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The New Falklands War
By Jaime Daremblum from the Hudson Institute (*) - In 1982, Argentina's right wing military junta launched a sudden invasion of the Falkland Islands, the South Atlantic archipelago that has been a British possession since 1833. The invasion was motivated by a desire to distract attention from the country's severe economic woes, including hyperinflation and massive capital flight. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo in short, argentina is happily sliding into another dictatorship, CFK and her cronies have near total control of the media, government and judiciary, and once again they are laying the foundations for a war with the UK
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to ask if anyone is at all surprised by this?
Except they do not have the capacity for an actual war. This is a war of words.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recently I was asked by an Argentine if the British army was 'very small now' and 'not capable of war over the Falklands'. I didn't want to get into the whole debate so I just dropped in that it is more than numbers of men, like superior weaponry that has to be considered when assessing an army's capability. He also excitedly asserted that 'Cameron is in a lot of trouble because he is so unpopular'. I am not sure where he is getting his information.
It is true that the unions are ramping up the stakes in Argentina. Blockading the airport and threatening more action.
It's called psychological projection, which explains just about all of argentina's whining over the past 50 years.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0unfortunately in the real world it often leads to third world nations being painfully humiliated.
I don't know elaine, they are getting pretty desperate now, and if they were stupid enough to think we would not respond to their invasion in 1982, then its safe to say they would also be stupid enough to try land some fishermen on the islands and raise their flag and claim the islands are now under argentine control. Well until the fishermen are either arrested or shot dead under the believe they may well be argentina special forces in disguise. Either way i for one would shoot first and ask questions later ;-)))
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree it is getting desperate because CFKC has staked her entire credibility on this campaign - seriously, who the hell is advising her? - and she must have realised that she is getting nowhere fast.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A poll taken yesterday in Argentina suggested the issue is a popular one, so it is not going out of the news anytime soon, sandwiched between bulletins on the endless strikes/protests, complains about inflation and ever increasing crime.
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Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a crazy thing for the Argentine to ask you about.
In any event;
Argentina - professional army 73,100 + 31240 paramilitaries (IISS 2010)
United Kingdom - professional army 197,780 + 212,400 reservists (IISS 2010)
So even in numbers we out number them 4:1 on the ground, let alone the better weapons in our hands.
How can they think that the 4th most powerful country in the World is unable to defend a territory that uses only £70 Million of our £45 Billion annual military budget? Somebody must be planning something stupid, again.
I have to ask if anyone is at all surprised by this
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well It is an opinion.Certainly the state department thinks differently.
As oil prospects goes,well the re is nothing there,so obviously he did not talked with the industry.Off shore is terrible expensive aand they need a lot of infraestructure from the continent.
Obviosuly daremblum knows nothing about history or international law.
Strange he mention the military,when some importants USA banks,like the citibank,were saved by Argentina and others SA countries,by pushing their loans.
Strange he does not mention that the conservative wanted to get rid of the MAlvinas in '80s.
Strange he does not mention the 1990 policies.Of course wall street Journal and Financial Times,were all too happy with them...
Strange that the people are much better off nowthan the “glorious 1990”
Either way i for one would shoot first and ask questions later ;-)))
”Bettter you sout yourself mateboy.Because there is nothing you can do about the oil...
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
#7 - I feel sorry for you. You've clearly been brainwashed by Argentina's burgeoning 21st century dictatorship. Hopefully Kirchner will pull a Galtieri on the Falklands and you can once again be free.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like Malvinero1 plans to be on a fishing boat and will be armed, best we ignore their white flags (history shows they are a dishonourable people and shoot people under a white flag), and spray these fishing terrorists with as much lead as possible, and then when everything is silently smouldering we then ask them to surrender.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 07 - I feel sorry for you. You've clearly been brainwashed by Argentina's burgeoning 21st century dictatorship. Hopefully Kirchner will pull a Galtieri on the Falklands and you can once again be free
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks,but I prefer the kirchner than the uk dictatorships...
Seem that they are getting nervous,that in Argentina are going to nationalize the oil industry.
BTW I live half of my life away from Argentina.
NOOOO body brainwashed me....
I feel sorry for your brainwashing.....Still think to “free” Libia,and Iran?
Just come and see for yourself...There is Full democracy and the people know exactly what they have to do.....
The political party in the uSA brainwashed them..They bankrupt USA and the conservative banrupt uk....
BTW: I talked with a friend of mine,lived for 25 years in France.He returned with his Argentine family set up a plasctic industry..and HE likes the kirchner.
Poor deluded brainwashed brits.....
