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Spain trusts Gibraltar and Malvinas cases will be addressed at next UN General Assembly
Spain’s Foreign Affairs Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo trusts the next UN General Assembly will debate on the Gibraltar and Malvinas Islands conflicts, “and express support for negotiations”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“they look alike because they are included in the UN list of territories subject to decolonization; because the principle of self determination IS NOT applicable and in both cases the sponsored solution is that it must be negotiated”.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep.
May be now Argentines and Spanish can join Military forces and declare war to UK on their own soil.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way do the have carries? Ah! Yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQksBMLCXU
1 and 2
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats your stance on moroccan claims over the canary islands?
The term “don't throw rocks in glass houses” springs to mind as far as Spain is concerned.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0They want us to give them BILLIONs in bailouts because their (subsidised by other EU countries) has collapsed.
They currently occupy Ceuta and Melilla in North Africa, so are total hypocrites.
We should pull out of the EU and refuse to bail these backstabbers out, i never like them anyway due to their treatment of the people who live in Gibraltar.
We should just flatly demand that they hand their own colonies back then make their lives as difficult as possible by boycotting Spain as a holiday destination and boycotting their goods. Go away and be poor.
By the way do the have carries? Ah! Yes
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its not what you got its how you use it
Defeat of the Spanish Armada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl3stf20X10
3 brit abroad Do they?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Moroccan consul Abderrahman Leibek in a radio interview with 'Radio Club Tenerife' assured his country ”has never had, does not have, nor will have claims“ on the Spanish archipelago”
http://www.afrol.com/articles/31902
marcos: this forum is intended for valuable converstaion or debate, not pasting a part of the article and typing “yep”!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0danyberger: Are you on the funny tabacco? Are you recovering from a brain clot? Where are your balls man? The RG's need Spain to fight a war for them? I cant see that happening, especially considering some of the points mentioned by shb (who actually adding something credible to this forum)!
If you want a fight, i am living in China at the moment, i will send you my details and you can bring a friend if you have one - you can pick the contest, but before you ask i dont do pillow fights!
7 brit abroad, Free speech over here and by the way you asked a question@3, did you read the article I posted @6? no comments?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0marco,
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Couldnt asnwer you becuse i had submitted my last post but yes I stand corrected on the canary issue!
regardless of my error, what has free speech got to do with anything?
9 brit abroad, Trying to regulate what someone else, he or she should or shoulnd't comment or post is not considerer freedom of speech, I think.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy the rest of your afternoon in China.
I do find it highly amusing that Danny is at it again.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain and Argentina VS the UK = Spain and Argentina getting raped. The UK would obliterate both put together.
Also is this the same Spain that requires British money so it doesn't go bankrupt?
All the UK would have to do is stop giving Spain money and they wouldn't even be able to put fuel in their planes or ships lol!
Not to mention the UK could invoke NATO to make it even more embarrassing for Spain.
And if that wasn't bad enough they still have their own colonies.
This is pure comedy at its best!
Marcos:
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0i didnt tell you not to do it, or try and regulate your post!! By using my right to free speech i was only pointing out that I thought your post was idle and a waste of space.
Lets talk about something else!
Do you prefer cats or dogs?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moroccan-protesters-blockade-spanish-enclave-2051292.html people in glass houses LOL
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12 - When you say do you prefer cats or dogs, is it not rude to ask Marcos what he is having for lunch?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0O woe to Spain, how far thou hath fallen out of majestie.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now you're adopting the third-world foreign-policy of whinging. You're even becoming more militant in your support of nonself-determination of people's because of your Moroccan enclaves.
It appears that people of Spanish Descent cannot figure out that it's better to focus on your economy when it's 'doing a greece' rather than on making a land-grab for someone else's property.
That means there will be even more re-colonisation and no self-determination chat at the UN. Completely negates the need for the UN really, considering it goes against the charter. Silly Spain.
Is it something in the Iberian DNA to delude oneself?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently. It's also in their DNA to not bring anything to the negotiation other than demands. This Argentinian-Spanish method of negotiation seems to appear everywhere these days. It's probably why all their economies are so f*cked, because no one can do business there.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Iberian: “I want your whole business for free”
Other-European: “No”
Iberian: “I want your whole business for free”
Other-European: “No”
Iberian: “I want your whole business for free”
Other-European: “No”
repeat ad nauseum.
