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Argentina wants to review 1999 accord with Aerolineas direct flights Buenos Aires/Falklands
President Cristina Fernandez said Argentina will seek to re-negotiate the 1999 accord with the UK which allows for a weekly flight connecting the Falklands Islands and Chile, and replace it with three schedules a week but from Buenos Aires and in the country’s flag carrier, Aerolineas Argentinas. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI barely know where to start with this heap of steaming crap.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have instructed our Foreign Minister and our ambassador in London”, They don't have one, just a Chargé d’Affaires. So I guess she'll be instructing no-one then. She might also want to remember that he was hauled-up for cruise vessel nonsense.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The interesting thing is they get referred to as 'the islands', I have never heard her do that.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I smell a trap.....
I smell desperation.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/29/roger-waters-falklands-argentinian-interview?newsfeed=true
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's like a cheap soap opera that just got a new writer. The trouble is he didn't listen to the continuity guy.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK assumed office in 2007. If the Falklands dispute was such a problem for Argentina they would have done this ages ago! The only reason CFK is doing this is to distract Argentinians from the real problems with the economy, corruption etc.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes them look pathetic to the outside world!
“We’re tired of being humiliated,”
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet she is. LOL.
I smell a trap. She's just too bitter to do anything straightforward and normal.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She's just trying to continue her “Argentina are the poor victims in all this” BS. Nobody will buy it.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Islanders' leadership: will you take this into consideration or continue to prefer flying 3000 km West to Santiago in order to fly East to Europe?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 you mean the 'we want flights with you' with 'tell the cruise ships to bu993r-off' bipolar strategy? Never really worked in political history though, has it, pretending to be friendly whilst shooting them in the back.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 Marcelo
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so there is Falklands leadership then. That's good, you goons are learning.
How on earth is a flight that goes to BA in any way an incentive? You fool. Do really for a minute think that anyone is going to get on such a flight? Do you really think FIG would allow it?
Someone said you were bright. I'm not seeing it.
@12 most would swim to Ascenscion before they would fly Aerolineas....
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We will continue to be a peaceful people, but we will stand up for our rights,” she concluded.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Cristina actually meant to say.....
“We haven't always been peaceful but we are at the moment because our economy is nearly bust. We will try to claim something that isn't ours but try and pretend to the rest of the world it rightfully belong to us”.
Old news. Argentina tried this trick once before and it was turned down. There is no way on earth that the Islanders will permit a flight from BA, or for the Argie airline to have control.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Playing old cards it would seem.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203753704577255671017949932.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you choose to believe your own lies, you cannot avoid falling in your false reality. After you lose your grasp on reality, understanding just the facts makes no sense.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Welcome back.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I think it was me, I said he was educated, not necessarily bright.
@15 At least the RAF invest in safety unlike the plummet airlines that is Aerolineas.
@16 Let us have a look at that...
peace·ful /ˈpisfəl/
adjective
1.characterized by peace; free from war, strife, commotion, violence, or disorder: a peaceful reign; a peaceful demonstration.
2.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a state or time of peace.
3.peaceable; not argumentative, quarrelsome, or hostile: a peaceful disposition.
I think they're not very definition 1 and in no way definition 3. I guess they used definition 2 then. Argentinians, about as peaceful as a rabid dog on amphetamines.
Is she silly or what,
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would the islanders let Argentina deal with all the flights?
Just so they can inflict more pain when she wishes,
Chile is not playing ball, with her planes,
So argie wants to do it, then all she has to do, is stop it when she feels like it,
Talk about desperate,, just how desperate can you get,
Like we all said, if she can’t produce the goods very soon, they will replace her .lol.
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Argentina complain about the fact that there is only one flight from mainland South America, but they ban charter flights to the Falklands and routinely deny their airspace being used by other flights wanting to fly to the Falklands. How ludicrous is the Argentine Government? How backward and idiotic is CFK? The reason why we only have the one flight from South America is because of Argentina!!!!!!!!! Idiots.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll always remember the pain on the faces of our leaders when they told us about the July 99 agreement. Poor Norma didn't agree to it but she had no choice. I know none of them wanted it but that was the reality at the time. Then bit by bit Argentina reneged on a lot of it, while we being British steadfastly honoured it.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No such agreement is ever going to be “renegotiated”. That, I am sure of.
@21 - spot on.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has no leverage over Chile and has failed on that one. As you say if Argentina takes it over then they can cite a non economic route (which FI will go to BA?) and pull the flights, hey presto - no flights.
