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Cameron reaffirms to Rajoy 30.000 Gibraltarians right to self determination
Britain will not negotiate with Spain on the question of sovereignty over Gibraltar without the approval of the colony's residents, Premier David Cameron said this week during a visit by Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy. Read full article
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Feb 22nd, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mariano Rajoy: “You should negotiate about Gibraltar!”
David Cameron: “Are you negotiating about the Canary Islands, Ceuta or Melilla?”
Mariano Rajoy: “Of course not, they are Spanish!!!!”
David Cameron: “Is there any blood in your hypocrisy system?”
“We want our colonies to remain colonies of the UK, as they wish. I mean... the ´British Overseas Terroytories´ which are ´self governing´ and that want to remain British just because they like us”
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0XXI colonialism: “Self governing” Overseas Territories.
We should invade the Isle of Man - it's clearly part of British territory and not an Englishman goes to bed at night without tossing and turning over this grave issue.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I generally don't sleep without thinking about those colonist Manx pirates.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What really I don't understand is C24 should apparently be super happy about self-determination being of great importance and territories being decolonised, however because of the nationalist poison of the Argies, the C24 seems to only be happy if a new colony is being created.
The argies and spanish both have toilet economies so if giving them something to get upset about keeps them busy, so be it.
Why is there even an argument over this. I read the agreement made to give Gibraltar to Britain... it says very clearly that they give Gibraltar to the British forever... I have more claim to the rock than the Spanish!
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 There is only a debate because of a somewhat hypocritical streak to the spanish, which they in turn passed on to the argentinians.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just wonder why Aregentina don’t claim Wales? After all I think they have more welsh than those living UK. Just a thought.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0#5 Yes the Spanish gave us Gibraltar legally and under an internationally recognised treaty. 97% of the population don't even want to talk to Spain, let alone have a referendum. However you are forgetting 'Spanish and their dodgy colonial mates law' which states 'if something is a little bit near you it's worth a tantrum to try and get it' law. This example is shown in recent years with Guatemala nearly invading Belize, Peru and Ecuador having fisticuffs, Venezuela wanting chunks of Guyana, Argentina and the Beagle channel and whatever and of course Argentina and Falkland Islands - they had to pick on something.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Here are two figures. (1) 25,000 (2) 3,006,400. Can you tell us which figure is appropriate to argieland?
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 is (1) the number of times KFC has said 'give peace a chance!' and (2) the number of indigenous people they still plan to genocide before 2020?
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just dont get this. Both Spain and Argentina want territory that isnt theirs and they have no claim too even when the population of both territories overwhelmingly back staying with the UK.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It really is embarrassing. What does it say about the UK in comparison with these hispanic countries? It says lots about the UK and very little good about the other two.
“We have different positions, but we will keep talking,” Rajoy said.”
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David has kindly told me to 'fook off', but I am having that translated because I do not know what it means.
typical hypocrisy from DC!
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is DC not as interested in the chagossians right to self-determination? Is it because they are not descendants of the British Isles?
The chagossians have had to go through the British Court system to try and regain the right to return to their Islands in the Indian Ocean (e.g. Diego Garcia) to no avail. And yes, they are indigenous peoples to those islands like Diego Garcia which the British leased to the USA for a military base.
Ah! again and again British bad people grabbing land everywhere. And te rule of law?
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rajoy is leading a country that is in an almost desperate state. In some places the Policia Local can't get credit to put fuel in the police cars, one in five are unemployed and the debt is eye-watering. So, he thought he would do something popular, just like CFK. The sovereignty referendum in Gibraltar in 2002 showed that 98.48% of the people that voted wanted things to stay as they were. I'm all for another referendum to see if they have changed their minds. I very much doubt they have!
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm... spanish and argentinians wanting someone else's land. Must be a cultural thing all this forgetting history and signed agreements.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given that the British are SOOOOOOOOO concerned over the self-determination of peoples, I expect them to revoke the lease of Diego Garcia to the USA and hand it over immediately to their rightful owners, the Chagossians.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't hold your breath though
@17 we're not. A bit like you Argies aren't handing back Argentina to the rightful owners. We won't be holding our breath about that one either.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 & 17 Actually, half-breed, if you were capable of some proper research you would learn that there really aren't any “Chagossians”. “They” are not indigenous to Diego Garcia or anywhere else in the Chagos Archipelago. They are basically Africans, many brought to the islands as slaves by the French. Others arrived as fishermen, farmers and coconut plantation workers.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No “Chagossian” ever owned property on the archipelago. Initially, it was all the property of the French financed Mauritian company, Societe Huiliere de Diego et Peros. In 1962, the plantations were sold to the Seychelles Company, Chagos-Agalega Company. In April 1967, the British Indian Ocean Territory Administration bought out Chagos-Agalega for £600,000, thus becoming the sole property owner in the BIOT. Still no “Chagossian” owned any property. The owners of a property can, basically, do what they like. The British Government sent the Mauritian government £650,000 in full and final settlement of the government's obligations. I understand that the Mauritians kept the money but did nothing. In 1979, Britain offerered the IIois,their proper name, a further £1.25 million.
Has argieland ever done anything similar for all the indigenous people they dispossessed and murdered. Not a chance. Now how much do you reckon you owe the “real” indigenous people of your country? Just how many of your forbears did you betray and/or kill, half-breed? You have no justification for pointing a finger. You and your forbears have done MUCH, MUCH worse. Perhaps you should try researching the names of all the tribes that USED to occupy the territory now called Argentina. While you're at it, you could try identifying all the communities and the size of the populations your ancestors helped to annihilate. Have you no shame?
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