I think this DNA disorder actually manifests as some kind of deficiency in their cognitive reasoning. Like surely they can see it's a futile method?
Did Spain not take any notice of the last referendum in Gibraltar?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 I think Spain abandoned all knowledge of democracy and abandoned the path of righteousness when its economy and banks tanked.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now they're currently in the process of opening themselves up to a really nice 'negotiation' about Ceuta, Melilla, Perejil Island and the Canary Islands. Because using the same logic these Iberians are using about geographic proximity, and ignoring their previous treaties they're principally boogered.
The UN will be getting more than a few letters asking C24 to add these 'colonies' to the list methinks.
Just words for domestic consumption.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not really expecting resolutions - only Resolutions.
I don,t want to be accused of racism here but doesn,t there appear to be some sort of correlation between being south European,Hispanic,Latin ,probably Catholic ,and having a corrupt ,buggered up economy.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand the north European ,protestant ethic national stereotype economies seem to have less corruption and better run economies.
Argentina takes after its Iberian motherland despite being the 8th biggest country in the world with untold land and mineral resources.
If it was an Anglo country it would be challenging Canada or Australia;
instead it is persecuting a tiny group of islands with 3000 people.
Respect for the poor people who died in the terrible train crash but with 50 year old rolling stock it appears to have been predictable.
How Argentina can realistically get out of its incompetent ,peronist fantasy nightmare I do not know .
@17 You shouldn't say “these days” until you've read all the history from around 1400. It doesn't take long. Briefly it comes down to Spain = mostly losers unless it involves attacking natives still using flint knives.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perejil Island is a great example.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few Morrocan navy cadets were sat on there in protest in 2002 and the Spanish turned up with their special forces to evict them in short order.
It's 15 hectares situated 250 metres from the Moroccan mainland
I'm married to a Gibraltarian, and God help anyone who would suggest to her that Spain has anything to do with Gib - she'd feed you to the apes on top of the Rock!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Believe me, that goes for all Gibraltarians - they're British, and the Spanish are well aware that that's how they see themselves, and they can't stand it. That's the problem.
Spain plays the same game as Argentina. They want the territory but pride prevents them from any other approach than demanding it.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Spain want to discuss history, we should just mention the unpaid Manila Ransom. It was worth £4 million in 1763 so it's pretty much worth £600 million now. So, I think we can just sit down and discuss that one first.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love how the UN just leaves these smaller places for the wolvish failed-states like Argentina and Spain to feed on.
@23 Do you see Perejil Island being discussed at the UN? Not so much.
I assume that proximity means the Moroccans want to maintain good relations so don't kick up too much of a fuss about it. They also haven't been brainwashing their children about it since pre-school. When it happened most Spanish and Moroccans had never even heard of the islands.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idlehands, you think Perejil is bad. How about these bits of Spain which have no populations and are actually attached to Morocco.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%C3%B1%C3%B3n_de_Alhucemas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%C3%B1%C3%B3n_de_Alhucemas
At least with Ceuta and Melilla the self determination of the people who live there comes into play, but for the other “Plazas de soberania” Spain is nothing more than a hypocrite.
Is of-Iberian-origin synonymous with hypocrite?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 We do have carriers they are called HMS Ocean and HMS Illustrious. They can both carry Apache helicopters (we have 67). They would be escorted by our type 45 destroyers which would give them ample air support and HMS Albion and Bulwalk brimming full of Royal Marines.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or as an alternative,
the millions of Brits that go holidaying in Spain every year would go somewhere else and this alone would sink the Spannish economy.
Does anyone also think we should invade Sealand (again) and recover it for the crown?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what the Argentines or Spanish would make of that place.
If you look into 'freedomland' that's quite funny. Countries in the south china sea are continuously picking up squatters and sending them back to where they came from. Part of the reason a lot of these countries wish for 'self determination' to go away is because of the claims in the Spratly islands which are largely unpopulated... self determination would ruin some country's claims.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ελληνικό γιαούρτι That's exactly why Argentina makes such a fuss about it's people “living” on Antarctica... It was Día de la Antártida Argentina only a couple of days ago and they were at it again.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will end up in the European Court, with the Spanish left hanging on the barbed wire of the European Human Rights Act.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish may well have just played their last card.
