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UK must stop stealing the South American Resources now. First, the british stole the land using the military force, after that, they continued stealing the resources (oil and gas, fish, among others). Perhaps, as a consequence, in a short term, UK can obtain some additional earnings, however you need to take into account that all South America will never forget these thefts, therefore in a long-term view it´s clear that it will be worse for this country.
The Malvinas Islands are Argentinian. All the world knows the long history of the stealing of different lands performed by UK. The Malvinas Islands are only a little example of it. UK must to know that the pirate time is over. I´m not surprised that the british people support the position of UK, because, they have a partial view of this matter. However you need to know that, a lot of people around the world in different countries know the truth since a long time ago.
Yes the Malvinas Islands are Argentinian. With the military force, UK could steal the Islands, however in this way, this country with a pirate culture, won´t be able to change this truth.
10, Johnfarrel2050, you are certainly one boring individual. If the islands are Argentine when do you figure they'll have them? Give me a date because I want to make sure I'm around on the day they pick up the key.
When do you think? 30th of January 2012? 20th of February 2012? LOL! Or maybe the 1st of April 2012. Or do you think it will take longer? Maybe before the end of 2012? Or would you you like a little longer?
Would it be better if we select a year? Let's play hot or cold! Tell me when I'm getting warmer.
Okay?
You ready?
When I get nearer to the year you start saying warmer, then warmer still, then hot, hotter' etc. you got it?
Congratulations Bruce you are very funny, but you have to know that I am not a fortune teller to guess the future. However, you need to know too that it is not necessary to be a fortune teller to understand the truth. Therefore, NOW a lot of people in the the world know that UK has the Islands because this country has stolen them, using military force, but without any valid argument. This is the truth NOW AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. Don´t need to wait for that.
Johnny,
1) You are very wrong. We have a perfect right to these lslands & THAT is the truth whether you like it or not.
2) And we are NOT going to give them to you & THAT is the truth also.
3) And we do not care thata lot of people in the world, bla bla bla etc & that is the truth also.
So what are you going to do about it except talk? de nada, nuzzing, ziltch. zero. diddly squat.
Maybe your new friends, the Bolivians, will do your fighting for you.?
Isolde,
Of course, you are very wrong. However, I´m not surprised of your opinion, you have the british partial view of this issue. You need to know that the Islands have been stolen by your country. In addition, of course, UK sooner or later will give back to the Argentinian these Islands (I´m not Argentinian). You need to take in mind that it´s not necessary to be Argentinian to know that they have the reason in this discussion. Of course, Britain, probably does not pay attention to the opinion of the lot of people in the world who tell the truth and the people who request to this country to negotiate with Argentina because your country only pays attention to some, friends countries, who support your interests. But you need to know that a lot of people are telling your country the truth that UK doesn´t want to hear because the british prefer to continue obtaining earnings stolen of different kind of resources (fish, oil and gas, among others). These present earnings, obtained by UK are very small if you compare them with the worse political and economical problems that this country will suffer in the future, as a consequence of stealing all these resources.
If the Islands did not obtain any earning to live, UK would have sent an economical help to the islanders. Therefore, if the Islands obtain earnings, it can solve a problem to UK. Of course, directly or indirectly these earnings are received are a benefit to UK and they help this country. Please don´t lie anymore.
we have an opn press unlike your country, didnt your president just pass a new press ruling giving the government more control over the press. the facts are quite clear the uk funds the falklands by paying for defence because your military junta invaded them, made plans for the extraction of the population. You simply dont understand the British, we are pretty liberal up to a point... we are at the moment being polite and trying to diffuse the situation. We dont earn a penny from them use the internet look at facts posted on for countrys site its not a secret. So carry on pushing and you will get another bloody nose.
You are wrong I´m not Argentinian. In addition, I´m not agree with a lot of economical and political decisions of government of Argentina. However, there isn´t any doubt that they have the reason in the discussion about Malvinas. I think that the time of imposing the ideas with military force ended, UK must negotiate, all the world are requesting that. Obviously, using the military force can help a country to steal lands but doesn´t confirm that this country has valid arguments in the discussion.
You need to know that the Islands have been stolen by your country.
You need to know that they haven't. You also need to know that what happened 200 years ago does not and will never take precedence over human rights in this day and age.
In addition, of course, UK sooner or later will give back to the Argentinian these Islands
It's never going to happen. It really, really is not going to happen. Ever.
because your country only pays attention to some, “friends” countries, who support your interests.
