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PM Cameron discards any Falklands’ sovereignty negotiations with Argentina
British Prime Minister David Cameron discarded any Falkland Islands sovereignty negotiations with Argentina and said that his government is permanently vigilant about the protection of the Islands and their defence. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAs his beleaguered economy gets worse and worse even the oil riches of the South Atlantic and Antarttic will all be negotiated.Reality check davidito England is every day a smaller player and your latest little attack on Salmond must be music to the ears of all Scotish nationalists.Davidito is certainly brazen but long term brazeness as.South America grows rapidly and England declines so slowly maybe even elegantly wont stave off the new.realities.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ogara UK may be a little smaller than it used to be but it is not and will not ever be so weak it has to hand it's citizens over to undemocratic Governments. Falklands will remain British for as long as their Citizens want them to. If the Scottish citizens vote to remain part of UK they they to will be able to stay.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0O'gara when did you move to Buenos Aires :) ya fake paddy, come on out with it dear fellow.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no way that O gaga is an Irishman, given what he has said in the recent past.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0O'gara,
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should look in to economics more. Many counrys such as Argentina have very high inflation as well as high levels of goverment borrow, will in the long term have massive negative outcomes.
We can already see that latin american countrys growth slowing down and some going back or have into the negatives.
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Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If that were true and you were totally confident in Argentina's economic progress and our own economic decline, you wouldn't be getting so angry, annoyed and upset. You would simply smile and wait for it all to happen. Fact is you and your silly chums on here are beginning to sound even more pathetic than you did in 1982. Fact is after 30 years and counting of pain and humiliation you are beginning to get a bit desperate. Just hope that Brazil, Uruguay and Chile extract the maximum political and economic advantage in exchange for their “support”.
I think some of the Argentine bloggers believe that if they tell the lie often enough it will be true. They were raised that way so you cannot blame them for trying. The problem is that outside of Argentina we were raised to look at facts and make our own minds up rather than accept what we are told to think. They are playing to the wrong audience.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just goes to show that NO UK politian will negotiate the Falklands to an another country against the wishes of the Islanders.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The argentines can shout all they want!! Britain is too far away to hear there Bleetings!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
I feel sorry that there are so many Argies on here who are so ashamed of the fact that they are Argentine that they feel the need to pretend that they Irish Scottish Welsh or Kiwi,
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0It must be bad to live in a country that makes you feel that way.
One day things may get better for them and they will no longer feel the need to be ashamed to tell the world who they are and no longer hide the fact that they are Argentine.
Well now dont we all protest too much.The writing is on the wall and you guys know it but the ”oul stiff upper lip even if nothing else stiffens(where is Conqueror go did the poor old dear pass away)fights on.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 05 James with your economics you actually beleive Chinas been in recession for a decade now Well amigo it just dont work like that I am afraid growth is about production and service industries growing not simple maths
Why do Argentines keep asserting that the time is close for Argentina to colonise the Falklands and that the Falkland Islanders and British know it? I live in Stanley and was born here and I have absolutely no fear that Argentina will ever get its way. So to constantly hear that me and my fellow Islanders are worried is a little puzzling. But of course, Argentines know more of the goings-on in Stanley than the Falkland Islanders themselves.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I keep forgetting that the Argentines are the experts in everything, because of course O gara seems to be an economics master....according to him the Argentine economy has a stronger future than the British. Maybe it is all that inflation that is clouding his judgement.......Economic Growth of 9.2% and inflation between 20-30%....Yes Argentina has strong economic growth (until you remove inflation from the GDP).
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Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm talking in regards to spending above your means.. Agentina stills need to pay back a large amount of money back from the economic crisis of 1999-2002. There has been serious question to the membership of argentina in the G20 regarding this matter.
Argentina is digging a bigger hole for it self.
Good job Argentina once again. The occupier must be vigilant as it stands where it does not belong to. Leave our islands and you will not need to be vigilant any longer. In the meantime your life will not be easy at all and more and more money (scarce for u these days) will need to be poured in the islands. Good job Argentina, South America, Central America, Caribbean, Africa, Arab countries, some EU members , US and many manynothers for making this possible!
Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has changed; nothing will change.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has changed indeed. This British guy is at a loss and is delivering statements on the islands practically everyday. How will hebdenynthen that there's nomdispute at all? He has been led into it by Argentina and its growing number of partners!
Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l'm sure the Argentines are getting desperate, they are beginning to dither.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind, O'Gara, you can always go home to poor ould lreland(as broke as Argentina).♥
“But the Argentine Government has continued to make statements which challenge your right to self-determination”...................This is the bit they just dont get...too long as a dictatorship i suppose, its ingrained in the national psyche....ever since Manuel Belgrano in 1816 !
Jan 09th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Things are changing, don´t you see it?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 015 Alejomartinez (#) we are delivering one statement for about every 10 of yours, that is simply a repetition 'settle down Argentina' . Also as Argentina faced economic issues a few years back, and there credit rating isn't brilliant, they would struggle to get any serious loans if problems were to arise. You cant dismiss Britain as broke yet lads, we have been playing this game for a lot longer than you, and have managed it on an extremely superior scale as well :)
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alejo...Argentines have this uncanny way of raising a subject, demanding attention be bestowed upon it and then castigating those who gave it attention for giving it attention. Argentina raised the profile of the Falklands, in the media and in the international community. How do you not expect Britain to make daily comments (mostly in reply) when your own own Government raises the issue on an hourly basis with anyone who has the misfortune to listen?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no. 18. The only thing is changing is the perceptions of the international community regarding the Falklands and its people, and not in the way Argentina would like. Since Argentina has stepped up its attempt to raise the question of sovereignty in the world, I have seen more Britian and international support of the Falkland Islanders right to self-dtermination. More and more international (particularly Latin American) journalists are visiting the islands to get the Falkland people's story and it diminishes Argentina's claim. You may see change from your perview in Argentina, but we are discussing what is changing for the Falklands, and I have not seen any change in my way of life and I do not forsee any changes.
The perceptions of the world HAVE changed indeed and in the way we like. How can you explain otherwise the very significant decision by all Caribbean tates to firmly support Argentina's SOVEREIGNTY RIGHTS over the islands? These are all Commonwealth members, former British colonies who became independent upon exercising theirnp right tonself determination! If this is not a perception Argentina would like I cannot think of another one!
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been raising the issue formthe last many years but Cameron has gone wild these last months! Great job Argentina and allies once again!!!
“However, Mujica made clear he would not support any blockade of the Falkland Islands because that is against International Law and a violation of the human rights of the Islanders”.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right Mr Mujica, quite right.
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The only “things” that are changing apply to the Falkland Islands Economy which is booming and going to get better once the oil (that doesn't exist) is extracted and shipped to Chinese, European and North American markets. Falkland islanders are looking forward not back. You should follow their example.
ALL Caribbean states ! Really ?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And they are doing WHAT exactly ??
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(#) 13 & 15. I'm not so sure. I don't discard that an overexcited Argentine captain may produce something appearing as an 'act of war' that would push the 'vigilants' into actions that may lead to undesired consequences... Then we shall see and, perhaps, learn. If there's no peaceful solution, there's no solution, and I'm afraid that the latter is what should prevail even if it takes 100 years.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok ill try one more time gdp or gnp growth or decline is measured year on year in US DOLLARS not pesos.This largely takes the inflation in pesos out of the equation.Argentinas economy grew 9% in 2011 in dollars in.pesos it was kuch more but just like Englands gdp fall is also measuered in dollarsts the value of all goods and services produced in the country in DOLLARS JAMES DOLLARS
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has changed except in the minds of a few Argentine fanatics. It does not matter what anyone says to appease your insane President, nothing has changed. The Falkland Islands remain as they are and sovereignty is not up for discussion. Do you get it now? Nothing has changed.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Mujica is absolutely right as rgentina is NOT blockading the islands, that is a fact. It simply enforces international law and this does not recognise a so called flag as there is no sovereign country behind that flag.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. ALL Caribbean States, yes, all of them support Argentina's sovereignty over the islands. This is sth important as otherwise the UK wouldnt be so concerned! They will do many things, dont worry!!!
3. Remain vigilant, of course, but not because we are threatening use of force. Be vigilant as the force of truth and right is emerging more and more. Peaceful means for a peaceful solution in sgricg accordance with international law and UN mandate!
1. There is a sovereign country behind that flag! It's called the United Kingdom.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. No they don't.
3. The truth will destroy Argentina's spurious claims. So let's get to it :-)
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Jan 09th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. UK flag vessels are welcome in Mercosur Ports, because the UK exists and is recognized. FI flag is ilegal.
2. They do.
3. Denial of the dispute and pretending to put a full stop unilateraly shows on what side the truth is.
1) The Falklands flag is perfectly legal and recognised world wide, except in a few Banan Republics and Tin-Pot Dictatorships.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 02) No they really don't. The best you'll get is a little talk and then they'll agree to support a call for talk ... which they already know won't happen. So as a truss goes, you're gonna drop a B*ll*ck
3) The truth is there for all to see. Argentina has no claim, and the world recognises the joke. Do some independent research, but be prepared not to like what you find.
and after 179 years, the thieves are still on our land. we don´t want colonization. UK give our land back ! you should be ashamed !! get out!!!
Jan 09th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ashamed ? Of what? Holding onto what is ours ? What was always ours? Defeating two attempts by Argentina to invade and steal what is ours? Thieving Argies!
Jan 09th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to be ashamed of there.
Goodnight :-)
31 Zero
Jan 09th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islanders aren't thieves. How can you steal your own land?
Colonisation? - Do me a favour and grow up.
Its not your land, it never has been, its ours. Its all ours.
No shame my little Latino friend, only pride.
Get out? - Nah, you get out!
Perhaps Cameron can explain why he abandons plans to scrap 50p tax or why he is interfering in Scottish independence vote as well.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Cameron can talk all he wants about Malvinas, Scottish independence or England spiral down economy, however arguing to preserve the status quo is usually done because there is anything he can do to stop change.
@10 O gara Not gone away, tosspot. Ready to tear you a new hole in your backside any time you like. How would you like to examine your intestines? On the floor. Where I leave them.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 “our islands”? What sort of dreamworld do you live in? Here's a suggestion. Why don't you pop outside, bang your head violently against a brick or concrete wall for about an hour.
@15 Of course Argentina has lots of partners. Keep on bending over and not looking behind.
@18 Of course we see it. Argentina is looking more illogical, illegal and criminal on a daily basis. Where's the problem?
@21 Caribbean countries. You mean drug-crazed lunatics like South America?
@25 And argentine inflation grew to exceed 25%. Do you have a valid point?
@27 Really?
(1) Argentine refusal to export goods to Falkland Islands;
Argentine refusal to permit “innocent passage” through Argentine waters as per UNCLOS;
Argentine sanctions against companies doing business with Falkland Islands;
Argentine “pressure” on fellow South American countries.
(2) Argentine “pressure” on Caribbean nations.
(3) “Force” is a matter of definition. Argentine actions already contravene the UN Charter. An “economic blockade” is force. It matters not. When the Argentine joke navy is resting on the bottom of the sea. Let's give you a clue. Many fishing boats have been dragged down after having their nets entangled by a submarine. And RN submarines have specially-strengthened “sails”. Ideal for punching through the bottoms of argie rowing boats.
Here's a tip for all Argentines. Around 65 million people actively hate every one of you. Around 65 million people would love to see every single one of you scum-bags dead.
@31 At what point in your useless, scumbag existence do you want to die? Please provide a date. There are around 40 million other applicants. We'd like to do everyone in a proper order.
What status quo Marcos? The FI are moving ahead very well and oil wealth is not far away. Nice RKH presentation delivered today (you can see the PP presentation yourself if you wish).
Jan 09th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only Status Quo is Argentina constantly mothing off. It is so pathetic it is just so easy to ignore.The only hope Argentina has is no hope.
Looking forward to a reserves upgrade this month and farm-in details this year :-)
Fascist warmongering Argentinian irredentism should be condemned by all peace loving people!
Jan 09th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual Alejo, your comments seem to contradict your past comments. You said in Comment 21 that you have the 'support' of Carribean islands that have been granted independence from Britain through self-determination. But wait, you also claim that Britain is hanging onto its empire and will never allow the Falklands to use their right to self-determination. So how do you explain the difference in policy between islands? It wont be natural resources as the Falkland Islands Government benefits from all the revenues generated (fact), so what else is there? Hmm...your circular and hypcritical logic seems to be a bit of a problem.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror darling old boy.I see the pains killing you not fit for the wife again.Is that whu you are having the gay daydreams?All that sperm and anger waiting to get out.Take it easy youll rupture yourself.I wouldnt imagine you would get near my intestines old boy id say you smell like hell and that big cerveza belly makes your balls invisible from anywhere north of Ecuador wouldnt you say?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way and I know you suffer terribly(did a Paddy fu.. up that back?)why do you use the word HATE so much.Have you other pains effecting you rather than your back you mention intestines a lot too is that it?
Take care dear fellow I worry about you every day!
bonkernuts sounds a tad pissed.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reading the interview with British Prime Minister came to me a hypothesis:
Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is this of the English people so attached to these islands far away for them? What value do these islands to the British?
And the answer came to me like a vision:
Leo my fellow Argentines say that the current interest in English on the islands is cheap, oil. You may have a point but the English position, but his irrational attachment to these remote islands English predates the discovery of oil.
I believe, and this is my position that the Falklands represent its glorious past, when they were the world power and no one disputed that position. 82 conflict with England revived the patriotic feeling, you understand current imperialist sentiment in the nineteenth century, which is deeply rooted in the British Conservatives. This patriotic sentiment is still very present in the collective imagination which prevents and now puts any discussion of sovereignty delas them. That's why during this generation follow these islands in British hands.
Sometime in the future when the rationality of the issue to make them see the absurdity of maintaining a military base to protect democratic country that shares the same values of Western civilization, they alone will convene negotiations for the handover. It's what I think.
Excuse my poor English.
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Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it British or English?
Xavier you have it perfectly.But you must remember Sky Tv,Itv The Times,Telegraph,Express and Mail fill up the masses with the most extraordinary propaganda.It makes Radio Moscow look neutral by comparison.The City doest its job very well and much like the Muslim suicide bombers they die for the old batty Queen.also like the Muslims most of those on the periphery have little employment possibilities and are desperate to do anything to get out of the cold damp horrible cities they live in.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence we see the likes of Conqueror,Bulldog Sir Roderick total nutjobs who get past pahe three on the Sun only when theirr hands have any energy left not to mention the little thing they have left
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Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'English people' are not attached to the islands.
