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Falkland Islanders have the right to choose their future
By Dr. Barry Elsby - The Falkland Islands are home to a thriving community. In the face of escalating rhetoric, that community must have the right to determine its own future, argues Dr Barry Elsby MLA Read full article
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Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The title of this article says it all. Let the Falkland Islanders decide...
KFC: “Give Peace and an economic blockade a chance”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ban KM: “Yes, do what Argentina says”
Sean Penn: “... and an end to colonialism, unless it affects me.”
Ban KM: “Yes, do what Sean Penn says”
The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility is to apply the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the inhabitants of the islands would cause the “disruption of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. ”In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the islands from 2004 Malvinas.A the Argentine government that the Malvinas Islands Question permanently on the agenda and in the paper by the Bureau of the General Assembly.
@3 “The specificity of the FALKLANDS question is that the United Kingdom REMOVED ILLEGAL SQUATTERS FROM the islands by force in 1833, DID NOT EXPELL the original population WHO WERE ALLOWED TO STAY AND BREED ANIMALS, thus violating the territorial integrity of PRECISELY NO ONE.”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair it does apply... because historically you never owned it. The fact you managed to get onto the islands and illegally squat on them, before being quite rightly returned from whence you came doesn't mysteriously deny the islanders their basic right of self determination. Just like the Scottish get to choose if they want to stay in the Union, the Islanders get to choose if they want to be a protectorate.
Don't bother quoting the UN Colonisation Committee, it's a farce with no remit that no country worth it's weight in salt has any engagement with. It's like the UN Committee on Religious Freedom that is sponsored by the Kingdom of South Africa. They're all the epitome of contradiction, and Ban Ki-moon is apparently not very good at his job.
@3 Is it easy to copy and paste your comments from one article to the next, or can you not provide anything else apart from the same thing over and over again?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“... We are happy to talk, but our sovereignty remains non-negotiable.”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Elsby....according to UN resolutions there is a sovereignty problem between Argentina and UK that need to be resolved only by those two countries.
The resolution also stated that both countries need to consider islander´s interests...NO WHISHES or SELF DETERMINATION, SHEEPS, or whatever......
Malvinas inhabitants are already represented by UK.
don´t fool yourselves....you´re NOT 3d party for talks.....
but hey....don´t take my words, let´s see what international org say about.
1) European Union - EU - Malvinas dispute a ‘bilateral issue’ .
”Falklands/Malvinas by EU members. This must be defined bilaterally between the UK and Argentina.”
2) U.S. Position on the Falkland (Malvinas) Islands
“. This is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom. WE ENCOURAGE both parties to resolve their differences through dialogue in normal diplomatic channels”
3) OAS - Organization American States AS AG/DEC. 53 (XXXVII O/07)
“ RECALLING ……the Governments of the Argentine Republic and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations in order to find, as soon as possible, a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute. “
4) United Nation UN C-24 A/AC.109/2007/L.8
“ REQUESTES the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to
consolidate the current process of dialogue and cooperation through the resumption of negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute relating to the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).”
5) UN - United Nations –RES. 928 (XVIII-0/88) and A/RES/43/25
”.REITERATES IT REQUEST to the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to initiate negotiations with a view to finding the means to resolve peacefully and definitively the problems pending between both countries..”
I love how some of the Argentinian posters get to decided when the founding principles of the UN get to apply or not.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pure nonsense of the highest order and the UN ABSOLUTELY does not subjectively apply its core principles.
@5 I'm wondering whether North Korea also have a permanent item about their desire to reunify/annex/decolonise South Korea on the Ulcerous Nations General Assembly Agenda?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like seriously, who in the Ulcerous Nations is responsible for admonishing these people? I know Ban Ki-moon (South Korean) is at the top of the tree, but who is supposed to inform Argentina that this is effectively a constitutionally enshrined nationalistic cry for Japanese Empire style expansionism.
A Well written article which I expect NO argentine will even bother to read and understand, Shame really!!!!!!!!
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
@6.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you copying and pasting the same rubbish that others are copying and pasting from article to article?
Negotiation isn't required because Argentina never “owned” the Falkland Islands in the first place. It just seems they think they do, especially during the early 1980s, which all came to an abrupt halt at the time.
Raul, can you please get over this ‘we where the original population' rubbish? You sound like a cloned robot who’s designer hasn’t put a memory chip in that contains information from before 1833. If the French, British and Spanish where on the Islands before Argentina existed then how where you the original population?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don´t fool yourselves....you´re NOT 3d party for talks
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There in a nutshell is why the Argies are going nowhere fast :-))))))
5 BenC30 :
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all he ever does. His theory misses the fact that the very c-24 he talks about states in it's very charter that there is no alternative to self-determination.
His theory also seems to rely on the “fact” that the islanders broke a law over 100 years before the law was in existence. And that because they “Broke” Argentina's territorial integrity over 100 years before the law was in place, this somehow deny's them human rights in this day and age.
“taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands”
I've yet to see him try explain this part. I have no idea how someone can claim to be in someone's interests while being against there wishes. Kinda sounds like a line a rapist would use in court to try and justify it.
“I know it was against her wishes, your honour.. But i assure you it was in her best interests.”
@6 If you're driving along in your new car and someone walks up to you and says 'i want your car' and asks you to negotiate on it's ownership, you typically tell them where to cram their shoe.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently in Argentina you give them the car. This explains an awful lot about Argentina.
