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CFK on Malvinas: in this upside down world “we are called colonialists and bad guys”
Fully recovered from the thyroidectomy and with her irony sharp as ever, Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, CFK, resumed office on Wednesday and in an hour plus colloquial speech in Casa Rosada spent a good twenty minutes talking about Malvinas, colonialism and promised more rigour in the campaign to have the UK sit and discuss Falklands sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNice speech, Cris!!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long winded, rambling, and inaccurate. There are, after all, no live UN GA Resolutions that need to be complied with on this issue.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those between 1982 and 1988 were finished off with the discussions that resulted in the 1989 resumption of Diplomatic Relations.
2065 had been stabbed in the back by all those cheering crwods in the Plaza de Mayo, those people of Argentina dancing in the streets in 1982, murdered by Argentina.
Cristina tells lies. Argentina has no shame !?
TWIMC
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some pearls from the above:
“We will continue claiming our Islands with far more political, juridical and diplomatic rigour......
“I’m signing a decree.... in order to declassify the Rattenbach Report.....”
“The fact we want discussions on Malvinas does not mean the Islanders have to cease to be British...., nor the Italians living in Argentina have to cease being Italian...., or the Spanish...., or the Ukrainians....”
”We definitively broke through the number seven...” (Blush....:-)
“The subsidies are for the needy and Argentina’s resources under our Constitution belong to the Provinces....”
“You know I’m a sucker for looks, but I said to myself....: ‘Politics before looks, darling’,”
This, my dahrlings..., is a woman of my liking.
More pigs ear than silk purse methinks, Think !
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0In an upside down world CFK would be mentally stable.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is she medicated?
“we are called colonialists and bad guys”
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because you are and for all the waffling about not responding, what is the silly cow doing?
And since when did Argentine politicians pass up on an opportunity to blow smoke out of their arse?
I am sure like many people of her age she takes medication but in your head of state Briton theres nothing to be done with in breeding.They are all raving lunatics and no medication helps.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is spot on when she notes 16 of the 19 cases at the UN decolonization commitee involve the evil empire
More pigs ear than silk purse methinks, Think !
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0In an upside down world CFK would be mentally stable.
Is she medicated?
No but you brits in this forum are....
No question about that!
I must admit,she is a much better speaker than cameron......
cameron and lordton..are SOOO DUMB.....My God...
Nice speech Cris..I did not vote for you althougth...
Iam soo glad that the brits imperialist react.....
Bravo cris...
The list is argely irrelevant now. Britain believes that the C24 fails to recognise the changed relationship.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that the C24 is going to hit funding problems this year.
It was being mooted recently.
Down Marv! Get back into your hole!
“But it’s good to remember that this is not an overnight achievement”, We will see more of this as CFK realises she has made no real progress whatsoever. Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the next election she will be saying, “ My son, will continue the fight - when he is not eating or snacking - if you elect him”.
they are depleting our natural resources, our oil, our fisheries. NO Christina,they are not yours,they belong to the people of the Falkland Islands and you have over exploited your fishing resources and buggered-up you own fisheries and you have not exploited your own oil resources because nobody in the oil business is stupid enough to invest in Argentina. CFK ,you are a basket case and your nick-name in B's A's is María Muñeca !!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, hang on, a woman with a Spanish/German name doesn't know why she's being accused of colonialism? How many in her government are from the indigenous tribes of South America rather than being spanish, german and italian, erm, colonists?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not take it to the ICJ?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0That “Decolonization Committee” includes Syria, Iran and many other dodgy regimes. Thank god is has no authority.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we will continue claiming our Islands with far more political, juridical and diplomatic rigour and with the so many supports that we are receiving. But it’s good to remember that this is not an overnight achievement, it has taken years”,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't Manuel Moreno say that in 1833? And , indeed, in 1849 ?
Of course, he didn't say anything after the Treaty was signed :-)
Ho Hum, claim on Queen malvinista.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not your land, not your land, not your land, not your land.
OURS.
oh Christina your lips are looking thinner, are you sure it was your thyroids taken out or was it your implants, nothing like a cancer scare to gain a bit of sympathy!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, she's got the miracle ticked off on the list. What's the next step in CFK's quest for sainthood?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0So they aren't really Argentines... they are spaniards, ukranians, italians , etc etc....
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0that sounds pretty much like a bunch of implanted colonials to me...
The scar? amazing what the make up people can do these days.....
Anyone else think they see a bit of back pedaling here??
19 So the US your old friend is a colonial power because they threw you lot out abd filled it with Ukranians,Italians,Spaniards,Irish,Jews,Germans all colonials too I suppose.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Start the march pal in London US COLONIALISTS OUT BIG CHIEF SITTING BULL BACK AHH but then sorry who arrived well let me think??????????
Yep... Puerto Rico, Phillipines etc.....
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Ukranians,Italians,Spaniards,Irish,Jews,Germans that went to the US became 'Americans'... (yes yes I know, not very original is it) .... they don't have a leader saying they are all still europeans...
''this is not an overnight achievement, it has taken years''
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has? Did I miss something?
I love the bit about the squid, from the woman who has thrown any idea of responsible fishing out of the window and instructed her fleets to catch all the fish and squid before they get here.
Does she think the scientific community is completely stupid?
''I haven’t heard a single NGO (non government organization) complain about what they are doing in our Malvinas Islands.''
Yees.....and why might that be?
a) The NGOs are all part of a huge imperialist pro- British colonialist conspiracy aimed at victimising the poor little Argentines, who never have a chance against the forces of evil ranged against them
or
b) There isn't anything to complain about
Answers on a postcard please,' Monty, the Falklands' will do. (it probably would :-))
Fair enough, so what you're saying is that it's ok to claim a land as long as, after you've arrived from somewhere else and kicked out the locals, as long as you then remember to proclaim yourself as independent, then you can be recognised as such and no-one else can claim you anymore. I agree, so let's let the Falkland islanders proclaim independence and then we can ALL leave them alone. How about that? If Argentina disagrees, that's called double standards I think you'll find.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody knows, history clearly shows that the (Malvinas) war was not demanded by the Argentine people,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM&feature=related
Bit like you couldnt find a Nazi for love nor money after the second world war
Obviously the generals could afford to pay for a better rentamob than the incumbent cow......
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love the bit about the squid, from the woman who has thrown any idea of responsible fishing out of the window and instructed her fleets to catch all the fish and squid before they get here.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does she think the scientific community is completely stupid?
That is the idea..monty...
The list is argely irrelevant now. Britain believes that the C24 fails to recognise the changed relationship.
I think that the C24 is going to hit funding problems this year.
It was being mooted recently.
Down Marv! Get back into your hole
I am above you lord garbage!
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! I do not know about funding...but uk is below ground.....AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
I’ve heard they were calling us colonialists”,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Er that is because you are you frigging numpty or did you think Argentina has always been Argentina and you never murdered the inhabitants that were living there before you lot decided up sticks and come looking for a better country to live in. Frigging hell, did this numpty have a lobotomy while she was in hospital?
We will keep claiming but don’t expect from this government any “intemperate shouting or actions.
Er looks like the Numpty did have a lobotomy while in hospital, as she seems to have forgotten what the Argentine Government have been doing for the past few years.
Cristina Fernandez the lobotomised numpty went on to say that when she was absent from government, “I’ve been told that we have some bad intentions for the anniversary and are preparing naughty surprises. Well it’s all nonsense we are going to keep to the political, juridical and diplomatic path we have been working on.
That's diplomatic talk for saying we are stepping back from the brink but we will continue with the lies we have been telling the world.
”Everybody knows, history clearly shows that the (Falklands) war was not demanded by the Argentine people, that it was a decision from the dictatorship” - CFK
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm...some very selected thoughts on history there. So the Argentine people didnt celebrate wildly at the invasion. So the loss of the war didnt anger the people to point where the government regime collapsed. So I guess the annual celebrations of the invasion of the Falklands dont occur either? Hmm....a lot of backtracking and lying/selective views on history there by CFK.
