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London rejects bill initiative to ensure Falklands’ remain British
The government has ruled out bringing in a UK law to ensure the Falkland Islands' right to remain British. Tory MP Guy Opperman said legislation would show support for the “unambiguous right to self-determination”. Read full article
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Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There must be right holding of “” self determination“”......
I say :
We must recognize the special challenges facing least developed countries,landlocked developing countries,Small Island developing States,Middle Income Countries......!.............
“We must recognize the special challenges facing least developed countries,landlocked developing countries,Small Island developing States,Middle Income Countries......!.............”
Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All of which have the right to self determination as enshrined in the UN charter, so yes you should respect the rights of small islands (such as the falklands) along with other territories that which to be either independant or remain under the sovereignty (overseas territory) of another country. Whilst also recognizing the special challenges they may or may not be facing, such as economic blockades by aggressive nighbouring countries.
Sounds nice,
Jan 31st, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But sadly I do not trust politicians,
And if the Blair incident was true,
Then perhaps putting it in British law, would prevent future British politicians from trying to do the same, [would it not]
Just a thought.
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Jan 31st, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Is ruled out then the possibility of applying the principle of self determination, as its exercise by the Islanders would cause the “breach of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. ”In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Ad Hoc Committee on the Situation, to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provisions of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV), and the interests of the population Malvinas.A Islands since 2004, the Government Argentina got the Malvinas Islands Question permanently on the agenda and in the paper by the Bureau of the General Assembly.
@5 Raul (#) It should be noted that there was a British settlement BEFORE the Argentine one, and also that the British allowed civilians to remain if they wished and only removed the soldiers of the Illegal garrison, who had murdered the Flag bearer on the Islands.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#) It should be noted that there was a British settlement BEFORE the Argentine one, and also that the British allowed civilians to remain if they wished and only removed the soldiers of the Illegal garrison, who had murdered the Flag bearer on the Islands
Jan 31st, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits settlement?/ That was nothing and you abandoned it....Signed the Nootka Sound and renouncing to any pretensions in the South Atlantic......
That is the reason you need military power..Costa Rica does not need it..Has a LEGAL territory.....
@7 Malvinero1 (#)
Jan 31st, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were claimed and settled BEFORE Argentine. They were abandoned, but in 1833 an English man who had presided over the British flag was murdered by the Argentines on the islands.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/voyage_of_beagle/Chapter9.html
Rolly - raising long dead Resolutions won't help persuade anyone that the Islanders do not have such a right. The UN clearly believes that they do.
Jan 31st, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it didn't, then the Falklands would not be on the Decolonisation list!
“Falkland Islands: Royal Navy packs considerable punch, warns William Hague. HMS Dauntless will set sail for the Falkland Islands in the coming weeks armed with a battery of missiles that could ”take out all of South America's fighter aircraft let alone Argentina's.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It can shoot down Argentine fighters as soon as they take off from their bases,” said another Navy source. “This will give Buenos Aires serious pause for thought.”
Admiral Lord West, the former First Sea Lord and Falklands veteran, said the Type 45 has an “amazing anti-air warfare capability.”
He also sent a warning to the Buenos Aires government. “Should there be any foolish nonsense from Argentina, Dauntless can sit just off the airfield and take down any aircraft coming in. It’s a game-changing capability.”
Add this kind of megalomaniac rhetoric to the sudden rush to get an airport built on St.Helena and it's obvious that Britain is now prepared to go to war with South America for that oil.
No wonder Britain is f****d with assholes like these.
Lets give back the Falklands to the native Americans that ancestors were there thousands of years ago, that european history books deny. It is truly their country and neither ours of the Spaniards, ok the Falklands if they are acting for the native indians then we should let them act for them but makinng sure the monbey goes to those lost tribe indians and no-one else, our British ancestors should be allowed to stay there if they wish, but as with any other country anyone from the planet earth should also have a right to visit or emmigrate there i9f they wish, providing they legally get there immigration status set up. A fund should be set up for those lost tribe Indians who should own most of America and all the oil resources along with all the other natural resources from their shores. Thgey should be given mass plots of land to live on and treated as human beings like the rest of us. They are one of the most mistreated peoples of this earth, arguably even worsely treat than the African Americans back in the day. It is time that they were given some recognition, power, money and status back to them. As us Europeans have failed to give them their rightly deserved over the years, as with the Carribeans, many asians and most of Africa. We have in recent centuries been appalling to other nations and unless we ask for forgiveness for our sins and repent, giving to the less fortunate, we will trully suffer in time to come, you mark my words. Believe in Karma?If yes then you will know what I am saying is true. Even though it is not our generations fault if we do not act now, we will suffer. I am affraid that is a given. The world is plotting agsainst us. I am fortunate enough to have family from other nations but i feel sorry for any European with no ties to any other country as you will have no here to hide. I am not a haterof europe I am British I love England, I am just being real. Money will send us to hell unless we are willing to give it up. Are you willing?
