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Falklands’ flagged vessels: “Another diplomatic victory for President Fernández”
In its latest article on Argentina The Economist refers to the recent Mercosur decision to support President Cristina Fernandez in barring vessels flying the Falklands’ flag from docking in regional ports.
The magazine as the heading says (Argentina and the Falklands: rocking the boat) describes it as another diplomatic victory for Cristina and also argues that both the Falkland Islands and Britain have failed to explain their case to the rest of South America. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood job Cristina!!! Go to next step!!!
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All evidence points to it being a rather hollow “victory” as the good ship Falklands steams happily on.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Another diplomatic victory for President Fernández”
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is just the beginning.
Next step should be down for CFK. If this is a victory we have nothing to fear :)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another job well done..
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live CFK, long live the republic!
“Nevertheless, the new Mercosur policy is the latest in a string of small diplomatic victories for Argentina,...”
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Small and also totally insignificant. She'll have to do a lot better than that. Wake me up when she manages to pull a large and/or significant diplomatic victory out of the hat.
The Independent,the Guardian,The Economist these guys are not on the periphery.The elite is beginning the slow process of accepting the inevitable and will soon start at looking at the best way out.The planters will have to be softened up soon ah you know times are hard people in England are suffering we will all have to sacrifice while the rest of South America grows quickly
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can the Argie posters answer these two questions?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you have regional support then why are the two following events occurring?
1) There is an FI flagged vessel in Uruguay (I thought they were banned)
www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=740352000
2) The Leiv Eiriksson drilling platform is steaming towards Brazil after leaving Cape Verde
www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=308243000¢erx=-26.53466¢ery=2.808478&zoom=10&type_color=8
Is this economic engagement with the FI not the exact opposite of what you are being told by your leadership? The evidence is above if you care to take your head out of the sand.
The rest of South America, perhaps, but Argentina? Ha, good one, you lot are losing over 1/5th of your net value every year, money is leaving your country at a rate of $2 Billion a month, and CFK doesn't even have a budget.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we will all have to sacrifice while the rest of South America grows quickly
that bits ok
Yep Argentina is about to enter another huge financial crisis. This Falklands matter won't even be remembered when there is blood on the streets of BA (again).
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 010-12 lifes going to be so hard for you guys in the future.Even in old England the elite are beginning to see the bleak future.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/john-kampfner-brazils-success-heralds-the-new-world-order-6282464
hope you enjoyed the good old days there all over now
well concidering the good times are already over for argentina,
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at least we have something to look forward to,
still a change is always very good, i wonder who would replace CFK
and would they be of the same opinion,
justa thought .
just should think your own research institute predicts Argentina and Brasil will pass out England in gdp in the next 15 or 16 years
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 015==16 years is a long way of
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anything could happen in that time.
Maradona would make a good el presidente!
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With successes like this, Argentina is guaranteed to ger its grubby hands on the Falklands - in a thousand years or so.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is more like a diplomatic shot in the foot, and as Beef quite correctly indicates, what is said and what is actually done usually come out as two different things.
This article says “Britain have failed to explain...”. You have to know that Britain doesn´t have anything to explain, because It is impossible to explain a valid reason to justify the stealing of the Malvinas Islands. All the arguments are clearly wrong and unacceptable. Return the territories stolen NOW !!!!
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah we will give you the FI just so you can bankrupt them too LOL!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“just should think your own research institute predicts Argentina and Brasil will pass out England in gdp in the next 15 or 16 years”
Bloody hell! A pig just flew past my window.
Your economy will need to be G R O W I N G for that to happen (and I mean in real terms, not the fiction that you lot like to convince yourselves of)
Why don't you just crawl back into your bog eh Paddy?
20 comments on this subject and we are still british. A billion comments won't change it either. 1000 years won't either. Get used to it Argentina we are Proud to be British and more proud to be Falkland Islanders living our dream in a democratic way we chose to live.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You could not persuade us in 1982 what makes you think you can change our wish now.