Actually, i think you'll find that the UK is listening to no one apart from there own citizens.
Just because people keep repeating stuff it doesn't make it fact. Theres a reason Argentina won't take it to the ICJ - Because it would fail horridly and be quite frankly embarrassed in front of the world. Because even if Argentina has a case - Which it doesnt. All the evidence in the world about something that happened 200 years ago does not and never will change the fact that the islanders on the islands have human rights set out in the UN charter.
This is why Argentina is doing the only thing it can, making a big noise and hoping this will change something. It won't.
UK is doing the only thing it can, that is try to mantain the stealing of the Islands using the military force but without valid arguments. Therefore, this country is trying to avoid discussing or negotiating this issue with Argentina, because, UK knows, that its arguments are too weak. All the world including the United Nations, OEA, among others, are requesting to UK since a long time ago to begin as soon as possible the negotiation with Argentina to solve the problem wich was originated as a consequence of this british foreing colony. But all the world know that UK only wants to hear to United Nations when it suits. Therefore, in this case, UK didn´t want to hear because it is easier than recognizing the Argentinian rights. UK always uses its military power to impose its interests avoiding negotiating the conflicts. I´m not surprised by this behavior, take in mind that nobody have forgotten that UK has a long list of stolen territories around the world, the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that.
@20 johnfarrel,
lf you are not Argentine, then what has to do with you? Nothing.
So please shut up & go away.
What a load of lies you sprout, all the world, indeed!
Just because you & your Argentine friends want OUR land, what makes you think that we will just give them to you?-in your dreams, comrade.
Argentina has NEVER owned this land & NEVER will. QED.
You try to shut up the people who tell the truth, because british don´t want to recognize that their arguments are wrong. But don´t worry, it´s impossible to shut up a lot of people around the world and the truth sooner or later will prevail. The Islands are Argentinian NOW and EVER because this fact can´t change as a consequence of the theft performed by UK.
john: If Argentina really had a claim and could prove it, They would take this to the ICJ. It's that simple.
They don't have a case. Anyone who's seriously looked into the history of the islands can see that Argentina spent a grand total of five years on the islands, The current islanders have lived there longer than any people in recorded history.
Even there Governor is on record stating he wished to be British.
The case in a court of law would fall to bits. Self Determination will always win, This is why Argentina is just making noise. It wont make a difference, If they thought for a second that they had a chance in the ICJ of getting the islands, they would have taken this case to court.
And just for your information. UN has never asked us to discuss sovereignty, you will not find a single UN document that states that. The UN statements clearly say we must negotiate in the islandsers intrests.
And we have. We've discussed fisherys, oil, air flgithts and a whole range of other issues with Argentina. We only refuse to discuss sovereignty. And the UN has not asked us(nor is it binding) to.
As for OEA, We don't care.
You keep going on about the Truth. Perhaps you should give the rabid nationalism a break and actually look up the subject? I think you'll find your truth and the actual truth to be oceans apart.
@23 zethe,
Thank you for putting it all rationaly,
l was probably a bit rude to johnfarrel, but he is obviously an idiot.
He posts the same drivel all the time & as you said just has never bothered to seek the truth, just swallows the malvinista lies.
Either it never occurs to these idiots or they choose to ignore the fact, that if they had a valid case, their government would take it to the ICJ.
I agree, he is an idiot. I'm pretty sure most of them are the same person. They all do exactly the same thing - Repeat what they say over and over on different threads.
Interesting ommission by Mercopress: it quotes all UK newspapers but The Times. last Saturday it claimed a civilised solution must be found tomthis conflict. The author, Simon Winchester established what the solution should be in exactly the same terms as Argentina and the UN: negotiation, dialogue, respect for islanders' interests and way of life and recognition of Argentine sovereignty. It may hurt but it is very sensible as it come to terms with reality, international law and justice. He may write for The Guardian too, so what? This last piece was published in Conservative The Times. It's no use crying over spilt milk.
@26Alejomartinez,
Another cut & paste expert.
As l said before, Simon Winchester doesn't live here so his views are completely irrelavent.
Stop crying, malvinistas, you're making me laugh.
@ 27 Isolde - can you please summaries the Argentine view with respect to the argument that the Islanders wishes must be taken into account? Nobody from that side ever seems to address this issue which I'd have thought was core.
@ 22 johnfarrel2050 - what is your view or the common South American view of what is to be done if the residents don't want to see a transfer in sovereignty?