Feb 01st, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/prince-william-in-the-uniform-of-a-conqueror/
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0A new Conquistador :-)
@12
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0When argentina makes North Korea look like it possesses immense dignity and self respect with regards to it's propaganda, you get some grasp of how deeply pathetic argentina is.
What is ironic is that despite the macho posturing of argentina and it's bloodthirsty celebrations both of the war it lost and of it's history of mass exterminating natives, non whites and political opponents, it is unrivaled in it's ability to scream and cry like a little bitch for pity and sympathy at ANY opportunity.
Dreyfoss grow up UK get's no benefit from the oil any benefit it brings all goes to Falkland Islanders maybe they'll pay for their defence but the oil revenues stay in Stanley. Also the reason an airport is being built in ST Helena is that the Islands supply ship is wearing out and it now makes sense to build an airport.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, please show me the exact words and the link that proves that the UN have decided that the people of the Falklands are exempt from exercising the right to self-determination. Show me those official words Raul. I have demanded them so many times and you have never proven your claims. Prove to me that you are right.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, speaking as a Falkland Islander, it is not in my or my fellow islanders interests in being Argentine. We are more than happy with the current arrangement and our own autonomous democratic system and civil service.
And my final point, please look at the ruling over Kosovo. That official (please note official and not made up like most of your points Raul) ruling decided self-determination trumped territorial integrity, and that ruling was concerning physically breaking a country in two and not about an island 400 miles away. That is a very poignant factor. If self-determination trumps territorial integrity when a country is split in two, then self-determination for the people of an island 400 miles away from the mainland will most definitely be more important than territorial integrity.
Raul, consider yourself disproven beyond any doubt.
15 M_of_FI :
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's a bot to be honest. Just repeats the same thing pretty much in every thread. You can tell it's a copy paste job probably has it saved to his desktop.
To all the child like Argentine, flag waving, fascisting, morons who use the date 1833 as their claim to sovereignty of a series of island groups in the South Atlantic... GROW UP.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please keep drinking your governments cool aid and enjoy your next military government, God knows that's all your small minded brains can cope with.
Yay.. look a flag!
Tell me, if the royal navy sent a ship to the western isles or the isle of white, would Argentina thus complain that it is aggressive,
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The next time the British military send tanks and soldiers to Wiltshire, will Argentina complain,
When the RAF fly over breccons will CFK get up set,
If the UK governments sends a type 45 to Gibraltar will Argentina claim is as provocative,
Seeing as these places are all British, you wonder why we and the world just think you are silly and childish, the fact is, it has nothing, but nothing to do with Argentina what goes on in British territory,
Is that just too hard for you to grasp,
Perhaps if the Falklands islanders started to condemn Argentina every time YOU send a ship or plane or a soldier around argentine territory, you might , just might understand what it is like when total strangers start telling you what you can and cannot do in your own house,
So please soddy off.
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15 M_of_FI
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have responded the same on other occasions:
Resolution 2065 (XX)
The General Assembly, Having considered the question of the Malvinas Islands (Falkland Islands), Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples concerning the Malvinas (Falkland Islands) and in particular the conclusions and recom ¬ mendations adopted by it relating to that Terri ¬ tory, whereas its resolution 1514 (XV) of December 14, 1960, was inspired by the desired purpose of putting an end to colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, one of which fits the case of the Malvinas Islands (Falkland Islands).
(THE FOLLOWING IS FUNDAMENTAL)
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over these islands.
(Recognizing the principle of territorial integrity over self-determination by the existence of a conflict is of sovereignty).
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to examine the situation ¬ tion with respect to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples to find a peaceful solution to the problem, taking due account of the provi ¬ tions and objectives of the United Nations Charter ¬ das and resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands (Falkland Islands);
2. Calls on both Governments to inform the Special Committee and the General Assembly at the twenty-first session on the outcome of the negotia ¬ tions.
