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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt won't take much of a left move for Europe to face complications to resolving the crisis.The UK will need to be careful in their attitude or USA will be laughing
Jan 10th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Warnings and threats,
Jan 10th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Demands and directives, a distant future world indoctrinated power,
The UK has a simple choice,
Freedom or indoctrination, a power out of control,
Britain is better than this rabble, out is the answer .
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Out is a minority view in the UK.You can't fall out with everyone any more
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No its not Yuleno, recent poles show the minority (40%) are those that want to stay in. Whilst (49%) of the total (70%) that want a referendum on whether we should stay or leave, want to leave the EU.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you do some research before trying to tell us british citizens that live in britain what our fellow british citizens want to do. Everyone i speak to wants out, that says alot really doesn't it.
more lies then
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0out is what the brits want,
out is what we deserve,
a referendum that was promised,
then we will grow,
Bravo teaboy2.you are now a pollster as well as all the other attributes.Now which poll are you using fir your latest figures.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 ICM Polls, you know the same polls the are officially endorsed and have been used for years for political polls.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 07# Only 70% want a referendum.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore 30% are ok with being in Europe.
Of the 70% ,49% said they would vote to come out
You are able,with your mathematical skills in budgetary analysis,to work out that only 35% of those eligible to vote in a referendum would want to come out
Can you confirm this or highlight what I've got wrong
Bollocks Yuleno, you clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about and are simply doing nothing more than filling in the gaps of your knowlegde with fiction that is in your favour only.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well heres the facts - “ICM/Guardian poll 21-23 October 2011 – 70% Want a Referendum; 49% would Pull Out
70% of voters want a vote on Britain's EU membership; just 23% are against.
49% would vote to get Britain out of Europe; just 40% prefer to stay in.”
That means 23% are against a referrendum whilst 7% (not mentioned above) asked are undecided and the remaining 70% were in favour (23+7+70 equals 100% in total). The same amount of people asked about if they would support a referrendum, were also asked which way they would vote in such referrendum, clearly the 23% against a referrendum are included in the 40% that would vote against leaving the EU the remaining 7% would vote either way. So thats 49% in favour and 40% against whilst the remaining 11% could vote either way (40+49+11 equals 100% in total)
By your logic 40% plus 23% equalls 63% against and 49% in favour of leaving the EU. That would mean a percentage of people that gave an answer would equal more than the number of people that were actually asked e.g. 63+49=112%. Which would be a mathmatical impossability given the total against and for can not be more than 100% when added together. But hey according to you it was 30% against the referrendum, meaning 30% on top of the 40% against and 49% in favour giving a grant percentage total of 119%
Lol your maths is somewhat questionable, along with your logic - don't you think!!
Teaboy you need to show me where this poll added the 30% who didn't want a referendum on the question are included in the 40% who wanted to stay in.I cannot see that in any interpretation of the numbers.As for the conclusion and it's comparison with 2001 the swing to getting out is apparent but there was not a crisis at that time.It is also interesting that it's the over 65's that are most in favour of out,and their pensions might be a factor.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incidentally,the BNP makes it 7 out of 10 against Europe and I'm wrong?
Yuleno - Reread what i put in post #9 especially - ”Well heres the facts - “ICM/Guardian poll 21-23 October 2011 – 70% Want a Referendum; 49% would Pull Out
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 070% of voters want a vote on Britain's EU membership; just 23% are against.
49% would vote to get Britain out of Europe; just 40% prefer to stay in.”
Its effectively 2 questions where the same people were asked both questions.
1 question was, should there be a referrendum on the UK either staying in or out of the EU? Only 3 answers were available.
1 - Yes there should be a referrendum - 70% gave this answer
2 - No they should not be a referrendum - 23% gave this answer
3 - Undecided - 7% gave this answer
Question 2
If a referrendum was granted, would you vote to stay in the EU or out of the EU? only 3 answer available for the question.
1 - Stay in EU - 40% gave as an answer
2 - Leave the EU - 49% gave as an answer
3 - undecided - 11% gave as an answer
The same people asked the 1 question were asked the second question too, therefore a 100% response rate is given.
