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Chilean community in Falklands march in support of the air link with Santiago
One hundred members of the Chilean population living in the Falkland Islands were joined by 50 to 60 Islanders in a show of unity against the possibility that the weekly Lan Chile flight between Santiago and the Falklands might be discontinued at the request of Argentine President Cristina Fernandez. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesuh the chilean people is protesting...ridiculous
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0what's the problem?? I was under the impression UK illegal aliens didn't need Argentina and UK was going to take care of all the illegal aliens needs without bringing Argentina into it, didn't lan Chile get permits to fly over UK to get to Islas Malvinas Argentina??? where is UK now that you need them LOL I am afraid the illegal aliens argued themselves into a corner and place themselves between a sword and a wall.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reading the banner on the picture above clearly shows who made it.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0interesant... now if they want to work with british ,, they can visit London when they need to see their families in Chile.... hahaah... very ridiculous as the brit invasion in our Malvinas.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bull & bluster
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/bull-and-bluster/
:-)
Poor chilean indians, what are they bitching about if the air link is being cut. They can always take a ship back, with a Chilean flag of course.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0no argentine flag,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0oh well more non supporters then
Marcos and the rest of the Argies read the story first before you start slagging off thick or what your missing the point of the whole thing.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0ttfn old bean
@6 at least chile might still have some indians and didn't murder them all, like the Argies did!!!
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would rather be a Chilean Indian than an Argie......... :-)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no, just in time when Mr Cameron was thinking about tax breaks for hiring a cleaner or cooks :-)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Friday 10 February 2012
“Families could be given tax breaks for hiring cleaners and cooks to help with household chores”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9073334/Tax-breaks-for-hiring-a-cleaner-could-save-middle-class-thousands.html
#10 unfortunately for you ..... you are neither...and still like a brit come to swim with greecebags, I urge you to visit your local psychiatrist or contact your mental heath ministry. ;-)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“@6 at least chile might still have some indians and didn't murder them all, like the Argies did!!! ”
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0such a BS, plenty of indians/native americans alive in Argentina, majority blended into so called mainstream Argentine society and stop bitching and crying about the killed indians you personally don't care about.
”Would rather be a Chilean Indian than an Argie......... :-) ”
You would in your dreams, but you aren't in reality. You're a smuck, no wait, a peasant being robbed by it's own government while bitching about places you've never been and never will.
Like I said @3 “Reading the banner on the picture above clearly shows who made it” They are used by the British.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just read this:
“But not all Chileans agree with today's move. A fellow Chilean who works at a store nearby asked Clarín.com ”how many had gathered ? and he said “Fifty Chileans from nearly 250 who live here? I did not go because I do not agree with them. I told them not to be used by the islanders. ”
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Islas_Malvinas-armamento-conflicto-Chile_0_643135904.html
Your CommentMarcos - who do you think organised and called the meeting?- Members of the Chilean Community.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who do you think invited Islanders to join them in a show of mutual support? - Members of the Chilean Community.
Please tell me how Chileans have been used by Islanders?
@ 13 Fido Dido
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fido you live in Holland right? When did you last visit Argentina? Get a good Word Fact book or something.
Yes there are Amerindians in Argentina but unlike the rest of South America - where in most places they make up the majority - in Argentina they only make up 10% of the population. There has been some increase in this population in recent years but this is mainly as a resulting of inward migration from other parts of Latin America.
There is a reason why Argentina has the smallest Indian population of any South American country they were slaughtered in a genocide known as the The Conquest of the Desert - campaign directed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca in the 1870s. About 1.5 million Amerindians were slaughtered.
Just as the Argentine nationalists on here with explain the work of their countries death squads during the 70's and early 80's as being a legitimate campaign against lefist terrorists (50,000 - 100,000 deaths - the highest death toll in the whole of Operation Condor - a CIA orchestrated campaign carried out throughout Latin America, to make it viable for the puppet fascist military dictators to control their populations so American corporations could buy up their resources and businesses), they are also very vocal in trying to recast the Conquest of the Desert as a minor military campaign against marauding Indians. You can see the re-edits and multiple rewrites on Wikipedia for this. I suggest however, that if you want to read about the Conquest of the Desert you get a good book, one not written by an Argentine.
Fido, its great to see the Dutch taking such interest in the Falklands, I hope you'll tell everyone in Holland to support us. You wouldn't like it if the German's claimed your country because it was close to them and they had an historical record of having occupied you in the recent past!!!