COme and visit Argentina..dictatorship?/ In your dreams
BTW: I talked with a friend of mine,lived for 25 years in France.He returned with his Argentine family set up a plasctic industry..and HE likes the kirchner
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats because she is his best customer:-))))))
Just goes to show that argentina is all BLUFF and Lacks the drive to take any useful Action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Jaime Daremblum, the former Costa Rican ambassador to the United States, is a rightwing pundit based at the neoconservative think tank, the Hudson Institute, where he directs the Center for Latin American Studies.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At Hudson, Daremblum frequently writes critical commentaries about leaders in Latin America, especially in countries that have pursued left-of-center political projects. Among his favorite topics are relations between Iran and countries like Bolivia and Venezuela, which he describes in a menacing light.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/daremblum_jaime
BESIDES, don't miss the recent and renewed support given by Costa Rica to Argentina in http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/daremblum_jaime
BTW: I talked with a friend of mine,lived for 25 years in France.He returned with his Argentine family set up a plasctic industry..and HE likes the kirchner
Feb 01st, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats because she is his best customer:-))))))
really?/ I do not think so.Why don't you come and experience the “kirchner” oppression???
Strange in the internet era,somebody can brainwash you.
BTW,the people are rebelling agains some of kirchner free market policies.
Like the big minnings corp....
Sounds like Malvinero1 plans to be on a fishing boat and will be armed, best we ignore their white flags (history shows they are a dishonourable people and shoot people under a white flag), and spray these fishing terrorists with as much lead as possible, and then when everything is silently smouldering we then ask them to surrender
really,wireless?/ Why do not talk with bramley about the mkilling and raping of Argentine prisioners????
You are crazy wireless!
@6 Yes, it was a strange question. It is almost as if he was looking for some confirmation of rumours circulating. I guess he was disappointed.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jaime Daremblum says :
Feb 01st, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing....................
I say :
The culture of greed and impunity we are witnessing on many TV screens scretches right up into corporate boardrooms and the Governments cabinets.It embraces the internal security powers and large part of media. It is not just its demaged youth ,but Britain itself (plus maybe Argentina) that needs a moral reformation....!.............
Unfortunately the double standart from Governments are symptomatic of widespread double standarts at the very top of our societies.It should be stressed that most people continue to believe in honesty,decency,hard work and putting back into society at least as much as they take out......!..........................
Dictatorship in the making! Does CFK forget that the policies she is implementing are identical to the policies of the ”military dictatorship of the 70's and 80's she is so against? Does she forget when she was an student activist during the 70's?....the eggs are on her face!
Feb 01st, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMAO Malverviner clearly doesn't realise that if CFK nationalises the oild industry the companies with all the money that run the oil industry will pull out of argentina, leaving them free to invest their money in the falklands and elsewhere. but not only that, companies involved in other industries such as retail, car manufacturing, mining, agriculture and just about all other industries where international companies make up a large share of the industry will see said international companies pulling out of argentina instead of remaining their and risk having CFK nationalise their operations in argentina.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides i would love to know where CFK intends to get the billions of USD needed to compensate the international companies for nationalising their operations in argentina, consider the fact argentina has no money spare.
Someone say :
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing or talk about worthless things............
I say :
Political will for State managing is also sort supply nowadays.That's hardly surprising given that countries expected to help ruling the nations are the same ones that until recently were accused of neoimperialism.Remember 2002 Sierra Leoneans wellcome the British Peacekeeping forces with open arms and even wax nostalgic all about the old days of British Rule.But they revolted against the British Colonialism in the 1950s not so long ago,they condemned it as the root
cause all their problems.Should we be surprised that the British are ,at best ambivalent about their role ?
Colonial Powers formed a dozen of new States as they conquered vast swaths of territory ,tinkering with old political and leadership structures and eventualy replaced them with new countries and governments.The greater the difference between the precolonial political entities and what the colonial powers tried to impose ,the higher rate of failures......!....................
The lesson by now should be clear..no country is so insignificant that it can never become important.So, by all means let's focus our efforts only on strategically important countries ,as long as we can predict which ones they are...............!........................................
Ahh yes the The Hudson institute so right wing even George Bush was seen as a leftie.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This article makes the worst of the BBC,Voa and Radio Moscow look like honest reporting
Besides i would love to know where CFK intends to get the billions of USD needed to compensate the international companies for nationalising their operations in argentina, consider the fact argentina has no money spare.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia has done,against giant petrobras and they doing fine.....
Anyway that is OUR decision.
CFK dictatoship...
By you people don't come and experience yourself the“ dictatorship”
Came any time.There is a Direct fligth in BA,LOndon -Buenos Aires
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Rubbish talkers
Malverino
Feb 01st, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not Aerolineas Argentinas? A bit too embarrassing?
Malverino
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not Aerolineas Argentinas? A bit too embarrassing?
No just I do not want you get “indoctrination” from kirchner.
The reason AA has no direct fligth,is cheaper but you have to connect Rome or Madrid.
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Hey Malvi,
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that. Also, get this; Aerolineas Argentinas, the Argentine flag carrier and 99.4% owned by the Argentine Government offers fares on its website from Londres a Buenos Aires (I got Think to translate because nobody from non-Spanish speaking countries can read of write Spanish) for FKP908.
Malvi, do you know what FKPs are? Let me tell you. Falkland Islands Pounds! It doesn't even have / Malvinas Pounds written after it. So that's right, the English version of the website calls London Londres but offers prices in FKP!
