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Visiting US congressman offers support for Falklands’ self-determination

Friday, February 24th 2012 - 07:53 UTC
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South American rhetoric on the Falklands should, “be cooled, otherwise mistakes might happen,” US member of the house of Representatives Republican Congressman F. Jim Sensenbrenner told the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly on Thursday. Read full article

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  • BritishguyfromLondon

    Guess the Argentines have lost whatever support they may have once had from the US of A! Why won't the Argentines just accept the right of the Falklanders to self-determination? I just don't understand their attitude...

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    It seems the tide has completely turned now on the debate.

    As someone who has lived in America for a long time I can honestly say this is the voice of the people and this is backed up by the many comments on different forums of American sites and news sites.

    I hope the UK and Argentina can seek friendly dialogue although obviously not on sovereignty but on trade relations and if that isn't possible then Argentina and the Falkland islanders can become more friendly as neighbors.

    This is how change is achieved not by aggression or name calling. Argentine should of learnt by now it doesn't have anything like the power it needs to overcome the British and also the British are capable of being extremely belligerent towards someone they consider an enemy.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    The Argies have to shout, howl and sell out their integrity to get any support. We can simply clear our throat and they get ignored :-)

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I hope you guys know that this isn't going to stop them whinging on and on and on about it? They're still going to re-re-re-re-re-reiterate their 10 points and they're still going to bang on about it in the UN.

    It's going to be like Nuremberg all over again.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoJo

    “They're still going to re-re-re-re-re-reiterate their 10 points”

    Indeed, starting with the conference on saturday in Ushuaia. Ah well, another bit of paper that won't get them anywhere. Broken record springs to mind!

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @5 Futile faggotry springs to mind.

    I guess they'll bring up the fact that the Channel Islands need to be returned to France while they're at it in some kind of festival of their own hypocrisy.

    I might watch it though, just for a laugh.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Maybe if they sorted themselves out and then started being nice to the islanders they might get somewhere?
    There's probably no more stubborn race on the planet than the Brits

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    LOL!

    What's the name of that guy from Argentina who keeps coming on here saying things like “everyone knows the whole world is on the side of Argentina”? Bless him.

    What's he going to say now? US support isn't important? Sesenbrenner doesn't represent the US? The US has told the Falkland Islanders this but they still really support Argentina? What will he come up with?

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    This is how change is achieved not by aggression or name calling. Argentine should of learnt by now it doesn't have anything like the power it needs to overcome the British and also the British are capable of being extremely belligerent towards someone they consider an enemy.
    But the reality is uk is FINISHED.Even Brazil has a bigger economy than uk...
    Why waste time in a country,that will disapear....Just watch they do not finish uk badly..

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    9 Malvi

    Oh Malvi, you really cheered up my morning. I am abroad at present and I got woken by a call on my mobile (5 hours time difference) from my son's school saying he is feeling sick and needs to go home. So I called my wife and she is going to collect him. She must have been in a dead spot for her mobile network when the school tried her.

    Anyway, enough of those details. Needless to say my day didn't start well but then I read your post at 9 and you've put a smile back on my face. My dull headache from being woken before 5.00am doesn't feel so bad any more.

    You're level of disillusion is admiral and highly entertaining. Don't ever give up. You bring joy to lots of us. Thanks for making us laugh.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JORGE1982

    I'm waiting for MercoPress to publish the total rejection to argentine “”intelectual“” statements from all argentine parties and several social organizations.
    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-188269-2012-02-24.html
    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-188269-2012-02-24.html

    Will MercoPress do this or will just ignores it while conveying the wrong message?

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • STRATEGICUS

    I don,t want to be accused of racism here but doesn,t there appear to be some sort of correlation between being south European,Hispanic,Latin ,probably Catholic ,and having a corrupt ,buggered up economy.

    On the other hand the north European ,protestant ethic national stereotype economies seem to have less corruption and better run economies.

    Argentina takes after its Iberian motherland despite being the 8th biggest country in the world with untold land and mineral resources.
    If it was an Anglo country it would be challenging Canada or Australia;
    instead it is persecuting a tiny group of islands with 3000 people.
    Respect for the poor people who died in the terrible train crash but with 50 year old rolling stock it appears to have been predictable.

    How Argentina can realistically get out of its incompetent ,peronist fantasy nightmare I do not know .

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    @9, who cares if Brazil has a bigger economy than the UK, 30 million isn't that much in world statistics. However, i would like to point out that POLAND, yes even Poland has a bigger and better economy than Argentina, says a lot doesn't it.

    America is now fully in the picture, Obama is on his way out. I read a poster the other day, it said: “You voted for Obama to prove your not a Racist, now vote for someone else to prove your not a stupid idiot” Sums it up in 1.

    Best thing is, this Senator knows who is, and who isn't important on the world stage, and pretty soon, when the oil starts to flow, Argentina will become even less important to anyone and everyone.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishLion

    It is a shame the way Argentina seems it can never put aside its claims on the islands or at least work towards better relations with them to share in what must be some of the worlds best opportunities for mineral wealth as things stand. But, no, she must harp on and on, being the bully next door. It amazes me how some of the bloggers here have been totally sucked in by the continued lies and generations worth of historical truth bending in the face of growing contempt by enlightened world commentators on the subject. The lost opportunities in Argentina are staggering when one considers how the Nation has been raped by corrupt officials and leaders in her young history. If they need to blame anyone, look inwards and not outwards to some small islands with a tiny population that frankly, want sod all to do with all that misery...who could blame them?

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    Argentina signed up to the UN on the self-determination question. Basic human right. One is either for it or against it. People are aligned accordingly. In the end there's nothing more to discuss. Just consequences.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Not only is Argentina not challenging Canada or Australia, it actually receives Overseas Aid from the UK, £7 Million last year alone.

    Its a fairly good indicator that if a country is in receipt of Overseas Aid it, then it isn't capable of good governance, no wonder the Falklanders turn their backs on Argentina, its just a spiteful place full of paco thieves, jealous layabouts, and corrupt political dinosaurs, and out to steal or 'share' the wealth generated by the Falklanders while unilaterally removing itself from the game, and of course the costs of exploration.

    In short, Argentina wants something for nothing, yet won't lift a finger to explore its own vast natural resources, because it sounds like hard work.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    6 GreekYoghurt

    Oh this is gift that keeps on giving, isn't it?

    The UK could ask for that bit of Northern France back.... It is called Bretagne ( Brittany ) after all........

    I wonder how far we would get with that one.....

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @12 I think I've been trying to make that point for quite a while. I cannot figure out if the main influence is the catholicism or the iberianess that makes them so rubbish.

