MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Malvinas conflict is diplomatic: “unnecessary ostentation of firepower” from UK
Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli described UK’s announcement to send state of the art and latest incorporation to the Royal Navy HMS Dauntless, and according to the London press a nuclear powered submersible, to the disputed Falklands/Malvinas Islands as “an unnecessary ostentation of fire power” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPuricelli said he was convinced Argentina would recover the South Atlantic Islands before the end of the century,
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like a argos delivery estimate, am or pm :-)))))))
I agree. I think it is completely unnecessary for the UK to send a destroyer and now a nuclear submarine. the Argentine Gov't has gone to great lengths to make it clear it would NOT engage in warfare over Malvinas. The general populace of Argentina would not countenance the idea of another war over the islands.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems DC believes Argentina is governed by a military regime rather than a democratically elected one.
@2 Argentina is a flawed democracy (mis)governed by a fascist clique .... the end result is the same.....
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to hear that the general populace ( whoever they may be ) wouldn't countenance the idea of another war...because they know they would get a damned good thrashing.....
So why bother going down the whinge and moan road... it will never happen and the rest of the world really doesn't give a airborne foxtrot about argentina's claim...
Well signor Puricelli, the ship was sent there to make sure that your country behaved itself.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guess what? lt worked!
And you have been told before, you cannot “recover” something that you have never owned.
Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands so it is impossible for you to “recover” them.
lsn't that right, Helber?♥
I agree. I think it is completely unnecessary for the UK to send a destroyer and now a nuclear submarine. the Argentine Gov't has gone to great lengths to make it clear it would NOT engage in warfare over Malvinas.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0why do the Swiss have a army when —it has not been in a state of war internationally since 1815?
this is not about getting a thrashing Frank because the Gov't has made it clear it would not reclaim the islands through the use of violence. Now, if you enjoy war, well then talk it up mate. In my view, lives shouldn't be lost through warfare.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ stick it up your @rse
Well this not about having or not having toys to wage ware with. I believe the deployment was unnecessary as I have previously posted because it is another step to the brink. The whole area does not need that. We need calm head not flaunters.
That went well.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0One Prince (deployed), One Destroyer and One Submarine (On their way).
That was all it took.
And then Arty anticipates another 88 years of British Rule when most of us here now will all be dead and buried. Sounds like he has given up.
Here's a thought - in 88 years Argentina might not even exist.
stick it up your @rse
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0no need for that ;-)
You havent answered my question,why do the swiss have a army when they have not been in a state of war internationally since 1815?
The falklands was invaded 30 years ago, Argentina is being a bad neighbour we would be stupid not to have a token force down their to keep you argies from doing anything silly
Puricelli said he was convinced Argentina would recover the South Atlantic Islands before the end of the century, “since we have the support and commitment from the international community” ha, ha, ha ( :o) sorry about that).
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I will be gone long before that and so will this cowardly wop and the rest of the despicable bunch, even FatBoy and ThinGirl and probably their offspring (poor little bastards) as well.
Ah, Senor Arturo Puricelli wants the Falklands to remain undefended and then states ”we want the South Atlantic maritime front to be patrolled and protected by the Argentine Navy”, so whats good for Argentina is not good for the Falklands ? More Argentinian balderdash. He and the rest of Argentinian government seem to be making alot out of one unarmed rescue helicopter pilot,one ship on routine patrol and a rumour of a submarine. Also, if the Argentinian navy had to rescue any UK military personnel then they will be arrested and not treated like victims, but will become victims of Argentinian beligerance.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0From my European point of view the arg government handles the Malvinas conflict in the same manner as the military regime: They want to devert the Argentine people from the financial and commercial problems arising this and next year due to high inflation and less income and instigate fears for a military conflict from outside - in this case the UK.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0So they can handle their new “terror laws” better and easier. The new government knows that it cannot go ahaed with spendings as usual the last 4 years. After having “bought” the people for another 4 years period with lucrative promises they can do what they want to keep their power. Poor Argentina!
What a load of nonsense we hear coming from the pink house. “we have no intention of turning this into a military situation” LOL! Everyone knows that's only because you can't turn it into a military contest. If you thought for one minute you could, you would. The problem is that you are impotent. You'd send your air force except you can't get it up!
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you only want to pursue peaceful means why do your old fatigued fast jets continue to force the RAF to scramble its Typhoons in response to approaches to our exclusion zone? Dangerous game that one kiddies.
So before the end of the century huh? So soon? I'd better think twice about building my extension then. It sounds like Argentina will be here any time. Ha ha. You were going to get the Falklands before the end of last century also. Keep saying it and eventually you'll be right.
Like I said yesterday. If you Argentines love the islands so much how come none of you apply to work and live here? You are entitled to under the July 99 agreement. Even though Argentina has reneged on some of its obligations of that agreement we so far haven't. Stopping LAN will be a further breach of the agreement.
Still those oil workers continue backwards and forwards between the UK and the Falklands and the black gold gets closer and closer.
End of the century .... hmm, optimistic I suspect :-)
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They (UK) want to militarize the South Atlantic. We, Argentina and South America are telling the UK we don’t want to militarize the South Atlantic, we don’t want to contaminate it, we want the South Atlantic maritime front to be patrolled and protected by the Argentine Navy”, underlined the Defence minister.2
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say pot calling the kettle black - They say we are militarizing the flaklands, I say we are simply replacing one naval asset with another, and its perfectly reasonable to build newer ships with newer technology and weaponary to replace older ships that are becoming obsolete, its our right to do so in order to maintian our defense capabilities. As for the nuclear sub, well theres usually one down there the majority of the time since 1982. What we do to protect our sovereign territory in the face of an aggressive neighbour who invaded back in 1982 (after saying they would not use force prior to the invasion, but diplomacy back then too), is non of argentinas buisness.
They want us out of the south atlantic so their own navy can patrol the south atlantic, well they already can, so long as they stay out of the flaklands waters, but really what they are saying is they want to militarixe the south atlantic with their own navy, hence why they are making such a big fuss over the british defensive military assets on and patroling the falklands waters, which it has every right to do since its british territory.
End of the century .... hmm, optimistic I suspect :-)
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
And a bankrupt country,with no hope...Ahahahahah
No Mr Puricelli,uk will turn MAlvinas well before that......
uk IS FINISHED!!!!
It is the pinnacle of Stupidity!!
Oh Malvi, you really are special aren't you! The UK is bankrupt and Argentina has a military. What does Mr Puricelli do all day as defence minister? Surely he must have another portfolio to keep him busy does he?
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 015 Malvinero1
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you The Old Wop “is the pinnacle of Stupidity!!”
Why don't ARG, Iranians, N Koreans, (put in any radical regime) understand that words start wars, repeated provocations start wars, blockades start wars, etc etc. They start something then claim to be innocent bystanders when there is an escalation. It is very stupid, with the sub and destroyer Arg would be finished before it even left port or the ground.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing worse for an Argentinian than to be shown as weak. As soon as there is a little strength shown by the opposing side they back down and cower. (btw it happens in business meetings too all bark no bite)
Cue “Rule Britannia!”
From Jayne Bodkin on another thread
Feb 05th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/editorials/view/20220205time_to_back_britain
2 Helber Galarga
Feb 05th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The general populace of Argentina would not countenance the idea of another war over the islands.