The Malvinas Islands are Argentinian and were always Argentinian. It is not necessary to persuade anybody to know this fact. It doesn´t depend of the opinion of british. This truth didn´t change after using the british military force. I´m not Argentinian but it´s clear that they have the reason.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi/Marcos and others- wow- I say- “dont cry for me Argentina” - some info for you all:
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 01. FI Flagged vessels will only be refused into Ur and Chile - Once these nations have passed the appropriate law changes through their congresses netc- that will take some time. Ur Navy chief has already publicy confirned this. Their Congresses may not be to keen on this - it means they would be contravening SEVERAL multinational agreements for a start.
2- They both only mention FI Flags - get it? Don,t see it as any problem at all really, only thing that may change is the colour and pattern of the flag- get it yet do you?
3 Lan - I can assure you thatall the Argie ranting has got us here in the Islands to the pooint whewre we are now saying: come on “Plastic Face” - just shut up and get on and ban it - then we will never ever have to bother about you and your cronies any more. We can then quietly get on with developing links elsewhere and growing our economy.
JF - utter rubbish. History clearly shows that what is now Argentina has no case at all. If they think otherwise they can challenge the UK to go to the ICJ or PCA. Nothing else will do.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Now with a new “Cristina” law every British people can be an Argentinean citizen inmediatly without a long lines in the inmigrations office. I feeling real shame for everyone, British, Kelpers and Argentinian people also, The Farkland Island never be a part to Argentinian territory, now its late, a many generarions of Kelpers live there, they have their own lenguaje, tradition, culture, everything....... even when never start with a smart and friendly rellationship whit them, very close to offer a direct flight for connections everywhere, universities, etc....but the Argentinean Goverments never offer nothing always said “Las Malvinas son Argentinas” but nothing more than this. We are in the XXI century and the conquest to the other people its no more with weapons its with a smarts strategy (I never meet a smart politician in Argentina, they are only smart for steal publics founds). Sorry for my comment im an argentinean citizen and its my opinion cheers !
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Muy bien hectortranquilo! Great to hear from a real Argentine. Most of the other negative comments are probably freeloaders.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Para los Argentinos que aun creen que la luna es de queso, basta de eso no reclamen mas, es tarde, creo que Cristina tendria que preocuparse mas por eliminar los trabajos precarios, eliminar la desnutricion y el hambre en Argentina, eliminar las villas miserias, eliminar la inseguridad ciudadana, tantas pero tantas cosas y despues pensar en eso si soluciona todo eso claro que los Kelpers querran ser Argentinos, porque cambiar para peor ? no les parece ? ademas por respeto a todos los que murieron en esa guerra que solo fue para alimentar la Megalomania de un General de turno. Me da pena ver por tele como se manifiestan siguiendo las palabras de una mujer que perdio el rumbo hace mucho tiempo, aunque dijo un sabio por ahi, “cada pueblo tiene el gobierno que se merece”.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have to separate the opinion about the government of Argentina, and the Malvinas Island issue. The Islands are Argentinian and will be Argentinian with the present government and with all the other bad o excellent governments that the Argentina will have in the future. You can be in disagreement with the present government but you can´t approve the stealing of the Islands by UK. The truth about the Malvinas Islands doesn´t depend of CFK or another government of the day. It is important to avoid mixture both things.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 023 Islander1 All your past predictions were wrong, what make you think your new predictions are right this time.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Brit once said:
“Is the 60 million strong British bulldog really being wagged by its miniscule Falklands tail- or more precisely a hair on the tail, given that there are only 3,140 Falklanders? In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the ‘rights’ of its colonists?
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when”
Amen
Of course sooner or later Britain will have to give back the Islands. It´s impossible to justify and hide this pirate colony in South America.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which Brit was that then MoreCrap ?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0#25 and #27: as argentine that I am, and living in Argentina, I agree with you.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0#28: as argentine I am still wondering why Argentina never went to the ICJ or PCA. Please, can you explain it to me?
The United Nations General Assembly has already ruled on many occasions about this conflict, confirming that there is a sovereignty dispute to be resolved by both parties peacefully. Argentina and Britain must necessarily negotiate. Why Britain is refusing to negotiate disobeying the orders of the United Nations resolutions?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 031,Not you Rotted, that's for sure.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me explain to all of you what is O.N.U.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0O.N.U. (Organismo sin Ninguna Ultilidad) its a mundial organization where delegates to everywhere can talk for hours in a big building in New York. That place has a lot ot flags outiside and looks like a big hotel. Every X period its designed a new president always they come, to the unknown countries, than neither under torture they said where come from. They have a one force caled United Nations peacekeeping a really elite troop especialist in very dangerous task ussualy in the kindoms of the evil people such Africa and Arabic Countries, but sometimes for the stress that soldiers discover a new skils like a rape womans or to do a corrupt bussines with a food.
