Chilean former Foreign Affairs minister and ambassador before the UN, Juan Gabriel Valdes has called for Chileans to adopt the Argentine sovereignty claim over the Malvinas Islands --disputed with the UK--, as a “Chilean cause”. Read full article
Chilean President Piñera
“The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over the Malvinas and other adjoining islands”
Marcos Alejandro
Are you Argies totally brain dead or what,
Now you want to share the sovereignty of the Falklands with Chile,
Hoping she will go to war, over ½ of the Falklands,
Why not offer the other South Americans a piece of the Falklands,
So idiots trying to sell something they don’t even own
Is beyond comprehension intelligent belief.
Your be demanding the bloody dead rise in revolt next,
.
@3 The Official Position of the Chilean State
“Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas.”
Santo Domingo, República Dominicana, 7 de marzo del año 2008
The Heads of State and Government of Rio Group reaffirm their support for the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute with Britain on the Malvinas Islands Question
These statements merely confirm the ever closer relationship bewtween the South American republics who finally are getting over all the years of rivalry and realise that closer coperation is the way forward.Argentina-Chile trade over the years has been pathetic but is now growing spectacularly.This interdependence will bring the countries ever closer.Some island in the cold North sea will be ever more insignificant to all the republics.
And how the hell is a statement by Rio group an official statement by chile's government? Err its not, its an official statement from the rio group (not chile) based on a majority agreement between members of Rio Group. Which members agreed however and which members did not is unkown.
@5:
Who gives a monkeys what the Rio Group says? It's cronyism pure and simple (that and trying to get Argentina to stop moaning) and nobody takes any notice of it. It allows Chile to hide in a joint statement without having to do anything about it.
And anyway, if you read the rest the the statement, it's just the same old rhetoric calling for negotiations in order to reach as soon as possible a fair, peaceful and lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute. They are supporting Argentina's rights in the dispute, and not saying that Argentina is right.
Certainly no mention of support for recovering the islands for Argentina.
And yet according to Clarin yesterday, Uruguay has apparently become, 'more flexible' over the Falklands after Argentina didn't follow through with agreeing to deepen the Martin Garcia channel, amongst other problems !
And yet according to Clarin yesterday, Uruguay has apparently become, 'more flexible' over the Falklands after Argentina didn't follow through with agreeing to deepen the Martin Garcia channel, amongst other problems !
And obviously you did not read correctly Clarin...
tuvo mucho que ver la lógica de relacionamiento que tiene el mandatario uruguayo con la presidente Cristina Fernández, con la que de a poco va logrando destrabar asuntos pendientes entre ambas naciones y de especial al hecho de que Argentina acceda a profundizar el canal Martín García.
Argentina agree to the deepening of the MArtin Garcia Canal...Dumb,LIAR! http://www.clarin.com/politica/Malvinas-Uruguay-flexible_0_625137520.html
Uruguay says it will not object to british carried flags...(comercial,not military),Argentina ONLY request was on MAlvinas flag!
@10 - Yes, and falklands flagged vessels can simply raise the red ensign or their own nations flags - So much for stopping ships travelling to and from the falklands which is what argentina wanted originally, regardless of flag used.
So the ban on using South American ports is basically a failure before it even started, and it fails to change anything or make any difference. So the real question is - What is argentinas next move going to be?
9 Lord Ton
Obviusly you can't read spanish, try reading your conservative English newspaper instead:
Wednesday 11 January 2012
Scots will vote in 2014, says Salmond
Cameron's arrogant approach didn't work very well.
So a referendum in 2014 only 2 years and bye to England.
# Lord Ton...........Roger........ you already can not fool anyone.....is not posible LIE all the time, only few brainless could follow you (9 followers in your blog for be exact).
I ask you again .... do not consider therapy ?? Everybody see that you have big problem to distinguish TRUTH-LIES equation.
Ah...finally Chile can smell the coffee - or should say the oil - and when there are half a dozen rigs sucking that black gold out of the ground and shipping it north you will see a very different Chile emerge.
I am sure the people of Chile will celebrate when they see that oil being shipped passed them and north into the pockets of american and european speculators lol.
I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.
Well thank you Marv - saved me the trouble of tracking the entry down, as I'd been told about it in an e-mail. My informant tells me the article mentions Uruguay allowing British flagged vessels in, even if they are from the Falklands.
What's your interpretation. I'll get around to the article later.
All the countries of Latin America are in favour of the Argentinian position as a lot of other countries in the world. As an example, I´m not argentinian, but it´s clear that the British try to detract all the people who don´t support their lies because they don´t have valid arguments to steal the Malvinas Islands. UK has the Islands only because this country imposes its wrong arguments and its partial view of this issue, using the military force as it done in other territories stolen before. But don´t worry you can be sure that sooner or later the truth will prevail and the british pirate colony will end.
Well you sure sound like an Argie JF. You have an Argie's biased, inaccurate view of history, and an Argies attitude to an perfectly normal military garrison. Normal after two invasions anyway. You also like the word 'pirate' which is very Argie.