If you want to understand Argentine mentality read their history. If you want to understand the Falklands visit before
The Amerindinas - who make up 10% of Argentina's population - are also the poorest 10% in Argentina, they are the most uneducated group in Argentina, the most likely to be found in prison, or in our of the poorest barrios.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a very European country a cultural fusion of Italian-Spainish-British, probably more European than Holland is these days, it's like taking a trip to the Costa del Sol.
1.5 million indians slaughtered... in a territory that at BEST at the arrival of European conquest had 300,000 individuals.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0British math escapes me, but the nature of lying is universal. Easily noted.
I sometimes wonder if people like anti-fascist are serious about what they write. The Falklands history may well be disputed, but to actually state with a straight face that INTERNAL argentine history is best understood by foreign books. That's some nerve, not to say inverecund arrogance and quite frankly nazi sense of superiority. Odd, for an anti-fascist.
It seems to me that, if some day the Kelpers decide to live under a non-British flag, they will pick the Chilean one. I cannot help finding this scenario quite amusing. Chauvinistic Argentines would drown in anger.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 01. the phrase of the flag (apoyar la comunidad chilena de las islas falklands) has no meaning in Spanish, having asked deveria at least some Chilean and is the translation! please redo the flag correctly to see what it says.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 02. seeing this photo .... there may be some idiot in the world who believes that the march was over a hundred Chilean accompanied by 50 to 60 islanders ....? are very funny.
18 tobias
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0It certainly wasn't 1,300, which is what the Argentines editing Wikipedia want people to believe. The consensus of academic research is the figures is far higher and I've read a least one source that states 1.5 million. It is also believe by some of the “experts” I've read that the purpose of the Conquest of the Desert was to exterminate the Amerindian population from Patagonia.
On that subject there is also the Afro Argentine genocide. The black population resulting from the slave trade during the centuries of Spanish domination of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata had a major role in Argentine history. Throughout the eighteenth and 19th centuries, it comprised up to fifty per cent of the population in some provinces and had a deep impact on national culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro_Argentine
There seems to be a lot of these things in Argentina, even as recently as the 1970's early 80's thus my analogy with Operation Condor.
Few aborigines, hardly any Afros, a lot fewer leftists. Any hope for the Falkland Islanders?
The problem with studying Argentine literature is, for an outsider, it's very difficult to validate the credentials of the author. So many of you compatriots are hot headed super nationalists and even some of the most educated Argentinians defend what would be the indefensible any where else. I compare it to Zimbabwe, where after 30 years under Mugabe only people who have a vested interest in the system get to comment on it.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0See few chilean workers with banners and union jack flagging in their hands is really bizarre....hmm.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway dont worry soon Piñera and CFK will talk about it, lets wait.
Advice, Tierra del Fuego need real qualify workers chilean brothers, not cleanning houses, nunny, cookers, etc.
Anti, the Falklands are safely under British protection, which is warranted I would admit. There is no possibility of anything ocurring there. With that backdrop, I don't understand the whining of many here about Argentine history. The Falkland Islands are not threatened, and could not be threatened. Nothing has really changed.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no expert opinion of 1.5 million, if there were you would have provided credible sources. No contributor here ever has. It's a canard, simply put. That is not to deny a genocide ocurred, and genocide is genocide, whether it's 100 or 6 million.
Which is why criticizing Argentine history from a British perspective is so risible. I did a bit of history searching: The UK has had prime ministers only since the 1730s. That's 280 years, which means for another 900 year before that, tyrants and despots ruled.
Not to even get into the genocides, deracinations, tribal and clan warfare, witchhunts, religious persecutions...
Why do you guys keep bringing up history? The first to raise the issue on this thread was at @9. Which proves what I have been saying, it is always the other side that raises completely unrelated issues to the fore, especially for some reason a recount of “bloody” history.
And in that category, Britain categorically wins.
