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State Department ratifies Falklands’ dispute is a bilateral Argentina/UK issue
United States insisted that the Falklands/Malvinas dispute is a ‘bilateral’ issue between Argentina and the UK and again called on Buenos Aires and London to solve the issue peacefully, through dialogue. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA nice diplomatic 'fruck orf Diego....'
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0This really isn't argentina's week is it....
Nervous “Frankie”?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0in other words ... we are not getting involved !!
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Quite so.... a simple 'go away and bother someone who cares...'
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine's looking more and more desperate, scraping the barrel and resorting the tactics of third world states like Zimbabwe. With standards like that, you know your in a banana republic. I feel sorry for all the decent Argentines dragged along by these childish games. CFK out of her depth and drowning fast.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Frank
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are putting a bit nervous, mate!!!
@6 I fail to see what the UK has to be nervous about? Clearly the US isn't favoring Argentina, its just sitting in a neutral stance but history should tell you if push comes to shove they will support the UK.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not to just mention history the UK is far too important in a number of ways for the US to turn its back on it.
So nervous? I think not.
The yanks just want their money back from when Argentina went bust and are nervous that it will happen again !
Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very interesting commets from former policy adviser to Tony Blair, Dr Peter Slowe,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9069250/Britain-defends-military-presence-near-Falklands-after-Argentina-threats.html
Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like everyone is getting bored of CFK's whining .. It seems the stock answer from all of the argies “support ” is its a BI lateral isue ...LOOLING
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 thanks for that'NotaKiwi'sArse'.... bonzer comments...
Feb 10th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dr Slowe may have forgotten that it was talk of leaseback which was one of the factors which gave encouragement to Argentina in the 1980s. I'm afraid these kind of solutions look good on paper but are unlikely to be properly understood or respected by a volatile polity like Argentina with its highly flexible approach to the constitution and the rule of law.
Dr Slowe was an adviser to Tony Blair. Peter Hain has recently disclosed in his autobiography that Blair also despised the claims of the Gibraltarians and wanted to enforce joint sovereignty with Spain. ”
OK...now back in your box wogboy....
RG posters in this forum are so ridiculous. Where and when has the USA EVER supported Arg on ANYTHING worthwhile? You are of no strategic importance, have no resources we want, have an unreliable and bat-sh*t crazy pseudo-dictator, tiny economy...what in the world would we get from Arg in return for our support against our 100+ y/o ally and one of our largest trading partners? What a fracking dream world these people live in. I really think it must be a mass-hypnosis or a genetic metal defect like the N Koreans that makes them so nuts.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the Americans are saying, my argie friends,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that it is none of there business and they do not wish to get involved,
It is your problem so deal with it,
A fair comment we think , is it not,
Still, you have loads a friends do you not ??
@12
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Avoiding the expansion of communism (during the cold war) in Latin America in the 70's by the State Department, that's one of them ....
14. I would say Arg was supporting the USA's position on communism not the other way around. Plus when we gave Russia U$Billions of worth of grain in the 80s and ruined your sale/economy is a good example of where Arg rates in US diplomacy. Just like we cut you out of selling to EU after the war. It's not that we hate Arg we don't think about it at all.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the question was asked about the grain ” are you (US) buying the grain and the answer was no, so it was a matter of a business decision not political.
Argentina was supporting herself in the fight of communism period. and if the US doesn't think about Argentina because Argentina always adopted a policy not to be aligned with the US, very simple.
16. yeah the 3rd way...it's working so well keep it up and Arg will be like Paraguay in a generation.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If 54% of the population is what they want, so be it. There is nothing I can do about it
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, an American who actually admits how unprincipled his country has been throughout history, and now all that is happening to it is coming back home to roost.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is the first American to admit the US, as a condition for the Marshall Plan, told Europe especially Britain to only buy US grain.
My respect for yankeeboy has increased.
My question therefore is... how can you blame Argentina if her diplomacy is treacherous? Maybe because Europe, the USA, and other countries were TREACHEROUS TO US FIRST since the 1800s? Just a thought.
Countries, like people, always have their own agenda. If we were “treacherous” to Argentina she has every right to treat us likewise but is it wise?
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately for Argentina she wants to treat us without the respect we deserve. Argentina is too weak and poor to play with the big boys she will get stomped, used and out witted every time.
The most recent example of an over play of RG's hand is Timmerman boarding a US military cargo plane and confiscating some material. It was simply preposterous! Only showing how inept your foreign policy is and how utterly ridiculous CFK and her minions truly are. Don't think it has been forgotten either. There will be payback someday and probably when you need something from us really badly. The USA has a long memory and is ruthless when needed.