The next intrusion may be motivated by a desire to distract attention from the country's severe economic woes, including hyperinflation and massive capital flight.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What better time, than when the hosts are busy doing other tasks,
But then that’s what A surprise is all about, when your back is turned
Is it not .
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Malvi, do you know what FKPs are? Let me tell you. Falkland Islands Pounds! It doesn't even have / Malvinas Pounds written after it. So that's right, the English version of the website calls London Londres but offers prices in FKP!
Feb 01st, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you!
You know what? That is an international currency calculator..
BTW,the only fligth is from LAN.Does NOT HAVE THE flk pounds.
Of course who want to go to the Malvinas dictatorship.
And for the astronomic cost of 850 USD,from Pta Arenas....
BTW: AA or LAN DOES NOT
http://www.lan.com/cgi-bin/compra/paso3.cgi?just_refresh=1;session_id=xy44691328131265_K03X7BRBS3
Alejomartinez and O gara have just provided us with ad hominem arguments. I wonder if they cannot grasp that attaching a political label to someone is no substitute for a refutation of his opinions. The crucial question here is this: Are there any factual inaccuracies in Darenblum's article? If the answer is in the negative, it follows quite straightforwardly that Argentina is a failing democracy, no matter how much of a rightwing nutcase Darenblum happens to be.
Feb 01st, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 Malvinero1
Feb 01st, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0COme and visit Argentina..dictatorship?/ In your dreams
I here and I see exactly what Argentina is. Almost a dictatorship. What is it that you see? from what i read of your post you are not discribing Argentina but some other country,
I do not understand why this man is writing this for Hudson Instetute? He is not English and he is not supporting our right for possession of illegal colonail occupetaion of Las Malvinas!
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no where i read this fact in Argentina. If he were in Argentina writing this he would be arrested givern accident.
I thought Merco Press was Argentine?
Timerman, incidentally, is the same man who accused the United States of operating torture schools, who helped provoke a crisis in U.S.-Argentine relations over a routine military-training exercise, and who reportedly offered to suspend the investigations of two Iranian-backed terrorist bombings in return for economic concessions from Tehran.)
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0First,the Explosion on the AMIA(A jewish institution),was proven,the explosion CAME from THE INSIDE!I know the civil engineers,who determined the explosion(incidentally,one of them is a Full time Proffessor in a university in Argentina,M.Sc, from Princeton U,PhD from Imperial College,London.
The Israeli embassy in Argentina,does not further the investigation,because apparently this explosion was an accident.The Iran connection has not been proven.So the Israelis are playing down the incident,and they do not want to talk.
And there are journalist that criticized this.Noo body has arrested anybody from this charges.
ere and I see exactly what Argentina is. Almost a dictatorship. What is it that you see? from what i read of your post you are not discribing Argentina but some other country”Really?
So cristina kirchner was put without elections....If the people are unhappy,we already kicked out dictators,civil governments,the brrtisi,who wanted to impose their imperial policies in Argentina....
So tell me what is democracy then???
Your stupidity are amazing...
it follows quite straightforwardly that Argentina is a failing democracy, no matter how much of a rightwing nutcase Darenblum happens to be.
Cut the crap jordao....
The powerful normally control the press.Now in the internet times..is difficult.
daremblum,he does not knows what he is taking about...
Just be serious...guys....Kirchner wons with 54% of the votes in an open election....and many people voted for her,and many are happy...May be there are imperfections in the democracy..but the people can kick them out anytime..
@ Malvinero1 SHUT UP
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no conspiracy happen in Argentina. Accidents but no conspiracy.
Lorton ...sorry Filippo.. shut up :-)
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinero1 SHUT UP
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no conspiracy happen in Argentina. Accidents but no conspiracy.
Who says conspiracy......
nd who reportedly offered to suspend the investigations of two Iranian-backed terrorist bombings in return for economic concessions from Tehran.)
He says about the Iranian bombing.... refereed to the AMIA.....
Poor fillippo....So that is democracy..If the people do not like them,just kick them out like De la Rua....
No, Malvinero, you are the one who is supposed to show all of us here where exactly Darenblum is wrong. An old tired slogan like “The powerful normally control the press” will not do. Besides, democracy is not an end in itself. Its value lies entirely in its being the most reliable method for safeguarding individual freedoms. When it does not serve this purpose, it should be considered to be malfunctioning. Could you please tell me why you think your country does not fall under this category?
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have pointed the inacuracies.So you are saying Argentine is not democratic jordao??
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have pointed,The Timmerman
that dispute continues, Britain should recognize Argentina's sabre-rattling for what it is: A transparent political ploy by an increasingly autocratic government whose domestic policies have reduced freedom, unleashed high inflation, sparked enormous capital flight, and created the conditions for an economic crisis.
Reduced freedom..In which way????Are journalist beign put in jail?
I feel extremely free in Argentina.I do not see the people demostrating for democracy..Are the people protesting for inflation???The people I have talked,voted for cristina...so because they consider,they are better off now than comapres with menem.....Do you want more democracy like that?