@21 I'd agree. Some aspect here is about gaining control. She cannot control produce coming in through the LAN flight and this is a problem, so she's probably hoping to make it unprofitable so it ends.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 They'll continue to ban charter flights, the likelihood of them giving an inch is zero, that's not how Argentinians negotiate. It's you who has to give in, and their machismo doesn't let them budge.
I would not spend much time on this subject. Aerolineas Argentinas probably could never manage to get an airplane able to make a flight, while LAN is pretty dependable.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think government knows very well what squatter's response will be. Then, the LAN flights must be stopped!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Jorge
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now now you cheeky boy. That's no way to treat your neighbours.
@27. Why is the Argentinian government only doing this now? She assumed office in 2007 - is she not very good and indeed very slow at her job or is she doing it to distract the average Argentinian from the economic, corrupt and crime-ridden situation?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 UK has more economic problems. Cameron is that one interested in distracting british people from their problems.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im pretty sure, that if it came to it, the goverment would use british planes, to fill any gaps if required,
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but as the islanders are not that silly, then CFK might as well stick to her yellow ducks in the bath,
@26 I would have thought they'd sold all their planes to finance KFCs latest property acquisition.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 Anger just makes you look like a fool.
The interesting thing here is the UK has out-maneuvered Argentina again because if Argentina wants this to go ahead they will have to negotiate with the Falklands government which in turns mean they have to recognise them.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very, very smart move UK government.
I would do this very same. Change 1 flight for 3. But give 1 to LAN, 2 to Aerolineas. Like a faith proof that no harm is meant.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30. You fool - http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/29/argentina-spending-more-than-it-produces-default-situation-can-t-be-discarded
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has inflation of 25%+ about likely to default and you say the UK is in a worse situation. You really must walk around with your head up you ass or CFKs!
@33 okay, this is an old strategy and she was hoping the UK would say no, but they haven't they've forwarded the message onto the FIG.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now what? They accept the FIG as a democratically elected government? the UK can just say to the C24 that the FIG is in charge, not us.
This may have been another shot in yet another foot for KFC. We'll see how it pans out.
25 GreekYoghurt
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correctamundo. You get the extra jelly baby.
She wants to strangle the Lan flight, then it becomes unprofitable, stops, and voila, Argentina controls our only link to South America.
It's a cunning plan, but you can bet that if you smoked it, then we have too.
If she's serious about not affecting our interests, she can allow us the second Lan flight we want, and lift the ban on charter flights. That's what we need and want, not a flight to BA that is totally useless to most islanders.
Of course she's not serious. She's just a compulsive liar.
She is a woman with a big mouth and very little action!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 - The UK government is now just poking fun at Argentina and have a right good old laugh.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If she cuts the existing flight off, the UK's position gets far stronger and we provide another flight, no problem. In a defense budget of 65 Billion another 100 million is little really.
@37 I think we all know she's bipolar and mildly delusional, and this is all some hogwash that surely was never going to actually happen.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But what if the LAN flight gets cut, you guys have enough food, right? Do we need to send food parcels? are tins of argentinian corned beef okay?
@33 That won't happen!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 That's not true, you idiot!
@41. Is it because you 'dear Leader' won't let anyone report the true figures? Denial just isn't the answer!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 040, at the rate she is going, perhaps it is Argentina that may need the food parcels lol...
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0p/s why is that man taking a picture of her head .
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@42 They say so since 2003 and nothing has happened about the “default thing”. They will continue to say so and nothing will happen.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43. Perhaps our 'monetary aid' will cover the food parcels for Argentinians?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@45 £7million in aid would buy a nice plane from Airbus of Boeing to them to fly to Uruguay and back, full of eggs and bananas.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well we have lived without the flight and can do it again...cannot see any locals wanting to fly into BA...........not even on a freebie, take a hike plastic lady do not waste your time..............I love fruit cakes but that lady is far to nutty for my taste.......get a grip you demented wench.......get a life, spend more time in looking after your own people as the Falklands are British and will stay that way forever......
