MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“People must know full facts” about Argentina’s intentions in the Falklands
Many Members of Parliament and in the Lords, from all parties, are totally committed to standing up for the Falkland Islands and rebutting the actions of Argentina, according to Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell and Secretary of the Falkland Islands Group in Westminster. He added people must know the true facts and intentions behind Argentina’s actions. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesUnder the international legal principal of uti possidetis, Argentina lost all claim to the Falkland Islands, irrespective of past history, when they fought and lost the war in 1982.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is, quite simply, a cowardly, lying hypocrite. It is probably going to have to be taught another lesson.
But this time we need to start by destroying Buenos Aires. It is, after all, no more than a current-day Sodom and Gomorrah.
So... what are the facts of Argentina´s intentions?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only argument you have is that we lost the war?
You´re gonna have to try a little bit harder than that... c´mon!
Your lack of arguments is impresive....
The end of British piracy in the South Atlantic is beginning! :)
We can't let the UK illegal aliens theft Agentina's resources, isn't enought that we let them theft Libya's oil ?? I think we had enought of the piracy.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Wow Conqueror the pain is getting to you.Arent you able to satisfy the poor old lady any more.they say this is what make people so intolerant
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But heres a news item to cheer you up.Brasil at the end of 2011 will have surpassed England and the occupied territories as the sixth biggest economy in the World
Islanders have to understand that most important problem is not their self determination, is that they want to be self determinated with the britains, and thats`s something that people of southamerica will never allowed.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know what you realy think, but you are alone in your claims, all southamerican countries support argentinian position, because all southamericans hates british
Otherwise, you can forget a new war with argentina, its a childhood way to solve this problem. Besides, i dont think that england want to lose their (few) influences in southamerica.
The war only serves to gain a political position, thats why argentina its winning, yo are alone, geographical and political.
To end, the islanders are losing their chance to be part of this great and free continent. You can be part of southamerican culture, you can taste argentinian womens, argentinian wines, argentinian meat.
You have horrible womens, your life realy sucks, but if you wanted its ok, just take out the british troops from southamerica, that its annoying
@1 ''But this time we need to start by destroying Buenos Aires. It is, after all, no more than a current-day Sodom and Gomorrah.''
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All talk, no bite. Keep yappin' little boy, keep yappin'.
Its really painful what you are saying, hahaha, no one around the world thinks in war, thats why countries around the world are not buying weapons like many decades ago, i repeat, england doesent want to lose their influences in southamerica.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just think about the international image of england, after a war with a country military helpless like argentina.
Dont be stupid
Who wants to fight over windy islands inhabited by a bunch of hillbillies ?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Ahh but Maradona, Argentina has already committed an act of war with its illegal economic and maritime blockade of the falklands. In breach of UN Convention of the seas. So the only reason we are not currently at war is because britain chooses not to respond yet, though all it would take would be one confrontation between a british naval vessel and an argentine Naval or coast gaurd vessel that ends in a shooting match. Off course we will only fire warning shots at first but who knows how the argentinian vessel respond. Though i suspect they may well fire upon our vessel, and end up with our vessel shooting back at them and sinking them.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do not care if your military is made of scrap metal and lacks supplies and ammunition, because once you start a war with us, rest assured we will kick your arses. What the rest of the world thinks is up to them, as we quite frankly won't care what they think, as long as we are acting within the rules and laws of war, then we are perfectly entitled to fight a war against an aggressive country threatening the freedom of people in any of our oversea's territories.
It is Argentina that is being aggressive here and leading the way to a new war between britain and argentina over the falklands. So if you seriously believe there will not be another war, then am sorry your wrong. As unfortunately another war is becoming more and more inevitable as a result of argentina increasingly aggressive acts and rhetoric.
Argentina has only one real course of action where war can be avoided, and that is to take their claim to the ICJ, but they refuse to do so and instead revert to aggressive hostile acts. So ask yourself, why your country refuses to goto the ICJ? As the answer to that will explain to you why argentina is in the wrong here.
You guys have made a hobby out of wind and piss, when you launch the Invasion wake me up.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's all this nonsense about wanting to start a war. That's the last thing anyone, including Britain, would want. Of course there are Bitish troops and equipment in the Falkland Islands, but that is purely to prevent another war from happening. It's Britain defending it's own territory, just like any country would do. Fortunately, it doesn't take too much to defend against the likes of Argentina, because as you say they are helpless (although I would use the term “hopeless”).