I think what he state is crap....Opinionated stuff..
He said sbre rattling?/ Strange for a country that has asked,very civilized to an imperial one-uk-for talks,since 1833,and 6 ivitation for arbitration....
He IS GARBAGE!
ok jordao..An NOO BODY brainwash me.....
It is all BS...No substance...
For DC to say that the Argentine's are colonialists beggars belief; Engalnd colonised the island back in the 19th C when England was at its colonial height.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Asking the islanders what they want sounds straightforward but is disengenuous; if you invade someone's land, evict the inhabitants, install your people and then ask your people what they want they are bound to say they want you!
Simple logic for most but this place is mostly frequented by idiots
I agree Galarga.Plantation what they call....Now if Argentina is doing something illegal,why does not uk called for a Security council?
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0MAybe also an UNGA resolutions...It seems they have no argument and everybody will laugh at them......Still 10 UNGA res that uk is not complying
Next it will be the LAN fligth cancellation....
And I think daremblum, Argentina should sue him and trow him in jail...for LIAR!!
No, Helber Galarga, the idiot here seems to be you, as it appears that you are incapable of realising that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. “If you invade someone's land, evict the inhabitants, install your people and then ask your people what they want they are bound to say they want you!” Could you please tell me what logically prohibits a descendant of the native Indians of Argentina from using exactly these words to demand that all Argentinians of European descent vacate the country? If a principle is true, you have to accept all of its consequences, not just the ones you find convenient. This is such a basic law of logic that those who cannot abide by it are rightly considered to be mentally impaired.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Err.... ljordao, the idiot again, and to no surprise, appears to be YOU!
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0indigenous peoples in Argentina, unlike what your post would lead us to believe, were NOT evicted! They were mistreated? Yes, but not evicted unlike what the English did with Malvinas in 1833.
Get your facts straight and then come back and join us.
So the United States, United Kingdom, France, Italy, and most other European powers must be mentally impaired then, because they fall victim to the very same hamartia of character you upbraid Argentina of indulging in, ljordao. They just do so in another sphere of Geopolitik.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0For a couple of centuries, virtually the entire “West” has at various times vilified iniquitous dictators they contemned and despised, using fustian bromides of standing up for the values of democracy in order to encourage their downfall. Yet simultaneously they mollycoddled and placated those that did their bidding! And in many cases the differences between dictator A and dictator B were exiguous: they both hailed from the same region (perhaps even have been abutting neighbors), they both were coeval in their rise to power, etc. Yet A was bad, B was good. Steadfast defenders of democracy?
“If a principle is true, you have to accept all of its consequences, not just the ones you find convenient. This is such a basic law of logic that those who cannot abide by it are rightly considered mentally impaired.”
Right?
But I would just label it criminal hypocrisy, which precludes them from any higher moral ground—in any discussion.
Or we can agree that the moral of the story is countries are not cynosures of probity, and will desert their principles on a dime when it is convenient.
Please let's stop either holding Argentina to a higher standard, or claiming other countries possess a higher standard. History is perspicuously clear, and a lot of the problems in today's world stem from this very fact.
26 Malvi
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like you said, it's only an international currency converter...
...hang on. Did you say INTERNATIONAL currency converter? That offers Falkland Islands Pounds? Interesting.
l'm damned sure l prefer TipsyThink to sober Think.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0He seems far more human! ♥
36 Helber Galarga
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's intentions towards the Falkland Islands are a type of colonialism. You want to take over a peaceful country that has nothing cuturally or racially in common with you, and doesn't share a language with you, completely against the will of its inhabitants.
In fact you want to impose alien subjugation and domination on us and deprive us of our chosen government, which is against the constitution of the UN.
And your reason? Because Britain expelled a small garrison of soldiers nearly 200 years ago, who probably shouldn't have been here anyway.
And then you say you will respect our interests but not our wishes, because you think you are a better judge of our interests than we are. What a shockingly colonialist attitude that is.
It also completely ignores the fact that Falkland Islanders would never willingly submit to Argentine rule. So what would you do to us? And how would it look for you when we kept turning up at the UN demanding our independence? Actually, we wouldn't have to keep turning up, because we would be granted independence by the UK before it ever came to that.
You really haven't thought it through, have you?
Monty:
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You talk of 'taking a territory that has nothing culturally or racially in common with you, and doesn't share a language with you, completely against he will of it inhabitants'. Gee, that sounds and awfully similar to what occurred in 1833.
You say 'that Argentina wants to impose domination on the colonists'. Well, if you know your history, you'd know that Argentina's claim to the islands is certainly strong. The treaty of Utrecht recognised Spanish sovereignty and this led to 40 years of Spanish occupation of the islands, which was reasserted in 1823 by Buenos Aires after its independence from Spain. Ten years later the islands were seized by force by Britain, and settlers sent out in a crude act of imperial aggression.
In fact, Argentina has continuously and uninterruptedly protested its right to the islands then and since, regularly registering it with the UN's decolonisation committee, supported by other post-imperial states in south and north America.