What's the saying? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck !
@ 22 johnfaerrel
You are correct which is why you will notice in this forum how only the British are making the threats. They illustrate perfectly how britain has declined as a world power and as a civilised nation and of course, they demonstrate how impotent britain has become. It is hardly surprising that british employers prefer to employ eastern europeans, as they are more intelligent than the average drink sodden foul mouthed lazy brit.
Take my advice and just sit back and relax and watch how quickly this situation will escalate from political rhetoric to crisis, with all of south america fully supporting Argentina's claim, and britain will be alone this time as the USA has too many interests in south america and politically, is a very different nation to that in 1982.
Europe will do nothing but try to persuade britain into a peaceful settlement.
A total embargo on the malvinas including a withdrawal of the air connection with Chile will soon be in force with all sea and airports in south america denied to anyone en route to or from the malvinas.
Lets see how much the british taxpayer is willing to pay to keep their beloved Islands.
@ 25 sure, and that's why there are like 7 thousand Argentines living in the UK and like 2 thousand Argentines who acquired British citizenship, because the British people are what you say. What about taking responsibility for what we do instead of blame it all on other people? A chance to grow up, it's all up to us.
@ 27 Los barcos desde las islas van a seguir yendo y viniendo e ingresando a los puertos de Brasil, Uruguay y Chile, como siempre. ¿De qué unión latinoamericana hablás? ¿No te da vergúenza autoengañarte de esa manera?
So we are united in Latin America? Really? Where? I didn't know that. This is not la bombonera pelotudín, this is the real world. Hacerte el cojudito acá won't ever change reality :)
A blockade of words - but the ships come and go just the same. The oil idustry in the Falklands uses Brazilian ports and Urugay accepts Islands fish. Same as usual.
Sit back Dross - you'll be a long time waiting for any change !
Trying to pretend the Falklands flag is illegal is just another part of that fairy story the Argentine government uses to manipulate the masses. It is amazing how compliant the masses are. No wonder fascist can thrive there.
Your post is one of the funniest things i've read on here for a while....
''You are correct which is why you will notice in this forum how only the British are making the threats.'' ........followed by.......''A total embargo on the malvinas including a withdrawal of the air connection with Chile will soon be in force with all sea and airports in south america denied to anyone en route to or from the malvinas.''
Threat anyone? Or how about....... ''I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.''.....That was you as well wasn't it?
You carry right on pal. Your comments and the other vile poison we get from most of your compatriots is the best kind of publicity we could get, illustrating perfectly why we choose not to submit to your bullying.
23 Lorn Torn
You need to know that not only the argentinian people know that it is a british pirate colony, there are a lot of people around the world that think so, because they know that these territories were stolen using military force. It´s very clear that the british have a long history of stealing territories and the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that. In addition, you need to know that a lot of people around the world know that name of the Islands is Malvinas and not Falklands.
The argentine Colonial power on the rise first the Falklands then Uruaguay and lastly Chile, when will the other Latin american states see, that signing documents in support of argentine claims undermines there own existance!!
30 The English have taught the World how to fool the masses they have spent centuries utilizing the fools on then periphery to risk their lives in the service of the city of London bringing their savagery all over the planet.Argentina has a lot to learn on that score.
What you all seem to miss is, the central bankers, controlled by the US Federal Reserve (read Rockefellers) and London City (the Rothchilds), need a war to distract their citizenry from the misery of their plight. There will likely be a war and, unfortunately, South America will probably fall into the trap being set.
Besides, South America has so many natural resources, it's just too hard for them to resist.
45- Probably Chile will never trust us, and is the same how we feelt-
BUT THEY KNOW THEIR DESTINY IS WHIT US, TOGETHER, and they can grow more faster whit us-
They cannot change that position, because all Chile know they have a lot of investments in Argentina-
A LOT-
So the reality is: you can survive ONLY BECAUSE HAVE A BRITISH FLAG-
Your identity as KELPER IS DENIED FOR ARGENTINA-CHILE-BRASIL AND URUGUAY-
You don´t exist - and your flag is ilegal for us-
That desition of Mercosur change dramatically in the politic aspects, maybe not in economic-
WE DENIED YOUR IDENTITY- and all south america say the same-
#47 The lesson learnt was painfull...specially about Chile....but im agree Los hermanos sean unidos we´re in 2012 and all of us, men of goodwill are looking and thinking only to the future.....LatAM time is comming.
Listening to the Argies they are bit afraid that Condorito might pull a fast one on them. Boys, if you have such dirty laundry to sort out with Chile do it at home in LatAM (whatever the hell that means) not on here so that we can all laugh at you. Ha ha ha! LOL!