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If any war does start it, will be all Argentina's doing, because Britain has an entirely defensive position.
Haha no one, that islands really sucks, the islanders could have a better life, they can have acces to medicine, schools in argentina; i dont know, they are southamericans like us after all, i dont understand why they want to be british, they dont matter if they are right or wrong, much less now, with the economic situation. The islands are to far from england, i sure that young people in britain doesent know were the malvinas/falklands are.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope new generations can realice this, if not they are sentenced to have a lonely shitty life
LMAO Maradona! I think it is you who needs access to medicine and education. What were you trying to write? It doesn't even make sense. Admittedly English is clearly not your first language so well done for having a go but for God's sake, get someone to translate for you. This site is an English one. You need your English to be “ touched by the hand of God!” LOL! Like that other Argentine cheat.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 they do have access to schools and medicine, they have their own hospital. Oh and the quality of live on the islands is better than the quality of live in argentina. The islands have a much better economy and are not spending 100 pesos on just a few gorceries like you are in argentina due to 25% inflation. There is also no slums on the islands like their is in argentina, and none of the islanders children suffer from starvation like they do in argentina. They are not south americans either they are british because they choose to be british.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for - “they dont matter if they are right or wrong, much less now, with the economic situation.” Actually they have their own strong economy, and its going to grow too, when the oil starts to flow. how can they be right or wrong about their choice to be british, they choose to be british as per their right to do so under self determination set out in the UN Charter itself. Therefore whatever they choose is never wrong, but always right.
Live is only shitting, as you put it, in argentina. I mean come on what can you offer the islanders that they have not already got.
Ohh and by the way, atleast all the islanders homes have a water supply, i hear about 1/4 of the argentine population have no water supply and drink from barrels of rain water of river/stream waters. Yeah its really a much better live in argentina...NOT!!!
It is all “Plan B”; when things are getting too tough at home, keep the people´s mind on the Malvinas/Falklands.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHA, its the first time i can speak with folkers, its exciting!! HAHAHA, you perfectly understand what i want to say, you are alone, no one in south america supports. We dont have anything against your people, we are agaist british and their troops.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its your life, choose to live like you want, but without military support of england
HEY Britishers! Open up your ears!!!!! Argentina and the MercoSur dont mean to start any war!!!!!!!!!! Your nonsense plans to send a nuclear sub or develop a war-plan in the South is a sheer waste of time on your part.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me tell you one thing: the whole issue is about respecting the UN Resolutions to sit at a table and negotiate. You dont want to do it? Fine. Argentina will keep on claiming.
On a more broader perspective, I do believe that the matter of the Falklands/Malvinas is one that embarrasses that section of the international community who would like to see the UN work for at least once under unbiased terms. The POWER of the 5 at the security council remains undiminished. WHY IS BRITAIN SO WORRIED ABOUT A WAR? WHY NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT HOW TO COME UP WITH INGENIOUS VARIOUS PEACEFUL outcomes to a long-standing conflict that has always been blown up of all proportions?
BRITAIN should show the world ITS GRANDNESS, and that they are so much better than other powers in that they do want to lead a world where war is no longer a path to be followed to solve problems. A world where the power of weapons IS NOT ANY MORE THE DICTATING factor.
Face it: no matter how much halleyboo you kick up, Argentina will not ever go to war again over any other issue. SO, you should try a different way. Invite Argentina to hold real talks. Put an end to this issue. After all, both want the islands for economic, constructive and peaceful purposes. Or are you the British thinking of using those lands again to try your weapons systems and as your board for military training? I dont think so.
SIT AND TALK AND ESTABLISH A ROAD-MAP to peace, cooperation and constructive relations with Argentina and Latin America!!!!!!!!!
THIS is a far better way!!
Personally, I believe Britain has many links and has influenced many Argentininians for good. So within Argentina, we expect Britain to act make a way toward total peace in the region.
#12: “....they can have acces to medicine, ...”
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Argentinian cousins told me how in Argentinian public hosptials, cancer paients have been know to be given fake chemotherpy drugs. Patients got suspicious when they realised their hair wasn't falling out like they expected. Apparently, corrupt officials were intercepting the medicines, selling them to private hospitals, and replacing them totally inactive susbtances. I don't think you can get any lower than that. What a great public health system Argentina has!
