MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Contruction of St Helena airport begins next May, should be ready in 48 months
The Argentina press announced on Sunday the construction of an airport in the middle of the Atlantic Island of St Helena, a British Overseas Territory and which would become a crucial hopping point for the Falklands/UK air bridge. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesso in other words, argentina's ONE blackmail chip of blockading flights from chile, will in 48 months be utterly useless
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0once again, argentina has surpassed all expectations in how powerless one nation can be
and im guessing in the next week argentina will be whining that this is also an act of “imperialist aggression”, while screaming for pity from it's more powerful neighbors like a little bitch
That's good news for St Helena and good news for the Falklands. I can't wait to be one of the first people to land on the new runway. The only slight shame will be saying goodbye to the RMS.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0How are the flights to Chile a blackmail chip? Can't airplanes reach the Falklands from the UK, or South Africa right now? Of course they can.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0They will just have no access to South America by air, I guess.
@ Las Malvinas son Argentinas: You might be stoked with a new airport and can wait to get on a plane but what about your average British tax payer? Would he be as excited about you about having an airport in the middle of f*** nowhere just for 3000 tools? Think about the context of European recession and if you just so happen to have two neurons, and they are not in conflict with each other, then you should reach a sensible answer.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a British - paying more than the average -tax payer, I am content that this is money well spent.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0In some ways it will be a shame for St Helena to lose its splendid isolation.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was an Ideal location for Britain to detain assorted facists and despots. How's old Turkey Neck getting on?
Was that an operation or a head transplant? If the latter,you would have thought they would have chosen a better looking one.
@6,
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, tourism will ruin the lsland.
l've seen beautiful places in the world, then you go back, later & its been overun & spoilt by tourists.
They call it progress???
@4Helber,
No they are not. You are grossly mistaken.
Just thought it best that you know the truth.
By your postings,you come across as the biggest tool on this forum, ducks.
easy there Isolde! No harm meant. Just voicing my opinion but no harm best. Point taken that tool was not the happiest of choices.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Jan 30th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is the difference between Britain and argentina. argentines like you would gladly allow thousands of your countrymen to suffer just for your deluded worldview.
however, Britons have zero desire or reason to abandon the islanders to a crumbling, corrupt, and worthless third world nation with a long history of slaughtering those who defy their delusions, and are more than willing for a tiny percentage of the military budget to go to defending them.
this is why those like you were so happy to see nearly the entire native population exterminated and replaced with white Europeans, why you allowed thousands of innocents butchered by your government, under the pretense they were communists, and of course so happy to try and violently subjugate a peaceful island community, all for your pathetically inflated ego.
keep harping Braedon!
Jan 30th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0how can you make all those accusations against me if you don't even know me? In other words, how do you know that I was “happy to see nearly the entire native population exterminated and replaced with white Europeans? How do you know that I ”allowed thousands of innocents butchered by your government”?
Seriously *roll eyes*!
@10
Jan 30th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0you played out the same tired piece of nationalist propaganda, and i merely followed up on the obvious implications of it, and then compared these implications with your history and made an even more obvious link.
and given the fact that despite these sickening crimes, and the current nightmarish treatment of native argentines, you spend your time whining about how argentina is really the “victim” for being unable to do the same to the Falkland islanders, i think it is fair to say you don't give a damn about the fact your country still explicitly celebrates such atrocities
@4 Who are these “3,000 tools”? According to my research St Helena has a population of around 4,255 whilst the Falklands has a population of around 3,140. That makes 7,395. Then, of course, there's the additional population of Tristan da Cunha, adding a few more. And, as a British taxpayer, I am more than happy to see my taxes spent on this airport. Good to see that this one-time provisioning station for the British West African Squadron, engaged in the prevention of slavery to South America, is being brought up to date.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think we can look forward to a profitable relationship between St. Helena and the Falklands.
Not to put a dampener on it, but it's 63 months folks!
Jan 30th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that nowadays more than 5 years is another lifetime. Hopefully CFK et al will be gone from Argentina and cooler heads will prevail.
The Falklands 'issue' (there are no Malvinas) may be a thing of the past by then. I really hope so for everyone's sake.