@14. I heard car-jackings are a real problem in Brazil, looks like the same thing happens in Argentina. So, Argentina thought they would give island-jacking a try now to see if they can get away with it. You thought they would have given up after their more forceful last attempt?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0new discussion forum just started on the web
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=208288
@15 Is island jacking a compulsory part of the UN charter?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The funny thing about all of this, is that there is a huge amount of psychological literature explaining that the incredibly one sided arguments used by the Argentinians only works on less intelligent people. In order to create opinion change in intelligent people you have to show a both sides of the story, through a balanced argument. Clearly someone has realised that to lead the Argies around like sheep, they need to use the methods for thick people. Doesn't say a lot about the Argentinians really.
@ Argentines
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QUOTE “The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.”
In other words “we want to ride rough shod over the inferior untermensh who happen to live in the bit of lebensraum we claim, they must be crushed beneath the jackboot of Argentine imperialism and not allowed to resist”.
Are you wearing your swastika armband?
In other words “we want to ride rough shod over the inferior untermensh who happen to live in the bit of lebensraum we claim, they must be crushed beneath the jackboot of Argentine imperialism and not allowed to resist”.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you wearing your swastika armband?
No but the NAZI brits are....
Argentina lebensraum...Interesting.Distance from Islas de lso estados Malvinas 320 NM,distance uk MAlvinas 8000 NM...Interesting concept of Lebensraum...
Down with the brits pirates!
@19 “Distance from Islas de lso estados Malvinas 320 NM,distance uk MAlvinas 8000 NM”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do believe The Japanese Empire, sorry Argentinian just came up with the 'Geographic Proximity' argument again.Same reason they used for invading Chile in the Beagle conflict. “This part of Chile is really close to Argentina, so I think we'll have it”. Repeat until all Chile annexed.
Argentina lebensraum...Interesting.Distance from Islas de lso estados Malvinas 320 NM,distance uk MAlvinas 8000 NM...Interesting concept of Lebensraum...
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Snap
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
This whole matter must be dealt with in a sane, sensible, calm manner.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an example we have the BIG LIE approach of a stinking nazi argie who would like the world to believe that Brits and Falklanders are at fault whilst it was it's country that welcomed the Nazi murderers, learned from them and put their views and attitudes into practice.
Is there anybody out there who could explain why posters such as the one at 19 should not be turned into fertiliser? Naturally, prior execution would be too kind. Just feed the argie animals into the shredder and grinder and shredder feet first. Would there be screams and pleas for mercy? Who cares? Do the argie animals care about the Falkland Islanders? Why should the Falkland Islanders or Britain care about argies? Is there anything apart from sub-human animals alive on the South American continent? Its highest forms seem to have labels like Chavez and Kirchner. Are these THINGS worth keeping?
@22 You cannot blame the Argentinians, just like you cannot really blame the many of the Germans under Nazi-occupation. Psychologically their brains are cottage cheese from all the compliance, influence and propaganda.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blame the head, not the hands.
They are so indoctrinated they will accept nothing short of the whole lot,
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are so brain washed, that even if the UN voted for the Falklanders, they would not accept it,
Even if the whole bloody world agreed with the islanders, they will refuse to accept it,
As long as they have deep internal problems, as long as they keep going downwards, as long as they are slowly crumbling, then CFK and her government has the perfect excuse,
And her bloggers the perfect storm.
British it’s the only way to go .
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Rolly - you missed out 2625 - but then you would, wouldn't you.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 02065 is long dead. The others between 1982 and 1988 are also dead.
Argentina needs a new one. Which is what I think all the shouting is about !!
@25 I guess they also want to update the wording. Part 1 only 'Invites' the government to enter into talks, it doesn't actually say they have to have talks. Also they discuss the 'Implementation on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples', Independence as we all know, is independence and not annexation. So if the UN is pushing for independence then the UN should accept the Falkland Islands as an independent state. Specifically not transfer of ownership to another party, such as Argentina, because that would be outside of the remit of the resolutions.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Part 2 requests the two countries report on the results of the negotiations, which would of course be, there have been no negotiations because “Going against the principle of the resolution Argentina has enshrined its demands to annex the islands and will not accept their independence, as expected by the special committee.”
That quashes all those resolutions, as completely unworkable.
Dr Barry Elsby is a member of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really says it all. Very unbiased.
I love it how the island colonists cite their own as authorities on what should be done with the issue at hand. more biased impossible...
@25,27 According to 1514 (XV). Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples, the UK agreed to welcome “the emergence in recent years of a large number of dependent territories into freedom and independence, and recognizing the increasingly powerful trends towards freedom in such territories which have not yet attained independence.”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It explicitly states that the UK should decolonise terroritories and give them independence, but in no way discusses transfer of sovereignty. The most the UK would have to do is to agree oil and fishing rights,etc, but we all know that the Argies walked out of those talks in 2003, and those should be led by the Islanders if they're gaining independence.
Seems the UK government is doing everything it's asked to do and the Argentinians are the ones going against UN resolutions by demanding sovereignty talks.
That only took a literate person 5 minutes to find all that out.
27 Helber Galarga
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but that's an inane comment even from you.
Barry's a politician. Why would he be 'unbiased'? He's answerable to the people who voted for him. He's a Falkland Islander- why would he say anything different?
Your politicians constantly spew out the most appalling lies and distortions, citing their own authorities on what should be done. Are you seriously suggesting Timerman is 'unbiased'?
@27 Helber “I love it how the island colonists cite their own as authorities on what should be done with the issue at hand. more biased impossible...”