#10 britards never learn do they? maybe next time around Argentine commando's will not wake you up at all, there is a say “once byten twice” shy but apparently in UK nobody knows it.. by the way our intentions in Islas Malvinas Argentina is the same as it was back in 1807 to unite Argentina, maybe british needs to be reminded but the rest of us remember from history books. www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SU9qUAkSg&feature=share
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotey: Good words men! i think that peace its posible, the folkers are southamericans, not like TEABOY2 said, he is a moron, dont listen him; the islands are to far from europe and are to close to our continent, its very sad his position
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Conqueror (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:56 am Report abuse “But this time we need to start by destroying Buenos Aires. It is, after all, no more than a current-day Sodom and Gomorrah.”
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From HMG Office of statistics 2011:
Street robberies in London: 265,000 (In 2011)
Wealth and Income: London. The difference between those residents of London on the lowest income and those at the top is now: 268. Which means that the wealthiest in London now have an income 268 times higher than the poorest.
IM TIRED TO FIGHT!! I will show what we can offer to you!!! something that yo dont have in your cold island. Falkers you are invited to join to our country! HAHAHAHA
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQklg_r7g4
22 Maradona: haha, beautiful Argentine women ..
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More rubbish from mateboy.
@14 They are not south americans either they are british because they choose to be british.
Rofl, this made my day. I mean, really. They are south americans just like everyone else. Even worse, they are seen as squatters, bennies, hillbillies, and don't even get me started on that.
A little geography may come in handy, Chocolatadaboy.
It sad you way of thinking, i m sure that not all the islanders or brithish think like you. The future will prove you that people can understand each other without a fight, thats something we learn with dictatorchips. And if you say that this video is rubbish its because your sad person, boring, cold and gaylord fucker...
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do apologise for the lack of response from my fellow Falkland Islanders. They must all be out enduring their miserable existences at the Boxing Day races and barbeques.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#24 I don't think USA allows for Mexicans to set their own colony in USA, I could be wrong but we will let you know if that changes, I don't think Argentina should allow for illegal aliens to set up their own colony neither, after all UK has no problem deporting nationals or a groups of gypsys, but that is just my humble opinion.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy Boxing Day Brits!
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monday 26 December 2011
“Britain loses spot as sixth-largest economy to Brazil”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8977834/Britain-loses-spot-as-sixth-largest-economy-to-Brazil.html
Hope everyone's seen the news!
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8965405/Belgrano-was-heading-to-the-Falklands-secret-papers-reveal.html
So Argentina has been lying for 30 years. At least the captain of the Belgrano had the grace and honesty to tell something of the truth. But not one Argentine politician or even one Argentine. Obviously part of the national 'character'. They've been lying for more than 200 years and don't know how to stop.
And now, world truism for the 21st century! How can you tell if an argie is lying? They are either writing, typing or their lips are moving.
Neither side wants a war, trouble is when tensions are increased they have a habit of starting themselves anyway.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN, EU or anybody else is not going to agree argentina can Anex the islands against the wishes of the islanders. The history is easy enough to prove. You do not have anything like to international support you think you do.
It is surprising that a country like Argentina which did have to struggle for its democratic rights, still finds it so easy to deny those rights to another people.
Yes i was reading that today is the boxing day races, its good to have something to distract your mind, specially when yo are in europe...
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think islanders are too afraid for his future, from my point of view all the things have solutions, even this one.
I m sure this will be solved by the peaceful way, the crisis always have been an oportunity.
My greetings to the southamerican islanders (with no offence)
Bye
Illegal War in 1982 ?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legal War in 1806 ?
31 Maradona
Dec 26th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'In Europe'?? What are you talking about? No-one here thinks they are in Europe.
We know we are in South America, so why would that cause offence?
You have some very bizarre ideas. We are very keen to have good links with South America. Your government is the only thing stopping that. It's a shame, but you only have yourselves to blame.
MONTY 69
Dec 26th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have very bizarre ideas??... you are the one who says that islanders are british, something realy bizarre.
Dont worry, if you are happy to belive that iam happy, hahaha.
