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Argentine football season named ‘Crucero Belgrano’ to honour major loss in Falklands’ conflict
As tension rises over the 30th anniversary of the deadly conflict between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, the Argentine government has named the upcoming football season in honour of a naval ship sunk by British torpedoes in the conflict. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAs an Englishman and someone who has served in the military, I find no pleasure in the loss of your gallant servicemen who were performing their duties, the war was unnecessary and good men were lost from both countries.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let us hope no future wars happen.
I support Argentina's right to protest even if I don't agree with it, what I will not support is Argentina's economic sanctions against the peaceful people of the Falklands Islands and it is in my view the wrong approach to trying to resolve the situation.
All Argentina does is sour its own position by seeking to economically punish the islanders.
Yes, Xect. I believe the Belgrano was struck in outright violation of the Laws of War (as it was outside the war zone).
Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could you please elaborate as to which measures Argentina has adopted that you understand are economic sanctions?
The Belgrano was a legitimate target.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You want to start a shooting war, then you have to accept the consequences.
Placing restrictions on vessels connected with the oil exploration industry is a form of 'economic sanction'.
No, the Belgrano was NOT a legitimate target. Read the Geneva Conventions and you'll be able to understand it.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which restrictions has Argentina placed on vessels connected with the exploration of oil?
Lets be clear the Belgrano was a legitimate target which has been proved by intercepted communication and the fact Argentina had effectively declared war on UK territory. Even if the communication hadn't of been intercepted it would of in my view still have been a legitimate target given it is a warship.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0In terms of economic situation, I'm talking about the blocking of Falkland flagged vessels even if the blockage is easily circumvented among other things.
1 a very reasonable post.I would agree with evwrything you say except the last paragraph.The people of the islands are I am sure you say are peaceful but there descendants were put there by an empire bent on owning as much of the planet as it could possibly get its hands on however it got it.I believe the islanders welfare is of course important but its not the only consideration in this conflict.England is very very isolated on the issue and Hagues flying visits to the Americas show how.CFKs policies are going to eventually bring all sides back to negotiations under the UN.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Strongly disagree re. your assessment of the Belgrano but let's move on...
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 01) if it is easily cirumvented then it is not effective. If it is not effective then there is no economic blockade.
2) Argentina has a claim to the islands. You might disagree but it has a claim and an overwhelming majority of 40 million (the exact number is irrelevant because it is a majority) believe in that claim. Moreover, other Latin American countries also believe in that claim and support Argentina as has become evident over the last 12 months. Now, given that claim and the fact that the Gov't has made it clear it WILL NOT use overt violence in reclaiming the islands, what do you suggest Argentina do then?
The Belgrano was playing a suicidal game of cat and mouse with the British task force. Very similar to what the Argentine fatigued jets do continually with the RAF Typhoons. A very dangerous activity that will perhaps end in the loss of life one day like it did for the poor crew of the Belgrano.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a bit like the old argument that human rights radicals make in defence of burglars who break into the homes of people while they are sleeping. Every now and then the owner of the house wakes up and shoots the burglar in the arse as he is scurrying out the kitchen window. The radicals scream murder but the courts are increasingly seeing it differently.
If you go to a party with a gun you can't expect to make it home alive. Even if you are a peaceful nation like Argentina.
Which only goes to prove that you can indeed fool most of the people most of the time.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has NO claim. If she did, she could have taken it to the the ICJ or PCA decades ago!
What Latin America believes is irrelevant.
What Argentina should do, is drop its spurious and unwinable claim, and get on with dealing with its own problems !!
Thanks Lord Ton for telling us what to do.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, if it were up to you Argentina should use overt violence (i agree with this), no diplomacy, and just drop it's claim.
Thank you for your kind words but why don't you go and get F@#ked?
You tried overt in 1832 and 1982 - whether you'll go for the hat trick is up to you.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 01994 – Argentina's Defence Ministry drop their claim that the sinking of the ARA Belgrano was a 'war crime', and accept that it was a 'legal act of war'.
2000 – March 14th, in a case seeking to indict Margaret Thatcher for war crimes relating to the sinking of the ARA Belgrano, the Supreme Court in Buenos Aires rules that the acts, if illegal, cannot be prosecuted before an Argentine court.
2007 - May 2nd, in an interview with the Clarin newspaper, Hector Bonzo, Captain of the Belgrano in 1982, denies that the sinking of his vessel was a war crime; “
It was an act of war. The acts of those who are at war, like the submarine's attack, are not a crime ... The crime is the war. We were on the front line and suffered the consequences. On April 30, we were authorised to open fire, and if the submarine had surfaced in front of me I would have opened fire with all our 15 guns until it sank.”