@35 I think you are not argentine. No argentine can be that ignorant ! Let alone the arrogance and racism your words show.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“look like a big hotel”???
“Evil people such Africa and Arabic Countries”???
Unless you're making use of a fine and sharp sense of irony, and your true purpose is to enlighten the readers by putting in the spot how little minded someone has to be in order to support british claims.
wait, step by step, the good news, ROCKHOPPER is planing (more spectating results) in another country. FI so difficult.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The malvinistas definitely don't like it when an Argentine tells them that they are wrong & the Falklands definitely do not belong to them.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see there are sane & rational Argentines besides these malvinista plonkers we get here!
@20WestisBest,
Your quip made me laugh so much, l frightened the cat!
Happy New Year♥
Long Live Tedd Nolte
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
If the Economist's journalists had bothered to do any research they would have found Great Britain's modern-day case rests in large part on the UN Treaty.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN Charter Articles 2, 73 and 74 and UN GA resolutions 1514(XV) and 2065(XX) would be a good starting point
@27 hector, On this board it is very important to post your comments in English. It is one of the rules. If you don't post your comment in English it is quite possible that it will be removed. Shall we give you a couple of days to re-post in English?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28 You don't understand. There is no particular argument with the current Argentine government. The argument is with Argentina. For so long as there are South American imbeciles suggesting that the Falklands ought to belong to the argies, the argument will continue.
@29 An extract from “21st century socialism” I believe. We hate socialists.
@30 Is that on your wishlist, jf? If Santa exists, he's been and gone. Why not follow suit, loon?
@33 You brain-dead ignoramus. The General Assembly cannot “rule”. The GA cannot give “orders”. Why are South Americans so uneducated and stupid?
@36 Britain doesn't make claims. Britain makes statements about facts.
@40 I see no need for Britain to make a case. In 1690 Britain took possession of largely uninhabited islands. Britain temporarily left in 1776 for fiscal reasons. There was a short period when the criminals, pirates and trespassers of the United Provinces occupied the Islands. That was effectively ended by the intervention of the United States. Then Britain returned to re-establish its sovereignty. Until 1982 when the cowardly criminals of the cess-pit invaded again. 74 days later the criminals had to surrender and be shipped off. “Uti possidetis” confirms that the Islands now belong to Britain beyond argument. Argentina has now demonstrated itself to be a criminal rogue state by undertaking actions in breach of the UN Charter and UNCLOS. But who cares? Argieland has successfully proved to the world that it can lie for 30 years or more. It has no credibility. It is just a bully. See how Uruguay is implementing the Mercosur directive but telling the Islanders how to evade it. Argie land will collapse soon. After CFK has stolen enough money!
The Falklands will Remain British for as LONG as the Islanders wish it to be so!!!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No amount of Jumping up and down by argentine politicians is going to change that situation!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Hectortranquilo is a argentinian as M. Thatcher
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, sorry dont follow you? Read the Ur statement of today re flags and get up to date please. I hear HMS Protector docks in Montevideo today under her legitimate flag also.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do please enlighten me as which of your predictions have come true and now have a practical effect?
Arg ceretainly after the big bribe blackmail with Lan, I suspect- “just drop that little weekly flight to MPN and you can have all your BA landing rights restored and more as well” - I guess that will be the blackmail bribe from CFK to Lan in late January! We will wait and see if it works.Your Comment
Ethnic groups 61.3% Falkland Islander[b]
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 029.0% British
2.6% Spanish
0.6% Japanese
6.5% Chilean & Other[1 over July 2009 estimate 2474
Is anybody otsides this? UK loves FI, KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKA
This is the beggining of British colonialism in Malvinas!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goos job Argentina! Good job Latinamerica!
Pirats go home!
nah - we began back in 1765 !