@31 & 34 Of course all problems have solutions. Our solution to the Falklands issue is to turn argentina into a crater. Grow up, little boy. I assume you are a student and therefore 'gay'. Or as we proper people refer to you, 'queer'. See whether you can understand this, bumboy. The British Isles, home of the finest nation in the world, are located in the North Atlantic. “Europe” is a territory full of poofters from where your 'father' came. The Falkland Islands are in the South Atlantic, thereby proving that the Atlantic belongs to Britain. Although we allow some people who call themselves 'Americans' to sail around. Do you want to send your rowing boats out into the 'big water'? Before we sink them all and block up the River Plate.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To all the Argies:
Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ICJ
No try no win: Ah! I forgot, the Islanders come first anyway - SO YOU CANNOT WIN! Great isn't it?
Sabre-rattling and jingoism will get us nowhere - it's about time both Argentina and UK sat around the table for some serious talks - what must be considered though are the wishes of the Falkland Islanders, some of whom have been there for four or five generations.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#) 36 Amigo
Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can not anythings without US ! Greed isn't it ?
32 ed - 1806 does not qualify as a war, not even close.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#) 39 Amigo
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course,the recent Iraq-Afganistan operations were not as a war.
40 Compadre
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were conflicts. 1806 was an operation, no more.
(#) 41 Amigo
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 1914 British South Iraq invasion was the conflict, wasn't it ?
42 Compadre
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a campaign, part of the First World War (or Great War). You see the difference, its a question of scale.
(#) 43 Amigo
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What was the 1882 British Egypt invasion ?
Very clear and concise, Britain will defend the Falklanders right to decide there own future which does NOT INCLUDE argentina!!!
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So go gather other countries so called support for the Fairy land that is called malvinass it will not make any difference to the UK or the Falklands!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
(#) 45 Amigo
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who will protect Malvinas Penguins ?
Long Live Penguins
@46
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello eddie
I have been informed the Penguins wish to be British!!! and have appointed a Penguin Representative to press there case in the UN to be acknowledged as an indigeneous life!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Long Live the Falkland Penguin Republic.
44 ed Compadre
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The list of Wars,invasions, campaigns, conflicts, battles, - down to skirmishes, the British have been involved in is almost endless. My point here is not that 1806 did not happen, OF COURSE IT DID. My point is tell the truth about it, It actually turned out quite well for Argentina. But please do not try and pretend it was the battle of Stalingrad.
(#) 48 Amigo
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the English never know to make war
they know merely to invade, ( little combats)
look at your whole history as it was.
let's say it in technically
their strategy has been very simple
1- watch for opportunities
2- take behind their sea
3- attack on with limited powers
4- make intrigues
5- distract if they capture targeted areas
Well yes, and more, much more, as a small country the stratigies had to be cost effective, winning at great cost was not usually a option. The point is that was then, this is now, the world has changed, that is not what this issue is about.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether that may/maynot have been the case in the past is not really revelant now. That is not what the British are doing now, that is what Argentina is doing now. We know we recognise it very well.
Again PAST and PRESENT two different thimgs.
yep, he has a good point
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0people must know full facts , yeah mate, about britain invasion...
just tell me...if the islands were allways yours , why they offered to argentina a shared soverignity status over the malvinas in the middle 70's ?
c'mon boys , we're grown up , just addmit that you made a mistake :) just return the land, no falklander will change his way of life .
The British did try and reach an accomodiation with Argentina over this issue, several times.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Island were not allways British, but they were British FIRST, and LAST. It was nessecary to recover them a few times in between.
if the Falkland Islands are British, then go fishing and look for oil to the United Kingdom. they stole our land, now they steal the fish. We are not warriors, we are people of peace. do not want war, and we don't want you to steal us neither
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British did not steal anything, they were there long before argentina existed. Look at your own history.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know the story. the only reason why the UK has the Falklands, is because they usurped (colonized). I study history, you should study Geography or use a little logic and less weapons
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which history? There are two very different versions. Just look at both version then decide, the British do have a point here. The British will not use weapons unless they have to. 100 years ago maybe, now no.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0jajaj, very funny
Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0No not funny. Just the way it is.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you read the newspapers from other countries to know more about reality. anyway, if you love to belong to the UK, please go to England to live. Just in case, you are confused, England has nothing to do with America, is far, far away, in another continent.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am reading the newspapers from other countries, that is what I am doing here. I conclude that the South Atlantic has nothing to do with South America, is far far away, in another region.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems I know far more about your argument than you know about mine. You complain the British will not talk to you, but it is you who will not listen. Force seem to be the only language you understand.
The British are an Island race.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shetlands, Britain, Channel Islands, the Caribbean, Ascension, St. Helena, Tristan da Cunha, Falklands, South Georgia, South Sandwich etc, etc - of course we have something to do with America!