4 Helber Galarga
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Belgrano was a legitimate target. It was a vessel of war. The Exclusion zone was stipulated for the protection of civil and neutral vessals only. A vessel of war no matter it's position or heading is a legitmate target when a state of war exists between two parties.
The Captain of the Belgrano has himself said his ship was a legitimate target.
The Belgrano was steaming in a holding pattern awaiting orders to sail on the Royal Navy Task force in conjuntion with another Argentine task force South of the Islands, and with the Argentine Air Force from the Argentine mainland.
Of course, no-one 'declares' war any more !
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Helter - why should I 'get' when I can give to you :-)
Tee Hee Herber I have never read of any international law which forbids the sinking of large ships with guns, only an Argentina could claim the sinking of a war ship was a war crime :)
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina had won the war they would have been heroic men who sacrificed themselves for the glory of the Malvinas.
Of course since you lost the war in a humiliating fashion and have never quite grown a pair over this fact, it is of course a “war crime”.
This renaming of a football league of all things is just another in a long line of hysterical victimhood hand wringing enacted by the Argentine govt to distract attention from the fact the country is drowning in inflation and the massive surplus was decimated to allow Empress Kirchners coronation, happy times :)
The Falkland were “Out Side ” the war zone before the argies decided to invade..You cant have it both ways girls... you are either in a war or not..
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0”I believe the Belgrano was struck in outright violation of the Laws of War (as it was outside the war zone).“
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0There was no ”war zone“ Helber. Any Argentine warship was fair game anywhere in the world steaming in any direction.
The ”exclusion zone” was for the benefit of neutral shipping and nothing else.
Sport and politics; political footballs; own goal.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its their wounded pride that makes them spout such rubbish...
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0A little bit out of the zone of conflict?
Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The argies are such hypocrite's
Operation Algeciras was an ill-fated Argentine plan to sabotage a Royal Navy warship in Gibraltar during the Falklands War. The Argentine assumption was that if the British military felt vulnerable in Europe, they would decide to keep some vessels in European waters rather than send them to the Falklands.
A commando team observed British naval traffic in the area from Spain during 1982, waiting to attack a target of opportunity when ordered, using frogmen and Italian limpet mines.
The plan was to launch divers from Algeciras, have them swim across the bay, to Gibraltar, under cover of darkness, attach the mines to a British naval ship and swim back to Algeciras. The timed detonators would cause the mines to explode after the divers had time to safely swim back across the bay. The plan was foiled when the Spanish police became suspicious of their behavior and arrested them before any attack could be mounted.
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Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helber is proved wrong, tries to gloss over the facts on and when taken to task gets abusive.
Now isn't that just typical Argentine behaviour?
No wonder the hard working and peaceful Islanders want nothing to do with him or his impertinent Country.
LOL Egg on a few argie faces I think
Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 07 Helber Galarga
Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guarantee that more than 40 million people believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. I never supposed that made it true.
Can we rename the EPL as the GLug Glug Glug League in response
Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0USA tells Britain that it cannot make a contribution to the dispute with Iran as it has no military capability. David Cameron begs President Obama to allow Britain to send a ship.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9064697/Britain-had-to-plead-with-US-to-take-part-in-Iran-flotilla.html
Dreyfoss nice distortion of the truth there, they actually said they didn't require any foreign navy assistance since they already had the carrier group (which makes perfect sense) and then rest was simply politicians playing their games.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0This has nothing to do with military capability and all to do with the hugely amusing game that is politics.
Well, was going to reply to Helber re the Belgrano, but the boys have brought up all the relevant points.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Helber, no matter where the Belgrano was.
lt was an armed enemy ship proceding to give battle & thus was fair game.
Of course it was torpedoed.
What did you expect us to do?
Surface & invite the crew to play tennis, perhaps?
And as stick up your junta has pointed out, what about the Argentine attempt to destroy our ships in Gibraltar?
Now that is a long, long way from the exclusion zone, no?
What Lord Ton said @ post # 9 is perfectly sensible & that is what Argentina should do.
l know its hard(especially for a man!)to admit you are wrong, but the truth is, you ARE wrong.
Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands despite all you were taught at school.
Don't get snarky, mate. Just move on. Drop your ridiculous claims & we can all be friends again.
