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Argentina says Uruguay should be grateful for all the investments and jobs created
Relations with the Uruguayan government couldn’t be better, with no obstacles ahead, and much of the success of the Uruguayan economy is influenced by Argentina, said ambassador in Montevideo Dante Dovena. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI don't know if the situation is up to this level, but what's for sure is that a shit load of Uruguayans live in Argentina. And they are of all immigrants, they are the only ones not to adapt. They come and it's very much the same as Uruguay(save from an issue or two). Same speaking. Same traditions. Same culture.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay should be grateful
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like the justification of a wife beating Argie
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Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a sense they should. Try asking someone from Punta del Este how they would do if suddenly no Argentines went there.
What about the introduction of capital restrictions? you cant invest much with $200 With Agentina & its track record Id want all my money in US$ & locked away in an offshore account
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is a bad looser,as always, they want to be able to export, but they don't want to import. Its only a matter of time that whole country will collapse once again... It will become more and more obvious that brazil, urguay and chile are getting out of the misery that Aregntina is increasingly getting into.. there is nothing worse than a ignorant political class convinced about there ill conceived opinions.. I give them 2 years before its defaulting. While this stupid politician is stating that asia is underpaying its working class ..lets remember that by 2020 there will be around 45pc of chinese belonging to middle class... thats is way more than Argentina.. So why don t they just continue in Argentina as always.. so that the standard of life is going backwards, as it has been doing for a century now.. ingnorance has no bounderies in a country that is half the south american continent.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 03 JuanStanic
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Try asking someone from Punta del Este how they would do if suddenly no Argentines went there”
I am a Brit and live on the east coast of Uruguay and see the Argentines coming to their houses. My next door neighbours are Argentinian and very nice people, but this year (I am told) it has been difficult because of the embargo on the USD.
No-one wants the Pesos, they are worthless because they cannot be exchanged for dollars so a lot of the transactions are being done on credit cards to get around the problem.
I think the hypocrisy and condescension of the Ambassador is nothing short of breathaking. No wonder the Argentine people have a reputation for self-aggrandisement if this character is anything to go by.
“There are concrete issues such as the dredging of the River Plate, of the Martin Garcia canal and of the River Uruguay”, pointed out the Argentine diplomat.” There are indeed, all about Argentina dragging it's feet for years to stymie Uruguay to the point where bulkers are running aground in the channels and causing a week's delay for 100 other ships while a whole flotilla of tugs tried to pull it off. Either Dovena is poorly informed or is lying. The problem will worsen after this year if nothing is done because the new Panamax+ ships will be unable to get to the grain silos of Argentina to load.
Foolish, arrogant person.
we uruguayians must be grateful becuase we are putting dogs to stop money going out to Uruguay, this fat ass should said. Another trick and trip of the anrgentinas.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ChrisR
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tourism has ups and dows. But in anycase they are dependant on Argentines going to Uruguay.
Be it difficult or not in the money issue, people will find a way, both Argentines and Uruguayans.
I know what you are saying about the infraestructure problem. We suffer it in Argentina too. The problem with the Rio Parana(and then de la Plata), is that its affluent, the Bermejo, carries a shit load of sands and sediments. It makes dragging a constant and expensive activity. And most of the sand banks are on our side, That's why Buenos Aires needs so much dragging.
I think that regarding the Panamax ships, Bahia Blanca will become a more important port, but railways will be needed.
Argentines don't get it, including the ambassador. Only 7.5% of Uruguayan exports go to Argentina but 16.7% of imports come from there (CIA). Huge surplus for Argentina. This must lower Argentinan unemployment. Uruguay is not an extension of the Argentina economy. As far as Uruguayan living in Argentina lowering unemployment in Uruguayits a moot argument. There are only 117,000 people born in Uruguay (INDEC) living in Argentina of which less than 90,000 are of working age. When the ambassador claims 400,000 Uruguayans in Argentina he must include those descendants of Uruguayans who were born there. There is plenty of descendants of Argentinians born in Uruguay.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinans, mostky those from BA, resent that Uruguay is not one of their provinces.
Punta de Este is increasingly a destination for the whole world and depends on Argentinean being allowed to go there by their government less and less.
9 Alberto Saavedra “Argentinans, mostky those from BA, resent that Uruguay is not one of their provinces”
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to tell you my “yorugua” neighbor but that is not true, we love Uruguay and we feel like home for obvious reasons, that's about it.
Saludos and enjoy your mate.
Marcos Alejandro //we love Uruguay and we feel like home for obvious reasons
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sounds like you want them as well .
briton
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No we just want the Islands. Uruguay is perfect as it is.
if you dont get them this year,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she will have to give an alternative,
you cant go on promising without coming up with the goods,
@ 13 JuanStanic is one of those argentines who still believes that Uruguay is a province of Argentina.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0what do you mean? is not?? :-)
xbarilox
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are utterly failing at guessing my believes. I believe Uruguay is independent. We recognize so. We know it. If we ever call it to be part of Argentina is because ties and culture, nothing else. When was the last time an Argentine government claimed for Uruguay? 1825? I think you are a bit out of date.