You say that 'that you'd be granted independence by the UK'. Is that the same UK that at the very time of the Malvinas war, was transferring Hong Kong to China on similar grounds of expediency, and her favourite minister, Nicholas Ridley, was seeking a negotiated compromise on the Malvians with Argentina at the UN? This was for a transfer of sovereignty over the islands to Buenos Aires with entrenched leaseback to Britain to administer them on behalf of the 1,800 islanders, who would retain their right to remain British.
As you can see, I have thought it through and there is plenty out there to back Argentina's legal claim on the islands.
Self determination you say? Well, Britain never gave the Hong Kong islanders a say in whether they would be handed over to Beijing. The fate of Gibraltar cannot be delegated entirely to the Gibraltarians . There is nothing special about the Falklands.
what they want they are bound to say they want you!” Could you please tell me what logically prohibits a descendant of the native Indians of Argentina from using exactly these words to demand that all Argentinians of European descent vacate the country? If a principle is true, you have to accept all of its consequences, not just the ones you find convenient. This is such a basic law of logic that those who cannot abide by it are rightly considered to be mentally impaired
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jordao; Your logic does not work....Did all the europeans evicted them???I think they are amongs them.They receive the same education has everybody else,they can elect their government...hardly an eviction.Anyway in international law,if somebody kick out from your home,and you do not complin for a long period it become yours.The brits try to pull that card,it is called prescription,unfortunately for them,does not apply,because of tthe continuous protest....
26 Malvi
Like you said, it's only an international currency converter...
...hang on. Did you say INTERNATIONAL currency converter? That offers Falkland Islands Pounds? Interesting.
Really? Here you have another link
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Anyway try to exchange the flk in Uruguay or Argentina..Even LAN does not list them has a currency....
HArdly anybody cares..foMalvinas
Argentina's intentions towards the Falkland Islands are a type of colonialism. You want to take over a peaceful country that has nothing cuturally or racially in common with you, and doesn't share a language with you, completely against the will of its inhabitants.
monty: Why do not ask your brits friend to call the UN security council....So if Argentina is harassing you...just call the Mercosur,UN etc..
You know why they will not call or take any legal action agains Argentina? Because they know since 1910 that Malvinass does not belong to them....
That is the reason always the brits avoid to go to court..6 invitation to arbitration......never wantet uk.
#44
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Treaty of Utrecht does not recognise Spanish sovereignty.
Spain never exercised its rights beyond the penal colony of Puerto Soledad, it certainly never exercised control as your own archives show that the French, British and Americans used the islands at will without interference.
And any Spanish rights were not transferred to Argentina.
Nor has Argentina continuously protested. In 1850, it signed the Convention of Settlement, settling its differences with the UK and was silent for 35 yrs. It wasn't raised in the Argentine Congress from 1850 till 1941 - 91 years. The current claim was revived in the 1930s.
And of course, the claim that the British expelled the “Argentine” settlement established by Vernet are, being polite as I can, bollocks. Vernet's settlement was established with permission from the British consulate - it was in fact Vernet who urged the British to send a permanent garrison.
And the usual red herring about Hong Kong. Hong Kong was leased, under an agreement we would return it after 99 years and we did. In addition, the FCO machinations were done on the basis they cared more about trade with Argentina than the interests of the islanders and as far as they were concerned trading “worthless” islands for improved relations was a good trade. This was nothing to do with recognition of Argentina's claim.
It was the British who suggest the ICJ as a route to have the legal basis of respective claims judged, its Argentina that doesn't have the balls to do so. Says everything really.
44 Helber Galarga
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As above, ditto etc.
It appears to escaped your notice that this isn't 1833.
Nothing that happened then excuses the human rights violation you wish to visit on us. Do you really think that a settled population of several thousand islanders, many of the 9th generation, in the 21st century, is of lesser importance that a few long dead Argentine soldiers in 1833? What kind of weird fantasy world are you living in?
You are still completely lacking any practical solution as to how you practically subjugate an unwilling population of British citizens who are used to running their own country and making their own legislation and deciding for themslves what is in their interests. What's your plan?
And we would be granted independence by the UK any time we asked for it, for the simple reason that this is what the UK has promised us. What they promised the Hong Kong residents is that they would be handed back to China after 99 years. And that is what happened.
Helber Galarga, you have just provided me with the the strongest evidence that you are either an idiot or a lying scoundrel. “Mistreatment” is too weak a word to describe what Argentina did to the native Indian population. “Ethnic cleansing” is the appropriate label. Those who were not evicted or dispossessed were murdered. Your attempt to sugar-coat this crime is pathetic. Besides, what happened in the Falklands in 1833 is by no manner of means in the same league, as the evicted party was merely a recently arrived garrison. Either you have ditched your moral compass or you do not know how to use it.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1970's my father responsible for helping to disappear many thousands of political traitors from this country but his work was undo by failiur of our coward military to win Las Mavlinas battle. But always remember that parents of disapeared were praising their government when we re-occupied Las Malvinas, this is proof that people believe in our country more than they care for their family. This is what make Argentine such strong country.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can be strong again, with all our might and all our passion directed at Las Malvinas and ignore all our problem at home, we can again be strong.