The UN isn't insisting that there should be any talks, because the basic premise for the UN is always self-determination; which the Islanders have. Anything else is colonialism, but it is useless to argue with the present Argentina: the proximity of the Islands, and the oil, and possibilities for a military base, gateway to the Antartcic, and the distance from the UK is Argentina's- a Colonial, argument. The people of the Islands don't want that. Or Argentina's Rule. What benefits could there be.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0So she did ingore the idiot of Cameron! I knew it!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 Islas Malvinas So she did ignore the idiot of Cameron!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well of course she did, the numpty was having that lobotomy at the time.
http://www.malvinasonline.com.ar/index.php/derecho-internacional/articulos/25-falklands-or-malvinas-the-background-to-the-dispute.html
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see now. Did CFK not proclaim last year how proud she was to be 3rd generation Spanish in argieland?
Where's her PROOF of her claim to the Falkland Islands?
Why doesn't she take her case to the ICJ?
Oh no. The Falklands War was not demanded by the Argentine people. So who were all those lunatics dancing around the streets of Buenos Aires after the invasion? Aliens? Fairies? (Possible. Fairies, I mean).
So she's going to release the Rattenbach Report? Whatever that is. Whoopee! I don't think. Anyone remember the Polish invasion of Germany at the beginning of World War 2? Except there was no Polish invasion. What there was was was the Gleiwitz incident. A staged attack by SS troops in Polish uniforms.
So now CFK wants to bleat “It wasn't us. It was the nasty junta.” Here's the bottom line. Every single Argentine who was alive at the time of the 1982 invasion and occupation of the Falkland Islands is guilty of being complicit in that invasion and occupation. In other words, every single Argentine born on or before 2 April 1982. In addition, every single Argentine born after 2 April 1982 who accepts or believes that junta's justification is also complicit.
And thus virtually every Argentine is a war criminal or potential war criminal. Proud of yourselves? Have you paid reparations to the people of the Falkland Islands for your war crimes? I reckon you owe the people of the Falklands around £3 billion. (Around 20.5 billion pesos). How much have you paid, war criminals?
@32 Yes, we will see a lot of back peddling from CFKC. Her ambition to coerce her neighbours into some meaningful blockade against the Falklands was knocked back firmly. Her campaign to act the victim has backfired as she looks exactly what she is, a prize bully picking on a small community. Her 'I'm a poor widow-woman with cancer' didn't pan out either. (BTW I am pleased she doesn't have cancer, I wouldn't wish it on anyone).
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, we shall see a lot of 'it will take time', 'we will never give up and be patient' whilst accepting she threw everything and the cat at a lost cause. She should stop taking instruction from Hugo Chavez and start worrying about her country.
Nothing has changed, nothing will change with regards to the Falklands.
The totalitarian sociopaths that are Peronists continue to spin their propaganda. Sadly a large percent of Argentines voted for the Peronist basura. The people deserve what they get.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will nobody rid us of this tiresome old crone?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LORD TON. JUTINKUNTZ. CRACKPOT. WESLEY MOUCH, and everybody else in this forum.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like i said in planty of oportunities, i wonder, if the right to self determination is the paramount, and if there is not any other alternative than self determination for this cause, then asnwer me, ¿why the international comunity rejected by a landslide twice in 1985, the british proposals about including references of self determination for this cause, why in 1947 the u. k. didn't include the dispute for the islands, when it proposed argentina to take the question of the dependencies to the court, why none of the two nations proposes to take the dispute to the i. c. j, why the decolonization committee still considers the malvinas-falkland dispute like a special colonial situation?. Beyond our wishes, the best that we can't do is to investigate, we dont have to buy the partial analysis, the omitions or the lies of the politicians, no matter if they say what we want to heard, we must be more intelligent, no body is idiot, the problem is that some people reject to make an ample analysis, and prefer to buy partial truthes. I dont deny that maybe self determination is really applicable for this case, but it's very extrange that none of the two parts proposes to take the question to the court, if they are so sure of their rights, like both parrot all the time.
On the other hand, it's very easy to criticise the behaviour of our people on april 2nd 1982 in plaza de mayo who celebrated when galtieri anounced that we had recovered the islands, however what you ignore is that in that time, all the chanels were in the hands of the junta, the censure and persecution was used all the time, and there was not any freedom of press, beside galtieri had said that we had recovered the malvinas with out any rencour, and people finally believed the lies of the junta, you should study deeply the situation of my country during the dictatorship and not make partial and unfair analysis.
@36 The only country disputing the sovereinty of the Falklands is Argentina. They are perfectly at liberty to take it to the ICJ. Your government will never do that because they know the facts are against them.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we do understand perfectly the situation when Argentina was under military rule. But the people still celebrated over the invasion of the Falklands- I am sure your own President joined the party - so to blame it all on one man is not likely to be believed by anyone.
What do you think of your President trying to censor the press, making protests against the government a criminal act, falsifying growth and inflation figures (no one outside of Argentina believes the figures and even the most rabid CFK fan has admitted to not believing the inflation figure spouted by the government)? I would be interested to know how you feel about these worrying developments.
@Axel
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, the fact the general assembly was not wholly in support for self determination in the 80s could not POSSIBLY had anything to do with
a) The fucking COLD WAR in which half the world was against the other half, and would thus half the world would automatically vote against Britain’s interests
b) The fact that nations like the Soviet Union, china and several dozen brutal dictatorships were bitterly opposed to self determination, and would thus not want to mention it in the general assembly
c) The fact that after the aforementioned Soviet Union, Warsaw pact and many of the dictatorships fell after the 80s also led to the world “strangely” start ignoring argentina’s screams for attention in the general assembly.
But of course, given your nation’s hysterical self obsession and delusions of importance, power and relevance such “little things” like the cold war and the fall of communism are NO WHERE NEAR as important as your pathetic nation’s delusions.
And the decolonisation committee lost all importance once all territories exerted self determination. Now it is just another forum for self pitying wretches like argentina to scream for attention. This is why it’s resolutions hold even less weight then the already non-legal, decidedly obsolete and non-binding general assembly resolutions.
And if you wish to “investigate” then kindly present primary historical sources proving unquestionably
a)that Britain had no claim whatsoever in 1833 and had officially renounced it’s previous long standing claim
b)that argentina had officially inherited the islands and was recognised by Spain as such in 1833
c)that vernet had ZERO dealings with Britain, let alone asking Britain for permission to settle (thus recognising their ownership)
d)that his settlers were removed in 1833
e)that the 1850 convention of settlement never happened
Well, what a nice smooth neck she has (as well a scar which will fade - but shouldn't it be on one side the neck for a thyroidectomy?).
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this is missing the point that while she sabre rattles for the 36.6% of the eligible vote who actually did vote for her the other 63.4% who DID NOT vote for her are getting shafted on the economy.
Even Bow-wow (the so called acting president) was at it, screwing the figures so that you needed to really think how all this nonsense was working. AND the answer is: it isn't working when you look at the whole economy.
I wish CFK would publish her 'Model' for the economy and we could all have a laugh. They would be better off with an Airfix model than this shower.
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Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ELAINE B. BRAEDON.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ELAINE B: I insist, if the u. k. was so sure of it's rights, then ¿why in 1947 it didn't include the dispute for the islands, when it proposed argentina to take the question of the dependencies to the court?, beside you should know also that in 18845 my country suggested the u. k. to take the dispute to the arbitration, and the u. k. rejected it.
Respecting the behaviour of our people during 1982, you should know that during the war, there where was two huge marches which lemma were, malvinas si proceso no (yes to malvinas and no to the process), and las malvinas son argentina y los desparecidos también, (the malvinas are argentine like the dissapeared people) study depply the question, and dont parrot partial knowledges.
On the other hand, if c. f. k commited corruption cases, she must be judged, but i wont deny neather that she made a lot for the country, despite the mistakes she made, i see the whole picture, not just the half, like you do. Anyway there are many lies and partial truthes in the press respecting the soposed acts of corrution cases of the government, the media with the c. f. k's gov. has a huge push of power since 2007, because she eliminated some of their bussines and continue controling the abuses of the big corporations, in those oligopolic groups, you'll find the true reason of the inflation in argentina.