Yes they would. What are you taking about. everyone is conditioned to believe the islands are Argentine and going to war would seem fine to the populas.
@2 & 6 You're funny. Up until around 30 years ago, we used to send out 40 Royal Marines every 6 months to relieve the previous party and a survey ship used to sail around the area. Then something or other happened and we decided that the number of military personnel should be increased. Do you remember what happened or could you look it up please?
Feb 05th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure that you've noticed that we now have a patrol vessel that sails around the area all the time. And the Royal Navy now has a lottery in which the first prize is a 6-month foreign holiday for an entire ship's crew. All these things are expensive. I wonder why we do it. Any idea?
Did you know that, in 1976, a certain South American country set up a naval station on territory that belonged to someone else? Can you imagine?
You say that “We need calm heads not flaunters.” Do you recognise these words?
“First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
Would you call that “flaunting”?
Actually, your views don't matter very much. But there's a group of more than 3,000 people whose views DO matter. Seems they like watching grey ships and fast grey aircraft. They also like black boats. And you know what we're like. If we possibly can, we like to give OUR people on OUR Islands what they like.
@15 Finished? And how many 8,000 ton warships do you lot have? OR. How many £125 million aircraft capable of 1,550 mph have YOU got? OR, to put it another way, how many 5,300 or 7,400 tonne “boats” do you have? Beware. Our things don't go “bump” in the night. They go BANG!!!
“eliminating all military content”
Feb 05th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While imposing blockades, harrasing fishing vessels, destroying Squid stocks and regularly trying to penetrate Falklands air space.
“don’t want to militarize the South Atlantic”
Except with the Argie navy.
Argentina will usurp the Falklands, “before the end of this century”
More chance of getting handcuffed to a Ghost.
It is no business of Argentina what the British do, in British South Atlantic Territorys.
@ 2 Helber Galarga
Feb 05th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what are all those morons dressed up like PLO terrorists doing burning and vandalizing multi-national businesses in Buenos Aires doing?
Just one other question, how many of those rioters and looters attacking multi-national businesses (Bp is 68% owned by American and other non British shareholders, HSBC is at least 50% owned by non British shareholders) were arrested?
How probable therefore is it that these hooded anonymous people were in fact Argentine provocateurs from the security forces?
That's what I believe.
Your country has been saber rattling every since Kirchner went into the menopause.
“How probable therefore is it that these hooded anonymous people were in fact Argentine provocateurs from the security forces?”
Feb 05th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, just look at the identical mass hand out of head scarfs, and identical mass hand out of wooden sticks. if they were not an organised mob, then they would not have identical head scarfs or indentical pieces of wood.
LOL doesn't want to militarize the south Atlantic :)
Feb 05th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/05/29/argentina-announces-malvinas-sovereignty-presence-with-patrol-vessels
What about the military deployments to Antarctica Senor Celery, nothing about the deployment 5 years ago of several TAM tanks to test their effectiveness in Antarctica :) In fact aren't most of 165 or Argies in Antarctic bases military personnel.....Looks who militarizing now.
From Jayne Bodkin on another thread
Feb 05th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure sticky,but the reality is THIS:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8571442/Britain-can-do-nothing-to-prevent-Argentina-retaking-Falkland-Islands.html
US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head
The head of the Royal Navy Task Force that recovered the Falkland Islands during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict has warned about UK defense cuts and underlined that United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since a stable Argentina is more important to the State Department.
Bye bye looser...
You are spending YOUR MONEY,(which you do not have)and we Spend Nothing!!
Who is the stupidiest???
“Who is the stupidiest???”
Feb 05th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You.
@26
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you feeling lucky then punk?
it doesnt really matter what some argie MP says.. its our islands , our waters..we can do what ever we want
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 06 :-))
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stick up your junta = @ stick it up your @rse
“we don’t want to militarize the South Atlantic, we don’t want to contaminate it, we want the South Atlantic maritime front to be patrolled and protected by the Argentine Navy”
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So a South Atlantic patrolled by the ARA isn't militarised?
Anybody who knows anything about the real Argentine history(as compared to the fictitious one they keep on changing) knows that they are the Neighbour from Hell.It is not just the Falklands who have been at the receiving end of their bullying and aggression.All their neighbours have been at one time or another and especially Chile and Uruguay. Poor President Mujica doesn't seem to know what to do to satisfy the Plastic Queen.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great job Cameron for trying to convince India to buy your useless jets.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will Cameron reroute his sub to India?
Sunday 05 February 2012
“India tells Britain: We don't want your aid”
”India’s Finance Minister has said that his country “does not require” British aid, describing it as “peanuts”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9061844/India-tells-Britain-We-dont-want-your-aid.html
I think it says it all that the only real fervent supporters Argentina has in its bullying and intimidation of the Falkland Islands is Chavez,Castro and Ahmadinejad. All its other supporters say yes and mean no.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been reading some posts on La Nacion via Google Chrome translater and while all don't make sense I am surprised at how many Argentineans say leave the Falklands alone or another common one is where Argentina went wrong is not becoming a British colony. Just think if they had they could have been like Australia or Canada. Having been fooled by the Bliar 'never had it so good propaganda' I recognise something similar is about to happen to the Argentinian economic miracle . Argentina is just too unstable no wonder the Falklanders don't want anything to do with it.
@34
Feb 05th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is what psychotic nationalism can do to a nation. argentina, instead of working to achieve great things merely assumed it was automatically great, and demanded the world bow to it's greatness while having nothing to show for it
when the world ignored them, argentina could not bear the thought of not being respected so it convinced itself it was all due to the machinations of the evil communists/chileans/brits, and thus instead of working to make the nation better, they worked to strike out at these imaginary enemies while endlessly drilling their supposed “divine greatness” into the minds of the young
thus creating a deeply brainwashed, bitter, and self obsessed people, whose delusions of grandeur are matched only by their obsessive hatred of any who threaten their delusions
pretty pathetic sure, but a potent warning for any nation against nationalism
Britain begged India to take aid!
Feb 05th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British aid is designed to keep the poor poor, so they can continue their control.
No more.
“Andrew Mitchell, saying that Britain’s aid to Delhi was partly “about seeking to sell Typhoon.”
According to a leaked memo
”officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain
Send Prince Harry Cameron!
Words of Jorge Lanata, an Argentine that clearly understands the meaning of common sense:
Feb 05th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina's policy towards the Malvinas is insane, erratic, senseless...Blocking the ports is more of the same madness...Argentina needs to integrate the islands, not isolate them. We have to face up to the fact that we lost the war. Malvinas is not part of Argentina; it is part of our imagination. We're so blinded by years of rhetoric that we can't see reality.”
37 wamklord
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you find that? Very interesting.
Now just wait for Dumb and Dumber, the Three Stooges, the Jerk, etc. come out and explain why Jorge is so wrong. Oh and let's see if they insist that Jorge takes the Spanish test. Last time I saw that in action it went spectacularly wrong when it was put to the Argentine lawyer AG Cowes (who contributes to these threads) that his Spanish was so bad he was obviously English.
tuesday mates...this is the day
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stay tuned at 1900h and have fun...listen carefully to CFK words
39 Billy Hayes
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please ask CFK to be quick. Eastenders is on a 7.30pm.
