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Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country? Yes, but…
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond said his planned referendum on independence will ask a simple question on whether the country should go it alone, though he didn’t rule out a third option of more power within the UK Read full article
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Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland Republic
Scotland. Impoverished. No useful industries. No UK defence contracts. No defences. No UK-sourced utilities. No gas. No oil. No entry into UK. Not a EU member. Not a UN member. Sky-high compensation payments required. No equipment in schools or hospitals. Scots living in the UK repatriated. UK companies not permitted to trade with or provide services to Scotland.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you may be overstating the downsides a bit there conqueror - but I doubt that the Scots will vote to become an independent nation anyway.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm pretty sure the debates will revolve around fear - and fear of the unknown is a strong motivating factor. I think that losing the UK currency and still having to repay their share of the national debt will be the deal breaker.
A simple yes or no vote to stay or go suits me, none of this more power for Holyrood bollox
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alex can you say something of value rather than the repetitive rubbish you write?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor England, not even the countries stuck to them by nature want to be part of this falling empire(once upon a time)
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you want to be part of the “English Falklands” and we wont let you
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Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Going to Turks and Caicos in May. Thats an UK territory too just like the Falklands! Both are sticking with the UK!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pacific Power
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FncCsbUHXgg&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=149&feature=plpp_video
@3 Are you sure? Name me 10 Scottish industries that will exist once Scotland is no longer part of the UK. Forget Scotch. The UK government has already said that there will be no UK defence contracts for an independent Scotland. All UK defence forces, their equipment and their bases will be removed or destroyed. Salmond doesn't want the UK nuclear deterrent based in Scotland. That means removal of the Vanguard-class submarines and all their support facilities. You need to look at a large-scale map with gas and oil platforms marked. Most platforms are outside territorial waters. Also the principle of demarcation of adjoining territorial waters means that the marine boundary continues in the same direction as the land boundary. In the case of the UK and Scotland, it means that the boundary continues to the north-east. Or perhaps the north-north-east. Scotland would have to apply to become an EU member. EU membership requires agreement of all existing members. If the UK objects, Scotland can't get in. Independent countries require their own passports. As a non-EU country, Scots would require visas to enter the UK. If UK constantly voted against Scottish UN membership based on method of achieving breakaway? It would be stupid on the part of the UK government and UK companies to leave equipment behind when it could be used in England, Northern Ireland or Wales. Especially if the UK has paid for it. Compensation for appropriated buildings and land is standard. Repatriation? Why would we leave potential spies for a hostile country in ours? I don't think I've missed much and those items would follow the pattern. Two considerations. The UK government will hang on to everything it wants and demand compensation for everything else. The English people, who pay for most of Scotland's “goodies”, will demand that the government takes a hard line. Will Scotland have any “industries” except whisky, haggis and crofting? Who cares? 300 years of scrounging might soon be over!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2pPSAAFSbk&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=88&feature=plpp_video
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Culture from Brazil and our father Portugal!
Idlehands:
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As much as i often dislike his warmongering attitude , he has a point.
Alex's Future view of scotland being debt free is reliant on how scotland works at the moment. You take away those expensive defense contracts and add the fact that they will need to fund a armed force for themselves, it shows why mr alex shys away from answering such questions.
In addition, if Salmond wishes to use RBS as his Sovereign Bank, he can take on the full financial debt they ran up that the rest of the UK Taxpayers paid for during the banking crisis, on top of a fair share of the UK Debt.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus he can repay the British Taxpayers money he's used to set up a network of 'Scottish Interests' departments in British Embassy's around the World, ready for his grand exit from the Union, plus he can find his own embassy Buildings too, we don't take lodgers (I can't believe the cheeky bastard has got away with using British Taxpayers money to promote a break up of the Union, what a cunt).
It would also be hands off the GBP Sterling too, we're not sharing our stability and economic well being through our currency with an Independent Scotland reaping the benefits, he can print his own money and call it the Scottish Groat, he'll need to if he wants to join the EU and the Euro, they might as well get used to mickey mouse names for mickey mouse currencies; stand on your own two feet I say.
He can keep North Sea Oil within Scotland's newly drawn UNCLOS Boundaries, he'll need it, there's fuck all else worth selling in Scotland, apart from Whiskey.
Just practising how I'll react if Scotland became Independent, it'll never happen.
Scotland are celtic people, not saxon! Scotland will be free. And our market in south will go help. Long live to brothers in highlands!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same brothers who took Mount Tumbledown eh?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Barbarians no more, Never more “hastings” in 1066. No more german imperialism! WE ARE ONE!!!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 14 'He can keep North Sea Oil within Scotland's newly drawn UNCLOS Boundaries, '
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There won't be much of that left when Orkney and Shetland foxtrot oscar back to Norway...........
Good on you Mr Alex Salmond, for a Scotland Independent!!!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=3HO9-TZh8tA
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are Catholics!
We are Christians!
We expect impatiently England will be free from UK first.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasileiro , piss of twat
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwisarg same as,
she wont go anywhere, and if, and thats a big if, the scots vote for it, then they will get exacly what they deserve,
salmon is a lier and a fool, and anti british,
he does not want scots to be ruled by an elected goverment 600 miles away,
but is quite willing [but wont tell the truth] to let the scots be ruled, by an un-elected goverment, 1,000 miles away in europe,
he insults his own people, who should have been made to play ball from day one, insted of 300 years of take, and as soon as we hit the bad times, he want to jump ship,
[scotland] if you go, the union will be no more, you cannot ever come back as scottish,, ]
Poor old conqueror is in aright old tizzy with the idea of Scotland going.He says no more defence contracts etc.But what defence The Irish left Ninety years ago the Scots now.Who will have left to fight the English ha ha ha ha they wouldnt fight their way out of a.paper bag.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Scots will not go, and salmon will be sleeping with the fishes .