    @15 If the UN agrees to waive the principle of self-determination at any stage then its just a charter-less void. People sitting in seats that serve no purpose, making speeches that serve no will, just utterly vacuous and spurious. That's pretty much what it is now.

    @16 £7 Million well spent I see.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stefan

    #13 - I truly hope you're right about Obama being on his way out. Gas prices here are starting to be the president's big problem! (though the mainstream media likes to ignore it). He got into office on the winds of pop culture and equality progress. He'll leave on the winds of disgrace and failure. Long live the British Falklands!

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Moaning about Gas prices won't get you much sympathy from Brits. It costs me £115 to fill up my car.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @11 JORGE1982
    “I'm waiting for MercoPress to publish the total rejection to argentine “”intelectual“” statements from all argentine parties and several social organizations.”

    So you don't want the world to know that there acually ARE intelegent Argentinas?
    You moron

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    GreekYoghurt 18.
    Very unlikely on the “waive” question. Even from a cynic's viewpoint; too many opportunities for interfering for gains and resources. Freedoms lost and free speech declined. The particular section involved has many connotations; too many to “waive” but not to prevent debate and threats to remove it. As I said, in essence, when you get to the front line, people either fight for it or are against it.
    The latter in my view are ignorant or entertain criminal thoughts; individually or as governments. But that's always a personal view, taken up or not by friend or foe.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Sensebrenner said, 'the islands had a democratic form of government and he was impresed as how issues were debated with the public'. Argentina, don't you wish you had this too? I mean, who is in favour of renaming their football league after a sunken cruiser or naming every school classroom with the names of the Argentinian fallen in 82. How democratic is this?

    Don't you wish...

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    Thanks Senator. There are some wise words around just now, hope somebody is listening.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @21 Redcoat “So you don't want the world to know that there actually ARE intelligent Argentinians?”
    Apologies for my atrocious spelling but I was laughing so much I didn’t notice it

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    1 - BritishguyfromLondon

    On the contrary, Argentina is not alone. Argentine support this in the rest of the world. Especially UN, OAS, CELAC, ALBA, UNASUR, MERCOSUR and the rest of the world with multilateral organizations. Do not forget that China, Russia, India and many major countries on five continents also support the Argentine claim.
    This Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, this alone does not represent the entire American public.
    Do not forget that the U.S. Hispanic lawmakers, who are quite numerous supporting the Argentine claim. Hilary Clinton is already talking of the Falklands in Castilian. This congressman hides the severe economic crisis that affects the United States and in England and the rest of Europe for its political corruption of their leaders.
    Why not just accept the Argentine islanders' right to self-determination? I do not understand your attitude.
    It is understandable because the Committee on Decolonization and UN resolutions 2065 (XX) UN 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 ( 38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25) all declared the existence of a sovereignty dispute and establishes which the principle of self does NOT apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands. The specificity of the conflict is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. This rules out the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the inhabitants of the islands would cause the “disruption of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of UN Charter ”.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @26 UN support your claim?? Is this the same UN that allowed the british to kick you off the islands in 1982?

    The UK doesn't engage with the C24 because it's remitless and spurious. It's not decolonised a territory in ages and is utterly without use. Their resolutions aren't GA resolutions.

    The GA resolutions you mention rarely have the UK and Falklands mentioned in them since 1982, which is when you illegally invaded the Falklands islands and ignored the UN Security Council telling you to leave.

    The UN main principle is Self Determination as enshrined in the Charter, if you don't like that, then leave the UN.

    OAS? Is that the august organisation that when you invaded and kept all the locals in a social club and sh@t in the post office (apparently Argfags don't know what a toilet is), they told the UK effectively to booger off rather than invade to get them back.

    Haha, you really are a tin-pot dictatorship with no real friends. I guess they were right when they said flies hang around turds.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    Raul (26) Of course Russia and China support the claims: neither are interested in self-determination. They don't know what that means-or care. They have other interests.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Raul - how does China support you? I have yet to see any actions that indicate China's actual support. Considering I have just come out of a class where i taught 40 chinese MBA students then i think China has more important aims than really giving support to a self-obsessed and paranoid nation who have a certified mentally ill president in charge.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    As usual MercoP missed a few lines...

    “Congressman Sensenbrenner feels that if the Governor comes to the United States that he has to make the point that he is NOT a colonial Governor”
    Penguin News asked if the Image of the Falkland Islands would be clearer if we didnt have a Governor but just a diplomat?

    “Well, he is a diplomat, was the reply. I hope he would be judged outside the Falklands not on his title but on what he does”

    Yes please don't judge HE the Governor, Mr Nigel Haywood for his colonial title but on what he does, according to their own Government site:“he is the representative of HM the Queen in the Islands”

    http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6185&source=3

    Brits, Is this nobody congressman the best you can find?

    “Congressman, your behavior is wrong on so many levels, I am completely horrified”

    http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6185&source=3

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    What is the best you find Marcos? A dying South American dictator and a wife beating actor? Wasn't that long ago you were getting verbal support from the Syrian regime. I see you have an ethical approach to getting verbal support :-)

    I guess this senator is a nobody who will report back to Anadarko and the company pals in the Pentagon. Hmmmm just thinking about that FPSO and some juicy dividends ££££££££££££££££££

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Gosh Marcos is scraping the barrel. Why doesn't he just get a comment from Ayatollah Khomeini saying 'Las Malvinas Argentinas' or post another comment presumably that he wrote from another comments board.

    The finances of the FIs seem quite rosy, with a nice little income over 3'000 people. The finances of Argentina are totally focked, and dropping quicker that a Catholic priest's zip.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    31 Mr Beef
    That nobody is not a US Senator.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    30. When was the last time ANY US Congressman has something positive to say about Argentina? All I have heard lately from the US ( State, Senate, Congress and Prez) is Argentina is a lying deadbeat who should pay their bills. Are you hearing something I am not?

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    There you go, Fred from DC @34 got it right “US Congressman”

    “Congress Approval Rating Drops To All-Time Low”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/congress-approval-rating-jokes_n_1035478.html

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @35 I'm currently not understanding the link between anything Marcos just posted. It seems to be just blunderbussed thoughts he is having, none of which have any apparently connection.

    Is he having a stroke?

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    He thinks because Congress has a low approval rating no one listens to them, let's see Arg is less than 10 days away from losing USA trade preferences (being driven by the US Congress) and a few months away from possibly having their BCRA Reserves impounded by the US Supreme Court (again by the Treas & Senate) . Wait...was someone of influence saying something positive about CFK or Argentina...nope my mistake

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I thought the FCK government was trying to spend those reserves and trying to find a way to legally use them? Does Argentina have a pot left to pyss in?

