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Malvinas recovery for Argentina must become a “Chilean cause”, says former minister

Tuesday, January 10th 2012 - 21:57 UTC
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Chilean former Foreign Affairs minister and ambassador before the UN, Juan Gabriel Valdes has called for Chileans to adopt the Argentine sovereignty claim over the Malvinas Islands --disputed with the UK--, as a “Chilean cause”. Read full article

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  • Crackpot

    Yawn. Wake me up when the current Chilean government comes out with an official statement.

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    1 Crackpot, Wake up!

    Chilean President Piñera
    “The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over the Malvinas and other adjoining islands”

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Crackpot

    @2:
    Now come up with an official statement. That one just comes from an interview with a newspaper.

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Marcos Alejandro
    Are you Argies totally brain dead or what,
    Now you want to share the sovereignty of the Falklands with Chile,
    Hoping she will go to war, over ½ of the Falklands,
    Why not offer the other South Americans a piece of the Falklands,

    So idiots trying to sell something they don’t even own
    Is beyond comprehension intelligent belief.

    Your be demanding the bloody dead rise in revolt next,
    .

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    @3 The Official Position of the Chilean State
    “Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas.”
    Santo Domingo, República Dominicana, 7 de marzo del año 2008

    “The Heads of State and Government of Rio Group reaffirm their support for the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute with Britain on the Malvinas Islands Question”


    http://www.minrel.gob.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20100426/pags/20100426150231.php#T4

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    These statements merely confirm the ever closer relationship bewtween the South American republics who finally are getting over all the years of rivalry and realise that closer coperation is the way forward.Argentina-Chile trade over the years has been pathetic but is now growing spectacularly.This interdependence will bring the countries ever closer.Some island in the cold North sea will be ever more insignificant to all the republics.

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @Marcos #5

    And how the hell is a statement by Rio group an official statement by chile's government? Err its not, its an official statement from the rio group (not chile) based on a majority agreement between members of Rio Group. Which members agreed however and which members did not is unkown.

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Crackpot

    @5:
    Who gives a monkeys what the Rio Group says? It's cronyism pure and simple (that and trying to get Argentina to stop moaning) and nobody takes any notice of it. It allows Chile to hide in a joint statement without having to do anything about it.

    And anyway, if you read the rest the the statement, it's just the same old rhetoric calling for “negotiations in order to reach as soon as possible a fair, peaceful and lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute.” They are supporting Argentina's rights in the dispute, and not saying that Argentina is right.
    Certainly no mention of support for “recovering” the islands for Argentina.

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    And yet according to Clarin yesterday, Uruguay has apparently become, 'more flexible' over the Falklands after Argentina didn't follow through with agreeing to deepen the Martin Garcia channel, amongst other problems !

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    And yet according to Clarin yesterday, Uruguay has apparently become, 'more flexible' over the Falklands after Argentina didn't follow through with agreeing to deepen the Martin Garcia channel, amongst other problems !
    And obviously you did not read correctly Clarin...
    “tuvo mucho que ver la lógica de relacionamiento que tiene el mandatario uruguayo con la presidente Cristina Fernández, con la que de a poco va logrando destrabar asuntos pendientes entre ambas naciones y de especial al hecho de que Argentina acceda a profundizar el canal Martín García.”
    Argentina agree to the deepening of the MArtin Garcia Canal...Dumb,LIAR!
    http://www.clarin.com/politica/Malvinas-Uruguay-flexible_0_625137520.html
    Uruguay says it will not object to british carried flags...(comercial,not military),Argentina ONLY request was on MAlvinas flag!

    Jan 10th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    if you cannot agree, then you will do nothing together but talk,
    now thats a good idea,
    we can use earplugs

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    “Chilean former Foreign Affairs minister and ambassador before the UN” He's not even a Foreign Affairs minister! He must be a man of great importance.

    @ 6 “These statements merely confirm the ever closer relationship bewtween the South American republics ” O gara, are you ok?

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @10 - Yes, and falklands flagged vessels can simply raise the red ensign or their own nations flags - So much for stopping ships travelling to and from the falklands which is what argentina wanted originally, regardless of flag used.