You want to be peaceful, don't you Helber?♥
@dental floss,
Feb 07th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was france and other EU countires that begged to have their navy ships involved after the USA originally planned to go it alone, it was as a result of the french and other EU nations being allowed to have their ships take part that britian also decided to sent a ship, after originally accepted the USA original plan to go it alone, so really it was Sarkorsy (or however to spell the frogs name) that begged to be allowed to have a ship take part, not the UK, and the USA had originally planned to do it alone. Which means they did not tell “UK that they can not contribute to the dispute with iran as it has not military capability” at all. Only that there was no need as they purely plan to go it alone. It was only when the french begged to be allowed to have a ship join that the USA relented and agreed to other nations ships to take part in what they had planned to be a USA only excercise, which by the way was rountine deployment maneuvers by the USA anyway.
As for using sport to promote a political agenda, well all i can say is its clear it is the argentine government that are the ones trying to deflect attention of their population from the real national issues and economic problems argentina is facing not the UK, to say the UK is doing so is laughable to say the least lol.
@2 & 4 Tell us something. Are you so wedded to your propaganda and lies that you can claim black is white, wrong is right and that you can re-write history to suit yourself?
Feb 07th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a quote:
”Though the ship was outside the 200-mile (370 km) exclusion zone, both sides understood that this was no longer the limit of British action—on 23 April a message was passed via the Swiss Embassy in Buenos Aires to the Argentine government, it read:
In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.
Interviews conducted by Martin Middlebrook for his book, The Fight For The Malvinas, indicated that Argentine Naval officers understood the intent of the message was to indicate that any ships operating near the exclusion zone could be attacked. Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said “After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano”
That's the way it was and is. You can't change it.
The Belgrano presented a threat to the task force in which ever direction it was travelling and to say the war could only be fought in the exclusion zone is a total red herring, Spain and Gibraltar are slightly outside of the 200 mile zone are they not. Though it is sad that soldiers, sailors and airmen on both sides died it was a risk that armed forces accept by the very nature of their “work”.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is however totally distasteful to the memory of the dead to name a football season after the sunken ship. Argentina has recently professed that the war was started by a dictatorship and not Argentina yet now glorifies a cruiser of that dictatorship. Another example of why the word of an Argentine government, dictatorship or otherwise cannot be trusted.
“Argentina has recently professed that the war was started by a dictatorship and not Argentina yet now glorifies a cruiser of that dictatorship”
Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This thought entered my mind. Why do Argentines verbally distance themselves from the Falklands War but their actions only glorify and play up the event....once again Argentine hypocrisy is on show.
10 Helber Galarga
Feb 07th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines are not a real nation, their country has only existed for about 175 years. Most Argentines trace their family history to Italy, Spain, Germany and the British Isles. The only real Argentines are the Amerindians and their nation is the entire continent of America.
The Argentines I know have Italian mothers, English father, Spanish grandfathers, German grandmothers, Welsh great great uncles. It's technically impossible to claim Argentines are a nation.
They also have the most comically fascist like government on the entire continent. Their entire policy agenda revolves around a group of islands they work 24/7 to alienate the population of. While spreading lies and peddling rants about “the British” that make Mugabe look normal by comparison.
Latin Americans find Argentina an alien culture, its a colonial relic, a piece of Europe transplanted onto a continent thousands of miles away. The culture is Latin European, with a touch of English and Welsh. It certainly bears no resemblance to its neighbors in Paraguay, Bolivia, Venezuela, or Peru.
Even the Argentine honour guards wear colonial uniforms copied from the British and Spanish Imperial era.
They are a throwback to another age. An age of fascism.
A thought but I assume no team will be relegated at the end of the season just sunk!!!!
Feb 07th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've been following this site for sometime but I feel time to post. I'm 16, I'm a kelper. If the Argies want the Falklands come and take it and see what you get. I just hope you have enough places to put your dead because we don't want any more over here!
Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been in Sea Cadets and Marine Detachment since I was 8. I plan to join the Defence Force as soon as I finish 6th form. Maybe to you I'm just a girl but I tell you now, come and see how straight I shoot. Come and find out!
There are hundreds more just like me, waiting. We've heard all the talk now come on! Lets see how far you get!
You dont have to worry suzy ..Their bullying will get them no where
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 33 Hey Suzy, I like you, don't hate me. I'm 21 and I understand how you feel. the islands belong to you and nothing will change that. Not all of us are *rseholes like O gara and the others.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 xbarilox
Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you xbarilox :)
@ 36 You're welcome, Suzy, and don't worry, you and your home are safe. Nothing the government of my country can do, will change your way of life.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Helber Galarga
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was outside the 200 ml Total Exclusion Zone for all foreign forces, well inside the war zone for all Argentinian forces.