BRAEDON: I made an exhaustive investigation respecting the historic and legal aspects of this conflict, it's not propaganda, i included also the british arguments, i can send it to you whenever you want.
@axel
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question is, if argentina had such a “strong claim” as you repeatedly whine, why the hell was it the UK who tried to take the issue to court despite argentina throwing a tantrum and refusing?
And again, grow a collective spine as a nation and take some responsibility for your actions. When argentina invaded in 1982, the ENTIRITY of argentina was in the streets celebrating and calling for blood, this can be seen in just about every video pertaining to the time, as well as the jubilant speeches outright opponents of the junta gave praising their invasion. Only when your conscripts were humiliated did you outright rebel in the streets, and even then you were demanding that there be another invasion undertaken.
The sheer level of self pity and delusions of victimhood argentines feel would be quite sickening were it not so funny. Also the fact that you take every opportunity to celebrate the war while demanding no one blame you is indicative of how deeply spineless you are as a people, as you demand the war be celebrated, yet also that argentines not be blamed.
The fact that CFK and the entirety of your political system is corrupt to the core and getting worse is just another reason why your whining about the Falklands is becoming so desperate. Your entire nation is crumbling at a rate that makes the very worst of the economic crisis in Europe look unbelievably tame in comparison. Yet instead of doing anything about it you engage in self pitying delusions about how you are really “victims” and should thus be pitied.
And where exactly are the sources you have that utterly prove the points I listed?
Some pieces of wisdom in her speech, many of them listed by Think above.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She dismantled the british excuse for being warmonger and extremely aggresive in order to justify MoD budget, or legitimizing the oil extraction manu militari.
Personally, happy for declassifying the Rattenbach report, and for naming the invasion as a “military adventure”.
Nevertheless, brave fighters should be honoured as always or more: pilots, RI25, BIM, etc.
War Authorities should be prosecuted for the adventure and the failure. We aren`t an imperialist thug as the UK, that could invade without chain of command accountability or could do based only on Tony`s lies.
Some of the truth in her speech should be welcomed by the islanders, probably not by British Government.
It makes sense to me.
How it is so many British companies are established in Argentina, making good money, I imagine, and even more, here I have a list of the English companies that have taken over Argentine companies in the last few years, and it is not a short list”. She then went on to read some names of the list of UK companies prospering in Argentina.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She would know all this of course, she has to, to calculate her cut.
I wouldn't want to be on one of her lists. She is clearly looking at where she can get some money from and is listing successful businesses to loot.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(43) Mr. Pheel
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always a pleasure reading your comments............
Here we are, to mature, street wise Argentineans in their prime, each firmly planted on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
Nonetheless…….., agreeing on most relevant stuff and beginning to dare to “Think” that maybe, with a bit of luck and some help from the Difunta Correa and Ceferino, there may be a future for our Country after all…………:-)
Hope it rains on you………….
Sincerely
El Think
PS:
RI25 !?!
Connection ???
@43 Pheel: Personally, happy for .... naming the invasion as a “military adventure”.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it looks like sh*t and smells like sh*t, then it is sh*t, I'm afraid. Trying to call it something else will not make any difference to anyone's perceptions of the 1982 invasion.
Argentina is already a laughing stock. Renaming the invasion as a “military adventure” will just be the icing on the cake.
Maybe we should rename the events of 1833 as a “naval day at the seaside”.
43
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some pieces of wisdom in her speech, many of them listed by Think above.
Get your tongue out old boy and give those boots a good lick. Sounded like a load of old tosh to me from some old tart who tried but failed to have her turkey neck surgically enhanced.
She dismantled the british excuse for being warmonger and extremely aggresive in order to justify MoD budget, or legitimizing the oil extraction manu militari.
What are you smoking? There is no oil. Ask your mate Think.
Personally, happy for declassifying the Rattenbach report, and for naming the invasion as a “military adventure”.
Military adventure, Naked aggression, War Crime. Quite right, quite right. Lets get it all out in the open. 30 years late but better late than never.
Nevertheless, brave fighters should be honoured as always or more: pilots, RI25, BIM, etc.
Might be mistaken but thought they were a bunch of unprepared teenage conscripts who surrendered at the first opportunity.
War Authorities should be prosecuted for the adventure and the failure.
Thought they had been but more for the failure- defeat- abject surrender than for the Military adventure - naked aggression -war crime.
We aren`t an imperialist thug as the UK,
Yeah but you wanna be don't you?
... that could invade without chain of command accountability or could do based only on Tony`s lies.
Do you actually believe this shit.
Some of the truth in her speech should be welcomed by the islanders, probably not by British Government.
Interesting. Should we perhaps allow the Islanders to have their say then? Shall we put it to a vote by all the Islanders? Wouldn't that be something like hmmmm let me see - Self Determination? You know I think you might have something there - let the Islanders decide - Brilliant you're a genius Touchy Feely. Problem solved
It makes sense to me.
Absolutely. Took a bit of time but you got there in the end.
Hi, Mr. Think
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, probably in opposite political sides but trying to agree on fundamentals.
About your “Perro-type” question about “military connections”, haha, let`s said that the 82 put me in a volunteer crossroad.
From then, I have some condecorated platoon lieutenants that honour me with their friendship and continue doing so.
Some condecorated from San Carlos, other from the airport, another from isolated fighting, another is still there after covering his soldiers retreat. No me lo contaron, eh
I would liked Menendez to die fighting at the front...(but even Von Paulus didn´t do that). Gral Rattenbach was a honest and brave soldier asking death penalty for him and his commanders...with them in power yet.
Let`s try to further agreements....don´t allow that Malvinas becomes only a “distractor” for internal affairs. Leave that to Cameron, Galtieri and LadyT
Regards
PHEEL (rained, thanks)
Like all liars Its ok for them to accuse others,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But when the compliment is returned she cries like a baby,
Let’s face it,
As long as she keeps talking
We will ignore her,
It’s as simple as that,
.
@36 & 41 Shove off, dipstick. You don't have the ability, the intelligence or the knowledge to offer any useful comments.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every argie born on or before 2 April 1982 is complicit in the war crime or invading a nearby (defenceless) country. Every argie born after 2 April 1982 who accepts, believes and reiterates the excuse of the junta is also complicit and equally guilty of that war crime.
40 million war criminals. Where are the reparations for your war crimes? I estimate £3 million. More than 20 million pesos. Have you paid?
About to start reporting all argie lies for removal. Bye bye (never to be heard from again) axel!
I m so sorry mates, but this time i absolutly agree with Argetinian president. She ... is witty, inteligent and smart. No matter if you, the british like it or not...:)))
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in fact, her words and speech has been very much on the button .. that there s nothing else to say. That, made me research for information by my own and i found these.... here is for you ... the world up side down
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Clarify that some companies are not English, but being Argentinian, are attached to the Argentine Chamber of Commerce - British.
Hydrocarbons
Underground Gas: belonging to British Gas Group, an international energy company, owns 54.67% of the company that owns MetroGAS. Web: www.bg-group.com Company Repsol-YPF, which specializes in the exploration and exploitation of hydrocarbons, controls 45.33%.
Shell. Anglo-Dutch. The headquarters of the Shell group is Royal Dutch Shell plc, incorporated in England and Wales.
British Petroleum, Repsol YPF and BP (British Petroleum) have created a joint venture dedicated to the services on the ground refueling of aircraft. BP owns 60 percent of the shares of Panamerican Energy, who was awarded without a tender procedure in 2007, for 40 years the site of Cerro Dragon lying mostly in the province of Chubut and a lower portion Santa Cruz to a ridiculous 12 percent royalty. By extension the term has been in practice a concession in perpetuity or until exhaustion.
Food and Drink
Unilever: Europe under the brand Bird's Eye in the UK and Iglo in other European countries. In Argentina, the company is present since 1926, even before the merger of Margarine Unie and Lever Brothers. Acquired after the Madrid Accords, Guereña (cleaning) and CICA (food) such as Ades, Hellmann's, Knorr, Lipton, Omo, Savora.