Jan 27th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0paper bag.
paper wraps stone .
I must admit that a handful of regular posters (I will not mention names), whom I believed made usage of jingoist “online personas” mostly as an effective yet hackneyed debating strategy in order to discomfit or rile Argentines, seem to be in fact of a nationalist tendency at a more fundamental level. I have read them making use of the same threadbare, contumelious language in news stories about Gibraltar, in those regarding the position of other South American countries on the Falklands, and now in this article about Scotland.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Far from habile luminaries buttressing the resplendent descriptions they provide of their nation and society by comporting in a manner commensurate to such depictions, I am forced to suggest a posteriori, that in fact they evince the opposite of strength with such behavior: one of individuals with deep-seeded insecurities which at the slightest perception of threat or real affront resort to apodictic argument, or otherwise merely to derogate themselves—and that which they bruit about along with them—by settling for petty insults and ethnic epithets.
And in the end, it is an underwhelming way of trying to prove what one says is the way things are.
@23 What's a “tizzy”? Some new sort of argie narcotic? Or what an argie gets when he bends over?
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I concerned if Scotland leaves the UK? I am not. The benefits to the rest of the UK, particularly England, are incalculable. You see, dog's breath, the United Kingdom, unlike argieland and the fish king's Scotland, lives in the real world. And what, dog fart, was the result of Ireland leaving the UK? Thousands of its citizens left their country for World War 2 to join the British forces or work in British factories. Whilst argies carried on in their usual cowardly way. And even gave refuge to argie war criminals. Presumably so that they could learn nazi methods. And how well argies use nazi methods. Including “The Big Lie”.
Regarding Scotland, Salmond's approach is turning more and more English to be anti-Scottish. Hard to believe that the numbnuts actually believes that 5 million Scots are going to come out ahead of 52 million English. Perhaps he should send people running around the world spouting crap like CFK does? Perhaps Salmond should note how far CFK's “grand plan” has got her?
Almost every day Salmond is made to look more foolish. His latest? Free trade, a common currency and a social contract. Except none of those are possible. No free trade because Scotland is not an EU member and will take at least 2 years to become one even if the UK doesn't object. No common currency, unless he wants his economic policies set by England. No social contract because we're not interested. Oh, and he wants to take the Scottish regiments. But he can't do that because they are regiments of the British Army. He could have the individual soldiers, but no equipment. No tanks, no AFVs, no helicopters, no weapons, no ammunition, no uniforms, no underpants, no socks, no boots.
And nothing is what CFK is going to get. Except for two fingers!
Long live the free Falkland Islands!
Only someone pretending crass intellect would suggest Argentina not joining WWII was a cowardly act.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget the fact that Argentina was as far removed from WWII battlefields as geographically possible, forget the fact that unlike South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, etc, Argentina was not part of any Commonwealth and thus required to militarily succor anyone; forget the fact that neither the allies nor the axis presented Argentina with any tangible benefit whatsoever in joining such an emprise...
I know its a shock, but nations are driven by self-interest. None which existed for Argentina to become extricated in a World War.
27 tobias
Jan 27th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, Argentina after the war took many of the Nazi war criminals in, why? They had all the stolen loot from their criminal conquests of other countries.
A bit like now if CFK and her minions have their way over the Falklands (there are no Malvinas). History repeating itself don't you think?
Yes, as Argentina was settled by approximately 150k deracinated Jews also... Yawn with your argument Chris, they are beyond hackneyed and induce me to oscitancy—yawn, again. :)
Jan 27th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have rebutted them a trillion times in the past in other arenas of discussion: mentioning Argentina and the absconding Nazis, ignoring it is the 4th largest Jewish nation ex-Israel; mentioning Argentina and her alacrity to ensconce absquatulating Nazis, ignoring the UK and US red-carpet welcoming to Nazis who openly furthered your science... These talking points are a touchstone of people who have no intention of ever being remotely towards Argentina. So I already know I am wasting my fingertips in continuing my stricture.
And also a typical way of circumventing my original comment of Argentina and WWII itself, as your reply merely shoehorned post-war realities which do not disprove what I expressed.
(25) Tobias
Jan 29th, 2012 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Far from habile luminaries buttressing the resplendent descriptions they provide of their nation and society by comporting in a manner commensurate to such depictions, I am forced to suggest a posteriori, that in fact they evince the opposite of strength with such behavior: one of individuals with deep-seeded insecurities which at the slightest perception of threat or real affront resort to apodictic argument, or otherwise merely to derogate themselves—and that which they bruit about along with them—by settling for petty insults and ethnic epithets.”
I say:
What the hell are you talking about? ;-))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pxeRT8pcTo
“Only someone pretending crass intellect would suggest Argentina not joining WWII was a cowardly act.”
Jan 29th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would agree with that. The cowardly act was declaring war just as the war was won.
And then claim victory like every one else .
Jan 29th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Jan 31st, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have an astute observation. I don't necessarily agree, but it is well-conveived. Points to you.
Argentina declaration of war was clearly symbolic, and it was done because at the time it served her interests. What a shock, again, that countries act out of self-interest, and many times such decisions carry as a consequence an air of cowardice.
Neither Argentina nor your country, whichever it is, is free from such instances in its history.
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