Maybe the flights to the islands are never blocked. I think the president should never break the oil agreement, we must approach the islanders and not isolating that position them away even more. I do not agree with those who say q must expel the islanders to live in New Zealand or an island of Scotland, if in the future will come to an agreement the favored Argentina looks great, the fact that they speak English is an advantage , one could make cultural exchanges, but for this to happen we must approach them, not isolate them and in the future if all goes well the islanders would accept such that Argentines come to the islands without having to sellarles your passport in exchange for something else, q are small steps could be reached, it could reach an agreement if we unite in bonds of friendship and 50 years may be called the islands “FALKVINAS” port Stanley change his name and would be called British port Argentine is a personal opinion, a point of view of how the conflict could be solved. I am Argentine and I stress again that I do not agree with some who say that in the case of Argentina regained the islands they are driven to another location.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcio, you are right. That's what should be done. The problem is that neither side wants to act in that way. Our politicians don't want to pay the political cost and the Islanders seem to like to put the common Argentine against them.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21
I know this is going to be hard for you to swallow, but your numbers are really bullshit. What's today Patagonia didn't have more than 100.000 inhabitants. Even before 1500. And that's taking Chile's side too. In the Pampas at most there were 100.000 more. So that gives us 200.000 in the really best of the cases.
And they weren't all killed. The most extreme figures give 100.000 deaths “as a result of the conquest”, not as direct murder.
And you are wrong about the Afro-Argentines. 5% of all Argentines had a certain degree of African heritage. Scientist claim as much as 25% could have it but they don't know.
It's right that Afro-Argentines weren't the best treated among the people here, but it was as result of their socioeconomic position, which was almost unanimous in most of America for blackmen. So they were first line soldiers, they suffered most from the epidemics. Believe it or not, there wasn't an evil masterplan to eradicate them from the country.
And as another proof to you, if we were such fucking genocides, you wouldn't see any Bolivians or Paraguayans in the country, espeacially for the opinion people have on them. But oh surprise, there are like 4 million of them.
I do not know much about the Afro-argentine situation (since there is really sadly little documentation), but again, and sounding like a broken record, anglo-saxons complaining about treatment of blacks is so completely absurd, when Africans were 3rd class citizens up till the 1970s in most British colonies, and up till the 1990s in another (taking a worldwide campaign to end the iniquity!). It's really remarkable how these people have no shame and come here with their hatred of Argentina to tell lies (EVEN when they do have a lot of genuine criticism to throw at us!).
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0And in Australia and New Zealand, the aborigenes and Maoris are still highly disadvantaged, in what are supposedly otherwise very advanced societies (that actually makes the inequality even more unnaceptable).
...but yeah the numbers thrown by the other side are so laughable it is really sad. The worst part is that the “serious” contributors conviniently stay silent and don't call their own on their bs. The best part is, history books in Britain seem to be edited weekly: last week it was 1 million killed, this week is up to 1.5 million!
Who can take them seriously on anything they say, quite simple really.
And for a country of fascists, it's interesting that as you mentioned, Argentina is home to more Latin American migrants (most native indians), than all other countries in Latin America COMBINED. In Chile, they do everything to stop them, short of shooting them at the border (though they have antipersonel mines). So much for that.
Uruguay, well, they never would tolerate illegals using their facilities.
Typical of a nazi country, right? Letting so many immigrants to come in over the last 30 years.
it was broadcast to brazil, on a tv chanel, they even made an interview with the britsh commander who was describe as “very polite”, he even made a trip with the tv team around the military base. Also they are planning a program to show touristic places for brazilians. Well , im even planning a trip to there, who knows? Any reliable touristic agency?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, i keep my neutral position.
Greetings.
Chile has to stand up for its citizens, Britain for its as well. Argentina has to allow its citizens to visit the graves of their children who died as a result of the aggression of Argentina. You can't just say it was a junta and the people of the country played no part. The whole country was excited about the conquest but should warned by the loss. Germans have to atone for the sins of the past and you never hear them saying it was not really Germans who were the aggressors...
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a % of the population this is quite an impressive show of support 4% to be exact.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now how many protests in Argentina have we seen in support of the re-conquista and overriding of democracy of the Falklands numbering 1,600,000?
I think maybe those few inbreds (who quite possibly fathered a great many of the Argie mercopress warriors here) numbered only a few dozen :) hahah!
Which confirms my belief that the only people who care in Argentina about Malvinas ranting and poking the British lion with a stick is confined to the frothing at the mouth nationalist inbred types i.e the minority :)
Uruguay should allow flights to the Falkland Islands from Carrasco and that's it.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a pity that our president won't do it because it seems he's Ms. CFK's servant. Perhaps, it would be good if the UK supported Uruguay a little bit more so our politicians wouldn't so afraid to do as they should...