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@47 to be honest, flying to Mount Pleasant from London takes about the same time as getting the train from London to Cornwall. At £3'000, It's also about comparable a comparable ticket price.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Makes it seem a nice place to have a quick holiday, in my shorts.
maybe shes hoping you would accept so they can sneak a battalion of soldiers on to the falkland islands, disguised as soldiers? Just a thought. Though it wouldn't surprise me since they were planning a mock invasion with fishermen.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0There would be a simple solution to all the threats from Argentina, tell them that if they ever attack the Falklands, Britain will drop a Tactical Nuclear Bomb on their capital.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0End of story. No need to have a garrison there. Just a long range strike aircraft. They would soon stfu.
Didn't their special forces take on 2 british soldiers and they nearly lost? I remember a story about them being pretty terrible. So I guess no, a plane full wouldn't do it.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0jayD
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do realize that your suggestion would cause the UK to completely violate at least a half dozen treaties right? All of them at the same time, and for the first time since any nuclear treaty was signed.
Now that would be a nice historical artifact for your country, to be the first to violate all nuclear treaties, and all at once. :)
Not to mention your moral standing in the world will be destroyed for probably 200 years at the very least.
44 JORGE1982
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has something called a democracy, there are checks on power at every level. In the UK, the Falklands isn't even making the news. Most of the population under 30 don't even know where we are, half of them have never heard of us. The idea that Cameron is using this to deflect attention is therefore idiotic in the extreme.
In Argentina, on the other hand, the Malvinas is something people are brainwashed over 24/7. You have a government that is useless at domestic policies and spends its entire time on Falklands rhetoric and insults.
Robert Mugabe has the same tactic, blame everything on Britain and the whites (despite the fact that without Britain, he wouldn't have even got into office).
Like Zimbabwe, Argentina is suffering from hyper inflation. And like Zimbabwe, Argentina has elections but the same government in office continuously.
Like Zimbabwe, nationalism can be used, when all else fails, to appeal to the lowest levels of intelligence, base tribal instincts, ugga, ugga, ugga.
Argentines, sucker punched by their own incompetent government, again and again.
Who understands these Brits? 4 months “crying” cut it “s flight”, and once in Argentina holds out his hand, we seek to split hairs? In Argentina there are millions of European descent, many with his passport, all have their nationality, many are British, all retained their customs, languages and possessions. In addition to being under the sovereignty Argentina would pay 7 times less taxes!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The international law states:
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Convention on International Civil Aviation
Article 5
Right of'non-scheduledflight
Each contracting State agrees that all aircraft o f the other contracting States, being aircraft not engaged in scheduled international air services shall have the right, subject t o the observance of the terms o f this Convention, t o make flights into or in transit non-stop across its territory and t o make stops for non-traffic purposes without the necessity o f obtaining prior permission, and subject t o the right of the State flown over to require landing
INTERNATIONAL AIR TRANSPORT AGREEMENT
Article 1
Each contracting State grants to the other contracting States the following freedoms of the air in respect of scheduled international air services:
1. The privilege to fly across its territory without landing;
Both agreements were signed by Peron in the forties.
Dear @ 55 the error is I look for in international law! Find the Argentine aviation code! It's a domestic flight!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is brilliant. if the islanders snob this offer to connect Malvinas to the continent, the next step is to remove Lan Chile flights from Punta Arenas. Then they'd be wishing they hadn't.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well after all, it´s a nice gesture but I guess AA will not be able to keep up with schedules, maitenances, prices, strikes, etc. ( and wait to see which planes are gonna send). So at the end LAN will keep being the only safe and serious way to reach american continent.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What happens in the islands have no social life? all times are insulting to Argentina? if they were placed by some soldiers “you and your allies,” those who attacked you! not to be confused! the aggressor that 150 civilians expelled the Argentines of these islands is called UK!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@57 That's for the islanders to decide, not you. Besides who wants to fly to a terrible city with a terrible airline? I'd rather stick with the LAN flight, thanks.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I recommend the new album by Roger Waters and MR Penn “The dark side of piracy” and “Morgan murderer of the 7 Seas”
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@57 a terrible city and a terrible airline huh... Buenos Aires is ranked amongst the best cities to live in the world. Young europeans are “flocking” to it ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/22/young-europeans-emigrate-argentina-jobs ). And Aerolineas has the most modern fleet in south america. Argue about the article all you like but for christ sake remain objective otherwise it makes you look childish and stupid.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 02003 – in April, Nestor Kirchner wins the Presidential election in Argentina.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0November, the Argentine government withdraws permission for charter flights, to the Falklands, to over-fly Argentine airspace. Buenos Aires also demands that there should be negotiations on scheduled flights operating directly between Argentina and the Falklands, but state that they will not accept the presence of any Island representative to the talks.