Look at the unified lot: 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49.... it just goes on. You guys aren't on a private chat. The world is reading! LOL! THE BIG PLAN!! Ha ha ha
Yo creo que hemos a prendido que le camino del desarrollo no se puede dar de manera individual, sino colectiva-
Chile sin el mercado argentino no es el mismo Chile-
Integrados NO, al menos por ahora- Pero juntos sí, en estas y en otras realidades-
Ellos tampoco confian mucho en nosotros- Pero los miles de millones de dolares, la atencion que les damos en hospitales, en educacion, etc., hacen mella de a poco en el pueblo chileno, y van generando confianza-
55, Rosarino but are you sure they'll go as far as you'll need them too (and that will be a long long way). ..and if they do, that's some unification. Only doing it because they feel they HAVE to. Not because they want to. You must rank as amongst the world's worst neighbours. Bullying the Falklands is one thing but now LatAM is going to be formed by bullying also is it? Ha ha ha.
South America will only back you with deleted words and mistrust,
They will never back you with anything else, military or otherwise,
CFK knows this very well, that’s why she will try anything and everything to get others to do her dirty work, threats and indoctrination works seemingly well on her own people, but not on others, who know very well no one would support Argentina against anything other than talking,
She would be condemned world wide if she tried it,, sooner or later she will tire of her own mutterings
And retire, before her own defence people put a ring round her,
When ether the brainwashed Argies believe it or not, the Falklands will be your Achilles heel,
This tiny little peaceful unarmed island will yet see the demise of the pretend giant that gave up everything to get her, and failed, how will history tell the story of a giant of a country
Pulled down and humiliated by an island 50 times smaller than argentine,
A once great country that had everything in it favour, throwing it all away, because of one persons
Deluded obsession to stalk something she can never have [the Falklands].
They're holding secret LatAM (whatever the hell that is) talks. They're stuck on rule number one.
1. We must get on with our LatAM neighbours if they are going to help us.
2. Don't discuss our brilliant plan LatAM with the British or Falklanders. Duh!
Oops! There's rules 1 & 2 blown out of the water already. Rules 3 through 10 still to come just as soon as rules 1 & 2 get sorted out.
LatAm! LatAM! LatAM! LatAM! Comes on amigos, dream it with me!
62 Bruce, You sound jealous boy, while the United States and Europe sink over huge deficits, economies in Latin America surge forward and united more than ever. Brazil has overtaken the UK as the world's sixth largest economy recently,
the governments of Chile and Uruguay ratified today to continue to prevent entry into their ports of ships carrying the British flag of the FI
And in UK Cameron is now desperately trying to keep Scotland away from independence.
a) Argentina has human right levels similar to Syria, an economy like Haiti's, and will soon collapse into a lake of fire.
b) The USA, and UK/Europe have in fact collapsed and they are propitiating the gods for salvation
Funny, I was sold another store outside my front door.
62, Marcos, why does Chile hate you so much mate? I asked a groups of Chileans at a party once why they all hated Argentina so much. Their reply was that they hated Argentina because it was full of Argentines.
Far from desperate Marcos. Just keeping a cautious eye on things. Like you would if you were walking in a park with your wife and just a few yards away there was a group of rude, aggressive, dirty and obviously lacking in IQ juvenile delinquents hanging around with nothing better to do than try to terrorise everyone around them.
Chileans do not hate Argentines. Of course there are factions on both side of the border that hate each other's guts, mostly for stupid stuff, but you seriously believe what you are writing? You know how many Chileans come to Mendoza on long week-ends and befriend us at bars and nightclubs? Right now Chile (and Uruguay), are overrun by touristing argies, everyone having a great time... have you even set foot in South America?
68, Tobias, I've had the privilege to visit South America dozens of times- it's our closest neighbour. I always love spending time there. Mainly in Chile but sometimes in Argentina or further north as well. In Patagonia on both sides of the border it is obvious to me that the people in these regions feel so removed and sort of disregarded by their capital cities of BA and Santiago that they almost feel like they are a separate identity. Apart from some silly border disagreements in that area the people there get on nicely. In Santiago and BA though I find it different. Of course people visit each others countries and have fun in their bars and resorts. Its just human nature for individuals to get along. The hatred is by the people as a whole against the systems in charge that are making the decisions that affect everyone.
Tobias have you ever visited the islands that are at the centre of this debate? Do you know anything at all about them first hand?
Anyway, have a good day. I need to get out of bed soon to get ready for work. I have a very early start today.
Well, I understand how Patagonians can feel removed, so do people in the far north of Argentina, but that happens in any nation of vast size. That is nothing exclusive to Argentina, or even Chile (though historically, Chilean Patagonia has felt a bit more slighted by Santiago, sometimes staging protests and claiming they get more assistance from Argentina, their words). Heck, many in my home province of Mendoza feel that it is slighted by putting more money into the coffers than it gets in return. And there are many private studies that corroborate that. But that is uninteresting interal argentine political chinaneries. But Argentina is one of the very few countries in modern times never to have true secessionist movements. There is a unifying force across the country, somehow. I'm not sure how the Patagonians could feel neglected when they pay half for gasoline... Sure distances are longer, but we in the big cities like Mendoza, Cordoba, Rosario help subsidize that, and their salaries are higher!
Southern Cone relations, for all the colorful commentary here by some, has never been better. It may be a sad statement of how it was in the past, but no one can deny relations today compared to 40 years ago are night and day.