We are an Atlantic country.
Geographically, the Malvinas are a part of Patagonia, Argentina, as they are connected to America by a submarine plateau high. Did you know? Malvinas are not British territory, except that the British insist they are because “they found them”. We do not use force, in fact we are asking for dialogue for years . and the British respond “no”, and discuss the possibility of a belic conflict. That is what is called not to listen. that's what is called to use force.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 062 Cero
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are misunderstanding.
Britain does not want the Falkland Islands. All that Britain is doing is protecting Falkland Islanders and supporting us in forging our own future.
Britain rarely or never talks about who found the Falklands, because it isn't important. Neither is the 'submarine plateau'.
The important thing is that Falkland Islanders actually live here and have for many generations, and we don't want to be Argentine citizens. After everything you have done to us over the years, it seems very unlikely that we ever will.
There is no way that you can impose anything on us against our will as that would be colonialism, and that time is long gone.
Geographically, island of Trinadad is 6 miles from the coast Venezuela, but its not part of venezuela or south america, its the carribean. The issue is not goegraphy or geology it is geopolitical. The British respond no because the arguments of Argentina are not true.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British are (like it or not) an Atlantic Nation. Argentina may wish to find another way to treat with its neighbours. It is the Islanders you have to convince not us, we are just in this for the fight. They are your neighbours and they hate you! this is something you must answer for. When you can change this we can all move forward.
#62 - Geographically everywhere is connected to everywhere if you go deep enough!
Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0We tried talking in the 60's and 70's, but then you blew it in 1982!
You tried force in 1832 and 1982 - it's up to you whether you'll go for the hat trick :-)
It is not Argentina talking that is the problem, its Argentina listening that is the problem. It was not us that blew it in 1833 and 1982, it was you (look at the result).
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hat trick! have you heard of an English game called Football, look up Jef Hurst.
See, it doesn’t take the Argies long to change the subject,
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let be fair here,
As we approach the New Year, will it be seen as the year of the clever, the secretive
Quiet crafty professionals,
Or the year of the hyenas, the greedy big mouth self deluded wannabies,
Who it may well be deemed, push once to often and a bridge to far.
I hedge my bets gentlemen
Britain may well end up bruised and battered
But Argentina may very well never again raise her head above the canopy of the gutter
And may well be treated as a failed state for decades to come,
We may even over sea the break up of Argentina,
Who knows what the future holds,
But one things for certain,
You push once to far, and you wont be part of it .
““The reality is that Argentina has no legitimate claim on the Falkland Islands; they precipitated an illegal war in 1982 at which they were ejected from the Islands and we need to make sure that people know the full facts of this and that’s what we must do.” That's true, if this was different, then why is that Cristina de Kirchner is always talking about dialogue? This shitty government of CFK and her allies are a disgrace.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I, ve return!! XBARILOX, this shitty goverment of CFK and her allies (almost all southamerican countries: the continent were you live,), will not accept british troops around our coasts. Even chile is now starting to support argentina claim.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bye to all lonely folkers, have a good night.
Having read the truly freaky stuff hereabouts for the last few days..51,62.69, are just a few examples... I am firmly convinced that Argentinian 'homes for the mentally unstable' let all the nutters go home for the Christmas Hols......
Dec 27th, 2011 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0again the UK politicians making a storm inside a glass of water.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“they are Her Majesty’s territory”: it is FUNNY how the british rightwinger's philosophy can put self-determination, monarchy and imperialism all in the same place. I guess they must also be ok with Palestinian self-determination, no? or maybe ok with Scotland deciding if it wants to go on being a union with England?
Let's put things like they are ;) People must really know the facts...
Argentinian position is not the aggressive one, Argentinians are not the ones talking about war machines and military power all the time. in fact Argentina doesn't have important Armed Forces.
Argentina will go on PEACEFULLY and DIPLOMATICALLY claiming, nothing new, nothing to be surprised about, and this of course makes british position obsolete... British will go on setting up scandal.
I am prepared for more hilarious excited and soberb speeches from the conservative British Government.
71 Vermin
Dec 27th, 2011 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, a diplomatic solution by the Argies (who never invaded the Falklands in '82 (there are no Malvinas)), does this mean the ICJ?
If not your just pissing into the wind again.
71 fermin
Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0''Argentina will go on PEACEFULLY and DIPLOMATICALLY''.....what? Illegally blockading us?