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet an Argentinian Government that is just the latest in a long line of Governments that has never set a foot in the Islands (1982 excepted) or ever had any influence over their administration whatsoever since their discoverey and settlement (apart for a brief unsuccesful attempt at setting up a penal colony nearly 200 years ago), somehow should have some influence in the matter. Please explain that one to me.
@29 Of course Timmerman is biased. Who could in their right mind think otherwise!!!!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, it is uplifting to hear the US Department of state that the UK and Argentina should negotiate.
It is even more uplifting to hear the HEADS OF STATES of Brazil, Uruguay, and Chile (and many others) say that the Malvinas by right (not by might) belong to Argentina.
@29,30 General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation. ” >> Argies are truly buggered with that one.
“2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. ” >> Again, not very good for the Argies.
“4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.” >> Sounds a bit like Argies should be making people independent en-masse... not Annexing them into their state.
“5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.” >> Doesn't help the argies
Frankly, none of these discuss Argentina annexing islands. They must have very poorly skilled lawyers.
Its is really funny how increase the number of generations of people living on the Island on any new Brits statement.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0They started with 4, then 5, 6, 7, 8 and now 9.
So...
1-They don’t know math?
2-The mortality rate is too high and the average Islander just lives 20 years.
3-Or they are a big lairs?
@33 Mortality rate doesn't have anything to do with number of generations, people don't suddenly expire immediately after having children. What's really funny is that it's got nothing to do with you, how many generations there are.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, if we look at definitions for colony we get:
Definition 1 - “a group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.”
Definition 2 - “a number of people coming from the same country, or speaking the same language, residing in a foreign country or city, or a particular section of it.”
So, if sovereignty is transferred to Argentina it would technically be creating definition 2, which is expressly against the UN Charter and the remit of the “Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples”. By even discussing sovereignty of the islands they are potentially discussing colonisation, which is against the resolutions. Argentina in discussing change of sovereignty that would create a colony is going against the remit of the committee and the resolutions.
Outcome: British government should not enter into any talks on sovereignty.
33BergerBoy-think please - we have been here now since 1833- 179 years -average generation say 25rs - so that is at least 7!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Add in a few people marrying and having kids earlier than years ago - and you can get to 9 generations born quite easily!
Hell I was born in 1950 as a 5th generation with oldish parents - bound to be plenty of 6 generation folks about then as well.
Its you who lives in fantasy - as more and more Argentine claims and statements are becoming.
33 DanyBerger
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a complete plank.
You can easily get 4 generations alive at the same time. The gap between generations is around 25 years, but people don't generally die as soon as they reproduce.
You didn't think that out very well did you?
There are children born now who are ninth generation, or first, or fifth- depends who you are.
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0sticky logic: Distance from Argentina to the tiny Martin Gracia; 5 Km.Distance from Uruguay to MArtin Garcia:3 km
What a PIRATE.my GOd..
uk will lose Malvinas...it is written in the walls ..save your breath,brits pricks..
Monty69 & Co
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0If a generation is counted according with you over 25 years you cannot have 9 simple math.
So lads you admit that the guy on that the pic is a liar, right?
Because he said “Despite adversity, we are upbeat about our future, drawing on the strength of nine generations of Islanders” Nine=9 and not 7
But the argies are down here since 1580 at least so they have a minimum of 17 generations (according with your own definition of new generation). Which explains clearly for me that they have a strong claim for the Islands, right?
So give them the Islands back, clearly you are opportunistic squatters and liars.
The right of self-determination apply only for people according to UN. Sorry, you don't have that right.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, nice title in this article! Sounds soooo pacific and caring about life...
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What if we put it this way:
“Falkland Islanders have the right to go on keeping their ILLICIT ASSOCIATION with the UK.”
#IncredibleButReal :D
Dr. Barry Elsby moved to Malvinas with his family in 1990, replaced Emma Edwards(forced out by Mike S.).
Feb 17th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another Englishman tourist in Argentina calling for self dtermination. It's no wonder that no country on earth supports them.
@39 “The right of self-determination apply only for people according to UN. Sorry, you don't have that right.” - So, the UN enshrines the right to self determination and you've decided we don't have that right. How very argentinian of you.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 042 they don't understand democracy :/
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43. Having such a fascist past, they may not fully yet understand democracy and the benefits it can bring. By the looks of some of the comments on here from some of the Argentinian community they still think they are a fully fascist state.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0uk will lose Malvinas...it is written in the walls ..save your breath,brits pricks
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0That reminds me the argies have already got a Malvinas :-))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s
@malverino
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0hahahjajkaka,......or whatever.....you have'nt had another mini-stroke for a while, have thye chnaged your medication?
Are you still FINISHED?
I see that you started to swear again a sign you realise deep down that your arguments are morally bankrupt and based on institutionalised lying.
I loved the rather pathetic attempt to tar us with the same brush I used on you.
Being as you want to ethnically cleanse the islands, I would put you down for one of CFKs Einsatzgruppen. That would suit you, I mean unarmed civilians are a much better target that armed service men.
The geographical argument is rubbish- every country in the world could claim whatever it liked based on proximity or continental shelf arrangements. If I wanted I could claim that being as during the Triassic period all the continents were joined into one super continent (Pangea) and being as the geological deposits in the UK were continuous throughout large swathes of this landmass then we could claim whatever land happens to have the same rock beds as found in UK Triassic rock..... and this would have as much force as getting out a ruler and measuring the distances between places on google Earth.