Well, that is why I advocate isolationism. I agree we should not play with the largest countries. It's not so much being poor (that's your colorful veiled insult towards us, we are still in the top 15% of countries in wealth and had we the population of the US we would be the world's 2nd largest economy, so don't get too cocky), but simply not having hundreds of millions of people.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at India, dirt poor but a world player. It's a matter of population as much as anything.
You know there is nothing wrong with being a “smaller” country in population. It is not a crime, it is not a humilliation like you make it to be. That's why your constant insults at my country don't really affect me. All we really need to do is half poverty and double per capita and Argentina would be economically a really wealthy country. As it is now, dispite the government, it is in the top 15%. Countries like Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Peru, Brazil have been doing everything right and still cannot surpass Argentina doing everything wrong.
Just another thought, if the day comes Argentina gets serious and the other countries slip.
@20
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must had a bad experience with an Argentine chick or something... You are probably the only American that knows where the country is located. Somebody told me that it next to China once ..... hilarious !! and we are dumb ? :-)
You are the one reading into my statement. It is OK to be poor and small take Uruguay for example. Nice people, safe, respect international laws and customs, law abiding, nothing wrong there. They know their place, they are not a world player and never will be. In general people like and respect Uruguayans.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That can not be said for Argentinians in general you don't understand your place in the world and I think that is why there is so much mis-understanding on both sides. You are arrogant but poor and weak. Who likes that combination? You can be arrogant if you are strong or rich or both and you are not either.
There is a big problem with the general psyche of the country. You will never be a player and you will always be easily brushed aside. Uruguay has learned to live with and use it to their advantage why can't Argentina?
And btw, yankeeboy and the rest in his side denounce Argentina as without honor, principles, treacherous, when it bullies smaller neighbors, but when the USA, UK, or the larger countries do it, to quote yankeeboy “Countries, like people, always have their own agenda.”
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When they do it is just an agenda, when Argentina does it is immoral. They can't see the double-standard in front of their nose. Or they do, but they are just trolling.
Either way, they are dim in the head or simple adolescents, both cases of which being rational and intellectual is a waste of time, as I told Chris in another thread.
“I’m in no position to comment what the British are doing or not doing in the oceans….we encourage Argentina and the UK to solve the issue peacefully through negotiations”, WHAT HAPPENS IF IRANIES SHIPS SAIL CLOSE TO US????? I dont think she has the same opinion.....
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yankeeboy,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only you would say a country in the top 15% in gdp per capita and at the brink of very high human development like Uruguay is poor. 4 in 5 people living in our planet would most likely wish to live in Uruguay :)
As far as Argentina assuming a position as Uruguay, well the reason it will not is because it would be ridiculous and affected for a country like Argentina to behave like Uruguay in the region, just as it would be if it tried to behave like it's Japan. Though I advocate isolationism it does not mean not engaging in trade, that would be one area I would encourage.
Uruguay is small, and it is admirable for their maturity and level-headedness. I would copy that from them, but it's laughable to suggest Argentina behave in the world like them. If Argentina achieved full potential (lets say, doubles GDP per capita, halves poverty), it's GDP in dollars would go from 430 billion to 900 billon, plus 100 billion from the reduction in poverty would mean 1 trillion. If it had 62 million people like Italy, France, or the UK, it's GDP would be 1.4 trillion, very close to those countries.
So while far from that right now, it is not out of the realm of possibility. But even then I would advocate to let the rest of you bomb each other to the stone age... which i think eventually will happen.
is it britain fault that it is the end biggest country in the world, picking on poor argentina,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0???????????
no imposable, why has britain grown and argie sank,
please look at map,
slightly confused old chap .
no briton.. you have to change your map.... and see one of the XXI century,,,, where Argentina grow 8% anual and Britain (or just England soon) fall down to be displaced by Brazil,,, and maybe in a non far future from other emerging powers.... the XIX´ empire fall down to the SHAME of the world!!!!!!!
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmm interesting, but if you compare the size of britain to brazil and argentina,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then compare the population,
then concider this,
both brazil and argentina [your/their words]
have been growing at a great pace for at least the last 5 years,
now compare that with little old britain, who has flatlined in all that time,,, then tell me who thuse is better,
then consider that when britain does grow again, just who will be in front of who,
mmmmmmmmm
condominium agreement is the most favorable solution for all parties in this conflict. Britain and the islanders should allow Argentina flag on the islands in exchange for Argentina to allow the British flag flapping in the islands.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no go.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how about the british and falklands flag fluttering over the argentine capitol building, now that sound ok.