    Kind of makes sense why they'd be so desperate for other people's things, they're utterly incapable of managing their own economy.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    27 GreekYoghurt

    The fundamental principle of the United Nations is self-determination enshrined in the Charter, if you do not like that, then leave the UN.

    These totally wrong. Lee resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. Also read the resolutions made ​​every year the Committee of the UN decolonization. Of the 16 cases of colonialism and imperialism 10 correspond to the UK.
    The facts abound ....

    28 Room101

    Of course they have other interests. This does not diminish the legitimacy of the Argentine claims. China has suffered from colonialism and imperialism English recently.
    Russia has always supported the Argentine claim, beyond that in its history has a history of colonialism. Both countries are not presently on the committee reports colonialists UN decolonization. Of the 16 cases of colonialism 10 correspond to the UK. The evidence speaks for itself.

    Beef 29
    China has more important goals than it actually supports a nation's self-obsessed and paranoid president who has a certificate mentally responsible

    You buy yellow tabloid lies. Leave CNN, BBC and liberal newspapers. China respects much to Cristina Kirchner for their ideological coherence, unity of conception and action. Our president is a reference addition and beloved throughout Latin America. The Argentine claim has nothing paranoid. China suffered the same with Hong Kong and Taiwan. English colonialism and imperialism.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Raul - what ideological cohearence? Is Argentina about to enforce a one child policy, lock up those who want free speach, perform forced abortions etc.

    China certainly is a fan of UK education though. But they can afford to pay for it which is more than can be said about Argentina. You lot wouldn't be even allowed to pay for it as it would involve taking your money out of the country.

    I suppose China is going to ban its fishing fleet from FI waters is it?

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @Raul. Having just read the bilge you typed I'm not sure you actually get the point, which is that Argentina uses the UN when it suits Argentina. You clearly ignored Security Council Resolution 502 and the consequences are that no one cares one hoot what you think in the UN because when the UN actually asks you to do something, you do not.

    “Of the 16 cases of colonialism 10 correspond to the UK.” ...hmmm.. none of them relate to Spain, why is this?

    Anyways, it's all bilge...

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    On the contrary, Argentina is not alone. Argentine support this in the rest of the world. Especially UN, OAS, CELAC, ALBA, UNASUR, MERCOSUR

    What a farce,
    The UN does not support Argentina, and the rest are irrelevant,
    They are not yours and never will be
    Argentina is either a dictatorship or a totalise state,
    Either way, no sane country would hand over a free democracy to a dictatorship,
    You know it, I know it, and every bloggers on here knows it .

    .

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    20 Idlehands..... Yes, we Brits can afford it though can’t we, even the poorest Brits are better off than the wealthy pricks we call Argentinians.

    16 Wireless ---- I vote to stop all aid to Argentina let the buggers starve that will fuck em up.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marcos - whether this guy is a congressman or a senator is largely irrelevant. He came to the Falklands because he was doing some research into a specific kind of penguin: a Rockhopper to be precise.

    You insignificants lose again :-)

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    Raul.
    Argentina is not supported on this issue by the (ex colonies) US, and many others. As you know. On the contrary, support is growing for the Islanders.
    As for ex-colonial arguments such as China and Britain (Not just “English” as you say) that is history, gone, disappeared. It has no relevance to the the article signed for in the UN. You are confused by the terms “soveriegnty” and “self-determination”. Self-determination automatically aquires its own “sovereignty”. The spirit of the wording is flexible; deliberately so.
    Not good examples of yours: Russia overthrew the Czar; that it became communist and then something else is beside the point. Hong Kong and the New Territories reverted to China, as per the agreement.
    I know- I was there, and in some other places, during colonial days.
    The articles you mention are not applicable. The UN would insist and evoke these otherwise. Things can be drummed up by memberst because they don't agree with the UN but the UN will then look at the relevant articles. The articles you quote cannot discount the Islanders as populace, nor their rights, as that is encompassed in a different and relevant wording; precisely in order to protect such people from unwarranted sovereignty claims. Getting hung up on semantics, or attempting to do so, is a dictator's ploy. If you think that Russia and China appear to be supporting Argentina from a moral viewpoint, ask yourself, “Why?”

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @26 Raul
    “Hilary Clinton is already talking of the Falklands in Castilian” (interpreted as calling them Malvinas)
    No doubt at the time she was focused on the Latino vote, but has since had to back track, having been told the Brits now think of her as slime.
    So who outside of South America or is not a pariah state is actively supporting your claim? Where is the evidence of China or Russia supporting your claim? You are so delusional you’re just clutching at straws
    “Why not just accept the Argentine islanders' right to self-determination? I do not understand your attitude”.
    You don't understand because you have been brainwashed from birth, They not Argentinian !!!!! and we DO accept their right to self-determination and they want to remain British

    @30 Marcos Alejandro
    “Congressman Sensenbrenner feels that if the Governor comes to the United States that he has to make the point that he is NOT a colonial Governor”
    Yes it’s amazing how many Americans seem to have a problem with this, let alone Argentinians, the fact that all countries that have The Queen as their head of state has a Royal Governor e.g. Australia, Canada New Zealand, The Bahamas, Antigua, etc. (15 in total)

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    44 Mr Beef, about time that you recognize that you were wrong as usual.
    Oh by the way, how's your Tata car doing? :-))

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080152/Jeremy-Clarkson-accused-racist-India-toilet-jibes-Top-Gear-Christmas-Special.html

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    30 Marcos Alejandro
    ”Yes please don't judge HE the Governor, Mr Nigel Haywood for his colonial title but on what he does, according to their own Government site:“he is the representative of HM the Queen in the Islands”
    So because of your 47 post I will Repeat 46:
    All countries that have The Queen as their head of state has a Royal Governor e.g. Australia, Canada New Zealand, The Bahamas, Antigua, etc. (15 in total)
    @47 Marcos Alejandro it is you that is wrong as usual

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @39 See whether you can understand. NO C24 draft requires the General Assembly to say anything. NO GA resolution is binding. Argentina is full of pricks. Get it? The UK is capable of killing every one of your 40 million. You choose. Back off and, possibly, live. Keep it up and die.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Wrong about what Marcos. I don't own any shares in Tata so don't really have an opinion. XJ is certainly on the 12/13 shopping list though :-)

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    now the truth is coming out, even the UN is listining to the islanders, and the truth is, CFK her suport is crumbling as more and more countries are seeing the lies, and the islanders are getting more and more suports,, she will climbe down or she will be humiliatingly forced to do so .

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    UN and all nations claim for liberty. For devoluption to true owners. Falklands is one cause of South America determination. Have more british citizens in continental Argentina than in Falklands.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    @47 - Marcos, you post the most odd and unrelated stories, its often hard to even get from the topic in hand to your logic with your latest article.

