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Sean Penn should return his Malibu estate to the Mexicans
By Dr Tim Stanley - During his recent tour of Argentina and Uruguay as UN ambassador at large for Haiti made some unfortunate statements regarding the Falklands/Malvinas diplomatic dispute arguing that “It would be nothing short of bullying, to not sit down and diplomatically negotiate a fair sharing of any resources discovered between Argentina and the United Kingdom”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIs Sean Penn has the Charlie Sheen look about him. Has he moved on from wife-beating and alcoholism to drug taking? The guy is off his face on something if he think backing Cristina is a good idea!
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's be fair. Being the Mouth of Sauron has made him quite a rich man.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I actually recommend he keeps support Argentina, with the support of an alcoholic drug taking wife beater and Chavez what more credibility could Argentina need in its fine and frivolous claim to something its never owned?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really couldn't make it up!
@3 Sean Penn in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nArc-jq2S84)
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read this brilliant dissertation about the big mouthed visit of the jerk!
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.expatdailynewslatinamerica.com/2012/02/sean-penn-comes-to-argentina.html#more
The only people who are taking their Malvinas propaganda seriously are the Argies. Everybody else,even their so called friends are having a good laugh.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I notice the news regarding the potential Falklands oil bonanza has got through to the BA Herald.Should be a few more verbal fireworks tomorrow.
I came across an old series of Teletubbies and I swear that Tinky Winky is the spitting image of old Hector Timerman.
similar like the ”Alaska nonsense here on Mercopruts:
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0California was purchased from the Mexicans by the USA.
The Falklands/Malvinas issue is totally different issue. There is only on reason the British government is hiding behind that arguement of let the falklanders decide their future. They know damn well the Falklanders needs their security (UK taxpayers) while the UK government is eying the oil (if there is enough oil to make money) plus it's ego..
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Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no differnce just formal anti british,
you can turn it in anyway you choose, but argentina has no claim on them and she knows it,
and she will never get them either, despite all the machoism from argentina,
@ Fido
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment shows a complete lack of historical knowledge. Typical of an Argie Bargie.
California and new Mexico were objectives of the Mexico-American War of 1846-1848.
Where are the Argie bloggers to defend their wife beating, drug addicted ally. I hear that Whitney Huston is going to be the next celebrity to take up Argentina's cause, proving that those in the afterlife have solidarity with Argentina.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vivas las Falklands, you are an inbecile.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not Argentine. Second, do your homework. As part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexico-U.S. war in 1848, the U.S. “bought” much of the western U.S. for $15 million - or a bit more than $200 million in CURRENT US dollars. The dollar was more worth in that time.
Third, this subject has NOTHING to do with the Malvinas/Falklands and is just a desperate blog Dr. Tim Stanley..similar like the tea drinking club figure who used the Alaska -Canada subject.
Guys, seriously. Sean Penn is just a professional troll. He makes his money by utilising huge amounts of negative press and is actually an uber-troll because he has the balls to troll (in real life) entire countries. He's using the pettiness of these countries to give himself publicity-max just by simply saying the exact opposite of what anyone wants to hear.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0And that simple process of trolling entire countries has earned him £150 mil and he gets wined and dined by all the usual suspects.
Credit where credit is due, but I still don't listen to a word he says.
“........ but argentina has no claim on them and she knows it,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0and she will never get them either, despite all the machoism from argentina, ”
You have your proganda, your way who to believe who really owns the falklands/malvinas, and they, Argentines have their own propaganda. You both have something in common...using the falklands/malvinas from the real issues at home.
@13 It's not a very good distraction, if that's what Cameron's big plan is.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0English ignorance at its best, since when Mexico is claiming California?
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are still fuming after Sean Penn comments, some Rockhopper investors posted his facebook account to place hates comments on it, loosers.
“The world today is not going to tolerate any kind of ludicrous and archaic commitment to colonialist ideology.”
