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Hague and Almagro to discuss Falklands’ flagged vessels restrictions on Friday
Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague and Uruguay’s Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro will discuss the Falklands/Malvinas flagged vessels issue on Friday according to a release from the British embassy in Montevideo Read full article
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Dec 22nd, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukXktCut_C4
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@ 3 as usual, your links don't work.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0che barilo dont bother.....the las O is a big thin zero that my chinese computer doesnt have (I have: o, O, or 0, not the other zero)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a nice guy this one, I like him
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Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is very clear that Falkland Islands are Argentinian. Studying a little of history and geography, it´s enough to realize of that. Of course, in the world some countries believe that have good reasons to steal territories (England) but really only have the military power to impose their interests.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the world know this true, including the england people.
The First English Invasion of 1806, in which British troops occupied the city of Buenos Aires, capital of the Virreinato del Río de la Plata, to be due 45 days later by an army from Montevideo led by Santiago de Liniers, which is militias joined Buenos Aires, in a process known as the Reconquista.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Second British Invasion of the Río de la Plata, 1807, in which British troops, after taking Montevideo, were rejected when they tried to occupy Buenos Aires, by the defending forces, which consisted of regular troops and urban militia, composed of people who had armed and organized military during the course of invasions and the process is known in Argentina as the Defense.
www.vxv.com/video/XG65rYTtR7pi/el-bombero-que-ayudo-a-messi-y-mascherano.html
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are a lot of arguments in favour of Argentina. Please, don´t read only the version provided by England if you want to know the true. I think that is not necessary to write here all these arguments. I invite all the people to do an impartial analysis.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It´s clear that England has an important military force, but it is not enough to have the reason.
#7 & #10:
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is very clear that the Falkland Islands are British. Studying a little of history and geography is enough to realise that. Of course, in the world some countries believe that they have good reasons to try to steal territories (Argentina), but unfortunately don't have the military power to impose their interests.
All the world know this is true, including the Argentinian people.
There are a lot of arguments in favour of the United Kingdom. Please, don't read only the version provided by Argentina if you want to know the truth. I think that is not necessary to write all these arguments here. I invite all people to do an impartial analysis.
It's clear that Argentina is closer to the Falkland Islands than the United Kingdom, but this is not a good enough reason.
An impartial ananlysis shows Argentina to be in the wrong too :-)
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British are their because you Argentina illegally and shamefully,
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Invaded a tiny isolated unarmed peaceful, little innocent island,
Without any provocation or malice from the islanders,
Argentina is thus directly guilty for the deaths of innocent people,
We are not bias,
If you had not invaded
We would not be their now
Savvy.
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11 Crackpot: Could you please include a link to historical references that make, according to Britain, the Falkland Islands are British?
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0As everybody can see in the last comments, it is very difficult to get an impartial analysis. But, there is something that you need to know: Sooner or later the truth will prevail, all the world know that Falkland Islands are Argentinian
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0#14
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't need to provide any historical references to prove that the Falkland Islands are British. The current status quo is that: 1) they ARE administered by the United Kingdom, 2) they ARE universally recognised as a British Overseas Territory (by EVERYONE, except Argentina), and 3) the current inhabitants (the ONLY people who can be considered as the indigenous population) have decided that this is the way they want things to stay (and the UN recognises that right to self-determination).
So, it is up to you and Argentina to provide some good reasons (with sufficient evidence to back them up) for them to stop being British and to convince the inhabitants that they have a better alternative. Otherwise, things are going to stay just as they are. Just using the argument that they are closer to Argentina and quoting a few vague historical anecdotes (the veracity of which has long been lost in the mists of time, for the most part) will not suffice, especially if the Islanders aren't taken into account.
And before you try to argue the point, everyone (except Argentina) does recognise the FI as a British Overseas Territory. Just saying that some countries think that Argentina has a valid claim, or that the UK and Argentina should sit down and talk, does not mean that they don't recognise the current status of the islands.
The current status was imposed using the military force, but without valid arguments. Therefore, the explanation of this status doesn´t give any arguments in favour of UK. Please note that in a lot of cases the country who win a war has more power to tell its partial history, than the one who lost the war. However, a good thing is that taking into a account the weakness of the argumements of the UK there are a lot of people (and increasingly) around the world that don´t believe its partial version of the story.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0#17
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The current status was certainly restored using military force (with the defeat of the Argentine invasion in 1982), but it wasn't imposed by military force. Let's not forget that BA send a milatry garrison to the islands in 1832, so that could also be seen as using miltary force to influence the status of the islands.