    So the ban on using South American ports is basically a failure before it even started, and it fails to change anything or make any difference. So the real question is - What is argentinas next move going to be?

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    9 Lord Ton
    Obviusly you can't read spanish, try reading your conservative English newspaper instead:
    Wednesday 11 January 2012
    “Scots will vote in 2014, says Salmond”
    Cameron's arrogant approach didn't work very well.
    So a referendum in 2014 only 2 years and bye to England.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/9006302/Scots-will-vote-in-2014-says-Salmond.html

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    # Lord Ton...........Roger........ you already can not fool anyone.....is not posible LIE all the time, only few brainless could follow you (9 followers in your blog for be exact).

    I ask you again .... do not consider therapy ?? Everybody see that you have big problem to distinguish TRUTH-LIES equation.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Whe you feel ashamed of your own miserability, you can always use the Scottish referendum to distract people while you quickly disappear.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dreyfoss

    Ah...finally Chile can smell the coffee - or should say the oil - and when there are half a dozen rigs sucking that black gold out of the ground and shipping it north you will see a very different Chile emerge.
    I am sure the people of Chile will celebrate when they see that oil being shipped passed them and north into the pockets of american and european speculators lol.
    I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Well thank you Marv - saved me the trouble of tracking the entry down, as I'd been told about it in an e-mail. My informant tells me the article mentions Uruguay allowing British flagged vessels in, even if they are from the Falklands.

    What's your interpretation. I'll get around to the article later.

    SoFa - still 100% idiota I see :-)

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    Told you Mr Lorton, no problem u call me idiot......but im Not LIAR.

    Could u say the same ? Every time you say “Good Morning!” everbody go hurry to pick up the umbrella ! LIAR englishman

    :)

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Reveal the grounds for your allegation SoFa or be for ever seen as a fool!

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    Repeat after me L I A R

    Thats you are buddy.....and with you last fantassy pdf.....FOR EVER

    Pathetic Lorton

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • johnfarrel2050

    All the countries of Latin America are in favour of the Argentinian position as a lot of other countries in the world. As an example, I´m not argentinian, but it´s clear that the British try to detract all the people who don´t support their lies because they don´t have valid arguments to steal the Malvinas Islands. UK has the Islands only because this country imposes its wrong arguments and its partial view of this issue, using the military force as it done in other territories stolen before. But don´t worry you can be sure that sooner or later the truth will prevail and the british pirate colony will end.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Well you sure sound like an Argie JF. You have an Argie's biased, inaccurate view of history, and an Argies attitude to an perfectly normal military garrison. Normal after two invasions anyway. You also like the word 'pirate' which is very Argie.

    What's the saying? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck !

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    What's the saying? If it looks like a cop, lies like a Lord and quacks like a Ton, then it's probably R. Lorton !

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dreyfoss

    @ 22 johnfaerrel
    You are correct which is why you will notice in this forum how only the British are making the threats. They illustrate perfectly how britain has declined as a world power and as a civilised nation and of course, they demonstrate how impotent britain has become. It is hardly surprising that british employers prefer to employ eastern europeans, as they are more intelligent than the average drink sodden foul mouthed lazy brit.
    Take my advice and just sit back and relax and watch how quickly this situation will escalate from political rhetoric to crisis, with all of south america fully supporting Argentina's claim, and britain will be alone this time as the USA has too many interests in south america and politically, is a very different nation to that in 1982.
    Europe will do nothing but try to persuade britain into a peaceful settlement.
    A total embargo on the malvinas including a withdrawal of the air connection with Chile will soon be in force with all sea and airports in south america denied to anyone en route to or from the malvinas.
    Lets see how much the british taxpayer is willing to pay to keep their beloved Islands.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 25 sure, and that's why there are like 7 thousand Argentines living in the UK and like 2 thousand Argentines who acquired British citizenship, because the British people are what you say. What about taking responsibility for what we do instead of blame it all on other people? A chance to grow up, it's all up to us.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rmalone

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 27 Los barcos desde las islas van a seguir yendo y viniendo e ingresando a los puertos de Brasil, Uruguay y Chile, como siempre. ¿De qué unión latinoamericana hablás? ¿No te da vergúenza autoengañarte de esa manera?