Rightfully so.
This is for all british people that are so proud of the british empire (especially for GreekYoghurt) and said that it was a good empire as diference with other empires.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't made by argentina or spanish tv, it was made by bbc.
But I'm sure the nationalistic british fanatic will still in complete deniel of the true. For them this is a lie and a manipulation of the marxist press.
I'm sure GreekYoghurt will keep remain me of all the atrocities we did to the aboriginal in my country and I have a long list of atrocities commited by the British around the world. But for the moment just watch this documentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRyl5b_qLxY
@15,16 “The world today is not going to tolerate any kind of ludicrous and archaic commitment to colonialist ideology.” (Sean Penn), ”Colony: a number of people coming from the same country (UK), or speaking the same language (English), residing in a foreign country or city, or a particular section of it” (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/colony)
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see the world today won't be tolerating Argentina's ludicrous and archaic commitment to trying to push their colonialist ideology through sovereignty talks then.
@Fido Dido and other ill-informed people. Firstly America forced Mexico to accept the money for it's land after invading Mexico all the way down to it's capital Mexico city. with 25,000 Mexicans murdered. Secondly, we Brits do not hide behind the fully legal and moral right to self determination of the Falklanders because we simply do not need to. The British are the only nation to ever have a permanent settlement on the islands. In 1833 when we arrived, Argentina didn't exist and neither did any settlement on the Falklands. So to all the people saying they were stolen, read up on the facts! @Marcos, you're the ignorant one, as said above California and other lands were Mexican until invaded by America. They have more of a claim to Hollywood than the Argentines do to the Falklands. Never let the facts stand in the way of a good anti-British racist rant. Argentina are the ones attempting to take the Falklands from its inhabitants because they want to get their greedy hands on it's oil, they are the colonists, not us idiot!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 018 Icetos Is Mexico claiming California or any other state stolen by the US?
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0No
You wrote: “In 1833 when we arrived, Argentina didn't exist”
Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata, nowadays Argentina independent since 1816.
Wrong again, you must be English.
The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The Brithish commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
Sean Penn should concentrate his efforts on his “own” countries shortcomings and fight the corner of the true Americans if he want's to inflate his ego even more, instead of poking his nose where it doesn't belong.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sean Penn should concentrate his efforts on his “own” countries shortcomings and fight the corner of the true Americans if he want's to inflate his ego even more, instead of poking his nose where it doesn't belong.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you useless forum brits should do something more useful for the2,7 million unemployed uk's,the 1 trillion pounds public debt and the 9 trillion pounds foreign debt..
What a bunch of loser..My GOd.
uk was selling weapon to the ”brutal junta'days before the recuperation of MAlvinas. and were spending NO MONEY in MAlvinas.The Airport,the 3 wekly fligth,the propane for heating in MAlvinas,the hospital and free university were paid off by Argentina.Now the conservative crooks,they made some money using the people tax payers,they DO NOT SELL WEAPONS to Argentina,tehy spent 3 billion pounds for the MAlvinas campaign,the invested 1 billion pounds in building the airport and the infraestructure in MAlvinas.They spends 300 millions for maintenance/year,and the Malvinenses get 40 million(and comming down revenues,from fish,now that Argentina Catch theI llex Argentinus at the source(the River Plate)..
HOW STUPID SOMEBODY CAN BE..MY GOD!
THE BRITS are IDIOTS to THE CUBE!!
Seems that an average actor has touched a nerve in colonialist minds.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0P.S.: Too many pro-kelper editorials. Oh! I forgot, there are some banners on the right side of my monitor which says “Falkland Islands Holidays” and “Malvina House Hotel”, I mean, Media follows money! :-)
@19 I don't think you believe what you're writing. The UK always had sovereignty of the Falklands since first finding in 1600s. We didn't always have a permanent English settlement on there, but we didn't have to, as we owned it.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata wasn't isn't the same as Argentina. It was a precursor to Argentina with significantly different boundaries, including Uruguay.