I would recommend that this lady better took care of her people in Argentina and stop all the bullshit about the islands where not even 1 Argie has lived, lives or will ever live.
Not a good week for the argies :)))))
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are telling us there are 300 Chileans on the Malvinas.If this is the case the vast majority wanted nothing to with these lot who interestingly cant get a one liner correct in Spanish.Sounds like something tghey flew in from London.As for the notion that its a huge segment of the population 95% live in Puerto Argentino anyway so where were they.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Our friend Anti fascist has been looking in the mirror again and being unable to find anywhere in English literature the soul searching we find in German for their massive war crimes.They are a unique race the English completely unable to accept the genocides they made around the World.In fact they make the Turks look contritional.
28 DanMoura
Feb 10th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you do come to the Falkland Islands. This is the main travel agency:
http://www.falklandstravel.com/
33 Ogaga
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Out spouting illiterate rubbish again I see.
I know a lot of the Irish talk funny (to us it's quite enchanting) but you just grate on the ears.
Where on earth do you come up with this tripe? You must spend hours screwing up the context on any comics you read because you do not seem able to concisely rationalise an intelligent argument.
I await the usual personal diatribe in response.
I was at the Chilean show of support for the Islanders last night. It was a great thing to see. The organisers, who definitely are Chilean, felt very strongly that sending a message to their government and a show of support to the Islands and the people within them was the right thing to do. Regardless of your opinion on the 'Falklands Issue' these people have the right to make a stand for what they believe. Just a little thing called freedom of speech.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Marcos (14)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to burst your bubble but there was no involvement from the Falkland Islanders or Brits in the Chilean protest. Ask your Clarin reporter who tried to involve herself in the Chilean meeting held at the Chamber of Commerce in Stanley, she was not allowed to attend, as it was Chileans only.
I know the majority of these Chileans who organised and attended the protest and they are all valuable members of the community. I work and socialise with most of them and their contribution to these islands are invaluable.
@6 - What's the deal with saying “Chilean Indians”? I'm assuming that's supposed to be a disparaging remark? Is this correct?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We open our doors to all latam community, includes chilean , whose have a big inmigration in Arg. Patagonian: as in Rio Gallegos, Rio Grande, Comodoro Rivadavia, Ushuaia & Malvinas. They use our health & Education system more than an argentine use, i saw that in Rio Gallegos. We dont care if they are indian descendent or not. We are a open country with : Italian, Spanish, Welsh, English, Russian first and Paraguayan, Peruvian, Uruguayan, Chilean too.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 tobias
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have a “hatred to Argentina”. But there are plenty of Argentine super nationalists on here with a hatred of the British.
I haven't had time to give my sources but those editing the wiki site to the lowest figures and explaining away the genocide in terms of destroying marauding Indians, echo the same super nationalists who post on this site explaining away the tens of thousands of Argentines raped, murdered and dumped into the Atlantic Ocean, in terms of “they were leftist terrorists and therefore deserved to be murdered”.
You would have to go back several generations in most Western countries to a far more disturbing age to find that kind of logic.
@39 - Wow, that's quite the utopic picture you paint. Have you been to Villa General Belgrano lately? There's an interesting historical depiction of the original indigenous inhabitants of what is now central Argentina meeting the Spaniards. It clearly shows the Indians as looking Neanderthal-like, i.e., subhuman, when meeting the noble-looking Spaniards. That and Fido Dido's remark just made me wonder if this is a recurring theme in Argentina?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be super if Fido Dido could answer my question as to whether or not his remark was meant to be disparaging.
@1, 2, 3 & 4 Getting nervous? Not all South American people support argieland? I can smell the fear. We know that Peru and Uruguay feel the same way.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 How did it feel to get kicked out of Canada?
@13 “such a BS, plenty of indians/native americans alive in Argentina”. Unfortunately, only about 10% of the population. Including the half-breeds. You murdered the rest.
@24 But your country only goes back 191 years! Bit poor to compare yourself to a nation where the population has had rights for at least 793 years. In fact, “rights” in England go back at least 300 years before that. Let's call it 1,100 years. Because you know little about English or British history. Let's stay with argieland. In your 191 years, is there any of the countries around you with whom you have not had at least one war? You've had two with Brazil. One with Bolivia and Peru. One with Uruguay. One with Paraguay. One with the natives of Patagonia and one with the natives of Gran Chaco. Not to mention your internal wars. That's almost continuous war! I've looked for common factors. Guess what? When Britain is involved, argieland loses!