    So we are united in Latin America? Really? Where? I didn't know that. This is not la bombonera pelotudín, this is the real world. Hacerte el cojudito acá won't ever change reality :)

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    A blockade of words - but the ships come and go just the same. The oil idustry in the Falklands uses Brazilian ports and Urugay accepts Islands fish. Same as usual.

    Sit back Dross - you'll be a long time waiting for any change !

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Trying to pretend the Falklands flag is illegal is just another part of that fairy story the Argentine government uses to manipulate the masses. It is amazing how compliant the masses are. No wonder fascist can thrive there.

    Nothing has changed.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @17
    “I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.”

    Ooooooh...That's really scary coming from the likes of you, dago.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @17 ... you don't go past Chile when on passage fron the Falklands to Europe you dickhead....

    Aircraft carrier? The british already have one...its unsinkable and its called MPA...

    suck it down wogboy...

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    25 dreyfoss

    Your post is one of the funniest things i've read on here for a while....
    ''You are correct which is why you will notice in this forum how only the British are making the threats.'' ........followed by.......''A total embargo on the malvinas including a withdrawal of the air connection with Chile will soon be in force with all sea and airports in south america denied to anyone en route to or from the malvinas.''

    Threat anyone? Or how about....... ''I would get those aircraft carriers built fast gringos.''.....That was you as well wasn't it?

    You carry right on pal. Your comments and the other vile poison we get from most of your compatriots is the best kind of publicity we could get, illustrating perfectly why we choose not to submit to your bullying.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • johnfarrel2050

    23 Lorn Torn
    You need to know that not only the argentinian people know that it is a british pirate colony, there are a lot of people around the world that think so, because they know that these territories were stolen using military force. It´s very clear that the british have a long history of stealing territories and the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that. In addition, you need to know that a lot of people around the world know that name of the Islands is “Malvinas” and not “Falklands”.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    JF - stop believing the lies of your government, and do some research !

    http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Papamoa

    No News like old news, this will lead to what exactly? NOTHING!!!!!

    Ex-politians getting paid to have a rant and score points with argentina in supporting an act of colonialism against the peaceful Falkland Islanders!!

    Sorry the UK and the Falklands are not interested! do call again soon!

    Long Live the Falklands.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    Hahahahh aha ha hahh ah ahahaha ha
    HahahaHAHHAhAhahaHAHAhAhaha

    Here you have you pirats!
    “Chileans are our friends” “They don´t support Argentina”

    HJA haHAHAHAHAhAhahaHA

    How do you like them apples?

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Papamoa

    The argentine Colonial power on the rise first the Falklands then Uruaguay and lastly Chile, when will the other Latin american states see, that signing documents in support of argentine claims undermines there own existance!!

    Long Live the Falklands.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    @38 Don´t be a Papanatas

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    Totally irrelevant.....FORMER.......Foreign Affairs minister. A dead parrot,he is no more,He has been dug up to comment !

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    30 The English have taught the World how to fool the masses they have spent centuries utilizing the fools on then periphery to risk their lives in the service of the city of London bringing their savagery all over the planet.Argentina has a lot to learn on that score.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Papamoa

    @41
    What a load of Dross!!!
    Get some History lessons and a lot more facts!!!!

    Long Live the Falklands.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • laceja

    What you all seem to miss is, the central bankers, controlled by the US Federal Reserve (read Rockefellers) and London City (the Rothchilds), need a war to distract their citizenry from the misery of their plight. There will likely be a war and, unfortunately, South America will probably fall into the trap being set.

    Besides, South America has so many natural resources, it's just too hard for them to resist.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    No offense BUT, are we going to trust Chile on this issue??

