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Cameron accuses Argentina of ‘colonialism’ and reiterates protection of Falklands
British Prime Minister David Cameron has accused Argentina of “colonialism” over the country's claim to the Falkland Islands. Speaking at Prime Minister's Questions in the Commons, Cameron vowed to protect the Islands' population and allow them to decide their own future. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI think David Cameron has made his position quite clear.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Mr Cameron looks uneasy.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone has a Nervocalm for him, please?
From 16 colonies that still exist in the world 10 are from UK...and one of those are Malvinas.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN and C-24 is trying hard to finish colonialism, ..........but Cameron accuse Argentina of colonialism ??? thast hilarius....thanks David for this !!! The support for Argentina´s cause is growing faster than ever.....Thanks !!
who is using force to occupy illegally a territory in dispute for more than a 179 years?? and guess whose force is that? thats the british colony
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no more to say
and it seems to me uk has a history that backs colonialism up today, for ex in Libya, gibraltar and 14 more territories.
@3 no, thank you :-))))))
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16613508
Well said Prime Minister Cameron.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands are British for as long as Falkland Islanders want to remain British. End of story.
@5
Jan 18th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Cameron, what´s in question is the sovereingty over the islands, not the nationality of the imported population. If “these” people want to remain British, let´s them be British. Who cares? The islanders are british and the islands argentine. They can happyly live in Argentina like many other British do. And everyone is happy. Issue resolved.
Cameron, u are so funny, it shows the stupid argument of UK for Falklands all around the world. Thank u Cameron, to be so stupid!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or the argies can fuck off, who won the war anyway' jees you argies are the stupid ones,do you really think after fighting a war and winning,we would hand the falklanders over to you,do you really?
Mr Cameron is getting nervous, great job Cristina!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is sinking, not even the countries stuck to you by nature want to be part of this colonial country call England anymore.
Mr Cameron acusses Argentina of what? ...excuse me for a second...HAHAHAHA
The fact is the Islands are British, will be British as long as the Islander wish, and nothing Argentina says or does will change that.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says who? Elaine? HAHAHA
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says reality.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have my differences but this time Cristina was right......this guys is........just another englishman, no surprise here. Thanks Again David
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8582386/David-Cameron-bordering-on-stupidity-over-Falkland-Islands-says-Argentina-president-Cristina-Kirchner.html
Appart from the fact that the UK has no colonies. The BOTs are self governing and choose their constitutional arrangment for themselves. They are not therefore colonies.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - The Falkland Islanders say the islands will remain British. Your gvt have ruled out a legal or military challenge so no evidence of things changing.
Beef - very happy with the profits made on RKH this week :-) Mr Big oil is coming to the Falklands!
Let's not forget the Scottish request for independence that he's trying to block.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can smell the hypocrisy as the rest of the world can.
Reality Elaine?
Are the Chagossians back in their homeland?
Ask that clown Cameron for me please.
CFK may as well run around B's A's with a loud speaker because no one else is really listening and the South American amigo's are just giving a gentle nod but will do absolutely NOTHING to help . In the meantime the poor Argentine's are not focused on their real problems which are about to bite it in the RRR's.Evita did a similar trick on the unfortunate nation.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#15 Beef......take a look of the official list of UN of non governing territories. Please don´t fool yourselves..Malvians is a colony in the eyes of the civilized word.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNITED NATIONS DESCOLONIZATION OFFICIAL LIST
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
Wow... an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister accuses another country of “colonialism”?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that he knows that England invaded 1/3 of the panet.
Does he?
Viscount Malvinas:CFK may as well run around B's A's with a loud speaker because no one else is really listening and the South American amigo's are just giving a gentle nod but will do absolutely NOTHING to help . In the meantime the poor Argentine's are not focused on their real problems which ”
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHAHAH,how hillarious is that bankrupt country,uk..
Just take care of the 3 million desperate unemployed in the uk..
Unemployment's vicious circle: the coalition isn't workingUnemployment is at a 17-year high and set to get worse as high street carnage feeds into the figures, contributing to a cycle that shows no signs of being broken
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/economics-blog/2012/jan/18/unemployment-vicious-circle-coalition-isnt-working?intcmp=239
How pathetic are the brits in this forum....Just take care of your home.....caring for some subantartic,little island and 2000 people...
What is funny is these Argie bloggers actually thing they have the upper hand (when in reality they are not even in the game).
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are no closer to getting their hands on the Falklands. This ban is not actually working and Falkland Island registered vessels are still entering Mercosur ports and their verbals are not distracting the big oil companies from preparing a farm-in offer for RKH.
They also think that they are in economic paradise. I suppose rampant inflation, a block on taking your own money out of the coutry and import tariffs in a free trade zone are easy to ignore.
I don't know whether to laugh at them or feel sorry for them.
2012, the year that marks the countdown to oil production in the Falkland Islands and the Argie bloggers know it (but cannot bring themselves to face up to it).
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Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman “obviously at a time when there are only remnants of colonialism, Britain in imperial decline decides to rewrite history.”
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0fabulists pirates, thieves
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron has ambitions of being a comedian it appears.The fact that the sassenachs would accuse a South American country of colonialism beggars beleif.Either hes on cocaine or hes really getting worried about things.And thsi when Hague is in Brasil.Can you imagine the laughs in Brasilia
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#23 Marscos,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman “obviously at a time when there are only remnants of colonialism, Britain in imperial decline decides to rewrite history.”
I know a clown in Thailand that love to do that.....another one in Peru....another one Salt and Pepper...thanks God the list is very short and they´re finished.
:)
Pirates! if you want to be British return to the UK! scoundrel!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Mucus
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's better to be an Old Etonian Tory than an Argentinian git.
You will never get your grubby little hands on the Falkland Islands.
Power to the people!
shameless thieves pirates !!!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 Che you aint Crackpot.You should remember he was Argentine
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No more war, we are using The Ghandi message (against UK), thanks the provocation strategy, we have more support, UHU! in 10 years no more KELPERS! HAHAHAHAHA!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie bloggers, breathe it in and weep. You have no options that you are prepared to test or are capable of implementing and you all know it.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you all visit the islands before Queen Botox forces the LAN flight to cease? After that it will be pretty hard for you to get access.
You bunch of clowns!
kelpers, second-hand British, stop stealing! get out of america!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 so_far Yes, even Lorton the Archer knows it :-)
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0looks like CFK has been told...
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 if you must insult a countrys leader please check closely on Elizabeth Windsors being an inbred with serious pschological problems not to mention needing artificial insimination to breed
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 O gara: “You should remember he was Argentine”
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and born in Rosario where all my relatives live.
Argentina could do with someone like him now to emancipate the poor and bring down a corrupt government.
However, on this occasion I was actually referring to Citizen Smith (a quintessentially British revolutionary) and not Che Guevara.
33, Cero, okay, whatever you say. We'll be gone by the weekend. Careful with the key to the door at number 11; you have to jiggle it to get it to turn. Oh and the north - south roads get a little slippery on the hill in winter so make sure you take care. Um! That's about it I think. Enjoy.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and don't call us we'll call you. It's all arranged though so don't worry.
@37n ...LOL
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Good link that shows once again the UK lies.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
Falkland Islands is a Non-Self-Governing Territory according to the UN.
37 Che certainly would have had some fun with Davidito if he was alive today.Che would broadly support the Kirchner governments strong income distribution and state intervention in the market Crackpot.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Citiizen Smith indeed was a quintesstial English revolutionary.A sit com comedy which is what revolution has always been in England
someones been googling :)))
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#40 There is a single doubt that Britain LIE all the time in her very complete history ?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.britishreparations.org/commercial.php
Yes Kipling indeed, you are using the Ghandhi tactics, what are you going to do, hold a mass strike in Argentina :)
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a few tantrums in argieland today
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me. Me harties, dem Iberian colonials want me Islands and me Black Gold. They be shouting at me because of me patch and wooden peg arrrghhh.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good job they be too yellow to bother me as me might have to retaliate by calling them names. Arrrghhh, be getting on me ship the Rockhopper with captain Pierre and first mate Sam. We set sail for fame and fortune arrrghhh!