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don´t believe that few people want to live in a place without a real support (anybody doesn´t want to live there) of your own country!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 041, we don´t want to live in a non-socialist country as well.
@47 Hahahha! You know I meant the “beggining od the END” hhaha
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That´s what happens when I add comments so early in the morning! :)
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/10/07/half-a-million-families-live-in-buenos-aires-slums-and-keep-expanding-vertically-and-horizontally?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily Is this argieland booming :)))
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FI should change their name to Las Malvinas just to stick it to those socialist dictators :)
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.perfil.com/contenidos/2011/12/30/noticia_0024.html
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 Rob Argentine
Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an Argentine keep wondering why Argentina never went to the International Court of Justice or PCA. Please, can you explain?
As Argentine tell you:
England Will Never accept the International Court of Justice Automatically Because doing so Will Recognize That There is a Sovereignty dispute with Argentina.
The International Court of Justice Marshall Immediately send the proceedings of the Committee on Decolonization conflict the United Nations, Which is The Most Appropriate body for interpreting and Understanding the concepts of colonization and imperialism, historical contexts and social STI Processes, and have extensively Already Studies and Compared and reviewed the arguments of Both Argentina and the UK finally failed and it is a Sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination. Just note in the Malvinas Question That General Assembly of the United Nations Include this doctrine - the Principle of territorial integrity Taking Into account the Interests and NOT the wishes of the Population of the islands - in STI resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later Resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40) 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the Existence of a Sovereignty dispute by resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom).
In Addition, Every year, the Committee of the United Nations Decolonization Finds a resolution Applying the criteria of Resolution 2065 of 1965 and it states Clearly That Sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination
The International Court of Justice is based on Their Judgments of the Decolonization Committee of the UN. Remember That the international court of justice and Decolonization Committee United Nations is supranational. Both Have a lot of international prestige and Complement Each Other.
I remember just at the end to that war one friend of my father after one week after he came to the front line in port Stanley, he gift to me a guitar, when i was 11 years old. He had lost one arm in a explosion and for this he will never could play that instrument again, during long time he never find a job and the state just reconize an a stupid pension not enought for nothing. Every week all my family bring to him food and some money for live, the hero become a pauper homeless. Im very sensitive about the war becouse i believe its a babarian solution at the end the soldiers was only stupid small flag on the map. Dont be racist and dont be a violent with the other, Argentina and in Great Britain has a good and a bad people like everywhere, but dont play the same politician game than every year, my tribute its not only for those than die there, mi tribute its for everyone who came home with a serious phisicall a mental injuries. This is not a football game, someone said “if you want to change the world, chage yourself first”.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats tragic Hector. I hope you finally get a compassionate government that actually cares about its residents.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is more simple, i dont know why no one can see what happend here. First from the british occupation (more than 150 years) untill the end of the second war Argentina never try to recover the island by force becouse a lot of british investemt was here (such docks, trains, factories, etc) Peron nationalized all of them, but (like allways in the in XX century, the goverment alternated in democracy and militar the same like in wherever “Banana Republic”) Argentina after the 2 war were aligment with a United States partner to the UK as well in a N.A.T.O, and the story keep going and the time pass, at the beginning of the 1980 the militaries in the Argentinian Goverment, discover a good chance for to do something, “Recover the Island”, the magic secret for to be in a goverment during a decades. Obvious the end was a really desaster, and one year later every militaries run away, and return the democracy. The monkey (carlos menem) try to star a year called (kelpers seduction, someone remember the teddy bear for the kelpers jajaj) In summary in the last 30 years every govemerment try to recover the island, becouse that idea if its succesfuly can be a solution for perpetuate in the “Pink House” (argentinian goverment house).
Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And about my oppinion about UN jajaja yes of course im a ironic for example 1 kid die every 3 minutes starving in Somalia, Kenia y Etiopia every day, even when United Nations have a budget for a 7,5 billion a year, this is more ironic mi friends....cheers
@55
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should know better, dude, if you think so. May be you can find a few people here in Argentine shouting and demanding that we should increase dramatically our investments on military forces, and until we do so they will continue ignoring our rightfull claims over Malvinas. But truth is that war is not the will of the majority. As clear as the huge majority’s will to recover the land that was stolen from us is, so it is the decision to make it by political, diplomatic, economic and peaceful means. This may look weak for some trolls (be they domestic or foreign), but it isn´t. Of course, this peace aim doesn’t mean that we are not going to defend our territories, goods and resources, even by force if necessary, and in that sense goes the strategic alliance with our partners. The whole LatAm has huge resources to stand for and to preserve for its own peoples and generations to come, Europe has exausted theirs… as stated by former president Lula when he said to former president N. Kirchner “Yes mate, I have Amazonia to defend too”
The world is changing, and is changing more fastly than you can imagine. And time is at our side, not theirs.