    Truly bizarre.

    Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    The South American nations MUST unite as one country and then go
    nuclear and then we shall see what country has the balls to mess with them. A strong economy and a strong military with nukes to back them up and you have one mother f****** poweful nation.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    50 Beef, I hope they learn how to make a good car, nice looking vehicles however I still remember the million and one ways that an X-type could fall apart. Engines seized, interiors collapsed, transmissions exploded.

    48 Redcoat, If you had a hard time to explain to that “invited” congressman that Nigel H. is not a colonial Governor of a British colony in South America good luck explaining that to the rest of the world.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @ 55
    Do you think the rest of the world cares what a minor american politician is doing in the islands? really! with everything else that is going on at the moment, Man, I do not like to swear, but you realy do need a FUCKING reality check! You realy think this stupid arguement between us compares to some of the SHIT that is going on in the world at the moment. The rest of the world does not give a TINKERS FUCK about this????????????????????????

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Betelgeuse

    Contributors should really cut their inflammatory hyperbole and get their facts straight.

    Under the principal of territorial integrity, which according to UN Resolution 1514 (XV) (1960) complements and constrains the right to self-determination:
    “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.” ”

    The UN has also noted that:

    “ any colonial situation which partially or completely destroys the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and especially with paragraph 6 of Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly [...] ”

    On this basis, the current inhabitants of the Falklands are seen as mere settlers from the United Kingdom and other countries and only their interests, not their wishes (as the right to self-determination would involve), need be safeguarded.

    This is the reason why the United Nations formally includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tigre

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  • Betelgeuse

    It appears that some contributors have misunderstood the meaning of the principle of self determination. In fact, there are legal criteria for determining which groups may legitimately claim the right to self-determination. Moreover, self-determination is just one of many principles applied to determining international borders.

    International law does NOT recognize settlers, or invading military forces as “a separate people or peoples” who may, under certain specific circumstances, have a right to self determination.

    Under international law, the current inhabitants of the Falklands are seen as supplanting interlopers from the United Kingdom and other countries and only their interests, not their wishes (as the right to self-determination would involve), need be safeguarded. This is the reason, why the United Nations formally includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.

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  • reality check

    @59
    You really are pulling out the stops are'nt you. Okay, ”Self detemination no longer means, self determination). Ammendment to Article 1 of the United Nataions Charter, remove wording “determination” and insert, “Imposition.” There, thats much better isn' t it. Sounds much nicer too. Oh isn't it lovely to be able too solve all our problems so easy. Tusk! tusk! if only we knew this before, would have saved such a nasty war.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @54 'The South American nations MUST unite as one country' Don't hold your breath, Sport.
    How about your own disfunctional government has a go at deciding which side is up.....

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    It appears that Betelgeuse has misunderstood the meaning of the principle of self determination ... the UN does not qualify the right in any way, shape or form.

    International law my ar*e !

    But you keep kidding yourself :-)

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    “International law does NOT recognize settlers, or invading military forces as “a separate people or peoples” who may, under certain specific circumstances, have a right to self determination.”

    Hooray, we don't recognise the Argfags!! Argfags have no right to self-determination!!!

    @54 The South American nations MUST unite [UNDER ARGENTINA?] as one country [UNDER PERONISM, NO DOUBT]and then go
    nuclear and then we shall see what country has the balls to mess with them. A strong economy and a strong military with nukes to back them up and you have one mother f****** poweful nation. >> Are you suggesting that Argentina until the whole of south america under some kind of peronish military junta? hahaha, typical argfags. This dream is never far from their thoughts.

    To be fair, I've not been registering Argfags for a while now.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    1970 - October 24th, UN Resolution 2625 (XXV) states;

    ” ... By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter....

    Every State has the duty to promote, through joint and separate action, realization of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, (through the)

    establishment of a sovereign and independent State,

    free association, or

    integration with an independent State, or

    the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people...

    Every State has the duty to refrain from any forcible action which deprives peoples referred to above in the elaboration of the present principle of their right to self-determination and freedom and independence. In their actions against, and resistance to, such forcible action in pursuit of the exercise of their right to self-determination, such peoples are entitled to seek and to receive support in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter...

    The territory of a colony or other Non-Self-Governing Territory has, under the Charter, a status separate and distinct from the territory of the State administering it; and such separate and distinct status under the Charter shall exist until the people of the colony or Non-Self-Governing Territory have exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with the Charter, and particularly its purposes and principles...”

    Love that last paragraph :-)

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  • Frank

    @54... your spell checker is broken.... ' and you have one mother f****** poweful nation.' should read ' and you have another fucked up nation'......

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @64 ”The territory of a colony or other Non-Self-Governing Territory has, under the Charter, a status separate and distinct from the territory of the State administering it; and such separate and distinct status under the Charter shall exist until the people of the colony or Non-Self-Governing Territory have exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with the Charter, and particularly its purposes and principles...”

    So basically since the FIslands are registered in the UN as an NSGT then the Argies are focked.

    Again, they turn one way and find the way blocked.

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  • Alexei

    The reason most Argentinians find it difficult to understand the fact that the Falkland Islands do not belong to them: Brainwashing children in Argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJeM6ifRbA

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @55 Marcos Alejandro
    “48 Redcoat, If you had a hard time to explain to that “invited” congressman that Nigel H. is not a colonial Governor of a British colony in South America good luck explaining that to the rest of the world.”

    They are, like you subjected to misleading information from birth, but UNLIKE you, it is possible to reason with most of them and the rest of the world isn't even dispassionate about your tantrums they have better things to worry about.

    54 aussie sunshine
    “The South American nations MUST unite as one country and then go
    nuclear and then we shall see what country has the balls to mess with them. A strong economy and a strong military with nukes to back them up and you have one mother f****** powerful nation”.

    I don’t believe you are an Australian, at the most an unbalanced Latino swatting in Australia, but probably just a troll, Australians wouldn’t write such bollocks.

    57 Betelgeuse
    “This is the reason why the United Nations formally includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.”

    No they don’t and you are just going cross-eyed, trying to skew words to suit your deranged thinking

    59 Betelgeuse
    “Under international law, the current inhabitants of the Falklands are seen as supplanting interlopers from the United Kingdom and other countries and only their interests, not their wishes (as the right to self-determination would involve), need be safeguarded. This is the reason, why the United Nations formally includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.”