No I have never been to the Falklands. I'll be honest with you, I'm not hugely interested overall, which may surprise you given my presence here, yet wish the population well, with safety and peace of mind, something I hope for any citizen of this world. Of course if someday aleatory circumstances favor it, I would not refuse to go and look forward to it, but I'm not sure I ever will, I do not see how my life or work would cross paths with the islands any time soon.
a) Argentina has human right levels similar to Syria, an economy like Haiti's, and will soon collapse into a lake of fire. [not true]
b) The USA, and UK/Europe have in fact collapsed and they are propitiating the gods for salvation [not true ]
try again …..
No I have never been to the Falklands. I'll be honest with you, I'm not hugely interested overall/// for someone that has no interest, you are trying very hard,
I have never been to the Falklands, and im interested, and I care,
I have never been to the moon
Im interested and I care,
You lack self esteem perhaps .
Do not Argentineans like Argentina .
Just a thought .
It is almost inevetable that south american countries will come together, as europe has done , albeit some countries kicking and screaming. The forces involved are to great to resist.
However part of that process will be human rights & democratic freedoms go up the agenda.
By the time south america is united enough to act in concert, much of south america would not support it on human rights grounds
Malvinas recovery for Argentina must become a “Chilean cause”,
That’s a pretty COLD cause,
They say its hidden in the middle of Antarctica somewhere,
But we think it is just a myth,
But hey, we have the Falklands,
And its British .
.
How much of Argentina have you personally visited? (this is real curiosity and not an attempt to wind you up).
It must take a long time to get from one place to another by road, your country covers a huge area. It can take quite a few hours to get from where I live (central England) up to Scotland with my mates when we go on holiday.
I have been very priveleged to be able to visist the virtually every corner of the UK, from the Shetlands down to the Isle of wight. The only 2 parts I have'nt visited yet are cornwall and the isle of man.
I have toyed with the idea of going to the Falkands as a tourist, just because it is so remote. I thought it would be a bit of an adventure. Besides, I love astronomy and would like to see the southern cross and the clouds of magellan.
Would any of the Falklanders on the forums have any thoughts on this?
for all readers, Valdes has no real power in Chile in fact nobody knows him, he was only giving a personal opinion. Is well known in inner circles in the foreign relationship office that Chilean official side is with UK after all UK sold us their most powerful radar we are the second country that possess the most powerful radar of the UK, they don´t sell it to anyone that radar is the jewel the UK navy I still don´t why they gave us that piece of technology
Good luck Kelpers
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYawn. Wake me up when the current Chilean government comes out with an official statement.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Crackpot, Wake up!
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilean President Piñera
“The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over the Malvinas and other adjoining islands”
@2:
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now come up with an official statement. That one just comes from an interview with a newspaper.
Marcos Alejandro
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you Argies totally brain dead or what,
Now you want to share the sovereignty of the Falklands with Chile,
Hoping she will go to war, over ½ of the Falklands,
Why not offer the other South Americans a piece of the Falklands,
So idiots trying to sell something they don’t even own
Is beyond comprehension intelligent belief.
Your be demanding the bloody dead rise in revolt next,
.
@3 The Official Position of the Chilean State
Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas.”
Santo Domingo, República Dominicana, 7 de marzo del año 2008
The Heads of State and Government of Rio Group reaffirm their support for the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute with Britain on the Malvinas Islands Question
http://www.minrel.gob.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20100426/pags/20100426150231.php#T4
These statements merely confirm the ever closer relationship bewtween the South American republics who finally are getting over all the years of rivalry and realise that closer coperation is the way forward.Argentina-Chile trade over the years has been pathetic but is now growing spectacularly.This interdependence will bring the countries ever closer.Some island in the cold North sea will be ever more insignificant to all the republics.
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Marcos #5
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And how the hell is a statement by Rio group an official statement by chile's government? Err its not, its an official statement from the rio group (not chile) based on a majority agreement between members of Rio Group. Which members agreed however and which members did not is unkown.
@5:
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who gives a monkeys what the Rio Group says? It's cronyism pure and simple (that and trying to get Argentina to stop moaning) and nobody takes any notice of it. It allows Chile to hide in a joint statement without having to do anything about it.
And anyway, if you read the rest the the statement, it's just the same old rhetoric calling for negotiations in order to reach as soon as possible a fair, peaceful and lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute. They are supporting Argentina's rights in the dispute, and not saying that Argentina is right.
Certainly no mention of support for recovering the islands for Argentina.
And yet according to Clarin yesterday, Uruguay has apparently become, 'more flexible' over the Falklands after Argentina didn't follow through with agreeing to deepen the Martin Garcia channel, amongst other problems !
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet according to Clarin yesterday, Uruguay has apparently become, 'more flexible' over the Falklands after Argentina didn't follow through with agreeing to deepen the Martin Garcia channel, amongst other problems !
Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And obviously you did not read correctly Clarin...
tuvo mucho que ver la lógica de relacionamiento que tiene el mandatario uruguayo con la presidente Cristina Fernández, con la que de a poco va logrando destrabar asuntos pendientes entre ambas naciones y de especial al hecho de que Argentina acceda a profundizar el canal Martín García.
Argentina agree to the deepening of the MArtin Garcia Canal...Dumb,LIAR!
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Malvinas-Uruguay-flexible_0_625137520.html
Uruguay says it will not object to british carried flags...(comercial,not military),Argentina ONLY request was on MAlvinas flag!
if you cannot agree, then you will do nothing together but talk,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0now thats a good idea,
we can use earplugs
Chilean former Foreign Affairs minister and ambassador before the UN He's not even a Foreign Affairs minister! He must be a man of great importance.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 These statements merely confirm the ever closer relationship bewtween the South American republics O gara, are you ok?
@10 - Yes, and falklands flagged vessels can simply raise the red ensign or their own nations flags - So much for stopping ships travelling to and from the falklands which is what argentina wanted originally, regardless of flag used.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the ban on using South American ports is basically a failure before it even started, and it fails to change anything or make any difference. So the real question is - What is argentinas next move going to be?
9 Lord Ton
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obviusly you can't read spanish, try reading your conservative English newspaper instead:
Wednesday 11 January 2012
Scots will vote in 2014, says Salmond
Cameron's arrogant approach didn't work very well.
So a referendum in 2014 only 2 years and bye to England.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/9006302/Scots-will-vote-in-2014-says-Salmond.html
# Lord Ton...........Roger........ you already can not fool anyone.....is not posible LIE all the time, only few brainless could follow you (9 followers in your blog for be exact).
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I ask you again .... do not consider therapy ?? Everybody see that you have big problem to distinguish TRUTH-LIES equation.
Whe you feel ashamed of your own miserability, you can always use the Scottish referendum to distract people while you quickly disappear.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah...finally Chile can smell the coffee - or should say the oil - and when there are half a dozen rigs sucking that black gold out of the ground and shipping it north you will see a very different Chile emerge.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure the people of Chile will celebrate when they see that oil being shipped passed them and north into the pockets of american and european speculators lol.
I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.
Well thank you Marv - saved me the trouble of tracking the entry down, as I'd been told about it in an e-mail. My informant tells me the article mentions Uruguay allowing British flagged vessels in, even if they are from the Falklands.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's your interpretation. I'll get around to the article later.
SoFa - still 100% idiota I see :-)
Told you Mr Lorton, no problem u call me idiot......but im Not LIAR.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could u say the same ? Every time you say Good Morning! everbody go hurry to pick up the umbrella ! LIAR englishman
:)
Reveal the grounds for your allegation SoFa or be for ever seen as a fool!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Repeat after me L I A R
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats you are buddy.....and with you last fantassy pdf.....FOR EVER
Pathetic Lorton
All the countries of Latin America are in favour of the Argentinian position as a lot of other countries in the world. As an example, I´m not argentinian, but it´s clear that the British try to detract all the people who don´t support their lies because they don´t have valid arguments to steal the Malvinas Islands. UK has the Islands only because this country imposes its wrong arguments and its partial view of this issue, using the military force as it done in other territories stolen before. But don´t worry you can be sure that sooner or later the truth will prevail and the british pirate colony will end.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well you sure sound like an Argie JF. You have an Argie's biased, inaccurate view of history, and an Argies attitude to an perfectly normal military garrison. Normal after two invasions anyway. You also like the word 'pirate' which is very Argie.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's the saying? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck !
What's the saying? If it looks like a cop, lies like a Lord and quacks like a Ton, then it's probably R. Lorton !
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 22 johnfaerrel
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct which is why you will notice in this forum how only the British are making the threats. They illustrate perfectly how britain has declined as a world power and as a civilised nation and of course, they demonstrate how impotent britain has become. It is hardly surprising that british employers prefer to employ eastern europeans, as they are more intelligent than the average drink sodden foul mouthed lazy brit.
Take my advice and just sit back and relax and watch how quickly this situation will escalate from political rhetoric to crisis, with all of south america fully supporting Argentina's claim, and britain will be alone this time as the USA has too many interests in south america and politically, is a very different nation to that in 1982.
Europe will do nothing but try to persuade britain into a peaceful settlement.
A total embargo on the malvinas including a withdrawal of the air connection with Chile will soon be in force with all sea and airports in south america denied to anyone en route to or from the malvinas.
Lets see how much the british taxpayer is willing to pay to keep their beloved Islands.
@ 25 sure, and that's why there are like 7 thousand Argentines living in the UK and like 2 thousand Argentines who acquired British citizenship, because the British people are what you say. What about taking responsibility for what we do instead of blame it all on other people? A chance to grow up, it's all up to us.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 27 Los barcos desde las islas van a seguir yendo y viniendo e ingresando a los puertos de Brasil, Uruguay y Chile, como siempre. ¿De qué unión latinoamericana hablás? ¿No te da vergúenza autoengañarte de esa manera?