You hypocrites make me feel a bit sick actually. You believe your own lies, and that's quite scary.
@71 fermin.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't Argentina announce plans to increase military spending by 50% last year? Doesn't sound too peaceful to me.
Nevertheless, we are all very happy for Argentina to continue CLAIMING peacefully and diplomatically. In the meantime, the UK will continue POSSESSING peacefully and diplomatically.
Well we have a new guy, Maradona, who really lowers the tone of our discussions.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a disgusting mysoginistic little pervert he is.
l really feel sorry for the Argentine women, having to put up with such people.
Not all of us, maradona, want to taste your women.
@17 Gotey,
What would you like to “negotiate”, Gotey?
A business deal, perhaps?
@62 Cero,
Same as your name, cero, de nada, no. comprende?
@65 Lord Ton,
They will try for a hat trick.
Won't they be ropable when they fail, yet again?
@71 Tell us, Vermin, is your pipsqueak 'country' not attempting, and failing, to blockade the Falklands in contravention of the UN Charter?
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you not illegally harassing and boarding Spanish vessels sailing between the Falklands and Montevideo?
Has your pipsqueak 'country' said that it will ban any companies/firms doing business with the Falklands?
“PEACEFULLY and DIPLOMATICALLY”? What sort of myopic ignoramus are you? How about we PEACEFULLY and DIPLOMATICALLY put a torpedo through the hull of any argie vessel we come across? How about we PEACEFULLY and DIPLOMATICALLY have a little misfire that results in 20 Tomahawk cruise missiles dropping on Buenos Aires?
Let's be straightforward, feckwit. Britain has been 'playing' this sort of game for centuries. Do you know how it all ends up? We win.
Stop lying to yourselves and others. We've already established that you mobsters having been lying about the Belgrano for 30 years. Just like you've been lying about the Falklands for 200 years.
30 years ago, you had a go. We gave you a little slap on the wrist. If you try again, it won't be a slap. It will be full on. The people of Britain will demand it.
ENGLISH GO HOME, YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE, INVADERS, USURPERS, THIEVES
Dec 27th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Cero I didn't realise you were a Mapuche. Its the Creols in south america you should be shouting at, not Brits in the South Atlantic. This was unhabited, unexplored and unclaimed when the Brits arrived.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“” People must know full facts “” about UK is insolvent.....!!
Dec 27th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PETER PRESTON, THE GUARDIAN, UK: “IT MAKES NO ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL SENSE TO HANG ON TO THE FALKLANDS, BUT NO ONE WILL FACE THE TRUTH”
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MORE: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
80 Cero
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because it says it in a newspaper, doesn't make it true.
the only truth is that you are not reasonable people who do not have arguments or want to hear the truth. good luck
Dec 27th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Methinks that this is the pot calling the kettle black.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know who is right in this dispute but it does seem a bit odd that there is a British island so far away from their homeland. What if there were a Argentinian, Brazilian or chinese island off the coast of scotland?
Dec 27th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In any case, blockades and such do not really work. We have been at odds with Cuba for over 50 years and the embargo doesn't amount to anything. The true way to solve this issue is for both nations to get to know each other. How many islanders have visited Argentina?
84 Livingthedream
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does America fancy giving back what does not belong to her, as of a claim by others?
The distant is irrelevant,
The Falklands people have a right to say who they wish to be, at this moment in time, they choose Great Britain,
And the Americans and others should respect the rights of the islanders,
America would not like it, if another country claimed part of hers, [am I right]
so many people thing is is imperialist or empire,
its nothing further from the truth,
Argentina wants the Americans to back her claim, but she has no legitimate claim, she demands that the islands be argentine, and the people submit themselves to argentine rule, against their wishes, does [you] think this is ok,]
At the end of the day, it does not matter what America thinks, as it will be decided by the British, and the Falklands islanders,
What say you .
@84Livingthe dream,
Dec 28th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know anything about all this, or have you been listening to Argentine propaganda?
Why does the US control the Virgin lslands?
They are much closer to Jamaica for example than the mainland US.
Distance is irrelevent. Does your country still control Guam?
lts much closer to the Philippines than to the US.
Perhaps you should give it to them?
Plenty of lslanders used to visit Argentina, whats that got to do with anything.
The Argentines lost in 1982 & they can't move on.
Their children are indoctrinated about the Falklands “belonging” to them.
Then of course, let us not forget the OIL!