Most English people don't even know where they are.
Of the ones that do know where they are, a fair proportion think that they should not be Britain's responsibility.
The islands are not 'in British hands'. We have our own democratically elected government.
Britain does not get the proceeds of oil exploration. Any British companies involved here would get their profits whoever had sovereignty. FIG gets the government share.
Britain's only interest is to prevent us from being handed over to you without our agreement. If we wanted to be Argentine, Britain would give up the Falklands tomorrow and be glad to do it.
This is why your governments policy of being rotten to Falkland Islanders is so misguided. Britain has made a commitment to us and will never back down now. It's been said too publicly and too many times
If you want something to change you need to be convincing Falkland Islanders.
Your English is some way better than my Spanish!
I'm Argentine north, living in the province of Formosa border with Paraguay. And I do not get along with the porteños.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44. Perfectly put.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do not have some attachment to the Falklands because of some outdated affection for an empire. Our empire ended decades ago and the only people obsessed with it is the Argentines. I am fascinated to see those out-of-date history books. The world has moved on and Argentina is locked in the past.
44 Monty69
Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My opinion is based on the words of Prime Minister when he says the feelings lived in her childhood during the war of 82, so it shows its current view is rooted in his childhood sense of nationalism. So I say that for English and not British Falklands is the last bastion of the fallen empire of the nineteenth century.
Pardon my ignorance but the fleet was arrived at 82 and British English, except the Gurkhas mercenaries. Correct me if I'm wrong.
English As regards conditions to sustain its occupation of the islands, I will say that does not always matter to His Majesty's Government the desire of the colonies in defining the sovereignty of a territory. Take the example of Hong Kong residents there wanted to remain British but that does not matter when you decide to pass to China. And the 99-year contract was not in effect for the island of Hong Kong, the mainland should only be returned to China, but still with against the expressed wish of the people who wanted to remain British decided on the total transfer sovereignty.
I do not wish to underestimate but the question of sovereignty and the people of Hong Kong in 1997, have no opinion. The question should only be treated between Argentina (like China in the example above) and England has the protection and occupation thereof.
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Jan 09th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British have zero interest in the islands. however they do not wish to see the islanders subjugated to a genocidal third world nation with a long history of exterminating undesired minorities.
to an argentine like you, not wishing innocent people to suffer must surely seem like an “irrational attachment”, but given your nation's history its not hard to see why no argentine can understand.
the oil there will be the exclusive property of the islanders and whatever oil company the islanders elect to grant a licence to. thanks to argentina cowardice in trying to bully and harass them through underhand means for the past 30 years, argentina will get nothing.
and if a Briton wishes to look at the legacy of Britain's past, he needs only to look at inventions like the computer, the TV, the phone, the internet (or the world wide web), modern industry, modern economics, just about every science, countless medical inventions like vaccines and antibiotics which have saved billions, just about every modern sporting institution, and the most popular books and music of all time etc.
the Falklands are quite unnecessary to remember these.
and besides this we are still arguably 4th most powerful nation on earth and need no reminder of this fact either. the fact the war allowed us to demonstrate just how stupid it was for a third world nation to attack British civilians, the only nation which became so pathetically obsessed with them after the war was argentina. argentines like you on the other hand like to project your jingoism, obsession and shrieking hypocrisy onto us in order to justify your own.
Britain has every physical, economic, legal and moral high ground in the issue. Your nation shares no value of civilization, democracy , self determination, integrity or humility with any western nation, and has no right legal or moral to our islands.
we will never have any need to enter negotiations with such a pathetic, hypocritical, corrupt, joke of a nation.
Once again the deluded ill-informed Argies [bless them] are clutching at straws again, desperate
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For any signs of victory, who will gather by the millions [with the bloggers] out side their deluded leaders house awaiting for the victory sign from her, as we await her reply,
But has she anything left in the closet or will she do a Churchill,
As the only victory sign she can give to her own people will be [V]
A two finger salute, but alas the meaning will be totally misunderstood by her devoted followers,
As a sign of victory rather than [sod off]
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According to well informed and intelligent intellectual argie bloggers ,
The word is, UK is finished, UK is broke, UK is breaking up ,
No ships ,,no planes ,, no troops ,, no moral ,, no hope ,
Broke ,, skint ,, bankrupt ,, worn-out ,,
And yet they still lack backbone to strike, [what does this make them]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8997956/Royal-Navy-sends-its-mightiest-ship-to-take-on-the-Iranian-show-of-force-in-the-Gulf.html
again
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8997956/Royal-Navy-sends-its-mightiest-ship-to-take-on-the-Iranian-show-of-force-in-the-Gulf.html
and again
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8997956/Royal-Navy-sends-its-mightiest-ship-to-take-on-the-Iranian-show-of-force-in-the-Gulf.html
for an backward advancing country like Argentina , with a deluded leader and an illegal obsession , stalking the islands, one has to wonder,
for a country that is probably one hundred times bigger than the isle of white,
yet in real terms, one hundred times weaker, is this not the world greatest embarrassment,
soon to be entered in the Guinness book of records ,, under the title page
[The worlds greatest jokes ]
Just a peaceful pieces of information, peace my children –
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Sorry argies ,look like you'll just have to keep throwing your toys out of the pram ;)
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 Braedon
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can not accuse the extermination Argentina minorities! You must be kidding you. I would say that before giving a better view you look at things that have made your great nation. Only God knows what England did in the U.S. with Native Americans, Southern blacks were not brought by Argentines. In India, if Gandhi would rise again to the grave if you listen. Mandela sure you support your position after the British experience in South Africa.
Argentina has many flaws, of course not we are a nation of the first world, we are a young democracy that is growing every day, we have problems, social and economic resources, we are solving for a bit, but here there is no racial hatred, we are in Peace with our South American neighbors, but do not like the islands are also part of this region of the world.
Regarding the kind of country we will tell you that recently, 100 years ago, Britain handed Hong Kong to China a communist country, where there is no democracy, only supports a single political party, the Chinese government massacred the people of Tibet, and goodness knows what they do with their opponents.
If England gave full sovereignty to a country like China .. Why not give the Falklands to Argentina? Just so you know, just because you have resentment and anger will not prevent this from happening.
44 Monty69 “The islands are not 'in British hands'. We have our own democratically elected government”
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HE the Governor, Mr Nigel Haywood CVO (Former Governor of British occupied Basra Iraq)
“The role of the Governor in the Overseas Territories is multi-faceted; he is the representative of HM the Queen in the Islands, and represents the UK Government to the people and the Government of the Falklands”
British colony official website
http://www.falklands.gov.fk//Government.html
“Take the example of Hong Kong residents there wanted to remain British”
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were a few who wanted to remain British. Just like in India there were a few who wished to retain British rule. This is not however a majority of the population and neither then or since has the population of Hong Kong opted for a referendum.
True, Only the land surrounding Hong Kong “should” have been returned as per the agreement. What you fail to mention is the fact that the city was completely unsustainable with out those lands surrounding the city.
And finally - The Chinese had stated on several occasions that they would just take the island by force. Even if both of the two previous parts were not the case i.e; The entire population wanting to remain British and the city being self sustaining. It still would have been a military impossibility to keep the Chinese out.
You are in effect comparing apples and oranges; The situations could not be more different.
The islands are self sustaining.
The islands are defensible.
The entire population want's to remain British.
Our reasons for patriotism over the islands are simple: You attacked us, and we had a war. This leaves memory's in country's populations. Before 82 I think most British people would agree with me when i say that 99% of the British population probably didn't know anything about the islands.
When you attacked. You forever ruined your changes of reclaiming the islands. I for one couldn't give a toss about the oil as with many of my friends in the forces.
But if you're going to try subjugate our people, We're going to fight.
44 Monty69 “The islands are not 'in British hands'. We have our own democratically elected government”
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British colony official website:
“Legislative Assembly is empowered to pass legislation for the peace, order and good government of the Falkland Islands, subject to the approval of Her Majesty the Queen”
http://www.falklands.gov.fk//Government.html
It is clear that David Cameron, the conflict is out of control and he has gotten out of hand. Now the Falklands conflict is on the agenda of global public opinion is evidenced by his desperate reaction.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has managed to grow global awareness of the conflict. Latin America supports the claims, both the United Nations, OAS, UNASUR, MERCOSUR CELAC and now putting into practice Latin American solidarity and achieving a unity of conception and action with the United Kingdom.
It's a way attached to confront economic and military aggression in the UK in 500 years of history.
Many countries are sympathetic to the claim of sovereignty and even the UK itself the controversial attitude of David Cameroon causes internal and external cracks about its alliance with the United States.
The main error is to underestimate Britain's growing leadership in Argentina and South America as a whole and their commitment and increasing support to Argentina. It just keeps getting more evidence of the double discourse of Britain ”say the champions of democracy and the facts known UN resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and therefore reaffirms the principle of territorial integrity. England continue with the humanitarian bombing civilians in Afghanistan as they did in Libya, Iraq and Iran-pleasing.
Argentina's main weapon is the abandonment of the arms race and proceed with its proposal for dialogue, consensus and peace. This mystifies David Cameroon that more and more often have to explain the world from its erroneous policy of imperialism and colonialism in the XXI century.
51 XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain was always going to give Hong Kong back to the Chinese because those were the terms of the treaty by which they acquired Hong Kong in the first place.
There is no treaty with Argentina. And whether the words 'give back' apply in this case is highly debateable.
I don't have resentment and anger at all. Just determination.
However, what we think and feel is important because Britain will ask us first before anything changes. Our feelings will prevent Argentina getting the Falklands.
54 Marcos Alejandro
You are so right. The Queen is at Sandringham right now perusing the amendments to the Falkland Islands Road Traffic Ordinance. I'm sure she'll let us know what she thinks.
Pillock.
@51 “but here there is no racial hatred” Um, I would have to disagree with that. I witness a lot of blatant racism in Buenos Aires.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite all the hot air from the Argentine bloggers, you have actually achieved absolutely nothing. Not one of the points you raised will make any difference. The Falkland Islanders wish to remain as they are and, therefore, there will be no negotiations over TFLs.
Nothing has changed; nothing will change.
@XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok let’s take a look at argentine history.
War of the triple alliance: the argentine government intentionally recruited their army from the black population, to the point where most of the army was black. This had the intended result of near wiping out the black population.
Conquest of the desert: argentina waged a campaign of nightmarish extermination against the native tribes deemed either “unworthy” or having the audacity to resist argentine theft of their land. Repression of native argentines continues to this day.
The Dirty war: the argentine government engaged in wholesale slaughter of political enemies, and got away with it until it made the mistake of trying to do the same to the Falkland islanders, incurring a swift arsekicking from Britain.
One of the major reasons America declared independence was because Britain refused the colonists permission to expand into native lands. We wanted to preserve our agreements with them to ensure their aid if France attacked again. The crimes against the Native Americans are solely the responsibility of the USA.
And as for India Britain granted them independence when they asked, and unlike the native argentines, the Indians were not exterminated by the British. And in South Africa Britain was one of the major players against apartheid, which was solely the fault of the Afrikaner population there.
The fact that argentina still ignores or even celebrates its crimes is what is so sickening to the civilised world. The fact the native argentine population continues to be repressed, and suffers in horrific poverty and disease shows full well your attitude towards the people from whom you stole your land.
Britain had agreed 99 years beforehand to lease back Hong Kong. We were legally required to leave as all legal rights now rested with china, whereas in the Falklands all legal and moral rights rest with Britain and the islanders. We have zero reason to discuss anything with you.
England is a great nation from the reign of King Arthur, we just tenesmus 200 years. England has a rule of law since the Magna Carta, we just live in democracy from the 83. England has been a colonial empire since the invention of the paddle, we never left our continent to usurp foreign lands.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet this small country with three simple steps over the islands is giving a headache to Her Majesty the Queen.
Argentina has taken the bull by the horns. This can be felt here and there.
How many troops have come to cruise the islands in 2011 and how many was in 2009?
That will happen this year when Argentina interrupt the airlift Chile?
To exit the enclave must first go to Africa, I imagine the happiness that Chileans living will when they hear the news.
Like it or not should negotiate to become a province of Argentina,
Know that every Argentine provincial government has its own flag?
Everything is negotiable.
If you do not want there to the Argentine continental agree that for 100 years no one can acquire a piece of land without your consent. We could go only as tourists. I personally would like to vacation in your city.
Would agree to exploit natural resources renewable and nonrenewable a smaller share of Argentina. From the continent could supply the necessary inputs for the exploration and exploitation of them.
I know you did not think, what would happen if an environmental catastrophe as happened in the Gulf of Mexico because of BP? And even if the same occurs if the consent of Argentina for its operation. Know whom to blame the international community for that fact?
The day after this disaster I see the photo of the Queen handing the key to their islands CFK!
57 explain: amazing how you can find racial hatred in BA but not books
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that enough has allready been said about this as strongly seen from these posts about whose flag should fly over the islands Government Offices, about time all these 'fake' Argies and former Nationals should think about packing their bags and going back home.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 Braedon
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for my mistake! I did not know that England was the champion of human rights!
Is that here in Argentina teach us bad Western history. I did not know that black slaves brought from Africa begged the British cargo ships up to them to become slaves to the cotton plantations in the southern USA.
Now I find out who left India for “respect” the will of the Indians who no longer wanted beyond that England as a gentleman politely withdrew from India to say that Gandhi will organize a farewell party!
So the “apartheid” was just a whim of the local English settlers, because before when they were a direct dependence of the black queen enjoyed all the civil and political rights. In what was lost Mandela!
Friend, if you want you can follow chupándote fingers.
55 Raul
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i would say , the conferee, rather than instigate war,, the British are actively and legally involved in talks with south American countries, trying to be friendly, the British don’t want war, the government, ignore your sabre rattling because this is most prudent, at this time to sit and wait,
Argentina on the other hand, is taking our politeness as a sign of weakness,
and their foe pushing more and more, you just don’t understand the consequences of your actions, if this all goes wrong, it is Argentina the world will condemn, not the British, as we will be seen as peaceful, , and only retaliated as a last resort, but Argentina will be seen as very aggressive, , but we can assure you the outcome will leave you in a very bad state, the Falklands will still be British, and the British will still be in the south Atlantic,, but of course theirs only one way to prove this point,
and that’s up to Argentina .
