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Latin America focused on trade and development, not the Falklands, says Hague
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said that it is important to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Falkland Islands conflict, but aside from some sabre rattling from Argentina, the rest of Latin America is interested in trade and development. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd that is the reality. Trade ( = wealth) trumps placating excitable neighbours who will change the rules on trade/imports at a moments whim wthout thought to the consequences.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The time when Argentina's government grows up and starts looking at long-term planning, rather than short-term policies, the country might have a change of gaining some of its former wealth.
“”Brazil is very focused, for instance, on improving educational links with the UK”, said Hague.”
Jan 16th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0This may be so, as a trade statement, but there are many much higher hurdles to getting higher education in the UK compared to many other countries.
Two postgrad Brasilian Brits known to me - both totally acceptible (and accepted) to the greatest universities in the UK, fell foul of dual nationality last year. Brasil won't fund them for a PhD because of the chance that they might choose to not return to Brasil, the UK won't fund them as overseas students - which they are - because of the extreme inflexibility of the EU/UK rules on nationality and the 'threat of terrorism' (both of with which I am very familiar with from my work in UK University Admissions).
These are guys who have been called - in my hearing - by internationally eminent mathematicians ..... 'the future of mathematics in Brasil'.
They will undoubtably be lost to both countries and will gravitate to the US, Singapore, China or some such centre of stoicastic mathematics.
The British Foreign Secretary, William Hague, would be well advised to invest in specific talents rather than just look at it as a financial exercise in book-balancing.
The British Foreign Secretary, William Hague, would be well advised to invest in specific talents rather than just look at it as a financial exercise in book-balancing
Jan 16th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the info,Geoff.Much appreciated about the Higher Ed issues..
Geoff - If you did work for university admissions then you would know that HEFCE funding does not depend on nationality but the time the individual has been ordinarily resident in the UK.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would also know that the UK does not provide funding for PhD for home or overseas students, funding would come from a research council (or from a private business or overseas organisation) and it is up to the university which houses the trainee researcher to determine acceptability (and nationality plays no role in this as an international student with funding would qualify for a Tier 4 student visa).
The only substantive funding for postgraduate students in the UK is for PGCE programmes and even these are being cut for the GTA route.
Think you need to go back to your books on bullshitting?
Somehow I don't think the two Brasileiro maths stars will be applying to any Argentine universities...
Jan 16th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does it really matter,
Jan 16th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As William Hague has stated, South America is more interested in trade, rather than conflict
And only Argentina seems obsessed,
Who do you then believe, him or CFK,
Argentina must learn , what we all know,
Talking about it, and backing it up, is two very different things,
And she has no back up, for anything other than taking,
So that the end of it,
And Argentina loses yet again, and is being left behind, whilst others move on .
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The argentines need to focus on building trade and not colonial conquest of the Falklands!
Jan 16th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087289/Falklands-war-pilot-comes-face-face-man-thought-killed.html
Jan 16th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To lighten the mood over the whole sovereignty issue......
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/visor/fotos/20120115/notas/2.jpg
Jan 16th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE TIMES
More articles on the British press supporting Argentina.
The UKs position is unsustainable...
More articles on the British press supporting Argentina.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UKs position is unsustainable
Simon the Yank says, what did you lot do to him for the 3 months he was locked up in that Argie cell? :-)))))))
@ 9 Now can you see that British people are not the monsters and criminals you and the other Malvinists are always talking about? You sure are an old man, you should learn something from this before you leave this world.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 I´m young and hopefuly not leaving this world soon.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said the Brits are monsters and criminals. Some were pirats. Malvinas occupation is a consequence of piracy. :)
Time to put an end to this colonial situation.
@ 12 You got smacked in the face by reality :)
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Don't worry. You'll never be old. You see, before you get to “old age” you are going to get to “dead”. Melted ashes. See whether you can get this clear, numbnuts. You threaten British citizens. You attempt to blockade British citizens. You attempt to coerce British citizens.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there some valid reason why you sh*tbags shouldn't die? Or be turned into ash? Or melted?
W. Hague, nice guy
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has self-complacency, to calm the islanders. it is manipulation of information.
“...yes, everithing is all right... bla bla bla”
-while on the horizon comes the storm-
Hi, beef #4
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you misunderstand this Catch 22.