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we are united in Latin America? Really? Where? I didn't know that. This is not la bombonera pelotudín, this is the real world. Hacerte el cojudito acá won't ever change reality :)
A blockade of words - but the ships come and go just the same. The oil idustry in the Falklands uses Brazilian ports and Urugay accepts Islands fish. Same as usual.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sit back Dross - you'll be a long time waiting for any change !
Trying to pretend the Falklands flag is illegal is just another part of that fairy story the Argentine government uses to manipulate the masses. It is amazing how compliant the masses are. No wonder fascist can thrive there.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has changed.
@17
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.
Ooooooh...That's really scary coming from the likes of you, dago.
@17 ... you don't go past Chile when on passage fron the Falklands to Europe you dickhead....
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aircraft carrier? The british already have one...its unsinkable and its called MPA...
suck it down wogboy...
25 dreyfoss
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your post is one of the funniest things i've read on here for a while....
''You are correct which is why you will notice in this forum how only the British are making the threats.'' ........followed by.......''A total embargo on the malvinas including a withdrawal of the air connection with Chile will soon be in force with all sea and airports in south america denied to anyone en route to or from the malvinas.''
Threat anyone? Or how about....... ''I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.''.....That was you as well wasn't it?
You carry right on pal. Your comments and the other vile poison we get from most of your compatriots is the best kind of publicity we could get, illustrating perfectly why we choose not to submit to your bullying.
23 Lorn Torn
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You need to know that not only the argentinian people know that it is a british pirate colony, there are a lot of people around the world that think so, because they know that these territories were stolen using military force. It´s very clear that the british have a long history of stealing territories and the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that. In addition, you need to know that a lot of people around the world know that name of the Islands is Malvinas and not Falklands.
JF - stop believing the lies of your government, and do some research !
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
No News like old news, this will lead to what exactly? NOTHING!!!!!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ex-politians getting paid to have a rant and score points with argentina in supporting an act of colonialism against the peaceful Falkland Islanders!!
Sorry the UK and the Falklands are not interested! do call again soon!
Long Live the Falklands.
Hahahahh aha ha hahh ah ahahaha ha
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HahahaHAHHAhAhahaHAHAhAhaha
Here you have you pirats!
Chileans are our friends They don´t support Argentina
HJA haHAHAHAHAhAhahaHA
How do you like them apples?
The argentine Colonial power on the rise first the Falklands then Uruaguay and lastly Chile, when will the other Latin american states see, that signing documents in support of argentine claims undermines there own existance!!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
@38 Don´t be a Papanatas
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally irrelevant.....FORMER.......Foreign Affairs minister. A dead parrot,he is no more,He has been dug up to comment !
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 The English have taught the World how to fool the masses they have spent centuries utilizing the fools on then periphery to risk their lives in the service of the city of London bringing their savagery all over the planet.Argentina has a lot to learn on that score.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of Dross!!!
Get some History lessons and a lot more facts!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
What you all seem to miss is, the central bankers, controlled by the US Federal Reserve (read Rockefellers) and London City (the Rothchilds), need a war to distract their citizenry from the misery of their plight. There will likely be a war and, unfortunately, South America will probably fall into the trap being set.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, South America has so many natural resources, it's just too hard for them to resist.
No offense BUT, are we going to trust Chile on this issue??
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No,because Chile will NEVER trust Argentina...it has good reason to.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 045- Probably Chile will never trust us, and is the same how we feelt-
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT THEY KNOW THEIR DESTINY IS WHIT US, TOGETHER, and they can grow more faster whit us-
They cannot change that position, because all Chile know they have a lot of investments in Argentina-
A LOT-
So the reality is: you can survive ONLY BECAUSE HAVE A BRITISH FLAG-
Your identity as KELPER IS DENIED FOR ARGENTINA-CHILE-BRASIL AND URUGUAY-
You don´t exist - and your flag is ilegal for us-
That desition of Mercosur change dramatically in the politic aspects, maybe not in economic-
WE DENIED YOUR IDENTITY- and all south america say the same-
Do you understand?
Regardssssss--
@44 Los hermanos sean unidos, o los de afuera los devoran.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latinamerica has learned Martín Fierro lesson.
#47 The lesson learnt was painfull...specially about Chile....but im agree Los hermanos sean unidos we´re in 2012 and all of us, men of goodwill are looking and thinking only to the future.....LatAM time is comming.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still don't trust them
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 Maintaining us divided is what they want because it makes us weaker and easier to defeat.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LatAm has learned it can´t be on a better possition than united.
And that makes it harder for the UK to keep putting its hands down here.
@50
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are we really united? o es una paja mental?
@ 50 Yeah, sure :)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1439689-carlos-kunkel-debemos-apostar-al-desgaste-del-imperio-ingles
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listening to the Argies they are bit afraid that Condorito might pull a fast one on them. Boys, if you have such dirty laundry to sort out with Chile do it at home in LatAM (whatever the hell that means) not on here so that we can all laugh at you. Ha ha ha! LOL!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the unified lot: 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49.... it just goes on. You guys aren't on a private chat. The world is reading! LOL! THE BIG PLAN!! Ha ha ha
LatAM!!! LOL!