4 Helber Galarga------ As a tax payer in the UK I don't mind one bit if we tax payers pay over £200,000,000 to help our friends in the Falkland's I think it’s well worth the cost, bet you wish your country could find £201.5 million to spend on helping your people. However I bet your country can only lick its lips at £201.5 million, not bad is it for a country that some Argentine bloggers say is broke, I bet you wish your country were as affluent as us.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK says :
Jan 30th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Construction of St.Helena airport begins in next May , should be ready in 48 months........
I say :
UK , you are useless member of UN and has never acted alone there except Rhodesia problem..can not do alone...
Here is the evidence..
Place :UN Security Council...
Malvinas Question ......
Date of Vote : 4 June 1982
Vetoing Member States : UK , USA
Yes :9 .....Veto : 2 ( UK--USA)....Abstain : 4
S.C Official Record : S/PV 2373 para 39
Draft Text No : S/15156/Rev.2
As a tax payer in the UK I don't mind one bit if we tax payers pay over £200,000,000 to help our friends in the Falkland's I think it’s well worth the cost, bet you wish your country could find £201.5 million to spend on helping your people. However I bet your country can only lick its lips at £201.5 million, not bad is it for a country that some Argentine bloggers say is broke, I bet you wish your country were as affluent as us.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? You can start by helping the 3 million unemployed in uk.
There are many in uk,even in the conservative party that want to get rid of that nuisance of Malvinas...In the '80 the uk wanted to give them in a lease....Talking about stupidity...
And Argentina has much more than 300 million .....
Mind you,uk public deficit is over 1 trillion pounds.Foreign debt is 9 trillion
And the Argentina bloggers are not the only one saying that....People that knows much more in economics than you said so..That is the reality...
Mind you,uk public deficit is over 1 trillion pounds.Foreign debt is 9 trillion
Jan 30th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if all goes tits up, we can do what the argies do best, give up :-))))))
16 Malvinero1 More lies, or can't you read English for all the hate haze of the Brits?
Jan 30th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“BBC 18 Jan 2012 – UK unemployment rose by 118000 in the three months to November to 2.69 million.”
Spanish unemployment 5M+ (Government stats)
Argentina unemployment: WTF knows? You cannot find a believable figure anywhere mainly due to the 'black economy'. It's supposed to be 7.3%! Of what, 40M? If so that's 2.92M. But that would include ALL the population of any age, so clearly it cannot be that. I cannot find out, does ANYBODY have a truthful figure? Surely someone in Argentina can tell the truth!
Here in the US, the unemployment is 8.4% , but it doesn't count the people that no longer are looking for jobs. Obviously that number is inaccurate ? so in terms of “cooking the numbers” , everybody is lying. Just a thought
Jan 30th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look cris: I live in Argentina.And Argentina is BOOMING!
Jan 30th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the reality.
How do you measure an economic success,that if I called for a plumber I have to wait 1 month? An electrician 1 month?
I do not need any stats,I live here.
So do not tell me what the government is telling me...
Are you brits any time growing up??
Plus I do not hate the brits.
I just dislike your brit stupidity!Do you know the RAF 164 squadron in WWII,cris??
What kind of badly managed country has to wait a month for a tradesman to turn up? Are they on strike? Maybe some of those eternal students - really how can it take seven or eight years to get a basic degree? - train for a useful trade. Maybe CFKC could use all that money from the boom to pay for training the hoards that live in the villas and live off welfare?
Jan 30th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having to wait so long for basic service is not the sign of a BOOM but of a badly managed workforce.
Excellent news... I bet CFK's blood pressure is sky high after hearing this..
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Malvinero1
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have some Argie friends that live in ba, who I speak to fairly regularly.
I must say they tell a very different story, in fact they are looking for any job they can get outside Argentina, having been back there for 15 years.
I usually get a plumber in the same day, often Polish.
If they start pumping oil in the Falklands the airport may be built quicker than projected. With SA closed off the supply line for the development will go via St Helena.
A good investment for the Brits as it will be needed when S Georgia/S Sandwich Island are developed, not to mention the seabed inbetween.
