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The Independent: “Time to talk about the Falklands”
In an Opinion piece, “Time to talk about the Falklands”, The Independent suggests the time might have come to defuse the situation in the South Atlantic and take up last year’s offer from US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to broker between Britain and Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesyes!! I think so It is Time to talk about the Malvinas Islands!! so clear!!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should one wish to talk with the Argentines? Their only acceptable solution is Argentinian control of the islands, that is not negotiating.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is an OPINION piece. One person's opinion, that's all. The Independent has a lot of opinion pieces and often contradictory in the same edition. It gives a variety of views and allows the readers to form their own opinion. I prefer that kind of reporting.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot see there is anything to discuss. TFI's want to remain as they are. The British will uphold their right to remain as they are. Argentina wants to grab the islands and their resources. Nothing to discuss. Everything stays the same.
The situation should be defused by nations adhering to international law & fulfilling their solemn obligations to the Falkland Islanders
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders & Great Britain should negotiate that Argentina takes its claims to the UN International Court of Justice, since past negotiations failed due to their military aggression. Argentina should accept
Argentines & the World should take serious note that it is because of past Argentine aggression & ongoing intimidation & threats of future 'punishment' that the Falkland Islanders chose to exercise their right under UN Charter Article 73 to instruct the British Government to abstain from further negotiations
The fact is that the systematic political & economic persecution of the Falkland Islanders due to their status as a regional ethnic minority is unlawful & the Falkland Islanders are protected in law by the Rome Statute of the ICC, against which all MERCOSUR politicians, officials & public & private citizens are indictable
Furthermore acts of repression against the Falkland Islanders are also explicitly forbidden & unlawful by UN Treaty Charter Articles 2, 73, 74 & resolution 1514XV). WTO agreements & UNCLOS also prohibit extra-legal bans
The shameful argument that Argentina has made - & MERCOSUR members have accepted - is that Argentina should be allowed to conduct retribution against the current day population of the the Falkland Islands for the acts of past British governments
This is because the Falkland Islanders have been made into a Scapegoat through malicious stereotyping by successive Argentine Executives & national policy; the nature of which is most unpleasant, prejudiced & bigoted
It is a sad day for international democracy & rule of law that the Falkland Islanders can be accused of crimes & be subject to extra-judicial punishment at the behest of politicians following populist agendas
It is the acceptance of the same perverse argument that led to the genocide of countless innocents
And in this moment, the kelpers are making friends
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/20/rajoy-announces-to-spain-deep-spending-cuts-and-tax-breaks-for-companies
Nothing to talk about - damn left wing rag!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Lan cuts the air link talks will begin quite quickly.In July when its horrible and cold and wet and they cant go anywhere the planters will begin to think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, The Independent. A truly unremarkable newspaper, only trailing behind The Guardian and New Statesman in it's pursuit of idiocy and ignorance.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who could disagree Miguel but its close to the city and contrary to what the poor clown lord ? says its certainly not left wing.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What it shows is negotiaqtions on the future of the Malvinas will begin 2012.Argentina needs to lay down strict criteria and under no circunstances must allow any contact bewtween the mainland and the islands until agreement is reached.
As the IRA have shown here when their finances are threatened the city will sit down and talk quickly.
Perhaps the “Independent” should be renamed “Independent but only if that's OK with you”.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I personally can't see negotiations happening. Old Turkey Neck has poisoned any goodwill that might have existed between UK and Argentina. Should these matters lead to another War, then that would be unfortunate and desperately sad. But hey, its a matter of principle in that UK citizens and UK interests must be defended. Makes a nice change from defending foreign citizens and US interests around the World.
10Seriously you cant defend your own poor citizens dying of the cold.Scotland is leaving,you havent a friend left in Europe The poor are robbing copper even off the war memorials and the economys completely f...ed.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Goodwill are you joking there is no goodwill but neccesity is what the City works on and thats your government as shown time and again
@11 O gara (#) not a friend in Europe ? How come the Germans have come crawling back (Despite the veto, and the denial of extra funds from the UK for a bail out fund), they've snubbed the French, in a n effort to retain the strong links to the UK. As for the Scotland issue, it is not everyone in Scotland who wants to leave the union, so its not broken yet. And what happened to Argentina a few years back? Economic crisis, defaulting on their debts. And are they in the pan now ? No. If the Argies can do it, then we can. We've never had to default on our debts. 'When there is a will, there is a way', unless your Argentinian that is.....