1. Comment
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. poor argie polititician , they know they have to give what they promised, and cant,
3. so to convince the masses that they were and are not lying, they now indoctrinated them into the belief that the Falklands will be theirs in a hundred years time,
4. how fantastic is that, but hey as long as the brain dead excepts this, then all will be ok,
5. sadly he forget to tell the masses that you will be lucky to find less than a hundred Argentineans alive in a hundred years time, that are alive today,
perhaps we can then say, the argie bloggers will still be here in a hundred years time .lol.
Where did you find that? Very interesting
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/28/falkland-islands-belong-argentina
Lanata believes that the revival of the sovereignty claim is a smokescreen for the belt-tightening the government is having to enforce after almost nine years of uninterrupted growth. “It's no coincidence, this is the first time in history that a Peronist government has had to put austerity measures in place – they don't know how to do it.”
“Who is the stupidiest???”
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You.28 stick up your junta (#)
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:34 pm
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@26
Are you feeling lucky then punk?
Sure,sure,brits looser,LAnata is one,many other,a lot smarter than him(lanata is a sick man,BTW,physically sick with a dialisys machine)..
The one who spend the money is uk.
Now if you think Argentina is doing anything illegal,tell uk to call the UN security Council...or get a new UNGA res..So far the only one with illegal actions is uk..Nothing ilegall from Argentina...
Bye bye loosers....keep spending your tax money,foolishly..
I do not care....Many brits care about their tax money...
For all these garbage: The brits loosers,I have this:AHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!
@43
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its that time again Malv,get your dose :-))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MjWBInGZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MjWBInGZ0
The problem for the Argies is that the Anglosphere is the dominant world order ( spread all over the world and on every ocean) and is likely to remain so despite the rise of China. The Hispanosphere is confined to Latin America and the Iberian Peninsula and split between Spanish and Portuguese. Argentina is situated at the arse end of Latin America where nobody usually goes.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chinese are smart and realise this and so in their rankings of comprehensive world power rate Britain at number 2 ( after the US).It is only a matter of time that flights go to the Falklands from South Africa and over the pole from New Zealand and Australia . Modern planes are flying well beyond those distances already. Basil Read (South African ) is building the airport on Saint Helena and perhaps the road resurfacing contract on the Falklands when it occurs.
Another new aspect is that major Commonwealth leaders are coming out in favour of Britain over the Falklands. Canada's Steven Harper has done so already.This year is the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812 where Britain protected its infant colony Canada from the renegade USA so there are going to be lots of pro UK speaches coming from Canada this year.
Argentina seems to be going down the same dead end as Russia in its relations with the west.It is time for Argentina to grow up,.
was their not talk of forming a comonwealth navy, some time ago,
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arturo Puricelli should listen to his minister of the navy who stood up in the Argentine parliament and said that of 64 ships in the navy only 16 are servicable and they have enough ammunition for a 2 hour battle !! !! This is why the UK only sent one warship and 'Billy the Conker' is there to pick up the Argentine survivors.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only 16 are servicable
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 are rowing boats
2 canoes
and two airfix destroyers.
@2 Helber Galarga
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The despatch of HMS Dauntless is a perfectly normal deployement, particularly in times of hightened tension. She is'nt really configured to deliver long range attacks (I'm not giving anything away by moaning about how the Morons in Labour and then the Goldfish Conservatives refused to pay for her and her sisters to be fitted with Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASW torpedo tubes). However she is an excellent defensive asset.
Complain as much as you like - she can go anywhere she wants. We don't have to consult you about moving our units to protect our people. We have freedom of the seas.
We know that you're a democratic nation, but that does'nt affect our lack of faith in your countries good will, you have stabbed us in the back before.
Much as I hope you are right about Argentine intentions it would be stupid of us not to plan for the worse, we have to assume that CFK intends some sort of action. Politicians are known to lie, and CFK knows that a successful action in the Falklands would see her lionised for all time in Argentina.
People have been known to start wars for less.
I also happen to believe that you would launch an invasion if you thought you could sieze the Falklands easily. The presence of HMS Dauntless and an SSN makes such an operation unlikely to succeed without severe loss. If you like peace, I hope your govt takes note of our intention to defend ourselves.
only 16 are servicable
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 are rowing boats
2 canoes
and two airfix destroyers
AHAAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHA still uk is spending the MONEY!! And you know what?? uk IS BANKRUPT!!!
IMBECILES!!!
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHHHHAHA
What a loosers!!
uk IS BANKRUPT
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then perhaps your rich country would lend us a couple of bob,
[no]
i thought not,
as there bankrupt as well .
uk IS BANKRUPT
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then perhaps your rich country would lend us a couple of bob,
[no]
i thought not,
as there bankrupt as well
Oh the chimp writes again!!!
Miracle!!
britton: AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
keep spending,IDIOT!!
and what is wrong with the chimp
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does not malvino decent from the chimp, or at the very least, related to it,
you leave the chimps alone,
you just stick with your airfix navy,
nice grey colour, well built , cheap for countries that cannot afford the real thing,
looks good in the bath, when you do a review,
cheap to run,
and looks very impressive on the mantle piece,
and no chimps to knock them over,
ahhtishoooo..
There's an ongoing “continuity of government” claim by argentinians, based on a supposed “continuation of the Spanish Viceroyalty of the River Plate”.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When “argentina” (or whatever name it was called) repudiated the Spanish Empire, in the “revolution of May 1810”, it effectively ceased to “belong” to Spain, right?
Many of the “powers” of the Spanish government which was based in Buenos Aires were transferred to Montevideo, which remained loyal to Spain at least until november 1811. So we can say that effective Spanish rule continued to exist over the South Altantic (Falkland Islands included) from the harbour of Montevideo. To be clear, Spain continued to exist in the South Atlantic while “argentina” or whatever entity had already parted ways with her.
And beyond that subtlety, the Falkland Islands had always had direct dependency from the “Capitanía de Puerto” of Montevideo during the effective rule of the “Virreinato del Rio de la Plata”, never from “Buenos Aires”. This Capitanía kept existing in Montevideo after “Revolución de mayo”.
Therefore, should the Falkland Islands be “Spanish”, the “successor” would be whatever authority you'd recognise to today's Harbour of Montevideo (be it the remains of the viceroyalty, the Federal League, the Cisplatina province, the Estado Oriental, or nowadays Oriental Republic of Uruguay - if you'd like to think of such thing as continuity of government or legal entities...), but never argentina. As a part of the viceroyalty of the River Plate, argentina has no better claim to the islands than Bolivia, Paraguay or Chile
However, and for the best interest of Uruguay (considering old history, recent history and current events concerning argentina constantly bullying Uruguay), dear Falklanders don't bother to hand the Falklands back to us, we are happy having you and the British Empire in the South Atlantic, together with (whenever possible) the British fleet showing around in the South Atlantic and the River Plate.
It is a shame that Argentina is floating round in cloud cuckoo land as regards its own self importance and its position in the world . The economic boom is already showing signs of having been a mirage.If history is a guide I would advise Mrs Kirchner to have her helicopter ready in about 2 to 3 years.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Britain it is true that the country has been in decline since probably before World War 1 and speeded up after WW2. The main time of decline was probably the late 40s to the 60s. The wars contributed to the decline. Never was Britain in such a bad position economically and socially as then.Britain has been there before many times in its long history.