Cadbury: English sweets. Sweets and chocolates. Cadbury is a British origin company, founded in 1824 by George and Richard Cadbury, in Birmingham (United Kingdom). Cadbury plant in Argentina was founded in 1912,DIAGEO: Beer Guinness, J & B
“dialogue with the usurpers”, - so open minded about this!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don’t expect from this government any “intemperate shouting or actions” - Still can not stand up for laughing at this one.
“You know I’m a sucker” - My favorite
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Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sr Pheel (usted es propia tropa me imagino, no?), your comment about ”I would liked Menendez to die fighting at the front...... why? He was the Military Governor of the Islands during the conflict, it was HIS original job at the beginning .... el no fue el encargado del Teatro de Operaciones, o me equivoco??... everybody else was gone !!!!
Anyone who knows Mercopress address ?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I want to talk with them face to face when I 'll pop in Montevideo.
@48 Be serious,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellently written & witty too. Still giggling as l write. Bravo.
And yes, they DO actually believe their shit. Poltroons.
@56
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Parque Solymar
Montevideo
South América
15005
Uruguay
(#) 58 Amigo
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked Mercopress address,not pastry house adress.
40 Kipling
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha,ha!!! yes me estan contaminando!!ha,ha
(55) Artillero 601
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Blood is ticker than water”..... Right Menendez?
Well, she’s convinced her loyal bloggers,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That follow her every tweet
They even get down on their knees
And kiss her bloody feet.
They try to legitimise theft
To steal the islands, but as her support drifts away
She will be known as the old has been,
Promises everything, and delivers nothing
But talk and more talk.
.
Getting back on track, Cristina.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ARE colonialists(or would like to be).
& you ARE the bad guys.
Glad we got that sorted out.
Axel - I've read your long study - it's short on facts.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try mine - http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history5.pdf
And you've told before why the Islands were not included in the 1947 invitation. What you've never answered, is why Argentina didn't try to add them to the case!
It was very toned down, from her usual rantings,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We think she knows she has lost it,
Come April, the whole world will see not only where the Falklands are, but the beautiful union jack flying from there,
They will see the brits in all the splendour of celebrations, and the islanders will enjoy the moment
And the wanabe empire builders can look in awe,
And shamed face, as well they deserve .
@49 /54/61--- jiji yo lo vivi de los dos lados y muy de cerca... 100 puntos para usd. Game over!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well... cintinuaing addding some shit info, even if nobody cares: from @52 .....
Schweppes Soda is also British assets.
Beer Guinness, J & B Scotch Whisky Johnnie Walker, Cardhu, Vodka: Smirnoff, Ciroc, Geneva: Gordon's, Tanqueray, Rum: Captain Morgan, Cacique, Pampero, Tequila: Jose Cuervo. Wine: Sterling Vineyards, Beaulieu Vineyard, Blossom Hill.
Grand Metropolitan PLC. ICBN International Company SA Food and Beverage
Dove soap.
Ala, Cif, Comfort, Drive, Skip, Vivere, AXE, Clear, Dove, Impulse, Lux, Pond's, lines, Rexona, Suave.
RECKITT & COLMAN, Brassovora
Lucky Strike, Camel, Parisiennes, Kool, Viceroy, Jockey, Derby. Other brands of cigarettes marketed: Gitanes, Gold Leaf, 43/70, Winston and Conway. Cigars: Richmond
La Defense, La Suerte, Richmond, Exeter, Paper: Phytolacca.
Banco Patagonia Sudameris signed an agreement with Lloyds TSB Bank plc (formerly Bank of England) Branch Argentina, a
HSBC Bank Argentina SA Rockhopper Exploration (which operates as oil in the Falklands)HSBC.
Standard Bank. Africa and international operations based in London, England.
Ditec SA
Lucas / Indiel Group
Holding Rover Cars
Dunlop, Bridgestone
Hilton Hotel: Macacha Guemes 351, Buenos Aires, Argentina C1106BKG
Boston Insurance
Baker & McKenzie
Coats Viyella PLC & maker.
A security companyG4S Search.
CommunicationsVodafone
Minera La Alumbrera: Minera Alumbrera Limited is managed by Xstrata plc (Anglo-) Desire Petroleum and Borders & Southern , Minera Alumbrera.
Falkland Oil & Gas, looking for oil in the Islands, is behind the world's largest miner, Australia's BHP Billiton, which in turn searches from 2008 copper and gold in 40 000 hectares in Salta.
Antofagasta PLC
Vedanta Resources PLC
BHP Billiton
Anglo American
Mail
OCA (Argentina company, member of the Argentine Chamber of Commerce and British)
Bookmaker
Ladbroke
Like all liars Its ok for them to accuse others,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chipton:But when the compliment is returned she cries like a baby,
Let’s face it,
As long as she keeps talking
We will ignore her,
It’s as simple as that
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It is a lot simpler...loosers...
Malvinero
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like all liars Its ok for them to accuse others,
chipton:But when the compliment is returned she cries like a baby,
Let’s face it,
As long as she keeps talking
We will ignore her,
It’s as simple as that
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
It is a lot simpler..
Only a child can insult himself, and think its congratulations
Aaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbcccccccccccddddddddddddeeeeeeeeffffffffgggggggghhhhhiiiiijjjjjjack off
.
Because they live in place that they does not belong? Is it his country the islands? Since a nation can possess islands to 8000 miles of his territory? THIEVING ENGLISH MEN
Jan 27th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 054, u should be proud, that batallion didn´t excuse himself about being young, unexperienced or anything.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 055, u are right technichally. Rattenbach s opinion should be a good reference. A “Bolognesi” better than a surrender without nerve. And I don´t believe in “glory”, just in duty. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_Arica
@61
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's besides the point Sr Think :-)))
@77 Is Almirante Lombardo still hiding under the table ?
8000, 10000, 200000 ... whatever. Geography is irrelevant. Only Malvinistas don't want to recognise that!
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 071 Artillero 601, Put that ice Corona down for a minute and Wake up!
Jan 27th, 2012 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@77?
(70) Mr. Pheel
Jan 27th, 2012 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just to avoid any misunderstandings…..
I’m not proud of the RI25 “Per Se ”….
I valued some of its individuals….
One sure thing………., they kick 601’s ass anytime ;-)
57 Isolde
Jan 27th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0And may I just say how much I admire the Falkland Islanders resolute and determined defence of their Islands, property and way of life. There can be no doubt that Argentina's bullying tactics, supercilious attitude, and distortion of history are a disgrace and do their people no credit whatsoever.
BRAEDON. LORD TON. CONQUEROR.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LORDON TON: I will read your work when i have more time, i already told you that your blog is very good, anyway respecting the proposals of arbitration, in the same way that per harps argentina didn't accept to discuss about the malvinas dispute before the i. c. j, you should remember that in 1884 my country suggested to take the question to the arbitration, and it was rejected by the u. k., beside, this issue has always been understimated by you, i respect your opinion but i dont agree on it, this case presents strong and wick aspects for both nations, and that's something that we must recognize, if we want to revise the history, and not believe any official history or propaganda. Beside, i insist, if the right to self determination is the paramount, then aswer me the questions that i typed in my comment 36 please.
BRAEDON. CONQUEROR: It's lamentable the mediocre thought that you both have, you have no more than the partial or ignorant infomation, which is tipical of the empires. I dont deny that we have negative aspects as a society, in fact all the societies have them, in the same way that they all have positive aspects too, or ¿do you think you live in paradise?, don be so hipocrite, respecting behaviour of our people in 1982, i explained it perfectly in my comments 36 and 41, but if you prefer to continue keeping partial knowledges, that's your choice, beside, the state takes care so much about the war veterans, most them recognize it, i talked to many of the veterans, on the other hand the justice is judging the militar and the civil responsabilities of the dictatorship, it doesn't happen in many countries.