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/22/young-europeans-emigrate-argentina-jobs?newsfeed=true
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thor join the rush before its too late come and have a good life in a beautiful country where we live well with good food malbec and sun your neighbours are coming but like the planters aprenda Español
It would be a Very short talk as the Falkland Islanders wish to remain a British Overseas territory and not an argentine suburb!!!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
You poor innocent when did planters ever count.In Hong Kong????????????
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O'gara for someone that claims to be irish and unable to spell his own irish name with the correct grammar, and your poor understanding of politics and current issues facing all nations not just the UK, you sure are a dumb idiot argentina irish wannabe.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do realise that if scotland left the UK we would still retain the soveriegn use of the military bases there and still be responsible for scotlands defense. Not only that we would save Billions of pounds that is annaully given by england to scotland each year, so any split in the union would actually be more benefical to england and will actually leave scotland facing a very bleak economic future. Scotland does not have the manufacturing or industrial resource to stand alone in the world. Not only that the talk of scottish independence has been going on for 5-6 years now and they are still no closer. The SNP are like the argentine government, they simply use the call for independence in the same way argentina uses the claim for the falklands, just to distract from internal issues the party is facing and boost its opinion polls. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh an why the hell would any brit with a brain cell go to work in argentina when the peso is woth only around 0.20 cent (USD) when the pound is worth around 1.50 pounds per USD dollar. Oh i forgot, its EU and britians secret invasion force thats invading argentina lol. Besides they will soon go back to the UK when they release the bubble is about to burst which i predict to be either late 2012 or ealy half of 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KcRl1p2waM
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 016. Pay no attention to Ogara, he lives in the world of Braveheart and Michel Collins. The only way he knows Europe and UK is through the movies.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O'G is such a strange persona to create though I find it very puzzling. I guess it is because he thinks the Irish hate the Brits like the RGs? That's probably where it started now it is hard to give up (except for the other aliases he has on this board of course)?
35% Inflation and 0-3% growth predicted in Arg for 2012 and almost U$ 1 Billion of reserves gone supporting the peso in the last few days. They don't have much time now. It is also estimated electricity rates are going to increase 300% in Jan for most users so I bet there will be a lot less posting next year.
How can anyone expect the British to sit down and talk ,when they act like bullying school kids...
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 O gaga (the IRA Paid Idiot)
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the IRA have shown here when their finances are threatened the city will sit down and talk quickly.
----------You just can't stop can you prat. Very pro IRA aren't you. I bet your sorry the violence has almost stopped. You liked watching the Children and innocent people being blown to bits didn't you Wa#ker?
Shut the f### up with your idiotic comments. Like you they have no substance and thought process behind them.
Go back to working in a bar or whatever it is you do for living. Drugs by the sounds of your posts.
Once the USA cash cow dried up and they shot themselves in the foot with Bloody Friday ,Inniskillin and Omargh bombings the ira were a spent force
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/peace-rally-held-after-pc-murder-15139013.html
I really thought the Murdoch group was in trouble after the phonetapping scandal but it appears teaboy and yankeeboy are still sun readers their ignorance of anything but big tits.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankee you poor imbecile the central bank due to the unprecedented demand for PESOS ACTUALLY INCREASED ITS RESERVES BY A BILLION DOLLARS THIS.WEEK BOLUDO.
Poor old teaboy still living in cloud cuckooland.even the head of the English civil service admitted today the UK was probably going to dissolve.
LOLing over that last comment.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuevo récord del Banco Central: compró 413 millones de dólares
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Headline in every major RG newspaper today.
Do a search before you make yourself look even more idiotic.
Hillary Clinton , is just after fame, the fact is, she is intitled to her opinion,
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but just like most hypercrits, she would see the falklands return to argentina,
but not parts of the states, to their rightfull owners,
sadly she does not talk for the great americans, just a sidekick to an anti british president, who is quite happy to have british help, when it suits him,
still, when he gets kicked out next year, things will return to normal,
and by the way, despite this ladys opinion, the falklands will remain british.
