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Argentina backs Uruguay trade delegation to Falklands: “we’re not for the blockade”
The Argentine government sees with good eyes that a Uruguayan trade delegation travelled to the Falklands/Malvinas in spite of the ‘dialectic conflict’ with the UK over the sovereignty of the Islands, said the Argentine ambassador in Montevideo, Dante Dovena. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIslanders are shocked... haha
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so another humiliating failure followed by frantic backpeddling while screaming about being the victim
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina never changes
In what we don’t agree is that natural resources, live marine resources and the oil and gas resources that might exist are exploited and extracted to be managed by the English or whatever nationality
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Nationality can extract the oil then?
The standard of English in this translation is appaling, but that makes no sense at all!!!!!
we the argies see with good eyes the trade with the kelpers... because when Malvinas´ll return to Argentina we found developed people... and not people with resentment (like now) living in a dictatorship..
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last paragraph is a major mistake. As the Uruguayans will have found out. If they didn't already know. Britain arrived in the Falklands in 1690 with Captain John Strong RN. Was there an Argentina? There was not. In 1765 Captain John Byron RN officially claimed the Islands. Was there an Argentina? There was not. In 1766 Captain John McBride RN constructed the fort at Port Egmont. Was there an Argentina? There was not. The Spanish expelled the British in 1770 but Britain threatened war. Spain capitulated, agreed to return all property and make reparations. Britain returned in 1771. In 1776 Britain evacuated the settlement but did not relinquish sovereignty. In 1828 Luis Vernet was given permission by the British to establish a commercial venture on the Islands. The United Provinces of the River Plate then appointed Vernet governor in 1829. Britain protested. Vernet then engaged in piracy against United States sealing vessels prompting the visit of the USS Lexington in December 1831. Vernet and several of his colleagues were arrested and removed. Britain returned in 1833 to re-establish sovereignty. Captain John Onslow RN requested removal of the UP flag and garrison. Settlers were encouraged to remain and most did. Particularly after having been paid in silver by Captain Onslow in place of the worthless paper issued by Vernet. The UP pirates sailed away on 5 January 1833. In 1849/50 Argentina and Britain signed and ratified a Convention to settle all outstanding differences. Britain was in control of the Falkland Islands. The Convention did not mention the Islands. And so it remained until the cowardly and underhand Argentine invasion and occupation in April 1982. Britain forced an Argentine surrender in 24 days. Only one response to the argies now. “You are out of your tiny minds. Go away and leave our people alone. Or else.”
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We don't want to affect the lives of the islanders”
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give me a break. LOL! Who are you trying to fool?
Malvi
Why would we be shocked? This is Argentina we're talking about here. Why would we be shocked?
By the way you Argentine gutless wonders. Nobody has had the guts to answer my questions from the last few days:
What do you Argentines think about the way your CFK, your government, your nation, treats the Argentine war dead and their families?
on one side Chileans want to break the law and fly over Argentina illegally while on the other hand the illegal aliens are shocked Uruguay want's to help illegal aliens, we hope Uruguay can extend the same humanitarian aid to Palestine, the illegal aliens in USA and the Romanian Gypsys in UK, we wouldn't like to come across as racist bastards who help only europids and white trash,they don't need our help, we can all see europids help themselves leaching on everyone else. USA didn't care if Cubans ate or not nor did UN or UK say much when Iraq was under a blockade living in hunger, let me guess 3000 white europids are worth a lot more then Gypsys, Cubans and Muslims very interesting, actions talk louder then words.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie LIARS!!!!! Please can one of you phone this bloke in his Embassy and ask him then WHY has Argentina ever since Dec 2003 refused to allow cargo flights with fresh produce to come from Chile across their airspace?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why have they refused several international passenger charter flights to land in Argentina and fly on to the Islands.
What has it to do with Argentina to make comments abt
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay trade delegation to Falklands:
Surely this is for them to comment,
Just seems odd,
Perhaps Argentina will comment
Speak on be halve or the Chilean government
When Britain goes there soon.
Just thought .
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Talk about mixed messages on the one hand we will give you trade on the other we will impose restrictions when we feel like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
“4 nitrojuan” What the hell you talking about dictatorship and resentment ! There is only 1 person who dictates and who is bullying the islanders and that is Cristina Fernández, and the only people have resentment is the small majority of Argies who built this hatred towards the British through there twisted minds, I can tell now ! There is a large population of Argentina don't care about the Falkland Islands and just want to give peace a chance something that the current president is saying but not doing. Turn up the heat all you want but the UN will back the islanders 100% not a country who´s population is over 40 million. Let the islanders live in peace for god sake.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to se my fellow Uruguayos making attempts to deal with the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).
Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At lease they can reach the Islands using their own boats and put two fingers up to this lying toad of CFK's.
All we want now is for flights direct from Carrasco (MVD) to the Falklands to really wind the whiners and bleaters up.
I might even turn up at Punta and see what gives in their meeting 'held by Uruguayans' and take a few photographs. If they have any sense they will boycott it.
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Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually “13 Pirat-Hunter” I am British and a resident in Argentina with all the rights and to vote and Its people like you who give Argentina a bad name ! The only racist is “you” against the rest of the world.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here here ChrisR! Glad to see Uruguayans supporting the Islanders and their right to self-determination!
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Islas Moron
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was the Argentines that were shocked.
We have a new name for the Argentine Falklands fanatics - MORONS.
I'm sending you a dummy to play with.
I think all this nonsense, Argentines should respect the will of the inhabitants of the Falklands, and not be so silly ... I would very much that the Falklands and Brazil have partnerships and tourist trade, I'd love to know the island.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I got it. Interesting strategy. I think it could work.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/this-lady-is-for-turning/
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
#14 says a brit. maybe you can tell that to your brothers, the illegal aliens squatting in islas Malvinas Argentina.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will believe Dovena when we see unhindered air and sea links between Monte and the Falklands..
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 01947 - Uruguay and Britain sign an agreement for flights between the Islands and Montevideo.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 01952 - October 21st, Argentina protests at Uruguay's appointment of a consular agent and also complains about an agreement for an air link to the Falklands. Uruguay's Government point out that the vice-consul was appointed in 1924 and the agreement signed in 1947.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
Uruguay was bullied out of that link once before !
Older Islanders will remember RMS Darwin sailing regularly between Montevideo and Stanley. Not quite as fast as Lan Chile, but regular as clockwork. I hope this link comes to be again.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the meeting in Punta del Este to be organised by the Argentine embassy, I read this as desperate canvassing after the ambassador realised Argentina enjoys little or no support from ordinary Uruguayans. The Uruguayan government's statements are merely lip-service, and growing noticeably less enthusiastic.
Mercosur will no longer exist in its present form, if at all, in a few years' time.
In fact, Mercosur will not exist in is present form. There are two scenarios. It's replaced by a UNASUR trade block (the best one as it makes the power balance more equilibrated). Or it becomes more and more Argentina-Brazil dominated.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0But in anycase, Paraguay's and Uruguay's economies, specially the last one, are utterly dependant on Argentina and Brazil.
What if Argentina bans Argentines tourist to Uruguay?
Tourism is a golden egg for Uruguay and more than 50% of the tourists are Argentine.
They are not stupid, they will go where money is.
Air Falkland has a good ring to it with flights to South Africa/Europe and to Asia over the South Pole via Australia and New Zealand. After all the Falkland Islands are the Gateway to the Antarctic.The tourist figures would soar. Time to use some of that oil bonanza money on some world class tourist hotels.South Georgia is a 'jewel in the crown' for sustainable Antarctic tourism.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watching Whale Wars makes you realise what a great crowd they are for taking on the Japanese whaling fleet in their 50 year old trawlers.
Time to bring on the marine protected area. No more Argie tanks on
manouevres in the Antarctic.
24 JuanStanic - I agree with your vision of Mercosur's lack of a future. As for your question “What if Argentina bans Argentines tourist to Uruguay?” I suspect that Brazilians, Paraguayans, Chileans, and even impoverished Europeans, would be glad to buy up houses owned by Argentines, at half price.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Why not tell it to the illegal genocidal Spaniards squatting in south-eastern South America? You twinkies have just been declared a rogue terrorist state. Where do you fancy settling down and humping each other next? I do think that same-sex marriage and humping should be compulsory for argies. No more of that mixed-sex stuff. Disgusting. Should be illegal. Punishable with the death penalty.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#27 I am sure Argentine's can do better then brits.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Convicted child molester
british rock star Gary Glitter, 64, was released from a Vietnamese prison on Tuesday after serving two years and nine months of a three-year sentence for committing ”obscene acts“ involving two girls, ages 10 and 11, from the southern coastal city of Vung Tau, Vietnam.”
Read more
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406823,00.html
28 Pirat-Hunter
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the country you live in, Canada is it, and Argentina, do not have similar problems?