20. There are so many VERIFIABLE stats that say Argentina is not booming. Far from it.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Countries that are booming;
Don't have U$30BILLION flee from the country in 1 year
Don't have a depreciating currency
Don't have 30% inflation
Don't have restrictions on capital leaving the country
etc etc etc
Argentina is more like Venezuela than it is like Brazil. And nobody is saying Venezuela is doing well are they?
If this airport is to be built, the UK better hurry. Soon they won't have access to Scottish oil/money.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they start pumping oil in the Falklands the airport may be built quicker than projected. With SA closed off the supply line for the development will go via St Helena.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oil?/ What oil????If there is any you will need the support from continental Argentina......
Argentina is more like Venezuela than it is like Brazil. And nobody is saying Venezuela is doing well are they?
Still Argentina is booming.....DO not hear complain from the people....
ANd yes we have to wait 1 month from a plumber,because construction is booming....
SG SS...Just think on uk...uk Wanted to get rid of MAlvinas in the'80..just ask any Malvinenses....Whom you want to fool guys....
So friend in Argentina looking for jobs........Strange that between 30-40 Spanish people come to Argentina everyday to look to settle here....
And that is the truth elaine....
@26 Malvinero1
Jan 30th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oil?/ What oil????If there is any you will need the support from continental Argentina......
I am afraid you are completely wrong, they need nothing from contintal Argentina, Argentina has made very sure of that. If there is an economic boom down there it will completely miss Argentina,
CFK has made very sure of that.
I do not speak from any personal experience about the economic situation in Argentina, I just tell you what I hear.
25 EC
Jan 30th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It costs every man, woman and child in ENGLAND (per capita) £2000 (3,140 USD) EACH to subsidise Scotland.
The English also pay out money to the Welsh. Scotland only has inshore oil and that is running out. They have no money. If they decide to 'go it alone' then good riddance. Apart from Fish Face and the Old Hag they are not that stupid, unfortunately.
Once again the kids throw their toys from the pram, [non-com]
Jan 30th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But one wonders if they really understand the theory of “stepping stones “
But I will not tell, as for the UN 199 odd members, and most have played their part,
To accuse Britain of complacency is rather odd job is it not, we have played our role in the UN as others have done, including Argentina, and as a matter of fact, today argentine and British troops are patrolling together under British direction on the island of Cyprus, under a UN mandate,
Great Britain will be the only G8 country to increase overseas aid, as promised, and this year will reach 8.7% , great Britain, although not perfect by any means, stands alone and trustworthy,
She helps where she can, and she tries her best, sadly you can’t please all of the people all of the time,
As for CFK, as she seems to complain about everything British lately, especially what happens on British soil . Perhaps she would like to address the British parliament at Westminster,
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Helber Galarga
Jan 30th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt if it is any of your business but my answer may be read by someone whose business it is. Firstly, I am an above average UK tax payer but I also declare that I am a Falkland Islander.
The airport on St Helena will not be long enough to make it possible for the average long-haul aircraft to make the flight between the two islands. The conclusions that the writer of this article have jumped to about flights between the islands are therefore simply wrong.
I am happy for the St Helenians because they will have a real chance to grow their economy by attracting new money which will be spent on tourism and all of its ancillary services. This growth potential will also attract many of their qualified and skilled workers back from the UK, Germany and the Falklands, among other places where they have had to work for years, often with no choice but to leave their family members behind on St Helena.
I am happy for the Falkland Islanders because the St Helena and the Falkland Islands communities have a very close relationship and many Saints and Falkland Islanders are married to each other. Quite simply, the knock on effect will be felt. Our prosperous economies will compliment each other and British interests in the South Atlantic will be stronger than ever. There'll be two way opportunities for people from both communities.
29 briton
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'As for CFK, as she seems to complain about everything British lately, especially what happens on British soil . Perhaps she would like to address the British parliament at Westminster,'
Stunning idea and she would have a polite audience for once, until she got home.
Just imagine if she had a Royal Reception. One genuine Queen meets a plastic one. :o)
ha ha, very good chrisR .
Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just imagine if she had a Royal Reception. One genuine Queen meets a plastic one. :o)32 briton (#)
Jan 31st, 2012 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jan 30th, 2012 - 09:47 pm
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ha ha, very good chrisR .
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH..
The chimp laugh! Miracle!
cris: You did not answer about the RAF 164 squadron in WWII....