@23 Islander1 said “2- They both only mention FI Flags - get it? Don,t see it as any problem at all really, only thing that may change is the colour and pattern of the flag- get it yet do you?”
Yes my friend, that’s precisely the point… You seem to believe the brits propaganda that we are “blocking” the islands, which is not the case. We don’t wanna to starve the islanders, mate… after all, they ARE argentine countryfellows (even if they don’t want to and they speak english). What Mercosur is doing is a political and diplomatic not-recognition of any fantasy “Falkland” sovereign right, wich is it’s illegal use of self flag. By this, Mercosur is
1- Telling the world that no “Falkland” state will be ever recognized in South America.
2- Avoiding the brits to hide behind the islanders to stole our resources. So, they’ll have to
utter rubish
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ran out of space... @58 end is:
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 02- Avoiding the brits to hide behind the islanders to stole our resources. So, they’ll have to do it under their own flag, making crystal clear to everybody it’s anachronistic attempt to maintain a colony in the XXI century.
3- Increasing the economic and political costs of such a robbery.
In that sense are the measures taken, and those coming.
Greets.
58AW - Check facts please- The FI Flag has been on the International Maritime Register-APPROVED and ACCEPTED - ever since 1861. Do please explain how it can be “illegal” ?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercosur- well Brazil has been specifically silent has,nt she! Maybe some in mercosur are starting now to think- Ok we signed up in a rush to keep the crazy woman quiet - but - do we really want to get into a major row with the EU just when we want to have talks on Free Trade Status - you see the Falklands are an Approved Associate EU State - discriminate against us - and you could find the EU saying - “no go jose” on any trade links until you at least stop discriminating against an EU member. Dont forget its not just UK, you have also pissed Spain off a bit and they are questioning it as well.
UK exploiting the fish etc? Get a life - tell me the name please of just ONE trawler or fish freezer vessel that has sailed full from the zone here to UK for discharge there?
The clue is in the wording - Licences issued by FIG(our govt) to fish in the Falklands EEZ. Nothing to do with UK at all - other than their expertise advises us on how to operate the zone.
A Colony are we? They went out about 50yrs ago! Come on - I dare ANY of you to request for a fact finding impartial visit by OAS/UNASUR/Mercosur/UN 24 Committee etc etc!
@ 52 tarde para pensar en José Hernández, ustedes empezaraon con esto, ahora ajo y agua querido, bancatelá. ¿O creés que nos vamos a someter a los caprichos del 54%? Andá a hacer patria al nauseoleo de ÉL.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 58 Stop fantasizing with Uruguay's friendship, Uruguay knows exactly what it is doing, and it's only business, when things get better in Europe, Uruguay will say: Argentina, shove it!
You'd better pray to your god that Cristina's government doesn't fail, because if it does, then those vultures you people are always talking about, will eat Argentina until there is nothing left of the country, and the only ones to blame will be you.
@61
Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ you see the Falklands are an Approved Associate EU State - discriminate against us - and you could find the EU saying - “no go jose” on any trade links until you at least stop discriminating against an EU member.”
Do you really think so? All trade links southamericans are interested in, are only trade links which benefitiates southamericans... EU is not so relevant in the new world, on the contrary, China, India are...
And UE has nothing to say in the Malvinas issue, since Malvinas are not in Europe (not even “Falklands” are :)) , haven't you realized it yet?
Yes, the clue is in the wording... “Licenses issued by FIG” Well, “FIG” is not a state, so “FIG” can't give licenses, and cant use self flag, and “FIG” doing that in a territory-sea under sovereignity dispute is inadmissible. And that is what SouthAmerica is saying.
As for what has EU to say, we'll see.