The rules for Home/EU and Overseas are illogically exclusive for dual-nationals, and this influences the availability of university-specific / subject§or-specific Awards. This is 'falling between two stools'.
In these instances (#2), the UK great universities took the safe, unimaginative approach where the Admissions Offices (administrative) vetoed the faculties desire to employ.
The great US universities and Foundations have much more flexibility and desire to actually get the best.
They have also massively more funds available to attract the best postgraduates.
Mr Hague might usefully address the blockages that stop the UK getting the world's best - not least, sensible tax-breaks for private and corporate donors to UK university/foundation Awards.
It might take 50-100 years for the funds to build; and perhaps, like the Americans, we should have started 50-100 years ago.
William Hague still hurting after been slapped in the face by South America last week.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geoff - no you are wrong. Nationality is an irrelevance in terms of funding for HE in the UK. Dual nationals have the same rights and have to abide by the same rules as an other UK/EU/Overseas citizen. A student is classified as eligible for Home fees if they are ordinarily resident in the UK for a three year period (as long as they do not a visa that expires on a certain date - these people are classified as having “no recourse to public funds”). EU residents pay fees at the home rate but have no access to maintenance bursaries or loans (fees only students).
Jan 16th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This stops UK citizens who have been living outside the UK (I.e not paying tax in the UK) coming back simply for subsidised university education.
This wouldn't be an issue for PhD funding as the funding follows the student and underpins the application for a Tier 4 Visa. Also admissions departments in universities tend not have an involvement in PhD students, these things are managed by grad schools.
To those two magnificent stereotypes of British Academia.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hate to say this but…………..
In his prime, insufferable Mr. GeoffWard is quite right in what he says at comments No. (2) and (16).
Youngish, overzealous Mr. Beef focuses on technicalities that totally blur the bigger picture.
And, as usual, he includes a little insult to his interlocutor.
It seems to me that there is a lot of dialogue on what Argentina wants, even on what the UK or Hague are after but very little on asking the Falkland Islanders themselves what they want. Surely they are the starting and end point for all discussions on what happens with respect to their lives, their view of their own sovereignty? As a recent viewer of these pages, this seems to be almost forgotten.
Jan 16th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am neither a Brit, South or North American but it does seem that Argentina in particular seems to gloss over this vital point to their own diminishment.
@17 just wondering how Hague is hurting. Can't the ships still sail under the British Red Ensign?
2o Austral It is a delicade point, because the actual islanders are british inmigrants or sons, they have economic conections with England and there is a coercion over they from the government, if you are islander you can not talk bad about the falklands government because there are laws that prohibit it, or you could lose your job or be censored, on the other hand the original argentine population was removed in 1833 and now they cant go to live there.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore the composition of the population of the islands is strongly controlled by the British government.
BJK. You are talking utter rubbish.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“original argentine population was removed in 1833 and now they cant go to live there.”
Given that they are all dead, it would be rather difficult. But no, All evidence shows that the majority of the population on the islands in 1833 stayed on the islands. Many of the islanders can trace there family's back that far.
“England and there is a coercion over they from the government”
The islanders have the right to choose there own future from our government. This is our law. Many other territorys wished to go independant, and are now independant. The few who wished to stay, have done so.
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Jan 17th, 2012 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 021 BJK (#)------ Can you prove what you have just said about if you are islander you cannot talk bad about the Falkland’s government because there are laws that prohibit it?????? If you can please share that evidence with all of us. Or is it like anything else you say that comes out of your arse full of shite. This is the second time I have read this from you, so come on give us the evidence and do it quickly as well after all if it is true it should not be hard for you should it.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0A very significant silence from Mercopress is much more than telling. It claims to cover the whole ofnthenSouth Atlantic and even reports irrelevant news fromthe islands it insists not to call as all ofnthenregion does: Malvinas. However, it purposedly omitsnto mention the article by Simon Winchester recently published in The Times of the UK. Interesting ommission as the article calls the UK to put and end to this colonial situation, sit down and negotiate a “civilised solution” recognising Argentine sovereignty and the need to take into account and guarantee the islanders' interests and way of life. That is to say UN and hence Argentina's position. This article accompanied an opinion column by Argentine FM on this issue. Mercopress is regrettably too biased to speak mthe truth!