But you want Cristina to run England Briton whats wrong?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, instead of having an empire in foreign lands, argentina permanently stole the land of natives around its borders, and then commenced a campaign of brutal extermination, replacing the natives with European settlers, and it has yet to relinquish any of this territory or even apologise to the few surviving natives.
argentina has been unable to do anything to prevent or even delay the islander’s oil industry from starting, and all of it’s so called allies have done less than nothing bar a few token statements to pressure Britain. And if you close the airroute the islanders will simply take advantage of better tech since 1982 to take flights from other nations until the St Helena airport is built, thus giving them perfect access to wherever they desire, and argentines will be banned from ever visiting the islands as argentina broke that contract in blocking the air route.
However, argentina is exerting zero real pressure on the islanders, poses zero military threat, and in terms of economics is one of the most unstable and corrupt nations in the Americas. argentina is powerless, impotent and irrelevant to them, and it’s recent attempted blockade has more than proved this.
With the UK their basic human rights are respected, their land, waters and oil industry is theirs alone, and they are protected. With the UK they are also fully independent in all but defence and foreign relations. They want nothing from a nation which has done nothing but harass, persecute and insult them, and which treats them as subhuman without any human rights, and which would instantly disenfranchise them of their land and resources.
argentina has already proven itself unworthy of the islander’s kindness when it used their allowing the bodies of the men sent to subjugate them to be buried there, and for argentines to visit, as propaganda for the islanders to be subjugated again. And if argentina tries to close the air route, that much abused privilege will be removed instantly.
1 gara (#)---- I have to laugh at your comments well we all do if the truth is known. You along with your Argy buddy bloggers keep banging on about how poor the UK is, well when does a poor country builds Five brand new state of the art warships costing 1 billion a go along with two brand new aircraft carriers costing over 6 billion a go? In addition, while they build those ships give billions of £s to other country's to help them out? As for Scotland wanting to come out of the Union, well that will be up to them if they feel the need to come out of the union it will be their decision the rest of us won’t stop them. So old bean keep taking the tablets and the rest of your medication because if you stop taking it the gags might dry up and we will have to find someone else to take the piss out of . Not that we will have very far to look.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 057 ElaineB
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is obvious that just say we're not going to change the status of the islands. Only exchange opinions, views, if you say belong to a democratic country should not be afraid to debate. Here only we believe and try to bring our positions on the future of the islands. I do not think being right as I know sometimes I'm not mistaken.
For example: I accept what they say about the quality of life of the Argentines, it is true that we have many social problems there is much inequality. But England also has serious problems right now with the immigrants, mostly Pakistanis. You are only 3000 people would be intolerable that there are poor there, if 200,000 people were like in my city and would class differences.
Then say nothing changes, you will continue with cold there and I at 45 ° here ..
56 Monty69 Don't forget to bow to the Queen, your colonial Governor...and is always good to bow to Mike S. too, just in case he decides to send you back home like Emma.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 Well Bulldog its nice to see you in good form pleasant even.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your navy well its always been so spend the money on the armed forces at the expense of the people.The city know they will get away with it as the periphery is so poor.They will move heaven and earth to maintain their influence even though its ever more futile but they have their pockets to think off not the poor bast... who will die in some hell hole somewhere because he hadnt a hope of a job doing anything else.
All this whilst even the North Americans realize they need to make more effort to look after their people.
But I dont think Davidito will get away this time.If the Scots go and they will do anything to stop them including assasinating Salmond if neccesary it will be the end for the City as a serious power.The North of Ireland would soon follow and Wales well did it ever matter?
As for your navy well its always been so spend the money on the armed forces at the expense of the people.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sure about that
[+] Pensions 116.7 122.1 129.3 137.5 143.3
[+] Health Care 118.3 121.3 123.8 125.5 129.8
[+] Education 88.6 90.6 93.3 89.5 90.5
[+] Defence 43.2 45.5 47.2 43.5 44.7
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/welfare_budget_2011_4.html
@XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Compared to argentina, yes we are very much champions of human rights. In just about every conceivable way! Though this is hardly a high bar
and the fact your government concentrates in indoctrinating students with propaganda while utterly ignoring argentina’s long list of crimes is little surprise.
Now for some history. Britain was demonstrably not selling slaves to southern American cotton plantations because by that time had declared a global abolition of slavery, the first in world history, and was busy enforcing this all over the world, freeing countless slaves. It is from these freed slaves the nations like Sierra Leon are descended from as havens for freed slaves. Even before this Britain was just one of dozens of nations with slavery, and far from the worst (that would most likely be the Arab states).
And as for India, the main things which delayed Indian independence was the outbreak of WW2 which forced it to be put to the side, and the sheer complexity of government in India which was split between the “princely states” which were not under direct British government, and British rule, as well as dozens of different ethnic and religious groups with different aims which made any progress slow, and British politicians were perfectly willing to negotiate with Ghandi, though they desired to see India given dominion status instead of full independence.
Of course there was much opposition to this from the more right wing ministers, but given the treatment of natives in every other empire and European colony (like argentina) this was unheard of beforehand, as was Britain exiting India peacefully afterwards.
And the vast majority of the white population in South Africa were Dutch descended Boers, the British opposed Apartheid for practical reasons as it pointlessly antagonised the non white population, and this is why south Africa declared itself a republic in the 60s.
Now what have you to say for argentina’s crimes?
O gaga - wots it like being a “planter” in south america.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 065 Braedon
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you know much about history, but no policy. The Argentine forward, south on Aboriginal land in the desert called conquest was due to the impending decision to seize Chilean Patagonia, Argentina had no choice but to move quickly to offset any gains in Chile.
Relation to oil, as you are an informed person knows that is not the same scan to explode! To exploit some facilities need more than a small port in your city. And if an ecological disaster happen? He thought of that possibility? That nation would give immediate assistance in such a contingency? Insurance will receive immediate support from England!
But I'm glad to fly to St. Helena that's a very good news for Chilean residents and other nations living in your town! It is a happiness to know that instead of only 500 km to the mainland, now must fly 5000 km over the Atlantic, with no prospect of relief, to an island to board another plane will take you to who knows where.
I admit that Argentina is more corrupt than your blessed nation but for our neighbors are better. I can assure you that if you lived on the continent you choose to Argentina as your residence. As Paraguayans do to 3,000,000, 2,000,000 bolivianos, 1,000,000 Uruguayans, etc.. If you could only provoke the envy of our neighbors, Chileans, Paraguayans, Bolivians and Brazilians to understand their nationalism with reference to Argentina. Indeed, until you define nationality in terms of not wanting to be Argentine.
Dude, England is a country several times richer than Argentina, but have a problem, you are not in English territory, but in Argentina. The problem is yours not mine. Never give up our property.
“I remember as a young boy at school listening to the radio and following really closely what happened in 1982
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron is trying to infer here that he listened to the radio.Does this old etonian want the public to think of him as someone like them and not of the ruling elite who have domestic problems which are deeply affecting the electorate and especially those who moved from labour to con/libdem.
Are these desperate people of the elite going to use the Malvinas as a rescue plan as Thatcher did in her time.Is that going to be the real reason for refusing to negotiate as per UN resolution.
We see people! I go to the beach to catch some sun and appease this heat with a dip of 45 ° C that I have in my city ..
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Larga vida a Las Malvinas”
“...if we decided to treat them as a floating population.”
Jan 09th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, you had “no choice” but to exterminate the natives and steal their land, as it might have resulted in Chile being able to ally with them against YOUR aggression. This defence is both laughable, and sickeningly pathetic, as you place all blame onto the victims and onto your enemies in order to escape any responsibility.
In terms of oil, the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was the responsibility of the US subsidiary of BP and of Halliburton, as it was their responsibility to maintain it. Rockhopper has no such poor safety record, and thus any speculation as to future disasters is utterly irrelevant. The small scale of the operation compared to larger oil businesses will also help ensure that all precautions are taken; as such a loss will be much more dangerous to smaller companies than to the larger ones.
This oil will indeed be an economic boon to the islanders, and will make the islands far more valuable for different nations to trade with. As I have said, advances in technology make distances irrelevant, the airport in St Helena’s will make it infinitely easier to keep the islanders supplied and connected. Seeing how the islanders are getting much more self sufficient and the oil industry has the potential to turn them into a major oil hub, they will be far better off without any argentine link.
If the islanders do become an oil producer, do you really think your neighbours will abide by your delusions? The moment it becomes profitable to link with the islands they will do so in a heartbeat. Hell they already care nothing about your “blockade” aside from a few token gestures.
The islanders live in territory which is 100% British due to Britain ‘s discovery, the claim it has held since 1690, the only two rivals of France and Spain dropping their claims, 200 years of British rule, and most importantly, the will of the islanders. The whole of argentina was stolen by your murderous ancestors, and you have zero rights compared to the islanders.
74 You lean over any more and Marcos will take advantage of you.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Cameron and Thatcher only see the islands as their rescue plans huh? How did old Leoparldito see them then? Some rescue plan! Worked really well! LOL!
God bless PM Cameron, God bless the Falkland Islands, and God do whatever you want with Argentina. - Millet Colorado USA
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God Bless you Millet! You're from the US so please give me your view on this one if you would be so kind. War is the last thing we would ever want to see but God forbid, if it were to happen, the Argentine side of this debate (well the lunatics on here anyway!) seem to be of the opinion that the US would side with them. I wonder if you have a view on that.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 77 here it goes again! My ancestors didn't murder anyone here. What about you killing that little toad when you were 5??? Have you got a sense of shame since that tragic day? No, I guess you haven't seen enough yet.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 067 XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''you will continue with cold there and I at 45 ° here ''
What are you talking about? We're northern europeans. We don't want 45 degrees. Is it sudddenly going to get warmer if we are ruled by Argentina?
We have 25 here today and that's plenty warm enough to frolic in the waves in nought but our sunscreen;-)
@xbarilox
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0actually they did. at some point in your family history. that or they illegally (by modern standards) occupied land after others had killed the inhabitants.
and i have never killed an animal when i was a child, you may have but i certainly did not. besides are you honestly comparing the genocide of argentine natives with a child killing a toad?!
and unlike argentine posters here, i am not advocating that innocent people be made to suffer for historical events, especially when there was nothing wrong or unjust with the event (Britain retaking the islands in 1833) compared to what argentina was doing
82 “We're northern europeans”
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You got that right, more precisely you are British squatters in Malvinas Argentinas ruled by a Queen 14000 km away.
@Marcos Alejandro
Jan 09th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you are argentine murderers and cowards, living in land you stole from innocents you butchered, and whom persist in whining about how you are somehow the victims because you failed to do the same to the islanders.
@ 85 Yes, last time I read there was something called Animal Rights, so yes, that little toad had its rights violated.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The modern idea is to get away from all violations.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not simply continue to repeat the inexcusable of the past.
Especially when the past is used as the excuse for what is done in the present.
@Pugol-H
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well argentina has broadly stated it's intentions to continue the crimes of it's past in subjugating, disenfranchising and destroying the livelihoods of the islanders, all due to its own intentional deceit over basic history, and all based on a fraudulent excuse which would apply infinitely more to argentines.
@ 87 Exactly, it is inexcusable! Like when you don't give back the islands to the Chagossians, saying to them a big NO, right?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 064 O gara (#)
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you want Cristina to run England Briton
Cristina would bankrupt us,
69 O gara
.If the Scots go and they will do anything to stop them including assassinating Salmon if necessary it will be the end for the City as a serious power. The North of Ireland would soon follow and Wales well did it ever matter?
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A bit insulting on the welsh, for a men who likes not those who deem to insult the irish, is this not [pot kettle black ]
As for Scotland and Ireland north, that’s also different from your assumptions,
No disrespect to the Scots, but England had an empire before they were united, richer and more powerful, as well as helping them and paying of all her debts, I think Scotland has done very well, brave men have died for the flag over the last 300 years, through good times and bad, at this time we are in a bit of stoom, some may find it bad, if one wishes to jump ship in the bad times, for the fools gold in Europe,
But the people will decide when the time comes, but make no mistake, you or any others if you think Britain is finished after se goes, [if she goes] remember that Scotland may or may not get her independence, but England will now be free, that’s good news for 50 million plus, and very bad news for Argentina, just an opinion .
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@ 90 do you buy your candies in a grocery or in a poopery?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0niether
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the supermarket does very well.
@89
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the British don't always get it right, but that does not mean they are always wrong.
A case by case basis is all you can do.
How much longer will Diago Garcia be there before it becomes a coral reef. At least consider this before you talk about people going back there.
77 Braedon
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did not know that you can see the future, very sure that there will be an ecological disaster that is very good for you, pray a lot for that not to happen. Because if something were to happen would Argentines beyond his wishes for the next day England he release his hand.
Braedon you have some neck accusing Argentines of murdering natives.They certainly did in a small part of the World.The English empire on the other hand did it in all parts of the world inventing ethnic cleansing and the concentration camp in the process.The crimes of the empire made Hitler look like a mere fly in comparison.Your history is the most barbaric of any nation on the planet today.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton
In another thread today you outlined the policies you wanted for your country 7 or 8 of them each one being implemented in Argentina by CFKs government in Argentina which grows rapidly as Daviditos England lurches from one recession to the next.So you are being merely disingenous here.
Everyone can have a different opinion of how different regions with states do.You have your opinion and I another
@ 93 they want to go back there and become corals themselves. what're you, their boss?
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WucOPZLQYoA&feature=relmfu
O gaga - wots it like being a “planter” in South America.
Jan 09th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 07 or 8 of them each one being implemented in Argentina
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct, governments should invest in its people, that i agree on, but their is a difference between Argentina and great Britain,
We are at a different level, [as you said yourself] we are stump by the Europeans, you are not, we have very low inflation, you do not,
But on the other hand, your debts are a lot smaller than ours,
Two totally different causes, and two totally different outcomes,
But both investing the same in part, so yes its just an opinion,
yours and mine, my policy did not change, neither has yours , but it depends how that policy in put into place,
As for the result, well Cameron reckons 2015, so we will have to wait and see,, as for Argentina, again you will have to wait and see if you grow, or go downhill,
One things for sure, argentines claims on the Falklands may well stupper her efforts to achieve anything .
a point I think .
@XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can’t see the future but I can take stock of historical precedents and make an educated guess. Whereas you seem to be rapidly running out of propaganda to spew and have nothing at your disposal to refute anything I have said. Instead you pray for an oil disaster, one which would likely be even more disastrous to argentina, just for the chance it will hurt the islanders.