@33 It is doubtful if any country has conducted so many genocides or been so proud of them as argieland. But who would expect an IRA terrorist to understand that?
@39 Really? But you foster (i.e. encourage) European immigration, don't you? Section 25 of your constitution says so!
Conqueror, well, if that's the case, then why isn't Argentina speaking English like Australia and South Africa.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't interesting that Argentina is the only country TODAY who has no border disputes with it's Latin American neighbors? Chile does (with Peru on the sea), Bolivia does (with Paraguay on the Chaco and Chile for the sea access), Uruguay does (with Brazil for the Rincon de Artigas and another area), Brazil does (with Uruguay for the same thing and another area, and with Bolivia and Paraguay over Itaipu), Ecuador and Peru have, Colombia and Venezuela Have, Colombia and Nicaraguay have, Venezuela and Guyana have, and on and on and on.
Argentina has established and settled borders with Uruguay, with Paraguay, with Bolivia, with Brazil and now even with Chile (pending the final approval of the last agreement by the Chilean side).
This is quite ironic for the argie haters isn't? The only country in the Americas with settled borders with their land neighbors is Argentina (even Canada and the USA have a border dispute either in the great lakes or the area near Quebec).
And where is your diploma on argie history? You have none, nuff said.
lol get kicked out ?? I still live in Canada but Argentina is better since you can legally execute pirates and british illegal aliens anywhere they hide.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Dismembered body of British scientist found in rural Argentina
The dismembered body of a retired British scientist has been discovered close to his home in a rural part of northern Argentina.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/9018786/Dismembered-body-of-British-scientist-found-in-rural-Argentina.html
here is a clue for you I am a native who if deported has land rights in san juan Argentina in the area of iglecias barrick gold property illegaly occupyed native land, and to answer how I will feel to go back and claim my land ????? I feel likea gold mine how else do you think I feel when all the gold was found in myland, when I take over it and close the roads I will rename it Malvinas Argentina Gold mine. give it about 3 months and you'll see me on TV.
What kind of person celebrates a crime? Get a gripp, pirat-hunter.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am the kind of person who's country is occupyed by pirates and illegal aliens who are armed with nukes, if terrorist get a nuclear sub I think we should get to the homes of terrorist and execute them for supporting terrorism, you have UK arming terrorists and we Argentine have our own fist to make justice. no need for UN and useless meetings we can fix our problems with our own two fists, why wait for them when illegal aliens can be fixed with s single head shot, they can always go back to UK if they don't want to become Argentines they are free to choose, Argentina will not force them to stay as UK does.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 02 Pirat-Hunter
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'didn't lan Chile get permits to fly over UK to get to Islas Malvinas'
Get a geography lesson! How could the LAN flight between Chile and the Falklands fly over the UK?!!!!!
Then why isn't Argentina speaking English like Australia and South Africa.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[perhaps being rules by Spain might have helped a little bit,]
I am the kind of person whose country is occupied by pirates and illegal aliens who are armed with nukes,///
[if you are argentine, then you agree that Argentina is occupied by pirates and illegal aliens
Armed with nukes, pps where did Argentina get these nukes, [Airfix perhaps ]
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Until 1959, Chile had an Honorary Consulate in Stanley. The last Consul was Mr. Duncan Russell Watson (1953-1959). Perhaps it would be in Chile's national interest to re-open such Consulate. Unless, there are some non-Chilean “reasons”? Who knows.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
I think all this nonsense, Argentines should respect the will of the inhabitants of the Falklands, and not be so silly ... I would very much that the Falklands and Brazil have partnerships and tourist trade, I'd love to know the island.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not so long ago they were nearly friends,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then CFK decided on a bit of distraction, and look where we are now,
drop the strop and re-join the real world,
before you disintergrate .
Josecijr, I assume you are Brazilian. If you want to go to Falklands, I recommend you to also come to Tierra del Fuego. You can do and see almost the same as in Falklands and more too.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be nice if Latin America could have normal relationships with the Islands but the way the Islanders act only angers more the Argentine government and ties to Argentina are light years more important to Brazil and the rest of the region.