The position now is that in all probability the eurozone will fall apart to a greater or lesser extent and Britain will be damaged by this. In comparison to WW2 it will be a fleabite.Britain will be the best placed of the European countries to recover.As for this Argentinian problem that again is a fleabite compared to fights for survival that have gone before.
It is obvious that nobody in the Argentinian Government has read any British history books. They are too busy concocting a ' Hollywoodised' version of their own which has very little relation to reality.
As for the US ; that is a country in a painful decline which it never thought would happen. What can it do about it?
The obvious thing is to establish stronger links with other similar countries; the Anglosphere and Europe. This is already happening.
One of the main American war and post war aims was to destroy the power of the European empires; Britain in particular.General Eisenhower was one of the main actors at that time and helped weaken Britain especially at the time of Suez. He later admitted that that was by far the worst mistake he ever made.
America feels threatened by the rise of China . The world is again becoming a very dangerous place and it is only natural that like minded people stick together.
TWIMC
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I luuuv the measured response from the British Empire to Argentinean provocations….:
Someone burns a Union flag in Buenos Aires…..
They send their best destroyer to visit us…
Someone throws a paint bomb against a half British bank….
They send one nuclear submarine to visit us….
Well………….
I have in my possession a whole crate of Timothy Taylor Landlord and I intend to pour one bottle a day down the drain until you Brits give us our Malvinas back!
I look forward to a full British invasion of Argentina by tomorrow morning.
(Relax Mr. Lorton, I’m just bluffing ;-)
As Argentina was not given independence, [am I right or wrong]
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She effectively beat the Spanish, and thus claim what was hers,
Surely in the same context, as Britain beat the Spanish before Argentina, should not the spoils go to the victor, including the Falklands?
Justa thought..
Phew - thank the Lord :-)
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's called Gunboat Diplomacy Think. It worked for Palmerston, so Cameron is giving it a try.
After all, between 2 bald men an heir is worth a fortune ........ very embarrasing if we lost one :-)
We all know Britain is in decline,
Feb 05th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly it does not help when we have stupid greedy self indulging corrupt politicians who keep giving our hard earned money away, to every tom –dick-or Harry,
An American once said, that Britain was a nation of lions, led by donkeys,
And nothing has changed much over the decades,
A shame then, we could not find a nation of donkeys led by lions,
Then we can borrow the lions to lead us back to prosperity,
Lion king perhaps,
Justa joker .
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The main British decline was several decades ago. I am often surprised at how prominent Britain still is in arts,films, ideas , inventions and science and even when getting involved in various American led adventures. There used to be an expression 'God is an Englishman' and despite the decline Britain is still in the top few. I do think that the US decline will make them value their real friends much more than they have in the past and this can only benefit Britain provided Britain can make up its mind what it wants.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina may be the 8th largest country in physical size but mentally it is a 6 year old child prone to hysterics. It is a shame because I read somewhere that Argentine women are some of the most beautiful in the world.Maybe the President and the new Argie Ambassador to London are the exception to the rule.
59 briton
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0quote: “An American once said, that Britain was a nation of lions, led by donkeys”
That was the German Max Hoffmann referring to British WW1 Generals (donkeys) known for sending the soldiers (lions) over the top in mass wave assaults against barbed wire and machines guns. he would have had a great point, if German generals hadn't used the same tactics.
Argentine though I do not live there long, I just make a few comments, I understand that the citizens of the “Malvinas” do not feel at all identified with Argentina for the Argentine government, the “Malvinas” was always a forgotten and neglected its inhabitants, nearest to the continental shelf is logical that belong to Argentina, but the story and the facts say it is not so, I have never been there, but I would like. My advice to you as citizens of the islands, is that demand their complete independence from the British Crown, is not just being manipulated by one or the other, and the Argentines are less interested in Malvinas or the British in the Falklands, just interested in having a checkpoint south towards the Atlantic and perhaps hejemonía in decisions about Antarctica, the citizens of the islands are simply an excuse to be there, and for the Argentines just a smokescreen to cover the vast amount of problems facing the continent, unfortunately for me I can tell you that many Argentines are very honest, hard working, peaceful, educated, but unfortunately the problems facing our country are political, sad and regrettable military governments that have murdered his own people with the help of Henry Kissinger, and now corrupt and demagogic governments that do not understand and love their nation or its citizens.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I send a greeting and as Argentine respect freedom of choice of you as citizens of the islands. I wish we had a more enclosed and good neighbors who can enter and leave the islands or the mainland and neighboring countries if it were alone.
So what does Puricelli think about the “unnecessary ostentation of fire power” that Chile maintains in the south......... they obviously think that RGland is run by dangerous and unpredicable nutters as well....
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines are not very bright, given the choice between fascism and democracy they have chosen fascism every time. Given the choice between American hegemony and being an independent nation, they have chosen America hegemony every time, characterised by its attendant secret police (NSA, CIA, Special Forces and other such gestapo trappings, including their own) and an attendant military or militant right government.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.
Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.
It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.
But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.
In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.
At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't..
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/argentinas-faulty-view-of-history/
Feb 06th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0faulty history :-)
7 Be serious (#)
Feb 06th, 2012 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a thought - in 88 years Argentina might not even exist.
In less than 20 - guaranteed!
I've been saying this repeatedly here, but I'll say it again, because it's worth repeating, and here's why.
Here's the breakdown:
Today one of the great themes among the major players is - resource scarcity.
The players are, USA, European Union, Russia, China, India, S.Korea, and Japan.
They are all feeling the strain of resource scarcity, and this is sending them in search of resource rich areas of the world.
Argentina is one of those places.
Argentina on the other hand has the following:
Lots of resources (soya, water, copper, LAND, etc.)
No military
A Corrupt Government (from head to toe, right down to the dirt in the toenails)
And an apathetic, dislocated, unorganized, and dysfunctional and equally corrupt populace.
Actually, the day of the invasion is over. Those countries are already buying up Argentina. The best description of Argentina is - A senile, sitting duck whose end is near.
In short we have a two groups about to meeting throughout the world today.
The first is a cartel of well-organized, very rich, and extremely powerful countries beginning to feel the strain of resource scarcity,
versus
a motley crew of resource rich parts of the world that are completely unorganized, poor and corrupt.
And the winner is......
That's the 21st century for you in a nutshell folks.
The greatest divide in the world today is NOT between rich and poor, it is between those who have mastered science and those who haven't.
The science rich are resource scarce
while the resource rich are science poor.
No match, simply no match.
This is about survival folks and Argentina is on the losing side.
It's as simple as that.
Sadly, the majority of Argentinians are obselete and inconsequential.
Let the boludos jaba jaba all they want.
Their complaints amount to the mutterings of a dying carcass on the side of the road about to kick the bucket.
I can only apologize for my country, I did not vote for her, she does not represent any Argentines I know. Our President is way out of her depth and making a mockery out of Argentine and Latin American politics.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0To most people here the Falklands / Malvinas are an irrelevance, people are far more concerned about pay, the economy, corruption and day to day living. It is a very good distraction for a very poor government. It's all they have to say and I don't want to hear it any more.