Yes, Malvinero1, what about 164 squadron?
Jan 31st, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo-Argentines who volunteered to fight for the land of their ancestors.
Very welcome as were, Poles, Czechs. French, Belgian, Dutch, Norwegian, Australian, Canadian, American, New Zealand, South African, Rhodesian, even German Jewish pilots.
We salute them all.
Sorry if l missed anyone!
Yes, Malvinero1, what about 164 squadron?
Jan 31st, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo-Argentines who volunteered to fight for the land of their ancestors.
Coming from you isolde is comforting.You are rigth,next time we are going to be against the brits...They are not worth it!
am afraid you are completely wrong, they need nothing from contintal Argentina, Argentina has made very sure of that. If there is an economic boom down there it will completely miss Argentina
IT is obvoiuis you understand nothing about the oil business.Just ask any one-like I do-That is realted with that bussiness.
BTW,Exxon and Shell drilled in the '70,no important oil deposit.
Do you know why no important oil company is not drilling in Malvinas???
islode: I like you...
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Jan 31st, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
British direction on the island of Cyprus under the UN mandate.........
I say :
Place : UN Security Council... 31 July 1974
Problem : Situation in Cyprus
Votes : Yes 22 ...Vetos 2 (USSR ...UK) ...Abstain 1 (China)
S.C Official Record : S/PV 1788 para 237
Draft Text No : S/11400 Rev 1
Cyprus has worked out ........ soooo well !
Jan 31st, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 035. So since they looked in the 70s for oil there isn't any? Do you not take into account 40 years of new technology? Laptops didn't even exist then! Fracking didn't exist...Just because you don't have current technology in your horrible country doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Plus Rockhopper has already discovered enough oil reserves to make it profitable to extract. You are way behind the times and your ignorance is astounding!
Jan 31st, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(37)
Jan 31st, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Somethings have worked out.............
I say :
The composition of UN Security Council reflects the world as it was in 1945,rather than today.There is no any longer logical reason for UK
to be a permanent member instead of countries with stronger economies
like Germany or Japan or emerging powers India or Brasil..!.........
Apologies for my earlier statement regarding the contribution of individual Argentine citizens in WW2
Jan 31st, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0vast majority were Anglo-Argentines who retained a loyalty to the Britain and hated the Nazis.
Anyway found this article
“Some veterans who returned kept quiet because of the political atmosphere under then ruler Juan Peron. Although Argentina declared war on the Nazis in March 1945, it was no secret that some in the government were pro-German”
“After the war many senior Nazis escaped to Argentina, where they were openly welcomed, and the atmosphere made it hard for ex-RAF pilots to talk openly about fighting for the Allies.”
“The pilots didn't feel comfortable,”
So appreciation to those individual Anglo Argentinians who fought for the Allied cause and regret that their so called Country then turned its back on them.
Just like, seemingly, most of the Argie bloggers who hate the UK and love the Peronista government (or is it an administration?) of CFK.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is, however, a very significant section of Argentino society who do not hate the UK and nor do they like CFK.
Mind you, the way it is going, it will be a dictatorship soon. Sad.
Argentina sends troops to Cyprus for peace mission
Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 02011-02-19 10:34:08
BUENOS AIRES, Feb. 18 (Xinhua) -- The Argentine government Friday sent a contingent of peacekeepers to Cyprus as part of the United Nations (UN) peace mission in that Mediterranean island.
The Argentine Joint Staff of the Armed Forces said Friday that the contingent is formed by 214 soldiers, 158 from the Army, 51 from the Navy and five from the Air Force.
The contingent also includes 14 Chilean troops, 14 Paraguayan and one army chaplain.
The Argentine troops will stay in Cyprus for six months.
Argentina started to contribute troops to the UN peacekeeping mission in Cyprus in 1993, which was created by the world body in 1964 to keep peace between the Greek-Cypriot community and the Turkish-Cypriot community there.
[sorry think] I was a bit confused by you reply,
Argentina does have troops there now,
With other s/a troops.