    This might come as surprise to you, but repeating yourself over and over and over again doesn’t change anything

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  • Conqueror

    @52 Erm, no. As witness the total silence that greeted Tin Man's presentation. Not a single “country” jumped up to support him.
    @54 Would just like to know if this is the official Australian position or just that of a single (possibly argie) convict?
    @56 You might try looking up this man's history and possibly revise your use of the phrase “minor american politician”.
    @57 I've told you before. Irrelevant!
    @59 “International law does NOT recognize settlers, or invading military forces as “a separate people or peoples” who may, under certain specific circumstances, have a right to self determination.” That takes care of argies then!
    @64 I don't usually accept UNGA resolutions for reasons that I have previously stated. However, let's see the argfags weasel their way out of that one!

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  • zethe

    “They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. ”

    Sorry, but the islanders HAVE self-determination.

    If Argentina wishes to take this away, you have the ICJ. Argentina should take us, it would be funny to watch Argentina get wrecked in court in front on the entire world.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    70 zethe (#)----If Argentina wishes to take this away, you have the ICJ. Argentina should take us, it would be funny to watch Argentina get wrecked in court in front on the entire world------ That's why they will never pursue the claim in that court they know full well that they do not have an legal claim on those Islands and will get trashed in the court for the whole World to see. That's why they always resort to these underhand tactics that we are seeing. However these underhand tactics are now beginning to bore the pants of the rest of the world, it’s a little bit like crying wolf all the time, people begin to say, Oh for God’s sake not this again.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    I find Mr. Think rather absent from this thread....

    If i recall. He was under the impression that the US, By the fact that used the term De-facto supported Argentina in this.

    How we have a US congressman supporting us.

    Where oh where is Think?

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    45 Room101
    As you know. Instead, support is growing for the islanders.

    Why lie? Everyone knows that support for Argentina is growing. The islanders are British ones in South America. Remember MERCOSUR resolution., Plus global organizations like the UN, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR. MERCOSUR and other multilateral organizations require compliance of the Resolutions of the Committee on Decolonization United Nations and General Assembly resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49) , 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.

    You are confused by “soveriegnty” and “self determination”. Self-determination automatically becomes one's “sovereignty.” The spirit of the wording is flexible, deliberately.

    You are confused, The decolonization committee resolutions of United Nations and the General Assembly clearly expressed that it is a sovereignty dispute.
    No self-determination. Why believe that there are UN resolutions?
    Remember The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility is to apply the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the inhabitants of the islands would cause the “disruption of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”

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  • GreekYoghurt

    My Copypasta-o-meter just jumped off the table and burst into flames. This Raul chap is now copy-and-pasting not-facts that he's spammed into different threads.

    I read the first part where he talked about non-binding GA Resolutions but he didn't say why Argentina never complied with Security Council Resolution 502, which is binding?

    So Raul, why does Argentina pick and choose when to respond to the UN? Do you not comply with binding resolutions for a reason? Please tell us, because we're all very interested to know.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Self determination like the Chagossians? British hypocrisy at its BEST.
    British in Malvinas(Argentinas) can have their self determination...in Britain!

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    The chaogoddisns got screwed over because they were black it was racism pure and simpe and large parts of the Uk population agree with that point.
    still doesn't give you any right over the islands

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    75 Marcos Alejandro
    Are you a 3 year old, that just cuts and pasts this stuff at school, while still undergoing indoctrination?

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    GreekYoghurt:

    I've yet to see him try explain how in 1833 we violated a law(territorial integrity) about a full century before the law was in existence.

    He'll no doubt just paste some other crap he's copied elsewhere.

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @73 Why do you bother? Every word you have posted adds up to utter garbage. Can you not read? Every single thing has been dealt with and disposed of in past comments. By continuing to reiterate the same things you merely confirm that you are either a moron, a student or a government agent.

    @75 No such things as Chagossians. Story ENDS!

    @76 Still no Chagossians. Get the idea? They don't exist. They have never existed! “Large parts of the UK population” And your credible source is?

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    The chaogoddisns got screwed over because they were black it was racism pure and simpe and large parts of the Uk population agree with that point.
    still doesn't give you any right over the islands
    Really martin?? I am glad that uk spend money on that adventure.Money that will NEVER,EVER will recover......
    MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @80 Malvinero1
    “The chaogoddisns (indigenous inhabitants of the Chagos Islands)got screwed over because they were black it was racism pure and simpe and large parts of the Uk population agree with that point”

    Good God you can talk! Yes a few hundred were taken off Diego Garcia (not the thousands that were exterminated in Argentina) in order to build a top secret US air base there, but not because they were Black, it’s because it is British and in the perfect place for them. They were compensated and will be allow back if the situation allows it.

    “I am glad that uk spend money on that adventure. Money that will NEVER,EVER will recover......”

    We can always earn more, unlike Argentina with its zero credit rating, meaning it will never get itself off the floor

    BRITISH FALKLANDS

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    If you listen and follow argentine logic,
    Everyone that came after 1833 should not be here, and should belong to someone else,
    And those who gained independence after 1807-1833 have a fundamental right to claim land or territories from former masters [empires]

    Now I don’t fully understand their logic, but if im right, then the whole world today would essentially come back under someone’s empire and we all start again,
    As there logic implies that only Argentina has rights to either choose or picks, the rest of us, [well we just don’t really exist]
    Unless Argentina says so,
    [Does that make sense to anyone][no][I thought not ?? ]
    .

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tommy

    80 Malvinero1

    As an American I find your comments offensive, our country has been Argentina closest friend but while we don't want to take sides in the Falklands dispute, Argentina case for the Falklands is not just morally indefensible it is legally indefensible. You have no case.

    You all come across as rabbit nationalists. It's reminiscent of 1930's Germany. Having been to Argentina, I know the economy is very similar, as are the politics, nationalism joined at the hip with socialist and corporatism. That my friend is the original definition of fascism.

    It's a frightening place where even children are brainwashed into believing the Falklands are part of Argentina, yet it is an officially documented fact that the Falklands have never been under Argentine sovereignty.

    I am a friend of the Falklands, I write to my representatives on the matter regularly. You wont find support from America. Britain is our most stanchest ally. Some of you need to get yourselves out of this nationalism garbage, it dangerous to everyone. Look where it took Italy and Germany, or even Spain and Portugal. Guys you need to learn from history. Nothing is gained by intimidation, threats and militarisation.

    Read this -

    http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/

    your friend,

    Tommy

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    The KKK will always support the UK.

    ”In 2005, Australia put in place a National Plan of Action against illegal fishing (pdf). Rear Admiral Tim Barrett, Commander of Border Protection says, “In 2006/07 specific funding was given to Customs and Border Protection and AFMA to deter illegal foreign fishing in northern waters.” The impetus for funding was propelled out of concern for protection of our own fish stocks, but also by a UN International Plan of Action, signed by 110 nations in 2001.