Latest reports are that projected benefits for the Falkland Islanders of the future oil bonanza could be in the region of $180 billion making it the South Atlantic version of Kuwait or Qatar but much richer per capita. That means approx $60,000,000 per islander.(I hope I haven't missed out any zeros).
Feb 12th, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even allowing for the City of London's cut when investing the sovereign wealth fund it still means an awful lot of money to be spent upgrading facilities on the islands as well as investing elsewhere.
Falkland islanders know who their friends are in the region as well as in the UK and other British overseas territories.They will be becoming rich ' beyond their wildest dreams' just as the Argentina's 'economic miracle' implodes.
That will teach the wicked witch to throw her toys out of the pram. Argentina could have had a 50% cut under joint exploration agreements.
If there ever was a possibility of a British government trying to convince the islanders to accept Argentine sovereignty before there is absolutely zero chance now. The landscape has changed utterly just as it did at the time of the invasion.
The strongest guarantor of the islanders right to decide their own future is the British people. When Bliar tried to pressure the Gibraltarians into accepting joint sovereignty in return for a short term alliance with some Spanish politicos ,various Labour politicians ,notably Andrew Mackinley,
told him he would not get away with it ,either politically or with the British people.
The same thing applies to the Falklands but with gold plated knobs on.
@12 JuanStanic,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a pity for you then as you'll NEVER get OUR lslands.
@18
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People sometime ago said the earth was not round. They were proved wrong. In a future so you will.
people some time ago, said argentina will defeat the british and get the falklands,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they were wrong,
in time you will exept this.
Briton,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should read Rattenbach.
@19JuanStanic,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lf it makes you feel better, then you believe that.
@22
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I should still live like 70 years more if everything goes okay. It's quite sometime. If when I'm about to visit the bearded man I see the issue is still as impossible as it may seem now, then I'll give you the right.
Will you put that in writing?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no rights,
Argentina will not get them,
As long as their is democracy,
Freedom of rights, and the ability to choose who governs you, then Argentina has more chance of flying to mars,
Its a none starter,
You will not get them,
Either now or in a 100 years from now,
Unless the imposable happens.
@24
Feb 13th, 2012 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, you can predict future? We have quite an individual commenting here.
@23JuanStanic,
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts not your right to give.
You have no rights here beyond tourist rights, like any other nationality.
l'd say that briton is more likely to be correct than you.
@26
Feb 13th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What all that has to do with giving you the right?
Mmm, maybe it's a bit too Spanglish.
Let's try another.
If all that... then I will agree with you.
They offer journalistic stories, because they no longer have a valid argument over the Falklands, the civilised bloggers are clearly coming round to the truth, but the diehards will sink with their glorious leader,
Feb 13th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina cannot really be considered a democracy with the offending article in there constitution, only dictators do childish things like that,
The fact is, it does not matter how many support her,, she cannot have what she has never owned or administrated,
And besides Great Britain would never ever hand a democracy over to a dictatorship, it is an a impossibility,
Argentineans should tale a leaf out of the Arab spring, and get rid of her, then re-build Argentina into a country worthy of the name, step into the real world, and get the respect that you deserve, instead of being laughs at as a 4th world despot,
Get rid of her, and take your right full place in the world, before she drags you into the gutter .
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you can predict future
no more than you,
democracy -dictatorship,
feel free to choose,
your choice your opinion your country,
my choice my opinion , just an opinion .
briton
Feb 14th, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a matter of hapiness. Are you happy or are you not? That's what a country life is about. Surely you can be more developed and live longer and be respected. But if that doesn't make you happy, what's the point?
If like when I have a new car. Sure, for a two months, three months I will be happy about it. Then it won't be the same.
I would prefer for all life to be poor and happy than rich and sad.
People tend to be happy today in Argentina. We have had so many reccessions and crisis and shit that we take it as daily stuff. Should that make us less happy? For god no. Many have been happier with less.
What's more! The world should be grateful of Argentina's existence, such a refined monarchy-loving nation, much to their sorrow without a king. Buenos Aires has always divested provinces of their resources in excahnge for what? The nominal privilege of calling themselves Argentines? While B.A. stashes and multipies riches, provinces wither away in the sun. Anyone who doubts this shoud take a tour into the northern outback and see the real face of poverty, while Porteño bon vivant politicians enjoy a brighter side of life and their petit-burgeois supporters wish they themselves had their own aborigin maid from Tucumán so everyone can see their high standard of living. If Porteños enjoy Uruguay it's not precisely because they find themselves at home, but on a convenient stage for their vanity.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame on them!
if you are so happy in Argentina, then why go and spoil it all, with a false claim on somebody else’s land, that just makes other people unhappy, is that then what makes Argentina happy, bringing misery to others.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think he was being sarcastic about Argentina, briton.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0got it, ha ha
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