Britain's response is brief:
“The Falkland Islands Government is wholly opposed to any scheduled flights originating in Argentina or operated by Argentine carriers. The concern would be, based on past experience, that the Argentines could not be trusted not to heavily subsidise the flight, to such an extent that it made the LAN Chile flight no longer commercial and caused its withdrawal, following which we would have commercial scheduled flights only through Argentina. This of course is reminiscent of the situation in the 1970's and is unacceptable.”
Same old, same old - no hope, no cxhance
How many have little white houses in Stanley? 10 or 20? poor peasants believe they live in Europe! no one went to Nottingham or elsewhere, country people!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The FIG offer a few year ago an “open skyes” agreement between argentina and FI with one execption, that Argentine official carrier be excluded, only acept charter flights and carriers from other SA countries. What kind of “open skyes ” are these conditions ? Open Skyes means no restriction either way. The Falkland Islands don't want nothing to do with Argentina but at the same time expect to use our air space to let carriers from other South American countries to go to those islands. They ignore us but want to pass over us. Ridiculous kind of negotation you have !!!!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I desagree completly with my co-nationals about self determination for the Falkland islanders. We should respect their wishes to british. They have been there for more than 180 years. But what I desagree with the Brits is about their constant denial of their true history and all the atrocities they commit for centuries. They talk about the British Empire with so much pride that make me sick. They condemn France for trying to dominate the world. They codemn Spain for the same. They condemn Germany also. What is the diference! When you try to impose your will in others people land is wrong. Thats not matter if you speak French, Spanish, German or English. Is still wrong !!!!
So please explain to me please. Why of your country try to dominate the world was good and not for other that try to do the same was evil?
Are you some kind of chosen people ? In my life I met a lot of British while I lived in US and allways amuse me how arrogant you are.
I admire all the things you did for humanity, inventions and comerce. But you are too arrogant to belive that you are above evrybody else.
We are all humans. Nobody is above anybody. So please stop arrogance.
Don't make distinction between Lan Chile or Aerolineas or Pluna, etc.
Offer to Argentina and agreement of negotation (UNDER THE UMBRELA OF SOBERAGNITY) about fisheries, comerce and flighs in equal conditions with other South American countries. Please.
56- How is a flight from Chile - to the Islands “internal” ? - are you saying we are now Chilean territory? Ok you folks say a flight from RioGallegos to the Islands is “internal” in your eyes - but hardly one from Chile! Think you had better try again!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 057- the reason why CFK is trying this silly offer is because Lan told her NO when she suggested to them to stop their flights!
Re-Looking at the 1999 Agreement - it really shows she needs medical help!! She and her ex husband have torn-up or walked out of all parts of the 1999 Agreement so far other than the weekly flight!
Suggest she starts with honouring the parts she has already welched on for a start.
Anyway AA would probably NOT meet the airline saftety standards required by the civil aviation dept here.
63# BA is down at 78 which I would say is pretty dangerous
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_Living_Survey
Terrible city : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_Living_Survey
Islanders agree with you, want nothing of the Argentina. Well, Argentina should have nothing to do with you. USA and wants no part of CUBA. It is our right to cut off any contact with you. My opinion is, prohibit the use of airspace and sea to any aircraft or vessel bound for the islands. Simple, we forget about us and you. Do whatever you want with the rest of the world but soil, air and water Argentina never again be used for any who wants to have something with you.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Better not accept this proposal of Argentina's. As soon as the Falklands come to rely on Argentine flights, they'll discontinue them (again).
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders agree with you, want nothing of the Argentina. Well, Argentina should have nothing to do with you. USA and wants no part of CUBA. It is our right to cut off any contact with you. My opinion is, prohibit the use of airspace and sea to any aircraft or vessel bound for the islands. Simple, we forget about us and you. Do whatever you want with the rest of the world but soil, air and water Argentina never again be used for any who wants to have something with you.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't accept the Argentine flights proposal. You are blockading Argentina! Breaking law!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders end up with that double standard, say they do not want anything from Argentina but want us to let them pass through our airspace, its ships sailing in our waters. When one is angry with his neighbor does not go asking for favors, so be consistent. Want no part of the Argentine as it does not expect anything in return.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0This CFK lady is really just too much! A few days after instructing her Industry Minister to poke local companies to stop importing from Britain, she moves on to say she wants to see BA-Port Stanley flights three times a week. Clearly, this lady is out of her mind.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0She goes about the place bullying neighbours, summons Unasur leaders to the FI opposite shore just to discuss an 'official' position on the islands and then goes to Parliament to say the message she wants to send is that of Argentines being a people of peace. She keeps referring to her late husband as 'him', 'he' and looks up as if in prayer commending herself to a private saint whenever she needs fx for her public appearances. Can't anyone see it?