The fact is, there was a big placard telling you who owned it, and you definitely read the placard because you subsequently stole it. Face facts, you were squatters.
@Greek Yogart
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I follow your posts with great anticpation. The are either factual, funny or intersting. There are a few people on here that make random silly comments ( sadly myself included) I wish I had the depth of knowledge and volcabulary you have to voice a reasonable argument. However; while you are on here I don't think I need to. It makes me feel a little sad at times as you write in a way what I am thinking.
Keep up the good work.
@24 although I appreciate the sentiment, we are all a part of the same community that sit with a international children's history book at one hand, reciting naught but obvious objective facts in order to counter the pettiness and lies driving third-world expansionism.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You, as much as I, deserve a pat on the back.
@Malvinero1. Argentina is the one who are worse off. Yes, Britain may have its own problems but Argentina really are in the s**t. You inflation is almost comparable to that of Zimbabwe. Are you proud? CFK has restricted private companies making predictions about it. Still proud? You are a bunch of fascist pigs who give NO thought about attacking others when you are clearly in the wrong (Just like '82)!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 26 Ben, Please don't rise to the argument about which country is better. Let's try to stick to historical and political facts about who has rightful claim to the islands. I myself believe that the islands should belong to the ................islanders.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they then wish to remain british then so be it. What ever comes from the recent spat it should always be about what is best for the people stuck in the middle, the Falkland islanders. Even though I know the big bad world does not work like that it is only my opinion which probably means little to anyone.
I do believe that Britain is better for the islands. I don't like the way the current Argentinian government works, its lie's, and the way it protrays itself to international community. At least with Britain there seems to be more security (no talking about military security here) with regards to the best interests of the islanders both politically and economically.
I know that there is going to be some one who disagrees with what I have written above and I ask one thing. If you disagree please enlighten me with your arguement sensibly. If you can prove me wrong please do it. I am open to debates to learn other view points and then to furthur consiladate my own.
@27. I have supported the Falkland Islander's right to self-determination from day one. If the day came the the Falkland Islander's chose Argentina over the UK then I would respect that decision, but at the moment the Islanders are not showing this, and Argentina are using aggression to claim their 'rights' to the island.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same also applies to what I belive of Gibraltar and Spain. The last two referendums in Gibraltar showed that 98%+ wanted to be part of the UK and not Spain. If one day, the people of Gibraltar chose Spain, then I respect that, but at the moment they don't.
When somebody tries to say that the UK is in a worse economic position than Argetina, somebody has to and explain that they obviously have their figures wrong. I wasn't trying to say who was the better country and apologise if it appeared like that, I was just trying to state that the UK is financially stronger than @Malvinero1 was trying to make out.
@28 according to the UN Resolutions, they would have to become independent and then choose Argentina. Anything else and the UK would be acting against the UN resolutions.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK et al. is basically a big family party. Nothing is constant in this world, and if someone (Scotland) doesn't want to be a part of the family or party, then it'll be a bit sad, but no one would stop them from leaving. It's better that they go somewhere else than sit there moaning about how sh!t it is (Scotland), ruining all the fun. Ireland chose to leave the party and now they're at Germany's fetish party as a gimp and having a pretty terrible time. I'm not terribly upset about that either.
I think the same thing would happen to Mr. Salmond if he got his independence. He obviously fancies the idea of being spanked by a German leather whip! [shudder]
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would be more than happy for Scotland to go if they wish, just like anyone else. What I don't like is other countries and their bullying tactics interfering.
@11FidoDido,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are competely wrong yet again.
The USA went to war with Mexico & conquered California, as well as Arizona etc.
They may have paid them, idiot, but the Mexicans had no say in the deal.
Get your facts right before you mouth off you clogg-hopping fool.
@19Marcos,
The trespassing Argentine garrison was ejected(with their flag)& rightly so.