I would wish the people of the Falklands all the best and assure them we are not all mentally retarded or poorly educated and the scenes you see of hooded youths smashing business up are most probably belonging to our military!
FFS! Even commonwealth members are supporting Argentina's request to sit down and negotiate with the UK.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talk about getting back stabbed *lol*
Sadly, the majority of Argentinians are obselete and inconsequential.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let the boludos jaba jaba all they want.
Their complaints amount to the mutterings of a dying carcass on the side of the road about to kick the bucket.
catagone: AHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
@ Benito!
Feb 06th, 2012 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where are you getting your information from Benito? The sewer?
You are dead wrong when you say that:
“to most people the Malvinas are an irrelevant”To most people here the Falklands / Malvinas are an irrelevance, people are far more concerned about pay, the economy, corruption and day to day living. It is a very good distraction for a very poor government.”
In fact, the BBC (you could hardly claim they are pro-Argentine or biased) in a recent article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16858268) state that:
Pollster Ibarometro says support among Argentines for the country's claim to the islands is traditionally at about 65-70%, but that Mr Cameron's comments boosted that to nearly 74%.
Ibarometro's director Pablo Lopez also says that there is growing support for the government's more aggressive approach.
“Since 2009, backing for the government's strategy has jumped from about 40% to 67%,” he says.
As to your other ill-informed claim that:
“It is a very good distraction for a very poor government.”
Where do you live Benito? In a flask?
CFK has just been re-elected with strong support (in case you missed it, 54% of the votes with the second runner 17 points behind), the economy is growing and her popularity is high. Why would she need to distract? In fact, if she were to follow the old adage of “if things are good leave them as they are”, she would not have confronted the UK regarding Malvinas as she has!
As Atilio Boron has accurately pointed out:
“It is David Cameron who is trying to deflect attention from domestic issues. The UK's economy is no better than Argentina's. It was not Buenos Aires that had social unrest and riots last year, but London.”
I think your dislike or hate of the Gov't Benito, precluds you from assessing things objectively. Now, you have every right to hate or dislike CFK! What you cannot do is spew rubbish and think you can get away with it.
And yet you spew rubbish, Helter Skelter ??
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever #71
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0take it up with the BBC.
last time I checked they were British ;)
@70 Helber Galarga,
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats this? Dissention in the ranks? We can't have this, can we Helber?
You know that the man is right, Helber*looks skywards while rolling baby blue eyes*
As l said once before, lts a brave Argentine who bucks the party line.
@67 Benito,
Thank you, sir.
l salute you♥
Hi Isolde, you may have to re-read the last paragraph of my post to see how misguided your post is when addressing me.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not so, señor.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0As l said, he's a brave man for even “daring”to oppose you deluded malvinistas, ffs.
He does not spew any rubbish that l can see.
However, you do.
IHelber, f you believe the BBC supports the Argentine claim you are clearly as stupid as Malvi, Marcos and the rest of the Mercopress goons.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0** 60 strategic
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK history :
1700...1785 ....goldon age
1785...1820 ... falling
1820...1900 ... steady recession
1900...1940 ...light healing
1940 ...today .... lowering down....
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didn't you ever hear “” to combat in collusion “”....
this is one of the tactics/parts of general strategy....
the ongoing disputes on these islands between Argentina/UK
validates this description.....
@ M_of_FI
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0f you believe the BBC supports the Argentine claim you are clearly as stupid as Malvi, Marcos and the rest of the Mercopress goons.
what part of “you could hardly claim they are pro-Argentine” are you having problems grappling with?
Would you like me to draw it for you so that you can understand the phrase?
56 Think
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are entertained by Argentina choosing now to complain about something that has barely changed for 30 years.
There is almost always a nuclear submarine around these parts.
There is always a warship or two.
Are you telling me you've only just noticed?
No I thought not, it which case it's just another in a long line of Argentine lies and distortions. Britain is not 'militarizing' the South Atlantic. Argentina did that in 1982.
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Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0#70 “Pollster Ibarometro says support among Argentines for the country's claim to the islands is traditionally at about 65-70%, but that Mr Cameron's comments boosted that to nearly 74%.”
Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just one small point, you see the word above “traditionally” i suggest you research the meaning of the word and then read what the above is saying in the correct context. Because what it is really saying is that hsitorically 65-70% of say 1,000 asked in the poll supported the claim form the falklands. 1,000 people out of 40 million is not an accurate result for you or anyone to use as a claim that the majority of the 40 million population support argentinas claim to the islands, expecially when 2 thirds of those eligible to vote did not even vote. Which would suggest those 2 thirds do not support CFK and likely do not support the idea that the islands are argentine either. Plus the 40 odd percent that did vote against CFK do not likely support the argentina claim for the islands either.
@ Teaboy2
Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 01,000 people out of 40 million is not an accurate result for you or anyone to use as a claim that the majority of the 40 million population support argentinas claim to the islands,
Do you even know what a poll is and how they are designed and undertaken?
They are meant to be REPRESENTATIVE of the totality of the population with a margin of error. That is because it would be unfeasible to undertake a poll where you actually consult every single inhabitant to reach the 40 million.
Mate, seriously....
this is NOT rocket science.
Ergo, the poll is representative and it clearly indicates (without having consulted 40 million people) that a majority of Argentines DO SUPPORT Argentina's claim!
But seriously, did you really think a minority of Argentines would support Argentina's claims to the Malvinas? Where do you live? In a basement?
There is almost always a nuclear submarine around these parts.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is always a warship or two.
Really monty? It is time for Argentina to send a sub close to uk then..Fair is fair
I'm sure you would if you had one.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 070 Helber Galarga -
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sovereignty belongs to the people who live in the Malvinas, not to Argentina, or Argentines who have never lived there and would never want to live there.
Where are you getting your information from Helber? The TV, radio, newspapers, the government? All mouthpieces for the establishment.
I asked you where your American friends were in the history of Argentina? School of Americas? CIA? Operation Condor? Coups? Plots? Assassinations? Drug Wars? Corporate domination of Latin America. Read “Economic Hit Man”. Read!
Unlike you I do not trust any government, our own, American, British. What counts are ordinary people and the sooner we learn that the people of the Malvinas have a right to determine what flag they wish to live under the better.
Of course they choose Britain, we have pushed them right into the arms of Britain. We have threatened their existence since 1932, landed hijacked planes on their airport, invaded their islands. That's right, “their” islands, not ours. Without the constant threats and hate directed at these people they would probably be part of Argentina long ago. How would you feel if this was in reverse?
Their sovereignty and their flag is of no business of our government. If you can excuses an armed invasion of another sovereign territory, previously at peace, against the wishes of the people who live there, imposing our laws, our language, our currency and our military junta (the same junta that killed so many of our own people) on them, you can excuses almost anything and we have time and time again.
You wonder why we have such levels of corruption and bad governance? Why our economy is such a mess? Why despite so much raw resources we can not produce a decent balance of trade? Why we have such mediocre leaders, incapable of diplomacy, only good at delivering disinformation and lies? Because, we are used to it, because we know no better, because it is a standard we have come to accept and feel as normal!