It is very clear that Falkland Islands are Argentinian. Studying a little of history and geography, is enough to realize of that. Of course, in the world some countries believe that have good reasons to steal territories (England) but really only have the military power to impose their interests.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the world know this true, including the england people.
And if you think the article from the 'Independent' was bad you should read what the British 'Daily Mail' has published today.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077813/Falkland-Islands-Prince-Harry-captured-600-soldiers-killed--imagined-Dominic-Sandbrook.html
Like I said before - Great Britain is a memory now - your culture, your sense of identity, your pride - all sacrificed upon the Altar of Multiculturalism and political correctness.
We know the argies view on multiculturalism .... Only 8 % of the population have indigenous DNA...
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankee when you are in a hole stop digging.You are of course correct even if you dont understand why.The Banco central did buy dollars because there was such demand for pesos.The reserves are now back over 46 billion.so liitle boy you have it arseways the dollars are flooding back into the country.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another poor misinformed fool is nightingale.The Provisional IRA did the deal with Dublin and London and its former head Martin Mcguiness is now deputy first minister of the North Of Ireland.They had nothing to so with OMAGH try to improve your spelling and everything to do with the GOOD FRIDAY agreement if that was the friday at the back of the little pea brain.
Livin indeed i am delighted the violence came to an end.It would never have started if your colonialist overlords could have kept themselves and their planters in their own country.The evil empire has caused mayhem for centuries just as it continues to do in the South Atlantic but i dont think for too much longer
It´s impossible to talk about political correctness taking into account that England stole a lot of territories (not only the Falkland Islands).
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering that Argentian is a land stolen from the original owners ;)
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Banco central did buy dollars because there was such demand for pesos.”
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There can't be both a demand for U$ and pesos at the same time idiot. Do you know nothing of economics?
Didn't BCRA “borrow” ( steal) about 2B from Anses (again) this month?
The list of territories stole by UK is too long to be included here. The Falkland Islands is only a little example
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hillary is a parasite criminal of the first order. She shares the same rapacious Socialist view of the world as CFK. Falklands beware, she is your enemy not your friend
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 I didnt mention the Good friday agreement you dafty .I mentioned the Bloody Friday bombing... All irish citizens will remember them.. plus McGuiness selling out the terrorist and coming under the wing of the British is hardly an ira victory
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2132219.stm
The opinion that the Falkland Island were stolen by UK is not only the opinion of Argentinian people. A lot of people around the world think that. In addition you can see that a lot of countries agree with this position. With an impartial view you could conclude that the arguments of UK are very weak
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36:
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't seem to get the point. The UK doesn't need to argue anything, because they already administer the FI and that is the way things will stay unless Argentina comes up with an alternative that is acceptable to the Islanders.
And, who exactly (outside of Argentina) is it who thinks that the UK stole the islands? A few sensible examples please.
@37 Is it Ignorance? Or you´re pretending to be a fool boy?
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No other countries care who owns the islands .. so that arguement is pointless
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#38:
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look, the situation is like this. The Falkland Islands ARE currently a British Overseas Territory. That cannot be argued.
Argentina WANT them to become part of Argentina.
So, if we leave things as they are, then the Islands will continue to be a BOT. If Argentina is to change the status quo, then it is they who need to provide the Islanders with a viable alternative.
So, come on! Start pitching your case to the Islanders. What is it that you have to offer that is so much better than their current way of life?
It ain't going to happen, is it! The British flag will continue to fly over the islands and you'll just have to get used to it.
39 Seems Mercosur does which is upsetting a lot of people,seems like most countries in the UN do as they vote every year on it which the city to its eternal shame ignores.Seems like all of the Americas do as well.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys dont have many friends do you.
Yankee have you no shame after being shown up as a complete moron you return so quickly
# 7' Oh Gara! You ill-informed twit:
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Lan cuts the air link talks will begin quite quickly.In July when its horrible and cold and wet and they cant go anywhere the planters will begin to think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LAN is only one of three air links and Queen Botox may stop it but she won't get any where near the other two.
