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Chile ratifies its position and denies existence of a Malvinas blockade

Thursday, January 12th 2012 - 12:32 UTC
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Chile ratified this week that vessels flying the Malvinas flag will continue to be barred from Chilean ports and that the country’s position relative to the issue has not changed and denies the existence of a blockade. A brief statement from the Chilean Foreign Affairs ministry indirectly refers to the latest statement by UK Foreign Secretary William Hague. Read full article

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  • Lord Ton

    :-)

    So the vessel flys the Falkland's flag until it gets near the port, changes to the Red Ensign as it enters. Does its business, and on the way ou puts the Falklands flag up again - and Argentina thinks it gained something!!

    Funny !!

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cero

    is very disconcerting, poor people must have a very strong personality conflict. they don´t want to live in Argentina but live in Argentina. they want to be British, or to be like the British, but they aren´t. they are nothing, so sad.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    they are nothing, so sad

    Not as sad as wishing the Falklands would belong to Argentina

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    They must respect Chile's position... is it hard to understand?

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THOR94

    @4 Hard to understand because its illegal....

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    William Hague, anything else you wish to add? :-)))

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    They do whatever they want to do, that's the point...
    I insist...Is it hard to understand?

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ces

    I cannot believe that We Chileans are being manipulated by the argentinians. They cowardly stole Patagonia from us right in the middle of a war to defend ourselves from the Peru-Bolivia condeferation in order to re-establish the Inca Empire. They've been claiming land since I can remember. Do they need more land space to contain poverty and corruption??
    Unbelievable! I feel terribly ashamed of having such a weak and coward government in Chile. No dignity left. Shame on us!

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    @8 Ask your government... If you're from Chile “really”

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 9 what's the difference if he is or not from Chile? he's telling the truth, that's all that matters.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    It's just someone from Fackland “pretending” to be Chilean, which is pathetic if you ask me

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 11 He's Chilean, and he's telling what at least 90% of Chileans think. Stop insisting with a Latin America brotherhood that is just a myth. No one likes fascists. Which is pathetic is your attitude, you believe that because you repeat the lies you yourself believe, countries like Uruguay and Chile will have to lick our b*tt just because you don't want to accept the truth, that is pathetic, if you ask me. He's Chilean, and 90% of Chileans would give everything the have to erase our country from the face of the earth, but if you want to believe your own lies thinking that Chileans love us and the there is something called Latin America brotherhood, it's all up to you :)

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I spoke to some Chilean friends yesterday and they expressed the same sentiments as @8.
    They were also fed up with the Argentine tourists causing havoc on the roads with their bad driving and not spending money. I shall see for myself when I get there next month. : )

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    Yes and I spoke to my friends in Mongolia and New Zeland and they also said that All people in Latin America are sooooo bad... Bad bad bad people!!!

    Of course, I am not from Uruguay, I am from Czech Republic....

    And where are you from Elaine? Algeria?

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 14 LOL!

    Tis the truth. I took a couple of Chilean friends on a trips to Argentina (different times and different areas). Neither had visited before and both were completely surprised at the lower standard of living there. I guess they experienced the difference between what an Argentine says and the reality.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @6 - ”William Hague, anything else you wish to add? :-)))”

    Yeah, he forgot to mention that our nuclear sub patrolling the south atlantic around the falklands has a war head on it that has your name on it. Now when did you say your birthday was marco - Just out of interest of course ;)) LOL

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    Elaine, I forgot to say that I just got a call from my friends in Ukrania and guess what.... They just called me to say that Argentines are bad people!! Isn't that incredible????

    Tell me Elaine, did you get more calls? from where?
    C'mon, you must have friends in Spain or Finland or Latvia or Korea! Yes Korea!! We should ask them too!

    Cmon! Post your comments fast! I'm aging here!
    xbarilox you can help Elaine, she needs your support...

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kipling

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    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @xbarilox

    Let's assume your statement is true (90% want to “wipe” Argnentina off).

    And you are complaining about Facism?

    :o

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 17 cheap jokes, lying again, you make me feel embarrassed. Please go to sleep.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    Tis the truth. I took a couple of Chilean friends on a trips to Argentina (different times and different areas). Neither had visited before and both were completely surprised at the lower standard of living there. I guess they experienced the difference between what an Argentine says and the reality.
    AAAHHHAHAH elaine....WHy soo many Chileans live in Argentina then....Lower standard?/I depends where you are....Santiago and surrounding they have water/sewer services..many towns in Chile are lacking basic facilities...I also travel to CHile,Brazil etc....The Argentines lives pretty good,better than many English in uk....elaine: You are a LIAR!

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kipling

    20, i recommend u to sale everything u have in Malvinas, and go out. U have less time, more conflicts are comming, wait!

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    “Chile ratifies its position and denies existence of a Malvinas blockade”

    1) Got it ?

    “Chile ratified this week that vessels flying the Malvinas flag will continue to be barred from Chilean ports”

    2) Got it ?

    “..if the vessels fly any other flag which is not that of the Malvinas Islands, which Chile does not recognize, they can call and dock in the country’s ports. ”

    3) Got it ?

    ”A brief statement from the Chilean Foreign Affairs ministry indirectly refers to the latest (wrong) statement by UK Foreign Secretary William Hague.”

    4) Got it ?