As I said, the UK does not need to back up it's arguments, because at the moment the islands are British and have been so for a very long time (that in itself is a very strong argument) and the only inhabitants wish to remain British (which is an even stronger argument). The onus is on Argentina to try to persuade the Islanders that they would be better off as a colony of Argentina rather than a self-governing BOT. That's not going to happen, because it's really not a very attractive proposal, especially with Argentina's recent history and the current nut-job Argentina has as a president. The ONLY likely outcomes are either 1) maintaining the status quo (ie staying as a BOT) or 2) full independence for the Falkland Islands. The latter option might provide Argentina with some salvaged pride (by ridding the South Atlantic of the evil imperialist British), but I don't imagine that the British miltary would be leaving in a hurry, as the Falkland Islanders would almost certainly want them to stay until Argentina was more stable and less aggressive.
Crackpot: I could make it more simple :
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0-1520. Esteban Gomez, with the ship “San Antonio” of the Spanish expedition of Magellan, discovered the islands on his way back to Spain.
As a result of this discovery, they begin to appear on maps of the times: Pedro Reinel map (1522-1523), Diego Rivera (1526-1527 and 1529), Hilaire de Santa Cruz (1541), Sebastian Cabot (1544); Diego Gutierrez (1561), Bartholomew Olivos (1562), and so on.
Since that time included the islands under the jurisdiction of Spain, of the Virreinato del Río de la Plata and Argentina after spending more than 30 governors until the last were:
- Luis Vernet from the June 10, 1829 until September 10, 1832.
- More Marine Colonel José Maia Pinedo from the September 30, 1832 to January 3, 1833 (British encroachment).
and up to January 3, 1833 that appeared in the harbor a warship British flag, the “Clio”, led by John James Onslow. The mission of J. M. Pinedo therm. The defense was impossible. Transferring the existing troops, leaving the ground hoisted the Argentine flag in the care of:
- John Simon, whom he appointed Political and Military Commander Islands until he was killed days later.
From then on, they spent 149 years and nine months of diplomatic claims until April 2, 1982. On 7 April of that year with the appointment of Brigadier General Mario Benjamin Menendez, as Military Governor of the National Territory Islas Malvinas, begins in the archipelago's second season Argentine Government and Administration, we already know, lasted very short time.
But history is still being formed, one day, without a war, the Islas Malvinas will return to its true owners, the Argentine people.
Regarding the native of the Islas Malvinas, here are considered native to Argentina.
#19
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, all of those historical anecdotes (I won't call them facts, because many of them are fallacies) are totally irrelevant, because they are completely trumped by 1) 180 years of continunous administration and 2) the self-determination of the islanders.
I think it's also a very arrogant attitude to say that the Islanders are considered native to Argentina, because they certainly don't think they are and nobody outside of Argentina does either.
I notice that you also conveniently omit the point that the first person to set foot on the islands was in fact British.
I would like you to tell me under what conditions you think the islands will ever be transferred to Argentina, because I really cannot see any situation where that might happen. Just sitting on your arse and saying that one day it will happen doesn't seem like a very good strategy to me.
British posters, specially that Beef person, have said time and again that all those restrictions on FI vessels were for show. Why, then, are the UK embassy's personnel meeting with UY FM people - is it because Beef was wrong, or is it because they have way too many times on their hands?
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@22 It is the usual diplomatic response. Argentina are spending a lot of time making threatening noises towards the Falkland Islanders and the British are responding to reassure everyone that they will defend them.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0About time we countered Argentina's lies.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19ElCuraF,
Yes please, tell us all just how you intend to get your paws on the Falklands if you won't go to the ICJ & you won't go to war?
And you are not the true owners, we are.
@ElaineB
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The article mentions a future meeting between Hague and Almagro -- their respective countries' foremost foreign relations officials. I am admittedly not knowledgeable about political protocols, but it still seems to me the UK response to Argentina's announcements is too intense to be about protocols alone. Seems to me the UK wants to break support for Argentina's actions by pressuring the front's weakest link: Uruguay.
@#17: From the historical sources, there were several verifiable British diplomatic protests before the unilateral installment of the BsA military garrison, which is a valid argument in itself for the 1833 actions of the British government
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then of course there is the prior British history of the Falkland Islands and British Treaty agreements with Spain which is also a valid argument, even if one disagrees and considers another superior as a starting position, i.e. the official Argentine historical interpretation and position, which again has its own flaws and tenuous logic just like the British in this respect of historical argument
One argument strongly in favor of the British position is the Argentine ratification of the 1850 Convention of Settlement:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement
which settled existing differences and restored perfect friendship between Argentina and Britain by formal bilateral treaty.