I promise I am neither Brit nor any type of American, north or south but in all the Argentinian press, the people of the island seem irrelevant or ignored.
@Austral,
We are an inconvenience for Argentina.
We do not recognise their ridiculous claims one little piece.
They have no rights in the Falklands but believe that the land is theirs.
lt has NEVER been theirs but they have convinced themselves that it is & ignore or deride any evidence to the contary.
They say that we supplanted a thriving Argentine colony that was expelled in 1833. Which of course is not true. And they know that its not true.
Britain found & claimed these lslands long, long before Argentina was even a country. Merely a collection of squabbling micro-states clustered around Buenos Aires.
The mistake that the British made was to be too slow to reclaim these lslands in 1833. We first established a post in 1766 but withdrew(to fight the American revolution) in 1776, WITHOUT abandoning our rights.
Anyway when Britain returned in 1833 they found trespassers here, namely the United Provinces(forerunner of Argentina)garrison & ejected them. And rightly so, too.
The UP civilians were encouraged to stay & most of them did.
Their blood, much diluted by later British emigration runs in the veins of the present day Falklanders.
The Argentines want these lslands because of the resources & to salve their hurt pride from 1982, when they were defeated again.
Therefore they say that we are implanted & as such, if they take over the lslands & we don't want to be Argentines, we must leave.
Well we don't & won't become Argentines & we're not leaving.
l, myself am a recent immigrant, but there are Falklanders here who have been in these lslands for 9 generations.
When you consider the relatively recent immigration into Argentina, how do you recognise the cheek & illogicality of Argentines removed 2 or 3 generations from Spain or ltaly, telling 9th generation Falklanders that they have no rights to their homes!♥
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Disclaimer & comment rulesUK must stop stealing the South American Resources now. First, the british stole the land using the military force, after that, they continued stealing the resources (oil and gas, fish, among others). Perhaps, as a consequence, in a short term, UK can obtain some additional earnings, however you need to take into account that all South America will never forget these thefts, therefore in a long-term view it´s clear that it will be worse for this country.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina must return Eastern Tierra del Fuego to the Falklands... Chile and the Falklands will forget these thefts(sic)
Jan 14th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0johnfarrel2050
Jan 14th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0one more cut and past argie.
bit of a typo in my last... 'Chile and the Falklands will never forget this theft'....
Jan 14th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is it about RGs and thieving ??
While they are in the returning mood(ha ha!)they can return the land that they thefted from Paraguay.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0More GOOD news for the Oil & Gas industry in the Falklands, Keep up the good work!!
Jan 14th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Going from strength to strength..Well done
Jan 14th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas Islands are Argentinian. All the world knows the long history of the stealing of different lands performed by UK. The Malvinas Islands are only a little example of it. UK must to know that the pirate time is over. I´m not surprised that the british people support the position of UK, because, they have a partial view of this matter. However you need to know that, a lot of people around the world in different countries know the truth since a long time ago.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas Islands are Argentinian
Jan 14th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, They are not.
Yes the Malvinas Islands are Argentinian. With the military force, UK could steal the Islands, however in this way, this country with a pirate culture, won´t be able to change this truth.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 010, Johnfarrel2050, you are certainly one boring individual. If the islands are Argentine when do you figure they'll have them? Give me a date because I want to make sure I'm around on the day they pick up the key.
Jan 14th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When do you think? 30th of January 2012? 20th of February 2012? LOL! Or maybe the 1st of April 2012. Or do you think it will take longer? Maybe before the end of 2012? Or would you you like a little longer?
Would it be better if we select a year? Let's play hot or cold! Tell me when I'm getting warmer.
Okay?
You ready?
When I get nearer to the year you start saying warmer, then warmer still, then hot, hotter' etc. you got it?
Okay, here we go.
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020
2030
2040
2050
2060
2070
2080
2090
2100
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Congratulations Bruce you are very funny, but you have to know that I am not a fortune teller to guess the future. However, you need to know too that it is not necessary to be a fortune teller to understand the truth. Therefore, NOW a lot of people in the the world know that UK has the Islands because this country has stolen them, using military force, but without any valid argument. This is the truth NOW AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. Don´t need to wait for that.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Johnny,
Jan 15th, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 01) You are very wrong. We have a perfect right to these lslands & THAT is the truth whether you like it or not.
2) And we are NOT going to give them to you & THAT is the truth also.
3) And we do not care thata lot of people in the world, bla bla bla etc & that is the truth also.