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Just like, seemingly, most of the Argie bloggers who hate the UK and love the Peronista government (or is it an administration?) of CFK.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is, however, a very significant section of Argentino society who do not hate the UK and nor do they like CFK
Well just look at the past ...uk signed the treaty of commerce and friendship with Argentina 1825...1833..1840..1982....
Not difficult to figure out why the Argentines does not like the brits.....
uk mADE it...not argentina's fault..we never attacked the uk.....
If you are dumb enough not to see it....
Military necessity. Period.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
@43 Malvinero1
Jan 31st, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Argentina (UP at the time) did attack British territory.
In 1832 they sent a military govenor replete with troops and warship to occupy the British territory of the Falkland Islands.
Also you may recall 1982, same again, and same result.
Most of the problems of Cyprus also Siri Lanka come from drawing political boundaries on the basis of geography.
Just because they are ajacent or even near by does not mean they belong together.
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Jan 31st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Xinhua News .....With other s/a troops ..............
I say :
Almost all UN member countries have Troops and other Personal contributions to Peacekeeping operations in needed everywhere..except ..Albania..Congo..Macedonia..Gabon..GineaBissau..Iceland..Iran..Israel..Kazakhstan..Libya..Vanuatu.
In the year of 2011 ;
Argentina has 1016 military personals
UK has 281 military personals
US has 123 military personals
Russia has 232 military personals
China has 1943 military personals
France has 1540 military personals
42 briton (#)----The Argentine government Friday sent a contingent of peacekeepers to Cyprus as part of the United Nations (UN) peace mission in that Mediterranean island.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Joint Staff of the Armed Forces said Friday that the contingent is formed by 214 soldiers, 158 from the Army, 51 from the Navy and five from the Air Force.
They immediately claimed the Island of Cyprus as belonging to Argentina.
16 Malvinero1
Jan 31st, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Really? You can start by helping the 3 million unemployed in uk.”
Less than the Argentine unemployed then?
I am shocked, shocked enough to stultify my senses, to pore over this commentary section and read from partisan 100% pro-Malvinas argentine contributors that Argentina's economy is booming flawlessly, and in a better financial position then the United Kingdom, surprise surprise! ;)
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm also astounded to see the British contributors state Argentina's economy is nothing short than North Korea light, thanks in no small part to their first-hand eyewitness sources: their multitudinous “friends” inside Argentina. :)
I must stress, this last observation deserves particular highlight: Isn't it such an amazing twist of kismet—destiny—, that so many of the British posters on this site who rail, vituperate, denigrate, and loathe Argentines (and would undoubtedly eschew any personal associations, right?), just happen to be so hapless to have acquainted so many of them (they all live in “BA”), and seemingly must put up with them reporting all their tragic misfortunes?
The truth, bluntly stated, is the argentine posters are typing trite propaganda in order to nettle and discomfit the “opposition”. And the British posters are at best deliberately confabulating (if they are verily truthful about those “friends” of theirs and their anecdotes), or at worst utilizing the infamous, baleful cliché “some of my best friends are Jewr..err..argentines”, and reifying friendships with argentines in order to give a semblance of credence to their accounts...
:)
@49
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is your problem tobias, and is why i have taken such issue with you. you pretend that both sides are equal in this argument and that “only compromise and talking” will solve anything, despite the issue being painfully clear for all those not so deluded by nationalism.
there is no equality between Britain and argentina here, argentina's argument is that it has the right to subjugate, disenfranchise and suppress thousands of innocent people for no reason other than nationalist dogma which is both demonstrably fraudulent, and utterly hypocritical. The British argument is argentina has no right to do so.
the British side is not demanding that argentines be made to suffer, nor that they be affected in the slightest, it is merely demanding that basic international law and basic human decency be upheld in this situation.
the fact that you not only decide that both these arguments are equal, but that you take more issue with people on the British side being rude, and even equate British insults with the persecution of Jews during WW2 shows how out of touch you really are.
If you want to be taken seriously then spend less time complaining about British people being mean, and more time explaining how argentina's demand for “lebensraum” is at all equal with basic law and decency
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Feb 01st, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Isn't it such an amazing twist of kismet-destiny-.....................
I say :
The English posters denigrating of Argentines are partially right away
but just partially and for all I track them they can not penetrate into the basic points where the unfortunate Argentina were used as a tool what for.....