Why does it seem that people are so intent on giving back the Falkland Islands. I am guessing that it is maining people who havent visited before, as they would not be saying that if they had. We want to remain British, Argentina have nothing to offer us, and please people, remember that we have lived without the LAN Airlink before and can do again. It will make travelling South America difficult and a bit more expensive, but if we have been able to do it before we can do it again. All we want is to get on with our lives peacefully in the knowledge that we are no longer under threat from our neighbours.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to talk about the Falklands!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right.
This is the British contribution. Hello, Argentine scumbags. The United Kingdom has the power to obliterate your so-called “country”. Why would we care any more about 40 million Argentines than we would care about 40 million slugs?
Actually, Argentines......slugs, what's the difference?
Sun-tzu
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chinese general & military strategist (400 BC)
“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi is among the greatest warriors of all time . Sun Tzu said, “Attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.” Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
Steady in conqueror you will hurt your back.you really shouldnt get so worked up its bad for your poor health dear boy.Tell us a little more about your ailment dear chap.its such a shame the NHS isnt able to care for you better it really shows in your anger.I think it would cheer you up no end if you relaxed a little
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XVrsJD24Qk Is this argentian during it boom time......jeeezus
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@o'gara
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really do not know how to read do you. Yes i know what the head of the civil service said. But saying it and it actually happening are 2 different things. I said it has been has been a issue that SNP have been bringing up for the last 5-6 years and they use if to improve their opinion ratings. Though I never denied it would happen as it may well do at some point. But i also did make it clear that the England would retain the military bases and provide defence for scotland, but at the same time England would be much better off as all the billions we give to scotland annually would stop and scotland would have to rely on its own economy which isn't very big since they have very small manufacturing and industrial sectors.
Do i read the SUN, yes i do its the most popular paper in britian and the phone tapping issue doesn't change the news reported from round the world, after all the phone tapping only applied to celebrities and politicians personal lives which is hardly news now is it. Oh but then i also read the observer and the finanical times - what to do read, of i forgot you can not read, you just like to see words that you would have preferred to have seen and not what i or others had actually written.
(#) 45 Amigo
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English Empire had passed by US & Germans at the beginning of 19th century, at the beginning of 20th century they already finished.
M.Gandhi(ci) had made collaboration with English notably while was
in South Africa, and few years on in India....but M.A.Cinnah did upside
down their all plans.In other words the English are beaten to intrigues.
G'day. Well the UK looks more like the Congo every day, I don't think they'll be obliterating anything but themselves.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Poms have been squatting on Argentinian territory for quite a long time.
Whether the Argentinians get their property back or not shouldn't depend on
the token population the English allowed to settle their in the meantime, anymore than it should depend on the sheep they sent there.
45 Marcos Alejandro
Dec 24th, 2011 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sun-tzu
Chinese general & military strategist (400 BC)
“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi
[did they know each other then]
[50]
Pot-kettle-black-
twit
.
I'm surprised that MercoPress included this newspaper artcle. Since being bought out by the Russians, the Independent has become increasingly left wing.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to talk about. The Islanders' rights are enshrined by the UN.
Nothing Argentina can do !
“Last year, Hillary Clinton suggested she broker talks between Britain and Argentina. We should take her up on the offer”
Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good point but a little too late, falling apart England very soon will beg Argentina to take the islands back.
The Falkland Island is one of the the lot of territories stolen by UK. All the people know that this country (UK) has a long list of territories stolen. Most of them for different reasons some day were returned. However UK didn´t returned the Falkland Islands yet. Because it is possible that some oil can be extracted there. All impartial people know that UK doesn´t have valid arguments to steal these territories. The arguments of UK are too weak to be believed. You need to know that there are a lot of people in several countries and continents that have realized of that since a long time ago.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 054 johnfarrel2050
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0John,
I agreed with you!! mate!! Merry Christmas!!!
Nothing to discuss - period !
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Sun-tzu
Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chinese general & military strategist (400 BC)”
You're quoting the wrong person you idiot.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just remember, malvinistas. We are happy with what we have.
You should be happy with your lot, too.
You have a big underdeveloped(mismanaged)country, fix it.
You don't need the Falklands, they are not your & you're not going to get them, ever.