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    No,because Chile will NEVER trust Argentina...it has good reason to.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rosarino

    45- Probably Chile will never trust us, and is the same how we feelt-
    BUT THEY KNOW THEIR DESTINY IS WHIT US, TOGETHER, and they can grow more faster whit us-
    They cannot change that position, because all Chile know they have a lot of investments in Argentina-
    A LOT-

    So the reality is: you can survive ONLY BECAUSE HAVE A BRITISH FLAG-
    Your identity as KELPER IS DENIED FOR ARGENTINA-CHILE-BRASIL AND URUGUAY-
    You don´t exist - and your flag is ilegal for us-
    That desition of Mercosur change dramatically in the politic aspects, maybe not in economic-

    WE DENIED YOUR IDENTITY- and all south america say the same-

    Do you understand?

    Regardssssss--

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    @44 Los hermanos sean unidos, o los de afuera los devoran.

    Latinamerica has learned Martín Fierro lesson.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    #47 The lesson learnt was painfull...specially about Chile....but im agree “Los hermanos sean unidos” we´re in 2012 and all of us, men of goodwill are looking and thinking only to the future.....LatAM time is comming.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    I still don't trust them

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    @49 Maintaining us divided is what they want because it makes us weaker and easier to defeat.

    LatAm has learned it can´t be on a better possition than united.
    And that makes it harder for the UK to keep putting its hands down here.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @50

    Are we really united? o es una paja mental?

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 50 Yeah, sure :)

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1439689-carlos-kunkel-debemos-apostar-al-desgaste-del-imperio-ingles

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bruce

    Listening to the Argies they are bit afraid that Condorito might pull a fast one on them. Boys, if you have such dirty laundry to sort out with Chile do it at home in “LatAM” (whatever the hell that means) not on here so that we can all laugh at you. Ha ha ha! LOL!

    Look at the unified lot: 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49.... it just goes on. You guys aren't on a private chat. The world is reading! LOL! THE BIG PLAN!! Ha ha ha

    LatAM!!! LOL!

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rosarino

    @ 51.- Artillero, for you in spanish-

    Yo creo que hemos a prendido que le camino del desarrollo no se puede dar de manera individual, sino colectiva-
    Chile sin el mercado argentino no es el mismo Chile-
    Integrados NO, al menos por ahora- Pero juntos sí, en estas y en otras realidades-

    Ellos tampoco confian mucho en nosotros- Pero los miles de millones de dolares, la atencion que les damos en hospitales, en educacion, etc., hacen mella de a poco en el pueblo chileno, y van generando confianza-

    Saludos

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bruce

    55, Rosarino but are you sure they'll go as far as you'll need them too (and that will be a long long way). ..and if they do, that's some unification. Only doing it because they feel they HAVE to. Not because they want to. You must rank as amongst the world's worst neighbours. Bullying the Falklands is one thing but now LatAM is going to be formed by bullying also is it? Ha ha ha.

    Slds

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @55

    Los Chilenos son como mis Doberman, por mas que les doy de comer, me muerden igual :-))

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    #57

    We need to work together...es lo que hay, and is not so bad.

    the other option is be a subject of a Kingdom or worst...be a colony.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bruce

    Ha ha ha. “LatAM”

    58' we need to work together.

    No kidding. Did you just work that out?

    “LatAM” THE GREAT LATAM!!!

    Ha ha ha ha ha!

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    South America will only back you with deleted words and mistrust,
    They will never back you with anything else, military or otherwise,

    CFK knows this very well, that’s why she will try anything and everything to get others to do her dirty work, threats and indoctrination works seemingly well on her own people, but not on others, who know very well no one would support Argentina against anything other than talking,

    She would be condemned world wide if she tried it,, sooner or later she will tire of her own mutterings
    And retire, before her own defence people put a ring round her,
    When ether the brainwashed Argies believe it or not, the Falklands will be your Achilles heel,
    This tiny little peaceful unarmed island will yet see the demise of the pretend giant that gave up everything to get her, and failed, how will history tell the story of a giant of a country
    Pulled down and humiliated by an island 50 times smaller than argentine,
    A once great country that had everything in it favour, throwing it all away, because of one persons
    Deluded obsession to stalk something she can never have [the Falklands].

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Papamoa

    All talk and NO action from argentina as usual!!!

    Long Live the Falklands.