As for the rest of your post above about 2001 and over 65's is irrelevant, as it does not change tha fact the majority as shown in the poll what out of the EU. Back in 2001 the EU was not taking us for money and we were benifiting from the EU, now all the EU want, particularly france is money from us, as shown in the attempts to gain control over our financial sector and economy in the new eurozone treaty that we veto, and are not trying to do so by trying to enforce a finanical tax on all financial transaction, which would result in 75% of the income generated from such tax, coming from the UK finanical sector and going into the french and german coffers. UK people have therefore since 2001 wised up and realised exactly what is going on, germany couldn't do it in 2 world wars so is now trying to do it by getting control of the EU as a single state. Its not going to happen, and cameron has made it clear he will veto the financial tax plan too.
Teaboy2
Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are some that one cannot tell as they know better .
.they are wrong,
Teaboy.that is clear enough and I take your word on it.However I believe the IMF said that a unified approach to resolving the crisis and there certainly is a unified one that I can see.The UK is as responsible for the crisis as much as the EU states and the USA.South America have recognised this and have taken and are continuing to take actions to avoid being contaminated by the selfishness of the offendings states.Argentina is benefitting from this in the unity shown by South America in the dispute over las Malvinas.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the details of the poll.
teaboy
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America will only back you with deleted words and mistrust,
They will never back you with anything else, military or otherwise,
CFK knows this very well, that’s why she will try anything and everything to get others to do her dirty work, threats and indoctrination works seemingly well on her own people, but not on others, who know very well no one would support Argentina against anything other than talking,
She would be condemned world wide if she tried it,, sooner or later she will tire of her own mutterings
And retire, before her own defence people put a ring round her,
When ether the brainwashed Argies believe it or not, the Falklands will be your Achilles heel,
This tiny little peaceful unarmed island will yet see the demise of the pretend giant that gave up everything to get her, and failed, how will history tell the story of a giant of a country
Pulled down and humiliated by an island 50 times smaller than argentine,
A once great country that had everything in it favour, throwing it all away, because of one persons
Deluded obsession to stalk something she can never have [the Falklands ..
@Yuleno
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but how is the UK repsonsible for the EURO ZONE crises, we are not responsible the borrowings that the EURO ZONE nations induged in. Why are we not responsible you ask - Simple where not in the EURO ZONE, so our borrowings/debts are not connected to where as the eurozone countries as a result of sharing one currency, have found the borrowings and debt of eurozone coutries are effecting other eurozone countries as it drags down the value of the Euro hence why its on the verge of complete collapse and they are desperately trying to find a financial cash cow such as the UK's financial services to bail the euro out, by using the cash from the cash cow towards the euro zone debts.
@britain - I totally 100% agree with everything you said.
Teaboy if you don't think you have a crisis why don't you tell Mr Cameron, as he thinks he inherited one from Mr Brown.Or is he just trying to fool the people with the cuts they are experiencing.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you forgot the riots so soon?
@yuleno
Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The riots where nothing to do with the alleged crisis, that was nothing more than mindless idiots and criminals, expoliting what was originally a peaceful protest of the police shooting a man whos friends and family claimed was unarmed - though i believe it turned out he was armed. All the rioters did was take advantage and used the situation to partake in violence for the fun of it that quickly led to looting and spread to other cities.
The crisis your referring to is the EURO ZONE Crisis. As i said we are not a Euro Zone country we do not use the EURO currency. There is not crisis in the UK, that is any different to any other world nation outside the Eurozone. We also happen to be in a much stronger and stable position then must other world nations, including argentina.
You should look at the recent riots in santa cruz and the reason for those riots and concentrate on your countries problems before trying to tell us brits that our country is in crisis. Over here, everyone is carrying on as normal, just like we were before the recession and that says alot really. As it shows no one is overly worried or concerned about the euro crisis and that they are confident our economy is stable and secure despite slow growth.
Your unemployment isn't alright.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your prison population is the highest ever.
Your pensions are unsustainable
Your business is not growing
Your public spending is too high
Your debt is to high
You have a crisis
And as you say you have a recession which threatened to impact in south America,only you are denying you have these problems.I never mentioned the euro crisis and Lagarde was talking about the global crisis of which the euro crisis is a part.
Amazing how others are all whacked, but the home team is flying high
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0without a care in the world, economies are falling apart, strikes riots unrest ,
bankrupt states, yet the home country is paradise,
who is this strange paradise of a country, that has not riots , no unrest , never been bankrupt ,
no strikes , and not a care in the world, [Argentina or course]
Who says so, her bloggers of course ,
Sitting on cloud 9, as usual .
In the ascendancy is the simple way to say that 19#
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As is brazil also and the role that both countries are playing in forming the basis of a strong and independent south American continent.
A water based glue might help,
Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just in case .
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