The only reason it made the headlines is because it was Garry Glitter, who was once a 'famous' Pop Star, who has waned to an infamous star'.
Get a grip Pratt-Junta.
@26
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguayans aren't doing so great. They are not 40 million. And they would have to travel via Argentina. Or via Brazil(which is actually quite a long distance to travel).
Brazilians have Brazil themselves. They don't need Uruguay. They don't need good beaches, which is why so many Argentines go to Uruguay and Brazil. The same for Chileans.
And being European, I would rather invest in Spain.
30 JuanStanic
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to put a dampener on you but Brasilians are coming in droves to Punta, not for the beaches but for the gambling!
Don't ask me to explain it, it beats me.
In other words,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0ENGLAND CONTINUES WITH THEIR BARBARIAN EMPIRE. DID THEY LEARN TO LIE ? I AM WAITING TO HEAR THE ARGENTINA HAS WMD LIKE IN IRAK.
HOW ABOUT AFGHANISTAN?
WILL LATIN-AMERICA ALLOW TO CONQUER PIECE BY PIECE OUR COAST WITH THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
CONGRATULATIONS!! YOU HAVE MESS THE ONLY REGION WITH PEACE IN THE WORLD. DO NOT WORRY. GOD IT ENGLISH TOO.
32 you are not first
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain saved the world from the Nazi's, the only country that escaped was Argentina where you welcomes fleeing war criminals from Italy, Germany and Croatia with open arms, you enlisted them in your armed forces and security apparatus and put them to work liquidating your own left wing dissidents. Your Peronist government adopting Mussolini's fascism, along with designs on territorial designs on Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, the Falkland Islands, the Beagle Channel, Terra del Fuego, South Georgia, South Samwitch Islands, South Orkney's, British Antarctica, Chilean Antarctica.
Some of you people need to get educated.
Britain isn't interested in South America, Argentina is interested in dragging South America kicking and screaming into a fight it has nothing to do with and no real interest in getting involved in. Sure they will pay lip service but only to shut you up, you are a national raving lunatics.
You get fired up about a small group of islands, your never had sovereignty over and a people who want nothing to do with you.
GET IT INTO YOUR THICK COWARD NAZI SKULL - WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE. STOP THREATENING US AND GROW UP.
ChrisR
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0They come hear for that a lot. Must have something to do with their laws. But anyway, I don't think that kind of tourism leaves as much money as the traditional one.
@33AndyMac,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hear hear!
@28 Firstly i fail to see how one british person being convicted of such an horrendous crime has anything to do with the rest of us brits, that are law abiding citizens that would probably kill the sick bastard if we ever got the chance too.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0But since your going down that route of trying to put us brits down in front of the rest of the world. Well all i can say is you really need to start looking closer to home at your own countries record on child abuse and their abusers - http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/rights-so-divine/2011/nov/8/argentina-child-sexual-abusers-paradise/
In other words argentina is a pedophiles paradise.
Pesonaly the very fact you could bring up such a sick crime and try to use it against us brits, just shows how sick you yourselve really are, as only a sick and truely disturd person would try to exploit the suffering of children by such child abusers as glitter in order to discredit another country and its citizens. Sick twat you are pirate hunter.
To those on the islands: is this description of the state of play visavis fresh fruit and veg, eggs etc. accurate?
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16980747
Do you reckon this trade delegation might be able to reverse the situation?
32 you are not first
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is Argentine islands and Argentine oil, being drilled by colonial pirates, protect by pirate ships, sooner all destroyed better.
Clearly, Malvinas is Argentine, claim exist since before Argentina exist. This is well documented that we renounce claim in 1850 but claim was resurrected under Peron who traveled to Italy and adopted policies of Mussolini fascist party in order to make Argentina great nation that it became.
As part of expanded living space, we must continue this policy and we must take over Terra del Fuego and Beagle Channel and then Malvinas.
My grandfather while working for Intelligence visit Indonesia in 1976 to copy plans they used for invasion of Portuguese East Timor and removal of colonial population to be copied in invasion of Malvinas.
If we had copied these plans our invasion would be success and like East Timor is part of Indonesia, Malvinas would now be part of Argentina. World has very short memory.
In order to do good for our country we must do bad things. This is what my grandfather always says.
We know Malvinas never been under Argentine sovereignty but gifted to us by Papal Bull in 1496. No one can argue with Pope or God, that whole of South America given by him to Spain.
Go home colonial pirates w claim you land before our country exist, you can not argue with that. You live there almost 200 years illegally, you have no rights. We will own your homes, farms, businesses, oil and fish.