They were trying to steal our land.
@23GreekYoghurt,
They still are Squatters & descendants of murderers, especially in Patagonia.
@30 Salmond is a one trick pony. “Scottish independence”. He's pretty much patronised the Scots into submission with massively one sided arguments that don't discuss the economic or social consequences of independence. I personally will laugh when they become independent and become yet another Iceland or Republic-Of-GermanyIreland and think, right, what next? Then they'll blame the rUK for the fact they're not doing very well and we'll then rebuild Hadrian's wall.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It will be just like watching a truly scottish car crash.
Notice that there was no article on Penn's statements on the matter -- but there's an article with some irrelevant angry John Doe responding to his comments. I know street children who could run a newspaper better than do Mercopress's editors.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Can you just Shush please. Mr S. Penn is resting after a few days intensive trolling whole countries and doesn't want the likes of you disturbing him with this negativity.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress is a source of pure gold. If you don't like pure gold, then I guess you can go elsewhere and look for unpure gold.
@19 Marcos Alejandro - A: The fact that Mexico aren't complaining does not change history. They pay their respects to their 25,000 dead once a year by the way. Their country's land and capital was invaded, what choice did they have? B: Mexico unlike Argentina is focusing on the future rather than the past. The Brits claimed the unoccupied land in 1765, true it may have co-existed with a French settlement at the same time but they abandoned the settlement and never returned. By your flawed logic the Falklands have just as much right to claim Argentina as you do their land. You say the Brits don't belong in South America, tell me, what language do you speak Senor?
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Malvinero1 - Argentina's indignation about the Falklands is not based on reality but a political tool to distract the gullible populace from home issues that they cannot resolve. 22% inflation! Really? And you say we have problems! People in glass houses...
Hopefully one day the Falklands will be able to fend off Argentina for themselves and they will be an independant nation but they will remember how us Brits helped them fight off the aggressors!
Two cases completely different from one another, nothing to do indeed.,mthe fac remains that THE news was and still is Penn supports Argentina's sovereignty as widely publishednarounf the world. GREAT JOB ARGENTINA ONCA AGAIN!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#34 Lame.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Yes, well done Argentina on getting a professional troll to join your cause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woySeSNBL3o). Have a pat on the back from me for that one. GRATE JOBA ARGINTINA ONCA AGAINO!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#34 Lame
Stop it Oscar I am bereft of ribs
You've gotta love Sean Penn:
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16171689
Unbelievable! He just stood there! He should've pinned Chávez to the ground! and taught that dictator who was talking about his electoral opponent how democracy works!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learn!
http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/news-in-pics/2007/05/30/tony-blair-gaddafi-pic.jpg
http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/news-in-pics/2007/05/30/tony-blair-gaddafi-pic.jpg
@41 you know that according to Sean Penn opponents of Chavez deserve jail (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/03/08/sean-penn-wants-reporters-jailed-calling-chavez-dictator/)
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0p.s. I don't watch fox news, before any of you start.
@11 Unfortunately, doggy, the United States didn't actually pay Mexico anything as such. Being far more clever than argies (who are given to filling briefcases etc. with money and getting it found in a transport system), all the U.S. did was to offset the “price” against Mexico's debts to the U.S.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Erm, no. Argies have propaganda, we have history. Documented history.