So what are you going to do about it except talk? de nada, nuzzing, ziltch. zero. diddly squat.
Maybe your new friends, the Bolivians, will do your fighting for you.?
Isolde,
Jan 15th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, you are very wrong. However, I´m not surprised of your opinion, you have the british partial view of this issue. You need to know that the Islands have been stolen by your country. In addition, of course, UK sooner or later will give back to the Argentinian these Islands (I´m not Argentinian). You need to take in mind that it´s not necessary to be Argentinian to know that they have the reason in this discussion. Of course, Britain, probably does not pay attention to the opinion of the lot of people in the world who tell the truth and the people who request to this country to negotiate with Argentina because your country only pays attention to some, friends countries, who support your interests. But you need to know that a lot of people are telling your country the truth that UK doesn´t want to hear because the british prefer to continue obtaining earnings stolen of different kind of resources (fish, oil and gas, among others). These present earnings, obtained by UK are very small if you compare them with the worse political and economical problems that this country will suffer in the future, as a consequence of stealing all these resources.
Apart from the fact the UK doesn't get one dime from the FI. Proceeds of all fisheries etc. is collected by the government of the Falkland Islands.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Islands did not obtain any earning to live, UK would have sent an economical help to the islanders. Therefore, if the Islands obtain earnings, it can solve a problem to UK. Of course, directly or indirectly these earnings are received are a benefit to UK and they help this country. Please don´t lie anymore.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have an opn press unlike your country, didnt your president just pass a new press ruling giving the government more control over the press. the facts are quite clear the uk funds the falklands by paying for defence because your military junta invaded them, made plans for the extraction of the population. You simply dont understand the British, we are pretty liberal up to a point... we are at the moment being polite and trying to diffuse the situation. We dont earn a penny from them use the internet look at facts posted on for countrys site its not a secret. So carry on pushing and you will get another bloody nose.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong I´m not Argentinian. In addition, I´m not agree with a lot of economical and political decisions of government of Argentina. However, there isn´t any doubt that they have the reason in the discussion about Malvinas. I think that the time of imposing the ideas with military force ended, UK must negotiate, all the world are requesting that. Obviously, using the military force can help a country to steal lands but doesn´t confirm that this country has valid arguments in the discussion.
Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to know that the Islands have been stolen by your country.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You need to know that they haven't. You also need to know that what happened 200 years ago does not and will never take precedence over human rights in this day and age.
In addition, of course, UK sooner or later will give back to the Argentinian these Islands
It's never going to happen. It really, really is not going to happen. Ever.
because your country only pays attention to some, “friends” countries, who support your interests.
Actually, i think you'll find that the UK is listening to no one apart from there own citizens.
Just because people keep repeating stuff it doesn't make it fact. Theres a reason Argentina won't take it to the ICJ - Because it would fail horridly and be quite frankly embarrassed in front of the world. Because even if Argentina has a case - Which it doesnt. All the evidence in the world about something that happened 200 years ago does not and never will change the fact that the islanders on the islands have human rights set out in the UN charter.
This is why Argentina is doing the only thing it can, making a big noise and hoping this will change something. It won't.
UK is doing the only thing it can, that is try to mantain the stealing of the Islands using the military force but without valid arguments. Therefore, this country is trying to avoid discussing or negotiating this issue with Argentina, because, UK knows, that its arguments are too weak. All the world including the United Nations, OEA, among others, are requesting to UK since a long time ago to begin as soon as possible the negotiation with Argentina to solve the problem wich was originated as a consequence of this british foreing colony. But all the world know that UK only wants to hear to United Nations when it suits. Therefore, in this case, UK didn´t want to hear because it is easier than recognizing the Argentinian rights. UK always uses its military power to impose its interests avoiding negotiating the conflicts. I´m not surprised by this behavior, take in mind that nobody have forgotten that UK has a long list of stolen territories around the world, the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 johnfarrel,
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf you are not Argentine, then what has to do with you? Nothing.
So please shut up & go away.
What a load of lies you sprout, all the world, indeed!
Just because you & your Argentine friends want OUR land, what makes you think that we will just give them to you?-in your dreams, comrade.
Argentina has NEVER owned this land & NEVER will. QED.