Jan 17th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm, but it seems to me that the majority of Argentinian, New Zealand, Canadian etc etc people inhabit lands that were once belonging to the indigenous people's. Colonialism working its magic and eventually becoming the status quo. Independence follows. In these terms, is the claim to the islands then a bit thin? The continental shelf argument seems poor (Britain could belong to France) and the does not seems to have been a permanent Argentinian settlement so again, isn't it up to the current inhabitants of the islands to decide their fate? They're just colonists later in time that's the Spaniards of the mainland.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also,I am not wedded to any naming protocols but on a recent visit to Argentina, the Buenos Aires Herald called Port Stanley “Puerto Argentino”. Was it ever called that?
(#) 18 Amigo
Jan 17th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I want to make PhD on about -- The careless behaviours and it's reasons
under the soaring borrowing conditions -- in UK.
Would you propose me an university from UK ?
Latin america focused on trade and development, not F...lands, says Hague
Jan 17th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and?? is this bold man a member of Mercosur to say Mercosur what to do??
what arrogance.... if Mercosur wants to declare Messi and Neymar the best football players of the planet its problem of Mercosur. ...why not?
UK playing again the divide and conquer......
ed@27 - You don't choose a university per se. You would look to align yourself with a specific supervisor and then by default you would enrol at a university. Some HEIs will have studentships available and these need to generally focus on a specified topic which may not be specifically your RQ.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would of course have to fit the specific criteria required by that HEI and would have to submit a proposal, which would include a draft methodology and a list of RQs that are appropriately addressed by your theoretical standpoints and methodology.
Is your topic adding anything new as PhD needs to be unique research?
Where is your funding coming from?
Have you conducted your lit review?
(#) 29 Amigo
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My funding comes from a Swiss account.
I generally drink one cup beer daily ,below British standarts.
Belive me, I have more quality than Qaddafi's son.
28 malen still does not compute .
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not just come under British control,
You may even grow a bit,.
28 Malen, why does the bold William Hague have to be a member to try to gauge their feeling on the issue? Read what he says. He's not trying to tell them what to do; that's your take on it.
Jan 17th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure about bold either. I know William Hague IS aBritish politician but bold?Are you sure you didn't mean bald?
Why not just come under British control,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may even grow a bit,.
I prefer to be independent,and not under the skirt of an english queen...Sorry to disapoint you.But I am a lot happier in Argentina than uk....
Argentina kicked out the british invaders,3 times....So that will tell you We like it WITHOUT you or your friends....
Interesting ommission by Mercopress: it quotes all UK newspapers but The Times. last Saturday it claimed a “civilised solution” must be found tomthis conflict. The author, Simon Winchester established what the solution should be in exactly the same terms as Argentina and the UN: negotiation, dialogue, respect for islanders' interests and way of life and recognition of Argentine sovereignty. It may hurt but it is very sensible as it come to terms with reality, international law and justice. He may write for The Guardian too, so what? This last piece was published in Conservative The Times. It's no use crying over spilt milk!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't Panama the original 'banana Republic' ??
Jan 18th, 2012 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/timerman-seeks-support-in-panama/
:-)
English Queen or the Presdential Drag Queen. Neither seems very appealing...
Jan 18th, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 036 Austral, you mean the British Clown? HMG the British Clown, yep, you've got it right.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 I dont see any minister of SA saying you what to with the euro or your internal problems.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha @37 but nevertheless the Argentinians chose their circus act! She is quite incredible. I mean to say, why is so much time wasted on the Malivinas/Falklands issue and not on the seemingly mad economic damage that is being wrought to Argentina through shallow protectionism? Back to the topic, why are all Argentinians not outraged by CFK's barefaced attack on free trade and neighbouring Brazil? I really can't see the sense in bringing in restrictions on trade in a free trade zone... Why would a small economy pick on Brazil with 5 times the people and GDP?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 Britishbulldog of course i can prove this watch that. And this is not the only case.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1SYV0AkxfM&feature=player_embedded#
@22 Do you are saying that many of your ancestors are Argentines? because before 1833 the only population here were argentines
we see the little children insulting the innocent again,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0alas thats all some of these childish argies can do, throw insults,
tut tut .
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