@15 And what is the argie approach? Britain had been on the Islands since 1690. In 1828, the United Provinces rebel government granted one Luis Vernet East Falkland provided he could set up a COLONY within 3 years. Unfortunately, Vernet had to obtain British permission before he could go to the Islands to set up his (ostensible) commercial venture. When Britain found out about the UP action, they protested the action on sovereign British territory. Seems argieland has a long history of sneaky underhand actions. Vernet was, of course, arrested by the United States for piracy and taken to Montevideo for trial. The next sneaky underhand action by argies was the commissioning of Major Esteban Mestivier to set up a penal COLONY in November 1832. Mestivier was murdered by his own men. Lieutenant Colonel José María Pinedo had just about restored order when Britain returned on 20 December 1832. So argieland's only actions have been aimed at colonisation. Now who's “ludicrous and archaic commitment to colonialist ideology.” are we talking about? Besides, in 1850, Britain and Argentina sign the “Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship”. The Falkland Islands are not mentioned. So it couldn't have been an outstanding difference. Argieland says nothing else until 1884. Leaving aside 1982, argieland's last ”official” presence on the Islands was colonial. And so it is argieland with a ludicrous and archaic commitment to colonialism.
Can some one help to explain to me the powers of the ICJ as reading through some posts that this is a route that Argentina is likely wanting to take? Why is this?
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Most of the resolutions that the Argies keep botting on about, upon reading the text, are pretty weak. They 'suggest' and 'urge' and 'advise' and 'welcome' but they don't actually demand that you truly do anything. The Security council rulings are typically a bit more sternly worded (http://www.falklands.info/history/resolution502.html) with 'demands' and 'calls for'.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you can imagine that it's quite easy for these resolutions to be ignored, especially in the Committees and Talks. If you just look at the countries engaged with the Special Committee on Decolonisation, it's basically a bunch of greedy third world countries that are willing to colonise anything near them in a heartbeat. The Religious Tolerance Committee is sponsored by the home of religious tolerance, Saudi 'Kill the Kaffir' Arabia.
Bearing all this in mind, the UN is about as useful as a chocolate shoe. However the ICJ exists in order to legally resolve conflicts between states. Countries signed up to the ICJ are partially bound to follow it's rulings, especially if they are sat on its benches (UK, USA). The last thing the Argentinians want an objective legal ruling on this situation, based upon historical facts, because most of what they teach in their schools is party to historical revisionism.
Basically, a final judgement binding Argentina to respect the self determination of the Falkland Islanders would rob the Argentinian Ministry of Truth of an important nationalistic propaganda tool that they can use to align the masses to their political will. Joining Kerchnerism with Malvinarism, allows them to unify the people behind Kerchnerism and call anyone who disagrees a national traitor or anti-malvinasist.
It's just textbook orwellian-goebellian methodology, based on fallacious logic used by authoritarian governments to control the unthinking masses. Logically, [you don't like FCK] but [FCK likes Malvinas] hence [you don't like Malvinas] (i.e. traitor).
Hitler used it with the Jews.
General Assembly resolutions are not legally binding on anyone (eg Syria yesterday); they are just a formal statement of world opinion.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Security Council resolutions are legally binding and ignoring them can lead to anything from sanctions to a cruise missile bouncing off your head.
@46 Ignoring security council rulings can also have you ejected from other people's property and your Belgrano sunk (see resolution 502).
Feb 17th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a completely pathtic little propaganda piece to put up here, though I can't say I'm surprised. Theres been so many canards about Sean in the last few days its clear he really ruffled some feathers; the idea he doesn't criticise American policy is particularly weird!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The article at #5 is all over the place, for one thing its not Cristina but the Haitian government that wants Haiti to have an army; if the Argentines can be part of that process with their own history of overcoming human rights abusers then thats a good thing and maybe why Penn turned to them.
Finally Sean Penn only went to North Korea IN A FICTIONAL PUPPET MOVIE, you do know that guys. And the only thing I can find about wife beating on google is some consensual spanking with Madonna, of the kind I suppose #32 was imagining my own Alex Salmond getting from the Germans =)
@48 I think you missed the point. What everyone was laughing about was what the Haitian military were like before, and also how F.CK was suggesting that they model their police service on the Argentinian police service who spend most of their time wearing PLO masks, and throwing stones at the front of HSBC.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what it is about Kirchnerism that draws you towards it so.