She's losing it.
Dear First Lady of your Nation.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why fo not make a GARAGE SALES at your Olivos Residential House, as well in Tirrra del Fuego, and make sure that you make a merciful one time sacrifice in your own livelihiid, selling all those expensive huge costly wardrobes which you spent with Argentine Funding Luxuries, when you have a population which is Starving as well running ou of options, as Capitals are Leaving your Nation for your Crazyness Way to GOVERN your Nation, and looking with PRIDE and LEWDNESS to robe by false pretenses under your wrong assesors, like the fellow Argüello that you had followed his words and instructions, and the crook wrath Timerman with a History like you with old times if the 60's/70's in rigged elections from even your Capora association since. It's time you think to the path and not in SELFISH HERESIES with PRIDE for DECAI your own Country. I Must congratulate Mr. Moyano stand agaisnt you.
I Believe that the WHOLE NATION SHALL DO SAME THING. You are Not a GODDESS in Argentina, neither your Ministers and all your Police Administrations which are Persecuting Your Own People. Wake up Lady.
@72 Bux
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0IN ANOTHER FORUM I QUOTE YOU BELOW:
“So, British, if you think that we are breaking any law by refusing boats and planes to use our territory, SUE US. We want it.”
THEN YOU GO ON TO SAY IN THIS FORUM:
“Don't accept the Argentine flights proposal. You are blockading Argentina! Breaking law!”
SO IF WE DONT USE YOUR AIRCRAFT WE ARE BREAKING LAW? YET YOU IMPLY IN YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS THAT ARGENTINA CAN BLOCKADE WITHOUT BREAKING THE LAW!!!
ARE YOU ON THE SAME PILLS AS FRAU KRISTINA?
“Don't accept the Argentine flights proposal. You are blockading Argentina! Breaking law!”
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's irony
Friday joke:
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you do when you see an Angentinian riding a bike?
Chase after him, it’s probably yours!
@78 brit abroad
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Friday joke:
What do you do when you see a British riding a bike?
Chase after him, it’s yours bike, and they even dare to argue the contrary!
I got asked for ID in a RG bar the other.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said, “Are you serious man? I have a moustache and a beard!”
The owner said “So what? That means nothing. At the age of 13, so did my daughter”
Kelpers do something noble! Work for democracy, human rights, equity at society, not for Monarchy, colonialism, anarchist capitalists and financial speculation.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think you are worth anything for that Prince, that Queen, the right-wingers at the UL government today or the lazy speculators that male business with the islands and British corrupted military industries??
The prince is sitting at what he considers his country house now.
My mom tought me not to steal or occupy a house that belonged to someone else when I was a kid.
At least ask the UK for more wrights, have a little bit of self-criticism as part of the UK. At least ask them for more! After all you are their excuse.
“My mom tought me not to steal or occupy a house that belonged to someone else when I was a kid”.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is hilarious!!!!!!!!!!
Is it the norm in Argentina to steal houses?
My mum told me not to steal, but i dont think the idea that i may try and steal house on day ever entered her mind.
Brilliant! What else she teach you?
@ 81 cuánta frustración, camporista, qué pasha, eshtash nerviosho? jajaja Your mother is a peronist like yourself, how could your mother teach you not to steal or occupy a house that belonged to someone else?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boudou miente :)
Dear Kelpers, If you say yes you are lost, If you say no, well, you are lost too. As you see, it is just a gentile way to do things. So, you have to think carefully what are you going to respond. Think!!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, UK wants to reject Argentine planes, but also want British boats allowed to use Argentine ports.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0BUX ........UK has not said they reject Argentine planes!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think about this......if RG land had not started the ship thing, then threatened with closing LAN, the response from the UK/Falkanders would probably be very very different.
No matter “the ship thing” or “closing LAN”, we don't need you to accept the planes, or reject it.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have a generous offer. Make your choice: acept or reject/ignore.
We make the rules in Argentina.