No negotiations. There is nothing to discuss.♥
Isolde Merry Christmas-
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need to complete our territory whit the Malvinas Islands -
Hope you understand IS NOT BUSSINESS, IS PERSONAL AND NATIONAL CAUSE....even southamerica cause ;) ... and yes, I know, you´r not southamericans.... you are just part of most big islands from the north, loosing in the middle of the southatlantic by some pirates in 1833-
Hillary & Piñera think different: Is time to discuss ;) and Christmas is time to think and reflexion about it-
Hope you and all malvinenses speak about it on Christmas table tonight ;)
Regards-
50 john jones (#)
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to put Sheila, Ute and Dunny into your post. That way more people would believe your actually from Oz.
57 zethe, No I am not sassenach, that quote is from an American general.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
Yep
61 Marcos Alejandro if Gandhi defeated the British empire single handed,
Dec 24th, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then [eye Briton] beat the emerging Argentinean empire, all be myself,
Long live great Britain,
And may all Argies go to north Korea for re-mind training]
Your getting slower .
la la
I personally feel that the UK has to demonstrate it's capacity to act alone and support David Camerons view of defending the Falkland Islands. Not in terms of the islanders sovereignty but in regards to countering any act of aggression towards UK.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, G'day will do fine. Though drongo does come to mind when I see how touchy people seem to be on this page concerning where they do and do not come from. Who cares? All the same, coming from Australia I can see the difference with the Malvinas/Falklands. We actually made something of the place, a real nation.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't say that the whaling posts, loggers camps, pirate colonies etc which led to the little British relics of empire around the world were actually the start of nations. These bits and pieces have to accept that history has moved on and geopolitics will eventually see their absorption in the cultural areas in which they exist, regardless of what the English, the U.N. or the sheep say. This went for Hong Kong and the Panama Canal. It will also happen in Port Stanley, Belice and Gibraltar.
I'm all for the Islanders retaining their political and cultural autonomy - right or wrong, they are part of history. But history shows that just as the English snapped up the Islands without a real moral basis - they'll change hands again. The best thing the people there can do is come to terms with this, negotiate the best place possible in Argentina and learn Spanish as well as English. Otherwise the change will be very traumatic and they may well choose the boat back to England.
That’s good news for the aboriginals then
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you get on that boat and sail back to England,
They have a right to decide who they wish to associate with,
They have a right to rule them selves,
Just as you do .
.
There's always war - it's a great way to settle an argument. Puts it all to bed for another 30 years :)
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is about to become a territory of radioactive craters and ruins where the things that are left might be able watch their flesh melting off their bones. Let's do it before then end of 2011. No sense in hanging around. Attack is the best form of defence! Actually, extermination is the best form of defence.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 john jones,
Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a troll,
Have you ever been to the Falklands?
lf you are an Aussie, can you trace your ancestry in Australia back for 9 generations like the Falklanders can or are you descended from much later stock(i.e. a £10 immigrant)?or not even British at all.
You are in the same situation as the Falklanders & Argentines, a descendant of immigrants.
What right have you got to preach to anyone?
You may think its fun, but the Argentines lap up your brand of drivel.
We need support from British Commonwealth citizens in our just cause.
We don't need trolls.
This is going to be a war of extermination, because make no mistake, if the Argentines ever take over here we will be either killed or deported if we refuse to become Argentines.
We are not Argentines.
We do not want to be Argentines.
We are ourselves.
Merry Xmas.♥
Now you're being a bit alarmist there. The thousands of Welsh speaking migrants who freely chose to move to Argentina's south not far from you in the nineteenth-century are still there, some still speaking Welsh. Perhaps you shouldn't preach to us about Argentina. Yes, you probably prefer living under the English flag, but please don't tell us it's life or death for you.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we're all migrants if you go back far enough, even the Australian Aborigines, who did a fine job invading each others tribal lands and killing each other long before Europeans got here.