    Between July 2007 and July 2008, 186 boats were apprehended, 141 of these were Indonesian-owned boats. The entire crews were arrested and transferred to immigration detention centres, their boats towed to the nearest port - most often Darwin - and burnt.”

    www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    83 Tommy
    Words of wisdom,
    Thanks-.
    Please totally ignore [80]=[84]
    Totally brainwashed and anti British, and American,
    They have no idea what friendship and loyalty is,
    As for rabbits, our women refer to them as [rampant] ?
    .

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    @84 That sounds like a threat. Bring it on bravos. You don't remember what happened last time your pathetic little armada tried aggression?

    Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Why are the Argentinians still talking? Under there own logic the whole of Argentina shouldn't exist and should be given back to the peoples who owned it before 1833 apparently.

    Just let them stew in their own hypocrisy. End of story.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    As an American I find your comments offensive, our country has been Argentina closest friend but while we don't want to take sides in the Falklands dispute, Argentina case for the Falklands is not just morally indefensible it is legally indefensible. You have no case.

    Really Tommy? Did you read the history of MAlvinas? Did you know that Argentina protested many times since 1833?And uk ousted the Argentinians living there,after a treaty of Commerce and Frienship signed by uk with Argentina? Did you know the Monroe doctrine was in place in 1823? The brit imperialist did it in 1833.Did you know that Argentina invited 6 times uk to settle the matter in an arbitration court???
    Shame on you Tommy.
    US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head

    The state department thinks otherwise about Malvinas.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-interest-is-a-stable-argentina-warns-falklands-task-force-head
    In which way my comment “offended” you or the USA? I know USA very well.I am a graduate from US university.I love USa,specially when fougth for freedom....agains the brit invaders..Did you know the brits burned the Capitol in Washington??

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  • Frank

    @88 a pity they didn't teach you how to spell

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  • Anti-Fascist

    88 Malvinero1

    Unfortunately there are a number of things Argentina will never have in common with America, kin, language, a common heritage, a common legal system, a common language, a common defence pack, a seat on the US National Security council and millions of Anglophile friends.

    Yes, there are a few hot head nationalists, to share your love of history and your hatred of anything British with Malvinero but they all share the same IQ as you... about 12 and no ones interested in them.

    1776 didn't happen yesterday, neither did 1823. No matter how fanatical you are in your nationalism you can't travel back in time to past battles. Time moves on, even if the average nationalist is stuck somewhere in the stone age, chipping away at the rocks with his mallet!

    It's a shame Malvinero, that all you do on here is post insults and hate monger.

    It is a shame because the British helped built Argentina, the British helped settle Argentina and the British helped free Argentina. But a country, that should be one of your closest partner has now been turned into your constant enemy. It's sad. Very sad. That Argentines are taught to hate the British, hate the Falklands, call the people who live there pirates and spend half of their lives in a constant state of angst and semi depression contemplating taking the Falkland Islands over by threats, insults, economic terrorism and military posturing.

    This is not the actions of a free trade loving, G20 nation. It's the attitude of a dysfunctional rouge nation.

    Britain has a bond with America and the rest of the English speaking world, Argentina will never have we are kin and even if we may fall our, we make up because we're a family. Think of it the same way you view Latin America.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CameronHighlander

    88 Malvinero1

    Here is a history lesson for you lad, my old regiment fought in the war of 1812-1815 it was Britain's last war with America, they invaded Canada in an attempt to add Canada to the American Empire and we whipped their asses.

    Canada is celebrating the centenary of Britain's victory over the American's in the Battle of the Great Lakes this year and there will be some major celebrations taking place across Canada. She is a free nation today thanks to that war and our victory.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/11/ottawa-proposes-new-national-monument-to-mark-1812-bicentennial/

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/11/ottawa-proposes-new-national-monument-to-mark-1812-bicentennial/

    But since 1815 Britain and America have been allies. Still today most American's share ancestry from the British Isles. They love our country and they love our Queen, even though she isn't their own any more.

    Malvinero hopefully one day you will grow up and quit hating people and your country will grow up too.

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  • Malvinero1

    But since 1815 Britain and America have been allies. Still today most American's share ancestry from the British Isles. They love our country and they love our Queen, even though she isn't their own any more.

    Malvinero hopefully one day you will grow up and quit hating people and your country will grow up too.
    Really? It will be easier,for uk to GROW UP and realize that IMperilism IS dead.Anyway,like I have said before,uk will suffer, very much.It is written in the walls....How long Do you think you can go bullying peoples and countries? Did you found a lot of WMD in Irak? The mind behind that invasion and obliteration was brits blair...He should be shot for that...Replacing a secular guy like sadamm for a orthodox regime...Only God knows what is the future for Irak....I hope will not be a religious nut...

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CameronHighlander

    92 Malvinero1

    British imperialism is long dead.

    Today's Imperial power is America and has been since 1945. They are the worlds single most powerful nation. They have influence in almost every nation on Earth and military bases in over 190 countries and territories.

    Does that sound like Imperialism to you? It should because it is. Your own military junta implemented a CIA inspired program during the 1970's called Operation Condor aimed at eliminating the political left. Tens of thousands were murdered on the orders of America.

    Your friends the American's also invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. That wasn't the British leading those invasions. It was the Americans. We took part and I like most of my fellow countrymen don't believe we should have.

    Your country Argentina also sent forces to Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Imperialism is immoral, whether it is practiced by America or any other nation but it hasn't gone away in the world. The European Empires were replaced by an American one. France has an Empire of sorts. Britain is just a member of a Commonwealth of equal states.

    The British Empire went a while ago. It done goo and bad. Malverino we don a lot of good things for the world, not just bad. Like all imperial powers France, Spain, China, America, etc you will find the good with the bad, some worse than others. For the average Iraqi, the word America isn't something that brings a smile to their face. Just as for the average Falkland Islander, the word Argentine doesn't.

    Argentina wants to conquer my homeland and occupy us. That is Imperialism.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    British Politician ex MP, writer, journalist and broadcaster supports Argentina sovereignty rights over the Islands.

    Seem that still there is hope in Britain and some educated and intelligent people has still a say, unfortunately they are few due to lunatics, despotic imperialist Camerum style politician have took over Britain.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=nRgRh6qjSs8

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Look, it's this simple...

    As a British person, would you fight to protect the USA if it was in a tight squeeze - Of course you would, because they have the same values we have.
    As a British person, would you fight to protect Argentina if it was in a tight squeeze - Very very no.

    That's basically what this is all about.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    The choggisians were never compenstated and what happened was a disgrace no excuses.


    We spend less than 0.3% of the uk defence budget on the islands would actually make more sense to base more Jets there
    Big empty land and sea perfect place for tearing around the sky in jet planes.
    It's tough terrain and Onion range is perfect for field firing.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @94 No one listens to 'talk sport' and certainly not at 10pm on a Friday. And why would anyone listen to pseudo-political chat on a sports news radio show?