1398th. plenary session, December 16, 1965.
Do not be afraid to debate and negotiation to resolve conflicts caused by colonialism and imperialism English
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to examine the situation ¬ tion with respect to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and objectives of the United Nations Charter ¬
Feb 01st, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands (Falkland Islands
In other words, the sooner the British government can be bullied into forcibly giving the islands independence,
The sooner Argentina can invade it,
Prove me wrong.
Ditto.
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We do not need to be bullied into giving the Falkland islands to the Argentinians, we should just give it to them as a good will gesture to show the world how we have moved on from colonial times. We should set up a foundation for all the income made from the natural resources from the Islands that is a charity for third world countries. One that would be good for us to donate too and try and helpwould be Somalia. This would also help our international relations with the muslim nations from getting any worse and help prevent future suicide bombings amed at us. We should set up a charuity organisation in say Mogadishu and help build the infastructure needed to get their country back on its feet. Selfless acts like this are what are needed to get our world to move towards peace, if it is ever going to come to us. The locals on the Falklands who wish to be Bristish should either beallowed to stay there and keep their nationality whhich they consider themselves to be or be given the priority and chance of having council tennancies wherever they wish in the UK with a small staart up grant. With the opportunity to get a bussiness loan to start up a new business in the UK if they wish. We should make sure that the Argentinians respect anyone who wishes to stay on the island by sanctioning UN laws and keeping a british governing presence for the foreseable future. Other than this lets show the world how we Brits are humane and descent honest citizens of this earth and not be seen as the immature heal dragging nation that we could appear to be otherwise. Good night and peace to all men. And love to all nations
Feb 01st, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 D Senior
Feb 01st, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you pipe down you feeble troll.
21 D Senior
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are an idiot.
@ D Senior
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like English ideot, I hate you and your country go to hell.
In Las Malvinas when we reoccupy the islands, we will kick all your colonials out and import our own people to take over their farms. We will send your colonials to your house. That is if they go peacefully like good subjects. Otherwise they will be removed by force, and none will be needing house.
Once we have possession of Las Malvinas all cars will drive on right, all language will be Spanish, all currency will be peso, all laws will be Argentine, it will be illegal for illegal colonials to leave with any money - this will be confisated. Anyone objecting to our rule will be arrested. All land will ve redistributed to Argentines of good standing (no socialists), the Malvinas government will be suspended and replaced by Argentine military governor.
We will also wish your colonial presence to be removed from South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands, South Orkney Islands and whole of Antartica. All your scientists must be removed by force from Antartica claimed by Argentina by proximity right.
All this is backed up by UN and you must go or be liquidated from our seas and land.
We control Southern Cone.
@24 what a load of nonsense, but hey since it coming from an argentinian, at least you have confirmed just what we have all suspected is your government and peoples true intentions on how you intend to remove the islanders from their homes and property, and you say your not colonialist. Congratulations you just proved to the world why self determination is more important than that of any territorial integrity claim.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You idiot hypocrite.
20 briton:
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina may soon invade,
Prove me wrong.
Dear British.
I've said on other occasions. Argentina is not equal to 1982. I show in particular that you are wrong.
“La Nación Argentina ratifies its legitimate and imprescriptible sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich and the corresponding maritime and island spaces, being an integral part of the country. The recovery of these territories and the full exercise of sovereignty , respecting the way of life for its inhabitants and according to the principles of international law are permanent and irrevocable goal of the Argentine people. ”
CONSTITUTION ARGENTINA, first transitional provision
21 D Senior:
Very good idea, is a good start. Peace and human rights is a brave thing.
24 Filippo:
Pathetic and sorry your comment. You forget that we suffer from the doctrine of national security with 30,000 missing and stolen babies. Unfortunate thing.
The resolutions from the 1960s will be trumped by the more recent ruling on Kosovo. Also in your post there is not mention that the Falkland Islanders cannot exercise their right to self-determination.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont forget that the resolution that you pin your entire arguement on states that the solution regarding the Falklands issue should be in the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands. Only the people of the Falklands can decide what is in their interests, and we are happy with the current arrangement with Britain.
In 1970's my father responsible for helping to disappear many thousands of political traitors from this country but his work was undo by failiur of our coward military to win Las Mavlinas battle. But always remember that parents of disapeared were praising their government when we re-occupied Las Malvinas, this is proof that people believe in our country more than they care for their family. This is what make Argentine such strong country.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can be strong again, with all our might and all our passion directed at Las Malvinas and ignore all our problem at home, we can again be strong.