Now that really riles them, knowing that they are not part of it.
Tough luck comrades♥
Why do we have Guam, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Texas, California? Because we stole it!
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the early 1800 the U.S beleved in the “Destany Manifesto” We have the “divine right” to lands in the Pacific.. The only problem was that Mexico was in the way. So… make war with Mexico steal 60% of their land.
Accident of history. Countries like argentina may be “all in one place”, but countries like GB, US and France have parts all over the world. This simply the result of events before any of us were born. And in history no one is innocent or they would not have survived untill to day.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question for us is how do we resolve them today. The wishes of their inhabitants today is a good place to start.
The proximity argument woul put Cuba is the US, Trinidad in Venezuala ect ect ad infernitem.
History is usually used when the present situation does not suit one party, then all kind of (alleged) historical reasons appear as to why the present should be changed. Usually involving force. Historically speaking this is a very well troden path, it should not be allowed in the modern world.
87 Livingthe dream
Dec 28th, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I should think that your tag will be changing shortly to Livingthe nightmare due to “the National Defense Authorization Act” which treats all US Citizens as 'terrorists' on the whim of a whole raft of government.
Not only does it suspend Habeas Corpus for anyone accused under the act, it allows the 'authorities' to send 'suspects to a Guantanamo Bay type of facility with no recourse to a lawyer, judge review, or ANY of the accepted safeguards in the Constitution.
I stopped travelling to the USA 25 years ago because I did not like the way things were going then, but now the lunatics are in charge of the asylum in a big way.
It is difficult to see how any American blogger on any site will be able to maintain a vestige of 'freedom' and comment of the 'human rights abuses' of any country, etc. given the new law.
You have my sincere sympathies, I would never have thought it possible.
@ 89 ChrisR I see you’ve been reading your European Left wing socialist newspapers.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United States is the greatest country in the world. We defend freedom and Democracy.
You people aren’t even allowed to have guns! We have the freedom to carry guns here.
The NDAA is just part of the war on terror and what you say is just socialist nonsense
“The United States is the greatest country in the world. We defend freedom and Democracy”
Dec 28th, 2011 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does this extend to the Falkland Islanders also (remember there is oil there now, before you answer).
90 Livingthedream
Dec 28th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, you are wrong.
Try 'The Daily Reckoning', one of America's finest contrarian finacial dailies.
You are an archetypal redneck: why bother checking facts when you can spout bullshit. Yes, we do have guns but not short barrelled pistols / revolvers. And we have control of their sale. But that does not stop the blacks from using illegal pistols to shoot each other, just like in the good ol' USA.
It is clear you have not read the new Law, or if you have you seem not to have understood what your goverment can use it for and against ALL its' citizens.
I suggest you talk to someone with a bit more knowledge than you presently possess about this travisty being perpetrated on you while “We defend freedom and Democracy” to use your words. This is EXACTLY what your legislature are banking on to bamboozle you all - numbnut thinking and 'God Bless America' hoohah.
@90 Livingthedream,
Dec 28th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately l have to agree with Chris, my American friend.
l, too have travelled extensively in the US & one of the things that was not there a few years ago, but now is, are internal roadblocks.
ln Arizona our car was stopped 3 times at what looked like an entrance to another country & we had to show passports etc.
We had to get out of our care for an inspection.
All this in the name of “the war on terror”.
Sure you have guns, for now.
The powers that be would dearly love to take them off you.
They can't, yet, as its in your constitution.
You should listen to one of your own comedians(dead now)called George Carlin.
That man spoke a lot of sense.
Chris is right, you American's rights are being slowly but surely taken away.
The common people may think that they are defending freedom & democracy but your upperclass is getting you into wars all over the world(& dragging us into them as well)
How many American soldiers have been killed in lraq? And for what?
lraq is worse now than when Saddam was terrorising it.
You should watch a film called Zeitgeist. lf true, it will open your eyes.
Happy New Year. Peace.♥
@90 Livingthedream: “We have the freedom to have guns here”
Dec 28th, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are plenty of reasons why the US is a great nation, but that really isn't one of them. To most people, you might as well be saying “we have the freedom to murder people”. I'm, sure you can do much better than that.