@#82
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am more than aware of what a poll is, but anyone that takes the outcome of a poll where only 1,000 people are asked the question, and uses that outcome as a respsentative fact that over the whole populations opinion, is likely to be surprised when the end result is different for the result in a poll's. It doesn not take a genius (or rocket scientist) to work out the the if you were to question the entire population that it would like bring a different result to that of the 1,000 questioned in the poll. 1,000 people are a representation of themselves and their own opinion, and can not seriously be taken as an overall representation of the populations opinion as a whole. Or are you saying its ok for 40 million poples different opinions to be decided by just 1,000.
You also have the fact that those asked in the Poll are likely to be civil servants, or public sector workers. I mean come on since when do they travel into the slums to get the opionions of the real argentine people, you know the majority of the argentine people who also happen to live inadequte accomadation and on low wages. You also have the question as to how much control your government as over the result of the polls, which given their control over the so called official inflation rates which differ not only to independant rates but rates that that of the internation community base argentine inflation at too, then it is reasonable to assume all polls and satistics in argentina are rigged by the government.
Come on Helber its not bloody rocket science as you said yourself, but clearly you seem to be struggling with it.
61 row82
Feb 06th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for pointing that out, I thought is was an American,
But thanks for the correction .
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I'm sure you would if you had one.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course,we will...
@30 Such a brave boy, eh? At your keyboard. Is it your grandpa that's telling you how brave he was in '82? Remind me why you had to send 4 naval task forces and 66,000 ground troops to overcome 80 Royal Marines? Now you know whose bums the bayonets are going up, right?
Feb 06th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 What are you? A Telegraph shareholder?
@43 Silly little boy. Argieland is in breach of the UN Charter and UNCLOS. Let's see whether you have the brain to figure it out!
@50 Broke? Did you know that there will be 6 Type 45 destroyers at a cost of £6.46 billion? Three already in service. Two more are on trials and one is fitting out. Then there's our Typhoons. £1.25 million each. 86 already in service. Another 74 to come. Then there's our Astute class submarines. There will be seven. The first three were contracted for £2 billion. What shall we say? £5 billion in total. Then there's the £6.2 billion for our two new supercarriers. I'll let you do all the math, but I make it about £18 billion. Shouldn't believe what you read in newspapers!
@54 Please don't try to complicate matters even more. Although I appreciate the effort. I read an article the other day that made it clear that the so-called “continuance from and inheritance of Spanish rights was only accepted amongst the various rebel colonies. Basically, the rest of the world said ”Rubbish!“ Another false argie justification down the drain!
@68, 69 & 70 Oops! How's your history? Can you remember the last 'leader' that used to whine that his country had been ”stabbed in the back“? It was your hero. Hitler. Even better, we have a wannabe SS operative who declares that ”the majority of Argentinians are obselete and inconsequential.” Bet he'd like to shove the 'majority' out of aircraft at 10,000 feet as well.
@77 Don't worry, sonny, it may be possible to save you. Back to the clinic now.
@82 Don't you worry. Keep going the way you are and that poll will become more representative. There may only be 10 million of you left soon!
6 Helber Galarga
Feb 06th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I completely agree with Helber galarga.
It is totally unnecessary.
England has problems of high impact media to cover the daily suffering of Great Britain with its problems of unemployment, the reduction of the economy, social unrest, appealing to the South Atlantic conflict.
All we are seeing aggression is aimed at distracting public opinion from the UK.
They have internal problems to be solved, such as unemployment and the independence referendum in Scotland and the oil in the North Sea. They have to have your mind focused on other issues to compensate for shaky government support and further strengthen the spirit of colonialism.
It's a shame that mankind has been doing since the 17th century, and the Falkland Islands are one of the last symbols. Furthermore, “Britain has always been the face of imperialism and colonialism throughout the world.”
geo: Go re-read history. You always come up with these “facts” that are always totally wrong.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our “golden age” was the the early to late 1800's.
90 Raul
Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. This is all completely unnecessary.
This latest round of 'conflict' began when Argentina tore up the 1999 agreement (and all previous agreements) and went on what it chooses to cause a 'diplomatic offensive'. I prefer to just call it offensive.
It has continued with many more or less illegal acts aimed at wrecking our economy and forcing us into submission.
What did you expect Britain would do. Nothing?
They won't make that mistake again.
This has nothing to do with the internal problems of the UK. You set this train of events in motion. If you stop persecuting Falkland Islanders, then whatever it is you think Britain is doing will stop too. Apart, that is, from defending us as it has for the last 30 years.
92 Monty69
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you agree, comply with UN resolutions. The 2065 (XX) of 1965 and later ratified by resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40 / 21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. Remember that the islanders are British. They can not be judge and party to the conflict.
By not keeping these resolutions UK, Argentina denunciation of the 1999 agreement.
What did you hope that Britain do. Nothing?
They will not make the same mistake.
The error in the UK is failing to comply with UN resolutions.
This has nothing to do with internal problems in the UK.
Totally has to do. Roles have been reversed: Cameron is Galtieri and his need to distract public opinion to the British economic crisis.
Just as the UK Blocks Iran for not complying with UN resolutions, Argentina and Latin America has the right not to receive in their ports to British island with their flag. UK gets the same medicine they give to Iran. This is the famous hypocritical double standards in England.
Are we to attack with atomic bombs to reclaim what is ours? Are we threatened with genocide and terrorism and bombing civilians and the humanitarian held in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq? Do you have fear of world opinion? Argentina already had four British and invasions (1806-1807-1833 - Forced Return of 20/11/1845. Argentina has always always go forward. Over time, the world public opinion and South America Argentina regain sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands .
Our struggle Remember this always: The struggle undertaken by our country and have started kirchner is similar to the civil rights struggle led by Luther King in the U.S. or Perez Esquivel (Nobel Peace Prize) in their struggle for human rights against the military dictatorship and claims of sovereignty in the Falklands conflict.
”There are no roads to peace, peace is the way.
@ 91 zethe
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the one side you have the Argentine Malvinas patriots, who only see their own point of view, the more distorted it is presented to them by their government the more they like what they hear. On the other side you have the British Falkland patriots, who only see their own point of view, although they seem to have learn through centuries of successful diplomacy that lying does not work but still their patriots are as virulent and hateful as our own.
In the middle is the Falkland Islanders, they know what they want and in reality we all know why and can see why a claim that had been dug up by a 1930's government for their own political ends and now goes back 180 years is no longer valid. The question is why do we ignore this? Why do we pretend we are right? Why does our government continue to lie about the Falkland islanders? And why do you feel it is right to continue to abuse them?
Propaganda is like a poison, it poisons minds, it poisons the truth, it sets hearts on fire, it ends intelligent debate, it sets the stage for conflict, conflict, economic, military, verbal. Tell me if you can not see parallels:
Hermann Goering “Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Governments lie all the time. The people who rally to their cries and wrap themselves in the flag are the looser every time but they continue to do it and the same tune plays over and over again!
@85 Benito
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a posting, if your reading this @Tobias, its pretty much word for word what I hear from people I know in ba.
93 Raul
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Cameron is Galtieri'??? You sick individual.
''UK gets the same medicine they give to Iran''
What, are you saying that Falkland Islanders issuing fish licenses for their own waters is the same as sponsoring international terrorism and threatening to nuke Israel?
The UK aren't getting any 'medicine', we Falkland Islanders are.