@ 51.- Artillero, for you in spanish-
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yo creo que hemos a prendido que le camino del desarrollo no se puede dar de manera individual, sino colectiva-
Chile sin el mercado argentino no es el mismo Chile-
Integrados NO, al menos por ahora- Pero juntos sí, en estas y en otras realidades-
Ellos tampoco confian mucho en nosotros- Pero los miles de millones de dolares, la atencion que les damos en hospitales, en educacion, etc., hacen mella de a poco en el pueblo chileno, y van generando confianza-
Saludos
55, Rosarino but are you sure they'll go as far as you'll need them too (and that will be a long long way). ..and if they do, that's some unification. Only doing it because they feel they HAVE to. Not because they want to. You must rank as amongst the world's worst neighbours. Bullying the Falklands is one thing but now LatAM is going to be formed by bullying also is it? Ha ha ha.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slds
@55
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Los Chilenos son como mis Doberman, por mas que les doy de comer, me muerden igual :-))
#57
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need to work together...es lo que hay, and is not so bad.
the other option is be a subject of a Kingdom or worst...be a colony.
Ha ha ha. LatAM
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 058' we need to work together.
No kidding. Did you just work that out?
LatAM THE GREAT LATAM!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha!
South America will only back you with deleted words and mistrust,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will never back you with anything else, military or otherwise,
CFK knows this very well, that’s why she will try anything and everything to get others to do her dirty work, threats and indoctrination works seemingly well on her own people, but not on others, who know very well no one would support Argentina against anything other than talking,
She would be condemned world wide if she tried it,, sooner or later she will tire of her own mutterings
And retire, before her own defence people put a ring round her,
When ether the brainwashed Argies believe it or not, the Falklands will be your Achilles heel,
This tiny little peaceful unarmed island will yet see the demise of the pretend giant that gave up everything to get her, and failed, how will history tell the story of a giant of a country
Pulled down and humiliated by an island 50 times smaller than argentine,
A once great country that had everything in it favour, throwing it all away, because of one persons
Deluded obsession to stalk something she can never have [the Falklands].
All talk and NO action from argentina as usual!!!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
They're holding secret LatAM (whatever the hell that is) talks. They're stuck on rule number one.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. We must get on with our LatAM neighbours if they are going to help us.
2. Don't discuss our brilliant plan LatAM with the British or Falklanders. Duh!
Oops! There's rules 1 & 2 blown out of the water already. Rules 3 through 10 still to come just as soon as rules 1 & 2 get sorted out.
LatAm! LatAM! LatAM! LatAM! Comes on amigos, dream it with me!
The biggest secret in the world,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is not to tell anyone that you have a secret in the first place,
unfortunately that doesn’t help Argentina does it,
She never stops telling every one , she has one in the first place .
62 Bruce, You sound jealous boy, while the United States and Europe sink over huge deficits, economies in Latin America surge forward and united more than ever. Brazil has overtaken the UK as the world's sixth largest economy recently,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0the governments of Chile and Uruguay ratified today to continue to prevent entry into their ports of ships carrying the British flag of the FI
And in UK Cameron is now desperately trying to keep Scotland away from independence.
What I have learned in this forum:
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) Argentina has human right levels similar to Syria, an economy like Haiti's, and will soon collapse into a lake of fire.
b) The USA, and UK/Europe have in fact collapsed and they are propitiating the gods for salvation
Funny, I was sold another store outside my front door.
Off the back of a wagon was it ?
Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 062, Marcos, why does Chile hate you so much mate? I asked a groups of Chileans at a party once why they all hated Argentina so much. Their reply was that they hated Argentina because it was full of Argentines.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Far from desperate Marcos. Just keeping a cautious eye on things. Like you would if you were walking in a park with your wife and just a few yards away there was a group of rude, aggressive, dirty and obviously lacking in IQ juvenile delinquents hanging around with nothing better to do than try to terrorise everyone around them.
Bruce,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chileans do not hate Argentines. Of course there are factions on both side of the border that hate each other's guts, mostly for stupid stuff, but you seriously believe what you are writing? You know how many Chileans come to Mendoza on long week-ends and befriend us at bars and nightclubs? Right now Chile (and Uruguay), are overrun by touristing argies, everyone having a great time... have you even set foot in South America?
68, Tobias, I've had the privilege to visit South America dozens of times- it's our closest neighbour. I always love spending time there. Mainly in Chile but sometimes in Argentina or further north as well. In Patagonia on both sides of the border it is obvious to me that the people in these regions feel so removed and sort of disregarded by their capital cities of BA and Santiago that they almost feel like they are a separate identity. Apart from some silly border disagreements in that area the people there get on nicely. In Santiago and BA though I find it different. Of course people visit each others countries and have fun in their bars and resorts. Its just human nature for individuals to get along. The hatred is by the people as a whole against the systems in charge that are making the decisions that affect everyone.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias have you ever visited the islands that are at the centre of this debate? Do you know anything at all about them first hand?