Never give in to English colonials because our blood is thicker than water and the blood of Las Malvinas I believe is black gold for which many of us with right connections can get very rich from.....
Here we go again.Pro-Brits posing as intelligent sensible people,carrying their smallpox infected blankets and trying to use argentina's indigenous people who have their own problem's,to help their case as repentant colonialist.If your colonial past is something you regret since it is now criticised,don't try to benefit from it.You colonised the Malvinas as your country has admitted.Now what can you offer your citizens if they do not wish to remain in an argentine territory under argentine rule.The same as you gave British citizens from Uganda under Amin.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What they can offer us is the right to determine our own future, and that is in fact what they have offered us. And as the administering power, that is in their gift.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not in an Argentine territory and we will not be under Argentine rule. I know you think you have the right to offer us either subjugation or ethnic cleansing, but you are not the administering power and are actually nothing to us but a noisy neighbour with delusions of their own importance.
@ 50 Yulen
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“smallpox blankets” = a lie. no one issued “smallpox blankets” to the Argentines or any Amerindians ever. There is NO, that is ZERO evidence for this. It is a lie.
You may just as well say, Argentina conspired to arm Neapolitan, it's over 200 years ago but then all claims to anything for Argentina goes back before their country even existed. There may be no evidence for it but, what the hell! It helps us paint them as the villains! Irrespective of its relevance 200 years later!
This is the mindset of a typical Argentine, having spent 6 miserable years living in Argentina and dealing with Argentine males, who make the average 6 year old in the UK seem mature, this is the what I've come to accept.
Their attitute to their resent history of genocide of their own youth, is either 1. don't talk about it or 2. they deserved it - they were terrorists. Nice, so it's ok to rape people and chuck their bodies out of the back of Argentine Air Force planes into the Atlantic Ocean, their families never to know the truth? Apparently, for the average Argentine, the truth is something they are incapable of dealing with. Making up reality is something they used to, it helps them deal with their mediocre lives.
The Falkland islanders have rights. They have the right to determine their own sovereignty. They know what Argentine democracy looks like. Every day that goes by, reinforces that view. killing them all may seem like a good idea to the average Argentine but realistically, in the court of world opinion it wouldn't work. The reality is no amount of force - short of genocide - can change that, therefore all the threats, all the name calling, all the jumping up and down in the world does nothing for the cause of Argentina other than make it look like some small child that has just thrown its dummy out of the pram.
Jo
“So the United States, United Kingdom, France, Italy, and most other European powers must be mentally impaired then, because they fall victim to the very same hamartia of character you upbraid Argentina of indulging in, ljordao. They just do so in another sphere of Geopolitik.” In the first place, mental impairment is not a character flaw. I have referred to those who are unable to abide by the most fundamental laws of logic, not to those who knowingly choose not to do so. In the second place, yes, all other nations have at one time or another fallen under the latter category. Fine, shame on all of them. But do you really expect me to believe that, because everyone else did X in the past, it is morally wrong to protest against Argentina's present attempt to do X? Do you realise that the wide acceptance of this principle would make moral progress absolutely impossible? In the third place, there is nothing inconsistent in my position. I am not holding Argentina to standards higher than those to which I hold other nations. I am holding it to standards higher than those to which other people have held other nations. I am responsible only for the uniformity of my standards. Your call to look at history is thus nothing but a red herring.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ljordao,
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your reply. First, if you do amdit to holding Argentina to a higher standard than others have held other nations, and Argentina falls short, then perhaps it is not entirely that country's fault. Maybe your standards were unrealistic and should re-examine them :)
Second, let's play Devil's advocate. I personally support the rights of the Falklanders to self-determination. Let's say Dilma comes out tomorrow and changes course and supports this as well. Let's say Piñera did so as well. The Falklanders would be incredibly grateful, no doubt; the UK copacetic about it also. And then:
“as it appears that you are incapable of realising that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.”
The day after tomorrow.... a confederation of Amazon Tribes stretching from western Matto Grosso into Amazonas and Acre demand the right to self-determination. What position would the denizens of the Falklands take on the matter? And what does Dilma do?
So many things to worry in this world and still the British waste their time to defend their sovereignty over a couple of islands their invaded in 1833, expelling the Argentininians there and putting their own settlers, who they ask now whether they want to become Argentinians or remain British.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British people should know that self-determination rights are only for natives, which “falklandres” are crearly not.
There are a bunch of twats on Florida now protesting over the Malvinas by throwing paint at the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation building. They have their faces covered. Clearly they are too stupid to hold down jobs or they would be otherwise occupied on a weekday.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you going to escape to frozen England?
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ple reason that this is what the UK has promised us. What they promised the Hong Kong residents is that they would be handed back to China after 99 years. And that is what happened.
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Is that the history they tell you in Malvina's monty?