I'm just proposing an idea of how it could be solved, I mentioned that to advance a solution favorable to both parties, my country should approach you, not isolate them. I would like to know what kind of solution saying the Islanders leaving aside the principle of self-determination, if Argentina offers a solution leaving aside the full transfer of sovereignty to my country. i want your opinions.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like any other vicious criminal, UK is trying to use the international law imposed by the UN to continue with it vicious and unsupported colonialism in a world that is attempting to move forward. I big crisis in coming to EU and UK's disable parliament is trying to coat it in the same way the Nazis did in 1930's. An old system only uses old ideas. Do not ask for more. It is the UK culture.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please, do not try to see USA along the UK side. Read the American Newspapers, eve better ask the Americans who woke up with the FIASCO that Bush and NATO smashed into their face. I am sorry if I ask you too much you can handle.
. i want your opinions.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0first remove the offending article in the constitution.
and ignore agitators like [you are not the last]
mmmm
#28 - What are you talking about? Everyone knows that Argentina's economic figures are fiddled with. These have NO true reflection on what is happening.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0#33 - America would probably want Argentina to get hold of the Falklands due to the access to possible oil reserves surrounding the Falkland Islands. Everyone knows America is keen on invading banana-republics with access to oil. America couldn't get hold of it if the Falkland Islander's want the Falklands to remain British.
Sorry Ben... if the Falklands control the resource anyone can develop it and get the cream.... If the RGs controlled the oil then anyone developing the fields would be odds on to having their assets nationalised ( ie stolen) by the RGs...
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The RGs steal stuff... its in their genes....
28 nitrojuan
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is Argentine islands and Argentine oil, being drilled by colonial pirates, protect by pirate ships, sooner all destroyed better.
Clearly, Malvinas is Argentine, claim exist since before Argentina exist. This is well documented that we renounce claim in 1850 but claim was resurrected under Peron who traveled to Italy and adopted policies of Mussolini fascist party in order to make Argentina great nation that it became.
As part of expanded living space, we must continue this policy and we must take over Terra del Fuego and Beagle Channel and then Malvinas.
My grandfather while working for Intelligence visit Indonesia in 1976 to copy plans they used for invasion of Portuguese East Timor and removal of colonial population to be copied in invasion of Malvinas.
If we had copied these plans our invasion would be success and like East Timor is part of Indonesia, Malvinas would now be part of Argentina. World has very short memory.
In order to do good for our country we must do bad things. This is what my grandfather always says.
We know Malvinas never been under Argentine sovereignty but gifted to us by Papal Bull in 1496. No one can argue with Pope or God, that whole of South America given by him to Spain (not Portugal, Brazil is anomaly) .
Go home colonial pirates w claim you land before our country exist, you can not argue with that. You live there almost 200 years illegally, you have no rights. We will own your homes, farms, businesses, oil and fish.
You will be made to speak Spanish, drive on right, obey our laws, live under our government and governor. In return we give you right to be reborn like our national hero James Peck.
James Peck is son of Malvinas War traitor Terry Peck, he was awarded MBE for helping British occupy our land. Unlike his father, James is brave, patriot, his father will be turning in his grave.
You can all be reborn like James Peck. Or you can die like Terry Peck!
32 marcio
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I appreciate your sincerity, but I have to tell you that there is no way that Falkland Islanders will ever agree to having an Argentine flag anywhere in the Islands. The only possible exception to this might be in the Argentine cemetary.
Argentina is not in a position to 'allow' the British flag to fly here. It is our flag and this is our territory. I know you think you have a claim, but that is your affair and your decision and we are not responsible for that.
give into one, and thieves will crawl out of the woodwork like bugs ,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have no claim, and they can cry and jump up and down all they want, they can cry to the UN and even cry to hugo the bear, but facts are facts, they will not get the islands, so soddy of and cry
Here is a film everyone should watch. It should be compulsory education in Argentine schools to learn about their country recent history, instead of teaching lies about the Falkland Islands (the imaginary Malvinas - which Argentina has NEVER had sovereignty over).
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0That something like this was allowed to happen is a crime against humanity, 50,000-100,000 raped, tortured, mutilated, murdered and disappeared (Borges). Unborn babies ripped out of their mothers wombs, young children taken from their parents, who were murdered by the heroic Argentine military.
Anyone of you born in the 70's? I hope your lucky enough to know who your real parents are...
The Official Story / La historia official (1985)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LF5II0wIY
It's a film everyone should watch. Feel shame because the specter of fascism still grips Argentina and as Martino Moreno said “If publishing the truth is forbidden, then lies, ignorance and poverty will follow”.
Argentina's history is still being written by Moreno's assassins.
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