@33 Yep, the argentinians, being Iberians are just going to claim the whole of Antarctica and then claim it's not colonisation. It's just faggotry of the highest order.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 The ECHR should seriously haul the Spanish up for this one. Surely there is a human right about not having to endure this level of hypocrisy.
Both Spain and Argentina perceive the UK as weak,
Feb 24th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But still powerful enough to beat both at the same time, [true]
But again our government lets us down; we don’t want to offend anyone or anybody,
Both should be told to shut up, and get on with there own problems, instead of using Gibraltar and the Falklands as an excuse to deal with their problems.
the world is going backwards, not forwards, so its only a matter of time before violence replaces the peace, and these two children learn the hard way .
@36 Sun Zi would say 'appear weak when you are strong' so it's not a bad strategy we are taking.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish economy is utterly focked, and relies on retiring British people to buy second houses there and youthful british people to go on holiday there. This attempt to thump up Gibraltar talks is just their attempt at reminiscing of more powerful times. They would never actually come to anything, as the UK would say 'pyssarf'.
Same with Argentina, their economy is in collapse, again.. based upon a failed ideology, peronism, that they're addicted to as if it's crack cocaine. They have no pride, no one listens to them, and this is their attempt to get one go at the world stage before sinking under the waves. They simply have nothing to lose.
we are all in agreement,
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have nothing, and will never have nothing .
Another parallel.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Government of Gibraltar flat out challenged the Spanish Government to take this to the ICJ...you can guess the result.
what South America should do is unite in one nation and
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0go nuclear and then we will see if the Uk has the balls to
confront them. They would become a world power with natural
resources and a powerful Armed forces.
You really should cut out the hyperbole and get your facts straight. Ceuta and Melilla are integral parts of the Spanish state, and have been since the 16th century, centuries prior to Morocco's independence from France in 1956, whereas Gibraltar, being a British Overseas Territory, is not and never has been part of the United Kingdom.[18] Furthermore, Ceuta has been under Christian rule (Spanish or Portuguese) for a longer period than major cities in peninsular Spain such as Málaga, Granada or Almería, and has been so since before the creation of the Spanish state in 1475. The United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories do not consider those Spanish territories to be colonies, whereas it does declare Gibraltar and the Falklands as non-decolonized territories.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0well put...Betelgeuse!!
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Betelgeuse, Gibraltar was declared a colony in 1830, before that it was part of UK, where did you get the is not and never??? as far as Morroco not being a country consider the flag of the Marinid dynasty who ruled Morroco when Ceuta was invaded by the Portuguese in1415 , same flag as that used by the morrocans of today or did you think the lands of Morroco where uninhabited and unruled??
Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fi Fye Fo Fum, I can smell the smell of Iberian hypocrisy...
Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having Ceuta and Melilla as parts of the Spanish state makes it even worse, as you've made absolutely no attempt to decolonise them whatsoever, unlike the Falklands and Gibraltar which are self-governing pretty much. Sadly the C24 is the epitome of corruption so... Spain gets to be hypocritical.
“United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories do not consider those Spanish territories to be colonies, whereas it does declare Gibraltar and the Falklands as non-decolonized territories.”
@Betelgesue and aussiesunshine.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Moroccans have repeatedly stated that the Spanish possession belong to them and have repeatedly called for the same kind of talks that the Argentines ask for so IT IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT WHAT SPAIN SAYS OR THINKS. LOL .
If we got kicked out the Falklands then the Spanish would be the next losers as the Moroccans would push to claim soverignty over them. Spain would have shot itself in the foot by setting a precedent for taking over other peoples land.
The Spanish armed forces are very weak, the Morrocans would just role over the frontier in a conventional land invasion if the dipspute turned nasty. Game over Spain. I would then sit back and laugh at Spains' stupidity.
Aussiesunshine - if you were a real Australian - you might want top reconsider supporting nasty little land grabbing schemes by up and comming world powers.
Taken a good look north recently? The PRC is coming to your neighbourhood embodied by the PLAN. Did you wonder why the USA is building up assets in your country?
Your comments about nuclear proliferation were moronic. If the Argentines were to go for a nuclear wepaons program - their neighbours would too and start an arms race.