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bruce

    They're holding secret “LatAM” (whatever the hell that is) talks. They're stuck on rule number one.

    1. We must get on with our “LatAM” neighbours if they are going to help us.
    2. Don't discuss our brilliant plan “LatAM” with the British or Falklanders. “Duh!”

    Oops! There's rules 1 & 2 blown out of the water already. Rules 3 through 10 still to come just as soon as rules 1 & 2 get sorted out.

    LatAm! LatAM! LatAM! LatAM! Comes on amigos, dream it with me!

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The biggest secret in the world,
    Is not to tell anyone that you have a secret in the first place,

    unfortunately that doesn’t help Argentina does it,
    She never stops telling every one , she has one in the first place .

    Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    62 Bruce, You sound jealous boy, while the United States and Europe sink over huge deficits, economies in Latin America surge forward and united more than ever. Brazil has overtaken the UK as the world's sixth largest economy recently,
    the governments of Chile and Uruguay ratified today to continue to prevent entry into their ports of ships carrying the British flag of the “FI”
    And in UK Cameron is now desperately trying to keep Scotland away from independence.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    What I have learned in this forum:

    a) Argentina has human right levels similar to Syria, an economy like Haiti's, and will soon collapse into a lake of fire.
    b) The USA, and UK/Europe have in fact collapsed and they are propitiating the gods for salvation

    Funny, I was sold another store outside my front door.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Off the back of a wagon was it ?

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bruce

    62, Marcos, why does Chile hate you so much mate? I asked a groups of Chileans at a party once why they all hated Argentina so much. Their reply was that they hated Argentina because it was full of Argentines.

    Far from desperate Marcos. Just keeping a cautious eye on things. Like you would if you were walking in a park with your wife and just a few yards away there was a group of rude, aggressive, dirty and obviously lacking in IQ juvenile delinquents hanging around with nothing better to do than try to terrorise everyone around them.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Bruce,

    Chileans do not hate Argentines. Of course there are factions on both side of the border that hate each other's guts, mostly for stupid stuff, but you seriously believe what you are writing? You know how many Chileans come to Mendoza on long week-ends and befriend us at bars and nightclubs? Right now Chile (and Uruguay), are overrun by touristing argies, everyone having a great time... have you even set foot in South America?

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bruce

    68, Tobias, I've had the privilege to visit South America dozens of times- it's our closest neighbour. I always love spending time there. Mainly in Chile but sometimes in Argentina or further north as well. In Patagonia on both sides of the border it is obvious to me that the people in these regions feel so removed and sort of disregarded by their capital cities of BA and Santiago that they almost feel like they are a separate identity. Apart from some silly border disagreements in that area the people there get on nicely. In Santiago and BA though I find it different. Of course people visit each others countries and have fun in their bars and resorts. Its just human nature for individuals to get along. The hatred is by the people as a whole against the systems in charge that are making the decisions that affect everyone.

    Tobias have you ever visited the islands that are at the centre of this debate? Do you know anything at all about them first hand?

    Anyway, have a good day. I need to get out of bed soon to get ready for work. I have a very early start today.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Well, I understand how Patagonians can feel removed, so do people in the far north of Argentina, but that happens in any nation of vast size. That is nothing exclusive to Argentina, or even Chile (though historically, Chilean Patagonia has felt a bit more slighted by Santiago, sometimes staging protests and claiming they get more assistance from Argentina, their words). Heck, many in my home province of Mendoza feel that it is slighted by putting more money into the coffers than it gets in return. And there are many private studies that corroborate that. But that is uninteresting interal argentine political chinaneries. But Argentina is one of the very few countries in modern times never to have true secessionist movements. There is a unifying force across the country, somehow. I'm not sure how the Patagonians could feel neglected when they pay half for gasoline... Sure distances are longer, but we in the big cities like Mendoza, Cordoba, Rosario help subsidize that, and their salaries are higher!

    Southern Cone relations, for all the colorful commentary here by some, has never been better. It may be a sad statement of how it was in the past, but no one can deny relations today compared to 40 years ago are night and day.