#47 I don't know but apparently the illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina figure out a way with the help of UK, they stated and I quote “We do not depend on any country, not even England”
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.en.mercopress.com/2012/02/07/except-for-defence-falklands-don-t-need-anything-from-any-country-says-mla-sawle
perhaps mr. MLA Sawle should pick his words carefully next time, he is going to eat them in two weeks fresh from Uruguay, and UK?? as usual sleeping at the driving wheel!
52 JuanStanic
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''the way the Islanders act only angers more the Argentine government''
How do we act? Explain what it is that we do that angers the Argentine government?
54 Monty69
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Monty, we know how to 'anger' them: WE TELL THEM THE TRUTH.
@54
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I tried to said people and got confused. In this case it would be the mierda sea cup.
But regarding the goverment it's pretty clear. I could even make a list, but now I'm lazy. So just a few ones for now:
-Oil exploration.
-Fishing licenses.
-Not wanting to negotiate.
-Calling Cristina a bitch.
-Complaining of what we do over our own undisputed sovereign land.(I am talking about things like the flights, not letting ships with your flag in, going after fishing boats)
56 JuanStanic
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought as much.
So anything that is not allowing ourselves to be walked all over by you makes you very angry.
Anything that allows us to develop our economy and maintain our economic independence from both Argentina and Britain, yes that makes you angry too. Even though the UN has made it very clear that the inhabitants of all non- self- governing territories have the right to develop their resources as they see fit.
Ditto having an opinion of our own, particularly about the princess of peace, despite the fact that it is apparently ok for your politicians to call the Prime Minister of Great Britain names.
Oh and not negotiating away our future, that makes you cross too.
I think we'll have to live with the fact that we are making you very angry with us. I don't mind very much. 20 years ago you were very happy to co-operate with us on many areas of mutual benefit. We haven't changed, you have. I can't see any reason for us not to just wait for reason to prevail.
Oh and you can do whatever you like with your own territory. Bullying your neighbours and telling them what to do with their territory gives us every right to complain and we will, even if you think that is very naughty of us.
As for the cup, I think you should consider the gross offence intended to Falkland Islanders everytime one of your peaceful and diplomatic politicians gets up in front of a map of the Falkland Islands in Argentine colours. That image has a very similar meaning to us.
Monty69
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't mess us and our goverment. People don't care of most of the stuff. They care about the cup, the chileans there(which a very, very suspicious sentence in a amazingly weird Spanish). The others only matters to the goverment. You have to make the difference. Government=/=People.
I mean really this. If you ask the people, most don't know we were cooperating 20 years ago. It didn't have an effect on our daily lives. And now to not cooperate is the same. So you haven't changed and so didn't we. The one that changed was goverment strategy. We believe we should get the islands back and it's our duty, but as long as it doesn't mean war or meddling our daily lives, then the government can choose the path they want, and most of us will support it in a degree because without our support it doesn't mean nothing.
About the neighbours, again I say it has to do with the goverment, not the people. People is not affected at all, only that they see you complaining and say “They always complain. But they won't negotiate or give the Islands to us”. And there it ended people's attention to you.
As for the flag, you should think this. What would people care if you are pissed off, meaning you won't negotiate, if you already don't do so. Now should you care if our people is pissed off at you? You should, because it will have an effect on the policies of the goverment towards you. The more they are pissed off, the worst the policies. And viceversa.
Besides, 20 years ago we did painted the Islands with our colors(I remember doing so at school), and I didn't saw any mierda sea cup back then.
58 JuanStanic
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be clear about where this is all coming from.
Falkland Islanders don't always complain about you and they didn't have offensive cups 20 years ago (or t-shirts or posters- I guess you haven't seen those), because there was no reason.
There is reason now. Your government is pursuing an agressive policy towards us to try to wreck our economy. Of course we are going to complain. It might not affect your daily lives but it is designed to ruin ours. What do you expect us to do?
You don't care whether we are pissed off or not? Well you should. You want something from us. You aren't going to get sovereignty, and we will not negotiate. (You should however remember that your government refuses to recognise our right to any opinion at all, so I'm not sure why you are interested in what we think)
The next best thing for you would be for the British military to go away and for us to co-operate over fishing and hydrocarbons. There will come a day when you realise that this is the best you can aim for, and you will have to start being a bit more polite.
I would just add that people tend to get the respect they deserve. If you don't want to be despised by Falkland Islanders, then your leaders should be encouraged by you to act in a more responsible way. We understand what you want , but you must understand that your wishes do not give you licence to behave in any way that occurs to you.