Another argument is the UN Treaty and its Charter Articles 73 and 74 and their applicability to the Falkland Islanders declared in resolutions 1514(XV) and 2065(XX) and also the inclusion of the Falkland Islands as a non-self-governing-territory on the List of UN Decolonization Committee in accordance with resolution 1654(XVI).
Another is Argentina tried to conquer the Falklands in 1982 and failed and Britain retained sovereignty under the legal principle of Uti possidetis and British Territorial Integrity and National Unity protected by UN Treaty. Any disputes thereof are properly heard by the UN international Court of Justice
It is absolutely clear that the Falklands are not Argentinean.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0A well organized society has developed there, they are free and as any intelligent human being would do, they do not want to have nothing to do with Argentina.
If Argentines want to make their point saying that the islands are their's because they are near to Argentina, then why shouldn't Uruguay be a part of Argentina? And Brazil? It is clear that that's the way in which the Argentine mind works, because they are not only trying to steal the Falklands from the people that live there since very long ago, but they are also constantly bullying my own country, Uruguay. It is very sad and a shaming what our pathetic President and Foreign Affairs Minister are doing, they should think about what's best for their own people and stop working for CFK, who's constantly undermining Uruguay's rights.
The Falklands belong to the Falklanders, and they've made it very clear that they do not want to be a part of Agentina -period.
@26 “then why shouldn't Uruguay be a part of Argentina?”
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of Argentines treat it as just a province of Argentina. They laugh about it being a separate country as if they are just indulging the Uruguayans. Though I only heard this attitude in Buenos Aires, not anywhere else in Argentina.
15 johnfarrel2050
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can there be an impartial analysis? This is our home, not some dry academic exercise.
And we really really don't want you. Personally, I couldn't care less what happened in 1833. It doesn't help.
The dinosaur is still here.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/20/rajoy-announces-to-spain-deep-spending-cuts-and-tax-breaks-for-companies
shameful
29 Asdrúbal el Bello
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have anything else to say or is that it?
perhaps the real truth lays in the small print,
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but argentinas ambitions for its very own empire, will never even get started,
as their is one country that stands in her way,to deluded empire status, and that is Great britain,
dream on boys your doing a great job [TALKING]
27 she heard in on Corrientes looking for a book lol shes dreaming again little pobrecita
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you worry, Argentina. Your financial problems will soon be over. Because you'll all be DEAD. and the same will apply to your cowardly supporters.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How's about you all think back about 500 years and decide how many times England/Britain/the UK lost.
You are all going to DIE. Then we can repopulate South America with proper British people. Then we and the Americans can crush the Central American Spanish filth between us.
25@ Words of a real patriot, Domingo....Don't accept be bullied by the Argentine Gvt.. You must look for your own prosperity and freedom to choose your friends to trade with.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do the same in Chile, were the FI flagged vessels are welcomed as well as any other flagged vessels.
The Mercosur is a bunch of hungry wolves from Argentine and Brazilian Gvt. trying to eat the smaller countries as Uruguay and Paraguay pressuring them to ban what they decide without concern what it can mean for the others smaller partners (and now trying to include Mr. Huguito into the club...).
The imperialist in Latam are the Argentines trying to take what they can (Chilean patagonia from Rio Negro to the South, the Chaco from Paraguay and Bolivia, etc. and now the Falklands Islands too).
33 Conqueror
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like a plan to me if the Argies make the first agressive move, which they will not.
Even they are not that stupid despite the evidence to the contrary shown on MercoPress by the Argie Bloggers.
@32O'gara,
Dec 24th, 2011 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0She makes a lot more sense than you do, Rice field.
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner,
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be suggesting,
If she can get the back up of all s/a countries to get rid of the brits,
Then that, the stumbling bock to our future empire, is thus removed,
And the process starts,
First , Uruguay’s, cannot be trusted, wavered to the British, she will come under argentine protection, for her own good,
2nd, Chile she keeps infringing our borders, and thus entrust, worthy, we will take her next .
3rd, Paraguay, she has no sea view, we will take her, as an excuse to give her prosperity to the sea .
4th Bolivia, never did like her,
5th Peru, to comfortable
6th Ecuador, to small to look after herself,
7th,columbia to corrupt, under our wing she will feel better .
8th Venezuela, all those islands of her coast, were ours first,
So its only fair,
9th Guyana , suriname, and that evil French out post, French Guiana
10th and not least, the golden chalice, Brazil,
Then all south America will belong to Argentina, long live the plastic rebellion
[SSA] [ST Helens] Antarctica,
[][ a dream, perhaps, deluded perhaps, even stupid and childish,
But if CFK gets her way, anything can happen,
If you don’t like this, don’t complain the the messenger,
Go and see your future self imposed deluded obsessed queen of Argentina .
Just a dreamy fictional thought .
Merry xmas.
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