I wonder why he brought up the welsh, and in argentina,
Dec 25th, 2011 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0of course it was their right to imigrate, if things were bad at home, people went for many reasons, alas they are argentine now,,
but the welsh bit is of interest, as i keep telling mycousins and mother in law,
their AINT no welsh, proberbly all english, and befor that proberbly all british, but hey, thats another story for the history blogg,
but as far as this blogg is concern, only the truth and rights of justice , that is of concern, and the falkland have a right to say,who runs them,
and needs help from lawabiding countries, who care for the rights of the islanders,
[john] you are entitled to your opinion, but please dont give the impression that all argies are against them, this is untrue,
but if you are welsh, then shame on you, you should know better,
but if you are only of welsh decent, then thats all you are my friend,
a decendent, that makes you an argetine,
the fact is, they are right, and argentina is wrong, and if you back argentina, then you are also wrong,
so be it,
John Jones - you need to take another look at history - Argentina has no claim. Never had !! Don't believe the rubbish that the Argentine Embassy in Australia posts. Do some independent research and the truth becomes clear.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history.pdf
@69 johnjones,
Dec 25th, 2011 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not alarmist at all, just practical.
ln their 1982 invasion, they had a list of people who they considered“troublemakers”.
Some of these people were deported.
Troublemakers- meant people who wouldn't acept their illegal rule.
They had already murdered 30,000 of their own citizens.
What makes you think that they would have been any different here if the British had not liberated the Falklands?
Bringing the Welsh immigrants into it means nothing.
They freely emigrated to Argentina under their own will.
Many other nationalities did the same. However their land was not stolen from them, like the Argentines had plans for the Falklands.
l think you don't know too much about all this, you are just Pommy-bashing like some of our supposedly lrish malvinistas here.
lt is life or death for us. Would you trust a nation to justly rule you that killed its own citizens, continually talks about “squatters”, “pirats”,“thieves”“stealing'their'resources” etc etc ad nauseum?
lts not a game, mate!
Theirs a knock at the door
Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s the big bad wolf
He threatens, he spits vile words
And gnashes his big sharp teeth,
If you let him in,
Then you have no complaints later, have you,
You have been warned,
Never ever trust a Wolf, in sheep’s clothing ??
It has a name, its called Argentina .
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List or no list the Argentines could have deported the whole population in 1982 quite easily but didn't. The example of the Welsh in Argentina shows that it's quite possible to coexist in that country without being ethnically cleansed or whatever.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most countries have stains on their history. Just think of the highland clearances in Scotland where 100,000 were deported to American cane fields and cotton farms as indentured labourers (practically slaves) to make way for sheep (them again!). And the Irish were lucky to escape the same fate, but far more than 30,000 of them were killed by Britain in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries - and all of them subjects of the King to a man.
Argentina had its territory wrongfully occupied back in 1833. This is not the fault of those living in the islands now, but they have to make the best of the situation now. Buenos Aires has every right to demand its territory back
@74johnjones,
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This gets better & better. l have found my own personal troll!.
You are so very mistaken amigo.
Let's demolish some of the utter crap that you are posting.
“List or no list, the Argentines could have deported the whole population in 1982, quite easily but didn't”
No mate, they were here only 74 days before they surrendered. Probably had a lot of other things on their minds, i.e. what were the Gurkhas going to do to them?
They thought that the British would just let these lslands go so they didn't want too much trouble until they consolidated themselves. lf they had started their reign of terror as soon as they got here they knew the British would come then. l ask you again, if they're capable of murdering 30,000 of their own citizens, what makes you think here would be any different?
Regretable as it was, the clearences in Scotland & lreland have sfa to do with our situation in the Falklands, troll. Just trying to put the British(?)in a bad light & so make the Argentines look good, troll.
“Argentina had it's ter wrongfully occupied in 1833”
Wrong, it was NEVER their territory.“
” BsAs have every right to demand their territory back“
See above,they have NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
Besides to give something”back”, the other party has to have owned it in the first place & they have never owned the Falklands.
What about the territory that they stole from Paraguay? Are they going to hand that back?
Hope that this clears up your misunderstandings.
Please feel free to reply♥
USA has good laws for illegal aliens, I hope Hilary demands from Argentina to deport the british illegal aliens back to UK as USA does to Mexicans. if she really means well she will demand equal treatment for all not just white people.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@76,
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps she could demand that the illegal aliens, like yourself, were deported back to Spain & ltaly and the land that you“thefted”is returned to the native peoples.