@74
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“One sure thing………., they kick 601’s ass anytime”
El GADA 601 & 602 ???? No way !!! ask the Brits that question and the GAA4 & GA3? they fought in the front line because the Infantry was gone ;-))
@73 :-)) @ 49 my bad !
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LORD TON:
Jan 27th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been reading partialy your work, i clicked in the link that you provided in your comment 64.
I must recognize that you made a very exhaustive work, i dont how long you investigated, but this evident that it took you so much time, my investigation took me more than one year. Anyway respecting the proposal made by the u. k., ir order to take the question of the dependencies to the court, i conffirmed that i wasn't wrong when i said that the proposal didn't include the malvinas, but what i dind't know, is that the peron's government had rejected it, now i ask you again, ¿if the u. k. was so sure of it's rights, why it didn't include the islands in the proposal, in order to discuss the sovereignty before the i. c. j?, like i told you in my other comment, the case presents strong and wick aspects for both, and nowadays it's more evident than ever, because none of the two nations proposes to take the question to the arbitration, that's why, if they wont do it, the best that the parts can do, is to resume the negotiations like u. n and the international comunity signalize, and find a fair solution for both.
There is already one,
Jan 28th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You go home and take the child with you.
Leave the islanders alone,
Simplicity at its best
.
Briton
Jan 28th, 2012 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could you stop the boody link, that link came from redhoy, please!! stop it!! mate.
The answer 'why' is in the paperwork Axel - http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/26/9065.pdf
Jan 28th, 2012 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cut & Paste isn't very good, and I'm not sure how the word limit will hold up, but you should be able to find it!
the Republic of Argentina, in a notice of claim deposited on Deception Island (South Shetlands) in January, 1942, and in a Note addressed to the United Kingdom Government on February 15, 1943, defined her pretensions in the area south of latitude 60'South as covering al1 Antarctic lands and dependencies between longitudes 25“ and 68” 34' West. This westerly limit was later extended by a decree of September 2, 1946, to longitude 74' West. Thus, the pretensions which Argentina has from time to time formulated to territories in the Falkland Islands Dependeiicies appear to cover South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands as well as the islands and lands situated between 25' and 68“ 34' West and south of latitude 60” South.South of latitude 60“ South, the western limit of Argentina's
pretensions, as given in the above-mentioned decree of September 2, 1946, is longitude 74” West : whereas the western limit of the Falkland Islands Dependencies is 6“ further to the west at longitude 80” West.
The United Kingdom's present Application does not, therefore, relate to the areas of the Falkland Islands Dependencies between longitudes 74“ and 80' West, which lie outside the declared limits of Argentina's pretensions. Similarly, the eastern limit of Argentina's pretensions, as stated in Argentina's above-mentioned notice of claim, and diplomatic Note of February 15, 1943, is longitude 25” West, whereas the eastem limit of the Falkland Islands Dependencies is 5“ further to the East at longitude 20' West. The United Kingdom's present Application does not,
therefore, relate to the areas of the Falkland Islands Dependencies between zj” and zoo West, which lie outside the declared limits of Argentina's pretensions. It follows that the United Kingdom's cornplaint in the present A
www.seabirds.org/malvinas7.htm
Jan 28th, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Briton the cowardly criminal Mercopress clone posted foul and abusive claptrap on another thread,and he expects respect from others
Jan 28th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0And lordton keeps posting internet history that is not rigourous but merely facts moderated by Eurocentric/yanqui committees which are hardly independent.
Merely Facts !
Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Says it all :-)
81 Kiwisarg
Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 084 Yuleno
you dont like it
There is already one,
You go home and take the child with you.
Leave the islanders alone,
Simplicity at its best
then thats tough isnt it,
you two are like malvino you insult, but when returned you claim to be the victims,
you have nothing, you WILL have nothing
you are just bitter that you lost, and now cry like babies,
you support a nation stealing from others, and that just about sums you [3] up, losers despicable and and anti brit, , children like you never grow up,
Kiwisarg on ya bike and skidadle , a turncoat in another country sprouting crap,
Yuleno, you still havet learned have you, thieves cannot have what they do own, so take your swag bag and get lost,
as for the child, we all feel sorry for him, he has a copier for a brain, and you two dont help by pressing [print]
now go home to mummy [please]
Simplicity at its best
Jan 28th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then thats tough isnt it,
you two are like malvino you insult, but when returned you claim to be the victims,
you have nothing, you WILL have nothing
you are just bitter that you lost, and now cry like babies,
you support a nation stealing from others, and that just about sums you [3] up, losers despicable and and anti brit, , children like you never grow up,
Kiwisarg on ya bike and skidadle , a turncoat in another country sprouting crap,
Yuleno, you still havet learned have you, thieves cannot have what they do own, so take your swag bag and get lost,
as for the child, we all feel sorry for him, he has a copier for a brain, and you two dont help by pressing [print]
now go home to mummy [please]
Too bad that the uk will leave the SA.....It is finished..poor bankrupt good for nothing uk...
@87 You are very lucky people. The UK will be in the South Atlantic for the next thousand years, minimum. You, on the other hand, may not be!
Jan 28th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0falklander are xenophobic: XENOPHOBIC IN FALKLAND ISLANDS
Jan 28th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Swaying beside him in her life-jacket, his wife Joan, a proud, fifth-generation Falkland islander, smiled at the thought.
‘Yes, then we’ll be able to buy Argentina!,’ she joked. ‘But what we’d do with all the Argentinians is another question. Perhaps we should boil them and make more oil; that’s what we did with the penguins many years ago.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092942/How-islanders-Falklands-preparing-untold-riches-Armageddon.html#ixzz1km2M3aww
@87 You are very lucky people. The UK will be in the South Atlantic for the next thousand years, minimum. You, on the other hand, may not be!
Jan 28th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAH
Same things that churchill said:“Let say that the british empire will last for 1000 years”.....20 years after was colapsing...
How is the oil doing in Malvinas conquered??
We have a lot of it in Argentina..it is too bad that the brits stupidity will not allow them to have any.......
uk is Finished sooo decadent and stupid,like 90% of the brits in this forum....
[v]
Jan 28th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good evening, Malvinero1 & Malvinero11,
Jan 28th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
to you both.
You are FINISHED!!!!!!!!!
Lordton admits he handles mere facts.nothing else.fact.
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LORD-TON.
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When i have more time i'll read your work, it's very interesting, beside i continue investigated, actualy i never stopped, i made a reformulation of my survey, and i will alwasy investigate about this issue, anyway i must recognize that i didn't know that peron's government had decided to consider as incontestable the rights of the country over the dependencies, per haps, the u. k. thought the same when it rejected to take the dispute to the arbitration in 1885.
ARGENTINA:
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1444228-los-refugiados-de-la-crisis-mundial-que-se-van-a-vivir-a-la-argentina
When i have more time i'll read your work, it's very interesting, beside i continue investigated, actualy i never stopped, i made a reformulation of my survey, and i will alwasy investigate about this issue, anyway i must recognize that i didn't know that peron's government had decided to consider
Jan 28th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well the issue about iCJ for the dependencies.uk DID NOT TELL Argentina or Chile that they were taking the case to the iCJ.Of course both rejected it.uk latter withdraw the ICJ case,because the composition of the court,was not favourable to uk.
CHECK MATE!
Good evening, Malvinero1 & Malvinero11,
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
to you both.
Hello Isolde...How are you.. everything fine with me....
Have a nice day sweety..
It seems the intelligent RGs are still capable of thinking for themselves..
Jan 29th, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/28/falkland-islands-belong-argentina
Marv - you remain an idiot! The ICJ told Chile and Argentina. Britain did not withdraw. The court said it could not continue because Argentina was a COWARD!
Jan 29th, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you owned a brain cell you'd be dangerous!