Argentines still parrott the “Falklanders don't have self determination line”. I mean how dare they not want to kowtow to you.
It must be really frustrating to see us basically shrugging our shoulders at you before issuing one two fingered salute after another at your threats and attempts to isolate the islands.
No one cares about what Argentina thinks, or claims about the level of support it has. Apart from Hugo Chavez no on else is really going to do a thing to help you in any meaningful way. Hugo Chavez won't be a palyer for long anyway.
Argentine imperialism........FACEPALM
@44 Apparently Argentinians think democracy is not having the state disappear you and your children in the night.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 038 DanyBerger
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The youngest generation are still babies you tool. And the original settlers came here as grown ups. And no, he's not a liar.
Anyway, we don't have to argue about this with you because it's none of your business. Frankly I couldn't care less what you think.
I don't care either how many generations of colonialists have lived in Argentina since they stole their country, just as long as they stay there.
@Monty69
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are very infantile he is a liar as the whole Brits politicians are.
Nothing of what you say is consistent and credible.
Anyway if you don’t care why are you replying me? Its not silly?
Have a nice day
@49 I don't think there is a politician on this planet who isn't a self-serving sociopathic fabulist. It's not something you can ascribe to just British Politicians.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You might want to have a look at your Argsoc members. I think you'll be enlightened to find they are too.
Are you still FINISHED?
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0shb:I see that you started to swear again a sign you realise deep down that your arguments are morally bankrupt and based on institutionalised lying.
AHAHAHHAHAHH! The brits idiots still wasting their money foolishly.....while uk is bankrupt and getting worse...
@51 hmm, we're foolishly wasting our money by protecting a fledgling democracy on our territorial islands that might one day flourish into a stable and size-able economic partner with whom we can endlessly trade to each others mutual benefit and prosperity.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're so foolish, us brit idiots.... so very foolish and shortsighted.
@49DanyBerger,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go back to school & learn maths.
As Monty said, its none of your business anyway.
Butt out.
Tis issue now isnt even on the radar of the British. It looks like its now forgotten about and things are back to what they were 10 or so days ago.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frankly this issue has occupied virtually zero newspaper column inches and its been on the TV about twice since the Argentines started crying. There have been a few internet articles but nothing of great note. For the average British citizen the majority wont even know that there has been an issue recently.
Everyone else has moved on, including the UN, US and the South Americans. This is yesterdays issue, a bit of a sideshow as it usually is for the UK and the rest of the world.
@54 in contrast, it has filled entire state owned newspapers in Argentina.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is the new england manager anyways?
@51 Go home Malviner01, no-one cares about your pointless and utterly untrue rants anymore. Britain's economy is doing fine in comparison to the rest of the world. Unlike you (assuming that you are Argentine), Britain has a AAA credit rating. Argentina has a credit rating of B. Need I say more. Our economy has seen better days, but yours is really going down the pan. That's why your facist president KFC is trying to divert attention away from this fact by using the Falklands as a scapegoat. Also, you can't tell the Falkland Islanders to go home when they already are home, a home which they have legally lived in for ten generation, around 200 years. The so-called invasion of 1833 was in fact a re-assertment of sovereignty over a British territory which had belonged to Britain long before Argentina ever existed. The settlement on the islands( which lasted for two months and is Argentina's only claim to the islands) was founded by a non-Argentine (Louis Vernet) with the permission of the British Government. The people in his settlement may have been largely Argentine, but it was founded with Britain's permission. Do you know why he sought British permission and not Argentine permission?
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because he knew full well that he was founding a settlement in British territory.Enough said.
@55 There isn't a new manager yet. Stuart Pearce is standing in for the game against the Netherlands later this month but after that hopefully they'll have found someone to take over on a more permanent basis.
Hi I'm the FNG here but I’d like to add my two cents.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas are a piece of Argentina's land. Geographically and territorially, Argentina has the right to claim the islands, but…
What do we do with the 3000 British people currently living in the islands? They are also lawfully the landlords of what they call The Falkland. Self-determination won’t do the trick. The islanders cannot dream to be the 14th South American independent country (and most likely member of the commonwealth!). Remain British is not an option either. So? Do we fight again? This time Argentina will prevail because England got weak and cannot afford a war of this nature without big brother assistance. Big brother (US) is in deep caca. Thanks…….
@57 I feel like a parrot saying this but 'geographical proximity' is not a reason for owning something off the currently resident population. Not unless you're Nazi-Germany wanting the Sudetenland, you are the Empire of Japan wanting Korea or you're Argentina wanting the Falklands.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Territorially, the Argentinians claim a mystical territory called 'las malvinas' which through historical revisionism they found they owned, even though they were at best illegal squatters. In this universe, they have never owned the Falklands, this is just an objective fact fully recognised in history.
The Special Committee on Decolonisation cannot advise an exchange of sovereignty from UK to Argentina. The UK quite rightfully refuses to discuss sovereignty because of this. This contradicts the committees remit and the Charter of the UN. The only option left to the Falklands is for them to be 'decolonised' and become a self-governing nation under the protection of her majesty's British Government. They effectively became self governing in 2001 after the referendum, when they became a unicameral democracy. They should then be accepted to the UN as a new member.
If the Argentinians still claim in their constitution that a decolonised country is a part of their territory, then that's basically 'aggressive colonisation' and puts them up there with Nazi-germany and the Empire of Japan ... again.
@57 Dinosaur
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They are also lawfully the landlords of what they call The Falkland. ”
Correct. Debate over.