@41 O gara: “Che would broadly support the Kirchner governments strong income distribution .....”
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, it also involves ditribution of income into their own bank accounts. I somehow don't think he would have been too happy with that.
Then there is all the collusion with corrupt unions. Why is it that truck drivers earn more than doctors in Argentina? It's got nothing to do with fair distribution of wealth.
I don't read O gara's posts because they are garbage but thanks to the diddle dee telegraph it has bee brought to my attention that he feels I insulted CFK. After reading my post again, he is quite right and for that I apologise. I should be more careful. I keep forgetting she is a president and not a queen.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 044, YES, u ´re so british (so ignorant), i want to thank u for affirming that u have so ignorant education. One more time, THANK U!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Tooting Popular Front supports the rights of persecuted small island communities everywhere!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live the Falkland Islands! Boo to Argentina!
47 I dont deny Argentina has corruption so has most places CFK hasnt had her castles moat cleaned by the state yet.Truck drivers dont earn more than doctors an illusion.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody who has been in Argentina over the last 10 years can deny the enormous improvements in the country.This is especially true of the urban poor whose lot has improved hugely.
The British are only rediculizing themselves and being internationaly discredited lately regarding Malvinas...
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some one will come up soon with serious statements, I´m sure.
Interesting - Hague is diverted to Brazil to talk about 'trade' when he should have been in Washington to talk about Britain's role in the looming Iran showdown and possible western intervention in Syria and now Cameron calls an emergency summit to discuss the Falklands.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it couldnt possibly have anything to do with Brazil being considered for a place on the Un security council could it?
@51 O gara: “I dont deny Argentina has corruption so has most places CFK hasnt had her castles moat cleaned by the state yet.”
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a big difference between bending the rules regarding expenses (involing small amounts of money, as happened in the UK expenses scandal) and wholesale institutionalised corruption involving millions. The UK has a long way to go before it gets into Argentina's league where corruption is concerned.
I've just returned from living in Valencia Spain, and it is completely rife there too. The central governent has competely distanced themselves from the whole region, as they don't want to be associated with them anymore.
“Truck drivers dont earn more than doctors an illusion”
Well, my relatives in Argentina (many of whom are in the medical profession) would disagree with you.
Islas - and when will Argentina decide to do something rather than just babble on like a madman?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my friends,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1441508-dura-replica-a-la-embestida-del-premier-ingles-es-absolutamente-ofensivo-dijo-randazzo
Cameron, Do you have a Flag?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg
Good assured statement from the PM. The islands will always be British. The Argentines are deluded about their international support. Understandably nobody actually cares. Their neighbours are just playing lip service as William Hague will confirm.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron, Do you have a Flag
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what dashing white argie one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
Argentina = Colonialist ??
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0unbelievable !!
this is just like saying that the penguins live in amazon....!!
poor freshman David ...!!
58 - yes Marcos and it is better than yours. Perhaps that is why the Falkland Islanders choose ours over yours.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care to comment on the sp mvts of RKH this week?
TWIMC
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) A National Security Council meeting devoted entirely to the situation in the South Atlantic……
2) Foreign Secretary William Hague on a ”hastily re-scheduled” visit to Brazil……
3) PM Cameron accusing Argentina of ‘colonialism’and raising an eyebrow….. (see picture above)
Wooooooow…… A Brit raising an eyebrow!!!
Must be very serious then……….
Chuckle chuckle®
@58 HA HA HAH AH AH A HA HA HAAH A HAH AH AH AA H
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was funny! AHAHHAHAHAHAAH
You're barking up the wrong tree there, Britain IS THE country that has proposed Brazil as a Permanent Member of the Security Council, and continues to support Brazil in undertaking that role.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Don't leave without Seaman Stains, and Roger the Cabin Boy. : )
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 Crackpot the English are an extraordinary people completely blind to the apalling ills of their ruling classes.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The incredible levels of corruption at BAE are universally known.Dianas murder,The members of the house of Lords taking newspaper money,the Mobile phones scandals to name but a few that got out.
Certainly there is corruption in Spain too but I would like you to tell me in ayears time whether you prefer living in Valencia or England?
The professional classes moan everywhere when blue collar workers get a decent wage
67, Elaine! I am ashamed of you! LOL. Very funny, ha ha ha! So was Beef's post. There'll be no friggin in the riggin.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, sos un idolo, be careful, the Kelpers don´t understand english, kakakakakaka!!!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg
(68) O'Gara
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do the Anglos (even you, sorry to say) always forget Sir Mark Thatcher when speaking about corruption?
51 O gaga
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the fact that 25% of the population live in slums aka “villas miserias” without proper sanitation and in some cases running water is an improvement?
Source: Madres de Plaza de Mayo Bring Housing Hope to Slums (IPS News)
But I fully expect you will disclaim this also.
71, Think, you clown. LOL! What about Carol? Don't forget her. Ha ha. What on earth has Maggie's son got to do with anything? What is it you call people you don't agree with.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yeah that's it.
YOU TURNIP!
72Christy I would indeed disclaim your figures.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nevertheless the number of people living in Villas in Gran Buenos Aires is a disgrace I agree.Its no excuse but the vast majority of these people would be classes as illegal immigrants in Europe.
Poverty levels however have been falling dramatically and anyone who has been to Argentina will be aware of this.
Che Amigo Think tienes razon Sr Thatcher el mercenario perfecto
@68 O gara: “Diana's murder.....”
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Occasionally, O gara, you come up with some sensible comments. However, you have just blown that away in one foul swoop. Believing in Diana conspiracies is on the same level as believing that men didn't land on the moon or that 9/11 was a government plot.
UK levels of corruption are peanuts compared with South America (with th possible exception of Chile and Uruguay).
By the way. I much prefer living in the UK. Spain (especially Valencia) is a total mess and it's all self inflicted. Delusions of grandeur driven by speculation and corrupt megalomaniac local politicians. Many of my Spanish friends are in the process of relocating to the UK. In Spain, there is 23% unemployment and a banking sector that is about to collapse once they ressess the value of all their worthless real estate portfolios.
75 Crackpot you are wonderfully brainwashed.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have had the pleasure of some time in her majestys domain and indeed the eastern part of España and I would certainly prefer the latter I assure you.It wont be long until you want to travel on clean trains drive on roads without gridlock and enjoy some warm sunshine on your back looking at some nice looking Senoritas.
Many of my Spanish amigos are on route to Buenos Aires the wheels are turning
Why do the RGs (even you oxymoron), always promote their lies?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no legitimate claim, yours is the made up fairy story from the 1930s, even your own National Archives in Buenos Aires prove this, yet you persist with the bullshit as if it were fact.
You're a joke, a poor one at that, you only have to read what the politicians say in Argentina every day, even a child could research your claim as a lie, but you indoctrinate them in your country with your twisted cause as if promoting a big lie is remotely patriotic.
You do yourselves a disservice, you do South America a disservice, and you'll get a good hiding if you try anything stupid, but you have a history of undertaking stupid things.
Because you're so stupid, no-one wants to invest in Argentina, and everyone is desperate to get their money out of Argentina, even in suitcases, you're all liars, thieves, paco using idiots, bent on stealing from your neighbours, or their pockets, and riddled with corruption.
Areas of Buenos Aires have windows and doors with bars on them, either to keep the thieves out or to familiarise the inhabitants of where they might end up spending a considerable amount of time, the place is a shit hole, with roving gangs of thieves.
TFI would seem to be the land of milk and honey for many Argentines, but unfortunately for them it will forever be a dream.
How big are the bars on your doors Think? Do the bars make it a wonderful place to live?
(73) Bruce..............
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tomorrow, when Wikipedia reopens you can, if you wish, find out what Sir Mark Thatcher has to do with corruption.................
(75) Crackpot..........
I don't think it was the British Secret Service that killed Di.........
I think it was the French Underground...........
Cameron, WE ARE SO COLONIALIST, WE LIKE COLONIA - URUGUAY AND COLONIA (KOLN) GERMANY.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 79 kip
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a clever boy ..!!
he forgot to write of Colombia/Colorado/Congo..etc....!!