While some Argentinians still claim the Falklands for their own, increasing numbers are daring to say they should remain British. Photograph: Sergio Goya/AFP/Getty
Jan 29th, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Laura Sánchez never met her great uncle, Ramón Acosta. But she is proud to point out that he was a war hero. Acosta rescued three soldiers from his crashed helicopter after it was shot down in flames 30 years ago by a British Sea Harrier jet during the Falklands War. “Right now we are surrounded and it will be whatever God and the Virgin want it to be,” Acosta wrote in his last letter home. He went missing in action shortly afterwards on 11 June 1982, somewhere near Mount Kent on East Falkland, just three days before the war ended. In his native town of Jesús María in the province of Córdoba, there is a street that bears his name.
So you would expect 29-year-old Sánchez to be a staunch Malvinera, which is what diehard supporters of Argentina's claim on the Falklands, known to Argentinians as Las Malvinas, call themselves. But you'd be wrong.
“When I was a kid I couldn't figure out why he died,” says Sánchez. “And I couldn't understand why at school they taught us that the people over there are Argentinians.”
Sánchez became even more perplexed after her grandfather returned from a visit to his brother's symbolic resting place in the Argentinian cemetery on the Falklands, where 237 Argentinian war casualties are buried, close to the location of the Battle of Goose Green. “My grandfather came back feeling like he'd been to Britain; it wasn't like Argentina at all.”
Sánchez, a fan of Alanis Morissette and Lord of the Rings and a bespectacled student of history at the University of Buenos Aires, represents a small but growing number of youngsters born after the 1982 war who are questioning the old slogan “Las Malvinas son Argentinas” (“The Malvinas are Argentinian”), emblazoned on the placards that greet foreigners arriving at practically every airport and border crossing.
”Sometimes, I'm afraid of saying
LAS ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjkX9AYMYQ&feature=related
Jan 29th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The word coward lordton is a factual lie you have invented.If your strength is facts don't put lies in as facts.You know what you are doing.
Jan 29th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I am doing is telling the truth!
Jan 29th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that you'd recognise it, if it smacked you in the face :-)
#102 “ What I am doing is telling the truth!”
Jan 30th, 2012 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0excuse me Malvinero1 for the copyright.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Lorton AKA pinocchio....everybody knows that truth have no place in your life...... Stop kidding englishman.
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Jan 30th, 2012 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lorton AKA pinocchio....everybody knows that truth have no place in your life...... Stop kidding englishman.
lord: AHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
your nose is popping from my screen Sr....
Que risa,so far....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH or JAJAJAJAJJAJAJJAJJJJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAA!
Am I getting to you idiotas.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The truth can do that.
It hurts, doesn't it. :-)
@105 Lord Ton,
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think that they are begininng to go to pieces,
Reserve a couple more places in the Asylum.
Aside: (polite little)snigger!
Yep, looks like a seriousm outbreak of manic laughter to me...... maybe their meds are held up in customs......
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The truth doesn't hurt unless you hurt your nose lordton.The truth is the facts and your friends
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not that you'd recognise it, if it smacked you in the face :-) (you said)
In the nose you should have said :-()
@105 Lord Ton,
Jan 30th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think that they are begininng to go to pieces,
Reserve a couple more places in the Asylum.
Aside: (polite little)snigger!
isolde: AHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
uk is a bankrupt,stupid country!!
I am SOOOO glad I do not live with those IDIOTS!!
@109 No, the UK is not bankrupt but Argentina was officially bankrupt 10 short years ago. It is still blacklisted and unable to repay the debts. What does that make your country? Think carefully. People in glass houses and all that.....
Jan 30th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile back on [q]
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK on Malvinas: in this upside down world “we are called colonialists and bad guys”
Perhaps if we called them [the Falklands] and left them alone
We would be called civilised and good guys,
And a very good idea that would be, for all concerned.
.
BRITON. ELAINEB.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ELAINEB: I have an answer for you, in my comment 41. On the other hand, you are very missinformed, we are paying our debts, and there is so much to pay yet, but the foreign debt is not a restriction anymore, beside, we dont care if we are in some irrelevant black list, the most important was to recover the economic independence, and improve the social situation of our people, we improved so much, but there is still a lot to do, because we are a very unequal society yet, but we are nobody's backyard anymore since 6 years ago. Inform your self better, as usuall, most you have no more than the partial information that is published in the newspapers.
BRITON: Per haps, if your side, and the islanders respect the resolutions from the u. n, resume the negotiations, and leave behind the partial truthes that you use al the time to reject the negotiations, it would be also a good idea.
#112 axel, you say talking about the “educated” brits......
Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“..most you have no more than the partial information that is published..”
or
“..leave behind the partial truthes that you use al the time to reject the negotiations..”
So...What exactly means have partial information ...or half truth..??
Can you have a valid argument or fair point of view..??
1) Half the Truth is often a great Lie – Benjamin Franklin
2) Half the truth can be worse than a straight lie - H. Howard
3) There is no greater lie than truth misunderstood - William James
4) No lie more damaging than the truth in disguise - Tamayo & Baus
@112 Tobias
Jan 31st, 2012 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being as official Argentine line is to omit from history anything that goes against your claims of victimhood, deny that the falklanders would be forced to live under foreign occupation or otherwise be forced to leave their homes if you got hold off the islands and pretend that no-one in Argentina supported the disgusting invasion of 1982, you really should'nt pretend that you aren't beliveing in a set half truths yourself.
We will give you nothing.
No negotiation.
No surrender to Argentine colonialism.
@112 Axel,
Jan 31st, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is NOTHING to negotiate.
Cannot your feeble brain understand this fact?
We will not “negotiate” with you because.....Guess what, Axel?
There is NOTHING to “negotiate”. ls that clear at last?
So get lost.
We will give you nothing.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0No negotiation.
No surrender to Argentine colonialism.
Who cares...uk needs Argentina..Argentina NEEDS NOTHING from uk..
What you do not want to negotiate?The NO FOUND OIL in MALVINAS???
Nothing important there ..uk wanted to get rid of MAlvinas in the '80..It is a nuissance..
BTW,we can kick the british investment from Argentina...any time......There is nothing the brits can do..
YOu DO NOT WANT to negotiate,with the 8th largest country in the world?? FINE with me..
STUPID!!!!
shb and islode: WE DO NOT CARE,LOOSERS!!
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YOu DO NOT WANT to negotiate,with the 8th largest country in the world??
Jan 31st, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that happens to be inhabited by the world's stupidest people
And lost to the worlds 8th largest island
Jan 31st, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Dauntless will go to the falklands.
YOu DO NOT WANT to negotiate,with the 8th largest country in the world??
Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that happens to be inhabited by the world's stupidest people
AHAHAHAHAAAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAAAA!!
britton does not live in Argentina..
uk got the price...
HMS...who cares..take care of the 3 million unemployed....looser..
YOu DO NOT WANT to negotiate,with the 8th largest country in the world??
Jan 31st, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that happens to be inhabited by the world's stupidest people
AHAHAHAHAAAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAAAA!!
insane does not live in Argentina..
uk got the price...
HMS...who cares..take care of the 3 million unemployed....looser.. Malvinero1
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7 O gara
Jan 31st, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“CFK is spot on when she notes 16 of the 19 cases at the UN decolonization commitee involve the evil empire”
you both can't count. there are ONLY 16 cases. out of them 10 involve the UK.
SHB. SO_FAR.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SHB: You are the best example of the tipical person who just buys propaganda, firstly, no one is going to force the islanders to accept only our sovereignty, none resolution of the u. n affirms it, ¿do you know what a negotiations is?, the islanders wont have to renounce to their british nationality, read again what cristina said in her statement, and you'll realise that you are just parroting the tipical official propaganda of your country. Respecting the behaviour of our people in 1982, i already explained it to you in another comment, read my comment 41 that i typed for elaine b, where i explaine it again, i investigate, i dont parrot any propaganda nor partial truthes, like you do, beside, my name is not tobias, my true name is axel.
SO_FAR: Thank you for your comment, it's interesting, but when i mention about partial truthes, i mean the omitions, i mean when some one tells only the half of the history, for example, it's true that resolution 1514 and the charter of the u. n have fundaments about self determination, but what your politicians omit in this article, is that both have also fudaments about territorial integrity, in fact, resolution 2353 that reffers the gibraltar question, has a paragraph which clarifies the thought of the u. n respecting the principle of territorial integrity, beside, the malvinas-falkland cause is still considered like a special colonial sitution by the decolonization committee, and the u. n never invoked self determination for this cause, like it did with others cases of colonial situations, i made an exhaustive investigation about it, that's why i know what i am saying, i can send it to you if you want.