“The islanders cannot dream to be the 14th South American independent country”
Why not? If they claimed independence tomorrow, there isn't a serious country in the world that would oppose it.
“Remain British is not an option either.”
Yes, it is. It seems to be working fine at the moment.
“This time Argentina will prevail because England got weak and cannot afford a war of this nature without big brother assistance”
It's not a matter of how weak you are, but how much stronger you are than your oponent. Pitcairn Island could afford a war against against the likes of Argentina.
@59 Those Pitcairn folks do seem quite scary though. Apparently it was just a massive British protected sex-colony for quite a while. Shows you what happens to people if they have access to Mercopress comments to keep them sane.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.”
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simply not true - the garrison was expelled. The civilians were allowed to remain. Their decendents live in the Falklands today...
@57 Dinosaur
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas are a piece of Argentina's land. Geographically and territorially, Argentina has the right to claim the islands,
That one is easy
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
4 GreekYoghurt
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why insult the United Nations and Decolonization Committee? Will these prestigious global agencies show that the arguments are totally true Argentine and England are false. The decolonization committee is one of the organs most heard around the world, the International Court of Justice in its opinions, is based on the resolutions committee of decolonization.
Ban Ki-moon, is doing a very good at his job in clarifying the Falklands conflict.
5 and 10 BenC30
These profoundly wrong. You keep insulting to all those who think differently from you. You try to trash others and never heard a criticism from you. It is not copy and paste. Annoyed by the legal arguments, historical and geographical. The truth is unique, unchanging over time and is not fashion and speak with no argument, without taking into account the historical and social processes. The truth does not go out of fashion. Best studied Resolutions of the Committee on Decolonization United Nations is the international institution most knowledgeable of colonialism and imperialism in the world. The islanders are not British in Argentine territory. Learn from 6 so_far which argues well the Falklands conflict.
11 HillGold
Raul, could get more of that 'us where the original population of garbage?
So that I will explain if I try to trash? I will not do your job. Seek thou the Argentine arguments on the Web.
13 zethe
You have eyes but see not, ears but do not want you to hear.
With respect, you are so full of hatred and resentment that this obsession with doctrines colonialists and imperialists who do not accept other ways of thinking, especially Latin Americans. Thinking differently is the most normal thing in democracy and freedom.
@63 I don't think you know anything about the UN. The remit of the Special Committee on Decolonisation is not to transfer sovereignty to the third party. The fact they sit and listen to the nonsense brought up on this committee by Argentina just shows how utterly without merit or purpose it is. Its outpourings also seems to contradict the key items of the Charter of the United Nations.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ban Ki-moon apparently spends his days forgetting the brazenness of Yi Seungman's theft of Liancourt rocks off the Japanese in an opportunistic post WW2 land-grab. He forgets the effects of the intention of the Empire of Japan to subjugate his country to their occupation and he forgets the desire of the North Koreans to do the same. That's probably why he's called the slippery eel by his fellow countrymen.
The fact that Argentina is allowed to actually discuss the transfer of sovereignty of something that never belonged to them in order to create of a new colony of people subjugated to it's rule and in the UN is just incogitable. This is a poor reflection on Ban Ki-moons lack of leadership.
Now you can get back to polishing the SS symbol on your hat.
No one but no one can decide the sovereignty of the Falkland islands except the islanders themselves,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is there choice and there’s alone, and if they freely voted to remain British, there is no one or any committee or organisation on the planet that can alter that argument unless you are a dictatorship,
They have the right and freedom to choose,
And Argentina has no rights to them no matter what a piece a paper says,
This is going well beyond Britain and Argentina and the Falklands,
It is really the difference between democracy and dictatorship, [please prove me wrong]
They have the right and not Argentina,
So go and find another land to steal.
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.@58 GreekYoghurt (#)
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see your point and I should say it is a valid one; nevertheless, the sovereignty issue remains unresolved.
The islands are seating over Argentine’s ocean platform. In another words, the island could be consider as part of the continent mass. Without the continent the islands could not survive. Britain has no much to do in lands that are so far away from home. UK is UK and the fact that UK is a bunch of islands in the North sea, it doesn’t really means than anyone can claim the British islands as their property or land to be annexed otherwise the French or the Spaniards could have well claimed them.(?).
The time for overseas colonies is over. It was over for India and Pakistan (self-determination), New Zealand, and Australia and now is the time for the Falklands.
Problems:
This is not longer a matter of the British quitting the islands and the Argentines takes over, nor for the Falkland to be a new borne independent country. The islanders want to be British and they are the lawful landlords of Argentine soil.
The Argies should come forward with a serious compensation (money) package to each and every islander family, a business class ticket and off they go back to the UK, otherwise, fight/war again would be the next step.
UK got weak over the years. Argies are not stronger than they were in 1982 (in fact they are weaker as well) but the UK implemented deep cuts in defense. The Brits don’t have money for maintaining the Trident system. The Americans are in deep waters. They only want to get out of Afghanistan. The external debt is so huge that none dare to mention. For the UK, the next nightmare is the Scottish independence and the Spaniards that sooner or later will piggy back on the Falkland issue over their Gibraltar. Emerging economies (Brazil-India and China) are on Argentine side. The entire south America is on Argentine side (not because we like argies) but because this is the right thing to do.