Greets, and Happy New Year to all of you.
Since Malvinas, are not in Europe (not even “Falklands” are :)) , haven't you realized it yet?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0//////
We now understand that you now agree that there are two islands
1, Falklands
2, Malvinas
Ones British
And the other one is argentine,
?????
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When a banana republic is rocking a paper boat, “The Economist” calls that a “diplomatic” victory! No kidding.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Inside every yellow skin
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is a banana waiting to get out .
195 Malvinense 1833 in another comments page said You ask I think who controlled the Falklands befor 1833 rather than who controlled Britain. Well from all the evidance pointing to 1592 and a certain British Captain John Davies I suspect it was always rightfully controlled by Britain though there was a small period when the French thought they could start to settle our Islands without first checking who actually did control them. That little act started what we know today as the Argentine claim. so it would appear that everyone once laid claim to us including Spain but reality is just like your country is now settled by your lo,t ours is settled by Falkland Islands decendants running into nine generations so moraly the people of the Falkland Islands now rightfully own and control this land. If Argentina disputes that then she should also be called into question as to how she became in control of what is now Argentina.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But as we all know Argentines are small minded thugs by and large who do not believe in rights do they.
It depressing but not surprising to see people quote the discredited Mainstream Media (Guardian, etc) as if we are supposed to be impressed.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are dinosaurs.
They have yet to accept what those committed to reality have long accepted, ie;
Reality doesn't give a damn what Ideology believes in.
That includes the ideology of nationalism and communism.
Talk about two discredited institutions.
Anyway, as to Argentina, here are the facts.
It has no real military.
Lots of corrupt politicians, including, of course, CFK.
An fragmented, disunited body politic.
And lots and lots of valuable resources.
Meanwhile you have China, India, the Middle East, Eastern and Western Europe, and the U.S. all competing for those resources.
Let's refer to those resources as a very pretty virgin girl who is being “protected” by a father who is essentially a Boludo.
Our pretty little virgin girl now finds herself surrounded by a pack of ravenous wolves who have been scouring the world in search of some “love.”
How long to you think this Boludo father can protect his child?
How long will she remain a virgin.
I have said it before and will say it again, Argentina will not last the first half of the 21st century. I see evidence of this everywhere I turn here.
If there are any Argentinians, or anyone else, out there reading this who can refute these facts and this argument, please do so and I will happily admit I was wrong and change my mind.
@64 No Briton, those are your words, not mine. What I meant is that there are two realities, one named “Falklands” and another named Malvinas, but both realities doesn't have the same entity. In any case, the point in my words is that none of those are european, they are southamericans. and islanders are southamericans too.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Greetz
So I guess by siad qoute None of these are european they are south americans. and Islanders are south americans too.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this mean that even south africa is , Australia etc are also south americans because they too are in the southern hemisphere. My goodness one does crawl deep in ones own hole to come up with such crap.
Does it also mean that any island near another country belong to that country. Guess the cubans would love to be told that but I bet the Argentines have not got the guts to sugest it to them.
69, nogastespolvoraenchimangos, estos se creen que viven en Finlandia .... ke barbaro, keme contursi, gracias por tu comentário. este chamullo con cheibons konmenos carburacion que minguitotinguetela
Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 063- actually EU does refer to the Falklands(not malvinas0 - and lists us.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIG is recognized by the UN as the local Govt. It is also recognized By Chile, Uruguay and Brazil Govt Customs etc whose goods are exported to us here. It is recognized by such nations as Taiwan,Japan,South Korea, China, Spain and all the others who apply to FIG for fishing licences.It is recognized by all nations cruise vessels who vist here. It is even recognized by Argentina private and light aircraft that fly to here - and must also be recognised by Arg flight authorities as you let thoxe planes back into Argentina with a Falkland Islands stamp in their logbook! Even your own War Families Commission recognises FIG and deals with it! As does every Argentine citizen who lands here and gets their passport stamped with a temporary immigration permit from the Falkland Islands Govt!
Do please check facts first!
@71 Kipling, tenés razón, I better go cook paralafamilia a riquísima New Years Eve dinner. Salut!
Dec 31st, 2011 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Dec 31st, 2011 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing how you made that up.
Rabble rabble rabble. More nonsense from squatters.