You will be made to speak Spanish, drive on right, obey our laws, live under our government and governor. In return we give you right to be reborn like our national hero James Peck.
James Peck is son of Malvinas War traitor Terry Peck, he was awarded MBE for helping British occupy our land. Unlike his father, James is brave, patriot, his father will be turning in his grave.
You can all be reborn like James Peck. Or you can die like Terry Peck!
It would be fantastic to have a British Airways flight LHR-MVD-MPN.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would definitely support it by taking both legs once in a while. Going from Montevideo to the Falklands (there's no Malvinas, that's an imaginary entity such as the Land of Narnia and others..) as well as to London in a direct flight. Can anyone promote this idea with BA, please?
@Filippo,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aside from apparently holding truly despicable beliefs (assuming you're not a troll), you're over a decade behind the times. After a 24-year occupation marked by extrajudicial killings, torture and starvation, East Timor gained its independence from Indonesia in 1999. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor
40 Deebles
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not believe wikipedia it is a creation of anglos in America and England as you can see from articles about Falkland dispute they do not cover things from Argentine point of view only.
34 JuanStanic
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may be correct.
I would imagine though that the whole family comes and while dad is wasting his money in the casino mom takes the kids to the beach.
Then she goes 'Punta Shopping' and buys them something from McDs.
Just like all the other families who come!
@ Filippo,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“do not cover things from Argentine point of view only”
Back under your bridge, troll.
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@Everyone else,
No comment on the article in post #37?
ChrisR
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may be also correct.
Brazilians like to spend up to their wallets cry, and they travel with the whole family. Here in Ushuaia they spend a fucking lot, buy everything, pay you if you take a picture to the family, invite you eating if you make friends with them. In winter 1/6 of the people in Ushuaia is Brazilian. And every year more and more come. Casinos are booming.
@43.... I would say its a bit overstated in that article ..... things are not in abundant oversupply but nothing seems to be unavailable. Some non perishable products are cheaper and more likely to be found in Stanley than in BA. Like any remote community fresh stuff is quite expensive. If you don't have access to local eggs it pays to buy early in the week....
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and some cruise liners prefer to buy locally grown salad vegies in Stanley than buy daggy old wilted crap in Ushuaia.....
As blockades go it is a fizzer......
Thank you Frank! I wasn't entirely sure what to make of it, as it was the only source I'd seen reporting such a situation.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are several types of Argentine posters on here I note:
Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Old establishment types, the uber nationalists. Many of whom either date back to the 70's and early 80's rape and genocide of Argentina political dissidents, or who explain that age away in terms of left wing “terrorists” and “traitors” getting their just deserts.
Most of these live outside of Argentina.
2. The younger, more naive, hot tempered, Malvinas Fanatics, of very low intelligence, whose only world view is shapped by reading nationalist literature and listening to their governments rants about the Mavlinas and Great Britain.
Most of these live in the USA and mix mainly with fellow Hispanics.
3. The veterans - whose views are shaped by their having fought a war they lost and were then ostracised by the government that sent them and the entire Argentine society. They are generally ill educated and their mindset has been shaped by the shock of their defeat and treatment and the propaganda they were exposed to from school to national service, to the conflict.
There appears to be ONE of these veterans posting here. All of the other Malvinas fanatics are armchair warriors, who prefer others to fight their wars (see group 3) and wish to do everything they can to stoke up hatred, make threats and generally, fire everyone up.
4. The more moderate Argentines, people who are educated, are more intelligent than either of the above two groups.
Most of these live in Argentina. But they are roundly condemned by groups 1 and 2 for being traitors, socialists, left wingers, imposers.
You would find in very difficult absent traveling back to 1930's Germany or Italy to find the same level nationalist, fascistic, vitriol spouted out by groups 1 and 2.
The fact that the failed logic of their own mindset passes them by is either because they have such low intelligence they can not comprehend or they are naturally evil minded hateful people.
@47 .. They have been brainwashed since birth..... and we are going back fifty or more years here.... look what Hitler did with german youth in what? 10 years??
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets be fair here... it took at least a generation to get the 'British Empire' mindset out of Britain.... pretty much had to let all the old pharts die off. So if everything changed in Argentina tomorrow... true democracy, proper education, no more desire to steal other people's stuff, etc etc you may still have to wait 50 years to see a change in the way the country as a whole thinks and behaves.....good luck
@48
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, just because our beliefs are different does not mean we were brainwashed. If so was the case the wouldn't exist political opposition in the country, all the people would gladly support Cristina at any time.