The rules of war only require it to be a beligerant warship and it can be attacked, tied up in port if nessecary.
@33 suzy
Keep your powder dry against the day you may need it, train hard and if that day comes and you will know what to do.
Meanwhile do not let anything get to you, learn to win the waiting game. It may not happen.
35 xbarilox
Ola Compadre, how was your vacation?
@ 38 My only compadre here is Artillero, are you? My vacation was great, not much alcohol, but lots of fun, music, food, girls, sports and cars that I like, como side note, conocí a la nieta de Susana en un boliche, aunque no hubo lengua :P
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 My appologies Signor I obviously presumed to much.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad you enjoyed yourself, English holidays usually involve alchol large.
Don't quite understand Susana & bowling alleys, but Hey if it floats your boat!
@ 39 what? I know a thing or two about English holidays, but I've been in Uruguay, not in England. If you're on the side of the Falklanders, you're my compadre too, if not, f*ck off.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troll from the other side of the Andes
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 053 xbarilox (#)Nov 14th, 2010 As Marcos Alejandro has stated before, Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
Malvinas Argentinas.
77 xbarilox Brits are so used to steal things from people, that believe they have some kind of authority to tell people what to do, what to think, what to say, what to believe lol
102 xbarilox
Don't get scared people, get the facts, the islandars can't decide anything,
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/11/12/second-oil-rig-to-join-falklands-oil-exploration-round-next-year
@36 suzy,
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go, girl go.!
Loooove your attitude.
We can't fail.
Hey, Think, look how the policies of your malvinista president have bourne fruit
Marcos Alejandro (#)
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Troll from the other side of the Andes
Argentina must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when/. Long live the Falklands ..
[the argentines are so used to steal things from people, that believe they have some kind of authority to tell people what to do, what to think, what to say, what to believe and they do not .
Don't get scared people, get the facts, the islander’s can decide anything they want,
[we thank you Marcos] a true Argentina patriot with a British rule of ethics .]lol
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@ 42 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 xbarilox Brits are so used to steal things from people
You are confused Marcos, that would be the Argentines. The Argentines invaded our islands in 1982, no one invited you in. You came in all guns blazing. I'd call that stealing.
I suggest you visit us. I'll even invite you over for tea in my house, in the spirit of friendship. You can learn that we really don't want to be Argentine and we really don't appreciate all the lies, insults, racial slurs and the aggressive threats that your government encourages in you.
45 AndyMac Thank you for the invitation but you said “we really don't appreciate all the lies, insults, racial slurs and the aggressive threats that your government encourages in you”
Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but that is not true, you must be talking about your friends at Victory bar...Please see mug, picture#2
http://www.clarin.com/politica/fotos_5_641985796.html
@suzy.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You tell 'em.......
I really hope your marksmanship skills never have to be used in anger. My thoughts are with you and all the other Falklanders. It must be very frustrating seeing the Argentinians threatening your family and home the way they they do.
You're a very brave young lady.
@Andy mac
I think you're very generous to your foes.
@helber and the other malvinistas: if you had wanted the crew of the Belgrano to survive, you should never have invaded the Flaklands. Your warship was a legitimate target, if we had let her go she would have been in position to attack any shipping we had in the area. You would have done exactly the same.
@xbarilox 21! I wish I was still that young! Seriously, all the best to you if you are in studies or looking for/in a job. These times are'nt easy for anyone and I hope that you do well for yourself.
46 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are we intimidating you Marcos? Do I feel you quaking in your boots at the thought of being invaded by the Falklands?
Stop spreading the lies and stop spreading the hate.
If you are really that worked up about us why not come over here and I fight you man to man :) we'll have it go live on webcam and everyone in Argentina can watch.
Ok Susy...
Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a video for all colonial pirates in Malvinas get off our land, get our our seas, remove yourselves from our farms, you are in illegal occupation of our islands go now or b removed by UN -
Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akFekhmm1E
Why not name the league after an Argentine victory?
Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Guerra Sucia First Division, say.
The best solution would be kick out all argies from the UK, kick out all brittos from ARG, Argentina forget about the Falklands and leave the people there alone, prohibit the islanders from ever again setting foot in Argentina (even for emergencies). Argentina and the United Kindgom cut diplomatic ties. Problem solved everyone is left alone.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 052 tobias
Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a great idea,
Simple , easy , peaceful , and democratic,
But sadly the others will feel left out, and think that you are being favourer full to the brits ,
And thus Argentina would have to remove all European born/decent from those South American shores, the only ones left would be the Amerindians,
Good idea through .