These devices are expensive to maintain and build, they would need to spend a far greater part of GDP on defence. The UK govt would laugh up its sleeve, all the Argentines would be doing would be justifiying the UK independent deterrent, while denying themselves resources for use in doing other things like buying replacement aircraft for the FAA.. It would take them years to do it too.
What are the Argentines going to do with the weapons - hitting any UK target would lead to the nuclear extermination of the Argentine people. So would hitting the Falklands, and then all they could conquer would be a radioactive, depopulated ruin. welcome to the world of MAD.
Neither the Gibraltar story or the Falklands story is now anywhere on the medias radar. These are both now complete non story's here in the UK.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sr Garcia-Margallo is talking nonsense when he says that “Self determination does not apply” What the UN Says is different:
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QUOTE
Reaffirming also its resolution 55/2 of 8 September 2000, containing the United Nations Millennium Declaration, which, inter alia, upholds the right to self-determination of peoples under colonial domination and foreign occupation,
Taking note of the report of the Secretary-General on the right of peoples to self-determination, A/56/295.
1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;
2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;
UNQUOTE
Which clearly condemns Argentine occupation of the Falklands and asserts that ALL people have the right to self-determination.
see: http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/%28Symbol%29/A.RES.56.141.En?Opendocument
So Argentina and Spain, grow up and give it up you will never win
Dear Spain,
Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before addressing your massively hypocritical faggotry, can we first get you to pay the Manila Ransom which was £4'000'000 in 1763 and without interest is worth £600'000'000 in modern currency. With interest it's probably worth considerably more.
But we'd like you to pay it, and then we'll ask the Gibraltar Folk if they want to talk to you (unlikely).
Thanks,
Graham Johnson, UK
40 aussie sunshine
Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it, from your delusional semi-literate comment of ”what South America should do is unite in one nation and go nuclear and then we will see if the Uk has the balls to confront them. They would become a world power with natural resources and a powerful Armed forces (sic).” that you are an Argie living (or claim to be) in Australia.
Well, I know South Australia quite well and having shot (by invitation) in every full-bore rifle and pistol club in the State I have never met anyone who, when push came to shove, whould abandon Britain.
Furthermore, your comment “should do is unite in one nation” is simply laughable. Most of these LatAm countries cannot even unite their own people.
If they ever, in your wildest dreams, had 'one army' they would be fighting among themselves as to who would be the Generallisimo and wear the hat with the feathers in it.
As for “and go nuclear” do you think the USA would countenance that for one second?
If I were you I would be very careful saying anything like this in public in Australia: you may not like the reaction.
The posters like aussiesunshine who advocate a nuclear armed Argentina also forget we decide to take pre-emptive action if we thought that a very belligerent government in BA was going for the bomb.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps we would take a leaf from whoever is attacking the Iranian program - assasination, sabotage and cyber attacks. We could even bomb the reactors being used, like Israel did to Iraq.
In any conflict Argentine nuclear weapons would be the first target of our military, it could even lead to us going for a first strike -for example by using a depressed trajectory style attack using a Vanguard stationed to get close to the potential target area and saturating it with warheads.
In that case the whole weapons program would have been self defeating.
His theory of South America arming with nuclear weapons and destroy the uk, would never work, so is a non starter,
Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless one has experience in these matters, it world take decades just to explain the basics to these children,
All they need to know, is that it does not work,
And the reason is simple, [MAD] we [the other nations] would all be dead by now,
The rest would be ,,,[by radiation,],, back to blog please ..
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I don't think anyone is actually discussing nuking Argentina, although they are irritating little nazis who haven't added anything positive to humanity. It's better just to wipe out their energy production facilities and then let them sit in the dark and reflect on their actions while they have some nice warm tree-bark soup.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then they'll vote another peronist into power and their economy will be sh!t again... repeat ad nauseum.
@ STRATEGICUS
Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I don,t want to be accused of racism”
Why you should be? In fact we think the same about Britain Middle East style of life.
If you eat kebabs and dress up with pyjamas your north geographic position is very relative soon or later Shaira law would be there.
Sharia Law gets 'OK' in Britain
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1687576.ece
Oh! Bloody its already there I guess.
Think about it would be a good exercise.
@53 'Oh! Bloody' hmm..
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, quoting from the Sun... why not just give a link to Page 3 and tell us what 'Linda, aged 23 from Essex' has to say on the issue?