'Human rights struggle'. No. You are the abusers of our human rights as enshrined in the constitution and declarations of the UN, and you can forget your long dead resolutions as a justification of your abuses of those rights.
Almost everything you say is so loathsome it makes me feel ill. Your 'struggle' appears to be in appearing to be human at all, and you are losing it.
When I read things like your post it reminds we how right we are to resist you with all our strength. The day we are ruled by people like you must never be allowed to come.
TWIMC
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strangely enough....., Mr. Benito is a British troll posing as an Argentinean.
I understand that per haps what williams is doing, is just ruthin, but my question is. ¿Is it necesary to have a such a militar base in the south atlantic, if there is not any kind of threat of a new invation by argentina?, i heard and read in planty of oportunities that the islanders dont think that argentina will invade the islands again, but this is evident that actualy you dont believe what you express, this is evident also that you dont live here and have no idea about what our people thinks about this conflict, that's why i will always argue that you can take only the partial information that you read in the newspapers, the malvinas-falkland question is very important for us, and it will always be, but most us are not disposed to recover using any kind of methodes.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, every one has right to think whatever, all the opinions are respectable, but beyond our opinions and wishes, we can't ignore the resolutions of the u. n which call the two nations to resume the negotiations, they must be respected, and the so called giornalists, no matter if they work for a leftist giornal, or a conservative giornal, must take them into account, otherwise, the analysis is very partial, i know that thruth never is absolut, but can avoid to omit important issues, no matter if we agree or not with the government, i like to analyse the giornals, some day i want to become into a great giornalist, that's why some times i feel shame for the so partial analysis that i read specially in the conservative newspapers of argentina, and of diferent countries.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2106143,00.html?xid=gonewsedit
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time Magazines report on Argentine Bullying...Nice to see a US Paper printing the truth
I don't agree with you Axel.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason Britain doesn't enter into negotiations is that there is no room for deviation in its position.
Britain says the islanders' wishes are paramount. That's it. It would be dishonest to enter into any negotiations on that basis.
On the other hand, I have never understood Argentina's insistence on negotiations when it too has a seemingly inflexible position. It demands the transfer of the islands to Argentina. Where is the room for negotiation in that?
At least Britain's postition is honest.
And most journalists do at some point explain both Britain and Argentina's points of view.
There isn't much point dwelling on the call for a negotiated settlement until at least one side has something to negotiate.
@97
Feb 06th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 03rd term when the 2nd just started? Is it time to get the tanks out ? ;-))))
(101) Mr. Menendez
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can forget about it…..
We have full, total, complete, unconditional, absolute and supreme control over all the Master Switches………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaSzixef4ew
@102 :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you give me some “privacy” Mr Think?
(103)
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of Course!
The moment you begin respecting the Oath you took at your graduation.....
@102
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fuck it , I'm going back to my original name .....!
I can feel the spirit of Almirante Rojas already , we need another “ Revolucion Libertadora” o no?
Cameron is Galtieri
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0here sits the words of the indocrinated, who denies the truth at the exspence of very own ideals,
pass on the buck, call names, distract them, anything as long as you deny the truth,
but what is the truth,
the falklands are british, the islanders wish to remain british,
and argentina and some of her brain washed bloggers want the steal something they have never owned, never administered, and had nothing to do with the falklands,
a distraction of argentina's own making, not the rest of us,
that is the truth,
prove me wrong, please .
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Feb 06th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 Benito
Feb 06th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, shifting the goal posts now, are we? *laughter*
First you claim that “To most people here the Falklands / Malvinas are an irrelevance”
I proceed to post from a BBC article that refers to a poll which points out JUST HOW IMPORTANT THE MALVINAS ARE TO AN AVERAGE Argentine and you simply ignore the fact that the poll completely contradicts your previous statement. Talk about sticking your head in the ground!
You obviously do not wish to discuss or debate but utter propaganda. Given this, I cannot see any point in exchange points of view with you because you will not countenance other's point of view.
MONTY69. BRITON.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MONTY: Respecting the resolutions of the u. n is not dishonest, this is evident that you didn't understand anything about everything i have told you for monthes.
None resolution asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, so, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, all the resolutions only have always called the two parts to resume the negotiations and find a peacefull solution, no more.
If you mean the article that was incorporated to our constitution which reffers our claim for the islands, i already told you that the word negotiation, means that the two parts will have to cede in some aspects of their pretentions, it's not imposible to find a solution that satisfies both countries. Beside, cristina said in diferent oportunities that argentina is not asking the u. k. recognize that the islands are argentine, and some days ago she clarified too that none islanders will have to renounce to hes british nationality, so, your interpretation is really wrong, on the other hand, you dont live here, you dont know what our people thinks about this conflict, and ignore also the so mediocre analysis that i read specially in the conservative newspapers.
BRITON: ¿Do you think that only our people might be brain washed?, that shows how miopic you are, and shows too the mediocre thought that you have, you just buy no more the the convenient propaganda of your country, and only critic our side, in my case, i have never believed in our official history, that's why i decided to investigate, and took into account the british arguments also, i can send my investigation to you if you want.
Anyway i would have never said that cameron is galtieri, he is just using this cause, to try to distract people's mind from real problems, we are not a crisis country, our economy is forescasted to expand 5 or 6%, beside c. f. k was elected with the 54% of the votes, so she doesn't need to use this cause, in order to distract people's mind.
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Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on axel arg!!!
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with the pro-Brit posters here is that according to them:
1) they are always right, everyone else is wrong
2) Argentines are brain washed, Brits receive an objective un-biased education
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Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0115 axel arg
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you keep screwing up,
[Do you think that only our people might be brain washed ]
Come come, we both know full well that most of the world is in some way brain washed,
So why do you use it as a micro finite, [your own interpretation]
We are talking abt you at the moment, don’t be so plastically melodramatic
, Anyway i would have never said that Cameron is galtieri, he is just using this cause, to try to distract people's mind from real problems, we are not a crisis
[][ and did I say you did,?????
If Cameron was trying to distract the British people his doing a fine job,
With afghan and now Iran,, it is Argentina who claims this, not the British,
And you say Argentina is not in crises,
Must be very proud of Argentina to know that the whole world has problems, and Argentina is the only country that has none, but is riding the crest of a wave,
If this is what you believe, who are we to deny you this pleasure .?
117 Helber Galarga
The problem with the pro-Brit posters here is:
1) they are always right, everyone else is wrong
2) Argentines are brain washed, Brits receive an objective un-biased education,
You must stop praising us,
We are not that perfect, just better than you some times lol.
you are making us giggle lol.
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Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Artillero, Why don't you start that illegal revolution in US? They will kick your rear end back to Argentina(unfortunately) in no time.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't we have enough Menendez in cana already over here?
:-))
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Think,
Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0l don't know who or what Benito is, Think.
However he makes a lot of sense.
A lot more than you do, anyway, Squatter!
@127 Good Morning Marquitos !
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0La Revolucion Libertadora was not an illegal revolution allow me to say. Fue una revolucion Civico - Militar against the dysfunctional General Peron, do you understand now? o te lo escribo en Castellano para que me lo borren ?? :-))))
@129
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot more than you do, anyway, Squatter!.... lol!!