This piece is indeed a disgusting. Immature, petty, can't accept vigorous disagreement without resisting the temptation to engage in character assassination.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(And btw, I myself think it was very noble of him to visit Iraq and declare his support for the country at the moment that he did that -- at least, more noble than invading Iraq, punishing its population, for what turned out to be false excuses. But please, don't let silly things such as truth and morality stand on your way, Dr. Stanley -- keep bad-mouthing Mr. Penn in this virile, mature fashion of yours.)
Mr penn is but one person, who has his opinion,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has in the past upset many Americans with his opinions,
You either take it with a pinch of salt, or not,
He wont be the first or last, so don’t let it worry you .
Why do Argies always harp on abt dates,
How much time can one go back and forth?
Surely the only fact irrelevant today in a court of law, would be possession, and occupation,
The Falklands have now been inhabited for over 150 years by the British , they have been administered and run for over 150 years, and what the British choose to do with them,
And what the islanders do for them selves is entirely up to them, and has nothing to do with any other country in the world,
No court would hand over the islands to another, in this day and age,
Democracy has been fought for and now widely accepted; Argentina as with most countries signed these charters of rights,
And thus must comply with them, the people today have the freedom to choose who governs them,
Thus Argentina should remove the offending article from her constitution, and get on with there own country, and leave the Falklands alone, then we can all have peace,,
For peace cannot rein forever, just a thought.
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@51 briton,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And a very good thought, too, briton.
can't accept vigorous disagreement without resisting the temptation to engage in character assassination.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like you Forgetit
Who cares what Sean Penn says!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I forgot argentina does!
What a LOOSER!!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
@48 Pity you didn't research anywhere more erudite. Or perhaps you did, but it didn't say what you wanted it to say. Anyway, here's a nice little quote for you:
Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Later in the marriage, Penn was charged with felony domestic assault, a charge for which he pleaded to a misdemeanor.” Understanding the U.S. judicial system, this is like being charged with murder but agreeing to plead guilty to grievous bodily harm.
@50 “Noble”? Penn wouldn't understand “noble”. If he did he wouldn't be supporting 40 million cowardly argies against 3,000 Falkland Islanders. He might be able to do “noble” if it was in the script and someone explained to him what expression he was supposed to adopt. Oh yes, Mr Penn is a very “noble” man. He has founded a “tent camp” in Haiti. But there are still over a million people without shelter and 3,333 have died since the hurricane. And how long has he been an “ambassador” for Haiti? 18 days. I see he also “nobly” went to get physically involved in rescuing people after Hurricane Katrina. And employed a photographer so no-one would miss his “noble” efforts. I can just imagine it, “No, Sean, the light wasn't quite right. Shove her back under the building and then drag her out again. If I position myself right, I can get a good picture of her screaming from the pain of her broken ribs and an even better one as you catch her broken legs against the foundations. Try not to take too long, I'm running out of film.”
@54 It's “LOSER”, not looser. If you let your belt out a couple of notches, that's “looser”.
@55 “In Buenos Aires Penn made headlines when he said 'I don't only beat women, I also beat vegetables, I'm not choosy' ”
Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#49 “wonder what it is about Kirchnerism that draws you towards it so.”
Feb 19th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I support all the progressive governments of Latin America, all of which have come to power through great struggles from below for democracy and social justice. I support Kirchnerism as the political consequence of the great struggles against the greedy elites who wrecked the country in 2001. And because it has worked so well, leading to record growth and inclusive policies, proving that countries don't have to obey the IMF (and suffer) when they can defy it (and prosper). A very relevant message for Europe at the moment =)
And lets face it, if she was on your side you wouldn't be clutching at straws to pretend that Cristina is ugly or an evil bitch or whatever; she's really the most compelling world leader going at the moment, beautiful, eloquent, strong and progressive on the side of the people. Happy birthday Queen Cristina, wishing you many happy returns and many re-elections =)
@57 Hey Oswald, you're commenting here too.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By greedy elites do you mean Kirchner and her cabal? Do you mean the cult of celebrity surrounding Everlasting Leader Nestor and his Mao-esque Mausoleum (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2011/10/29/2003516985)? Do you mean how she won't disclose her income?