Axel, i know exactly what you mean......partial truthes, half history or omitions is the best handicap of this people......sorry for dissapoint them, we´re not chagoassians, even if they wish that......this is 21 century, no more space for empire, no more colonialism, no more slaves no more evil monarchy responsbile of the murders of millons around the world in all continents.....
Feb 01st, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks God, UK is almost over, justice is comming, now is just matter of time.
@Axel
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN resolutions have zero legal binding, and are mere “recomendations”, besides just about all the resolutions you cite can equally be used in support of the islanders based on how vague the term “interests” is.
however, all of these are fully legally binding.
The UN charter Chapter 1
www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
and Chapter 11
www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter11.shtml
and ICJ precedents
in Westen Sahara www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=4&k=69&case=61&code=sa&p3=0
in Kosovo www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=4&code=kos&case=141&k=21
and in East Timor www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=430&code=pa&p1=3&p2=3&case=84&k=66&p3=5
All give full legal support to the ISlanders, and give them the full right of self determination. As they are legally binding mandates, they each utterly outweigh General Assembly resolutions (half of which support britain anyway)
also the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm
the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cescr.htm
and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
all give Total, and utter support to self etermination of ALL peoples
there is zero legal statement from the UN that states this does not apply to the Islanders, nor any non legal statement to that effect.
however, your pathetic nation acting with such sickening hypocrisy is to be expected, given your delusions of power, importance and righteousness.
it would be funny were it not so pathetic.
Axel,
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't want to talk to you, so you can stop wasting your time by posting on this forum.
Malvinero1,
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
l suppose that you understand this, l don't.
Told you before, signor, it's LOSER not LOOSER.
Do you know the difference?
Are you a loser? Are your clothes looser on you?(if you've been dieting).
@Isolde
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey don't scare him off! i'm still waiting for him to get back to me with the historical sources regarding how both argentina's claim is right but that every one of the sources proving Britain's claim was somehow forged.
so far he has done nothing but run away to a different article but i have hopes he will whine out some HIlarious conspiracy theory at some point.
Also on the subject of Malvinero, why is it that so many argentines feel that typing “AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA” in all caps constitutes an adequate replacement to an argument? seriously it is as ubiquitous as them whining about us being pirates and i want an explanation!
Beware all Argy barmy bloggers the big bad pirates are coming to GET you. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Silly arses
Feb 01st, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0BRAEDON.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know perfectly about all those arguments, i already told you that i investigate, i dont parrot any propaganda like some people do.
Firstly, when you say that argentina is hipocrite, you should review the behaviour of your country also, you say that the u. n resolutions are just recomendations, however, if you dont respect them, then ¿what's the sense of the decolonization committee?, the u. n never asked the u. k to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, it only has always called the two nations to find a peacefull solution, beside if there is not any other alternative than self determination, for absolutly any one, then i suggest you again, to read resolution 2353 where is explained in one the paragraphes about the thought of the charter of the u. n, respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity, no matter if it's just a recomendation like you like to argue, it describes the thought of the charter of the u. n that you love to mention all the time, if you dont have any capacity to realise of it, per haps you are just making a wrong interpreation, or just being as hipocrite as what you signalize to argentina.
On the other hand, the i. c argued about the exceptionality of the kosovo case, i wouden't use it as an example, beside, the fact that none of the two nations proposes to take the case to the court, it makes think that actually none of them are sure that they can win the case, in 1884 argentina suggested to take the case to the arbitration, and the u. k. rejected it, and in 1947 the u. k. proposed argentina to discuss the question of the dependecies before the court, but it didn't include th dispute for the islands in the proposal, anyway our government rejected to discuss it. That's why i have always thought that if they are not going to give that step, then both should resume the negotiations and find a fair solution, no one is going to force the islanders to renounce to their british nationality, read c. f. k statement again.
@Axel
Feb 01st, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonisation committee acts in utter contradiction to the UN charter and the very resolution it was built on, and thus it has become utterly obsolete.
This is why their resolutions hold even less weight than general assembly resolutions, and now it is little more than a forum for nations like argentina to whine for sympathy.
And the UK is legally bound by the UN charter to obey the will of the islanders with regards to their self determination, and decline the invitations the General assembly issued 20 years ago.
Also you still seem to be in denial about the resolutions so I shall spell this out clearly. UN resolutions are legally MEANINGLESS; UN and ICJ Mandates is Legally BINDING. Thus when there is conflict between the two, the UN/ICJ mandates automatically have full priority.
2353 has been irrelevant since its inception as it is opposed by the aforementioned legally binding UN/ICJ laws. Especially when neither Spain nor argentina have ever taken their claim of a disruption of territorial integrity to an international court.
UN resolutions do nothing but reflect the mood of the GENERAL ASSEMBLY at the time, and since this was the height of the cold war, half the GA would automatically vote against the UK on any issue, with zero reference to the UN charter. This situation is why GA resolutions are legally MEANINGLESS
The fact the UK ignored you’re supposed suggestion in 1884 was because you had already stated in the 1850 convention of settlement that you had “no dispute” with us, thus relinquishing any claim you wanted.
The fact you refused ever since is merely testament to how pathetic your government’s argument is.
Your nation’s policy is to subjugate, disenfranchise and encourage the ethnic cleansing of the islanders. The only fair solution is for argentina to grow a spine and stop trying to bully the islanders
Now kindly tell me why each source i posted somehow does not matter
They don't matter braedon because your position is not faithful to the issue.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/you suggest that Argentina denounced its claim in 1850 and then
2/you suggest that the UK declined to discuss the matter and then
3/you claim that the UN past a resolution that the two parties should resolve the matter but that this resolution is worthless as it's not a mandate,and then
4/you assert that the UN was not independent when the resolution was passed because it was anti-British.
You expect this logic to be ignored and someone to believe your case.I think you need to sort yourself out and highlight why there is a dispute and why you don't understand that colonialism is now a dirty word and it's consequences need addressing and,where possible,correcting.And that correction does not include the invention of self determination of dependent people to a state which could represent those people through diplomatic channels with Argentina.
@130
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so binding international laws don't apply because argentina does not want them to? what a delusional view of your place in the world.
1) read the 1850 convention of settlement. it states clearly that argentina “recognizes no dispute”, and as we owned and controlled the Falklands, that effectively renounces any pretensions it may have had of a claim.
2)this would give the UK full legal right to decline suggestions to arbitrate
3) as the resolution is both obsolete and utterly irrelevant compared to actual international laws then yes. resolutions are not mandates and are not legally binding.
4) the simple fact at the time is that half the world was automatically going to oppose the “west” on any issue because of the ongoing cold war in which the UK was the second biggest power in the “west”. this ensured that motions in the GA against the UK would automatically enjoy support from the communist nations as they were on the other side. This is one of the reasons why since the cold war ended, there have been no more resolutions passed on the subject.
You demand basic UN law and precedent be ignored just so that your grossly inflated ego be appeased through subjugating the islanders.
if we are to correct colonialism then i suggest argentina lead the way in repatriating all those of mostly European descent back to their country of origin (over 95%), handing back all rights of the land and territory to the surviving natives, and issuing an apology to the islanders for attempting to subjugate them and steal their land.
now jump on the boat and piss off back to Europe or stop whining
most little children demand scream and stamp their feet,
Feb 01st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but the fact is, you just have to be firm with them,
just say, non nien niet no no no its that simple,
So braedon like all the Brits you drop your posture of being a sensible intelligent person and become the true self,a aggressive British colonial-minded dictator.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/1850 is passed
2/it does not, only your little head gives you that logical conclusion.The rest of the world outside the UK, know there is a dispute
3/the resolution is not irrelevant.Once again your logic is faulty
4/the UN was never a communist organisation.That's in your mind again.