HK was NOT ON A LEASE!The surrounding N Territories was a lease.HK Island and Kowloon were ceded on perpetuity.
Date Treaty Result
20 January 1841 Convention of Chuenpee Preliminary cession of Hong Kong Island to the United Kingdom
29 August 1842 Treaty of Nanjing Cession of Hong Kong Island, founded as a crown colony of the United Kingdom
18 October 1860 Convention of Beijing Cession of Kowloon (south of Boundary Street)
1 July 1898 Second Convention of Beijing Lease of the New Territories (including New Kowloon)
ANd the HK DID NOT WANTED TO GO TO CHINA,like 3 millions..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hong_Kong
Get history straight..
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Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol malviner you never cease to amaze me with how stupid and dumb you are, ”1 July 1898 Second Convention of Beijing Lease of the New Territories (including New Kowloon)” that kind of says it all really and confirms that yes the UK leased Hong Kong and New Kowloon from china. I suggest you read the wiki on the convetion i stated above as it makes it clear why it was unfeasible to return only the new kowloon land and not the whole of hong kong as it would have meant splitting the city in two.
Also you competely ignored the Sino-British Joint Declaration of 1985 - which basically explains all there is to know about the matter.
Referring to hong kong issue and using that to better your course over the falklands is illogical and originally hong kong was part of chine, yet the falklands were and have never been part of argentina so its a compeltely different situation.
just how far back are they willing to go, to get what they want,
Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps argentina can prove they climbe out of the tree first, and thuse have first pick on the falklands,
[you never know the ICJ may even agree with you]
I doubt it, but hey stranger things have happend .lol.
British people should know that self-determination rights are only for natives, which “falklandres” are crearly not
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mhr
This is absolute bollocks. The UN has never said anything of the kind. The UN would never say anything so ridiculous because several of the territories that are or were on the UN's NSGT list do not have native populations. Some never had native populations because they were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans.
What a lot of uneducated lying articles, these Argentines are!
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0They will say anything to get their own way, no matter whether it is the truth or not.
No, Argentina, no, you cannot have our land.
You donot own it & never did.
Feel free to:-
1) rant
2) rave
3) whine
4) scream like a child
5) cry(crocodile tears)
6) snivel
7) etc etc etc ad nauseum
BUT:-
There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty.
Got it? Gooooooood.
BUT:-
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty.
Got it? Gooooooood.
Really???
You will loose the battle...already a bankrupt country,will not put more money to “defend” you....remember Ridley in the '80???
Referring to hong kong issue and using that to better your course over the falklands is illogical and originally hong kong was part of chine, yet the falklands were and have never been part of argentina so its a compeltely different situation.
You a re a LIAR!!
MAlvinas was part of Argentina...
Just a lot of impotent noise from Argentina. Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 052# Not unexpectedly you confirm to British historical rigour.You will defend it's integrity by accusing others of lying.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/the Brits gave blankets to native Americans
2/the blankets carried smallpox
3/native americans were decimated by smallpox
4/the Brits did little to address the situation
I will pause there,because at the same time that this was occurring,the Brits did little to improve the Irish situation,and were also very active in the slave trade.
Returning to the matter of smallpox.
5/the Brits did not manifest any concern about the native Americans as they were having a lack of success in subjugating the native population.
And I am lying you say.tell me where the lies are.
Yuleno - I could tear Argentine history to pieces whilst adding lies, but I'm not going to. Your argument is petty and pathetic.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will always talk history but never the future. Stop thinking about the PAST and look to the FUTURE.
Inflation in Argentina is poor, corruption is widespread and murder rate is high (when compared to more developed countries). You would rather let your country fall into the abyss whilst trying to claim the Falkland Islands than actually sort out the real problems! It is just pathetic that your focus on this is stronger than anything else. It is this type of mentality that is shown by the Taliban. It must be terrible that you can be compared to people as backward as them! You must be deeply embarrassed.
1/the Brits gave blankets to native Americans
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please can you prove this statement,
please provide the evidence
please show me a document that states the british did this,
i want proof,
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show me proof, and you tell truth,,
no proof and you lie .
Briton - Their arguments are based on lies. They never use any facts or evidence.
Feb 03rd, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes me laugh! They still run on about their 'silly Falkland Islands claim' but will not comment on their inflation, corruption and crime problems. It just shows a total lack of morals and understanding!
@63Malvinero1,
Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think that you are mixing up what l said with someone else but that doesn't matter as l agree with them anyway.
The Falklands have NEVER been a part of Argentina, are NOT part now & NEVER will be.
So, no, l am not lying.