We all know that if push came to shove, the US would be Britain's staunchest ally if any altercation occurred between the UK and Argentina (or any other SA country for that matter). Let's not forget that both the US and UK are memebrs of NATO and any attack on one is considered an attack on the other (and NATO is far more important than any other miltary alliances that the US has). Even if Hilary Clinton does think that the UK and Argentina should talk a few things out (she's never said anything about supporting Argentina's claim), the US still recognises the Falkland Islands as UK territory.
besides the USA and Great britain cant afford to fall out [in the common sense of the word]
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0some in America may think the uk is finnished, that mainly because America still has ambitions in south america [does it not]
the USA has a very powerfull oil.ist lobby does it not,
and also a president that is very anti british,
but putting this argument to bed, name me, one country on the planet today, that would fight side by side with americans,
and not those who say it, then back out,
america should come of the fence, and back its greatest allie since ww1
rather than even contemplate the south Americans, whome im told, hate your guts,,
true or false, our comrads in afgan has stated time and time again, if they had a choice of whome to have by their sides, its the british,
great britain is the corner stone of democracy, and since we have reduced our military arround the world, just look at the bloody stated of it, it is more violent now then ever before in this century,
so lets not fall out, over some coward argie bloggers pretending to be yanks, just to upset the apple cart,
the british, will if we have to, [stand alone] with or without the Americans, [we would prefer some help][]
but either way, we willgo it alone,
[the main point]
the day great britain gets defeated, the yanks will rue the day they said [no] for without us, no one will help you guys, the world does not respect the Americans, [they fear them] and thats the different,
the british are greatly respected,
britain and America, as long as we are friends , thats ok,
end the friendship, and over 200 military establishments in the UK can go for a start,
peace my friend, and a happy new year,
http://britishreparations.org/commercial.php
Dec 29th, 2011 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Cero #96
Dec 29th, 2011 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do realise that much of britains history and what we did was the result of norman invasion in 1066. Oh and where is Normanday, its in France. So blame the French for making britain was it was in the past and for what britain did between 1900 and 1066. After all the normans taught us brits all about invading other lands and butchering the people and about dungeons (Prison Camps) and just about everything else that stupid petition is claiming. Perhaps you should have one for Spain for killing native indians literally wiping some tribes out competely, or how about one for when argentina did the same of for repatarations to the islanders for the damage to the islands and the islanders property, not to mention emotional distress they suffered in you 1982 illegal invasion.
If britain had not been invaded in 1066 we would not have been the country we are today and probably never had an empire either and would never have had the history or committed any such acts they are wanting reparation for. In fact most of todays problems stem from the pope order the crusades that occured between 1095 and 1291. After all thats were the hatred towards the west stems from and why the islamist still call it a holy war, againts the christains and catholic nations. So why not ask the Catholic church for repatarations instead since they started it all off.
Teaboy2,
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf the Normans hadn't invaded England in 1066, we would probably now be part of Scandinavia.
Perish the thought, we would have sr Think as a fellow citizen:).
More relevant to Cero is the Papal bull of 1492 and subsiquent treaty of Tordisilla, the former claimed by Argentina (observeratorio parlimentario-cueston malvinas) to be “the international law of the time”. Wonder how the native population feel about that.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The treaty of tordisilla would have given Spain the Falklands (if it applied of course) but South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands way inside Portuguese territory. Guess some one didn't look at the map properly.
@98 Thank God for the Normans then lol
Dec 29th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Charley Harrington
Dec 29th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
another argie indocrinated brainwashed alex
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PEOPLE MUST KNOW ABOUT THE OMITIONS ALSO.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If people must know full facts about argentina's intentions, he should tell also the whole international comunity where our country is speaking, that none resolution affirms that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, all the resolutions only call the two parts of the conflict to find a negotiated solution that's all. He should tell also the whole world that in 1985, the u. k. tried twice to include references about self determination, and the international comunity voted by a landslide against it, he should tell too that the u. k. and the islanders have always rejected to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main issue, ignoring the resolutions from the decolonization committee, which call the two parts to find a negotiated and peaceful solution. Anyway i dont think that all these omitions are going to be treated by the british and the islander government before the international comunity, that's why, we all must be more inteligent and not to buy the partial information that politicians from both sides give, unless they wont achieve it with me.
On the other hand, i will always accept the mistakes of my country, i'm not miopic, beside, beyond the hate and the rejection that surelly many of you feel for our government, in the deepest of your conciences, you know perfectly that you are not acting correcty neather, you are also inteligent people like any other, and that's why you have to realise that it must change, or we wont never arrive to any solution.
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