    “..the Ministry of Foreign Relations must underscore that Chile will continue to apply, in accordance with International Law and Chilean legislation, the measures destined to impede vessels flying the flag of the Malvinas Islands from entering Chilean ports...”

    5) Got it ?

    How many FACTS you need for understand that NOBODY in LATAM will EVER recognise your supposed “rights” ? you´re only british invaders and you have rights of course in your loved UK...thats a FACT.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 19 Ask the Chileans :)
    Why should I not complain about Fascism? Is it forbidden?

    @ 22 I recommed you a glass of single malt Scotch, stop crying and smile, then go to sleep.

    @ 21 They live in Argentina, so what? For you that means they will give up on their rights just because they live in Argentina? Are you that silly? They can live where they want. Reality is here, if you don't want to see it, that's ok, it's your madness :)

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ces

    I just want to stand by my position in regards the Falklands issue. However, what I stated earlier is about the islands and the islands alone. I'm not for wiping off Argentina or anything like it. I do not hate Argentina. This is strictly about the islands. Therefore, I think we are all entitled to have a view on this matter. We have the right to disagree.If you have more jobs available in Argentina,well, great, really. I don't believe in a brotherhood either as otherwise There wouldn't be clashes between Argentina and Uruguay as it has recently happened and so forth.
    I believe in cooperation but also in a certain degree of competition as this makes us better ourselves. But yes, we have a different view and that's OK. This blog, I believe, should not be used for “fighting” in it or speaking using offensive language from whichever side they may come from.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Xbedabe talks as well as writes rubbish to feel connected
    Isolde does the same and has imaginary friend who say what she wants to hear
    Lordton has degenerate to mindless trash
    William Hague has continued with false claims of,Chile in this case,law breaking,as did Bellingham.
    Soon they'll be claiming Argentina has weapons of mass destruction.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @xbarilox

    You are complaining about Facism (I assume in Argentina), yet see nothing wrong or disturbing with your own statistic of 90% of Chileans wanting to wipe off Argentina. Is that cool to you,assuming you are correct? :o

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gianni

    listen lord Ton #1
    “So the vessel flys the Falkland's flag until it gets near the port, changes to the Red Ensign as it enters. Does its business, and on the way ou puts the Falklands flag up again - and Argentina thinks it gained something!!

    Funny !!”

    that the real fact what Chile and others latin countries do, they made Argies happy with false hopes

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 23
    Fact 1 : no one cares about flags.
    Fact 2: vessels are coming and going from and to the falklands, from and to the rest of the world.
    Fact 3: They recognize the rights of the islanders, that's why those countries will never do anything that goes against the islanders.
    Fact 4: Uruguay, Brazil, Chile keep the money, Argentina keeps vacuous words.

    @ 25 The Malvinists want other countries to go against themselves just because they say we are brothers, for them Malvinas cause is something the world should get involved in. Countries are free to choose, but Malvinists don't know the meaning of that.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @xbarilox

    I hope you don't live in Argentina :)

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 30 I do. Reading your question I understand that to be an Argentine one must be stupid, fanatic and blind, I'm not an Argentine then :)

    @ 27 It's not cool or uncool, it's the result of the choices we make. Our actions have consequences and we have to live with it.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

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  • briton

    We don’t think Chile want to do anything,
    It is being browbeaten to do it,
    The fact remains the so called blockade is in taters,
    It is a complete waste of time, and Argentina knows it, nothing symbolic to the masses,
    But this is what happens when you ask a child to do an adults job .

    .

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 32 Did your tantrum change the fact that ships are coming and going from and to the Falklands? Not.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    What a shame....!!! Our Foreigm Affairs Ministry is becoming a laiar, probably too much proximity to our neighbor similar authority......

    IF YOU DENY THE ARRIVAL OF A COMERCIAL SHIP FROM A DETERMINED COUNTRY OR DENY THE PASSING THROUGH INTERNATIONAl WATERS (AS THE MAGELLAN STRAIT IS) JUST FOR USING HER OWN NATIONAL FLAG THAT MEANS “BLOCKADE” AND NO OTHER WORDS CAN BE USED TO DESCRIBE IT......

    What actually doesn´t exist is a group of islands called Malvinas......if you check the world map. Maybe it was confused with the Atlantide.....a myth, of course as Malvinas.....

    In the South Atlantic Ocean just exist a group of islands called Falklands Islands inhabited by brithis descendants from over 9 generations, and some other islands as South Georgias and South Sandwich Is.

    http://maps.google.cl/maps?hl=es&tab=wl

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @21 You seem to overlook the fact that many Argentines live without basic services, 3 million to start with in the shanty towns around Buenos Aires. And if you venture into the poorer provinces you can see real poverty.

    I have spent considerable time in both countries and the standard of living in Chile is better. It is certainly more expensive to live there but in all other aspects it trumps Argentina. IMO

    I love spending time in Argentina. I like the craziness and eccentricity of the people. The 'live for the moment because tomorrow it could all be gone again' is infectious. I never fail to have a good time there but I would never live or invest money there.

    Chile, on the other hand, would make a great country to have a second home. It is cleaner, safer, more reliable, beautiful, plus the government and authorities are the least corrupt in South America. It is the good house in a bad neighbourhood.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    And the Chilean position is? Being bent over and shafted in the butt by Argentina.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 30/ ** 31/ **32/ **33/ **36

    could there be any “” NED “” member(s) here ??

    do you know the meaning of “” NED“” ??
    means that “” the National Endowment for Democracy “” !!

    do you know it's story ??