Pretty much sums up how stupid argentines are on this issue
@ Pretend Irishman
Well argentina’s entire history can be summed up as slaughtering natives and whining. Britain on the other hand learned early on that dead men are very unprofitable to trade with and to rule through.
And the British empire (of which up to/over half the soldiers, sailors and statesmen were Irish) did indeed conquer many parts of the world. However it conquered through sponsoring local rulers to conquer their rivals, and then having a system of suzerainty, or through trade enforcement.
This system was profit orientated, and while far from moral, resulted in infinitely less casualties than any rival empires (which included those like Indian principalities, China and native African empires), and ensured that states incorporated into the empire would have an infrastructure including education, an economy, medicine and government. Not out of kindness, but to ensure these possessions would be profitable to trade with, and could be counted on to exist without micromanagement.
As for ethnic cleansing, it had been perfected by the Assyrians three thousand years beforehand, and concentration camps were invented by Spain. And in it’s entire history, the body count of direct british crimes was tiny compared to the deaths due to China, Muhgals, the Zulus, the French, Belgium, Spain and just about every other rival.
Argentina on the other hand did nothing but exterminate and permanently steal the land to this day, while the few surviving natives die by the hundreds in poverty and disease.
, 99 Braedon
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a point
And look how many nutters over the centuries have used ethnic cleansing,
and slaughter, from Genghis khan to the Turks,
the Germans to Stalin
How many of histories dictators and total madmen
Were British
[and taking the British to one side]
How many were European nutters
94 XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now you're praying and hoping for an ecological disaster because it's the only way you'll get what you want. Except it won't, and it would very likely affect you too. You would sacrifice millions of penguins and sealions to further your insane territorial ambitions.
Have you any idea how sick and desperate you sound?
Luckily, we have very good contingency planning and it doesn't involve you.
@briton
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ethnic cleansing and genocide were long part of humanity before even them. for example one of the earliest human skeletons discovered, 300000 years old, had been murdered and scalped alongside his tribe, and it is likely that all inter tribal war at the time resulted in the total slaughter of the other.
similarly at the dawn of the colonial empire, it did not take long for the Spanish to discover that such brutality was just as prevalent in the new world as it was in the old world, and the Aztecs were easily as brutal as the Spanish who would later replace them as the overlords of the area, acting with equal brutality in order to institute their rule.
what made Britain's empire different was that Britain (who at the time lacked the power and reach of Spain and France, and was thus forced to not directly conquer what land it was able to take in the 1700s) knew the value of keeping the natives happy and ruling areas through them in order to ensure no unnecessary wars. it also was the only empire to truly grasp the value of trade in creating a powerful and sustainable empire, which is why it became not only the most successful, but the most benign empire by comparison, as it placed value in keeping subject peoples healthy, educated and well administered.
i wont pretend it was out of kindness, as it was all aimed to maximize trading/business profits, but when compared to literally every other empire, european, african, asian and native american, it was enormously more benign and humane.
And what if that watery thing goes, inland towards Argentina,
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would he still have a smile, or perhaps realising that hopeful wishes sometimes comes back to haunt you .
101 Monty69
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Friend, I feel much anger in your heart and is that impotence and pain to know that Jamaica today decided to cut formal ties with your queen to become a fully independent state.
Islanders probably are right and Argentina never again regain sovereignty over the islands. But be assured that they will never be a sovereign country, that will never happen! They may mourn, stomping and cursing to the wind but you can be sure will always be a wandering island, no country, no nation, no identity. Never able to ride his flag by any nation of the world, will never be recognized by the UN as a sovereign state. For that to happen will have to convince 40 million Argentines who deserve a free and independent. For while there is an Argentinian who believes that the Malvinas are Argentine may not become a nation.
If you wish you can teach that to their children who are not will be Argentine. But also tell him the truth that will never be an independent country.
104 XAVIERV
Jan 09th, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I have to admit you're a bit more inventive that the usual type of trolls we get on here. Very poetic. Not much 'stomping and cursing' here today though. far too nice a day for that.
I'm very happy that the Jamaicans have decided to do what they think is best for them. I'm sure we will continue to see them at the Commonwealth Games, where the Falkland Islands flag flies proudly alongside all the other Commonwealth flags.
If we ever wanted to be independent the UN wouldn't hesitate to recognise us, and you and all the other 40 million Argentines could go pee up a rope.
However, we are very happy with our identity for now, thanks very much.
@XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0you mean the Jamaican president stated HER intention to become a republic still in the commonwealth? against it seems the wishes of the population given a recent poll by the Gleaner paper which projected that 60% believe Jamaica would have fared better had it remained an overseas territory of the UK with only 17% against.
in fact the seemingly biggest contention point between the two nations is Britain insisting Jamaica stops oppressing gays or Britain will drop investment. and if Jamaica does not wish to act in a civilized manner how does it becoming a republic hurt the UK?
and if the islanders chose to become independent they have every legal and moral right. given argentine cowardice and it's habit of attacking defenseless people, they will likely keep their British protection, like many other independent territories.
and argentina, as always will be utterly powerless to prevent it.
when their oil industry starts, the islanders will have near infinite potential to expand their horizons, and both enormously develop the infrastructure to handle the industry, and link with other nations for trade and fisheries.
argentina may whine all it can, but as it becomes increasingly clear it has now power or economic incentive to influence others, the islanders will be able to build links with dozens of different nations, enjoying both british protection, and total freedom from the unstable pseudo dictatorship of argentina which failed to subjugate them, and failed to get any real support against the islanders.
104 XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bumba Clat
“will never be recognized by the UN as a sovereign state. For that to happen will have to convince 40 million Argentines”
Jan 10th, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Something you have no control over. If the islanders wanted to become an independent state there is not one UN law or body that Argentina could take it up with. Not one. Not even the decolonisation committee as they would no longer be on the list.
What Argentina wants is irrelevant.
106 Braedon
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0They put all their hopes on oil .. Uff! What a great future awaits them if their predictions are true!
But they have stopped to think what will happen if oil is not commercially viable?
Will undoubtedly be the worst blow that will, the day the oil companies raise their camps and find better luck elsewhere forgotten God. All his dreams of grandeur will vanish like dew in the morning.
85 Braedon
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many Argentinean's ancestors were in this land long before Brutish people knew about the existence of this continent. But for someone like yourself who didn't know in the past about the failed British invasions to nowadays mainland Argentina I don't expect anything else.
#104 - so, explain Kosovo to me then. How many did they have to convince ??
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0actually the islanders are already extremely prosperous because of fisheries and tourism. Industries argentina’s already failing blockade has not even dented. The oil is just potential to be enormously richer, and even if it completely fails the islanders will have lost nothing and would still have the other industries.
Fact is though there is every indication that there is a commercially viable supply in the Falklands, and this is all but confirmed by recent studies of the well. Production will likely start in a few years, and the Islanders may well become extremely rich near overnight, as has been seen in other small oil producing states.
And thanks to argentine stupidity and ego, your country will not get a single penny one way or another. But pray all you want for disaster, as an oil slick will likely cause argentina truly gigantic damage, and given your current problems i doubt your country can sand much more before you collapse.
@Marcos
so now you are falling back on the 0.001 of your ancestry that may be partially native? Pity that means less than nothing as by that logic I am fully Native American because my great great great great great great grandfather was possibly part Sioux,
However due to argentine policy of ethnic cleansing followed by settling ONLY European immigrants on the stolen land, as well as you using the African population as cannon fodder before barring immigration from non white nations, argentina is by most estimates 90-97% European.
And once again you cling to a minor diversionary battle in a much larger war (which we won) against Spain’s colony (which would only later become argentina) as if it is an actual achievement by argentina, despite it being Spain’s victory, and despite the battle being utterly unimportant to the war, and tiny compared to other battles at the time, but given how argentina so sorely lacks actual historical achievement or glory it’s no surprise you insist on whining about Spain’s minor victory.
111 Lord Ton
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will be a pleasure to bring clarity to your question sir!
Kosovo is limited not only by Yugoslavia but also by Montenegro and Albania. Furthermore, within the European continent is only minutes by air from major European cities. It is easier to become an independent state with little effort when you can communicate and trade with other nations on earth.
Now to the status of your “Country” .. The Falklands limited to the north by the Atlantic Ocean several “minutes” of London, the east by the Atlantic Ocean more minutes of Cape Town, South Atlantic Ocean to the South Pole a few seconds and west .. Ohh .. no! With the Argentine Sea, followed by the Americas and of the country populated by Argentine damn!
Of course, as I did not realize! If the position of the islands is identical to that of Kosovo.
You can follow chupándote the toes if you want.
The Falklands are not even 'minutes' away!
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not to the people that live there. And of course you should remember, that distance merely makes the heart grow fonder!
The Falklands are in the EU already, a trick that Mercosur seems unable to achive.
So the Falklanders communicate and trade quite successfully with other nations on earth. A little like Kosovo according to your, rather wierd, argument :-)
112 Braedon
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do not want a penny of its oil, it can stay and take any Swiss bank if they want, while you also will not claim anything as you're not greedy.
If there is a ecological disaster and the mainland was damaged because of an illegal logging without authorization of Argentina, create friends who have a serious problem not only with Argentina but with the whole American continent to the U.S. included.
Needless to say, of English public opinion, they would lose all support of the British population.
112 Braedon American?
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder your numbers and facts are so wrong, you must be a mix of American/Brutish.
Can you find your country on a map?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
114 Lord Ton
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0All very enlightening from you my dear sir.
But the question is, if you reach all that you describe to become an independent state. And the answer is a resounding NO!
Kosovo had the support of Western nations, it took a real intervention of NATO to become a sovereign country.
You guys will never be so lucky! They are far from their homeland to expect something similar to any western passive care of you luck. And the sad thing is that I know well, though not admit it.
@XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0oh so THATS why you have been shrieking to the world that Britain is stealing “YOUR” oil, and desperately demanding that your neighbors stop the islanders from building their industry, all the while calling them and Britain thieves... because you don't want it.
and how would an oils slick in an area which would exclusively affect argentina be of concern to the US? i doubt even Brazil will care much other than issue some platitude (as usual)
neither will this lose the islanders any popular support, as the British population, unlike your country's population, is not so bitter, brainwashed and spineless as argentina's and has zero reason to blame the islanders.
and besides this you still have not explained how this supposed “certain” oil slick supposed to occur? what evidence have you to prove this? how many times has such a disaster occurred under Rockhopper or Desire Petroleum's supervision?
of course we both know the answer, you have zero evidence to think so, and instead you, spineless coward that you are, simply pray for it to happen, despite the damage it will do argentina, just because it may somewhat disappoint the islanders.
which all in all sums up argentina. A delusional, hypocritical, spineless wreck with an unearned superiority complex and delusions of grandeur, power, and importance which demands to be exempt from all international laws, and be given special treatment and immunity from criticism while whining non stop about those that defy you and demanding that the international law you hold in such contempt be twisted to attack your enemies.
Yet you are also so desperate for attention and sympathy to stroke your grossly inflated ego, that you will happily suffer any disaster or humiliation, so long as the object of your obsession might suffer as well.
Even North Korea has yet to reach this level of abject Fuckness
#17 - Wrong again.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kosovo has some support and some recognition. Last time I looked it was not enough to be invited to join the UN, but then that's not actually the point.
The de facto situation is that Kosovo is an independent entity, a Nation.
Recognition by only one other Sovereign Nation would have been sufficient.
And if the Islanders decide to go for independence, recognition by the UK will be all that is required. I should point out that currently the Islanders wish to remain a British Overseas Territory. That is their choice.
More than one Sovereign State already recognises that decision :-)
118 Braedon
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand friend, do not worry, I know what causes impotence and anger to the person. I teach high school in a school they attend treatment 3000 children and adolescents continuously only know his anger with violence.
Put calm in his being, if the arguments are over and it is only in the offense easier to release my knowledge. It's not my fault or yours that we are neighbors. Nature wanted their islands are within our territory. I wish you were closer to their nation in order to justify their irrational views but the truth is that we have to us and that's not going to change because it alters more or less.
Go to rest that it is safe tomorrow afternoon and must attend to his sheep.
Nature !
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you teach - idiocy ??
Or assumptions?? You sure know how to make those :-))
119 Lord Ton
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Friend at a time sink deeper in the sand, so far all I've read is that they want to be an independent state and stop being a British overseas territory.
If you just need the recognition of UK to be a country, they expect? Go off to that possibility! Or is that all their verbiage is fireworks? Because no concrete thing at once?
We both know that will never happen, will never be an independent country. Because if they could be and what would be years ago!
121 Lord Ton
I am not offended by your statement my students say rude things. I'm used to dealing with young minds like yours.
I am an excellent teacher in mathematics and a good law student. Not to mention that I have a degree in astronomy. I am passionate about reading and women. And lately I've been dedicated to exchanging views with a somewhat bewildered islanders.
@XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes im sure you know all about impotence. and a teacher? wow, you get the government propaganda direct from the source and are responsible for shoving it down the throats of students. outstanding.
but please do not confuse amused contempt for anger. anger needs direct and active hurt done to me or those i have an interest in to exist. argentina has done neither. i hold amused contempt for argentina due to the amusing hypocrisy, the self obsessed posturing, and the delusions of victim-hood. all of which combine to create a truly amusing joke of a nation.
and trying to pretend you have any intellectual high ground is similarly funny as you and your countrymen have done absolutely nothing to refute anything i have said, either in terms of logical argument, or in terms of sources.
instead you flee from subject to subject, desperately trying to find somewhere where you may have a chance to win, yet in every subject and in every debate, you still end up losing.
just try and refute anything i have said above, or demonstrably prove anything you have argued, with reputable (i.e. independent, verifiable and non propaganda) sources to back you up
Then let us deal with your assumptions, which I would have thought was a bad habit for a teacher - for example, I am not an Islander. I am British. Actually I am English, then British. In the same way that an Islander is a Falklander, then British.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0AS for them wanting independence, NO, there is no great move there. It is mentioned occassionally, but it would appear that most of them would prefer to be Falklanders/British. For now anyway.
The choice is theirs. That is right!
And yes, recognition by only one country is quite sufficient. Not very practical I grant you, but sufficient.
I used to teach, the law amongst other subjects. I would never claim to be good at it ... too easy to get tripped up 20 seconds after the claim had been made.
I read constantly, history figures quite prominently, still passionate about women too, although I can't remember why :-)
Bewildered? I doubt it. The Islanders know far more about their history than Argentines do, far more about the their rights too. Not bewildered, besieged perhaps.