@76 So you think Clinton Junior should demand Argentina deport british illegal aliens back to UK. And how exactly do you think you wankers are going to achieve that? You have neither the capability nor the courage. Don't take my word for it. Just stand back and watch Buenos Aires turn into a radioactive crater. For a start.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Golly gumdrops - that got the galahs going! The experiences of the Irish and Scots have everything to do with this because they show that the British government hasn't been bettered by any state in South America when it come to slaughtering its own citizens. Of course it's not interesting to go on (or continue with England's very long list of misdemeanors) the point is - you're just as same as the Welsh in Southern Argentina, so no point bleating about what they're going to do to the islanders.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 074 days was plenty of time to deport them all, or murder them. Sorry, we're not buying your dire predictions about the future. As for whose land it is, well, just because the Islands weren't inhabited doesn't give another country the right to take them. There are plenty of islands around the UK populated by seagulls but we'd expect plenty of squawking from Downing Street if Guinea Bissau took possession of one of them. At the end of the day, the people in Port Stanley have to accept the fact that if they want to live under British rule they're just living in the wrong part of the world and, most importantly, the wrong century.
Merry Christmas.
#79 Mr john jones, a pleasure read a rational and balanced point of view.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merry Christmas.
@79johnjones,
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As l said before, johnny boy, you are a troll.
Shouldn't feed the trolls but l can't help myself.
l explained to you why the Argentines did not immediately begin their reign of terror but you chose to ignore it.
A typical Argentine tactic when they can't answer.
l don't care what you are“buying”
We don't “have to accept” anything.
We make our own choices & it's got nothing to do with you, the Argentines or anyone else.
Have you looked into the history of the Falklands & have you looked into Argentina's ridiculous “claims”? l would say not, as you don't mention them.
For example, what is the basis for their “claim” over South Georgia?
lt was unihabited when the British discovered it & NO Argentines have ever lived there. l would appreciate an answer on that one please.
Ask youself this, mate. lf they are SO SURE of the rightness of their claims then why do they not take their case to the ICJ?
Did you do any research about them stealing Paraguayan land?
Don't suppose so.
You keep bringing up the Scots,lrish & Welsh. Why?
l have friends amongst all of those nationalities & Dad's grandmother was Scottish.
Their histories have very little to do with our disagreement with Argentina. Are you trying to muddy the waters?
No, johnny, l'm sure now that you know little of our situation & you can stop the occerisms, l've known plenty of Australians & went to highschool in Australia & l've never heard anyone talk about “getting the galahs going” you silly bloody gang gang.
80 so_far (#)
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kangaroos loose in the top paddock with this one.
Yet another Troll.
John Jones
The Welsh BTW were lied to by the Rio de la Plata Government. They were led to believe they could have an area of land and form a separate country. Later the Argentines moved in and took it over.
So I'm not sure what your point is. The welsh have almost disappeared. The Welsh villages speak Spanish mostly and the welsh are melding into the local population. All I see is assimilation.
@82livin' in Argentina,
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0so_far sounds an awful lot likr sr Think to me.
either an understudy or........gasp, he wouldn't, would he?♥
Struuuuuuuuth!
Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I'm in trouble with the culture police. All right, no more Australianisms, Well, I was also hoping I might hear some new arguments or some real answers but it doesn't look like it. As I said before, since the Argentinians gave no signs of wishing to commit genocide in Port Stanley, there's no point trying to scare us with bunyip stories (oh no, there I go again - probably get transported for that) because we don't believe them.
Well if the Welsh have been in southern Argentina for a century and a half and are now starting to share the culture of those around them - it shows a shows that they were fairly culturally free and autonomous. In Australia migrant communities from Europe are practically assimilated by the second generation already. I wonder if England will be more English in 150 years than Chubut is Welsh now. Anyone saying yes? Very courageous.
Actually, looking at the history of England and that of Argentina (we could go on forever) there is no reason to think the Islanders can't get a good deal from Argentina. The longer they persist with insults and in believing they are still living in 1833 or 1982, the worse it will be for them. Oh dear. Looks like the Chileans have joined the ranks of the genocidal maniacs too, judging by the news
@84johnjones,
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously you have a closed mind about what you would like to see.