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    nope
    only members of I.S
    indocrinated society

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    I love spending time in Argentina. I like the craziness and eccentricity of the people. The 'live for the moment because tomorrow it could all be gone again' is infectious. I never fail to have a good time there but I would never live or invest money there.

    Good for you Elaine.Instead I live and I invest i Argentina,like 40 millions do.
    BTW,70% of the shantytown population in Argentina comes from neighbouring countries.
    So good for you,I know half of the world,and Argentina has very good services in General.Even small towns in the Andes,have very good roads,Electricity,Internet,Excelents wines.,excelent food,very good Tourist facilities,very good schools...c'mon...I know Argentina,USA,Italy,uk ....
    IS your opinion,how much you know Argentina or Chile elaine???

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 39 brit

    Allen Weinstein who helped draft the legislation establishing “ NED ”
    said in a Washington Post interview in 1991 “”.. a lot of what we do today
    was done covertly 25 years ago by CIA...“” ...interesting !.. isn't it ...!!

    in the early 1980 ' years ,structured as a plauisbly private “ NGO ”
    aims of intelligence to work more efficiently......

    is it enough ??'

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    so we may not have stepped onto the moon,
    and aliens have most certainly been here,
    both concidered as an CIA conspiracy,
    true or false .

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    ElaineB I hope Argentinian people are the only ones you like because I wouldn't want any other people liked by you with all the negativity you post about the people you love.
    Xbedado you need to emigrate there is no logic to living with people you have no respect for.It must be torture and a drain on Argentina.
    37# well done for making up your own world.You express it so well and your concern for Chile is admirable.I'm sure the appreciate your concern.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 42 brit

    NED supports more than 1000 projects of non-governmental groups
    abroad who are working for democratic aims in more than 90 countries.!

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    What difference does it make? There are millions living without basic services in Argentina and that is a fact.

    Yes, some small towns have good roads, others do not. I remember one time spending three hours driving on dirt tracks to get to a very lovely town in the Andes. Then there was a blackout in the middle of supper in a restaurant, so we ate by the light of the waiter's car headlights . : ) This was, apparently a regular occurance.

    Still, it was a memorable evening as we sat drinking wine by candlelight in the hotel with a descendent of President Roca. He gave a very interesting version of the genocide that basically followed the line that 'the native people were Chilean so they were trespassing on Argentine soil and deserved to die'. We had a lively but respectful debate before retiring in the early hours. Power was restored in the morning after 12 hours. (The locals blamed the people of Buenos Aires for stealing their power but outside of BsAs they are blamed for every misfortune or bad event).

    And I have visited a number of schools in Buenos Aires that, to be honest, I would not send a dog to, let alone a child. My friends there talk candidly of the terrible underfunding and poor facilities unless you pay. Worse still are the endless strikes by teachers.

    Now, all of this is considerably better than some other Latin American countries I have visited and I admire the fact that Argentina tries to offer free education where many countries do not . But there is a considerable difference between what constitutes good education in the Southern Cone compared to developed countries.

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    44 geo
    That does not answer the question
    Was it a CIA conspiracy or not,
    ///////////////
    Tell me

    .

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 32 Vos que te decís nacionalista, patriota, y popular, mientras te alegrás de que lo peor de Sud América venga a vivir a nuestro país sin control. Mientras este gobierno que vos apoyás se alegre de tener relaciones con basuras como Chávez. Cuando vos seas patriota y nacionalista de verdad, vas a poder tener algo de autoridad moral para reclamarme por mi falta de patriotismo. Ustedes que son viejitos deberían dar el ejemplo. Cuando hagan algo más que estas mariconadas de cambios de banderita que no sirven para nada más que para que todos los países nos tomen de b¨ludos, ahí yo voy a ser patriota. Cuando comencemos a depender de nosotros y no de la basura apátrida que nos gobierna y nos somete a la vergüenza de tener que depender de otros, hasta tanto metete tu patriotismo berreta en el c*lo. Yo a diferencia tuya, no me pongo contento de que mi país quede como una nación de maricones. De esa nación yo no voy a ser parte jamás, vos sí, si hasta te pondrias feliz de ver la banderita venezolana flameando en plaza de mayo. ¿Qué me vas a reclamar vos a mí gil?
    @ 43 ¿qué me vas a reclamar vos a mí, alcahuete de Cristina y Néstor? Andá a hacerte el patriota con la basura boliviana que invade nuestro país, antes de reclamar un patriotismo y un nacionalismo que vos no tenés y jamás has tenido.
    ”we have had productive and honest discussions with Uruguay, Chile and Brazil. All three countries have said that they have no intention of participating in an economic blockade of the Falkland Islands and that all Falklands-related commercial shipping will continue to enjoy access to their ports, in accordance with domestic and international law, if they are flying the Red Ensign or another national flag when docked”and we have had what, apart from the empty words of Kunkel and the lady of the gland? we have had nothing.
    @ 45 You've seen nothing yet, in some provinces, children go to school in containers. You don't know what is like to spend your day in containers in summer or winter

    Jan 12th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    45 honest answer please when were you last in Argentina?
    47 still In Videlas time I see the good old days werent they xbarilox you had a ball then didnt you

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 48 Videla! sos cualquiera, O gara. Pero qué te puede importar a vos lo que pase en Argentina si no vivís en Argentina. Stay in Ireland, paddy.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    Yes, some small towns have good roads, others do not. I remember one time spending three hours driving on dirt tracks to get to a very lovely town in the Andes. Then there was a blackout in the middle of supper in a restaurant, so we ate by the light of the waiter's car headlights . : ) This was, apparently a regular occurance.