Well done ther.e
”It's better just to wipe out their (Argentina's) energy production facilities . . . ” Greek #52
Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heyyy, hang on, Greek!
This is the continent of rivers being national borders.
Many hydroelectric schemes - providing much of the continent's energy - are multi-national enterprises.
You only have to follow the history of Itaipu (BR/PA) to see the complexities of ownership, production and usage.
The Acordo Tripartite, etc, has tied in closely the Mercosur nations, and hitting one can affect all.
(In fact there has been serious concern that if Brasil opened the Itaipu floodgates the Rio de la Plata would inundate Buenos Aires.)
Anything hitting the generation sites on the Uruguay River along the AR-BA border - especially the dams serving the Itu, Santa Catarina complex - makes war against Brasil as well as Argentina.
The joint generation and usage programmes are being expanded as we speak, along the Uruguay (AR/BR) River. Bids for build are being accepted in the next couple of weeks.
No, the in-country powerlines are more safely targetable than the multi-national power-production dams themselves.
55 GeoffWard2
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless of course the electricity has to travel over Argentina to get to Uruguay.
The Argentine bastards have continually stymied the plans of Uruguay to use the electricity from Paraguay by setting carrier prices in the stratosphere.
With neighbours like that, who needs enemies?
@56 Hmm.. smells like Neocolonianlism
Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 DanyBerger
Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go about “kebab eaters” again.
Come the revolution Comrades!
47 Ann Other
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The principle of self-determination is not as clear cut as you make out. In fact, there are legal criteria for determining which groups may legitimately claim the right to self-determination. Moreover, self-determination is just one of many principles applied to determining international borders. Under the principal of territorial integrity, which according to UN Resolution 1514 (XV) (1960) complements and constrains the right to self-determination:
“Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.” ”
The UN has also noted that:
“ any colonial situation which partially or completely destroys the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and especially with paragraph 6 of Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly [...] ”
International law does NOT recognize settlers, or invading military forces as “a separate people or peoples” who may, under certain specific circumstances, have a right to self determination.
Under international law, the current inhabitants of Gibraltar are seen as supplanting interlopers from the United Kingdom and other countries and only their interests, not their wishes (as the right to self-determination would require), need be safeguarded. This is the reason why the United Nations formally includes Gibraltar among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.
What happen Pugol-H? You didn’t place your order yet?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t worry mate, Bombay Cuisine or Orca Kebab can delivery your order just in minutes.
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43 Rockscorpion
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your mistaken. Gibraltar was never part of the UK. It is a British Overseas Territory. The name “British Overseas Territory” was introduced by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002, and replaced the name British Dependent Territory, which was introduced by the British Nationality Act 1981. Before 1981, the territories were known as Crown colonies. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_overseas_territory)
Morocco did not exist as a country until its independence from France in 1956.
Gib is an accident of history but the people who live their are happy to remain British.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain owns odd bits of Africa and sees those as completely different :).
Which is quite a feat of logic
59 Betelgeuse
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your arguments are not straightforward either. The ideas are, but how you apply them and where is not.
Who decides what is an integral part of anyone's territory? And who decides what constitutes a 'people' rather than a population?
You're going to find it harder thanyou think to convince anyone that being an island 300 miles away makes us part of Argentina, or that 9 generations of cultural change, history, and immigration from all over the world don't make us a 'people'
You keep parroting that nonsense, because it's all you've got, but it just doesn't stand up.
Neither does the idea that you can forcibly 'decolonise' a territory against their wishes. Especially if it involves imposing alien subjugation by a foreign power.
How do you see that working then? I do ask this from time to time but noone has an answer.
Monty #63, your points are right, but no less right are the points made by Betelgeuse #59, 61.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The intractabilities are faced by the UN, etc, every day.
The UN C24 has a role but it is heavily politicised and discredited .
One of the reasons for having the ICJ is to address these intractabilities,
but parties need to agree to adjudication first,
and power-politics from (especially the big beasts of the UNSC) can frustrate all situations - like Syria today.
@59
Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You claim: “International law does NOT recognize settlers, or invading military forces as “a separate people or peoples” who may, under certain specific circumstances, have a right to self determination.”
Using analogical reasoning again, if what you say is truth, then the Argentinians are completely without any legal basis for existence, and not recognised according to international law.
Do you want to tell them or shall I?
@59 Betelgeuse
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