72, FIG is not recognized for anybody. UK calls about the seldetermination, it is the satus. Internationally, it doesn´t exist. In wich document do you find this? It is just your dream!
Dec 31st, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0roddybumpkin - if you contact thr relevant FIG dept- Fisheries,CivilAviation, Customs,Biosecurity etc I am sure they can give you all the info you need- or look up a list of licensed vessels for say 2010-2011 - and contact them direct.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strangely enough we Islanders deal in FACTS - Argentines seem to specialize in FANTASY and FICTION!
kakakakakakakaka so funny!
Dec 31st, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 nanananananananananana clown!
Dec 31st, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 South Africa belongs, obviously, to Africa... another continent. And Australia belongs to Oceania; again another continent. So people born in SouthAfrica are southafricans, and so on. Malvinas islanders were born in South America, so they are southamericans. Man, books don't bite, you can try to open one without any fear. Greets
Dec 31st, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80AW,
Dec 31st, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are in the South Atlantic.
Maybe could be classed as South Americans.
Most definitely NOT Argentines.♥
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/31/the-grueling-three-country-dakar-rally-takes-off-from-mar-del-plata-to-lima
Dec 31st, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My friends, I am enjoyed in Mar del Plata and South America, kelpers - capricious of the argentinian lands (british of the 4th cathegory, come back!).
Next year, will be the same as the following year,
Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have nothing to fear, Argentina; it seems is the nation that is in meltdown and panicking,
The British government is quite prepared to sit back and do nothing, in retrospect of Argentina actions,
Their is enough military to deal with any attempt to attack the Falklands,
[Unless you feel lucky]
The fishing bit, will be sorted out, and the sabre rattling with go out of fashion, and CFK will just go away fed up, that nothing is going to work,
Unless Argentina can persuade the rest of S/A to back her claim with military help, and persuade the Americans to go on holiday,
And the commonwealth to turn a blind eye,
And the Europeans to [mmm] join the Americans on a beach somewhere,
Then quite honestly, as Argentina [today] is only prepared to talk,
Then all I can see , is that the Falklands will still be same 300years from now,
Unless you have other ideas .
#83 Yes its obvious that the Argentines are in melt down mode. When they start talking about their beloved Malvinas you know they are in big trouble. I look forward to the entertainment that will follow with riots on the streets, runs on the bank, crashing peso, strikes etc (ala 2001).
Jan 01st, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 02012 the year of cash, no credit no plastic.
Jan 01st, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85: “2012 the year of cash, no credit no plastic....”
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0....except for all the plastic in CFKs face, of course.
Briton will make a new resolution that we will be even more witty
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny and jokingly tell ghost stories,
We will keep Argentina guessing and on edge, keeping then nervously sweating , as to where we are, why we have not retaliated yet, what are we up to, what are we conspiring about ,
Everything they have tried so far, has either failed, fell on deaf ears or laughed at,
Keep them on their toes and watch CFK go potty , that’s far to much plastic for one woman,
After all, A woman that wants your blood
Is A woman worth keeping your pole neck sweater on for
Just a neckingly good thought
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Argentina doesn't seem to be counting any victory yet but for the british propaganda machine any chance they get is good to say Islas Malvinas are british. wich I am sure it can be true if they can manage to haul it back to UK and put it where they think it came from.
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see posters saying the UK will not negotiate with Argentina. How can there be negotiations when all i see is the Argentine government saying basically “ give it back or else”. That is no basis for a negotiation.
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and that is why their is none .
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its funny the Britts claim there little bunch of rocks and call it the Falkands but for
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina its a little cold miserable Island with a few Britts who call it home lol
little cold miserable Island
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet argentina wants it,
They don't really want the island anyway. Its just mis-direction on behalf of the government. Maybe they could have the islands if they legitimately wanted them but not under these circumstances.
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mind you,
Jan 04th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0its may be a good place to build the new space centre
launch pad, all that fuel next door,
but might be a bit to windy .
lts not a miserable set of lslands. Little by world standards & certainly can be cold, but never miserable.
Jan 04th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina is not having it.
Perhaps this plastic little Barbie doll,
Jan 04th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is really looking for her very own Action man
[ Timerman perhaps]
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