Well l can't help that but you are wrong. Doesn't the deaths of 30,000 people mean anything at all to you?
You say the Argentines would have left us alone.
Would you, personally trust an alien occupying government to do the right thing, knowing full well that they had murdered 30,000 of their own people?
lf so then you are very foolish indeed. On par with certain POWs who thought that the Japanese would be humane.
Have you got some sort of fixation about the Welsh in Patagonia?
Seems to be in every post of yours.
We don't want a good deal with Argentina, we just want them to go far away.
“Persist with insults” ha ha ha, the Argentines insult us far, far more than we do them.
Summing it all up:-
1) This land does not & never did belong to Argentina.
2) They cannot get over their defeat in 1982.
3) They refuse to go to the ICJ as their “claims”cannot be substansiated.
(read, Argentine lies).
4) At present & l say present time, they do not have the military capability to wage war, but that could easily change.
lt must be very frustrating for them, good, l want them to be frustrated.
So really, mate, you've got nothing constructive to say.
We are here & we're not moving & there's bugger all that you & your new friends can do about it.
Suck it up, baby.
We if someone's dad's grandmother was Scottish yet can forgive and forget what the British government did to the Scots (a lot more than 30,000 were killed or deported, then the people in Port Stanley can get on with life and start to accept what the 21st century has in store for them with good grace. No point hoping for another glorious war. It'll probably all end with a whimper not a bang. Learn from the Argentinian Welsh and live on for at least another 150 years!
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if England will be more English in 150 years than Chubut is Welsh now. Anyone saying yes? Very courageous.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0[I SAY YES]
And if im wrong, you can come back to me in 150 years and say so,
untill then, their british, and will remain british
untill they say otherwise.
@86johnjones,
Dec 28th, 2011 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0At Culloden in 1745, most of the government troops were Scottish.
Thats only one battle. lts not as black & white as you would like history to be.
The Scots raided northern England so many times that there is even a nursery rhyme that goes “hush little bairn, or the wild Scots will hear ye”
Bonnie Prince Charlie had many supporters in England.
Most of the rebellions in lreland were started & led by the English settlers there. Haven't you heard the phrase“more lrish than the lrish”?
Many of Britains military leaders were lrishmen.
l could go on, but can you see that it's more complicated than it looks?
But anyway, peace. & Happy New Year John.♥
Hope you're right briton. History? People can't even agree five minutes after a game of footy what happened. UK played factions in Scotland. Australians are ambivalent about UK and US foreign policy. It switched from one to the other after 1941 and Churchill's infamous plan to defend the UK first and then reconquer Australia from the Japanese if it came to that. Canberra ordered home the Aust division fighting in Egypt despite Churchill's shrieking. Since then the US only gets us involved in its misadventures.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking EAST towards Argentina? Not living on Pitcairn Island, Isolde? Hope there are no plans for a newly emerging nation there as well as the one in Port Stanl because Aust. has every intention of maintaining its rights. Most descendants of the Bounty mutineers left the tyranny of British rule on Pitcairn for tranquil Australian Norfolk Island. However, a party of Aust fishermen got drunk on Pitcairn while it was abandoned, leaving a pile of empty stubbies as a permanent token of our claim. Some now want to establish effective occupation. Projects include a women's prison - a penal colony is needed for the prime ministers, premiers, governors and governors general who are trying to impose political correctness. In some places it's a crime to boil a billy out bush, or even freely fish. What Victorian girls finishing school from hell produced these Rotties? Argentinian generals look good alongside them.
It's a joke Joyce. People shouldn't be scandalised just because someone that speaks English agrees with Argentina on this one. Not very interested in legal claims and counter claims. Since so many seem to think that power is all that matters, dreaming on about 1982 “glory” is a good point to start. Remember that the Malv/Falk are in a Hispanic hemisphere. A river always goes back to its old channel. I've never been to America. Have known Argentinians but haven't seen them for years. The Malv. never came up in conversation. I can make my own mind up. Happy NY
Not even allowed to pour sump oil on your fenceposts either, mate.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh the injustice of it all.
89 john jones (#)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope you're right Briton
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