You need to read more - http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
123 Braedon
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say you won the debate just because you say so? I did not know you were the one that marked the rhythm of the debate and I had to keep his game.
Setting the Record Straight.
* Discussion on sovereignty. Your island will never be an independent state. He lost the debate.
* Kosovo, his bad comparison. He lost the debate.
* Oil is only just in the imagination of you. You can never trade or a barrel. He lost the debate.
Tomorrow we, heat suffocates me, bathe me and I will lie down to sleep. I give a few days to improve its case today enough is enough.
@XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0no i say so because you gave no argument or source which refuted my arguments, and when i refuted yours you ran away and tried throwing different issues in to cover up.
in the discussion about sovereignty you failed to say how argentina would legally prevent the islands from being independent, and you also failed to say how you could economically, politically or militarily prevent this.
and as for Kosovo, it seems that almost every nation which does not recognize Kosovo is trying to prevent secession of it's own, and as the UN charter and the ICJ fully recognize Kosovo, as well as half the world, their non recognition is meaningless and without legal consequence.
and the presence of oil has been confirmed by both desire and rockhopper. and production is set to start in a few years. the power and influence of oil is enormous, and precedent shows that nations are certain to trade with stable, reliable nations or territories for this oil, regardless of the attitude of others. for example if Iran can trade oil despite US opposition, then the islanders can trade oil with zero regard for the third world joke with a crumbling economy and non existent military.
if you have any source, legal argument or proof for your own argument, or to refute mine, then go right ahead
Lord Ton
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit you have a lot sir for earning my admiration as fair opponent. He objected only a couple of offenses that I did, but subtracting it, I have read his words carefully when opinion. I apologize if at any time I spoke to you in a rude manner.
I understand that just trying to defend their “country” unfortunately the Argentines feel that this “country” is part of our territory. That makes us an unbridgeable difference of positions on the issue and that will not change anytime soon.
If you think we will continue at another time because now I am resting and preparing my bags to go on vacation.
Have you a good day tomorrow. A big hug!
Hasta pronto. Enjoy your vacation :-)
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Braedon
Jan 10th, 2012 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0While you were more assertive in dealing with me on different topics, so I feel justified because you are a person more passionate than rational, that does not detract but it helps when you want to make their case.
Surely we will discuss later as absents me a week.
Have you a good day tomorrow. My respects.
@118 Braedon,
Jan 10th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Braedon, you have won me with your words.♥
Being a basic earthy soul, myself, l admit that l could never have penned such a masterpiece that must be repeated!
“-which sums up Argentina,
a delusional, hypocritical, spineless wreck with an unearned superiority complex & delusions of grandeur, power & importance which demands to be exempt from all international laws & be given special treatment & immunity from criticism while whining non stop about those that defy you & demanding that the international law you hold in such contempt be twisted to attack your enemies”
Love it. Pure poetry.♥
XAVIERV,
You are still wrong, no matter how hard you try.
You have never owned these lslands & never will.
Sorry for you mate, but you'll just have to accept it.
Worth repeating again.....
Jan 10th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina:-a delusional, hypocritical, spineless wreck with an unearned superiority complex & delusions of grandeur, power & importance which demands to be exempt from all international laws & be given special treatment & immunity from criticism while whining non stop about those that defy you & demanding that the international law you hold in such contempt be twisted to attack your enemies”
125 XAVIERV
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've got the wrong end of the stick old chap.
No Falkland Islander in here has sever said they wanted independence. We don't want it, not now. And if we ever did want it, you wouldn't be able to stop it.
You could decide not to recognise us, but that wouldn't make any difference.
You can disagree with that if you like, but that isn't 'winning the argument'. Is that the kind of teacher you are....' I'm right now shut up'?
And before you patronise me any more, we have teachers here as well you know, and I was practising behaviour management on unruly adolescents when you were still in short trousers.
57
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0nothing has changed......all continues the same, you are right
there isnt and wasnt a blockade, the ships (fishery, scientific) can enter with british flags
warships of britain cannot enter in SA.....its your problem if you train your troops, your prince there or if you want to practice with missiles in a territory in dispute of a peaceful region. the southamerican continent is without conflicts and doesnt need your warships near for any reason.
@ 132 Monty
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1998-99 during the first phase of Oil exploration, Mike Summers -who was on Executive Council in the Falklands at the time actually said publically that should Oil be discovered around the Islands he would lead a call for Independence from Britain and he was widely supported from within the community.
@134 then they shall have independence. I should think that the only people who would have a problem with this would be the argentines......
Jan 10th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134...Mike Summers is one of a number of a number of politicians and a poll of the full population, might not agree with all his ideas.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0134 dreyfoss
Jan 10th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said 'in here' as in this forum.
Independence is very much an option when the time is right. There will be a full debate and a referendum before anything happens. Britain would support us whatever we decided to do.
Mike Summers, if my memory doesn't fail, is a former Legco turned to tourism operator, and used to own a fishing boat ilegally operating in Argentine waters until caught in the act. No wonder he hates Argentines, thet may disrupt his personal good local business!
Jan 10th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0138 Argie
Jan 10th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your memory does fail. I don't think a single thing about your post is true.
69 O gara--- Pleasant well it is the start of a New Year isn't it, must remember not to get too carried away with being to pleasant as it’s not in my nature to be pleasant with people like you or people from Argentina.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now what's all this about us not looking after our own people? I think you will find if you open your blinkered eyes that no one is homeless unless they choose to be, no one starves to death, we all get good treatment at our hospitals and doctors, we give good hand-outs even to people that have chosen not to put anything into the system, even any Argentine could come here on holiday and get free treatment if he or she fell ill. Pity the Botox woman did not come over when she felt something was wrong and her doctors told her she had cancer and then when she went under the knife she had to be told nope we got it wrong, could you see that happening to our Queen or any of our Prime ministers?
Well that's the pleasantries done with for this year. Now of course you fuckwit we spend money on our armed forces if it wasn't for Country's like Argentina you fuckwit we could spend far less but those fuckwits just don't get it do they, it’s like talking to brick wall in fact a fucking brick wall has more sense than those inbred parasites in Argentina and has more dialogue.
We also have told the Scots that they can hold a referendum if they want so why should we assassinate that fuckwit Salmond who incidentally quite a few of the Scots who want Independence despise. Now please keep up fuckwit Northern Ireland PEOPLE would rather be part of the Crown that's why they did not go down the same rout as the Southern Irish who gained independence who again dimwit we helped bail with 11 billion out last year when they went broke.
And another thing before I go we English eat, went to bed, fucked, and got up kicked arse eat a bit more then kicked more arse and did quite nicely from it all. Yes that little small country up North took on the whole of the world and then ga
and then.....
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Strangely, the word HATE does not appear in my comment, PR*CK!
Jan 10th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 P*SS OFF, D*CKHEAD.
@43 Pahe 3? You mean Page 3 PR*T. Bet mine's bigger than yours. By about 6 inches! Have fun. Keep on bending.
@51 You don't get the point. It's not that you have several flaws. You are a flaw.
@55 Told you before to quit quoting irrelevant resolutions. Last chance. Constantly quoting irrelevant resolutions is abuse. Can you tell what will happen next?
@59 Dreaming! Sorry. Psychotic!
@73 Sorry, numbnuts. No-one is occupying argie territory. The Falkland Islands are NOT argie territory. They have NEVER been argie territory. They NEVER will be argie territory. Get used to it, loser!
@84 And why would the Islanders want to be ruled by QUEERS 400 miles away?
@89 Try to some research. There are no such things as Chagossians.
@110 And how many did you exterminate?
@115 Do we have a problem putting bullets through argie heads? We do not. Problem solved.
@120 You “teach”? Don't be ridiculous. I've read all your comments and it is clear that you don't have the intelligence to “teach”. Spouting government propaganda is not “teaching”. Miserable git!
@122 You are only “excellent” and “good” by argie standards. For everyone else, you are crap.
@129 Why don't you do the world a favour and not return from your “vacation”? Follow the example of thousands of your countrymen. Swim from Argentina to Uruguay underwater. No scuba gear now!
Let's approach this in a reasonable manner. argies with an IQ of 70 or less should be exterminated. That should get rid of at least 30 million. Then we should exterminate “teachers”.
Would there be any point to the rest of the hate-filled, genocidal, belligerent, meaningless queer population?
Amazing what you can find on the internet :-)
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandia.com/Timeline/Introduction.htm
Like a moth drawn to light I keep getting drawn to this ever ending debate that quite frankly, has become boring, as the theme never changes no matter what news began the bloggers comments. I am interested due to the fact that I invested so much personally in the freedom of the islands in 1982. The much debated history of the islands sovereignty has been twisted and bent so much by Argentina it makes them look stupid when confronted with the truth that 'ostrich' like, they bury their heads in the sand and ignore it as if it might go away.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, surprise surprise, it won't go away and the truth will always prevail. Stop trying to compare other historical events to justify your lies, this simply adds to your ignorance. The world has changed so much since the dark ages that trying to punish the people of today for the mistakes (as seen today) made hundreds of years ago will return to bite you on your stupid arses!
Please, shut up and try and understand that the islands belong to its inhabitants and they alone must make decisions on who governs them and shares in their wealth, not Britain, not Argentina, not anyone, SO SHUT THE F**K UP!
@143
Jan 10th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one
I started out with an opinion that the Islands were British. An opinion based more on faith than any real knowledge. I have finished with the same opinion, although now I hope that the historical evidence speaks for itself. And that's a different problem. History has no real conclusion, it just keeps happening, so I'm not going to conclude either. I am aware that there are better historians, and better legal minds, doing that already, and I eagerly await their opinions.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This pseudo historian is deeply flawed.He needs to stop posturing as a historian and be satisfied to be known as a blogger.
You don't approach a study with a theory as a detective would,you approach it with an open mind.Maybe you use a hypothesis to make sense of the information but not a theory.
On a subject as large as the one in question,you must draw on a wide range of resources and examine them,not just the ones that tie in with the theory.This project would take far longer than a few weeks,and collating these facts you have discovered and putting them on websites does not impress at all.
You need to engage in discussions and listen to all sides if you want to stop making a fool of yourself.You are in danger of sounding as idiotic as the hero Conqueror.And he can only be offensive,which is nothing to be proud of,is it?
146 Who are you?
Jan 10th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143: lordtroll: Amazing LIE!
Jan 10th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad uk will loose the battle......why do you waste time in a lost cause...
146 Yuleno
Jan 10th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good thinking, but do not share your conclusions. Finally think like a true statesman (Pérez Esquivel, Lamas, Gandhi, Luther King and other Nobel Peace prize, both British and Argentine.) And abandon the thought of a warmonger or anything holligans benefits humanity
They understood the problems of humanity have a picture. Making a continuous analysis of historical context and social processes in continuous development.
I started with the view that the islands are Argentine and still saying the same thing
An opinion based, like you, more on faith than from a true knowledge. I'm finished with the same opinion, but now I hope that the historical understanding speaks for itself and that, as you say, is a big problem differently. s on the faith of true knowledge. I'm finished with the same opinion, but now I hope that the historical evidence speaks for itself, and that's a different problem.
Without arrogance, have taken a big step to try to give a solution that complies with all parties.
“There are no roads to peace, peace is the way.”
thanks
80 Bruce, to answer you question about which side I think the USA would support in the Falkland/Argentina dispute if it came to war. As to my feelings of which side the USA would support in the Falkland Islands/Argentina debate, I would say it depends on the time. If obama is still in office I believe he would support Argentina. However, this coming November is the presidential election in the USA. If the Republican candidate is elected (God please let this happen - anybody but obama), then surely, without a single doubt, the USA would support the UK position. - Millet USA
Jan 10th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Millet. That is interesting. I'm sure all of the Brits risking their lives in the war on terror will be very confused to hear that but nonetheless, you may well be correct. Good luck to us all in November.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As long as words like freedom and democracy is backed up by civilised people,
Then the time of the indocronoughts dictators and deluded nutters, are coming to an end,
One by one they bite the dust, and despite all the mouth and anti rhetoric-
Despite all the insults and bragging, Argentina will go the same way .
Long live great Britain .
152 British
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite all the insults and bravado, Argentina will follow the same path.
Long live Britain.
Dear British:
Of course, long life in Britain, long live Argentina, long live America, long live the world, long live humanity. That's the point.
With all due respect, these doctrines so obsessed with colonialists and imperialists, who do not accept other ways of thinking, especially in Latin America. Thinking differently is the most normal thing in democracy and freedom ...
When we say that in these years Nestor and Cristina Kirchner established as state policy on disarmament and non-violence and bet on the dialogue and peace among peoples, a decision has not been exclusive to them (Nestor and Cristina Kirchner) .
This decision was accompanied by all the Argentine political spectrum from right to left politics of the country from 1983 onwards to claim on all international forums, the truth of the Falklands conflict.
The struggle undertaken by our country and have started kirchner is similar to the civil rights struggle led by Luther King in the U.S. or Perez Esquivel (Nobel Peace Prize) in their struggle for human rights against the dictatorship and claims of military dialogue in the Falklands conflict.
On the Falklands, Cristina said must be met “10 UN resolutions have called for Britain to sit down and negotiate our sovereignty,” and stressed “the duty of all members to accept” the resolutions of the Assembly.
That it comes to fulfilling resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 ( 39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Committee of the United Nations decolonization.
Thank you.
153# I am awaiting the response from the sleeping giant,lordton,in regard to his claim to supplying the UN with his expertise on the Malvinas.He is the one British poster who must agree that the Malvinas exist,that Argentina claims the territory as Argentinian territory,and that all the south America supports that position,as does Russia,China and many other countries.I am looking forward to him admitting all that or him revealing the faulty nature of his historical work.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuk - glad you like it.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rolly - looking back, most true statesmen start wars !
Rolly - things that don't do anything, don't show any signs of life, and are very old are normally termed - dead! As those Resolutions indeed are.
As for Peace, that'll depend upon Argentina giving up its spurious claim !