Get used to it, signor.♥
(67) and (68)
Feb 04th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another wasted opportunity for our “Price Turnips” Mr. Briton and Mr. BenC30 to keep quiet and avoid embarrassing themselves once again…………….
http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html
“A confederation of Amazon Tribes stretching from western Matto Grosso into Amazonas and Acre demand the right to self-determination. What position would the denizens of the Falklands take on the matter? And what does Dilma do?” Tobias, I cannot answer for the Kelpers. I can only tell you what Brazilians would do. As long as there were reliable guarantees that the individual rights of the non-Indian inhabitants would be constitutionally protected by the nascent country, the freedom-loving Brazilians would cheer this development. However, Dilma and her fans, statolaters to the core, would freak out and start blaming the CIA, the Mossad and the Illuminati for an unacceptable attempt at coup d'état.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 070 Think
Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…
to keep quiet and avoid embarrassing themselves once again.
Briton say’s..
On the same page, it reads= people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians
Yuleno says .
Native Americans were decimated by smallpox
[Eye] say..
Yuleno goes way over the top, it did not decimate all native Americans,
Only these at the fort, and this is north and not south, so strictly not correct,
But never let it be said, that [eye] Briton cannot apologise if deemed wrong,
And if I am wrong, then of course eye, apologise,
Another great British turnip, who knows how to be a gentleman,
In front of overwhelming odds, …lol.
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Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina had the islands how would they would change? Would they make them drive on the other side of the road or have signs in Spanish? ... Would they give the island people 1 million Dollars each as compensation?
Feb 05th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she would like it to be the first of many colonies .
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but as now they have to wait a hundred years,
perhaps the plastic airfix company could help out .
Argentines are not very bright, given the choice between fascism and democracy they have chosen fascism every time. Given the choice between American hegemony and being an independent nation, they have chosen America hegemony every time, characterised by its attendant secret police (NSA, CIA, Special Forces and other such gestapo trappings, including their own) and an attendant military or militant right government.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.
Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.
It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.
But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.
In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.
At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't..
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Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Judging by your post row78,you have enuogh imagination.It factual knowledge do seem to lack.You wont know argentina's history reading lonely planet guidebooks.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 row82
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The indocrinators may object to you,
But you are doing just fine,
You are entitled to say you piece .
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It doesn't sorprise me in absolut the so partial analysis that this ambassador is doing, firstly when mr darenblum argues that the government is using this cause, in order to distract people's mind from real problems, he must remembering actualy what your so loved baroness thatcher did, when her unpopular government decided to recover the islands.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont deny that we have serious problems, but mr darenblum is telling just the half of the question, he should review hes thought, and analyse if a woman who was reelected with the 54% of the votes, would need to use this cause, in order to distract people's mind, specially if we have an economy which expanded 9% in 2011, and it's forecasted to expand betwen 5 and 6% this year, despite the global crisis.
On the other hand, the anti terrorist law, had some corrections, and the social wont be repressed, respecting the inflation indexs, i wont put my hands on the fire nor for the indec, nor for any private analist, some of them showed very poor methods which are used to measure the inflation level, but beyond the controvery of the indexs, no one can deny that there are much more job oportunities than 10 or 20 years ago, beside, if we want to find the true reason of the inflation, we should talk about the oligopolic concentration that we have in the most important sectors of the economy, so it's not wrong if the state controls and sanctions them, on the other hand, i dont deny neather that the government has negative aspects too, but it's not as terrible as what is showed in the media.
Respecting the project that declares of public interest, the fabrication of paper, it will give the oportunity to all the newpapers, to have an equal acces to the prize of the paper, i dont know what kind of restriction to the freedom of press is that, like the oligopolic mediatic groups argue all the time. Like i said in planty of oportunities, dont buy so easily the partial information that you read in the newspapers.
on the other blog, you said your country had no crises,
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0make ya mind up .
A lot of pastes on here, Hi fillipo and Row82, can you either use your ownn words or think of something new each time you speak please, it's boring reading your same posts on each page I look.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0It make me laugh when us Europeans argue that there is no proof! where is the proof? the documents? etc.. when by now i'm sure we all know that us Europeans have continuosly fabricated the world history, over history to justify our (us Europeans) actions and make ourselves( each of our individuals countries) appear in a better light. Africans had been saing for hundreds of years that we all came from Africa origionally. But it wasn't until it was undoubtedly proven by scientists a few decades ago that us westerners admitted this, as the scientific proof had become too big to hide this fact. We have constantly lied about slavery. Being a younger subject and going through education more recently, it is becoming quickly more apparent to todays youth that these facts are known worldwide. Education in history lessons is drastically changing in England at least to admit these things, so to me these statements as I mentioned above seem, very stupid. And if you went back into a history class in a modern school in England you would understand what I mean. Just had to get that out of my mind thats all. Am not trying to argue with anyone, am just stating the facts.
BRITON,
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already said that i dont deny that we have problems, in fact, i mention them all the time, but the situation is not as terrible as what is signalized in the newspapers, that's why i will always say that we can't buy so easily the so partial information that is published in the media, no matter if most you agree or not with the government, there are not many newspares which analyse deeply the diferent questions.
we all have problems and debts, no one is immune, unless you happen to be a millionaire .
Feb 07th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine (#2) “He also excitedly asserted that 'Cameron is in a lot of trouble because he is so unpopular'. I am not sure where he is getting his information.”
Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is what “loyalists newspapers” inform.
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