Never give in to English colonials because our blood is thicker than water and the blood of Las Malvinas I believe is black gold for which many of us with right connections can get very rich from...
Monty 69 I don't know where you are from but your comments are very immature and degrading. I am not feeble in my previos career I was know as holding no prisoners. But I am not an adult and a reformed character with passion for the world as one nation. You have shown no courage intelect or respect for human life in the statement you made to me and therefore I will not respond to your remarks, as they do not deserve any response. However I will say this, I expect you are some KKK kind of loving caward, who hides behind other people rather than defend yourself, and someone who needs defending regularly because you cause so much trouble for people.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 023 Mendoc I do not know where you are from either, but you also have nothing good to add here, and with your comment I will expect that you are either a teenage delinquent using drugs, or a grown up delinquent that will never grow up. And finally 24 Filippo/28 Filippo. You have said some truly appalling things in your posts. I am ritish but if you look at my posts, I unlike most of the other British people on here or Falkland island residents who wish to stay British. So aiming your anger at me is truly a bullying way to go. Your comments make it imposible for my peacefull suggestion to work. Your comments are those of a 1940's German Nazis. What I have suggested is peace to all men and nations. How can you be proud to be from anywhere that has these views and plans to treat any human being with such disrespect. You seem to think that having a father who has help to murder thousands of people is something to brag about. Well if it had been yourself then at least you could have claimed something for yourself, be it negative or not. But unfortunately you are merely bragging about something your father told you, which more than likely is just a load of babble. I truly feel sorry for such a character as yourself. Either highly deluded and or totally nasty and evil. I suggest you read the bible or the holy Koran and repent now!
26 Raul
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly it is you that is wrong, argentina may not be in a position to do nothing, as you rightly say,
but, if britain was forced to give the falklands indipendence, then the forces would leave,
then argentina would thus take the islands, she would not need a big military, just boats to carry troops, for without the protection of great britain, they would be defenceless,
and besides argentina has broken so many rules and treaties, and does not have a very good rights record,
what kind of a life do you think the falkladers would have,
they are safer with the british, .
29 D Senior
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0We get a lot of odd characters on here, but no-one's ever suggested reading the bible or the Koran as an answer to our evil ways.
I still think you're a troll.
You suggested selling my country from under me and giving the money to Somalia, and offered me a council house in Britain as an alternative.
That makes you either insane or trolling for a response.
I guess we're not destined to have a beautiful relationship.
I am sorry that you feel this way, and I canunderstand your situation, but frankly the Falklands are always going to be a problem for Britain until something is done, at least it becoming a shared state with Argentinia. I am British from England. Even if I was from the Falklands unfortunately i would have to come to this realization sometime as it is a fact that is looming upon your country. I am not the one who has caused this situation, I have merely suggested a peaceful diplomatic solution for your situation. You say you want your country to remain British and unfortunately that means that we as Britains have to decide your future. Ultimately as already stated, your future has to become mixed with Argentine at the very least in the end for a peaceful solution. If you want to be British what is wrong with having the opportunity to live here with a start up. I didn't mean that you loose your assets over there, I meant that you can also have those transfered into British cash to buy assets with. I am not insane. I am highly educated, and as you put it, I am not trolling for a response. You must think about the situation and unfortunately come to the realization i've stated above. I'm sure it is a beautiful island but if you wish to be British you must be also willing to live here, not just want to be under our protection but living in paradise, on a land stolen from its natives many years ago. For an eventual peaceful ending to such a situation, as a prophet of this kind of situation, in years to come you will realise that the only solution other than confrontation is by doing such a selfless act as the ones mentioned in my previous posts. Peace and love to all men. And as previously mentioned reading any of the holly books will help you all. Spread the love and ignore the haters. Take the pain of life with strength and willingness. Never relent in your struggles and never be forced to do wrong. Live life to the fullest, and always think of a peaceful sollution.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are as much brit as I am Atlantian And as English as frankfurters .