78, oh Think, not only are you a clown and a turnip but you cannot read. I know precisely what Mark Thatcher has to do with corruption; more than you could ever imagine. What I asked you, you turnip, is what does Maggie's son have to do with anything. Anything meaning this whole discussion about the sovereign ty of the Falklands. Seeing you're waiting for Jimmy's site to reopen I'll give you until tomorrow to let me know what you don't seem to be aware of about Carol. If you think David's connection to corruption is somehow relevant to this discussion (and it's not), you should learn about Carol also and try to use that against us also.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay, have you got that?
Have a good night.
@ 69. Avast me hearties and prepare to be boarded.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I forgot to mention Master Bates.
Good old Captain Pugwash.
** 81 bruce
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can not find them in internet/media if i start to tell about English corruption chains/events which are both in domestic/international...
name by name..date by date..place by place.....
@76 O gara:
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Believing in Diana conspiracy theories is about as brainwashed as you can get.
My preference for the the UK (warts and all) is just that - a personal preference. Anyone else's preferences are their own business.
@78 Think:
Nice one!
@79 Kipling.
Don't give up your day job.
(81) Bruce
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woooooow.....
A youngish City Boy from Puerto Stanley, Islas Malvinas that knows more about what Mark Thatcher has to do with corruption; than I could ever imagine.................
Anything you want to share with us or just bragging lad?
** bruce
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0decide it please ...!
let's start from one of them....??
which one ...which one ...which one ..
could be related in oil industry ??
Oh dear, I see the children are out in force,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boy what a massive slap in the face, for the wanabe colonialism,
Or a the only south American empire, giving the indoctrinated , extra power,
And the argie bloggers are sadly shocked, to find the truth being rammed at them,
But alas give them a day or so, the bloggers mouth piece and co-ordinaters will try to elevate the truth, into anti British lies,
But ive said it once, and never stop repeating it, [sooner or later]
You will have to stop bragging, stop mouthing off , stop the insults ,,
And stop the macho crap, and BACK it up, that’s the problem with indoctrination, it doesn’t tell you how to grow up, stand up , and back it up .
No insults intended boys, but you are pushing once to far,
And every statement has its consequences .
Very soon you may well be told to stop playing cowboys and Indians, put the toys away,
And face up to the very real fact, that conflict is not a game, and people [mostly innocent] will get seriously injured and very possibly end up dead,
And you plain argie citizens will have to carry the guilt for decades to come,
For you will get the blame, as your government , as rich and powerful as they are, will in all sense of the word [leg it] and you guys will suffer the consequences . so please, do not be to keen to back , what you know is wrong, you will have to live with it .
.
** 87 brit
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please ...!!
you watch the view...!!
merely invited to discuss/learn something about English
corruption events...
BUT
none is here...maybe they wait to opened Wikipedia....!!
Hello. They didnt publih my comment
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders will decide there own future!! and that won't include allowing colonial republic argentina prolateriate to dictate that future!!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
@90 And who will back you on this when the UK has no other choice but to negotiate the handover?
Jan 18th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is NOTHING to hand over!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who will actually back argentina against the UK ? No One will!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine colonialism!!!!
Cameron accuses Argentina of ‘colonialism’ and reiterates protection of Falklands
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this guy is so funny!!!
There is NOTHING to hand over!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who will actually back argentina against the UK ? No One will!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine colonialism!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Watch and see...A country who sold the chagossian and HK(like 2 millions)..why they will care of about 2000??
Just look after the 3 million unemployed,underemployed in uk.....
@93
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron is just pointing out that the UK will defend the Falklands on all levels politically and if required by force
Long Live the Falklands.
93
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron is just pointing out that the UK will defend the Falklands on all levels politically and if required by force
Long Live the Falklands
Look at the answer from Brazil mionister Patriota,papamosca...
VIVA LAS MALVINAS!!
uk criminals,out!!
The UK will do whatever is required to make sure the Falklands have the right to choose there own future!!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what if Brazil says they support argentina its all talk and NO real substance!
Long Live the Falklands.
These guys haven’t even got a clue as to what the hells going down,
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But all ready the victories theirs,
Talk about Capt. pug wash .lol.
The Falklands will enjoy a LONG and profitable Future in the coming Centuries and argentina can just keep Whinging!!!
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
@2 CFK looks like a plastic puppet. Sorry. CFK IS a plastic puppet.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Argieland LIKES colonialism. Look how many indigenous natives they killed.
@4 No-one, Mr Sh**ty.
@7 Still living in never never land?
@8 How are you, cake?
@10 Hello. How long have you been a pr*ck?
@12 Says Britain, pr*ck. Want to argue? Next time every argie gets a bayonet up their a*s. Including you. Pr*ckless.
@16 No such thing as Chagossians. Try doing some research, d*ckbrain.
@20 How high can you count? That represents the number of days left in your life. Until Britain gets there. Then you can count your remaining life in hours.
@25 Why not? Kitch already is. What a cow.
@27 & 29 Sh*tface.
@31 Loads more war. Ten years. No more argieland. Just craters.
@33 Cero. Fake americans. Leave the world or die.
@36 Don't you worry. we are going to stamp on CFK's head until she spurts snot all over the wall. Then we are going to do the same to you.
@49 How would you like my boot up your a*se? Later on I'll be stamping on those things you think are balls. Unless you promise to lubricate you're a*se with a bayonet.
@57 Don't be stupid. Since when have you had friends? You have queer partners!
@64 Insane laughter.
@68 Argentines are amazing. Totally oblivious to how sh*t every one of them is. Fortunately, they will not last much longer. Within the next ten years every argsh*t will be immolated. goodbye, f*rters.
@74 Don't worry, your overcrowded slums will soon be a thing of the past. Either they will be ash or lava.
@76 Good. We don't need any sh*tty Spaniards either.
Any other argie bludgers (an australian word) F*** OFF!
88 geo
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor geo,
Poor Argies,
So sad, they never even knew what hit them,
Still,, when the lights went out
There was bound to be an accident .
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you know I truly dislike Cameron, yet seeing him tell argentina in no uncertain terms, using it's own propaganda terms with infinitely more legal and moral right to do so, to suck his hairy genitals, makes me realise that even our shit leader is still several dozen orders of magnitude above the best argentina can come up with.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i wonder how hector “looks like a melting frog” timmerman will react. i will guess the phrases “imperialist aggression” “empire in decline” “anachronistic colonialist” and “PLEASE LOOK AT US!!!! WERE IMPORTANT!!” will be used
100 Old boy I see the pain is horrific again.Its sad to see you like this you should really start to take something stronger its eating you away.Still its nice we can at least be a vehicle to alleviate the worst of your frustrations especially in that dark and horrible land you live in.Do take care
Jan 18th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malviner - shouting UK out is not exactly going to get your wish now is it. If you want to get the UK out and to annex the FI then you should try either a military or legal route (they are your only two choices as we do not want to talk to imperialists).
Jan 18th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like these comments from David Cameron have raised the blood pressure of our Argie brethren. Be careful Argie Brothers you don't have universal healthcare and a burst artery could be very damaging for you.
Beef the rising of the volume merely shows. Camerons weakness.Here we have a prime minister whose economy is heading to another recession only in power because hes in a coalition with a party who have already decided they will shaft him at the first potentially inviting opportunity.Patriotism is the last refuge of ghe scoundrel and Cameron wont be long meeting his destiny.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done DC. The noise coming from Argentina has been somewhat bellicose over the last few months. Now DC has given them some of their own medicine they can't take it. In the words of Corporal Jones “They don't like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring”.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who is [jan cheers]
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she was on our screens a minute ago,,
as for david,
we you cant warn a dying man, and you cant give advice,to a zombie,
but if I were argentine, I would be very worried,
still that bloke nearly fxcked it up, didnt he,
[we are at war, at least war of words anyway]
and when the words vannish,?
@16 No such thing as Chagossians. Try doing some research, d*ckbrain.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 How high can you count? That represents the number of days left in your life. Until Britain gets there. Then you can count your remaining life in hours.
@25 Why not? Kitch already is. What a cow.
@27 & 29 Sh*tface.