I see that the Institution which lives in Switzerland thinks and acts very strategical against interlocutors who can not see and understand these steps...I think “” the financial discipline“” should be located to arrive more balanced permanent interrelations......!.................
Braedon, I have made my position about the Falklands expressly clear: people come first (including self-determination). If this eludes you, tough luck. However, I have not given both sides equal standing in terms of the Falklands. Argentina attacked and invaded; that reality is irrefragable. It signifies the United Kingdom has the rights to deploy assets as it wishes, as I mentioned in the other news story of the Dauntless.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The comments in this section are in large measure not about the actual issue at hand, but about the economies of nations. My observation stands: quite often when I read “opposing” viewpoints (opposing in the sense they come from contributors who demonstrated open hostility to Argentina in other threads), of Argentina's economy, politics, social situation, culture, the contributor's comment just happens to have the felicitious cachet of “one of my best friends in BA” said it. :)
It must be the fourth or fifth time I have read this strategy, from different posters. It simply cannot be taken seriously, it is feebly transparent.
@tobias
Feb 01st, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So despite “supporting” basic human rights and opposing the claims of your countrymen, you spend your time here moaning that the British are being too mean when dealing with argentines.
the fact that so many British posters are expressing their contempt towards argentina and argentines is because the government (soon to be dictatorship) you elected have spent the past 30 years insulting both them, and the basic human status of the islanders. this contempt is thus somewhat justified.
argentines however have been hurling insults at Britain non stop for zero reason and with zero provocation other than their government telling them to be outraged.
and despite this, you says that the British posters are like Nazis because they hold argentina in contempt for it's words and actions.
as i said before, if you are more offended by harsh words than by explicit attacks on basic human rights, decency and dignity, then you have a deeply flawed set of priorities
I am not issuing strictures on British posters vituperating and deriding Argentina. If that really was my objective, by now I should have commented in so many more threads, shouldn’t have I?
Feb 01st, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if you look at the most replied articles, I am virtually nowhere to be found. And they are replete with quite nasty opinion and commentary.
So for the most part, you can insult all you want, what I will always make a point of exposing are two things: outright lack of facts (by mendaciousness, confabulations, or outright lies), AND hypocrisy.
If the denigrations and humiliations are buttressed with factual statements (and you do have ammunition with Argentina :) ), I won't storm in high dudgeon to the conversation. It may show a paucity of noetic pursuit on the part of the contributor, but as long as they are truthful or fair, he/she can make her observations as pert and flippant as she wants.
The recurring line “my good friend in BA”, which I have read from FOUR foreign posters who otherwise can't stand Argentina's guts in order to tog up their assertions, is fascinating and tragic at the same time you must admit. Or maybe, they are uttering glib fibs. I tend to subscribe to the latter, honestly said.
54 tobias
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'I am not issuing strictures on British posters vituperating and deriding Argentina.' Then you go on to do exactly that.
I do have a very good Argentino friend and he and his extended family live next door to me during the holiday season: he normally lives in BA.
Unlike a lot of Argies on here I do not lie (except when my wife asks me how she looks in something :o) ). In fact my memory is so poor for trivia that if I told a lie I would immediately forget what I had said.
Telling the truth is so much easier. Perhaps you should try it sometime.
And the only guts I cannot stand are the infantileArgie bloggers and the CFK 'administration'. I have great sympathy for the general Argentine people.
Chris
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have made your views of the “Argentine” people clear.
You have problems with reading comprehension: I criticize British posters who make use of innacuracies. Again, I invite you to read this websites's most replied to articles, which you know are full of spite from both sides. If they are generally truthful, I won't get involved even when I admit they nettle.
Both sides lie: I stated this in my original remark which you call a lie (the only truth to you would be: Argentina is evil, the rest of the world is supernal). You will surely say Argentina is starving (or aspersion to that effect), the other side will say we are better off than the UK, the US, etc. This is par for the course in any discussion about Argentina. The melodramatic streak of so many argies, I have learned through experience, very quickly imprints on others :)
“I have great sympathy for the general Argentine people”.
My best friend is also Jewish.
46 Misty Think
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yours I believe
Thank you.
Tipsy Think
Bottled or draft.