Given that you get offended by the fact you're a Nazi, you'll be pleased to know his Hitler Youth group, La Campora, still sing songs about his greatness and his authoritarian practices.
You're 100% right though. Countries like Argentina and North Korea don't have to obey the IMF and suffer. They just ignore the IMF, print money like it's news and then suffer.
Your sounding like a right nutter on here. The idea that Argentina is like North Korea, that Nestor is like Kim Il-Sung just because he has a memorial (more modest than that of some previous Argentine leaders according to the article) and that leftist, pro-people governance is Nazism just makes you sound like a crackpot Tea Party loony tune. Just answer me this - would you ever support defiance of the IMF and the banks, under any circumstances. I was going to ask if you'd even ever support a strike but I suppose you would as long as it brought down Cristina and helped the rich back to power =)
Feb 19th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Popularist politics, such as the types used by Nestor, Peron, Hitler, Mussolini rarely have a political left-right position. Your own political party the “British Union of Fascists and National Socialists” apparently contain left wing socialists and right wing fascists.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0North Korea and Argentina are very similar. They both espouse economic isolationism and expansionism.
To be honest, I don't know which is worse, the fact you're too weak to live under Kirchnerism or the fact that you support it and don't understand what it means.
Nazism and fascism were not real popularism though, they were invited in to power to keep the working class down. North Korea is a complete distortion, the opposite of real socialism in its complete lack of democracy, isolationaism and yes dynasticism (unlike the Kirchners who were political activists who married each other, and have kept being democratically elected). But it seems your distaste for “popularism” answers my question about whether you could ever support defiance of the elite.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One must accept, that if you [Argies] dislike the British, then one can expect the same on the re-bound,
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is your leader not ours,
Cameron is our leader, and not yours,
You all love CFK we don’t all like Cameron,
Simple really,
But it still does not alter the fact, that what Argentina is doing, is illegal and wrong, and immoral
Devious and underhanded, [are they not ]
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“You all love CFK we don’t all like Cameron”
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why! =)
Anyway Cristina is more my spiritual leader than Cameron...
@63 that show's you're as ethical as a catholic priest then, as your spiritual leader and her husband only really got rich from business deals they did 'after' getting into office. That seems to happen a lot in South American mock-socialist countries.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some are more equal than others there, I guess.
Whats your problem with people making money during an economic boom, do you think Argentina should have a more thoroughgoing socialist revolution then?! At least THAT would be an interesting question to discuss, but your just being a hypocrite aren't you?
Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 Rest assured, I'm not a hypocrite, and it's “you'RE just being a hypocrite”.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I'm saying is that, socialist revolutions where the political class line their own pockets, like in China, North Korea, Venezuela and Argentina are funny. I find it particularly funny when the Kirchners get rich through politicized deals and I find it funny when Hugo's daughter is waving money in front of her fact. It just makes the widespread poverty bite that little bit harder.
At the end of the day,
Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All argie bloggers have to answer, is just one question to them selves,
Do they believe that people have the right to decide who governs them?
Yes or know, it’s that simple.
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@67 I think that has already been decided with a categorical 'NO', people should not be able to decide who governs them, according to Argentinians.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think it should be pointed out that just over one third of people eligible to vote in Argentina voted for CFKC. The rest voted for other candidates or didn't bother.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone regarding a mere mortal - a member of the rich elite - as a spiritual leader should visit the country, see the poverty, meet the people and see the reality of CFKC's policies. It is not at all the same as her frothy, rambling speeches telling everyone what they want to hear. “Do we all love kittens in a basket? Then vote for me, the widow woman, because I will give you kittens in a basket”. Maybe an actor or popstar would be more appropriate for fan worship?