    Regualar? Well, not were I live,and we had some very hot weather,with High Energy consumption due to A/C.
    BTW,You DO NOT know Argentina! I have free acces to Europe,due to an European Passport,and do you know elaine,How many Spaniards leave Spain to settle to Argentina? Between 30-40 a day..
    Do you know how many new cars were produced and sold in Argentina in 2011? 1 million! plus 2 million motrocycles!
    Construction is booming,to get a plumber or electrician,you need to wait 1 month,at least....

    http://www.adefa.com.ar/v2/index.php

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kipling

    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-185321-2012-01-12.html
    y la OEA, MERCOPRESS, come on, good news for u

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Morales is funny :-)

    http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/bolivia-accuses-britain-of-collusion-with-chile/

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Karl101

    Argentina wants the hole of Latin America to comply with it's childish demands over ownership of another country.

    “This paragraph triggered an immediate reaction from Argentina which contacted the three countries mentioned in the statement.”

    Visions of seeing various Argentine ministers dummies being thrown out of their prams.

    It's hard to read that news and take it seriously. Anywhere else, it would sound hysterical. But with Argentina, its like, well they've had 250 years of children running their country, why grow up now?

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    It's hard to read that news and take it seriously. Anywhere else, it would sound hysterical. But with Argentina, its like, well they've had 250 years of children running their country, why grow up now?
    You are soo stupid karl!
    Morales is funny :-)

    And you are pathetic lord!

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rmalone

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  • lsolde

    Does Morales know how Argentines look at his people living in slums in BsAs?
    Oh well, if he wants to sleep with the tiger, he must expect the concequences(wrong simile, more like a toothless neutered old moggy)!
    @26,
    Yuleno is angry with me because l wouldn't walk into his trap!
    @54Malvinero1,
    You have surprised me! An actual post where you remembered to lift your fingers from the keyboard! Well done.
    So, you'll keep the standard up & there'll be no more of:-
    AHAAAAAAAAAAA or ARHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAAAAA?
    @23 so_far,
    You are the one who doesn't get it, bradco.
    And you're not going to get it either(the Falklands, that is)!

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  • O gara

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  • ElaineB

    @57. Get a grip. You are way too fixated on me personally and my location. Do you really think I would reveal my movements to someone with such a tenuous grip on sanity?

    Neither will I respond further to your infantile DEMANDS for answers. Go away, learn some manners and how to ask a question politely.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr Carrizal

    What's actually funny/ironic about Morales' statement is that, the Bolivian President who precipitated the War of the Pacific, Hilarion Diaz, was a semi-literate sergeant who had shot his way into the presidency...
    His gutless failure to show up at and help the Peruvians effect a pincer movement to crush the Chilean army early on during the hostilities - all too hard to travel through the desert, you know, so they went home - allowed the Chileans to procede and eventually sack Lima, etc, etc...
    Prior to hostilities, Diaz had been scheming and conspiring to screw Chile. The Peruvians should have been smarter and avoided being roped in. And guess what? They, like other losers and malcontents left rotting in their dreams, are still whinging and bitching about it!!!

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    47# yabidabido.that is the longest post I've seen from you.Is it the poor people you don't like or the way they are treated or that you have a problem with yourself?I tend to believe the third one,but you are becoming more articulate in your posts.Have you anything interesting to comment on?

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    58 yoy are so funny.Really Walter Mitty was a rock of sense compared to you.We all know little wounded one you have never set foot on Argentine soil.I would have had some.real fun savaging this response before but someone like you are in all probability very vulnerable and in need of pity not contempt

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    56 lsolde @26,
    Yuleno is angry with me because l wouldn't walk into his trap
    he has much to learn.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 62 When you speak a truth that feels uncomfortable for them they seek to undermine your character. Tis childish but expected. Ignoring is the only way to deal with tantrums.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • Kipling

    24 xbarilox, drink too much that u were adviced about the problem. Enjoy with your scott. The unique hobby in the fuckland island.

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  • xbarilox

    @ 64 your balls? you don't have balls. You didn't give me anything, you or your family. I don't even know who you are. Crocodile tears, your twisted patriotism and cheap nationalism makes me laugh. You believe that you can claim something belongs to you, and the other people must obey and give it to you to comply with your orders, just because you are a patriot, if that's how you show your love for your country, with lies, putting your own country to shame :) What world are you living in Rosarino?
    You don't even have the basic skills of a homo sapiens, walk away silently, Rosarino, please.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @66 I have seen some of these places already. It does not represent all of Argentina but it is a part some seek to deny exists. It doesn't fit with the claim that, “Everyone feels rich in Argentina”. A quote from one of the CFK fanclub.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    63 ElaineB
    You are of course correct .

    66 Rosarino
    we can assure you, they will not move one inch, and afterward they will remain in exactly the same place as before .
    .

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Xbabi-you are writing lots.None of it any more interesting than ElaineB who is trying to tell Argentinians about their own country.That's the colonial superior mentality still manifest.As rosarino64# says,you get everything from Argentina.Why don't you return to you motherland and be happy.Argentina will recover from it's loss

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    The OAS supports Mercosur decision.