@31 Loads more war. Ten yea
AHahahahaah
You are Soooo stupid conquered...
Criminal!1 buzz off
OGara - I dont think Argentina or Ireland are in any position to lecture a by far much bigger or stable economy on economics.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can swap as many of my £ as I wish and we don't need poxy import tariffs.
If the uk is finished then Argentina has yet to even get changed to make its way to the starting line.
Anyway FI remain British and no evidence of that changing. That is one fact that cannot be disputed. Onwards for RKH :-)
Time for the Casa Rosada to put up or shut methinks.....
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is where the schoolyard bully finds that her chums ( chums only by coercion) start to shuffle away as the little kid's dad comes into the playground.....
Where is turkey neck ( show us the scar or it never happened) these days?
The amount of self righteous screaming from Argentina is directly proportional to the amount of hurt caused by the truth.
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that the Argentine govt doesn't like someone using the sort of language that they use back at them.
Argentina state policy consists of crude crises inducement and bullying tactics towards the islanders. Comments like “Go home” show just what the Falklanders fear from this facist mob, a form of ethnic cleansing, dressed up as “resettlement in the UK”.
I still like a comment made by an islander that I saw a few weeks ago “GO HOME? WE ALREADY ARE HOME!”
I only hope that the idiots in Buenas Ares aren't planning something really stupid to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the last time they sacrificed their youth in a futile and stupid colonial gambit. I don't believe in their good will and I don't trust their pledge about renouncing violence.
From what I have seen on these forums the Argentinians think we'll be a pushover, they just don't get how strong our will to resist is. They will never understand us.
We held malta against air bombardment and sea blockade by the Nazis and fascist italy for years in ww2, we can hold out in the South Atlantic against Argentina and it's allied lackeys indefinitely.
Do your worst, we've seen off bigger foes than you.
108 Malvinero1 all those numbers are your own men,???
Jan 18th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0camaron has effectivly thrown down the gauntlett,
now we will see, if you truly are,
MEN or CHILDREN,
no more insults, no more bragging, time to grow up .
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Jan 19th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think Argentina is making a very good job! the fat boy Cameron is quite nervous, stupidity acusses Argentina of colonialism! ha,ha,ha!!!!you are so funny !!!David leaves the alcohol, pills!
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron, what a clown! What a childish accusation. I knew he was gonna start running out of serious fundaments for his speeches about Malvinas, but I didm't imagine it would be SO SOON! Hehe
Jan 19th, 2012 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron utters a couple of sentences and the Argentine press issues praragraphs by the dozen - now THAT's influence :-)
Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0114 Kiwisarg, what is the point of your tag? Are you trying to portrait a New Zealander who saw the light? Reading your posts it is obvious that you are or we're as much of a New Zealander as Osama bin Laden was. You can't even string a couple of sentences of English together. Change your tag to Argiearse or something else that reflects what you are.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Listening to these hysterical Argentines is like stirring up a meat ant's nest with a stick.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bring it on, Argentina.
Here's your big chance.
That is if you punks feel lucky.
Don't like to say, l told you so BUT l told you so.
They are talking themselves into a frenzy,
They will try again.
@114, 116
Jan 19th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwisarg, as I've said before, is not a native English speaker. At best (?) a nargie living in NZ with possible residency or even, sadly, citizenship...
It never ceases to amuse me how many Argie bloggers do not actually live in Argentina (they claim)
Jan 19th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0These people then accuse the Brits of not knowing what is happening becaue 'you are not in Argentina'.
Hypocrites? Pot calling the kettle black? WTFC?
He should call it what it really is: Argentina's fascist irredentism, the same malignancy that contributed to two world wars in Europe. Some people never learn. Support the right of political self-determination for the Islanders!
Jan 19th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 07 Islas Malvinas - how strange that you define us as an imported species while most deffiantly Argentine people were also imported and much worse than that killed the indigenous people of that land. Something we Falkland Islanders never done.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0How much better this world would be if the persistant war mongering people who unfortunatly share our wonderful planet would be if they could all be shipped out to some far distant galaxy. No maybe I should not even contemplate that either because that would mean playing a part in destroying some other civilisation.
The point I am making here is that is it so nescessary to want what someone else has got when one cannot properly use what they already own.
The Falklands are unique in that our importance to the world is that we are the gateway to that yet commercially unexplored continant Antartica which we also know is a place that Argentina one day also wants to lay claim to but is unable to because they as yet do not control the Falklands.
War does not solve problems but causes people even more misary on both sides.
All you Argentine troubloe makers would do very well to have a look at the recent story of an Argentina and a British Sailer finding frienship after one thought he had killed the other. That in the world is reconcilliation.
Meanwhile we are still British and PROUD
Seems that the plan was to send a few Argentine fishermen to raise the Argentine rag on South Georgia or a remote part of the Falklands.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Similar sort of nonsense to the way they started the 1982 War.
david says a few words, and the argies go into melt down,
Jan 19th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they know the games all but finnished,
yet cristina has said nothing,
sooner or later, ta ta .
George Bush,oops sorry I mean Mr Cameron redefines colonialism.It is now a way of talking eg if I say enough times that Israel is part of Palestine,that is a colonial way of talking.This usage is to be added to the new edition of the Oxford Dictionary.Global use to follow at a later stage.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see why the average Argentinian here finds it so funny that they were called colonists. You are, By definition colonists, That is how Argentina today became what it is.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all very well calling the UK colonists. But my acenstors stayed in the UK, as UK citizens. Your Spanish ancestors got on a ship, sailed across the world, killed off the local population and colonised south america.
And you are, by the very definition of the word trying to colonise the islands.
Yes, he UK had a very large history with colonization, So did spain, and deny it as much as you like, you were part of that empire that went out and colonised the world.
Perhaps you should look in the mirror before accusing others.
118 lsolde (#) Peter is staying with Patrick Watts and they are expecting you to visit them. Abrazos
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron has made it clear...listen you silly Pro Malvinas bloggers, hands off or else! You have no options left, your arguments have been proved as toothless because of all the lies over centuries, the world will only accept a lands populations wishes as legitimate grounds (i.e. self determination) and you will never again be able to launch military force as it would be a complete waste of life and money. Forget your stupid claims and concentrate on making friends not enimies, you never know, you could even get a slice of the oil cake that way.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the pot calling the kettle black
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what kettle,
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hot pot, black paint,
no referal, no pointer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
come now argentina, do you wish to be humiliated, [no] then back it up,
your little puppies on here are getting restless,
bark bark, wimper wimper, , you have waited for this,, now do the right thing, back it up,
the Cobra needs just one bite, [just one]
he's got a cheek!
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fishy :-)
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/flags-fishermen-and-stunts/
that’s the pot calling the kettle black
Jan 19th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#132 Fishy :-)Does not matter what you think..Argentina will win at the end!!
Jan 19th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not waste time in a lost cause..Argentina is determined to get the property back.....
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Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 Malvinero
Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget it. We are'nt going to let you kick out the falklanders from their homes. You have misjudged the mood over here on this one. Read the comments in any UK paper on items on this, even the lefty Guardian, and you'll that we will never surrender to fascist bullying.
I agree with Isolde. At worst the whole fisherman plot looks like a caucus bellus to me - an excuse to cause an incident that ends in violence, with you trying to pin the blame on us.
Cameron is talking about leaving it to the police to deal with this. This shows a lot of restraint. If I were cameron I would activate the defence plan now- and reinforce the garrison to a war footing for the forseeable future.
I'd like to see you lot move a full brigade group and full strength Typhoon sqd backed by AWACS.
The [nsc] has it worked out, we cant say to much,
Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but this time the argies have jumped right into quick-sand,
and their brain dead bloggers still think its a game,
was it not that thinking man who said argies bloggers should be praised for their brillient comments, perhaps he should re-think ,
and remove their dummies first .