Filippo
Great film
[they call him flipper,, flipper , a fish at the filippo,]
Yep great film .
(43) lsolde
Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say about (33) suzy :
”Go, girl go! Looove your attitude. We can't fail.
Hey, Think, look how the policies of your malvinista president have bourne fruit”
I say:
Hmmmmmm…….
It seems that, suddenly, we have got a veritable “surge” of enthusiastic Kelper posters…..
Let´s look first at Mr. AndyMac´s invitation to tea, at post (45), when visiting “His” Islands…..:
“45 AndyMac Feb 07th, 2012
The Argentines invaded our islands in 1982, no one invited you in. You came in all guns blazing. I'd call that stealing.
I suggest you visit us. I'll even invite you over for tea in my house, in the spirit of friendship. You can learn that we really don't want to be Argentine and we really don't appreciate all the lies, insults, racial slurs and the aggressive threats that your government encourages in you.”
Strange…………….As you can see below, short four months ago he was inviting others to visit “His” Scotland…
”15 AndyMac Sep 26th, 2011
14 Kiwisarg …You need to get out more, come to Scotland we have some nice women here.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/22/cfk-agrees-to-visit-chile-after-october-23-presidential-election
What a Turnip……….....................
Now……. Back to young Squatterette “Ms. Suzy” who seems to have a dangerously high degree of testosterone on her adolescent body…… and, as you can read on her comment below, a disturbing interest in “Fisting” ….
Hope this alarming interest doesn’t originates from family inner-circle experiences……..
“14 suzy Feb 07th, 2012
How is the Argentine Secret Police, are they treating you well with that hand stuck upside your backside? It must hurt but you seem happy.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/22/cfk-agrees-to-visit-chile-after-october-23-presidential-election
(52) Tobias
You say:
”The best solution would be kick out all Argies from the UK, kick out all Britt’s from ARG.”
I say:
Bad idea……
Who am I supposed to play Bridge then? Or my ocassional game of Crocket?
Bad; baaaad idea!
Think.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have some decorum when addressing a woman. You don't need to use sexual language to show you don't agree. You're English is perfectly good enough for you to understand what I mean.
(54)
Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly me.................
It´s Croquet, not Crocket.....
My research proves that Britain has had a continuous claim to Argentina since 1806. It is as relevant as the Argentine claim over the Falkland Islands and I propose the UK government take it to the UN.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I propose an economic and shipping blockade by Latin America, Royal Navy harassment of Argentine shipping, the suspension of air links and constant ratcheting up of the rhetoric and tension, followed by a claim that Argentina is militarising itself in defence. And a call on the UN Security Council to take action against them.
There we go. I am sure you can see our claim is as relevant as theirs
In the 30 anniversary is perfect to commemorate our veterans, more than 300 died in the crucero.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0today died Spinetta, a great artist. one of our really great artists. all my condolations.
@52 tobias,
Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the best idea that l have heard for a long, long time.
There will of course be a lot of disappointed people on both sides (& l wouldn't be able to stir Think up, either! pity)
Excellent idea.
We will all have a glitches adjusting to it, but l'd be interested to know how Argentina is going to “de-malvinst” its schoolchildren & everyone else that has been “malvisterised” since the 1930's.
Only interested, as its your problem.
Great idea, hey Think? You won't be branded a squatter anymore(even though you are one!). ♥♥♥♥
Helgar: ” I believe the Belgrano was struck in outright violation of the Laws of War (as it was outside the war zone). ”
Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were also a place outside a war zone, before Argentina made one of it!
The logic some Argentines apply here is really bizarre, as it reflects a big aspect of their idionsicracy. They are really convinced, that they impose the rules and are the upholders of moral standards... tsssss
The party who starts a war, always have to have in mind the risk, that the war might expand to it's own zone of comfort. That's the GOOD thing about it, that keeps most agressive nations back from starting one.
@54 Stink
Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Showing definate Nonce tendencies now.
As Fabian Von Quintiero, a rock musician and restaurateur close to the football world, put it some years ago in an Observer profile of Maradona: “England gets very righteous about Maradona, but England scores with their hand too. The sinking of the Belgrano was a hand goal.”
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still angry about the Belgrano, Helber?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lf you were an Argentine submarine commander & you had a British warship in your sights, what would you have done?
Let it pass?
Yeah, right.
C'est la guerre.
so was sinking our ship innocently going about there own way,
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