    Its Secretary General doesn´t understand the UK stubbornes to send ships carrying the (non existent) FIs flag when it is forbidden in Mercosur.

    It must be hard to be part of a continent that considers you ilegal occupants.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    71 Islas Malvinas

    'It must be hard to be part of a continent that considers you ilegal occupants.'???

    Well no, not really.
    For most of our 178 year history we have flown our own flag wherever we chose and been welcomed as friends by our South American neighbours.
    Your current round of political grandstanding is not our fault or our responsibility. And it will end, and sooner rather than later is my prediction.
    Your government will realise that it is getting nowhere and is setting itself up for humiliation.
    It will also realise that most Argentines couldn't care less about the Falkland Islands. Certainly not enough to be defied and humiliated by 3000 islanders.
    The whole thing will just melt away.
    Then the British base at MPA will be scaled back, we will probably go for some form of independence and we will all be friends again.

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  • O gara

    63 ignoring also allows us to continue having those lovely day dreams and of course again ignores ths simple question WHEN but of course the answer is NEVER.
    69 Ahhhhh shucks you really are a nice guy Briton well done
    71 And of course thats exactly what they are illegal occupants the planters of the empire

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  • xbarilox

    @ 70 Interesting.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @47 You are right, I haven't seen the container school yet but it does not surprise me. The country CFK fans wants to portray is all fur coat and no knickers.

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  • Conqueror

    @70 I don't think you really understand. EVERYWHERE is superior to the cesspit (argieland).

    @71 Do you understand what you mean to us? You are NOTHING, SQUAT, ZERO.

    Here's a clue. Do you understand the concept of 'flag of convenience'? Now trot off and see whether you can figure out the number of boats/ships/vessels that operate under a 'flag of convenience'. When you have figured that out, you will be able to figure how much difference it makes to the Falklands. Of course, the Falklands would prefer to fly their own flag, but sometimes you have to go through the motions for the “kiddies”.

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  • Islas Malvinas

    @76 It is you who doesn´t exist. In any case...

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    BUTT what does it matter what you think 76#,Chile is showing solidarity with the rest of south America in the cause of Argentina's pursuit of justice.
    Flags of convienience are not a problem but they are used to pay poor salaries,BUTT you knew that.

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  • geo2

    ** 46 brit

    “” NED“” is a private,nonprofit foundation dedicated to the growth and strenghtening of democratic institutions around the world.

    They are storied 2003/04 Ukraine,Georgia,.. Tibet,Myanmar,recent
    Arab moves...BUT ... these are not convincing which made by these NGOs, maybe they had been used as the Media destabilization tools.....
    ---------------------------
    at the my next post there will be NGO's general casting worldwide...

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    there are 3 kinds of “” NGO“” in the world.
    -----------------------
    1) General Consultative NGOs ...[ 138 units]

    these NGOs tend to have a broad geographical reach...
    ------------------------
    2) Special Consultative NGOs ... [2137 units]

    these NGO's tend to be smaller and more recently established...
    ------------------------
    3) Roster Status NGOs ... [1070 units]

    these organizations that apply for consultative status but do not
    fit in any of the other categories since they have a narrow/technical focus...
    -----------------------------------------------
    NGO status by regions :

    Europe : 37 %.......N.America : 29 %........Asia : 16 %
    Africa : 11 %...... Latin America : 6 % ......Oceania : 1 %

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  • briton

    Islas Malvinas
    It must be hard to be part of a continent that considers you illegal occupants
    100% correct, still, Argentina just has to put up with it, or pack her bags and go home,
    [just as well we are an island ]

    rosarino64
    if you stop being rabid, they would not remove your posts,
    for if you posted it properly,
    it would get delivered, would it not .?

    77 Islas Malvinas
    @76 It is you who doesn’t exist. In any case

    [[ if he doesn’t exist then why are you speaking to him .]]

    [///////////////////////////

    Chile is showing solidarity with the rest of south America,
    Even uni-bond , comes unstuck eventually ] .

    79 geo2
    It still does not help the current situations,

    .

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  • O gara

    Ahh Conqueror hows the wife is she happy today?.Did the old back stick it out?
    Doubtful by the tone it seems its another day of frustration.You should try some of the others day dreaming tricks.They imagine they are in a lovely sunny country reading books on Corrientes, its soothing to the mind if debilitating to your sense of reality but in your case that would be a plus too dont you think?

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Elaine,
    You seem to be upsetting some of the great unwashed, keep it up girl.
    l enjoy your posts.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @83 Thank you. I enjoy your posts too. : )

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 81 brit

    THEN

    you should keep in touch with NGOs running in England
    to help the current situations about the country in depression.....!!

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rosarino

    @81 briton, thank you for your comments-

    Its sucks to read how people who USE the benefits to live in this beautiful country says biggest idioteces all the time-
    The traitors are not welcome anywhere: they are only used for necessary causes and then forgotten, and always maintain a status that stain their lives forever.
    And he look very young to understand or very stupid to learn that-

    Anyway, I argue that ignore and disregard the flag of the island is a giant step taken by diplomacy Argentina-If you want a banner, go to the Decolonization Committee of the UN, you will find a very pretty blue and white-
    About Scotland, I knew scotlands, they always has the pretention to be differents, and they are.
    If you compare scotlands and englishmans, you will find scotlands are very very similar to argentines- The difference is only the Scotch-

    Regards

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    If you compare scotlands and englishmans, you will find scotlands are very very similar to argentines- The difference is only the Scotch-
    I agree rosarino.We have Scotts friend from my grandad's daysAnd Yes I find a lot of connection with them!