What a lot of ranting drivel from all the Arg folks on here! First marcos on about Scotland - nothing whatsover to do with Falklands - either read and rstudy the Br Constitution or shut up Marcos!Nobody and not even cameron is saying they should not have a vote on Independence- just that there in only ONE legal way of doing it.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then all are so upset because they are no publicy branded as with Colonial Ambitions! The truth hurts I guess!!! Please can any Argie explain to me:
What do you call it when a Foreign power wants to take over the Democractic Government of another people and start telling them what they can and cannot do when they have been living in that country for just as many generations and the majority of that foreign pwer has in theirs?
Its called COLONIALISM!!! Godd old 19th Century style! Here in the Islands we left that type of Govt behind decades ago!
Population,s “Interests” are decide for them by DICTATORSHIPS.
DEMOCRACIES act on the democratically made WISHES of a people.
As for flags on remote Islands down south - that game has gone on for years! You plant one - later on Royal Navy patrol finds it and burns it!
Does not bother me! You are the childish silly buggers!
@122 kelperabout
Jan 19th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are unique in that our importance to the world is that we are the gateway to that yet commercially unexplored continant Antartica which we also know is a place that Argentina one day also wants to lay claim to but is unable to because they as yet do not control the Falklands.
On the nail, this is one of the main factors behind what is happening now.
With the Falklands & S. Georgia Argentina has a strong claim in the Antarctic. Without them they realy don't have much of a claim at all.
Stunts like that with the fisherman, are what get people killed and start wars. Unfortunatly those reponsible for ordering such provocative acts do not have to carry them out, or I suspect they would not order them.
The Falklanders will decide there Own Future and that will not include being part of argentina!!
Jan 19th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands have a thriving and varied Businesses on the Islands and are destined for Greater things in years to come!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Colonialism is a practice of domination, which involves the subjugation of one people to another. One of the difficulties in defining colonialism is that it is hard to distinguish it from imperialism. Frequently the two concepts are treated as synonyms. Like colonialism, imperialism also involves political and economic control over a dependent territory. The etymology of the two terms, however, provides some clues about how they differ. The term colony comes from the Latin word colonus, meaning farmer. This root reminds us that the practice of colonialism usually involved the transfer of population to a new territory, where the arrivals lived as permanent settlers while maintaining political allegiance to their country of origin.
Jan 19th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sanford encyclopaedia of philosophy
Note.talking about things is not colonialism
Any other definitions to back Cameron's use of the word,please cite
@141 Yuleno
Jan 20th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Colonialism is when you take over the land of another people, then tell them what to do and how to live their lives, if you don't evict them or kill them.
Thats what you want to do to the falklands.
QUOTE: Colonialism is the establishment, maintenance, acquisition and expansion of colonies in one territory by people from another territory. It is a process whereby the metropole claims sovereignty over the colony and the social structure, government, and economics of the colony are changed by colonizers from the metropole. Colonialism is a set of unequal relationships between the metropole and the colony and between the colonists and the indigenous population.
Sound familiar.
In this case the wannabe metropole is Argentina.
the indigennous population is the Falklanders.
Judging by the comments some of your lot generate I would the relationship would end up being unequal. Fancy seeing Argentinian soldiers forcing Falklanders from there homes, again.......
hey ppl, i know a quote who says:
Jan 20th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0”argue in the internet is like special games, you can win, but you are still a retard“, forgeting the prejudice, the quote is right and is what i see in this site, argies and brits shouting insults.
All of you should use this space to practice your diplomatic conversation with true arguments.
Anyway, as a brazilian believe thats the way, not bury young warriors. Goodbye, greetings from Brazil.
@141 Yuletide Cheesy Peas
Jan 20th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, what you're suggesting is that Cameron shouldn't be accusing Argentina of just colonialism, but BOTH colonialism AND imperialism.
I agree.
@134 What are you going to win? Auntie Ethel's game of bingo? The prize in the facility marked “caballeros”? Where, if you're lucky, you put in a 100-peso note and the door opens? Or do you still think that's “magic”. Actually, it's voodoo. Close to what you're made of. Doo-doo.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAAHAH wait and see,uk is crumbling looser.Just take care of the 3 millions unemployed....usseless looser
@145 Malvinero01
Jan 20th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You just responded to your own post 134.
I wouldn't call other people losers if I were you.................................
Tut, tut, Malvinero1.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not losing it.You've lost it.
Your brain, that is.
Fernandez Kirchner
Jan 20th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hector Timerman
Florencio Randazzo
Not names that one would recognise as being South American in origin.
So are you lot going to hand back Argentina to the Amerindians and bugger off back to Spain and Itlay then, bloody colonialist hypocrites!
They have no valid claim, what they do have is a woman with a very healthy ambition,
Jan 20th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that there is anything wrong with ambition,
But in this case, the woman will do and try anything two intimidate, and drag others into the equation so that her ambition becomes a reality .
In doing this, she gives no regards or fears no consequences, or guilt in the out come,
Britain wants only peace, but Argentina takes this as weakness, and so the pushing continues,
And this will encourage others to get involved; she thinks that international pressure,
Especially from America, will force the British to retreat, give up and go home .
Sadly they still think it is a game, in this day and age, Britain would rather suffer humiliation , rather then confront them.
How sad then, that this is most likely to backfire badly, on the contrary, the British will be forced into conflict, and CFK and her government will suffer badly, for they are so blind with greed and delusions, that they fail to see, that her actions may well continue until the inevitably happens, and blood is spilt .
As this will, if CFK does not back away, decent into bloodshed , and deaths,
And this bloodshed will be on their hands for decades to come, and more importantly, destroy any feint hope
With the Falklands forever,
Just because it has not happened, today, or yet tomorrow, it will come,
It has to come, for fate says it will come , lets hope she backs away with grace,
Rather that face humiliation, [ peace ] give it a chance .
143# hardly a diplomatic post is it.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0142#the quote isn't mine but it doesn't include talking about anything as colonial.That is the point.What it does say is that to take over a territory other than your own territory ect
Officially.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Name me one country today, that is considered by the
UN to have an empire,
Thereby making them imperialists .
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@150 Yuleno.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are trying to take over a territory other than your own. That is colonialism.
Yuleno,
Jan 21st, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt is NOT your land.
Wake up out of that state-sponsered dream.
lt has NEVER been your land
& it NEVER will be your land.
lts OUR land.
You do not read things.Argentina claiming sovereignty over the Malvinas does not constitute colonialism.To say a claim is colonialist while the islands a occupied by a foreign country is close to lying.Which is why Cameron was careful to mislead.colonialism is occupying not talking.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And when the islands a finally returned they will be a part of Argentina
ln your wildest dreams, Yuleno
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I a logical response, obvious ! what do you expected ?? .... maybe....Oh yes we are a one of the most powerfull army in the word and even one of the first economy, for this we bring them back the Island to Argentina. Come on don´t be silly this will never happend, not now even with Morticia Addams (cristina) and the fake Keith Richards (Budou) in the Goverment.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine colonies: 0. British colonies: 16.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0criminal hypocrites.
cameron, as many of you, can't stop talking crap.
get out of latin america!
@157 Cero
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After you. Argentina is an ex colony. Perhaps you want to evcacuate it so that you can give it back to the indigenous people?
You're a criminal hypocrite, wanting to turf people out of their homes.
@154 Yuleno.
You don't get it do you? You never will.
Re-read the definition of colonialism. You want to claim the territory of another nation that does not want to be part of your country. That is colonialism. You want to implant your own people to supplant the locals or force the locals to be Argentine citizens. That is colonialism. You are lying by denying it.
Perhaps you are lying to yourself because you are ashamed to admit openly that you want to kick out 3000 people from their homes or force them to kowtow to the flag of Argentina. It's disgusting.
In argentina we have a phrase, del rídiculo no se vuelve, in english it would be, you can't go back from a rediculous posture, that's what's happening to your prime minister, when he acuses argentina of colonialisem, anyway, if some of you agree on hes words, i would like you to answer me a couple of questions please. ¿How many countries did argentina invade in the last 200 years, in order to impose a colonial regimen?, ¿how many argentine overseas territories are there in the world?.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beside, if cameron should remind argentina that it lost the war in 1982, like it was suggested, i hope that some one reminds cameron also about all the resolutions that call the two nations to resume the negotiations, which are rejected by the u. k, it must be reminded to him too that in two oportunities the u. k. tried to include referencies about self determinaton for this cause, in 1985, and the international comunity voted by a landslide against those proposals.