    Low quality link.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Fascist

    94 DanyBerger

    His name is George Galloway he is leader of a fringe political party made up of Islamic Extremists and is a publicity seeker supporting any cause that is against his country. Enough said?

    He was the first into Iraq in 2002/3 to give support to Saddam Hussein.

    However, he has been accused by many in the Middle East as a trouble maker working for MI6. Enough said?

    99.9999% of the British public consider him to be a nut case. He would be at home in the CKF government. Do you want him?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    88 Malvinero1
    “when fougth for freedom....agains the brit invaders..Did you know the brits burned the Capitol in Washington??”

    You do like to rake up the past don’t you (1814), is it because you have no future??
    Yes we burnt it down because the American’s burnt York down (now Toronto) but not during their war of indendence (1776 -1983)
    Now give back the 40 Billion you owe America because you DO have it, it’s in Kirchner personal account

    @83 Tommy A very good posted article

    @ 96 Martin Woodhead
    “The choggisians were never compenstated and what happened was a disgrace no excuses”

    They were sent to Mauritius and the government there was given the money to house them and feed them, until they integrated into their society. In a perfect world these things wouldn’t happen but it’s a hard world, where tuff decisions have to be made.
    And bleaters and dreamers like you only give ammunition to those that don’t want a perfect world

    “Big empty land and sea perfect place for tearing around the sky in jet planes.
    It's tough terrain and Onion range is perfect for field firing”

    You’re not another hateful SNP supporter are you?

    @94 DanyBerger
    “Seem that still there is hope in Britain and some educated and intelligent people has still a say, unfortunately they are few due to lunatics, despotic imperialist Camerum style politician have took over Britain”

    Well we despotic imperialist lunatics can spell the name of our prime minister correctly ’Cameron’ But we are only despotic imperialist lunatics in your frustrated mind, to normal people we just don’t give in to bullies like you.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    94
    http://youtu.be/I1NIuCt72bU

    This is Gorgeous George pretending to be a pet cat. At least, I assume he was pretending. What was that you were saying about lunatics?

    One thing about George (when he's not licking things) is that he always stands up for reason and tells the absolute truth.

    http://youtu.be/I1NIuCt72bU

    Oh yeah and he never called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Fascist

    100 Be serious

    lol thanks for posting.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tigre

    I live in the area, we are almost 80000 among children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of Italian, some pure, others mixed with Portuguese and Spanish .. to-morrow we raise the flag of Italy .. ---- ask the self-determination and Creoles (gaucho) are indigenous to Spanish, ie that carries blood from the first owner of the land, the truth is a very cumplicado,, look at the two position and none is 100 percent right, ,

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Apparently the British government has prepared a mini force to send to the Falklands, if things get any worse,
    Apparently the DRAGON has arrived at Portsmouth over the weekend, thus making [4] type 45s ready for service,
    Apparently the new queen Elizabeth is ahead of schedule,
    Apparently the world is waking up, and realising that the loonies and nutters have been let loose while they have been asleep,
    The problem now is,, will the world put these nutters in their place, or just ignore them all, and go back to sleep,
    [says a UN report] .??
    Justa thought lol.
    .

    .

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tigre

    hopefully one day will definitely arrange peace between the two countries, that new bullet bullet old kill, destroy families, and no one knows the nuts who will govern us in 10 or 20 years, I did not put my hands fires in their future kings and politicians and ours, as I said hopefully to be fixed permanently

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @102 tigre
    “live in the area, we are almost 80000 among children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of Italian, some pure, others mixed with Portuguese and Spanish .. to-morrow we raise the flag of Italy .. ---- ask the self-determination ”

    This I would like to see, Italy was our ally in the 1779-83 war with the Spanish and French, during which the Italians(from Genoa) held Gibraltar for 4 year !!! against all odds and they are there still to this day, making up about 95% of the population, but now proud to be British

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tigre

    ja ja ja not a bad idea, but ... no luck friend, I hope our politicians to be fixed in peace, and to visit the islands as you my city (I like to travel and see other places)

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    It is still interesting to note, that the UK are preparing for two adventures at once,
    We may have fewer at the moment, but we can still pull it out of the hat when needed.

    But we have to give the Argies some credit, they sure do talk a lot, but do, not a lot .

    peace the sound of silence ?

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tigre

    save me, I'm from Buenos Aires,,,, I am bonarense

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Rothschild

    “Well we despotic imperialist lunatics can spell the name of our prime minister correctly ’Cameron’ But we are only despotic imperialist lunatics in your frustrated mind, to normal people we just don’t give in to bullies like you.”

    Nope mate is Camerum because seems the PM of Zimbabwe

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @109 DanyBerger

    “Nope mate is Camerum because seems the PM of Zimbabwe”

    Found something to cover your spelling mistake, have we, but people that listen to Galloway are either illiterate, stupid or bitter, which are you? don't tell me, let me guess, you can't construct a simple sentence, you're illiterate, you have addressed me as Rothschild, you're stupid, you support Argentina and they are losers, you're bitter, so it's all three then.

    Stick to tossing yourself off, but you’re probably not very good at that either.


    106 tigre “I like to travel and see other places” rather than being in prison you mean?

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Redcoat

    1-You just not only lack of imagination but also of an indubitable ignorance about foreigner languages.
    “Rothschild” means red coat or red shield in deutsche Sprache oh sorry I forgot you are a monolingual subject, I mean German language.

    2-For someone that is not English mother tongue (me), as you seem to be, (see my doubt here please) and that can listen and understand the accent of someone like George Galloway, that may be the average Englishman from south England would find very hard to understand, I guess its no so bad for being illiterate as you say. What do you think?

    3-Again saying that someone is illiterate because doesn’t write “your language” (I’m still figuring out what is yours) as you expect is “the last refuge of the incompetent” (je cite Issac Asimov englanner).

    4- Reading again your post I can figure out now that your English may be is from the countryside may be north England or Scotland perhaps? Am I right?

    Now get a ticket and go to Posh England so you can update your language because sucks for someone who is claiming to be an erudite on that language.

    Yours sincerely
    Dan

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @111 I think you'd find red shield in german is eine roten schild, if A-levels serve me well. So you're wrong.

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @111 DanyBerger – Did I wake you up?
    “You just not only lack of imagination but also of an indubitable ignorance about foreigner languages.“Rothschild” means red coat or red shield in deutsche Sprache oh sorry I forgot you are a monolingual subject, I mean German language”

    No I can’t find much of a connection between redcoat and Rothschild either, but shouldn’t it be rotmentel? However having not found the need to speak German I can’t say for sure.