I agree with those posters who believe that this is not a genuine attempt at reconciliation.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is an attempt to take control of the FI access to South America by air. This means that the Argentinians can shut them down whenever they feel like it in times of a crises.
One way to smoke this one out could be to amke a counter offer - 1 flight to Chile and 1 to Argentina per week.
I would put this on the table and sit on it until tensions have decreased.
An commercial can be used as a trojan horse for all kinds of mischief, and would'nt give the Argentines that particular tactical option at the moment.
hehe so why make the offer?????? you absolute nonce!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont tell me it is open arms gesture, becuase we all know thats bollox!
Yes we know you make the rules in Argentina, and we also know that you dont make the rules in the Falklands!
Hey, guess what else I know...............
56 -
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets run this scenario - Cut / ban LAN flight
Argies kindly offer a link to BA
Argies would have control over air link and be able to bully / control imports via air freight etc
If Falklands refuse we await CFK with tears in her eyes saying that we offered them a link and the cruel UK refused this.
Its school boy politics a child could think up. If we can second guess the reichs next move on a forum what does that tell you about them!
Concentrate on paying your defaulted IMF loan back and the billions you owe US, and guess what the US want it back!!! better watch your step. PS HMS Dauntless still in UK waters.
Last Friday joke:
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arguing with an RG is like playing chess with a pigeon.
You could be the greatest player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and strut around triumphantly.
91 - That made me spit my tea out....love it
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 090 cLOHO
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The next move is relatively straightforward. The FIG offer talks in Stanley about flights and all the other parts of the 1999 agreement, including fisheries, and including other areas of mutual interest such as hydrocarbons and charter flights.
Then we watch the Princess of Peace's head explode as she works out how to answer without her mask slipping and revealing the witch underneath.
The bottom line is......Why should the Islanders trust a word from the Argentine government? Past experience has taught them otherwise
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fuck argentina. What we really need is one of our SAS guys to take out this fucking bitch. She is nothing more than an ugly coldsore on the face of this planet. Every day for the past few weeks there has been another headline involving her trying to poke her ugly nose into the Falklands affairs. It has nothing to do with her or her stinking country, she should butt out.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm surprised a local hasn't done it
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@94 I think you're right. This is about trust... defined as ..
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0trust /trʌst/
noun
1. reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing; confidence.
2. confident expectation of something; hope.
3. confidence in the certainty of future payment for property or goods received; credit: to sell merchandise on trust.
4. a person on whom or thing on which one relies: God is my trust.
5. the condition of one to whom something has been entrusted.
Do the FIslanders trust the Argentinians? No.
Would you trust the Argentinians? No.
Do the Argentinians ever give anything away? No.
Do they abide by contracts? No.
Do they have any morals structure? No.
Are they Machiavellian? Yes.
Upon accepting these flights is there likely to be a negative consequence? Yes.
At the end of the day, you don't accept a slice of chocolate cake from a man who just tried to steal your house and shoot your family, and still secretly wants to steal your house and shoot your family.
End of Story.
It is always a great amusement to read the one who conceals behind “GreekYoughurt” nickname. This person is the owner of the thruth and everybody must be abided by his/her reasoning. Reality is what he/she thinks, then “end of story”...My feeling is that with this kind of reasoning, people do not go too far, and history (not story) continues, even if they would like to be stopped.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I smell a great degree of back peddling here.....in a week were beligerent actions and outbursts have hurt Argentina's reputation on the international stage, it seems that cooler heads do exist within the Argentine establishment, perhaps maybe there is a degree of realisation that threatening the islands and insulting the UK has got them absolutely nowhere over the past couple of years.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although it would be interesting to see if Argentina wants this new BA route as a replacement to the Santiago one, in which case it is a cynical ploy to covertly put another lever on the islands......
@98 au contraire, I can only assemble my own perception of 'the truth' through the assimilation of the objective realities presented to me, and agreed with people I trust. These objective facts typically come from the comparison of various sources, expressing different biases. I then play those back into the forum for people to criticise, should they so choose, because that's only fair. You'll see that I typically show my reasoning so that others can deride it, again should they so choose.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, if something is 'common sense', like “Argentinians renge on everything they sign, because property and contract law means nothing to them”, then I can advise of my use of heuristics, in the statement 'End of Story'. Because, let's be fair, you'd struggle to find an example of when the Argentinians haven't gone back on a treaty. Try UNSCR 502 which they completely ignored.