I know that nothing will change respecting this cause, but unless i'm happy because we are nobody's colony anymore, nor nobody's backyard, like we were in the decade of the 90, or like when we were a british colony for more than 100 years, anyway the biggest challenge that we have now, is to eliminate or to reduce the hight social unequeality that we have in our country, there is still a lot to do for the people, we improved a lot, but i see also that some people doesn't have a good life quality.
(153) Isolde
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Land / My Land..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiMrvDbq3s
@159 axel arg
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't think Argentina trying to colonise the Falklands in the modern world is not a “del rídiculo no se vuelve”.
In answer to your questions:
“How many countries did argentina invade in the last 200 years, in order to impose a colonial regimen” - Only one now called Argentina.
“how many Argentine overseas territories are there in the world” - Argentina claims three, Falkland Islands ,S Georgia/S Sandwich Islands and British Antartic Territory.
Actually it is all about recognising the rights of the Islanders to self determination.
The world is changing and this will be the determining issue in the future, but this is just my prediction.
If you change international law , let a con merchants
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legally take your property, how long will it be, until con merchants spring up and claim everything they can, and all legal like, and sod democracy,
That is until the Conner, gets conned, out of his, land, then listen to him scream im the victim
And where is international, the same law his disregarded when it suited him,
What goes around, will come around.
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pirates!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0163 Cero (#)
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0pirates!!!!!!!!!!
yes, argentina is a pirate,
she could do better,
but with at her side, why should she,
@163 Cero
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Criollo Bandito
Let´s see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IvHJKwEvypY&NR=1
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason the British are there is the same reason you are in SA, its historical.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And 1833? and the argentinian people that was there in 1833?
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the brits in 1765
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thik may we will have las malvinas or falkland togheter. why not? I think argentinians never going to give up the Falklands / Las Malvinas, and you never going aceppt Argentina proposed, but i think may be you can be angloargentinian, and think many britishers came to Argentina and now they and their descendants are argentinians.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PUGOL-H.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the right to self determination is really applicable or not for this cause, that only can be assured by a judgement of the i. c. j, however, if none of the two nations proposes to give such an important step, maybe it's because none of them is sure that it can win the case, so, the best that they can do, is to resume the negotiations like the u. n, and the international comunity signalize, beside, read my comment again, and you'll see what happened when the u. k. tried to include references about self determination for this cause, the best that we can do, is to investigate, we can't buy any offical propaganda, in my case, i investigated a lot about this conflict, and made a survey, i can send it to you if you want.
All the kelpers have to learn about Alexander Betts and defend the islands!!!!
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/islas-primer-malvinense-DNI-argentino_0_632336833.html
or keep being a brit invasor in South America...
172 nitrojuan
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link is just the usual Argie lies and obfuscation in Espanol.
There are no Malvinas.
At the point of exasperation, listen, listen listen you bunch of lunatics, there is no point at all in continuing this argument based on historical facts or hearsay, we could argue for ever about that. The only fact that matters at all is what the Falkland Islanders wish, not what CFK wishes or the USA, or any other Nation or person. The islanders want to remain as they are, under the flag of their choice, its called SELF DETERMINATION and is supported by INTERNATIONAL LAW, so stop trying to force your wishes upon a people who do not want to be part of your struggling dictatorship...sorry democracy, in Argentina. Leave them alone for Gods sake, CFK wants the oil, and she will get it even if it costs thousands of lives the evil bitch. Why else would she make such a fuss over these tiny islands and its peaceful people who wish no harm on anyone. Think about it more, if Argentina were to give up her claims and built up frienship and henceforth, commerce with the islands, their would be plenty of wealth to share for all concerned. Don't say its not as simple as all that, because it simply is as simple as all that! END OF!
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0171 axel arg (#) Very interested that you have undertaken a research on this issue. How many years have you been researching and where have you carried out this research???
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171 Axel arg
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The right of “all former colonial people to self determination” is in the UN charter. The UN has not, and never will say that it does not apply to the islanders. In effect what argentina is trying to do is re-write the charter.
Eventualy this fundamental right will be accepted by all UN commities/bodies.
If you read http://en.mercopress.com/2012/01/21/only-the-falkland-islanders-can-be-the-masters-of-their-future you will see Hague offer discussion on many things, but not sovereignty.
You will also see Hague dispute the Argentinian version of History, you will see a lot more of this. Before you can talk about taking a case to the ICJ you must first establish if there is a case to answer.
Once the rights of the Islanders, and the truth about the history are established, we can see if there is a case to answer and indeed anything to negotiate.
First rule of negotiation is, “to negotiate you must have something to negotiate with”, we all know what Argentina wants, but what does it have to offer the Islanders to persuade them to want the same,
other than threats, blockades and invasions.
TIM. PUGOL-H.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TIM: Actually i have always read and studied about this conflict, because it's an important issue for me, but since the beggining of 2010, i started and exhaustive survey, taking into account the argentine and the british arguments, my investigation lasted more than one year, beside, i'll need it to present as studies, because i study geography.
PUGOL: The history is always submitted to omitions unfortunatelly, that's why it's necesary to investigate, i'm not intereseted on parroting any official propaganda, like some of you do.
It's true that right to self determination is incororated in the charter of the u. n., and in resolution 1514, but what you dont know, is that both, dont let any colonial situation to break the territorial integrity of any country, i suggest you to read resolution 2353, which reffers the gibraltar dispute, in one of it's paragraphes, is perfectly explained what's the thought of the charter of the u. n respecting the relevancy of the principle of territorial integrity.
On the other hand, you should know also that in 1885, my country suggested to take the question to the arbitration, and the u. k. rejected that posibility, and in 1947, the u. k. proposed to take the question of the dependencies to the court, and it didn't include the dispute ofr the malvinas-falkland islands.
Respecting the so called blockades, you should understand that these hard decitions are the result of the intransigence of the islanders and the british to resume the negotiations like the u. n signalize, if you have no capacity to see that, it shows that you are just parroting propaganda.
@159 Axelarg
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QUESTION “, i would like you to answer me a couple of questions please. ¿How many countries did argentina invade in the last 200 years, in order to impose a colonial regimen?, ¿how many argentine overseas territories are there in the world?.”
Answer -
Argentina attempted to annex the Rio Grande do Sol leading to the platine war, which you lost.
Argentina conquered the desert territories in the 1870s -80s forcing out or killing most of the indigenous people.
Argentina Annexed Paraguayan territory after the war of the triple alliance (1864-1870).
Operación Soberanía - you planned to invade Chile in 1978 over the beagle channel. Averted at the last minute.
1833 Argentine garrison evicted from Falklands after Argentina tried to claim the islands, despite being already owned by Britain.
1982 - Argentina invaded the falklands and were defeated.
1982-onwards continual attempts to impose Argentine colonialsim on the Falklands - failed.
So you hav''nt been overly successful as colonialist, not for lack of trying, mind you. It is enough to disallow a claim that “we never stole other people land”. You're just not very good at it.
Number of overseas territories - zero (o) and going to remian that way.
@178 shb QUESTION “, i would like you to answer me a couple of questions please. ¿How many countries did argentina invade in the last 200 years, in order to impose a colonial regimen?, ¿how many argentine overseas territories are there in the world?.”
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What sort of a question is that? It has no importance to the current debate or any relevance. What happened 200 years ago on a global scale when expanding Empires such as the British, French and yes, Spain etc were competing for territories in the 'new world', only proves that this was the way things were in those days. Argentina, was created by the Spanish who were as bad and often worse than all the others including the Brits so why don't you concentrate on seeing that by taking the Falkland islands against the peoples wishes are just rolling back the years to the kind of behaviour that you are complaining about. Talk about stupid, good home goal knob head!