Anyway, have a good day. I need to get out of bed soon to get ready for work. I have a very early start today.
Well, I understand how Patagonians can feel removed, so do people in the far north of Argentina, but that happens in any nation of vast size. That is nothing exclusive to Argentina, or even Chile (though historically, Chilean Patagonia has felt a bit more slighted by Santiago, sometimes staging protests and claiming they get more assistance from Argentina, their words). Heck, many in my home province of Mendoza feel that it is slighted by putting more money into the coffers than it gets in return. And there are many private studies that corroborate that. But that is uninteresting interal argentine political chinaneries. But Argentina is one of the very few countries in modern times never to have true secessionist movements. There is a unifying force across the country, somehow. I'm not sure how the Patagonians could feel neglected when they pay half for gasoline... Sure distances are longer, but we in the big cities like Mendoza, Cordoba, Rosario help subsidize that, and their salaries are higher!
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Southern Cone relations, for all the colorful commentary here by some, has never been better. It may be a sad statement of how it was in the past, but no one can deny relations today compared to 40 years ago are night and day.
No I have never been to the Falklands. I'll be honest with you, I'm not hugely interested overall, which may surprise you given my presence here, yet wish the population well, with safety and peace of mind, something I hope for any citizen of this world. Of course if someday aleatory circumstances favor it, I would not refuse to go and look forward to it, but I'm not sure I ever will, I do not see how my life or work would cross paths with the islands any time soon.
wonder just how much the Argentine secret service paid him to say that, where's geo? he'd know!
Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah a Chilean James Peck. Now he'll get a free Argentinian passport.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
65 tobias (#)
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I have learned in this forum:
a) Argentina has human right levels similar to Syria, an economy like Haiti's, and will soon collapse into a lake of fire. [not true]
b) The USA, and UK/Europe have in fact collapsed and they are propitiating the gods for salvation [not true ]
try again …..
No I have never been to the Falklands. I'll be honest with you, I'm not hugely interested overall/// for someone that has no interest, you are trying very hard,
I have never been to the Falklands, and im interested, and I care,
I have never been to the moon
Im interested and I care,
You lack self esteem perhaps .
Do not Argentineans like Argentina .
Just a thought .
.
Trying very hard to do what? Exactly, enlighten me, I have low -self esteem remember... Oh I just learned that from you. The teacher of myself :)
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you underestermate your self .
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is almost inevetable that south american countries will come together, as europe has done , albeit some countries kicking and screaming. The forces involved are to great to resist.
Jan 13th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However part of that process will be human rights & democratic freedoms go up the agenda.
By the time south america is united enough to act in concert, much of south america would not support it on human rights grounds
Malvinas recovery for Argentina must become a “Chilean cause”,
Jan 13th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That’s a pretty COLD cause,
They say its hidden in the middle of Antarctica somewhere,
But we think it is just a myth,
But hey, we have the Falklands,
And its British .
.
@Tobias.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How much of Argentina have you personally visited? (this is real curiosity and not an attempt to wind you up).
It must take a long time to get from one place to another by road, your country covers a huge area. It can take quite a few hours to get from where I live (central England) up to Scotland with my mates when we go on holiday.
I have been very priveleged to be able to visist the virtually every corner of the UK, from the Shetlands down to the Isle of wight. The only 2 parts I have'nt visited yet are cornwall and the isle of man.
I have toyed with the idea of going to the Falkands as a tourist, just because it is so remote. I thought it would be a bit of an adventure. Besides, I love astronomy and would like to see the southern cross and the clouds of magellan.
Would any of the Falklanders on the forums have any thoughts on this?
Even Chile is on side with Argentina simply proves to Show the Latin American
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0movement will continue to be stronger brittain is lost.
no it is not, grea britain, is in the british isles, 21 miles of the coast of northern france,
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0more argentine retoric .
lol 80 how about we exchange some fine Argentine wine for some fine Britt Port.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0very witty, briton!
Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0we are not lost, we know where we are,everyone else is lost!
for all readers, Valdes has no real power in Chile in fact nobody knows him, he was only giving a personal opinion. Is well known in inner circles in the foreign relationship office that Chilean official side is with UK after all UK sold us their most powerful radar we are the second country that possess the most powerful radar of the UK, they don´t sell it to anyone that radar is the jewel the UK navy I still don´t why they gave us that piece of technology
Jan 17th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck Kelpers
I still don´t why they gave us that piece of technology.... Chile was an allied in the conflict of '82, do you remember that? I do !!
Jan 17th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thank you
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0where would we be, if we could not laugh sometimes
inbetween debates,
and drinking tea,
we would still be british, and the rest, mmmm, onlookers perhaps, tickle tickle .
@83 Gianni,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is because we like you.♥
We used to like Argentina, too. ln the 19th century, but now they keep trying to steal our land.
out of time fellers
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0time to grow up
the gauntlett has been thrown
man or boy
pick it up, or just throw more insults like a child.
They won't pick it up, briton.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. All they will do is throw insults.
agreed
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