    No I have never been to the Falklands. I'll be honest with you, I'm not hugely interested overall, which may surprise you given my presence here, yet wish the population well, with safety and peace of mind, something I hope for any citizen of this world. Of course if someday aleatory circumstances favor it, I would not refuse to go and look forward to it, but I'm not sure I ever will, I do not see how my life or work would cross paths with the islands any time soon.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    wonder just how much the Argentine secret service paid him to say that, where's geo? he'd know!

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    Ah a Chilean James Peck. Now he'll get a free Argentinian passport.

    Philippe

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    65 tobias (#)
    What I have learned in this forum:

    a) Argentina has human right levels similar to Syria, an economy like Haiti's, and will soon collapse into a lake of fire. [not true]

    b) The USA, and UK/Europe have in fact collapsed and they are propitiating the gods for salvation [not true ]
    try again …..
    No I have never been to the Falklands. I'll be honest with you, I'm not hugely interested overall/// for someone that has no interest, you are trying very hard,

    I have never been to the Falklands, and im interested, and I care,
    I have never been to the moon
    Im interested and I care,
    You lack self esteem perhaps .
    Do not Argentineans like Argentina .
    Just a thought .

    .

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Trying very hard to do what? Exactly, enlighten me, I have low -self esteem remember... Oh I just learned that from you. The teacher of myself :)

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    you underestermate your self .

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    It is almost inevetable that south american countries will come together, as europe has done , albeit some countries kicking and screaming. The forces involved are to great to resist.
    However part of that process will be human rights & democratic freedoms go up the agenda.
    By the time south america is united enough to act in concert, much of south america would not support it on human rights grounds

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Malvinas recovery for Argentina must become a “Chilean cause”,
    That’s a pretty COLD cause,
    They say its hidden in the middle of Antarctica somewhere,
    But we think it is just a myth,
    But hey, we have the Falklands,
    And its British .
    .

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @Tobias.

    How much of Argentina have you personally visited? (this is real curiosity and not an attempt to wind you up).

    It must take a long time to get from one place to another by road, your country covers a huge area. It can take quite a few hours to get from where I live (central England) up to Scotland with my mates when we go on holiday.

    I have been very priveleged to be able to visist the virtually every corner of the UK, from the Shetlands down to the Isle of wight. The only 2 parts I have'nt visited yet are cornwall and the isle of man.

    I have toyed with the idea of going to the Falkands as a tourist, just because it is so remote. I thought it would be a bit of an adventure. Besides, I love astronomy and would like to see the southern cross and the clouds of magellan.

    Would any of the Falklanders on the forums have any thoughts on this?

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    Even Chile is on side with Argentina simply proves to Show the Latin American
    movement will continue to be stronger brittain is lost.

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    no it is not, grea britain, is in the british isles, 21 miles of the coast of northern france,
    more argentine retoric .

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    lol 80 how about we exchange some fine Argentine wine for some fine Britt Port.

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    very witty, briton!
    we are not lost, we know where we are,everyone else is lost!

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gianni

    for all readers, Valdes has no real power in Chile in fact nobody knows him, he was only giving a personal opinion. Is well known in inner circles in the foreign relationship office that Chilean official side is with UK after all UK sold us their most powerful radar we are the second country that possess the most powerful radar of the UK, they don´t sell it to anyone that radar is the jewel the UK navy I still don´t why they gave us that piece of technology
    Good luck Kelpers

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    “I still don´t why they gave us that piece of technology.... ”Chile was an allied in the conflict of '82, do you remember that? I do !!

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    thank you
    where would we be, if we could not laugh sometimes
    inbetween debates,
    and drinking tea,

    we would still be british, and the rest, mmmm, onlookers perhaps, tickle tickle .

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @83 Gianni,
    That is because we like you.♥
    We used to like Argentina, too. ln the 19th century, but now they keep trying to steal our land.

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    out of time fellers
    time to grow up
    the gauntlett has been thrown
    man or boy
    pick it up, or just throw more insults like a child.

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    They won't pick it up, briton.
    You are right. All they will do is throw insults.

    Jan 19th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    agreed

    Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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