I say,
As these things run in three’s
What name will the next one be?
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Tobias
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I actually do have a very good friend in ba whom I have known for 35 years, he spent 16 years living in England including during the Falklands war. I have spent a lot of time amongst Anglo Argentines in England, and sometime in Florida. Eaten milenesas and drunk mate.
I said previously “I do not speak from any personal experience about the economic situation in Argentina, I just tell you what I hear”.
And what I hear from people I know well and trust implicitly, does not agree with what Malvinero1 says.
I believe you to be a person of integrity, how would you descride the economic situation in Argentina.
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Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
What name will next one be ..?........
I say :
MurkyThink could be.......!.................
Ok ...!!
Feb 01st, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmmm great thinking .
Feb 01st, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pugol-H
Feb 01st, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would say, and I hope you would concur, that the economic conditions is somewhere between Malvinero's sublime depictions and which is limned by those who have fundamental disagreements with the current government of Argentina (including certain sectors of the press, mainly the p), or simply have personal disaffections or spite towards the country.
I think that is fair.
I could argue that the most preponderant argument to put forth in determining economic conditions is how people are voting with their feet. And in the last five years, people have been returning to Argentina in droves: from Europe, from Mexico, from the United States. I don't think anyone would deny this development. But I am not a nationalist thus I can use discernment to point out that this phenomenon is not due to markedly rosy conditions in Argentina, but merely a stability and improvement from the major recession of the 2000 period coupled with dismal economic performance in the north.
Personally, most of my dealings are in the west of the country, where admittedly the situation maybe different from Buenos Aires due to a variety of reasons (for the better generally).
ps - btw, for the record, my best childhood (and still current) friend is Jewish. Serb-Argentine. ;)
This will be another British base closer to Las Mavlinas. We should also lay claim to St Helena, Tristran de Cuna and Assention Island as these are colonial outposts of English Empire.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0They must be taken over by us and populated by Argentines.
63 Filippo
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have only one thing to say to you:
Ha, Ha, Ha, (I do apologise to the Brits for my Argie moment)!
64 ChrisR
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not laugh pirate! You will be laughing other side soon.
In 1970's my father responsible for helping to disappear many thousands of political traitors from this country but his work was undo by failiur of our coward military to win Las Mavlinas battle. But always remember that parents of disapeared were praising their government when we re-occupied Las Malvinas, this is proof that people believe in our country more than they care for their family. This is what make Argentine such strong country.
We can be strong again, with all our might and all our passion directed at Las Malvinas and ignore all our problem at home, we can again be strong.
Never give in to English colonials because our blood is thicker than water and the blood of Las Malvinas I believe is black gold for which many of us with right connections can get very rich from...
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Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Your father is responsible for helping to disappear many............
I say :
Be careful...one of these posters is from “” desaparecidos “” or related....!.......
65 Filippo
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I put this response on your other posr, I repeat it here;
So, according to you, you old man murdered the people of Argentina.
'We can be strong again' no you cannot, because murdering people like that just makes you cowardly psychopaths.
Not only that, your wop grandfather 'being wanted on false accusations of war crimes' LIKE FATHER LIKE SON (your father).
If this really is your family history I would keep my mouth shut in case someone (like me) came along and slashed your left carotid artery, your windpipe and your right carotid artery from behind you before you even knew what was happening. AND I am just the man to avenge the poor bastards your bastard wop grandfather and father murdered.
GOT THE MESSAGE YOU COWARD.
@64 ChrisR
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does Mavlinero1 know you've got his Ha Ha Has ?
Better put them back before he find out, and the dummy and rattle go flying.
65 Filippo / with educated people like you, argentina will go a long way, A very long way, and never come back .
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand why they don't route the flights through Barbados? There are daily non stop flights from Miami, Washington and Dallas to Buenos Aires, Surely BDA id closer and its a friendly place to British interests.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines are not very bright, given the choice between fascism and democracy they have chosen fascism every time. Given the choice between American hegemony and being an independent nation, they have chosen America hegemony every time, characterised by its attendant secret police (NSA, CIA, Special Forces and other such gestapo trappings, including their own) and an attendant military or militant right government.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.
Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.
It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.
But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.
In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.
At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't..
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