You try to shut up the people who tell the truth, because british don´t want to recognize that their arguments are wrong. But don´t worry, it´s impossible to shut up a lot of people around the world and the truth sooner or later will prevail. The Islands are Argentinian NOW and EVER because this fact can´t change as a consequence of the theft performed by UK.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0john: If Argentina really had a claim and could prove it, They would take this to the ICJ. It's that simple.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They don't have a case. Anyone who's seriously looked into the history of the islands can see that Argentina spent a grand total of five years on the islands, The current islanders have lived there longer than any people in recorded history.
Even there Governor is on record stating he wished to be British.
The case in a court of law would fall to bits. Self Determination will always win, This is why Argentina is just making noise. It wont make a difference, If they thought for a second that they had a chance in the ICJ of getting the islands, they would have taken this case to court.
And just for your information. UN has never asked us to discuss sovereignty, you will not find a single UN document that states that. The UN statements clearly say we must negotiate in the islandsers intrests.
And we have. We've discussed fisherys, oil, air flgithts and a whole range of other issues with Argentina. We only refuse to discuss sovereignty. And the UN has not asked us(nor is it binding) to.
As for OEA, We don't care.
You keep going on about the Truth. Perhaps you should give the rabid nationalism a break and actually look up the subject? I think you'll find your truth and the actual truth to be oceans apart.
@23 zethe,
Jan 17th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for putting it all rationaly,
l was probably a bit rude to johnfarrel, but he is obviously an idiot.
He posts the same drivel all the time & as you said just has never bothered to seek the truth, just swallows the malvinista lies.
Either it never occurs to these idiots or they choose to ignore the fact, that if they had a valid case, their government would take it to the ICJ.
I agree, he is an idiot. I'm pretty sure most of them are the same person. They all do exactly the same thing - Repeat what they say over and over on different threads.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting ommission by Mercopress: it quotes all UK newspapers but The Times. last Saturday it claimed a civilised solution must be found tomthis conflict. The author, Simon Winchester established what the solution should be in exactly the same terms as Argentina and the UN: negotiation, dialogue, respect for islanders' interests and way of life and recognition of Argentine sovereignty. It may hurt but it is very sensible as it come to terms with reality, international law and justice. He may write for The Guardian too, so what? This last piece was published in Conservative The Times. It's no use crying over spilt milk.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@26Alejomartinez,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another cut & paste expert.
As l said before, Simon Winchester doesn't live here so his views are completely irrelavent.
Stop crying, malvinistas, you're making me laugh.
@ 27 Isolde - can you please summaries the Argentine view with respect to the argument that the Islanders wishes must be taken into account? Nobody from that side ever seems to address this issue which I'd have thought was core.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 22 johnfarrel2050 - what is your view or the common South American view of what is to be done if the residents don't want to see a transfer in sovereignty?
I promise I am neither Brit nor any type of American, north or south but in all the Argentinian press, the people of the island seem irrelevant or ignored.
@Austral,
Jan 19th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are an inconvenience for Argentina.
We do not recognise their ridiculous claims one little piece.
They have no rights in the Falklands but believe that the land is theirs.
lt has NEVER been theirs but they have convinced themselves that it is & ignore or deride any evidence to the contary.
They say that we supplanted a thriving Argentine colony that was expelled in 1833. Which of course is not true. And they know that its not true.
Britain found & claimed these lslands long, long before Argentina was even a country. Merely a collection of squabbling micro-states clustered around Buenos Aires.
The mistake that the British made was to be too slow to reclaim these lslands in 1833. We first established a post in 1766 but withdrew(to fight the American revolution) in 1776, WITHOUT abandoning our rights.
Anyway when Britain returned in 1833 they found trespassers here, namely the United Provinces(forerunner of Argentina)garrison & ejected them. And rightly so, too.
The UP civilians were encouraged to stay & most of them did.
Their blood, much diluted by later British emigration runs in the veins of the present day Falklanders.
The Argentines want these lslands because of the resources & to salve their hurt pride from 1982, when they were defeated again.
Therefore they say that we are implanted & as such, if they take over the lslands & we don't want to be Argentines, we must leave.
Well we don't & won't become Argentines & we're not leaving.
l, myself am a recent immigrant, but there are Falklanders here who have been in these lslands for 9 generations.
When you consider the relatively recent immigration into Argentina, how do you recognise the cheek & illogicality of Argentines removed 2 or 3 generations from Spain or ltaly, telling 9th generation Falklanders that they have no rights to their homes!♥
@29 Isolde - thank you for that.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 - johnfarrel2050 ? What do you say to the islands' residents?
It seems such an inopportune time for Argentina to be getting excited about this just before a major anniversary of their attack.
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