153 Raul
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 UN resolutions have called for Britain to sit down and negotiate our sovereignty
As stated on the other blogg
You prove it show my the article in the document that clearly stats in English the following
The UN calls on great Britain to sit down and negotiate Argentinean sovereignty, ]
This I have got to see,
Raul
PROVE THIS, AND I WILL GIVE UP MY BRITISH PASPORT AND BECOME ARGENTINE
IF YOU CANNOT PROVE IT
You and your fellow bloggers publicly tell the world you are a bunch of liars [respectfully]
Adios
.THIS I HAVE GOT TO SEE
Who cares what the USA, China, Argentina, the UN who the hell else thinks about the Falklands, as long as the islanders want to remain as they are and the UK will happily support those wishes, then it does not matter what any of you frigging morons think no matter how studious you profess to be on the subject. Back to my previous advice, SHUT THE F**K UP!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0#153 Raul,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really admire that effort and energy you spend using good manners with people certainly unworthy of your words.
Rationality, patience and good will is a gift from heaven, I'm glad you've received, becomes an example to me, thanks.
#150 Millet & #151 Briton: If there is a second war, the US will maintain the same position it has *always* held: official neutrality, and unofficially aiding the UK (satellite data, etc).
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “special relationship” is not nearly as broken as the press likes to make out, in order to sell newspapers. If it was, the UK would have left Afghanistan in 2009 and left the Americans to fend for themselves.
Colonial clarifications: The French & Indian War the French to ally with some tribes and the Brits / Colonists with others. I have an ancestor from Virginia who took part. They all tried to kill each other in various 13 colonies. It was expensive for the Brits, so they imposed a tax on the colonists. Thus, the American revolution, also fought for colonial representation in Parliament, to end illegal search / seizures, and heavy tariffs / regulations on crops and imports / exports, meant to benefit British investment schemes. , and the tariffs and controls placed on colonial goods. These companies (East India, etc) were the equivalent of today's Hedge fund masters influencing American Congress (shivers).
After the initial revolution, Americans bought Louisiana (and Western America) sent settlers west, and dislodged tribes (and killed them regularly). General Jackson invaded (and annexed) Northern Mexico, and ordered the Trail of Tears extermination of Indians.
When the Brits took over the Falklands, they had already abolished slavery. The USA continued for another 35 years. Don't blame Brits for atrocities that belong to the Americans. We fought a war over the subject, killed off 10% of the male population, traumatized everyone and led to the assassination of our best, most visionary president.
Yet approximately 50% of the US population consists of families who came after the Civil war and Indian wars ended. The same is true in Argentina. They never held slaves or killed natives. Maybe they were even slaves /serfs in their homelands.
No slaves in Argentina ?? Hmm ... I'll have a look at that, as I recall some mention of a couple of slaves on the Islands. Can't remember from where. Lexington's report maybe ..... I'll take a look through my notes!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0ok mr camoron when will you take the british illegal aliens back to UK ? as simple as that or maybe we should let Argentine develop a nuclear defence program to protect main land Argentina from more theft, or is UK coming for more ???? o yes the oil and the fish and the Argentine ports.....
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0153#&154#
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul-As you see,your quest for openness and an honest approach to the issue is NOT shared by Lordton.he refuses to do that.What he likes to do,is to maintain a colonial superiority posture,posing as a historian advising the UN on the issue.He then expects others to believe this one sided position,or he will not engage in the search for justice.Hence the response I got while I allowed him to search the Internet for a response,concluded with --
Yuk - glad you like it.
He didn't even attempt a response.
My friend,this is the problem with people who dismiss UN resolutions because they don't like them.This is the truth,peace is a process that needs to be nurtured,like one nurtures a child.
This is the truth,peace is a process that needs to be nurtured,like one nurtures a child.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What like brain washed argie kids
http://www.argentina-rree.com/documentos/culture_escude.htm
The study of successive generations of Argentine geography texts brings out the genesis of Argentina's territorial myths, which is a process that looks like an ever-growing snowball running down a hill. Indeed, the last myth to be introduced in the texts, that states that the Argentine Antarctic Territory is and should be Argentine, among other reasons, because it once belonged to Spain, was identified for the first time in two 1984 texts,
Responding to idiots rarely get one anywhere. But I am still glad you liked it.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cannot beat the truth Yuk - and it's out there. Do some research, point out where I'm wrong. Or live with the truth - painful though it may be.
There are no UN Resolutions concerning the Falklands. All long dead!!
Why produce one every year between 1982 and 1988 and then suddenly .... stop?? The UN must have become ... satisfied !
And no new Resolution since 1988 - how do you explain that Yuk ??
There is already peace. Only Argentina disturbs it :-)
Well lordton,are you regaining some confidence.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't know about UN resolutions,the next time you are advising that body on the dispute,ask them to explain it to you.Please dont expect me to work for you,I don't have the problem.But it is obvious that your prime minister is aware of something.I know Cameron get loose with his language and has to apologise for it(a bit like Bush for gaffes),but in this case he is trying to reassure people that in won't submit to international pressure.Don't know why he feels the need to do that but that's what he's done.
NO reply then,,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we can take it the Argies were and are lying all along,
The wheels of indoctrination process, is turning on and on,
No one believes you anymore .
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This little Benny Hill fan keeps on discarding this idea on a daily basis ... I wonder why that is ... Le diria tambien que corte con los postres al goprdito
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0167 mjprando
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another CFK soldier are you? You sound like another Argie we have on here who thinks disjointed English and abusive Espanol is clever. Clue: it is not.
167 mjprando
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Benny hill was funny
You are not,
For every decent brit, theirs an insulter
A bit like your usurper, but this ones not as clever .
Dream on Yuk :-)
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stick it up your junta:
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Antarctica is a whole different animal from the Falklands. The Falklands are British (I say this an an Argentine). The Argentine Antarctic Territory is to be rightfully Argentine when all is set and done. And so will the Chilean, Australian, New Zealand and South African sectors. In Antarctica's case, it is the UK's claim which is beyond flimsy (some guys running around there 100 years ago), and Argentina's is a million time stronger (geography, cordilleran continuation, longest permanent presence, first year-round settlement, first human born there, no prior human population)... many of those are arguments used in sustaining British sovereingty in the Falklands, and which I respect.
The same shall be in the Antarctic when the treaty expires.
I would not accept that Britain's case to its Antarctic territories is flimsy. Quite the contrary. Guys running around there 100 years ago is still a better claim that an Argentine running around there 75 years ago. Obviously I know that our claims go back rather further than 100 years.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try - 'FEAR AND LOATHING IN THE SOUTH POLE: THE NEED TO RESOLVE THE ANTARCTIC SOVEREIGNTY ISSUE AND A FRAMEWORK FOR DOING IT' by Kevin Tray
Sorry about the capitals, it's a cut and paste - available on the internet.
If/when, the Antarctic Treaty breaks Argentina is unlikely to be amongst the players. The USA, Russia and China have all reserved their positions. There's more likely to be a war than there is any peaceful occupation. Just hope that Treaty lasts !
@171:
Jan 12th, 2012 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina were Johnny-come-latelys when it comes to making claims in Antarctica, so they probably have one of the weaker claims, I'm afraid (especially as their claims compete with earlier ones). If the Antarctic Treaty ever does get rewritten to allow claims to proceed (which is unlikely), then Argentina will definitely have some serious negociating to do (first they will have to learn how the grown-ups do diplomacy). A compromise with Chile and the UK would probably be the only viable way forward, as Argentina's claim is completely overlapped by claims from those two countries (which each have a portion that only they claim either side of it).
p.s South Africa does not have a claim in Antarctica.
The last two respones have proven the shifting of the goal posts when it is convenient I have always noticed, or should we say when the argument is inconvenient. There can't be a serious discussion like that.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Accuse Argentina of belligerancy and not following “modern times”, but then defend the USA, China, and Russia grabbing Antarctica, apparently with the UK's full support I guess . So where is the civilized comport that we are supposed to learn from the north there?
Guys running around 100 years ago is no basis at all. Planting a flag has NEVER in the history of the world been a basis for claiming land. Either war, or colonization (Falklands), has been. Or are we ready to hand over California to Argentina, if that is a basis?
I will not get drawn into an argument into which claim is older or better. It seems however always rather convenient that in this forum at least, Argentina is always at the short end... such unfortunate country now. Or, maybe there is a lot of posturing, doubtful sources, or simple misinformation.
There should be a discussion, with Chile, about Antarctica. Heck, I'm not even opposed the UK getting a slice. What I wanted to prove here was, no matter what the issue, it seems that the goal of many here is to shut out Argentina from all discussions, even if it did act civilized. So then why act civilized, if I may play devil's advocate?
maybe Argentina will“claim”the Arctic & the Sahara desert next.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0or maybe the moon,
well it shines on Argentina so it must be theirs
lsolde, you are throwing hyperbole. The UK is 3/4 of the way to the North Pole and is claiming land in the south Pole. Anyway, I realize the posters on this bored are rabid anti-argentine zealots or perfervid Malvinas votaries. I have no illusions of changing anyone's mind here, nor do I care honestly. But redacting sensibility and reality to an otherwise wacky message bored does bring me satisfaction in that I smack both sides with the dose of real world. One where other south Americans do not hate Argentines, where the UK is not speaking Chinese, and were Argentina's economy is collapsing like Haiti's.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't read it then ... just going off on blind faith, like the rest of your countrymen.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will get the short end, if only because it works off faith and not evidence, historical or legal.
And I am not defending the US or Russia, merely stating the truth of it.
Geography is unimportant! But obviously the legal position does not matter to you.
It is in fact you who employs hyperbole.
Tobias,you must understand that these British people thinkTHINK, they are correct in everything that matters to them.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You moved the thread from Malvinas to Antarctica and they followed quite willingly.And Russia and China,the very countries that support Argentina's claim on the Malvinas issue is used,in the British reply,to add weight to their claim to the Antarctic.That is exactly their method of arguing.It's not about justice or fairness,it's about trying to bully.They are paper tigers as Mao would say.
Do you know about international law,Tobias.That discipline what be a great asset.You could advise me as to whether Mr Cameron has transgressed in his refusal to negotiate remark
Hi Isolde! you stole that of “the moon”, i´ve already said that about british. but that´s ok, that´s the way you´re ;)
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't THINK Yuk - we KNOW :-)
Jan 12th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0get used to it!
139 Monty69: I'm afraid that Michael Victor Summers MLA, OBE (forgot to mention the Order before, sorry), a former FIDC's CEO, was a voted member of Legco, later LegAss, for no less than 13 years, then kicked out until a recent by-election when he found himself massively voted back into it, perhaps because he knows well where the cookie crumbles and can manage the means to correct any deviations. As far as my memory goes, he apparently co-owns with very close relatives a F.I's tourism company, and his name appeared in the news as co-owner of a large squid jigging (or fishing) vessel that was once warned by an FAA plane to leave Argentine waters. Nothing to write home about, but let's keep records straight. Cheers!
Jan 12th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@168 Hahaha I would never vote CFK, I never did and I never will ...
Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See you later you fake brit !
As I understand things the Antartic treaty is still in force and will remain so for several decades before renewal.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As to the territorial claims, many nations including ours have strong ones. This would be a matter more open to negotiation than the Falklands.
We would very strongly defend our case pointing to the great contributions to Antartic exploration made by British explorers and the ongoing work of the British Antartic Survey. There is no way we would abandon the area, particularly South Georgia.
I would concede that Argentina likewise has strong claims based on your own efforts in the area.
The Chinese may take more of an interest as their blue water navy capabilities grow, but I would think that the USA would be the big player here for the next 20 odd years. This is because of their experience in operating in place like Alaska and Antartica itself, coupled with a very strong navy.
I would think that the hostile nature of the Antartic environment would preclude an attempt at large scale resource extraction for some time. Besides, the international scientific cooperation there is something that I personally would hate to see destroyed by bickering. It's one area where we get things right as a species, there aren't a lot of those.
182 mjprando
Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well 36.6% of the eligible vote did. If the Govt figures can be believed.
Let us not be coy here, Antartica is the real prise. With global warming land will appear there , and the world will need it as land disapears elsewhere.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Part of the reason for Argentina's vehermence now is because with the exploitation of the region becoming ever more possible, and the British in the Falklands one side and Chile the other they are squezed out.
In the past it was academic as there was no possibility of exploiting the region.
Make no mistake as soon as possible it will be exploited.
Look at the Artic devision, Norway in, Sweden out, denmark in because of Greenland. This is what is worrying the argentinian political class.
They don't want to be like Sweden, and without the falklands/south georgia they would be out.
Lord Ton,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are going on about blind faith that your side is always righteous, and the other always nefarious. Again, no history account is 100% factual vs. another. Land back to Earth. Your hatred of Argentina has blinded you just as much as those you attack on their blindness to the reality of the Falklands.
On top of that you wrote to me “rest of your countrymen”... Such generalizations rarely win points in an argument as they smack of either arrogance, ignorance, or neither arrogance or ignorance but vacuousness.
And finally, woudn't your statements of the USA, China, and Russia and their possible behavior in Antarctica in the end prove Argentina's point? That outside powers are “pirates”, and the the UK was once so? Inadvertedly you by predicting future behavior (perhaps based on past behavior?), proved what many zealous argies have been saying... :o
For all the accussations of not following the rule of law against Argentina (valid accussations), that would prove countries in the north have no moral ground to call the kettle black.
I believe that the problem lies not in who owns the South Atlantic islands (and Antarctica, or any other territory in - for now - the Solar System) but rather in who can fearless occupy, use, defend and take due care of it for as long as it needs.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentine politicians had not pushed our country down a cliff in 1943 and from then on (not to mention other death jumps before this one) and her population had decided to keep the power (strategic industry, huge and cheap agriproduction, no debts, high reserves and no inflation were part of her power) that the country was able to produce and sustain indefinitely instead of maintaining corrupt populist regimes that spent all the hard won savings and threw the country to the dogs, then we might have had quite a different position to negotiate anything we may wish to, and even the islands' current population could have had a pretty different opinion of us.
But we failed badly in this, got the worst possible marks in our day-by-day homework and thus lost, the 'last train to London...'
So there's no point to discuss anything, here or anywhere else, at all and at any levels, until we are back on our feet. And this, dear pals, can take more than two or three generations of strenuous work.
Tobias# you are correct,lordton would prefer arrogant,to ignorant,but I will be happy with biased and lacking in attention to detail.The English saying is to try to make a round peg fit a square hole.Chiao
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then the point is being proven, that for all the consternation and righetous indignation of Argentina's lack of civilized discussion (have seen this remark many times here, it's mostly true of course especially in the K era)... that “they” are no better than Argentina in this regard?
You have said it, I suggested it, and many British posters here when feeling the need for an agressive response bring it up: the issue of military might trumping treaties and civilized comity.