177 axel arg (#) I would suggest you start your research in the Archivos Generales de la Nacion and also in the archives in La Plata; then if you have the cash head for the National Archives at Kew. My friend Peter, has been researching for 12 years in all these places.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies to shb I meant 159 Axelarg.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@181 BritishLion
Jan 24th, 2012 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0No problem
@177 axel arg
Jan 24th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Self determination is a fundamental human right, territorial integrity is not and can not therefore be used to overide self determination. As was clearly shown with the break up of the former republic of Yougoslavia
2) To invoke territorial integrity Argentina must first establish that the Falklands are in fact sovereign Argentine territory. This where history becomes important (I would again refer you to Hague's comments about the history of the Islands in the article http://en.mercopress.com/2012/01/21/only-the-falkland-islanders-can-be-the-masters-of-their-future ). When you look at the truth about the history it is absolutely clear Argentina has no real claim to the Island historicaly.
With reference to Giberalta you will note that Spain has not dropped its claim (they say they nerer will) however it has abandoned any attempt to coerce the people of Giberalta into submission. Gib has 2 Euro MPs of its own (Falklands next is my bet) and in modern Europe its is not possible to even talk about changing a thing like sovereignty of a people without their consent.
This is not propaganda, its a point of view.
May I suggest you reseach the history of the south atlantic/antartic.
To all of you Argentines who actually believe that we have no right to be on these Islands even though we are born and bred here Could anyone of you justify why you as succeeding generations of a people that took the Country of Argentina by force have any legitimate reason for your bieng allowed to continue to live there. After all you appear to assume we have no such rights.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Givin that our forefathers were living here many years before Argentina actually existed can you again justify what the hell your argument is all about. Seems to me it is nothing more than what we hear term as trying to keep up with the Jones. Unless any of you are over 200 years old you actually have no more right to dictate to us what we can or can not do or that you should be allowed to call the Occupied Country of Argentina your home either.
Finally how would you feel as a people if we the Falkland Islanders made legel representation to remove you from your home because we decided that we might like to have it. Bet you would all be fighting your corner am I right.
183 Pugol-H (#) I certainly like your style of writing and it is obvious you have been doing your research, unlike some (do I know you by any chance??). Bear in mind that “proximity” is not a legal claim under international law, something I am sure you are totally aware of.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SHB. TIM. PUGOL-H.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TIM: Thank you for you advice, actually i searched information at the library of our chancery, the bibliographies in that place are really valiouses.
SHB: It was obvious that unless one of you was going to use the argument of the occupation of the patagonia.
Our country had full rights to occupy that vast territory, because it's part of the nation, beside it joint the viceroalty, and it's the most important fact. Anyway the occupation of that big territory didn't justify the despoliation that our brothers belonging to the originary people suffered, when the argentine state started to exercise it's rights, that's why it has always been necesary a historic reparation for those people, in fact, the reform of our constitution of 1994, signalizes the preexistence of the originary people, and some lands have been already restored to them, it indicates that the argentine state is doing the right thing, anyway there is still a lot to do for those people, because some of those population are still victim of abuses by powerfull masters who expeled them, now i wonder, ¿what kind of historic reparation are you going to do with our country, when will you apologized to us for having stolen the islands to argentina?, i know i t wont never happened.
Respecting the war of the tripple alliance, i think it's the biggest national shame, and our state should apologize Paraguay for that.
PUGOL: My sugerence about resolution 2353, was only to indicate the thought of the u. n respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity, i know that gibraltar and malvinas are very diferent disputes.
On the other hand, i know so much about the british perspective regarding the islands, that's why i included it in my investigation, whenever you want, you can read it. Beside the right to self determination was invoked in diferent oportunities for several colonial situations however, it was never invoked for thise cause, you already know what i think about it.
@40 Um, if you were to actually do a bit of further research, you would
Jan 25th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0know that the UN list of non self governing territories is considered very controversial for a number of reasons (if you don't believe me check for yourself on Wikipedia). The Falkland Islands have their own elected government, complete with a legislative assembly. They control every aspect of government except for defence, which I believe is the responsibility of the ministry of defence (Though the government does control and fund the Falkland Island Defence Force). The islands govern themselves, Britain merely has an obligation to defend them as the are part of the British Overseas Territories. However, like all British Overseas Territories with populations that extend beyond military forces and their families, they rule themselves with little or no interference from us, and we will defend their freedom and autonomy forever. Argentina has no right to come to British territory inhabited by people who have lived on the islands for nine generations, and want their home to remain under lawful and just British rule.
And one more thing. To all of you Argentine bloggers who think that Cameron has no right to accuse Argentina of colonialism, I think that you'll find that he does. Argentina is trying to take over the lands of another people for its own benefit against the wishes of the local population (a population which itself has actually existed for longer than Argentina). Argentina is being colonialist here. Britain has not been a colonial power for years. We gave back all of the territories that you may have had some justification in calling colonies a long time ago. The remaining overseas territories are, as I have already outlined, largely self-governing with little interference from us. We may once have been a colonial power, but Argentina is the one being colonialist now.
Just thought I deliver a bit of a reality check for all of you deluded and indoctrinated Argentines
187# You are an avatar.nothing original in your comment.it is bias.Until Argentina seizes the Malvinas,there are no grounds for the acussation of colonial.We can all read Wikipedia,which is best read carefully and not with a pre-conceived opinion.No light shed whatsoever.
Jan 25th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is it that the UK quotes the law on the threatened closure of Hormuz,and imposes sanctions,while claiming Argentina act illegally.Then claims some human rights need ignoring as it doesn't like those laws.Is it because your country is being governed by a minority's minority,ie a faction in the Tory party,and it has an authoritarian strand as during the thatcher regime.I've checked Wikipedia but it doesn't say anything.Thanks for your views but they are views only,aren't they?
@188: Yul Brynner: “Until Argentina seizes the Malvinas,there are no grounds for the acussation of colonial”
Jan 25th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does 1982 ring a bell?
they are british, and will remain so .
Jan 25th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@185 Tim
Jan 25th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most unlikely we have ever met. Most of the info is not to hard to find on the net, however I do intend to visit the National Archive this year to see actual documents for myself.
@186 axel arg
In history no one is innocent, or they would not be here today.
You are right not to expect reparations for stolen Islands from the British,
but this is because the British do not regard the recovery of their own territory as stealing.
This is the relevant history, what actually happend in the Islands and when, not what happened in Patagonia or some part of the British Empire elsewhere.
Britain and Argentina have such completely different versions of events that both can not be true, establish what is true and how valid the claims are will become obvious.
I would also note much of the Argentinian case is based on Anglo French Spanish history and treaties from long before Argentina existed, and therefore can be found in the histories of these countries as well.
I would very much like to see what you found, is it on the net & in English. I am trying in Spanish but a long way to go, however since blogging here I have learned pirata, belicista, ladron, ilegales, mentirosos and papanatas. No doubt you have learned some similar words in English.
PUGOL-H. BRITON. BRITISHGUYFRONLONDON. CRACKPOT. And all the rest of the people in this forum.
Jan 25th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PUGOL: In a couple of days i'll give you my i mail adress, and i'll send my investigation to you, i wont publish it on line, because when i registered my analysis, i was told at the national direction of authors that if i want to publish my survey on line, i must ask the authors of the bibliographies that i used, in order to know if the accept me to publish their texts on line, only the introduction, the final analysis, and the conclutions are mine, all the rest belongs to diferent authors, anyway i was told also that it's hightly probable that nothing happens finally, but i want to be sure, that's why i decided not to publish it on line, beside all my investigation is writen in both languages, and it was made only by me.
GUYS:
I wont discuss once and gain about historic issues with you, because those analysis are always open to diferent interpretations, i respect your opinions, but i dont agree on some of them.
On the other hand, if there is not any other alternative than self determination, like your politicians parrot all the time, then ¿why the malvinas-falkland cause, is still considered like a special colonial situation by the decolonization committee, why the international comunity voted twice in 1985, against the british proposals about the inclution of self determination for this case, why none of the two nations proposes to take the question to the court, and why in 1947, the u. k. didnt include the islands in the proposal to take the cause of the dependencies to the court?. Beyond our wishes, the best that we can do, is to investigate, instead of parroting the partial analysis, the omitions, or the lies of the politicians. None resolution asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, nor affirm that the solution must be discussed only if the islanders wish it.