And I don't agree with 'vice versa'; there is nothing we can do to improve your policies towards us. You have to decide to change.
I'm sad that you were made to colour our map with your colours. What a shockingly futile exercise. There should be no place for that kind of thing in any school.
Monty.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, this all is coming from the daily comments of people. And that's from the most pro-Malvinas province of all.
I think you didn't get my point. You can do whatever you want regarding our goverment. I stated what does make them agry. Why it does and how they react is a matter of them, as long as they don't meddle with our lives and they don't start a war. We will support their policies, but not because you were the cause(in the case you did).
We all know you won't negotiate. You didn't when the goverment wanted to cooperate. So if you didn't at our best effort to be good to you, then whats the point of actually caring about how you feel. Even the best of our efforts won't get to the point of negotiating, so it's useless to care.
But I want to correct you. Our goverment only wants you to be part of Argentina. You want to be your own province? Ok. You want to keep your institution? Go ahead. You want to keep English as your official language? Do it.
If we get to that day, it will only be because of the government. To most of the people, to cooperate or not is the same. So people will only be polite to you when you stop angering them, the people, not the government.
Again, I tell you. If you have a problem with our goverment policies, limit it to that, to the government. As long as our lives are the same and a war is avoided, the government can choose the path they believe the best.
No, you can do quite a lot. If you just said. “Ok, the way things are going aren't the best for neither of us. We can try cooperating again and maybe in a future negotiations could be held”. Not meaning you will negotiate, but you bet the situation would be different.
And you shouldn't be sad. Our teachers encouraged us to paint it, but it wasn't an obligation. Most of us were happy with it and so wanted to paint it that way. Here we love our country since young, you should go to a school or see how we are raised. It's good to love our country.
Argentina wants to drag the whole of Latin America, kicking and screaming into a fight they have no interest in and no desire to get involved in. From what I can make out, they have been trying to keep the Argentine government quiet. The more Argentina pushes them the sooner some of them will break. When they do it will b bye bye Argentina.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina needs to grow up and stop playing the nationalism card. Already they are looking like the Zimbabwe of South America. With nothing else to talk about apart from the Falklands, the Argentine economy (with one of the highest inflation rates in the world) will soon disintegrate.
60 JuanStanic
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for trying to explain.
@JuanStanic,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The way I see the status of the Falklands is that there's now a diplomatic stalemate which even a political leader who'd want to back down from can't, because it would be political suicide either in the UK or Argentina to compromise their current position in any particular. So this is likely to go on for the foreseeable future...
And given that this is likely to go on for the foreseeable future, does it really make sense for Kirchner to alienate the islanders by trying to starve them out through blockading shipments of fresh fruit and veg, eggs etc? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16980747
Perhaps someone should complain to the UN on their behalf...
Sorry, meant to say more than that.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will have to agree to disagree I think. I have great difficulty in understanding why you think Falkland Islanders would want to negotiate? I think you see that as an insult in itself.
Your pride in your country is fine, but you are allowing it to distort your thinking.
We wouldn't want to negotiate our sovereignty away to anyone- it isn't personal (or at least ot wouldn't be if you didn't insist on making it personal).
It's simple; stop persuing hateful policies and we'll stop hating you. We won't however want to negotiate. There is nothing that you can do that would make that happen. So wouldn't it be better if we all got along like neighbours?
60 JuanStanic
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is to negotiate? We will continue blockade and then occupy them! This is Argentine islands and Argentine oil, being drilled by colonial pirates, protect by pirate ships, sooner all destroyed better.
Clearly, Malvinas is Argentine, claim exist since before Argentina exist. This is well documented that we renounce claim in 1850 but claim was resurrected under Peron who traveled to Italy and adopted policies of Mussolini fascist party in order to make Argentina great nation that it became.
As part of expanded living space, we must continue this policy and we must take over Terra del Fuego and Beagle Channel and then Malvinas.
My grandfather while working for Intelligence visit Indonesia in 1976 to copy plans they used for invasion of Portuguese East Timor and removal of colonial population to be copied in invasion of Malvinas.
If we had copied these plans our invasion would be success and like East Timor is part of Indonesia, Malvinas would now be part of Argentina. World has very short memory.
In order to do good for our country we must do bad things. This is what my grandfather always says.
We know Malvinas never been under Argentine sovereignty but gifted to us by Papal Bull in 1496. No one can argue with Pope or God, that whole of South America given by him to Spain.