Good Job I, keep pounding that “swede” and kick him out of my Country :-))
ARTILLERO.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¿What article of the former constitution allowed the militars, to brake the constitutional order?, you can like or not peron, but no one can deny that he was a constitutional president, and if hes government was disfunctional, or a disaster, the only one way of taking him out of the power, was with the social protests, like it happened in egipt, or with the elections. Some sectors of the society will have to understand one day that no one has right to eliminate the right to choose of all the people, beside the so called revolución libertadora killed more than 300 inocent people in just one day. The tittle revolución libertadora can't be more hipocrite and rediculous, the militars wanted to change what they called a tirany, for a true dictaorship, my question is, ¿who voted for that so called revolución libertadora?, anyway the whole people must do a critic for their behaviour during the dictatorships, because if they lasted years, in some apsects it was due to the general acquiescence of the population.
@132
Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Civico ( civilians ) Militar ( spear head for the politicians to knock down Peron) ... now, How in the fuck is going to allow this bitch to be elected for the 3rd time when she barely started the 2nd term. Smells like a Dictatorship, right ??? so before you give me a class in Civic Affairs ( our country from it's foundation was about revolution after revolution, correct?) ... no veas la paja en el ojo ajeno Axel, in essence right now you have the same shit. Just my humble opinion :-)
Good morning Pomi, I understand “inglish” no need for “casteyano” gallego.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that Axel gave you an early morning lesson.
There is not a single islander i know with a good word to say about the Argentines. To the Kelpers, the Argentines are like the Nazi's, only less intelligent. Most would sooner die that allow a repeat of 1982. This place is never going to exist under an Argentine flag. The sooner those bastards realise it the better!
Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134
Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lesson in what exactly ? spelling ?
124 Think
Feb 07th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an extremely racist, neo Nazi. I have been reading your posts on here on and off for some time. Most of them get deleted because of your racism.
Learn about your adopted country and its people. You are not the brightest spark in the book. You are an extremely unpleasant person.
@137
Feb 07th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Think” ? a neo Nazi? No Andy, you are wrong. He is to the left of Karl Marx :-)
What territory is British ?? There is not one territory British in South Atlantic. NONE.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What territory has occupied ? A LOT OF TERRITORIES ?
MALVINAS OR FALKLANDS TERRITORIES BELONG TO ARGENTINA
IT WILL BE ARGENTINA WHO WILL GRANT THE INDEPENDENCE TO THE ISLANDERS.
ENGLAND WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING TO FAVOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE.
if you say so .
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@139 you are not first,
Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0feel better now? idiota
ARTILLERO.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't be more wrong, it's redicoulus and ignorant to compare the actual moment with a dictatorship if you have the right to choose, if there is reform in the constitution, in order to allow the rereelection of the president, the last word will be given by the popular vote. On the other hand, it's true that there were diferent revolutions along our history, but unless respecing my posture, i wont never justify any fascits tirany which broke the diferent constitutional orders, maybe that's the big diference betwen you and i, i was born during a dictatorship in 1981, and i want to die in democracy, and i want it to last for good.
The only way argentina will get the falklands is by force and there are 4 typhoons sitting down there saying that won't happen so you can rattle yer sabres till your hearts content.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The falklands belong to the falkland islanders and only they should determine their destiny
@142
Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me wrong? ignorant? who says you are right? You? “El modelo” is blinding you a bit. Obviously we disagree but don't insult sunshine, I can open you up like “cordero pa' el asador” , are we clear? :-)
and i want to die in democracy
Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no disrespect, but the only way that will happen, is to rid it of her .
ARTILLERO.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARTILLERO: None model is blinding me, i support many of the decitions of the government, but i'm also very critic respecting others, i'm not nor injudicious nor idiot, beside, i insist, if you have right to choose in your country, you can't talk about any dictatorship in argentina, no matter if c. f. k reforms the constitution in order to allow a third election, like i said before, the last word will be given by the popular vote, there is nothing more important than democracy, no matter who governs.
so what's the problem? You have an opinion and I have mine, is called a debate. Are we cool?
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Are we talking about allowing a third term only, or possible many more terms.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a question from an outside observer.
A 3rd term to complete the economic plan (also called “ El Modelo”) ..... my ass! :-)
Feb 09th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MENOS PRESOS POLITICOS y MAS POLITICOS PRESOS !!!!!!!!!!!!
The only way argentina will get the falklands is by force and there are 4 typhoons sitting down there saying that won't happen so you can rattle yer sabres till your hearts content.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The falklands belong to the falkland islanders and only they should determine their destiny
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The Soth Atlantic,including MAlvinas belong to the people who lives in th earea.
This is: Argentina,Brasil,Uruguay,Paraguay..and also Chile and Peru...
No MORE EXTRACONTINENTAL POWERS!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
ARTILLERO.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you call presos políticos, are criminals who violated human rights, who joint a statal terrorist organization, that's unacceptable, the terrorists should have been judged and sentenced, intestad of being kidnapped, tortured, killed and dissapeared, beside not all the dissapeared people were terrorits, many of them were students or workers who claimed for rights which had been eliminated by the junta, anyway i agree with you when you say that there should be more politicians in prison, but unless some of them are under process of investigation, and were restrained their goods, beside the suprem court that we have now, is really reliable.
Axel,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I can tell you that the Argentine society applies so called “justice” to people with uniform only ..... Shocklender is out, la puta de Bonafini is out, Oyarbide gets all the political cases and nothing happens, bla, bla, bla
MENOS PRESOS POLITICOS Y MAS POLITICOS PRESOS
I have been observing this forum so I hope nobody minds me commenting, and yeah, I know what you think. It seems futile to me (and a bit boring) you guys banging on about MALVINAS ARGENTINAS when the facts are that they belong to the people who live there. Britain won't talk to your government about it unless the falklanders want them too, which they don't. So where to now?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What can you guys possibly do to change the minds of the falklanders? Stopping them entering your ports and encouraging your neighbours to do the same doesn't seem to be helping.
You attacked them in the 80's with no justification and they probably hate you now.
It's really all about what the guys living on the islands want and there seems to be little you folks can do about it except to get over it - take it in the shorts and move on
I live in scotland and we have a similar problem... the big bit of land to the south of us is actually ours ;-)
ARTILLERO.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Per haps i made a wrong analysis of your comment 149, i should have asked your firstly, what do you call presos políticos exactly?, and if i was wrong, i apologize to you. Anyway both must be judged and sentenced, the presos politicos and the corrupted politicians, on the other hand, all the corrupted politicians are under process unless, and their goods where restrained, lest see what happens next, beside, i dont have the concept than you about hebe de bonafini, i dont agree with some her assertions about diferent issues, but i will always admire the courage that she had, in order to made a front a criminal dictatorship, if i lived that time, i wouden't have courage to denounce the abuses of that dictatorship, in fact i wouden't have had courage to go to fight to the war of 1982 neather, i recognize it, that's why i admire those people who were brave and made front the dictatorship.
Axel,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like if you are ex Military you will have a “juicio express”, for sure and no time you will end up in jail.Now, when you are a politician the process is different, why? Can you tell me how many politicians are in jail right now for corruption?
ARTILLERO.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I recognize that not many politicians were in jail, i dont deny that our justice has serious deficiences, i'm not saying nothing new, but unless their goods were restrained, so, part of what they per haps stole, was taken by the justice, that's not insignificant for me.
Not many? I mean none
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