191 Pugol-H (#) French born historian Paul Groussac (1848 - 1929). As a very young man dropped out of the French Naval College at Brest (where the British were the traditional enemy) and emigrated to Argentina.
Jan 25th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He couldn't speak Spanish when he arrived in Argentina but learned the language, and established himself as a writer. He became a member of the Avellaneda/Roca clique and was made Director of the Biblioteca Nacional in January 1885 - probably so there would be someone in that important position that was friendly to the Roca government and who wouldn't meddle too much in Argentine politics.
January 1885 was just days after Argentina had effectively revived its claim to the Falklands by including the Falklands as Argentine territory in the new semi-official map being published by the Geographical Institute. This led to what known as the “Affair of the Map”, and involved a British protest and private correspondence between the two governments, which Groussac probably knew about. This episode ended the 34 year silence from the Argentine government on the subject of its claim to the Falklands, which it had effectively dropped by the 1849/50 Convention of Settlement.
In 1910, to mark the hundredth anniversary of the Revolution of May, Groussac published the first history of the Falklands: “Les Isles Malouines”. It was written in French and was anti-British. It was also written before the papers of Louis Vernet were donated to the nation - and so had comparatively little about the Vernet period, and rather more about the crisis of 1770/71 over Port Egmont. Vernet was “apatrida”, mainly interested in making money, and wanted Northern Europeans as permanent settlers in the Falklands (and could be said to have almost invited the British in).
Groussac remained Director of the Biblioteca Nacional, where he became something of an institution, until his death as a blind irascible old man in 1929.
Argentine nationalis
TIM.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many omitions and wrong interpretations of the facts, respecting the history of this conflict, it's true that our claim wasn't continous, but the posture of our government was perfectly described in the letter of manuel moreno to lord palmerston of 1849, in fact, in hes answer he recognized that situation of the conflict was described correctly in moreno's letter. After the sign of the convention of settlement of 1849/50, our country remained in silence respecting it's claim untill 1884, but that convention didn't have anything to do with this cause, the true motive of it, was the rasing of the blockade, in fact the u. k. never used it as a drop or renounce of our claim, i read all the interchanges of notes betwen our government and the u. k., since 1884 untill 1888, and that convention wasn't even mentioned by none of the two nations, some british authors want to use that convention as a drop of our claim, i have a lot of information in my investigation, in a few days i'll give you my i mail adress, and i'll send my survey to you.
The history of this dispute is well known by both governments,ONU,and other countries who support Argentina.The only ones who want to raise the facts of it's history are those with something to lose.The UK.That's the sole reason why colonialism is an issue linked to this dispute.The islands are currently occupied by a colonial country,who cannot permit independence and have not done so.In what way can the British claim islands in SA as theirs without occupying them?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0axel arg
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“because those analysis are always open to diferent interpretations”
When comparing two different, but sensible versions of history, you often find the data part names, dates, places even approx numbers broadly agree. However as the events are viewed from different perspectives the interpretation of those events are different. One mans glorious victory is anothers heroic defeat, but they agree a battle took place and usually when and where.
My argument here is that differences in versions of history, can not be explained, or excused, as a difference of interpretation.
In this case history is being completely re-written to create the impression of a legitimate claim. This is not a different interpretation of history, its propaganda.
Not to mention then using this propaganda to try and strip the Islanders of their right to self determination, which is, and ultimately will prove to be, the determining issue.
I look forward with interest to seeing your investigations, my friend.
trying to claim great britain as the bad guy,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and argentina as the guardian angel and inheriters to the falklands,
will not work,
a fox in sheeps clothing , is all you are .
“ 163 Cero - pirates!!!!!!!!!!”
Jan 27th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0When are you moving back to Spain, conquistadors!
188 - Here is the wikipedia content that I was referring to which you couldn't find. You need to look harder my friend.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One reason for the remaining controversy is the fact that the list includes some dependencies that have democratically chosen to maintain their territorial status, and an insufficient percentage of the population voted for independence (or in some cases the territory periodically organizes referenda, as in the United States Virgin Islands, but there is insufficient voter participation). Other non-self-determining areas are excluded.
Gibraltar is a prime example of resident desires to remain with the status quo. Gibraltar, a largely self-governing British territory on the tip of the Iberian Peninsula whose territory is claimed by Spain, has twice held referenda to resolve their status. In the first referendum, held in 1967, the choices in the ballot were either to retain their current status or to become part of Spain. The status quo was favoured by 12,138 votes to 44. In the second referendum, held in 2002, a proposal for a joint Anglo-Spanish administration of the territory was proposed, and was voted down by 17,900 votes to 187 - the “no” vote accounting for more than 85% of Gibraltar's entire voting population.
Another criticism is that a number of the listed territories, such as Bermuda, consider themselves completely autonomous and self-governing, with the “administering power” retaining limited oversight over matters such as defence and diplomacy. In past years, there were ongoing disputes between some administering powers and the Decolonization Committee over whether territories such as pre-independence Brunei and the West Indies Associated States should still be considered “non-self-governing,” particularly in instances where the administering country was prepared to grant full independence whenever the territory requested it. These disputes became redundant as those territories eventually received full independence.
PUGOL-H.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, most times the history is submited to omitions, or to wrong interpretations of the facts, i conffirm it when i read the statements of the representants of both nations before the decolonization committee, that's why i will always insist that it's necesary to investigate, in order to avoid to parrot any mendacious propaganda. One thing, are the diferences of opinions respecting the interpretations of the facts, which are all respectable, but another thing are the usuall omitions, in my survey i included many arguments of the british perspective which are signalized before the u. n by the british representants, on the other hand, i would like you to answer me the 4 questions that i typed in my comment 192.
@200 axel arg
Jan 27th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not my specialist subject I must say up front, history what I do, but!
@200
I thought (could be wrong) that the British no longer sit on the decolonization commitee, as they no longer have any colonies. I believe the Islanders represent themselves.
@192
The reason it is still considered a “special colonial situation” is because of who is on the commitee.
Many countries in the world, like China for example because of Tibet and Taiwan , do not want to set any precedents about self determination. Even some democracys like India do not want that because of Kashmire.
The British don't go to the ICJ because as I said before there has to be a case to answer, Argentina has no real claim to the Islands.
S Georgia has no permanant popluation whos opinion has to be repected when deciding the future status. No self determination issue there, is the difference.
Unless you intend to de away with democracy and freedom,
Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination and justice,
Then to be honest Argentina has no hope of succeeding, ever.
For imaging the latest scenario,
2012, Argentina has been given the right to claim sovereignty over land or territory sought after from the past,
Mexico would immediately claim and get parts of America,
Canada will claim and get some of America,
The UK would get its empire back, the French gets its empire back as do the Spanish the Portuguese
Followed by the Russian and Japanese empires, followed by the Greek and roman empires,
And the empires and aquantacys of turkey Egypt Syria Belgium Denmark Norway,
Korea the Aztecs aborigines Mayan and other Indian tribes getting back what they claim,
Followed by another 200 odd nations present and past, and democracy freedom
Self determination and justice, is now resided to the bin,
[Now be honest, you let one false claim] and all hell will break loose,
Friends neighbours, countrymen,
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN , [we hope ? ]
Justa historical thought .
Followed by another 200 odd nations present and past, and democracy freedom
Jan 27th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination and justice, is now resided to the bin,
[Now be honest, you let one false claim] and all hell will break loose,
Friends neighbours, countrymen,
britton:It is obvious that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND a damn thing about international law,claims and rigths.....And the claim of ARGENTINA is not false.10 UNGA res,Supports from OAS,MERCOSUR,UNASUR,CHINA,Brazil Chile.,C24....nothing will break loose....You are an ignorant former military,with a LINEAR thinking....
203 Malvinero1 why dont you piss off, for a stupid child thats indocrinated, you are as thick as shit,
Jan 27th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you insult all time like a degenerate gutter rat,
fxucking international law,claims and rigths
WHEN DID ARGENTINA EVER OBEY THE FXUCKING LAW,
you stupid prick, it was a senariro,
so take your stupid indocrinated thick shitten aids ridden getter ship back where you come from, and piss of,
dillinquent prick.
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