It's such a shame some people think their beliefs are the true and right ones.
Oh but you are brain washed Juan, you see when you were at school you were all taught that the islands were argentine and so were the islanders, when the truth is the islander themselves say they are british - whos right the islanders or your teachers? I know whos word i would take as being the truth, we have a saying here “straight from the horses mouth” which means it comes from a source that is closest to and more likely the must reliable and therefore more likely to be the truth.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beliefs have nothing to do with it as the brainwashing by your teachers makes such beliefs, false beliefs as they are completely unfounded and have no factual support fromt he islands or the islanders themselves. Or are you saying you know more about what the islanders what, than the islanders themselves do?
Wrong teaboy. In primary school we were teached that the Islands are Argentine. That the people living there are British and don't speak Spanish. And that it's a goal of our country to get them back through non-war path.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0In high school we learnt some the history of the Islands. Our version and yours. We were encouraged to debate on them. Some agreed with you, the vast mayority didn't.
You know David Rock? He's a British or American historian who is one of the experts in Argentine history. If going to ask about our history, I would ask him not me.
It's not brainwashing, because if it was so 100% of the people will support our claims. In real life, 80% do. If every time we held a belief we needed factual evidence, then most of the religions wouldn't exist. Tell me something, you believe religion is brainwashing?
Lol funny, considering theres plenty of videos were they are most certainly teaching them that the islaners are argentine, hell even your defense minister and US ambassador said the islanders were being held against there will by an occupying force, implying their believe that the islanders were argentine, as taught in your schools.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for being taught both versions of history, lol don't make me laugh, i bet anyone of the argentines on here that do not support argentinas claim of sovereignty will beable to tell us the truth and i bet the truth is along the lines of “No, they only teach argentine version” which is clearly obvious given the lack of historical knowledge the majority of argentines on here that support argentinas claim, have.
As for brainwashing, no you do not need 100% of people to support it. It all depends on how intelligent the person your trying to brain wash is, and how capable they are of listening to reason and logic, which in argentinas case the majority of you are uneducated beyond that of primary school level - making them poor at logic, reasoning and thinking for themselves on such matters. As they simply do not understand it all and therefore put their faith in what their leaders tell them and what they were told at school.
@51 'Tell me something, you believe religion is brainwashing?'
Feb 13th, 2012 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, in a word 'yes'... 'give me the child and I will give you the man'...get em young and pump em full of good papist guilt and they are frucked for life... unless they are truly smart and think a bit about stuff when they grow up which some do...most don't .....
51 JuanStanic
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Tell me something, you believe religion is brainwashing?'
It is most certainly indoctrination by any sense of the word. What else can it be?
There are so many religions, beliefs, cults and the rest of the clap-trap AND they are growing in number by the minute. Why, are people so afraid of standing on their own two feet for the period of time they have on this planet that they need the dummy of religion to comfort them.
Say a few hail Mary's, put money in the box or on the plate and you willk go to heaven?
Do me a favour. When you die, you die, that's it, make the best of it while you can.
@52
Feb 13th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do teach us your version. That way we can know why we are correct and you aren't.
@53
I don't know how do they teach it to you, but here we are taught that A) Religion is based upon a belief, not neccesarely a prooved fact. B) You should find yourself with your god/anima/or higher espirit. C) Religion is meant to guide us and encourage us to be better people.
@54
A path.
Here in our Catholic Church in Argentina, children tend to be baptized while very young. At age 8 or 9 more or less, their families ask them if they want to take the first communion(if the family is catholic obviously). They learn some of Chris's life, some of his teachings and that's it.
Now, if you took the first communion, when you get to about 16 or 17 years old, you can start the Confirmation. Usually you join because you heard of it and you want to do it to have a fully Catholic life.
I took this. We were teached a lot of Catholic ways and teachings and opinions. But, we were encouraged to debate and interpretate some of them. If we felt this was not what we wanted, we could leave at any moment. We joined every two weeks and had very nice groupal experiences. Finally after two years, we were confirmated by the bishop and that was it. Full Catholic.
Now, I guide my life and behavior by this teachings. Nevertheless, I believe what I want. I'm pro-abortion, pro-stem cell research, and some more. I was hardly brainwashed.
Really and how are we not correct then when we discovered them in 1690 settled in 1765 left plague confirming sovereignty in 1776 and never ceded sovereignty and the fact the UN cHarter surpports the islanders right to self determination - explain how we are wrong?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Hi, here in Argentina we're not for contradictions, so we're going to blockade them and then say we're not for the blockade. Then we'll invade Chile (Beagle Conflict) and say we're against colonies.”