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 86 ros

    No ! the Argentine European origin population have similair genetic codes & kinship with Welshs not Scots ....!!

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Well the Scot come from Eire, the welsh Britons
    The English from Britons Celts Anglo’s Saxons Vikings
    The Irish, from Eire and England and Scotland,
    The picks from Scotland and England,
    The welsh from Wales and English,
    Very complicated,
    But whenever they like it or not, they were ALL born and originated in the
    British Isles, or Britannica.
    And was a sprinkle of Danish I think .
    Together the [4] wise men
    W-elsh
    I-rish
    S-cots
    E-nglish
    W-I-S-E-

    WE have to be,.

    Jan 13th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 82 For O gara and Rosarino, the Bolivian lovers, worrying about Scotland while laughing at Argentina. You'll enjoy the images.

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1440272-hicimos-todo-para-frenarlo-pero-fue-imposible-conto-el-hombre-que-grabo-el-video-en-la-ruta-11

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    briton we had nothing to do with you until just like the Malvinas you put planters on the ground after your lust for land but with one exception.Of course in Ireland we had to contend with ethnic cleansing which happened on a gentle scale on the Malvinas as you were so sure the Sudacas would be nothing.
    But now they are awake and the saxons are being sent home everywhere

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rosarino

    xbarilox, it hurts my eyes to read your posts-
    What a piece of jerk you must be personally-
    I'm glad people like you think like you-
    As you can infer that we are “Bolivians lovers” and relate it to an accident by unscrupulous people who drink while driving?
    What is the connection that set the neurons in your brain when you make such an argument?
    I can only think that sometime in your life you've fallen in your own cesspool in the back of your house and you drink your own poison and all left something there.
    It's amazing what you can be-jerk
    I wrote to the queen to quickly accept you in their midst-
    You don´t have any idea what kind of people bolivians are; they work in a lot of activities whit an excellent performance-
    Go to sleep little leech xenophobic

    no regards

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  • geo

    ** 89 brit

    there are neither Briton Celt nor Anglo Saxon Vikings definitions...

    Welshs are completely different origin as race/ language...

    Scots origin is from Danish/Norwegian ....

    Irish are from Celt/Gots directly from Europe....

    English origin is mixed from Roman era....
    this language based from Roman time mixed North Europe
    population's languages which derivated as synthesis....

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @93geo,
    At least 30% of Southern lreland is of English descent.
    Google, the Yola. for a partial explanation.
    Also many English catholics emigrated to lreland(& Poland!).
    Originally English was similar to Friesan(Dutch, German border)but has changed due to additions of Danish/Norwegian then French.
    lt also absorbed Latin because of the church.
    Everyone is mixed, people move & intermarry all the time.
    So you cannot generalise the way you have done in post # 93.

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    they will never understand the british,
    and if you cant understand them
    you will never learn

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 94 isol

    i explained their ehnicity and it's origin not religion/migration...
    England word is derivated from old Roman-Latin dialect which was
    “” Engliose “” means that “” far place “” ..!
    Brittania word explains a place seperately...
    Briton word defines a heterogene group.....!

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Isolde and elaineB o enjoy your posts.Glad your here.Xbedabe I enjoy your posts.Glad your here.One day you might go somewhere else,like Bolivia,and that would be sad.For Bolivia.

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    96 geo your wrong again,

    Jan 14th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    hundreds of mails of arguing each other doesn't really bring you all on.

    There is other ways to channelize your energy:

    If you are Falklander or British, join UK to fight the Argies:
    http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Manrod78

    Si sos argentino y queres hacer pagar a los piratas, unete a Argentina:
    http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Manrod78

    ;)

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Crackpot

    @96 geo: “England word is derivated from old Roman-Latin dialect which was
    “” Engliose “” means that “” far place “” ..!

    Not sure where you got that one from geo, but it's not correct.

    The words ”English“ and ”England” derive from the name of the Germanic people who migrated to Britain in the 5th century. They traced their ancestry to Angeln in Denmark and were therefore known as the Engle or Angles (or ‘Anglii’ in Latin).

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @96geo,
    Crackpot @ 100 is correct.
    Angle-land = England
    Angles = Anglish = English
    --------------------------------------------
    Experts are unsure about the word Britannia.
    lts possible that it came from Pretannia, which has some connection with the Picts, who were thought to inhabit modern England before the Celts arrived in about 500bc.
    The Britons were a Celtic speaking people who were in possession of the land when the Romans arrived in, l think, 47ad.
    Celtic speaking but, in blood, mixed with the original inhabitants.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Britishness is a creation of the city.England rules the island known as Great Britain.It likes to convey to the World the Unued Kingdom just as the Russians did with the USSR.But just as with the USSR the periphery is awakning and a large amount of Scots are beginning to see they have been screwed for centuries.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr Carrizal

    @101, Breton? Bretagne? Britanny?
    @102, Did you ever see “Trainspotting” ?
    One could argue that the Scots are too apathetic to go for the full monty, and are happy enough if the sassenachs stay, largely, south of the border...