There is something else very relevent to be considered. Most Argentines know she lies continually and has mental health problems. But being a liar and bi-polar is no impediment to leadership in Argentina. There are a lot of Argentines who have no hope of a better life but she tells them it is better with her and they want to believe her. The rest seem to believe there is no real oppostion or that all Argentine politicians are corrupt, so what is the difference.
#67 yes Argentines have the right to choose in Argentina as brtish have the right to choose in UK but neither of them have the right to do so if they are illegally occupying eachothers land. as for the fakland island company they have heir rights protected in UK witch has no jurisdiction in Islas Malvinas Argentina, unless there is some agreement between UK and Argentina all we will do is exchange ideas.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 Hitler used to make rousing speeches to poor people suffering inflation, telling them how good life would be if they stuck with him, and how he'd get back land they lost, and he had lots of fans..... then they killed the jews, homeless, mentally handicapped, gays... then they got bombed.. .. but they eventually turned out okay (they own ireland and greece).
Feb 20th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 in 1982 you invaded the Falkland Islands, the UN Security Council Ruling 502 enacted Article 51 of the UN Charter allowing a nation to act in SELF DEFENCE. You cannot self defend someone else's. But rest assured, do it again, and we will self defend again. ... and remember, it's hard to watch Kirchner-TV with no power stations.
#69 “Maybe an actor or popstar would be more appropriate for fan worship?”
Feb 20th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like many such people - Sean Penn is one of them =) - but as a political activist myself none compare to Cristina as an inspiration that politics doesn't have to be so dire as it currently is in my own country. And I can't think of a prettier popstar or actress either =)
“her frothy, rambling speeches telling everyone what they want to hear. “Do we all love kittens in a basket? Then vote for me, the widow woman, because I will give you kittens in a basket”.”
Is this the kind of speech you mean: ”Inclusión es que te acostás en tu casa y sabés que aunque llueva no te vas a inundar; inclusión es tener una nueva escuela; inclusión es tener televisión; inclusión es tener el polideportivo; inclusión es tener trabajo.
(Inclusion is that you acostás in your House and know that even if it rains you will not flood; inclusion is to have a new school; inclusion is to have TV; inclusion is to have the Sports Centre; inclusion is to have working.)”? You see these things might not matter so much to you as a rich British expat, but to the poor masses they're actually quite important!
Finally I myself know some bipolar people and know that they couldn't run a country. Not that they couldn't be elected here but in weirdo argieland thats different for some reason, just that they couldn't cope, couldn't even do as competently as Cameron let alone the bravura performance of CFK in running a state and leading a people. Then again they say Cromwell was bipolar and he was one of the best leaders Britain has had, so maybe its doesn't matter if she is =)
But more seriously this “mental health problems” canard was just another lie by the oligarchy, stoke by Mrs Clinton (who of course has reason to envy Mrs Kirchner's success), one disgracefully hyped when Cristina had every reason to be mentally fragile after her sudden shocking bereavement, and one resoundingly answered by the people at the last election
@72 James Peck has more balls that you... at least he moved to Falklands to do terrible art and being lampooned. You sit in the UK pretending to care about F.cK and her botox. Your admiration isn't real, it's just a sh!t phase, that you'll get over in your basement.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72British_Kirchnerist,
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've lost me with your reasoning.
Who are you today?
haha Tim Puertoargentino lives in a colonial world,,,, when the world have change a lot!
Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0California was given to US by Mexico by a treaty, as Hong Kong back to China , DIego Garcia Is,.... but in HK , UK has asked to their people about self-determination???? no... that is hypocrisy when try to impose the self-det in our Malvinas, where don´t apply and all the World dont support.......
Its obvious that Mr Penn owns land stolen from the Mexican people. He should return it fortwith
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argies your diversions do not work,
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And she will lead you up the garden path and leave you .
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