Argentina is accused of not being a grown up in its foreign policy, yet it is constantly insinuated that if push comes to shove, the big superpowers will sweep in and make their will. How dare then they accuse Argentina of lacking honor and civility, when they see no problem with weapons drowning talk?
189 tobias
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Err! I think you have something (as we English say) a bit arsy-versy here (backwards).
I have only been on the site for a few weeks but I have to say the threats and intimidation from the likes of Pratt-Junta (kill all the pirats(sic)) and many others is beyond belief. Especially when you have no means whatsover of making good on the threats.
“How dare then they accuse Argentina of lacking honor and civility” you ask? Very simply put: it's because that is what you appear to be lacking in.
Chris,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You completely equivocated. Sorry.
I only discovered this forum yesterday, so please forgive me for knowing nothing about “Pratt-Junta”.
Your attempt at equivalency between a lowly threat at a discussion forum online that any fool with an internet connection can make, and real geopolitical scenarios is utterly risible.
And furthermore, justifying your side making threats based on the fact that you CAN is even more disturbing of a belief system, and again, plays exactly into the point I was making and you avoided by placing the excuse of internet fodder.
How is it defensible to call yourself “civil” and the other side “savaje”, yet the civil side reserves the right for belligerancy and abrogation of treaties or basic charters if the need arises?
Sorry, but that is wrong. :)
I would not confuse some of the Argentinians on this site with all Argentinians.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do know many argentinians who are not lacking in either honor or civility.
But I guess they have their share of muppets as well.
The English saying is to try to make a round peg fit a square hole .Chiao
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the English, nothing is impossible,
And if the square hole is big enough, the round peg, will fit into it, [will it not]
Argentina is accused of not being a grown up in its foreign policy,. How dare then they accuse Argentina of lacking honour and civility
[][ 1982, that takes care of your honour and civility ]
As for being grown up,
CFK insulting the prime minister, to the amazement of the world,
Your childish attitude to the Falkland islanders .
[does that help ]
and we are BRITISH .
Briton,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike many here, I answer the questions asked of me, not hide, so...
Yes, I have said this multiple times already, Argentina's foreign policy is a disgrace. Plain and simple. How much stronger can my statement be? Yet, if Argentina is deemed “uncivil” and the UK “civil” then (sadly), Argentina's reputation is not harmed by such such harangues from CFK. Britain would lose reputation if it did not consistently apply the principles it accuses with good reasons Argentina from abjuring.
I'm still left with the unanswered question of how people who are so proud of their morality and civil rectitude, then defend militarism in the example of Antarctica, when what would be expected is colloquy?
@187Argie,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't agree more. Make something of your country, then we might, l say might be tempted to come to some arrangement.
l think it might take more than a few generations though.
And of course we don't want to lose our nationality & culture.
@194 tobias,
When it comes to Antarctica l think all three, the UK,Argentina & Chile will be just brushed aside by the bigger players.
The British probably will discuss Antartica with Argentina and Chile, there a deal is entirely possible and given the competition desirable for all three.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0194 tobias thank you for agreeing,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your 2nd point on Antarctica
You mention British military there,
What military are you referring to, ,
We have survey ships, and we patrol our territory,
Unless you know other wise,
It is noticeable that 190# and 193# both simple reverse,as it were,other posters comments,habitually.Even to the point of contradicting an English saying.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What kind of contribution to a discussion has that behaviour to make.
Same as your s
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said it, and I witted it,
But as you spend your time insulting people, you have no idea what witted is,
Try apologising , and less insults ,
And you might get a better witter, instead of a titter.
#186 - actually I'm sterotyping based on those I've 'met'.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re the USA etc, - on the contrary, I'm pointing out Argentina's naivety. Ignoring the way of the world will hardly help you get through it.
Nor do I hate Argentina. As a political entity in its dealings with the Falklands and other British property they're a pain in the arse, but not problematic enough to hate.
It's not as though Argentina has achieved much more than annoyance todate!
Moral ground?? Now that is really naive! No such thing.
Apologising time and time again for your country is admirable
Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But not appropriate,
For only your government can make amends for the violence
caused by your governments decisions,
for only they have the power, to put right, what was wrong,
being polite and helping , offer of trade and friendship is a start,
lifting of the paper blockade, and stopping the lies,
will help even further ,
And the removal of the obstacle from your constitution
May well help to regain the respect that you lost,
Try it
It cost nothing, but the results could well be surprising .
Just an opinion .
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@198 Yuleno
Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British love to play games with words, its called quiping amongst other things. Your English can be called good when you understand whats going on, and fluent when you can play the game.
OK the most used word in the world, is a victorian deliberate miss spelling of “all correct” to “oll korect”
186# You need to make allowance for Lordton because his interest is only from a one-sided knowledge of things.He might become more balanced in his comment but until then it's just the way it is.
Jan 13th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias - when you mention that we “talk up” our military when we feel under threat - that can be easily explained.
Jan 13th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deterrence, the art of making your enemies fear the response that an attack upon you would incur.
I would think that no-one would seriously want another war.
The accusations of Argentine foreign policy being “childish” comes from oue perceptions of CFKs language when she speaks about us.
I don't know if she loses anything in translation, but her speaches and slogans, when directed at us come accross as very strident, and not in the sort of language that one head of state would use about another nation or it's government in public.
As to the strong feelings displayed by the Falklanders on these forums, that is easy to explain, they feel threatened by your country, they fear that they will lose their homes and jobs, being dispossessed.
That would be enough to make me very angry too. Imagine what you would feel like if the situation is reversed.
As to our one - sided view of things, we did'nt start this business, Argentina is (don't hark back to 1833, on that basis we should declare war on the USA and try to reclaim it, or invade normandy to reclaim Williams former kingdom.).
The world has moved on since then........
We even had blow up tanks and planes, in the past, to deceive,
Jan 13th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But today 4 euros does the trick just the same,
Only in this case, the euros can fight,
And their sight apparently is enough to send your pilots back early for lunch .
204# Much of what you say is good but it is also one sided.If you feel Argentina is threatening and this makes people nervous for their future,you should realise that the article that this thread is responding to, does not help the situation.
Jan 13th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For your politicians to refuse to negotiate,they are content for the dispute to continue.Argentina has so much support for it's case that it can hardly be held responsible for the dispute not being resolved.That is a problem that the UK have.I am sure any reasonable person would get impatience with the Uk's obduracy.
I was going to post this earlier, but got roped into east enders, [Simons back]
Jan 13th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but hey look at this, 4 little films on the building of the British carriers,
Its very good, and only last abt 10-mins
http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.uk/media/video-library.aspx
just click play,
comments please .
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@206 Yuleno
Jan 14th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Both the actions and language of the argintinean govt are threatening
no doubt about that.
The British refuse to talk because there is no case to answer, when you look at the facts and not the fiction.
Even if argentina had the support you claim, that would still not make it right, and that is what this about, what is right.
“obduracy” simply does not come into it.
I will say it again. The Argentinian position is as unreasonable as you can get.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is like us claiming to own Buenas Ares as we attempted to capture it during the invasions of the Rio Plata. Think about it. We had troops in what is now Argentina, in an attempt to seize what was a spanish colony. We could claim that you were “squatters” or “usurpers”, because you are occupying land we desire.
We could conveniently ignore the fact that we never conquered thae place and that it now belongs to a completely different entity, one that did not even exist when the redcoats arrived.
We could then refuse to allow ships flying the Argentine flag enter British ports because it belongs to an entity we don't recognise and refuse to allow flights between our 2 countries. Then imagine us getting the EU to join in the economic pressure, while our PM demands that Argentina join us in talks at the UN to discuss the soveriegnty of the city and surrounding area. We could re-iterate that we don't want violence (after all it is over 200 years since the Rio Plata invasions) while exercising our ships in the South Atlantic. To top things off those ships could enter the Argentine EEZ and issue demands for vessels to idnetify themselves, arresting any that look like they may be supplying the Argentine oil industry.
How unreasonable would that be.......
ANSWER - totally. You would tell us to get lost, and rightly so, You would refsue to talk to us because you never recognised our right to occupy BA the same as we never relinquished our claim to the Falklands. You probably would not be able to believe that we could have cheek to make such a claim, on so spurious a set of circumstances, then perpetually cause one incident after another over i
So I am one - sided, because the I point the finger of blame at your country on this one. Why should we talk to someone making an unreasonable demand based on a brief occupancy of territory we claimed?
@ 209
Jan 14th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said
@206 Yuleno,
Jan 14th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt's not just UK politicians that will not negotiate with you.
They have our full backing, Yuleno. There is NOTHING to negotiate.
You have very little support & we couldn't care less what your cronies think anyway.
The only way for this “dispute” to be settled, permanently, is for Argentina to drop its ridiculous “claims”
lf you don't like that then go to the ICJ,
lf you don't like that, then you'd better start re-arming.
Continually complaining, moaning & whining will lead no-where.
You keep talking, we'll keep laughing.
The ball is in your court, Yuleno.
And no you dont own the court,
Jan 14th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[or the net]
They have our full backing, Yuleno. There is NOTHING to negotiate.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have very little support & we couldn't care less what your cronies think anyway.
The only way for this “dispute” to be settled, permanently, is for Argentina to drop its ridiculous “claims”
Do you think we cares about you isolde?? Just do not tell Argentina what to do....Just buzz off and get the independence from uk...
The British only tell argentina what it can not do.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have the Islands with out the consent of the Islanders.
Its all clearly said in 209#to212#.Argentina can not expect a resolution with the UK.It is necessary to continue the diplomatic approach,and that is why it is necessary to continue to refuse to recognise the occupation of the Malvinas as anything other than an illegal occupation.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At one time you expect Argentina to bend to your will,at another time you insult Argentina and it's people.You always cancel yourselves out.Negotiate or you provoke the climate you reap.The majority is with Argentina and like with France and Algeria you will encourage hostile relations when the dispute is resolved.
213 Malvinero1 (#)
Jan 14th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have our full backing, Yuleno. There is NOTHING to negotiate
You must stop agreeing with us, your trolling again .
Malvinero1
Just do not tell Argentina what to do....
Sadly it is you who are doing the telling, we merely respond,
To your outrageous and illegal demands .
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The trouble with children,
Is that you have to keep repeating things,
Eventually they will grow out of childish things and grow up,
You cannot have what you don’t own,
You cannot sell, what you don’t own,
You cannot use, what you don’t own,
And to tell lies, you wont go to heaven, GOT IT .
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@213 Malvinero1,
Jan 15th, 2012 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will get independence if & when we want it & its got NOTHING to do with you or your silly country.
l know only too well that you do not care about me, signor, that is why l want nothing to do with you.
So you are the one who can “buzz off” or just go away in short jerky movements.
@215 Yuleno,
And just how do you think these “diplomatic approaches” are going to work?
This is our land, NOT yours & we are NOT going to give it to you. So?
@ 215 Yuleno
Jan 15th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you now seem to understand that we are'nt just going to roll over.
We have no case to answer for. We are'nt occupying the Falklands any more than your people are occupying Buenas Ares. Our people have lived there since before the foundation of your country, anway your rather chaotic attempt at colonisation was a failure, as well as “squatting” on British territory.
Your country can kick up as much of a fuss as it likes on the world stage about the Falklands, nobody else (apart from us) really cares that much about the issue. China is too busy with it's own empire building. The USA would be very poorly advised to drive away the UK as a major ally. Russia is in internal crises. The world as a whole is trying to sort out a massive financial mess. Meanwhile the middle east bubbles away like a pot about to boil itself dr, not forgetting the state of affairs to do Somali piracy and the Iranians in the straight of hormuz. You may have a bit of symbolic support from Uruguay and Chile, but they will not press your claim for you and both nations have diplomatic issues with yours.
The UN can't force us to do a damned thing, and you know it. NO British govt will go down the route of negotiating a handover to Argentina, effectively rewarding an aggressive, hostile nation, when the consequences would mean the dispossession of the Falklanders. It would be political suicide.
Let me put it to you another way. The UK has done nothing illegal. Our country is trying to mind it's own business. We are'nt threatening you in any way. So how do you propose to get backing in the UN? Lets see you try to get sanctions against us, or a security council Resolution condemning the UK......
Good luck with that course of action........
We don't have to do anything else but sit back and make sure the islands are adequately protected from another Argentine invasion.
Long post shb in which you manage not to say anything.You can sit tight if you are happy with Argentina continuing to build support.Don't ignore events and get complacent.You must be thinking how good it is that other countries have their problems,while ignoring the fact that the UK has it's problems,including government spending.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0219 Yuleno, you and the others that write the same sort of nonsense are hilarious. You don't care about the islanders so why do you keep trying to convince us that the end is coming soon? I'll tell you why. Because you're trying to convince yourselves and the islanders that it IS actually true. If it was actually true why wouldn't you just sit back in a comfy armchair and watch it happen? Just wait it out and watch the drama unfold? LOL! Because you know deep down in your sad little brainwashed heart that nothing WILL happen and it's eating you up so much that you are trying to stir us into a state of fear. Good luck with that. Ha ha ha!
Jan 15th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment above shows you can't muster an effective counter argument to my points.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not happy that other countries have problems, if you know anything about me by now, you would realise that I'm not the sort of person to wish other countries ill, because it's the ordinary folk who bear the brunt of the hard times. I suggest that you withdraw that comment.
I have also mentioned several time that the UK has problems of it's own to. I actually live over here and see it 1st hand for myself......
You mis-understand my viuewpoint on the Falklands. By sitting back I mean that we should'nt try and blow the situation up into a major crises. That would suite your country better than mine.
I do agree that our useless foreign office should do more to defend the Falklanders against you on the world stage, and show Argentina's aggression for what it is, a crude attempt at a land grab, with no regard for the consequences to the islanders.
I dare you to rebut my comments in 218 using some logic and evidence. How will you force us to do anything Argentina wants?
220# you have added nothing of interest to the discussion.You have made assumptions and considered them correct.No party can sit back as the dispute is not resolved.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0221# You have no points that need addressing,other than on the way Argentina are highlighting the dispute.
There is no need for aggression on the part of Argentina.It is the UK that is feeling that it's position is being threatened.The support from Russia China,South America and other countries not mentioned,irrespective of empire building(I don't know where anyone is doing that),the Arab spring,ect,does not prevent that support from being valid.There is a hint of arrogance on your part to suggest that the UK can address it's crisis and defend it's colonies,while other countries are to involved in themselves to be heeded.
#I dare you to rebut my comments in 218 using some logic and evidence.
This line of yours also reveals an arrogance which I am puzzled with.