Delinquency is not a virtue.
The other question is: would anyone in their right mind fly with Aerolineas Argentina?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh! I spot the Queen of Plastic's cunning stunt (sorry about the visual that springs to mind) she's going to send up the crap airliners so they can crash in the sea and get of the Falklanders 150 a time!
@101 that's only 3000/150 = 20 planes! They probably want to borrow some off of their gimp-pet Spain (Spain does anything Argentina says, including jumping, and tricks with a bone) and then they can fulfill their theft-destiny.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you're in the FIslands and you fly with Arg Plummet Airlines, then you are probably a fool, or you enjoy landing with only two wheels descended.
@99
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You give them far too much credit, assuming that argentina has any awareness what their clownish attempts to bully the islanders does to their image.
The sheer level of delusional and narcissistic nationalism ruling that government and society leads to them assuming, expecting and demanding that the world (and indeed the islanders given argentine politicians oft repeated statements that the islanders are being “held hostage” and forcibly prevented from moving to argentina) be in an eternal awe, adoration and worship of argentina's might, righteousness and exeptionalism.
The exception to this delusion is only of nations who even slightly impinge on argentines grossly inflated self importance whom are thus regarded as almost literally satanic in maliciousness and monstrosity.
This self obsession is why multiple argentine governments presume that their actions against the islanders over the past 60 years are instantly and eternally forgiven, and thus why idiots like Di Tella thought that throwing toys and bribes at the Islanders as if they were disobedient children would be enough for them to allow their basic human rights, land, resources and culture to be forcibly stripped from them.
Indeed it is this bloated self importance which results in those like that laughable “Rugby without Borders” group to presume it was the islanders who needed to seek forgiveness, comparing them directly to the pushers of apartheid in South Africa, before traveling to the islands expecting to be fawned over like royalty.
this deeply unhealthy view of themselves is also why it is so hilariously easy for other nations to get concessions out of their government, in return for purely verbal support for “negotiations” over the Falklands.
Now i guess they will see the islanders incredulous reaction to this recent self righteous diatribe as an “insult” and then throw another impotent temper tantrum
would be funny were it not so pathetic
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Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@104 Sorry Claudio, we're not poor, so we can't read Spanish. Maybe you need to go to a forum that's full of paupers.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly this woman (?) is at least as stupid as “her citizens” and way more stupid than she thinks Britain and the Falklands are. Let's look at the “real world”.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Britain has already said that any negotiations must be with the Falkland Islands Government. Problem for the argies. The Falkland Islanders are not a “people” and, in argie eyes, cannot have a government. Problem for argies. You have to publicly recognise the FIG before you can negotiate.
2. A commenter on an article in a British newspaper has already asked the question “What if an Argie flight had 300 argie special forces on board?” Sorry, no argie flights. Especially using an airline owned by the argie “government”.
3. Argieland is already attacking LAN Airlines. Undoubtedly because Chile does very little to promote argie-sourced attacks on the Falklands. This is an attempt to use aircraft in use by government-owned Aerolineas Argentina to make LAN flights uneconomic. Replace one LAN flight with three Aerolineas flights? Joke! Argieland doesn't have enough money. But once the LAN flight is cancelled, air links to the Islands are controlled by argieland.
4. @52 argieland is already in contravention of more international laws than it could count. The problem can be solved. No more argieland!
5. @54 We don't want your hand. We want your throat!
6. @57 Of course it's a brilliant idea. Shoving a bayonet up your own ar*e is also a brilliant idea!
7. @63 Overall average age of the AA fleet = 13.5 years. Overall average age of the LAN fleet = 5.8 years. Says it all!
8. @66 What's your problem? Argieland is not trustworthy. How is this difficult to understand? Argieland is belligerent, cheats, invades, lies and steals.
9. @81 Argies do something noble! Die!
10. @87 Okay, your offer is accepted. But argie aircraft have to land in the ocean!
11. @98 You don't have enough brain to comment.
106 Conqueror
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What if an Argie flight had 300 argie special forces on board?”
Then they would all be prisoners or dead within 5 minutes of getting off the plane.
There are more than enough British Forces to deal with the oxymoron that is “argie special forces”.