    “For someone that is not English mother tongue (me), as you seem to be, (see my doubt here please) and that can listen and understand the accent of someone like George Galloway, that may be the average Englishman from south England would find very hard to understand, I guess its no so bad for being illiterate as you say. What do you think?

    I can understand what Galloway is saying OK, I’ve worked with people with a much stronger Glaswegian ascent than his, so his is easy, I just think the guy is blinkered and biased.
    I’ll probably regret this but, OK you not illiterate, however I’ve been dealing some difficult Argentinians on this site, so I’m a little trigger happy .

    “Again saying that someone is illiterate because doesn’t write “your language” (I’m still figuring out what is yours) as you expect is “the last refuge of the incompetent” (je cite Issac Asimov englanner)”.

    I can only base my judgement on what you have written and as I ALWAYS make allowances for those who do not normally write English, “Nope mate is Camerum because seems the PM of Zimbabwe” still doesn’t make much sense.
    BTW. Isaac Asimov was an American fiction writer so I wouldn’t rely on his definition of competence.

    “Reading again your post I can figure out now that your English may be is from the countryside may be north England or Scotland perhaps? Am I right”

    No you are wrong, I’m neither a Scot, or from the countryside or the north of England.

    “Now get a ticket and go to Posh England so you can update your language because sucks for someon

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @GreekYoghurt
    1-Rothschild is a German surname made up from 2 words rot (old German roth) and schild meaning red shield or coat) sign using in houses.

    The joke is that this is the surname of your most famous banker in Britain who actually is sucking your blood just in this moment.

    Now look for “Mayer Amschel Rothschild” history on google and may be your little head will understand why I didn’t like to miss this laugh opportunity.

    2- Just in case you didn’t get the “Camerum” stuff, Camerum (spanish pronunciation) is a poor African country (Cameroon or République du Cameroun) and Cameron is the surname of your PM that is driving UK to African standard of living.

    Now can you understand the joke? Well next time I will use Cameroon so you can laugh like I do.

    It is getting too much complex for you? or do you need any other explanation Islander?

    If you do, please don’t hesitate to contact me again.

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @111 DanyBerger - cont: of 113 Redcoat

    “Now get a ticket and go to Posh England so you can update your language because sucks for someone who is claiming to be an erudite on that language”.

    Don't know where you think Posh England is, but I don’t have travel anywhere to be in it and where have you read, that I’m claiming to be erudite in English? Nowhere, but if your English was better, you would know, I can commutate well enough.

    @114 DanyBerger – And they say Germans are arrogant and have no sense of humour, but judging by you, they're right.
    So you’re another German Argentinian anti-Jew conspiracy theorist then. Yes I already know how they are supposed to be controlling the world, but the factual trail always gets far too thin to be believed, unless, of course you are a national socialist.
    But don’t you worry about the UK economy, it’s better than yours, however I would worry about Germany’s and Argentina economy, if I were you.
    Mixing Camerum or Cameroon with Cameron is ONLY funny to someone who is really into tenuous links, like Rothschild ruling the world

    I'm sorry if this is all too much complex for you to understand as your English isn’t as good as you think it is.

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @RedCoat,

    1-Now you tell me please, as you are the expert on English language...

    The following sentence that you have written “see below” do you think it is correct?

    “I don’t have travel anywhere to be in”??? just wonder because I’m confused now.

    2- by the way Isaac Asimov was Russian born so I can see that you where reading some superficial wiki and you got the English version of his bio written by “I’ve never read a book in my entire life” AKA American.

    Now my friend can you tell me from what part of the countryside or deprived area in UK are you coming from?

    Latest news Roger Water have said “Falklands belong to Argentina” in Chile it is not so disappointing mate?

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tigre

    forgive me, I meant that I would like to know the malvinas, I like traveling and meeting people, their culture, my English is not very good, that's not being illiterate, few on the island speaks fluent Spanish? .. I visit .. if not the island that does not guarantee safety, sure there are people descriminadora. those are the minority but annoying, and sure there are very friendly people who understand that this fixes it politicians ..

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Oh! Bloody ‘ell iou

    I have to fix this before Red call me illiterate again its is “Roger Waters” sorry.

    Wow I think I’m safe now.

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BenC30

    @116/118. Isn't about time you just shut up?

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @116 DanyBerger

    “Now you tell me please, as you are the expert on English language...”

    You don’t read TOO well do you, so again “where have you read, that I’m claiming to be erudite in English???

    “The following sentence that you have written “see below” do you think it is correct?
    I don’t have travel anywhere to be in”??? just wonder because I’m confused now.”

    But as your English has suddenly improved, I’ll complete it for you - I don’t have TO travel anywhere to be in it.

    “by the way Isaac Asimov was Russian born so I can see that you where reading some superficial wiki and you got the English version of his bio written by “I’ve never read a book in my entire life” AKA American.”

    Yes that is right, I’d never heard of Isaac Asimov and I spent 5 seconds on (full of inaccuracies) Wikipedia to check, but who cares he’s a fiction writer, or no one worth knowing?

    “Now my friend can you tell me from what part of the countryside or deprived area in UK are you coming from?”

    Ja mein fuhrer (or something like that) it’s not deprived, you’re only thinking of where you live.

    “Latest news Roger Water(s) have (has) said “Falklands belong to Argentina” in Chile it is not so disappointing mate?”

    ARE you ACTUALLY using, as an argument, what a has-been drug affected 68 year old desperate for attention rocker has to say, you ARE joking aren’t you, or are you also desperate?
    Is this more of your German humour?

    @118 DanyBerger
    No you’re not safe, but I’m not that pedantic.

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Redcoat

    No Red this is real German Humor:

    Otto is jealous and sad because his best friend Frizt fall in love with lovely Hannah and he didn’t see him since them.

    Otto is getting depressed because he miss those wonderful nights with Frizt drinking beer while eating sauerkraut, singing and telling funnies German jokes.

    So he desired to follow Frizt to see what is he doing. Otto becomes so obsess and obvious that one day Frizt become aware of Otto followings that he desires to face Otto and ask him why he is doing that.

    He waits for him round the corner and suddenly surprised Otto and ask him.

    Otto for god sake why are following me that way?

    Otto answered because I dunk too much beer Frizt.

    It is not funny?

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @121 DanyBerger
    I appreciate you ‘sending’ me a joke, but don’t get it, I can only think that “Otto answering, because I drunk too much beer Frizt” means he was following Frizt in drunken way?
    It’s 3 or 4 hours later for me than you, so I’ll think up a joke in the morning (if I can), for you to see if you think it’s funny.
    p.s. I’ll try this because I know some guys in fighting in Afghanistan the moment alongside Germans and reckon they have the same sense humour!!

    Feb 29th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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