Enumerate the points you are referring to if you feel I am not responding to you.
222, Yawn.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0222, Yawn.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0222, Yawn.222, Yawn.
222, Yawn.
222, Yawn.222, Yawn.222, Yawn.
Sorry did someone wake you up
Mummy
TWIMC
Jan 15th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well…......This young inexperienced apprentice of journalism has just written in an insignificant Londonian Newspaper exactly what I have been saying all the time…….
I want my royalties!
Chuckle chuckle©®
Simon Winchester / The Times / Saturday January 14 2012
“One Falklands problem, one civilized solution.”
“We should repeat the success of the Hong Kong handover and prepare to give the Islands to Argentina.”
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/visor/fotos/20120115/notas/2.jpg
Simon the yank and Guardian journalist , what did you lot do to him for the 3 months you had him locked up in Tierra del Fuego? :-)))
Jan 15th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgO6NIXe0A
Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.No party can sit back as the dispute is not resolved.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wanna bet,
Simon Winchester , on the same question on American teritory,
no comment,
the british may or may not have interests in south America,
but the Americans , have,
the british may well turn out to be the least of your problems,
[still] least is ones, middle name, is it not .
The link by 'el Think' (nice rhyme to that?) is an obvious 'pull' of the printed page from Saturdays The Times. Probably paid for by Argentina as no one else would be interested.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Winchester is an itinerant 'journalist' and was held for three months by the people he now adores: how did that happen? He completely misses the point about Hong Kong - Britain never owned it but possesed it on a lease from China which expried. End of story other than the British Conservative Government abdicated responsibility to the people of the colony who wanted to come to Britain - a dispicable act.
Winchesters other recent claim to fame is that he has written a book about someone elses book 'Alice in Wonderland'. Perhaps he is content in there, because he most certainly is not in tune with the people of Britain.
Timmidman appears on the bottom of the same page: two liars for the price of one. Has Timmidman taken over the reins of the fabled Jorge Argüello who recently did a world tour to spout the lies of Argentina?
It will be interesting to see the 'Letters to the Editor' in The Times tomorrow.
it seems the argies have been reading about [lord haw haw] again
Jan 15th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you see Jorge Argüello , the mice are sure to follow .
@Yuleno
Jan 15th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My point is that the Falklands are well down the list of priorities for those nations. You can't expect them to be as passionate about it as Argentina. The secondary point is that many of those flashpoints will absorb a lot more international attention than Argentina becasue of their serious nature- particularly the Hormuz one.
As to empire building - if you read aroud the news feeds you find that a lot of nations around China's southern periphery have recently been very worried about china's designs in the area- it almost came to shots being fired at a chinese warship in the spratlys a couple of weeks ago.
As to threat - I consider that your country poses a threat to our national security and a clear and present danger to the lives of our service personnel and those of the Falklanders. I don't care what CFK or any other Argentine politician says, I believe that you would use force to seize the isalnds if you think you could get away with it.
I remember the TV pictures of the flash burned being brought of the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristan, and am disgusted at the thought of your lot doing something similar again, all for a vainglorious “greater Argentina”. That memory alone is enough for the UK to say “never” to you.
My statement about you providing some evidence to back up your viewpoint that you can force us peacefully to relinquish the islands via negotiations stands. It is not intended as arrogance, but as a challenge, I genuinely would like to know how you think you could get us to play ball.
231#
Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/you are wrong to think other events will effect argentina's support.Countries must attend to many issues at the same time eg Iran,eygpt,Somalia,Sudan,unemployment,gvt spending,ect.
2/China's territorial claim's express the desire to re-unite the China pre-colonisation,and include Taiwan.their support for Argentina is an expression of the situation it faces in the Taiwan issue.
3/what you call threats and your vivid picture of the 82 conflict are not synonymous matters.What you call threats are the highlighting of the effects of the failure to negotiate.If the situation was seen as dangerous the UK would take deterrent actions and they are not doing that,they are attempt to discredit argentina's legitimate actions and it's support in south America.
4/I haven't claimed that argentina's action would force the UK to relinquish it's occupation of the Malvinas.Argentina's action question the UK's ability to maintain it will to continue to occupy the islands and gains support for Argentina's claims in the dispute.
What you call threats are the highlighting of the effects of the failure to negotiate.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interpreted as,
you will negotiate, or we will invade you, politly,
30 years later, still no negotiations.
so you argies are trying to repeat it then
you will negotiate, or we will invade you again
all we can say to that is,
[your move then ]
Lots of words, but no actions to back them up from CFK. Keep calm and carry on.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people and I here know that inflation here is knocking on the door of 30% yet we are told officially it is at 9%. The world knows it is around the 25% mark. The corruption index was around 3.0/10 if I am not mistaken, (I don't need to grab facts and figures from the internet to back up my thoughts). Why believe a word the peronistas put out. The huge majority of people here do not care about the ownership of the Falklands, fact. The ones that do are brainwashed, bored or ill educated. CFK keeps banging on about the Falklands for her own gains. Likewise with football para todos, (free football on TV) to keep her poverty starving families in the country happy with a little pleasure via TV. Also free laptops to kids and teachers, again to tickle the masses tastebuds and emphasise how wonderful she is. Don't get me wrong, she has done a lot of good repairing the damage left from the one dollar one peso disaster of 2001 but this Falklands bullying will amount to nothing. Nothing at all unless they try to take the Islands by force, which myself and the majority of Argentinians prays will never occur again. Pointless then, pointless now. By all means, by diplomatic means try to negotiate on the issue, follow the UN guidelines. It is what we expect from a civilized, democratic country, this pantomime should stop or Argentina will have egg on their faces keeping up this bullying and being all talk and no trousers. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, however, the Islands are British and will be forever, please move on and fix your country, when your country becomes more attractive to the Falkland Islanders then they will consider their futures ...... one man there has an Argentinian passport. Interesting to see if this is even legal. Lets allow you to wear Las Malvinas badges at the olympics, see what a shit storm like that will see you viewed on the world stage. How could an Argentinian input in the Falklands possibley work .. take your ball and go home please
Jan 16th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0(235) Argybhaji
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet another Brit posing as an Argentinean.
He starts ok………................, speaking about “Here” and “We”.
But, after the usual truisms, he loses his concentration and shifts to “You” and “There”
What a Turnip!
@ 232 Yuleno.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you agree that cannot force us to do anything.
We do see you as a potential threat, so we have taken detterent actions in the form of maintaining the Falklands garrison.
I know Think found a couple of articles about talking about the Falklands/handing them back, however this is very much a minority view. The authors of articles like this know that it is never going to happen because of the depth of feeling on the subject. We will mainatin our will to stay on the islands.
Most people over here would choose retaining the Falklands over having good relations with Argentina (the crux of the Times article), that Bluff cove image has stuck with them too.
Lets see if Argentina can maintain its current tempo of troublemaking, without things going bad.
@236 Think,
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't like it when someone stands up to you, do you? You can't take defeat at all.
@220Bruce,
Very well put, Bruce.
@221 shb,
They can't honestly refute what you say.
l believe that they will try again when they can.
They are not “peaceful”! ha
Isolde,once again you say nothing,do you.What an asset you are.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0235# You must be young.236# Think is perfectly correct in his summary of your post.You should start off knowing what you are going to write,intro(nice) message(sounding reasoned),conclusion(opposite of intro),and you believe you have impressed.You're conclusion is what you should have wrote,and then your attention might not have wandered.
237#I have not agreed that Argentina cannot force you.That is exactly what Argentina is doing.You must think that the only force there is ,is military force.
You also wrote-
authors of articles like this know that it is never going to happen because of the depth of feeling
You are mistaken to be so trivial when others say things.How do you know what they think,and why do you think they write what they write?
238 Isolde
Jan 16th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usual patronising crap from 239 whose tag I will not ever mention.
They seem to conveniently forget their glorious leaders promises,
Jan 16th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She agreed to talk, nothing else,
She has been talking, and nothing else,
And she will carry on talking, and do nothing else,
Because there is nothing else she can do,
But talk .
I am not being trivial.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whe the BBC arranged for the guy from the Guardian who advocated negotiations with you( then a handover) to appear on TV to express his view the first thing the main interviewer stated that the amount of people who had phoned in before had been much gratere than normal. She then went on to explain that the vast majority were opposed to him.
I live over here, you don't. The majority of people I know do not want to return the islands to you. If you put pressure on us, or attack us again, that resolve will only harden.
You still have'nt said how you can make us talk to you/give you anything. I am aware of political force and pressure. It only works if there is enough of it and it is backed up by some kind of sanctions. This is'nt going to happen, at least in a way that exerts sufficient harm on us to move our position. Prove otherwise.
239 Yuleno, Yawn. The thing that makes me laugh most about you is that you think these blogs count for something. As if this is THE debate that will decide the future.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't have to debate you about anything. We don't have to convince anyone of anything. You want the islands and you don't have them. We want the islands and we DO have them. (and they are lovely Yuleno. You should visit before CFK gives LAN not choice but to stop its flight).
Do whatever you want. It'll make no difference. There is not going to be any knight in shining armour come to rescue you. Your fellow South Americans are not going to give a stuff about you when they realise helping you could have a negative effect on their economies.
You've not stopped our ships. You might stop LAN; we'll get around that. You might catch some of our squid; we'll get around that. What you won't do is force us into a corner that we have to give up from. Not long before our lovely oil starts flowing.
Keep smiling Yuleno! LOL!
(prediction of Yuleno's reply) “Bruce, as usual you have added nothing to this debate... Yardy yardy yardy”.
Chill out man. You're going to be a long time bitter and twisted if you stay on this one.
243
Jan 16th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(prediction of Yuleno's reply) “Bruce, as usual you have added nothing to this debate... Yardy yardy yardy”.
You forgot yawn and time wasting.
242 the reporter might not be popular be it's what he thinks.
The continued process of Argentina's political actions will result in negotiations and international support will be with argentina
@244 Yuleno.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you, the Journalist (I could'nt track his name down) is quite entitled to his opinion. I don't happen to agree with him, neither do most Brits. He stated himself that the idea of negotiations were “a christmas present that is never going to be opened”.
He realised that he was onto a loser. I tried to find a link for the interview - I believe that it lurks somewhere in the depths of youtube.
If your spoken English is as good as your written, you should be able to follow it if you can find it.
TO EVERYONE
BBC TV aired a programme called “inside out” tonight. It is about a British AA gunner who downed an A4 Skyhawk during the War. He believed he had killed the pilot. However, the pilot ejected safely and the programme got the 2 of them together. I haven't seen it yet, but a preview I heard on Radio 4 today sounded very good. It is available on Iplayer.
LEST WE FORGET.
@240ChrisR,
Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Chris, l don't take too much notice of Yuleno.
For some reason he thinks that we are going to say “Ok Argentina, here's the key to the front door, come on in”
lts never going to happen. But their latin male egos cannot handle that.
lt knaws away like cancer at their insides.
Well tough bananas, malvinistas, you can't have our lslands.
Suck it up baby.♥
245# I never expected you to agree with Winchester.Thanks for acknowledging the article.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0246# I don't want any keys, I have my own.It's the squatters that is the problem.I knew you and the creator would not realise that.If the squatters want to stay,that is for them to chose.
Squatters squatters everywhere,
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They come to Argentina, from anywhere
But if we practised what we preached
And packed our bags, so we could all meet,
At the airport on the way home,
From Europe we came from
Come sunny days or rain,
For we would be happy
When you return to Spain,
Bon voyage .
.
246 Isolde, you have to admit, he does make you laugh. He is in such another world that you almost can't help but feel sorry for the poor little guy. I seem to alternate from being bored to sleep by him and belly laughing until I am sore.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He says he has no date for our check-out. Only that it WILL happen. Reminds me of all the doomsday lunatics who keep saying the world is about to end. They've been going for hundreds of years. Eventually they'll claim they got it right after all.
249#yawn yawn
Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Isolde there.
Oh no she isn't yet.Yawn yawn
What, no smart remark, Yuleno?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't you think of anything witty?
Don't wait up for me, Yuleno.
Just go back to sleep, like your country has for 180 years.
Sleep for another 180 years, when you wake up, there will still be no changes in your “negotiations” ha.
Yuleno, squatting on native people's land.
For all the Argies who doubt the UK's intention to support the FIG and people (there are no Malvinas): a from the FCO to my email -
Jan 18th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reference: OTD_017_2011
Dear Mr Rxxxxxxxxxxx,
Thank you for your email of 21 December. I have been asked to reply as Desk Officer for the Falkland Islands in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
The UK has no doubt about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The principle of self-determination, enshrined in the UN Charter underlies our position. There can be no negotiation on the sovereignty of the islands unless and until the Islanders so wish. The Islanders regularly make it clear that they wish to remain British. The Prime Minister highlighted this in his Christmas message to the Islanders and said “...We will always maintain our commitment to you on any question of sovereignty...”
We are working hard to defend the Falkland Islanders’ legitimate right to develop their economy and share your concerns about the impact that Argentine Government policies might have on the Falkland Islands. You raised the recent statements made in South America regarding port access to Falkland Islands flagged ships in South America. On 10 January, the Foreign Secretary issued a Written Ministerial Statement which details the UK Government’s position on this issue as well as explaining the action we have taken. I attach a copy for information.
The UK Government is fully committed to defending the Falkland Islands and has maintained an appropriate force on the islands which can be reinforced rapidly if needed. Last year, the Secretary of State for Defence said “We will continue to guarantee the security of the Falklands” and, in his Christmas message to the Islanders, the Prime Minister said “...whatever challenges we face in the UK, the British Government’s commitment to the security and prosperity of the Overseas Territories, including the Falklands, remains undiminished”. This underpins our policy towards the Islands. However it is impor
So what lord
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0252 cont.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0............. However it is important to note that the Argentine Constitution commits it to gaining the Falkland Islands in accordance with international law and Argentina has publicly stated that it will do so through peaceful means.
As the Prime Minister said in his recent Christmas message to the Islanders, the upcoming anniversary of the Falklands Conflict offers a time for reflection and for gratitude to the serviceman who restored liberty to the Falklands thirty years ago: ”We will have in our thoughts those who lost their lives in the service of freedom. And we will remember all those families who continue to mourn their loss today.”
Yours Sincerely,
Lucy Foster
Lucy Foster
Falkland Islands Desk Officer
Overseas Territories Directorate
Room WH2.311
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
London SW1A 2AH
Just about says it all!
yep,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and not a thing, can argentina do about it .
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