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go back to your pod,
I will never understand why some people feel the need to verbally abuse another person, other than because of not being confidend and happy in themselves. I guess 33 briton that unlike you I am actually English and that you are actually a southern Atlantian coming from the Falkland Islands. I am from south yorkshire in England, a place called Hillsborough in a city called sheffield, but if you are trully a Brit, you will know exactly where this is. However since you are more likely a Falklander, I will suggest that you may one day actually become an Argentinian and possibly loose all of your Brit status. I unlike you do not hide behind my British ancestory and prefer to be called English as I do not like to hide behind a flag because of the power that that flag may have. I fail to understand why you even tried to insult me as not being a true Brit. Actually you are right, I am not I am a true English man, I am merely a Brit by birth and no more deserve to be here in britain than anyone else who lives here. This earth was given to man by god, and not to any seperating race colour cuture or creed. Whatever makes you think being British is somehow better than another race/nationality etc.. evades me, and because I am of this frame of mind there is noreson for me to pretend to be British if i was not, as in my eyes it makes me better than no one. We are all merely human beings. Maybe you think that if I was British I would be proud of our flag and be demanding that we keep ownership of the Falklands because our once so called great empire. If you think in this way I am sorry my friend but I am not of this view, it is just history to me and now is the time that is important for all of the planet to be able to one day have peace, and use our experiences to become one nation under god, and stop killing one another. It matters not to me if you are a frankfurter or an Altantian, you are just as human wherever youare from. I forgive you and pray for your heart to soften!
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 D Senior
Feb 04th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t patronise me boy,
If you took what I said as an insult, then you are either an argie or a very innocent protected little man, don’t tell me about being British and English, , then try to patronise me about being British is the best, what two faced is that, so you think its wrong for me and others to think being British is best, [is wrong]
But ok if the Argies do it,
You are of course entitled to your opinion, and im entitled to disagree with you, and I do,
But for a Yorkshire may, you speak very uneasy,
And if I was English I would know where it is,
Well I do know where [it] is, its two words back,
Personally I prefer pie mash &eels, to stuff my boat,
And if you were English you would know what it meant, [without looking it up]
As for me, I don’t come from this loony planet,
Im just passing through, and landed in great Britain, England , London,
And thought this is the greatest place on earth, any if you think that’s not right, tough .
.long live the british, but not the yorkie bar .
Hi 35 briton. Unfortunately your comments do not surprise me, they disappoint me somewhat but, unfortunately the average human being of this earth generally does disappoint me,with our sinfull ways. I never meant to patronsise you I merely stated facts. Call me stupid but I fail to see how I might be a protected little man. I guess that in your simplest of minds that this is some kind of attempt to insult me, however no matter how christian I am, i'm sure if we met you would soon realise that I do not need protecting by any man woman or child, and definately not by our British flag, that unfortunatley for you with your bigoted mind we do actually share. And i'm sure that you do need protecting behind it, especially if a group of kids from lets say Brixton or Totenham aproached you whilst on your own late one night with blades and hoods up. I although being a christian do know how to dissarm someone and have had too on several ocassions, I am not stating I am invincible, I do have a lot of scars a few being on my face, as anyone else can be I was on a few occassions caught out, but that was in a previous life, I now serve god. I also never suggested that it was ok for Argies to do it, however I forgive you for your lack of inteligence as you have clearly shown in your dialogue.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will suggest that you do come from this loony planet as you are a true brit as i'm sure you would put it, only an earthling could be so angered by another human being. As I thought you don't even like as you would probably put it northerners never mind anyone of any other heritage, colour creed or religion. I've met plenty of inteligent people south of the Thames who call anyone who lives above them northerners. So nothing you have said is new intelligent or comes across as big to me. London is ok but i'm sorry to tell you that it is soon becoming less significant as a major hub on this earth. I myself prefer Beijing, New York and Tokyo. And even Sheffield and Manchester. London is old now!