Argentina threw off the Spanish colonial yoke and has since made it's way in the world independently and proudly.Obviously there has been up's and down's and it has not always been easy,but the journey is not finished and it remains independent.Europe is the root of the current worlds problems and I can't think why I should want to live in Europe
@Yuleno
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 01) you gave up ANY pretense of a claim in 1850. this means that whatever claim you want now is utterly without any merit as your former pretensions were given up in 1850.
2) and this impacts international law how? the fact they know there is a dispute is irrelevent, as the sources i cited above still hold legal priority here
3)and yes it is, especially when it contradicts basic UN law. this is why UN resolutions have zero legal weight
4)half the members of it were, and were involved with a cold war with nearly the other half. this is why the US and Soviet union filed so many resolutions against each other using their allies to vote for it.
argentina did nothing but choose to subjugate more land on it's own. after independence you stole vast tracts of land from neighboring states, and especially from native tribes, and in doing so you began a campaign of explicit genocide against them.
This is exemplified in the conquest of the desert (a recognized genocide which you celebrate on your money) where you ordered the extermination of native tribes who dared resist you.
You followed this sickening policy with mass settling White Europeans on the stolen land, thus cementing your sickening genocide as nothing but a racist attempt to create a new “white” country.
so stop whining about being the victim and grow a damn spine
@134 Braedon,
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you know mate that Argentina is NEVER wrong(they think!)?
So it doesn't matter what facts that you produce, if you oppose them, then you must be always wrong & they must always be right!
Something lacking in their genetic makeup, l suppose.
They just have to win all the time.
With a people with this mindset, it must be a huge blow when they lose.
They haven't got over 1833, let alone 1982!
That is why l believe that they will try again,
Their pride will not let them do otherwise.
134#&135#
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a load of rubbish you post.You try to present a sensible intelligent case for your occupation of las Malvinas,which you post long explanations for why you have any involvement with these inlands.Then as soon as you begin to realise that the issue won't go away,you drop your intelligent posture and reveal the fact that you where never sensible.You are so arrogant that you don't even consider the fact the all SA,Russia & china among many other countries recognise there is a dispute.Really,are you convinced the matter will dissolve the deeper you put your heads in the sand.
Your best remedy is to send more smallpox infected items to the Americas again.Not that it worked last time.Your enemy with even bigger demand was among you then,as they are today
Yuleno
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MORE CRAP? Everybody for you, against us. Where will it all end? Answer, you lose, we win, whatever you do, whatever you say!
We had hoped you had fcuked off. What a disappointment for us all.
still you never know, stranger things have happend .
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Creator oh lord you might have thought that,but I also thought you would have or at least,be a man of your word.But I'm not surprised.You fit the stereotype.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0139 Yuleno
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0.But I'm not surprised.You fit the stereotype. Yes, I fit the stereotype of someone who cannot let the absolute drivel that the likes of you spout.
You are most certainly a paid blogger. Despicable, just like the rest of the paid by CFK no-hopers.
Chris,
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paid blogger is probably the only work that he can get!
140#&141#
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be very proud of yourselves.Your reliance on assumptions as factual information,and therefore facts are a wonderfully simple way of operating.You can produce facts by this magical method,and at random.
I will continue to try to be faithful to reality myself.
142 Yuleno
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 02I will continue to try to be faithful to reality myself.2
THE NEXT TIME WILL BE YOUR FIRST.
Very reactionary
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One cannot be faithful to something that is wrong and unfaithful,.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a brilliant speech, what a winning combination of erudition, charisma, humour and substance =) And much to learn from for our own leaders in Britain in how she denounces the invasion and offers an acurate and incisive analysis of what drove the junta, now imprisoned by the Kirchners, to launch it - if only we could face up to our recent past so courageously and jail Blair for his much grander scale aggresive war in Iraq. Sadly none of our top politicians, with the exception of George Galloway who was carved out and screwed over by the political class for saying at the time what everyone now knows about Iraq, have even the oratorical skill let alone the politics to make such an eloquent discourse.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe, but George Galloway wants us to “dialogue” with Argentina & we don't want to.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dialogue”to Argentina is like “negotiate”, a time frame for complete surrender & hand over of the lslands to them.
George Galloway, who knows this, is then highly suspect in our eyes.
146 British_Kirchnerist
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you adore mentally ill women and narcissistic men then eh?
Unlike CFK, I suggest you face the facts:
Before the invasion Argentina was in dialogue with the then government about the Falklands (there are no Malvinas);
Then they invaded, many lives were lost and the Islanders treated abominably;
The invaders were repulsed and ran off to Argentina where they lost power (not to your fabled Kirchners);
Since then the Argies have threatened the lives and livelyhood of the Islanders.
AND THE LIKES OF YOU WONDER WHY THESE PEACEFUL PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM HAVE 9 GENERATIONS ON THE ISLAND DO NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS DESPOTIC GOVERNMENT?
ARE YOU MAD / DELUSIONAL AS WELL?
OR ARE YOU AN ARGIE?
I'm not an Argentine I'm British as I say and love Britain and will actually be voting to keep it together at the Scottish independence referendum, I just think our politicians and banksters have sold us short. I won't be saying things as unhinged as the things you say about Argentina, its funny you see every demo even against right wing provincial governments as heralding the fall of Cristina while painting a rosy picture of the UK where theres been massive riots, huge scandals in politics, policing, banking journalism etc and the trashing of the governing party headquarters by students all in the last couple of years, but because I'm not mad or delusional I wont go on to say Cameron will soon be running for his life! And as for this smear that Cristina is mentally ill, anyone serious could see this is untrue from the lucidity of the speech above, its a desperate lie.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not so much a lie 149# as the rantings of an unfortunate example of colonial minded British.Not all British of course,but the gung-ho aggressive,and arrogant type who know what they know,and it's enough for them
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0149 British_Kirchnerist
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really believe CFK writes her own speeches? Don't be stupid.
So you are a Scott then? Only the Scotts will vote FOR keeping the union, they need our money.
You obviously have not been reading my posts, or you would not say the drivel that you have, unless you are like Yuleno, a CFK paid activist.
Hint: try to disguise the obvious Latino English by using paragraphs and sentences with less than 30 words in them.
BRAEDON.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't be more missinformed, firstly, the convention settlement, signed betwen the u. k. and argentina doesn't have anything to do with the malvinas-falkland cause, the true reason of it, was the rasing of the blockade, in fact in the interchanges of notes betwen 1884 and 1888, none of the two nations mentions that convention, it means that if you interpret that it was a renounce or a drop of the argentine claim, it's just a very wrong interpretation, i read all those notes for my investigation, i can send my survey to you if you want, some british authors use that convention as drop of our claim, but it's false. Beside, the u. k didn't include the dispute for the islands in the proposal of 1947, which was rejected by our government. On the other hand, it doesn't have any sense to invoke that convention, because in 1968 and in 1980, the british governments tried to persuade the islanders, in order to achieve that they accept to negotiate a peacefull solution, it shows that the case presents strong and weak aspects for both countries, the analysis of the question must be ample, and not partial, obviously the truth never is absolut, and the history is always open to diferent interpretations, but unless we can avoid to omit important issues.
If the u. k. was so sure of it's rights in 1884, surelly it would have won the case, if it accepted to discuss the question in an arbitration.
Beside, if there is a conflict, the u. n/icj mandates have full priority like you argue in your comment, then ¿why the u. k rejects to respect the resolutions, and find a fair solution?, ¿why none of the two nations proposes now to take the dispute to the court?, it should make you think that both are not sure that they can win the case, on the other hand, the claim for our territorial integrity was invoked in planty of oportunities before the u. n. and surelly it was the reason why arg suggested the u. k to take the question to the arbitration, you are very missinformed.
Sadly none of our top politicians, with the exception of George Galloway
Feb 04th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interesting, a scot who calls george galloway a top politician,
and thinks CFK is great, still wants a united kingdom, but would like the islanders , not to be,
if you are not a mole, then im not here .
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