The Argies should come forward with a serious compensation (money) package to each and every islander family, a business class ticket and off they go back to the UK, otherwise, fight/war again would be the next step.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back to the UK? why cant the argies go back to Spain,Italyetc
@66 You are incorrect. It is not now, nor has it ever been 'Argentine Soil'. This is provable through objective historical fact.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are again claiming 'Geographic Proximity' as your reason for claiming sovereignty over the Falklands, this is the same fallacious logic used by Nazi Germany over its territorial claim and annexation of Austria, and the Empire of Japan over Korea.
The UN wouldn't go near the 'Geographic Proximity' argument with a sh!tty stick because France has geographic proximity to Spain, it is part of the same continental shelf.
The UN is very clear about this. The UK should be moving the territory towards the status of a self-governing territory and therefore decolonised, as per the Charter of the UN.
What you are espousing with 'compensation and a ticket idea' is called 'ethnic cleansing' and is heavily frowned upon by the international community because it's illegal and immoral.
Which communities are or aren't on Argentina's side is irrelevant. It is a British territory, we have the moral high-ground and we are completely in line with the UN Charter.
You can now get back to polishing your jack boots.
68 GreekYoghurt (#)
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your argument is very elevated and ethical but it is not good enough.
Try to be realistic.
Things have changed since WWII. You are no longer “the empire”. You are just another country among the 198 members of the UN. Your seat at the SC is not really relevant because your former allies (Russia) are no longer kneeling and your big brother is sinking in its own obesity and external debt.
As the Roman Empire in its own time, your empire is counting the days, but this is another topic.
The Falkland is a serious mess but it’s not the only one. The French has Reunion Island (middle of the Indic ocean) where the islanders consider themselves French. The nearest country is Mauritius ex French colony and then stolen by the British in 1810. While Mauritius has been independent (?) since 1968, Reunion is still French.
Non of the mentioned islands are seating on any continental platform.
Interesting.
The Falkland habitants want to be British but the islands are seating on Argentine continental platform. The islands belong to the Argeis, the landlords are Britons. May be it is about time to annex the islands to Argentina as another autonomous province; recognize English as the official language in Falkland (keep the name), expand jurisdiction and Argentinean law over the island (let them drive on the wrong side of the route), issue Argies’ passports for all but taxes and goodies remain in Argentina, and then, yes……..I’ll go back and polish my boots.
Cheers
@69 I'm aware things have changed. We as a nation have decolonised more countries than you could possibly imagine, based upon the guidelines of the UN. We quite rightly haven't transferred sovereignty of any of those territories, because this would contradict the UN charter to which we have agreed.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You continuously resort to 'geographic proximity', which shows your support of adventurist expansionism used by Nazi-Germany.I ask you to refrain from using that argument because it is offensive to families of the people who were subjugated to Nazi and Empirical Japanese rule.
Mauritius is an example of an island that was decolonised to a state of self-government, and then it became a republic in 1992. Sovereignty was not transfeered to the nearest third world country on it's continental shelf that greedily wanted to annex it. That whole policy is called 'expansionism'.
The islands do not and never did belong to the Argentinians, this is provable by objective historical fact. Your goebellian attempts to reiterate it until it becomes fact don't work outside of Argentina. The presentation of your subjective belief as fact doesn't work either. Those methods typically only work on the weak minded, which is why they are extensively used in your country.
The creation of an autonomous province through transfer of sovereignty, to be subjugated under Argentinian rule is against the Charter of the UN and also the remit of the Special Committee on Decolonisation. Even entering into discussions on this would be counter to those aforementioned agreements.
In summary, nothing that you mentioned is real to this universe other than your need to polish your jackboots, Otto.
70 GreekYoghurt
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly this one is to far gone,
Theirs nothing left upstairs,
Try another one, less indoctrinated .
@70 I hypothesize that some people inherit a Spanish cognitive inconsistency gene. Spanish people rant on about Gibraltar, when they have islands off Morocco that they're always fighting to keep control of. Argentinians have Isla Martín García, which is in the middle of Uruguayan waters. Argentina talks about geographical proximity and plate locations, and then they claim to own large parts of another continent altogether (Antarctica).
Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of makes you switch off and stop listening to them. However, I do find their inconsistency to be of great interest. They seem to be able to hide logical truths from themselves, in quite complex ways. Their use of denial is also quite advanced, which is quite surprising considering how weak minded they are.
interesting,
Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0we supose that somewhere deepdown, the truth is buried,
and it just take a little ??
to bring it to the top,
interesting.
Hey why does the UK have veto power at the UN Security Council ?¿?
Feb 18th, 2012 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, not the real why, I would like to read the excuse...
Why should an Empire that dislikes diplomacy have that special seat at the UN?¿
Why do the ones that love blood and justify wars all the time should have that privilege?
They are not powerful anymore as to go on ruling in these Multilateral Organisms... And this situation creates more insecurity and wars on the world than peace and progress.
@74 We have a veto because through fighting in WW2 to defeat expansionism authoritarian nationalist nations like Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan, we have proved ourselves of being capable of stopping current authoritarian nationalist nations like Argentina from doing the same kind of nonsense.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0With Argentinians you only need to go one or two generations back before you find Grandpa was a decorate SS officer.
we among other victors set it up in the fist place, thats why, alas since then it has been highjacked by deluded leaders to suit their own ends,
Feb 18th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but as obe one kenobe said
their is another ?
Interesting how this UK BORN Mr Elsby considers himself a F... Islander...
Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does it matter,
Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 T'is just another butthurt Argie making a vacuous and irrelevant comment live from Mar Mierda.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 Alejomartinez
Feb 18th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's like this. You move somewhere, you live there for a few years, you apply for citizenship, you fulfil the criteria, and voila, you are a Falkland Islander, or an American, or an Australian etc.
What is it with you Argentines and your icky obsession with where people came from?
@80 If they're not Argentine they don't like them. It's a part of the ethno-nationalistic political ideology.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they moan abt generations,
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if you go back less than 3 generations [i belive]
is it not so that the family of cfk was not in argentina, but still in europe .
@82 if you go back 3 generations most of their fathers were still gathering up and gassing the jews.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dr. Elsby:
Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all due respect, I believe that the Falkland Island should cease participating in the UN Subcommittee on Decolonisation. Why?
1) Because there is simply nothing to decolonise in the Falklands
2) Because that Subcommittee's recommendations are not mandatory like those of the Security Council
3) Because a majority of that Subcommittee's members come from totalitarian states like Cuba, Congo, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Tunisia, Tanzania, Venezuela, Iran, Irak, Mali, Ecuador, Papua-New Guinea, Syria, etc.
Good luck.
Philippe
@84 I'm not convinced the UK or Falklands or anywhere that isn't a greedy despotic quasi-dictatorship takes part in the UN Special committee on Transfer of Sovereignty and Colonisation. That's in addition to Ban Ki-moon who really doesn't want them mentioning the Takeshima Islands that ROK might have decolonised out of Japan.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I agree Argentine's have the right to choose in Argentina as british have the rights in UK, but neither has the same rights if they illegally enter and occupy the land, We don't see illegal aliens in USA, UK, Canada or Australia to be given the choice the british racist claim for themselves, fakland island company has all their rights protected in UK because Argentina has no deals, contracts or granted any rights to this company of thieves, pirates and murderers, Argentina has no obligation to secure land for pirates promised to them them by UK. Argentina didn't give me any land and if they give the brits the Malvinas I will return to Argentina and demand the brits or any of their pirates to give me my share by occupying their property or by force. the globes are off I invite everyone to execute a pirate and terrorists as USA did to bin laden.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86 You're right. True argentinians didn't get the right to choose because you ethnically cleansed them all in various wars including the Conquest of the Desert.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK doesn't have to give back land that you never owned. Just read the treaty signed in 1850, that you fraudulently ignored.
Don't talk about terrorists. 'the Condors' are a state sponsored terrorist group pensioned by the Argentinian government, and argentina should be on the list of terror sponsoring nations. As a Kerchnerist, you likely support this, hence your support state sponsored terror.
@GreekYoghurt
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t you ever get tired by posting all that rubbish and lies all the time? Do you work as the minister of propaganda of the falling a decadent British empire?
If you love so much your decadent Britain why don you live there? None want you down here have you noted that?
@88 DanyBerger,
Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you have posted perfectly suits you Argentines.
Only make it the Argentine Empire.
And certainly none of us want you here.
You must have noticed that!
@88 It's not propaganda if it's an objective fact. The Argentinian government supported the terrorists who hijacked a plane and flew it to a third country threatening the lives of those on board. The Argentinian government then paid them a pension.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that Argentina sponsors international terrorism, is not my opinion. It's not propaganda, it's just simple basic fact.
Why don't you just invade South Georgia again, and can you explain your reasoning for why you own those islands too?
I’m staring to like this forum.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70, @75 GreekYoghurt
You British won the war in 1982; this is the only reason why you are still occupying Argentine territory. Congratulations, but let face it, you only confronted a bunch of frozen boy scouts (with all due respect to those who fought and fall in the islands). The Argie army in the Falkland was expendables for the Junta. There was no plan to sustain the islands. The delusional Junta thought that their war adventure would be the beginnings for a negotiated resolution. The Junta was desperate to divert the internal tension/attention. The freaking hysteric Argies were protesting in May Square against the Junta on 01 April 1982 and on the 02 April they were celebrating and cheering the Junta as they regularly do “football style”. None cares about the Argentines and their ridiculous governments (Peron, his wife, juntas, Alfonsin, Menem, Dualde, De la Rua, and the Kitchners – oh my god! - I don’t know who is worse in this bunch). But…you Britons are no better. Do not hide behind the horse of WWII. The only good that came after WWII was the EU. The Germans are good people (and you know this very well) with the exception of the Nazi. During the WWII your ancestors survived because we were supplying the basics when you guys decided to destroy Europe (do not blame on Germany only. You and the French have good shares in the destruction of Europe).
I agree that all of us here (including the Falkland habitants) are occupying land that we took from the natives. My European ancestors made themselves sure to kill them all and create “space” for themselves. So far, no genocide investigation has been launched. Only some Mayas and Aztecas dared to pass a bill to the Spanish crown requesting all the stolen gold and silver be returned. No answers of course. Who cares? Do you? You have your share when it comes to piracy. …….In my next letter, I’ll make the point…..2000 characters is too little for explaining what I need to explain.
@91 Well, there was no one on the Falklands before they turned up and settled down, so they at least are not guilty of incredible ill. Because you're an American living on this land you apparently took you surely support the Islander's self determination, no? Apparently not. You're also probably one of those fake-argentinian americans that abandoned your culture and no feels like they have no heritage and leeches onto anything vaguely non-american like a parasite. It's common there, we know. This is the motivation behind you calling it 'Argentine Territory' we can understand. You're a hypocrite, end of story.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argies are people who have been indoctrinated from birth into believing the merits of an extremist expansionist ideology built upon mussolini fascism and 1930s nazism. The pretense these mind-slaves give of peacefulness is just nauseating.