34 & 36 D Senior Well done my Brother the briton guy is obviously a fool and very unintelligable, and as you put it his screen name suggests that he is racist on its own. Calling you a Yorky bar shows you his mentality. what a fool. I am not as religious as you myself however I do agree with your posts general intention. I am British through and through but this earth is ours to share and until the older generations that have not come to that realization yet do realize this we will never have worldwide peace or otherwise sadly we will have to wait until the older generations have past away and as new generations gradually change their views as they are currently doing in this present climate. I have personally seen people I grew up with in Manchester go from being totally racist children to becoming adults that if anything kind of talk as if they are at leaqst mixed race, using black slang, and I dont mean a few rejects, i'm talking a whole range of people from my school, they were almost all racist at school, and now not one of them and i can think of around 50 people in a wholemanner of roles throughout Manchesters society, one being a member of parliament. I feel it will not be much longer and the breed of humans like that cockney 'british' fool above will become extinct. And please 33 Briton, don't hate me hate the game. lol
Feb 04th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your support 37 Evelyn. I agree with your general theme too, but I regret what I said to this guy already, as I wish not to anger anyone or cause any friction between any human being, I believe in peace and moving forwards. Although I too see changes going on throughout the world by having a multicultural network of collegues,friends and work assossiate and by being involved in movements of all faiths throughout the world throughout various stages of my life. And I do agree that the future holds no place for people who are racist, or at least not a very nice place for them, a very loney if not imprisoned one, as I see more and more people speaking out against racism, and it becoming even less acceptable in society as the days go by. Unfortunately there seem to be small groups of racists that can exist in the bigger cities because they can hide away in the bigger white only scenes, but even this is becoming more rare, and as you say, people like the guy above Briton, lol from the larger cities of this country as with some sad places in London, a few do still exist, but as you say they are quickly dying out and soon will feel sorejected that they will not feel comfortable in the UK as I prefer to call our nation. Our flag has been changed to accomodate all colours and creeds, and soon the earth will be one, all we need now is for christians and muslims to unite, but i'm sure then the money lovers will find some other poor victims to attack. I am really a Manc. myself Evelyne, I was born and raised in Old T until I was 15 when I moved to Sheffield, but lived back there for 5 years from being 21-26, i've been back in Sheff now for the last ten years but plan on buying a property there in the near future. whats your email address. lol only joking. You take care my friend. Much love and peace to all your family and friends
Feb 04th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 D Senior ican see you may be a church goer in some way,
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0we will not die out as you put it, their is nothing wrong with being british and proud of it,
and if the falklands wisahes to remain british then so be it,
your opinion, and my opinion, as for bigoted mind , to me, he who mentions the word is more likly to be bigoted, , all that crap abt brixton,
is your violence part of your world then, no violence from this part,
if i wanted to insult you, i would, but you say your british, but seem less to understand a witty coment, to an insult, i sugest you read your bible a bit more,, and not it was not an insult,
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nice comment from from a fool calling me a recist, what a disgracfull thing to say, dont bloody paint me with your crap, , and dont bloody paint me in your image, fools like you who think everyone is racist, is as bad as them yourself, so if anyone is racist its bloody not us, its fools like you that paint everybody the same , just waiting for the old generation to die off, what a degrading thing to say, if you dont like peoples comment on here, then piss off .
Hi 39 Briton. I can see now that maybe you are trying to redeam yourself somewhat, but you expect others to see things from your own frame of mind. I can understand that, but unfortunately people see things from a general frame of mind rather than a single individuals mind. However I am British and I fail to see how saying 'go back to your Pod', calling someone a protected little man, calling someone a yorkie bar, and telling a lady to piss off, is not insulting to a person. Violence isn't part of my world, you called me protected little man, forgive me for getting you wrong, but I though that that was some kind of atempt at acting tough guy, and was merely responding the way in which I expected someone with that mentality to understand. You saying violence isn't part of your life makes it even harder for me to understand how you can call someone a little man, as clearly you don't mean it intellectually as, forgive me for saying this but you are definately not the sharpest tool in the box are you now? That is why I mentioned Brixton and all that crap, as it is usually in my experience, people with your attitude that starts trouble, but then backs away from it and leaves others to suffer the consiquences by letting them fight for you and their blood gets spilt in stead of yours. You say your british and london is the best place on the planet, well what business is it of yours if an Argentinian gets annoyed at us for sending our big millitary ships close to their counrty to protect our small island that is thousands of miles away from us. How would you feel if Argentinia was granted ownership of the isle of white by the UN and they were given billons of euros worth of millitary power to protect it and then they sent in ten big battle ships that are bigger than us Brits have ever owned? Think about that objectivelyand then answer me, you can google definition to find the meanings of some of these words if you don't possess a dictionary! good day my fella Brit!
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello D Senior. How are you today bro? I can see you have already answered that foolish brton dood for me. What a fool he is, isn't he?