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @103 Dr Carrizal,
    Britanny in France(peopled by the Bretons)was named after the Britons who fled there in about 500ad, to escape from the Anglo-Saxons.
    Britanny was originally called Armorica
    l believe their language is very similar to Welsh.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    geo, where do you got this fairy tail from? (England = “Far place”)

    Indeed the British are mostly the result of immigration from Angeln und Sachsen (Angles and Saxony) , 2 northern german regions known nowerdays as “Schlewsig-Holstein” for the Angles and “Niedersachsen” for the Saxons... so UK is somewhat a german colony, like it or not , nicht wahr? ;)

    In Germany, when we talk about the english or british trends and culture, we mostly refer to it as “Angelsächsische Kultur” ...

    According to Cristina's logic, she should complain @ Angela Merkel, as she would be the responsible contact for the argentine complaint of maintaining “colonies” in the 21st century (aka GB and Falklands)

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    102 No i never saw it.You are probably right the Scots appear to be an apathetic lot but even they seem to be moving out of their slumber with the arrogance shown them by the city

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  • geo

    mates ..!! Ok !
    BUT
    i investigate the origin of “” English “” name/word ??

    i didn't talk about the race/ethnic origin of English..indeed
    their physiognomies are not similair as German race have...

    do we know even a word from Welsh language ? ..no !
    i ask why does their language is far different..??
    i ask why no any other group has same language..??

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Crackpot

    @117 geo: “do we know even a word from Welsh language ? ..no ! i ask why does their language is far different..?? i ask why no any other group has same language..??”

    Not sure what you mean there geo. There are still lots of Gaelic languages out there in addition to Welsh, including Irish gaelic, Scottish gaelic, Manx gaelic (Isle of Mann), Cornish gaelic, Breton gaelic.

    @105 ”Indeed the British are mostly the result of immigration from Angeln und Sachsen (Angles and Saxony)”

    I'm not sure if that is really true. The Angles and Saxons certainly had a major cultural impact on Britain, but they probably had no more impact on the gene pool than any of the other populations migrating to Briton (Roman's, Vikings, Normans, etc). In fact, genetic evidence suggests that three quarters of the ancestors of the current population of England arrived in Britain over 7500 years ago. Rather than the Anglo-Saxons influencing the English gene pool, it is more likely that that they already had a shared genetic history with the ancient Britons before they arrived.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    You can dress it as you want…….. Angles….. Saxons….. Normans…… Vikings……

    Fact is that the vast majority of Britons are no other than second rank Scandinavians and that’s the way the cookie crumbles :-)

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    like you perhaps,
    All africans together then ?

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kipling

    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-185509-2012-01-15.html
    People from MERCOPRESS.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    www.telytubbies.com
    people from the nut house.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Crackpot

    @109 Thtink
    ”You can dress it as you want…….. Angles….. Saxons….. Normans…… Vikings…… Fact is that the vast majority of Britons are no other than second rank Scandinavians and that’s the way the cookie crumbles :-)

    I could live with that (if it was true, which it isn't) - I have great respect for the Scandinavians (with the exception of one turnip, in particular). You seem to think that the British might have some issue with it. We don't - we are the product of multiple migrations of people from all over the world (like many other countries) and proud of it. All are welcome to come and join our gene pool.

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    If I examine my family history I find that I am about 1/8 Irish, but I count myself as an Englishman through and and through, and proud of it. I am also proud to be British.

    There is probably more types of foreign influence in my DNA than Bassett has allsorts.

    Besides , lets face it, only the best Swedes, Norwegians and Danes came over here when they went viking. I have no issue with the Norsemen - they gave my local town its' name.

    Does think have an inferiority complex?

    Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    What is in a name,
    is it not true, that we are all humans, on the planet earth

    Only divided by mans dream of being different .

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @114 SHB,
    Churchill stated that the British owe an immense debt to the Vikings.
    As the second Germanic invasion, they altered our gene pool so much that it made us all the stronger & set us upon the path to empire.
    So when these silly Argentines go on about the past “evils” of the British Empire, it must be the fault of the Vikings, ne c'est pas?
    Taking that to a “logical” Argentine conclusion, it must all be señor Think's (as a Scandinavian)fault that we conquered lndia :-)♥

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @ Isolde 116

    LOL - Think made us do it ( heads for longship).

    @115 briton - too true

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    #116...wow Isolde, I feel compelled to recognize....

    Never saw you using such a deep logic for reach a conclusion coming from you Mrs holligan girl....thats was good, glad to see your improvements.

    clap clap

    :)

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    LOL“ Elaine La Bruja”
    Your so envious of Argentina's progress perhaps you should blog
    about the mess thats going on in Brittain than wasting your time on this site
    after all you dont belong on Mercosur , Argentines have one of the higherst literacy rates per capita in the world and the highest educacted work force in Latina America so do your homework donkey.

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Crackpot

    @119
    I'm not sure what your point is about literacy rates.
    Whatever it is, I think you probably need to do do some more homework yourself. Admittedly, the UK comes a poor equal 20th in the UN Development Program's literacy ratings. However, Argentina comes in at 58th, below Uruguay at 50th and way below Guyana at equal 20th. Several Carribean nations are also above Argentina (Cuba is 2nd - some might class them as Latin America).