Go home colonial pirates w claim you land before our country exist, you can not argue with that. You live there almost 200 years illegally, you have no rights. We will own your homes, farms, businesses, oil and fish.
You will be made to speak Spanish, drive on right, obey our laws, live under our government and governor. In return we give you right to be reborn like our national hero James Peck.
James Peck is son of Malvinas War traitor Terry Peck, he was awarded MBE for helping British occupy our land. Unlike his father, James is brave, patriot, his father will be turning in his grave.
You can all be reborn like James Peck. Or you can die like Terry Peck!
65 Filippo
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trolling again from the UK?
Deebles
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the point. If any politician here(of importance of course) started to say the whole effort is not worth it, then at that same moment his future political career ended, and problably he won't be able to walk in the street without being heavily insulted.
Monty
I agree we disagree. Personally I don't think the current strategy is the best one. But if I'm asked for my support I will give it to them, because of what I believe. Besides, we don't elect politicians for their strategy towards the issue. Nobody does. We do for other things. So if they think the way they face the subject is a good one, go ahead. I would do differently but I'm okay with this one.
And my pride does distort my thinking. Our ways of being and our beliefs always distort our thinking. It happens in every person. That's one of the things that makes people different.
I have to remember you. Being bad neighbours or being good neighbours won't change our daily lives(Argentine ones, your you tell me). Cooperating or not wouldn't either. We just want sovereignity of the Islands because we think they are ours. But to recover them is government task, not ours. If it was so, we would massively go there in boats and refuse to leave. So the government decides the policies. But if you piss off us, the people, we would claim the government to be harsher. If you don't, odds are the next government would do other policies.
Tobias: Isn't interesting that Argentina is the only country TODAY who has no border disputes with it's Latin American neighbors?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0___
BS...Argentina has relatively lots of border disputes.Claims against Chile (Campos de Hielo), against Uruguay (Diego Garcia Island ) and against UK ( the Falkland Islands )...
68
Feb 13th, 2012 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fail. Diego Garcia is like 10.000 kms away.The Island is Martin Garcia, and the issues are settled. So settled that even as the shape of the islands quickly changes from sedimentation no dispute has raised.
With Chile we at least can negotiate over what we claim our territory and they claim theirs.
The only problematic one is Malvinas.
@65 Filippo: wrong - East Timor is not a part of Indonesia; it is independent.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would not go invoking the Catholic Church - the Pope has no jurisdiction apart from that given to the Vatican by the Italian Fascists.
11 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:00 am
Feb 13th, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no, just in time when Mr Cameron was thinking about tax breaks for hiring a cleaner or cooks :-)
Friday 10 February 2012
“Families could be given tax breaks for hiring cleaners and cooks to help with household chores”
Oh goody that will help my bank account, and it means I can employ another cleaner and an assistant cook to help with my already over worked staff, by the way Marcus would you like a job in England if your any good at cooking you could come and work for me and if you have a wife she could help with the cleaning or you could if you wish do a bit of gardening for me. Its free board and all you can eat and I will pay both of you the minimum wage, which I suspect, is more than you are earning now in Argentina. Just think Marcus after a few years you can go back to your country and be regarded as a millionaire.
65 Filippo MORON 5
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a film everyone should watch. It should be compulsory education in Argentine schools to learn about their country recent history, instead of teaching lies about the Falkland Islands (the imaginary Malvinas - which Argentina has NEVER had sovereignty over).
That something like this was allowed to happen is a crime against humanity, 50,000-100,000 raped, tortured, mutilated, murdered and disappeared (Borges). Unborn babies ripped out of their mothers wombs, young children taken from their parents, who were murdered by the heroic Argentine military.
Anyone of you born in the 70's? I hope your lucky enough to know who your real parents are...
The Official Story / La historia official (1985)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LF5II0wIY
It's a film everyone should watch. Feel shame because the specter of fascism still grips Argentina and as Martino Moreno said “If publishing the truth is forbidden, then lies, ignorance and poverty will follow”.
Argentina's history is still being written by Moreno's assassins.
MERCOPRESS NEWS:
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I: “Chilean community in Falklands march in support of the air link with Santiago” , under the kelper pressure.....
II: “Chilean gov and people in march will support Arg. Malvinas in Santiago” , under the visit of CFK to Chile......
of course that in a desperate act Cameron in the middle calls Piñera.
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