Feb 05th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Mr Briton, you say people like me think that everyone is racist. lol! Do you not even have the ability to understand what I said in my post that out of most of my school friends the majority of them would have proundly said that they were racist in the white society that we grew up in, I then went on to explain that none of them would now like to be reminded of their past views, / attitudes/behaviours towards race now, every single one of them that I have either stayed in touch with, or had more recent contact with since we left school would not still even like to admit to once having add those views. And I am proud to say that most of the individuals that I am talking about's friend. I do not know anyone who is racist within my inner circle of friends, so no I don't think that everyone is racist whatsoever, far from it, I think that racist people in Britain today are far and few between, I believe that they are a dying breed. And as you put it as me being degrading waiting for the old generation to die off. That is again MR Brains not what I meant, as you put it in one of your posts, you obviously can't understand an insult from British wit, lol. What a fool you be my long lost cuzin '39 Briton' I meant the racist breed that you have indicted yourself to be in your openly foolish posts. If you are not racist, then I am an Argie and if your not a bigot i'm a Frankfurter. Now you go back to your Pod, suppossing you know what one of those are, you Cockyney troll!
D Senior
Feb 05th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before I reply, if you or others are going to come on here, then I strongly suggests, you learn what people are like, and for Christ sake stop taking insults when anybody replies to you, on this site people get [witty][funny][bombastic][jokingly]
Some are very very insulting, that would have the dead sitting up,
And others are just carps, may I suggest you look at some of the replies
But to be fair to you if you are going to be insults by the words [pod][frankfurter][and][yourky bar]
Then you are truly on the wrong site, they try to keep political correctness off, others wise it spoils the broth,
Frankfurter, is German [you know that] back beyond Celtic, to which we both probably decent from,, [pod] is use to grow things in a field, , we all come from the earth do we not,, and [yorkie bar] is a bar of chocolate, that you buy from a shop, and merely a reference to Yorkshire, I which it is not,
I did not call you a yorkie bar, [a holy man does not lie] does he not]
This is what I said, letter for letter, [.long live the British, but not the yorkie bar]]
I did not say that SENIOR was a yourkie bar]so im right and you got it wrong
[][telling a lady to piss off[][ this very disgusting foul mouthed person, I do not know/she does not know me, proceeded to call me a RACIST and you AGREED with her, did you not,
I retaliated, full stop,
[][in my experience, people with your attitude that starts trouble,[][
I do not have an attitude problem, and as you said, you mentioned Brixton and violence and not me,, so no excuses their,…….
[but I thought ],,well sir, you thought wrong,
[london is the best place on the planet,// you took offence//
Have you never ever heard people say, [this is the best place in the world, ]this is the best ice cream] these are the best jumpers[ you take political offence far to quickly,
The Falklands, if any people wish to remain british, they have that right,
If the people of the isle of white demanded to be ruled by argentina, then so be it,
Hi people!
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This article interests me as I am British and also once lived on the Falkland Islands myslef, however I moved back here to the UK shortly after the war in the early 80's. I found it quite disheartening to carry on living there with so many lives being lost over that piece of land so far away from our home land. I was not born there so obviously it is easier for me to move back here, but having said that I do believe that anyone still living there who wants to be classed as British should also be willing to come back here to live, as it is not worth having all that blood spilt for us to keep hold of the place what should never have really been ours in the first place. When I went out there I was just a young adult, nieve and didn't really understand the politics of it, or even that there was a debate at all about whose it should be, but frankly to me it was always clear without then knowing much about history/slavery or colonialism
that this place was definately not supossed to be owned by us British. I personally do not believe it should be owned by the Spanirds either as it is also thousands of miles away from there home land too, however the Argentinians that are native to that part of the world, and/or even to the Falklands/Malvinas islands should be given the island back, with guidance from the UN on how to set up the new government. The UN should be it's protectorate until it becomes stable enough to support itself. And as far as people before me on here go. 5 Raul, I do no agree with everythign you say but. I agree with britain giving thie islands to their rightfull owners. Fillipo you are an idiot racist and horrible. Briton, you are a bit of an idiot aren't you really, and a trouble causer like Fillipo but from the other side of the argument.
D Senior, I like your posts, people like you inspire me to stay in touch on places like this, you keep me alive. much praise and laughter in the nicest possible way. Evelyine, I love iit you go girl!
Hi Briton!
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Each time we speak we seem to get a lttle closer to each other, I do hope you are feeling the christian love from me through the www, As I believe I am flowing it out to you right now. Let me suggest to you that you are not in a court room, you seem to be trying to defend yourself like you are up in the dock on a criminal charge. The first half of drabble that you wrote had no significance, and then as far as not calling me a yorkie bar, as you put it you saidm long live the british but not the yorkie bar. So yes as you put it you are right and I am wrong. are we in class here or what, it feels like year 5 so far.