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    perhaps like most indocrinoughts,
    they missed out the [five , 5 ]

    Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @118 so_far,
    What's a “holligan”? ls it something like a hologram?
    l neither ask for, nor need your approval, savage. :-)♥

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @119

    For a moment I felt like I was back in Argentina or Chile. I lost count of the times I heard men there refer to women as witches. Direct from the Catholic indoctrination where all women a witches, right? *rolls eyes* It really is like time travel going to the Southern Cone.

    This is an English language news site open to everyone interested in the stories. I comment on the stories here. You have no power to moderate here. This is not Argentina where the government seeks to stifle free speech in the press and make protests against the government terrorist acts.

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Elaine, this is indeed not a friendly world (bruja), though I think it's not something you can stigmatize whole countries with (Chile or Argentina) .

    Every country on the world has this kind of dirty verbal discrimination, in UK maybe they do not use “witch” (though I would not sign that), but rather other words which I will not name here and sound even worse than “bruja”.

    Strangely, when I have heard someone call a woman a “bruja” in Chile, to 95% its OTHER WOMEN saying that! This is very notorious...
    The resting 5% of man who use this word, do generally use it for a specific person, which is quite universal I think... mothers-in-law.
    Is it that different in the Falklands or UK to file a case a AI or to believe its something particular from the “south-cone” ?

    Don't think so...

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    when the argies feel threatend,
    the insults flow fast and quickly,
    perhaps its a south american way of saying,
    you have been beaten by a lady, and the best form of defence, is insults .
    justa thought .

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr Carrizal

    DOM used to be a joke, or at least more light-hearted than its literal translation, especially in this PC day and age (Politically Castrated?)
    It didn't used to have the connotations of paedophilia and sexual abuse

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @124. Ahh, you make some fair points but I have heard it used many times in Chile and Argentina. It really is not an insult in the UK, more of a tease or even used affectionately, though it is rare to hear it at all. I was not at all offended.

    The first few times I heard it in both Chile and Argentina I assumed it was being used in the same way but there was a distinct edge. So, I asked about it. It is not unusual in Catholic countries for women to be painted negatively and repressed. As I have said, it does not offend me at all but it is interesting that it is considered an insult and widely used, even by the younger generation. As one young chap said to me, “All women are witches”. : )

    Another time I was having lunch with a chap in Chile and we were discussing just about everything. He was a man with very definite views so I sat and let him talk as it was highly entertaining. (I won't go into his theories on Pinochet and how he never did anything wrong but was framed by the communists. I accept this is a polarising subject). Eventually, we discussed my recent trip to Chiloe and the folk law. He leant in and looked around before telling me in hushed tones that there was a town 200 km south of Santiago where all the women are witches. He really believed it but I suspect he just couldn't get a date.

    Yes, I agree, I think women are often their own worst enemies and quick to put down other women. My female friends in Chile tell me the women are incredible competitive and possessive about their men. Something I keep in mind when meeting their chaps. : )

    Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @127 Elaine,
    To me it is a compliment to be called a witch.
    All people have certain powers that with training can be harnessed.
    Not all witches are hags who ride broomsticks! Thats propaganda.
    Witchcraft is the remnant of the old religion before Christianity.
    lt was “demonised” by the church in the middle ages, as the Christian priests didn't like competition.
    lt is a natural faith of the rhythms of mother Earth.
    What is this town of witches, south of Santiago? Sounds interesting!
    l will have to take my daughters for a visit!

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    You should be happy to be called a witch.It recognises your sensitivity and rootedness,even if you are of a religious belief which structure to a male hierarchy.Contact at an emotional level with heaven and earth is something positive.But are you really witches?

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @128 & 129. Yes, as I said, it didn't offend me in the slightest.

    I shall have to look up the name of the town from my copious notes but I am heading that way if a few weeks so I might divert to investigate when I have some free time.

    Have you been to the beautiful Island of Chiloe, Isolde? You would love all the folk law and stories of witches covens. I especially liked El Trauco, the ugly troll with a huge penis, responsible for impregnating all unmarried women. (Rather than admit it was probably that Uncle you never like to leave your kids alone with). It is a unique place and I could tell you some tales from there. : )

    I am not a witch, I think. But I totally get the whole concept of the old religions. I remember a discussion with a theologian in Rome; he pointed out that for a good two hundred years after Christianity began it was doubtful if people would fully embrace it, So, it was quite normal for the old and new religions to be practised on the same ground, just to hedge their bets, as it were. It was all about bums on seats back then and giving the masses what they wanted to stay in power.

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cero

    devuelvan las malvinas y vuelvan al reino unido, ladrones!!!

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    When you leave Argentina and go back to Spain Conquistador Bandito!

    Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @130 Elaine,
    Thank you for your posts.
    There are many traces of the old religion in Christianity.
    Easter is from the Goddess Eostre, the Goddess of Spring(in the northern hemisphere), the rebirth of the world after the death of winter.
    Easter, Christ rose again from the dead.
    The easter egg, the egg is a fertility symbol.
    Many, many others. Christmas was close to the winter solstice, where if something wasn't done(Celtic human sacrifice), then the days would keep getting shorter & shorter until it was only night.
    Race memories of a volcanic eruption, perhaps, that blotted out the sun for some days or even weeks.
    The early Christian missionaries had to incorperate parts of the old religion to win converts.
    No, l have never been to Chile, but l intend to in the not too distant future.
    l'll have to have a close look at El Trauco, for research only, of course :-))

    Jan 19th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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