Feb 13th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm.. I see what you did there Argentina.
51 JuanStanic
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it's brainwashing. It's blatant indoctrination. The islands have NEVER been Argentine, except for 2 mths 30 years ago. The islands have also never been Argentinian. Imagine Britain claiming France was part of the UK and the French were in fact English. It's totally insane. Most latin American's I speak to have no idea of the history behind your claim, they assume that Britain invaded and the Falkland Islanders are Hispanics under British occupation. Tell them the truth and they find it hard to believe.
Here is a film you should should watch. It should be compulsory education in Argentine schools to learn about their country recent history, instead of teaching lies about the Falkland Islands (the imaginary Malvinas - which Argentina has NEVER had sovereignty over).
That something like this was allowed to happen is a crime against humanity, 50,000-100,000 raped, tortured, mutilated, murdered and disappeared (Borges). Unborn babies ripped out of their mothers wombs, young children taken from their parents, who were murdered by the heroic Argentine military.
Anyone of you born in the 70's? I hope your lucky enough to know who your real parents are...
The Official Story / La historia official (1985)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LF5II0wIY
It's a film everyone should watch. Feel shame because the specter of fascism still grips Argentina and as Martino Moreno said “If publishing the truth is forbidden, then lies, ignorance and poverty will follow”.
Argentina's history is still being written by Moreno's assassins.
Teaboy
Feb 14th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0That plaque was taken away and lost by Beresford. So when we went there the first time there wasn't such a thing as that plaque.
Anyway, that plaque called the Islands to be property of George III. Never said they were British, so at most they are crown property following that plaque.
And in our view Islanders are not a separate people, they are British. Why? Because you never lived for much time under another country's control or culture. You having different traditions or idiosincracy makes you no less British than a friend of mine from Dalbeattie, Scotland. It would be like the Argentines and Chileans in Tierra del Fuego and Magallans being called a different people just because they were certainly isolated back in their time, the same way you were. That way, we don't see it as a separate people claiming their Nation state, we see it as British people encouraged by their government to settle a determined piece of land in order to get control over it.
YogurGriego
How are we supposed to invade Chile? With what?
Anti-facist
Then it has to do with who you know. Most latinamericans I know know our claims and the history behind them. But people is free to hang out with whom they want to.
@59 - Are you having a flaming laugh or what.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0July the 8th 1779 spain declared war on great britain and joined france in support of the americans. 1780 spanish troops on the falklands attack and destroy the buildings remaining in port egmont and remove the plague declaring british sovereingty, taking it to buenos aires
So no it was not General Beresford that removed the plague it was spanish troops, and one it was in buenos aires it was likey destroyed by the spanish. As for “Anyway, that plaque called the Islands to be property of George III” Well that means that they are the property of great britain as george the III was the king of britian at the time, by your logic the plague left in Puerto Soledad in 1811 by the spanish stating “This island with its ports, buildings, units and quanto contains belongs to the sovereignty of Sr. D. Fernando VII King of Spain and the Indies, Soledad of Malvinas 7 February 1811” also means the islands never where spanish but spanish crown property.
Your explanation is just typical argentine twisting and making up history.
Are you thick or what, at the time all land was claimed in the name of the finding nations crown e.g king/queen, as being their sovereign land. It was widely accepted.
As for your second paragraph, well most of it didn't make any sense, but i got the last bit. and i can tell you now if the islanders call themselves islanders first and british second, who the hell are argentina to tell them otherwise! And no UK government has no say in things, we merely represent the will of the islanders, and if the islanders wanted to be part of argentina then as we have made clear, we will not discuss sovereignty unless the islanders so wish it.
Argentina should be calling for talks with the islanders, as its the islanders that decide their sovereingty, not britian. But argentina refuses to discuss anything with the islanders, whilst expecting them to just give up their right to self determination to become argentine.
55 JuanStanic
Feb 14th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This may surprise you but I too went through exactly that process leading to confirmation but with the Church of England.
To me however, picking and choosing what you want to do with a religion such as “I'm pro-abortion, pro-stem cell research, and some more” is to say the least disengenuous and I would rather (and did) leave the church.
@58 I guess you could invade Chile with the same stuff you used to invade Chile last time during the recent Beagle Conflict.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be honest, you as an authoritarian national socialist *cough* nazi *cough* government just doubled your spending on the military, so I'm pretty sure it's on the cards.. *cough* lebensraum *cough*
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