Telling a woman to piss of is degrading fuoll stop and yes I did agree with her in my belief nthat you are a bigoted racist, I am not jesus only a human being, and your talk suggests to me and obviously to her that you are a racist. We will no doubt never know the truth about that, but you have done a good job in showing us without a jury being prescent. You say there is no excuse for me mentioning violence, ha, I merely mentioned a scenario 'not guilty or even no offence committed' '[but I thought' what I thought and still do 'not guilty on all counts']
Lastly I never took offfence to you saying London is the best place in the world, plently of people I know think sheffield or Manchester are, I merely said that London is quickly becoming less significant in our world as the far east i.e. China Japan etc.. and even parts of Asia, i.e Dubai and Abu Dabbi take over from us in the east. It has been recognised that by 2020 the east will take over from the west, however unfortunately for us, with our current recession here and in the US, it looks as if this is happening uch sooner. Britain along with Europe and the US are quickly slipping away. When we do, the Falklands will be the least of our worries, I think it's time we worry about that and not waiste our time on less important things that will help our demise come sooner, don't you Einstein?
43 anne
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry you seem you have formed your very own opinion,
Nice to see that you lived in the Falklands,
Sadly misguided as you are,, you say Britain should give the islands back to the original owners,
Spain should not have a claim, and im a fool, well ok,
Allow me to help you,
First of, Spain has no claim on the islands, she does not own them or want them,
The British have been on the islands for over 150 years, they have been run and administered by the British, but today, the islanders all but rule them selves, they run their own affairs,
And they do want independence, to be Falkland islanders,, they people can trace their decent all the way back to the fist people on the islands,
Argentina does not own the islands, Argentina never has,, she has never administered them or ruled them, Argentina has had nothing to do with the Falklands at all,
Today Argentina abuse them, insults them, tries to blockade them, call them pirates,
And the rest, and tells abhorrent lies about them, the people have had referendums, and 99%
Wish to remain British, why then should Argentina not only demand what is not theirs, but get them illegally,,
There are many islanders on here that would badly disagree with you,
All they want, is to be left in peace, and be independent, but Argentina would invade the moment the British went home,, this is not the whole history, but I hope it helps you in some way,
As for idiot, that ok, we all are sometimes,
You Go boy .lol.
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Argentines are not very bright, given the choice between fascism and democracy they have chosen fascism every time. Given the choice between American hegemony and being an independent nation, they have chosen America hegemony every time, characterised by its attendant secret police (NSA, CIA, Special Forces and other such gestapo trappings, including their own) and an attendant military or militant right government.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.
Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.
It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.
But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.
In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.
At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't..
Hi to all the free and brave
Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Row82 sorry to all the Argentinians for your comments, being a citizen of the UK, but then you do seem to be some kind of god that can understand a whole nations thoughts, so I guess we should all bow down to you and pray to Row82 next time we pray.
Briton, lol, lol, lol what can I say to a brick wall, well I will try and put it in the most basic of laymans terms as I can do to try and explain to you as i'm sure D Senior is hoping you to understand as I and i'm sure anne is too.
I believe that they are saying to you that they think that the most justifiable way to deal with the island is to give it back to the indigeonous peoples of Argentina, not the Spanish, i'm sure Anne and D Senior as well as myself and everyone else who has spoken here knows have never owned the island, I believe that what they meant is that the Falkland is owned no more by the Argentinians as it is the Spanish, as well as it is really not rightfully ours. I suggest to you that they are trying to say to you and others that it would be more justifiable to give it to a nominated few of the 600,000 Indigeonous people of the closest mainland (which yes happens to be Argentina) who's ancestors have lived there for thousands of years i.e. the Mapuche people, the Kolla, the Toba, the Guaraní, the Wichi, the Diaguita-Calchaquí, the Mocoví, the Huarpe, the Comechingón and the Tehuelche, the Quechua, the Charrúa, the Pilagá, the Chané, and the Chorote. And that it's handover is seen by the UN and that the UN stays it protectorate until it sells enough of it's oil to gain it'self the millitary power that is needed for it to protect it'self from any attacks from the more recently colonised Argentinia, and trully become independant. The 3000 who wish to stay british should be allowed to stay British and also be part of the new governent, however they are always able to come back and start a fresh here in the UK whenever they want too. Yunistand waah mi ya seh brit tun?
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