UK government stated today, great Britain will defend the islands, let everybody know this .
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/defending-falklands-mps-agenda-55022.html
i would stongly suggest our argie friends read it,
democracy or dictatorship,
your choice .
@93 think how much whinging in the C24 this is going to cause. Sadly no one is going to listen to it other than the representatives of other cheering dictators who rule by executive orders.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argfags, y u no tired of faggotry?
Don't insult fags
Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They much further up the evolutionary scale than stupid malvinistas!
Time Argentina looked to the future rather than to the past. The Falkland islanders have been around as long as Argentina has legally existed, give or take a decade and are as British as Argentinian's are Argentine.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this talk of faggots is making me hungry because in the uk and the Falklands), a faggot is a kind of meatball in gravy. Very British indeed. Yummy.
This is getting hot and out of tune. Lucky me I can easily find an inbreeded Brinton in the pub around the corner (drunk of course) and clean my boots in his ass. Don’t worry, he won’t even remember the next day.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen,
Let bring the topic back to what it is.
Falkland/Malvinas – sovereignty/territoriality – self-determination.
I will only touch self-determination because it is something that English and Scottish are discussing nowadays. Would you like to see Scotland walking away? I’m sure you do as soon it is the fruit of self-determination, but……Would you like to see Sharia law in Manchester (aka Manchesterkistan). I’m sure you won’t not even if it is the self-determination of your Muslim population. I won’t like it at least. I think that you are over grading the issue of self-determination. 3000 islanders (even though they are landlords) have no right to determine sovereignty over territories that clearly are part of another country.
Pick up your islanders and the sheep and get the held out of the south Atlantic. By the way, I learned your language in the school, just across the Uruguayan river (east side). Cheers
Oh course you can make lots of loud threats.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0but in reality you give up rather easily. I climbed tumbledown in 91 you'd have to be some sort of imbecile not to be able to hold that.
So until the islanders change their minds they are remaining British. You can't fight and wisely the Argentine government won't let the military have any cash it would only spend it on killing argentine students who are prefably tied up and or drugged can't be too careful can you?
Nobody else thinks you should get islands that are 400km away and have a tiny population that speak a different language.
@98 The freaks and uniques on the C24 seem to think they should, more reason not to engage with the C24 methinks.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Martin Woolhead
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Nobody else thinks you should get islands that are 400km away and have a tiny population that speak a different language.”
What language are talking about? Pakistani?
I don't get it. Do you also have kebabs?
well clever cloggs,your very own people dont agree with your deluded leader .
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://submarinersworld.blogspot.com/
I wish some of the ardent Argentines would stop saying the British kicked them out. The *US Navy* kicked out the Argentine military garrison in 1832 / 1833. Google USS Lexington and learn some history. The British simply returned and reestablished their settlement a few months later.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0FYI - this was happening all over the world - Americans would start a settlement, the French would kick them out, then the English would kick out the French, then the Russians, or the Mexicans, etc. But it has no bearing on present day borders in the rest of the New World. So why is Argentina able to rely on a 100 year claim, when no one else does?
Also, if the Argentines consider the islanders to be Argentine citizens, then they need to stop calling them “pirates”, “kelpers” and “planters”. What if the Argentine government / friends started calling their own citizens derogatory words? They need to stop speaking out of both sides of their mouths, and make friends of the islanders. The UK government just digs in its heels (along with the citizens) when the negative terminology is used.
If the islanders are planters for arriving in 1833, what does that make all the Europeans who settled in Patagonia after 1833? Are they also pirates for the past 180 years who need to be uprooted, so the land can be returned to the tribes? What about other “lost” territories from 1833 that now make up parts of Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil and all of Paraguay? Will those lands be claimed next?
There are consequences for losing a war, just ask the Germans about the territory they lost after WWII. They won't get it back despite 65 years of democracy.
@Jayne Birkin
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0With your poor argument cut and past from the UK foreign office.
Argentina only option is to retake the Island by force.
Then remove the population (Diego Garcia British style) make a permanent base well armed with lets says 10.000 soldiers and another 5000 low class civilians with “planes descansar” doing nothing and wait 180 years.
Then they will say “This was happening all over the world - Americans would start a settlement, the French would kick them out, then the English would kick out the French, then the Russians, or the Mexicans, etc. But it has no bearing on present day borders in the rest of the New World. So why is UK (if still exist) able to rely on a 100 year claim, when no one else does?”
well you tried that how'd that work out for you?
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it's been 180 years possibly time to give up on it?
Thats his attitude, “5000 LOW CLASS civilians”
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have NO class, Dany boy.
@105 Most of the ODESSA nazis like him don't have any class, they just have lots of gold-fillings and balls of hair. It's been 60 years and they're itching to do some more ethnic cleansing, but there are only a few natives left, which makes Sr. Timerman (jewish) feel very uneasy indeed.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second option could be to turn the Islands into a big prison and without bars (Australia style remember?) to send there all rapist, criminals, killers and all kind of that stuff that could be found in SA.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all Australia did very well. Didn’t she?
All this rubbish, is more likely to lose you Argentina, rather than gain the British Falklands,
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With a bad attitude like that you Argies will not be invited to a great show,
Nope, you can all watch on TV, as most of Argentina will be watching it, crying from the beaches, lol.
Again on drugs Briton?
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0better drugs that deluded,
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they will still be british 50years from now,
and she will be long gone .
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