@83 xbarilox: my mother is not peronist and I am not one either. Why do you think I am?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88 shb: “shut them down whenever they feel like it” hahah! You are really brainwashed by all tgat crappy headlines tou read about a “Threatening Argentina” The COLONIAL POWER HERE IS THE UK. Face it once and for all. We even don't have militar power in Argentina and why would we attack people living at the islands? Not even the stupid military junta we had was hostile against inhabitants of the islands. Go on letting the British media sell you crap, maybe yoi can find a nice commercial and buy something cool in the middle of all that written lies.
@98 Kohen: I agree with you about “GreekYoghurt” Has he got something serious to say?? His capacity of giving facts and serious arguments is ZERO! Lol
@Conqueror: thanks to people like you there are WARS at the world. There is no self-criticism at the UK Government nowadays and you don't care. Cameron shouting and pointing out with his finger, pretending to be strong while he knows not many leaders would support the UK sovereignty over the islands, jut the Corporate media, the Queen, londoner right-wingers and a fee lazy anarchist capitalists. So many things in common with FASCISM.
This is the reason why there has to be a STOP to this UK Government. It is a threaten for Latinamerica (WikiLiks informed that for example Brazil does not want the UK at the Islands because it is a threaten for them too) and to democracy at other parts of the world too!
Even a six year old wouldn't fall for this obvious trap. Does CFK enjoy humiliating herself? This is like the Taliban telling coalition troops they have a “special birthday surprise” for them in a dark cave. Screw Argentina. Create more air links with Chile. Its a much better place anyway. Better yet, get some air links with French Guiana.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If only that lens behind CFK was a sniper rifle scope....
108 fermin (#)
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The COLONIAL POWER HERE IS THE UK. Face it once and for all. We even don't have militar power in Argentina and why would we attack people living at the islands? Not even the stupid military junta we had was hostile against inhabitants of the islands. Go on letting the British media sell you crap, maybe yoi can find a nice commercial and buy something cool in the middle of all that written lies.”
Why would we invade?
Well because you did so before. The fact that you don't seem the least bit apologetic about it certainly doesn't help.
The Military Junta wasn't hostile to the islanders?! REALLY?!
So invading the islands in 1982 was NOT a hostile act?
Planting countless landmines on the islands was NOT a hostile act?
Deporting several of the islanders was NOT a hostile act?
Holding groups of islanders in confinement on the islands was NOT a hostile act?
Enforcing Argentine rule at the end of a gun against the wishes of the Islanders was NOT a hostile act?
Do you actually believe the shit you're shovelling?
“said the president in her state of the nation speech to Congress Thursday midday, which lasted for over three and a half hours.”
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could have been summed up in three words 'we are fcuked'
@108 Poor child. Do not start us on what you and your family are. Do you really want to learn what we think of you? Starting with sh*t-suckers. Mother f*ckers. Motherf*cking shit-suckers. Whoremothers. Getting the idea?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, you don't have military power. In short order, your best “power” will be pedal power. All argie slaves required to spend 7 hours a day on pedal-powered generators.
Actually, it is t*rds like you that start wars. The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory recognised by the United Nations. It's status is the will of the people that live there. You are an imperialist colonialist aggressor. Your whole population supports your aggressive, belligerent, criminal, deluded, ex-human, fatuous, genocidal, hate-ridden, ignorant, juvenile, kleptomaniac, lame-brained, mendacious, necrophiliac, psychotic, ridiculous, scatological, tu*d-infested, retarded attitude.
You don't even have the intelligence to put forward a 5% credible case. Come on, vermin. The ICJ or pistols at dawn. You have to admit the odds would be in your favour. Your brain, if you have one, being so microscopic.
@110 Let's have a think if they were hostia
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hos·tile /ˈhɒstl or, especially Brit., -taɪl/ Show Spelled
adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an enemy: a hostile nation.
2. opposed in feeling, action, or character; antagonistic: hostile criticism.
3. characterized by antagonism.
4. not friendly, warm, or generous; not hospitable.
noun
5. a person or thing that is antagonistic or unfriendly.
6. Military . an enemy soldier, plane, ship, etc.
Well the military junta and the current Argentinian administration are both hostile according to the definition of the term.
Now boys and girls..flights from Buenos Aires to Falklands/Malvinas (love to see the departure board) with LAN and British Airways
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no..wait a minute Iberia would be better (British Air owns Iberia, or is it the other way round) but Willie Walsh the Irish CEO of British Airways wont see a profit in it...
so the answer is RYANAIR now Michael O'Leary the CEO, another Irishman, would make it a profitable venture and everybody loves the Irish.
Plus that comment above “What if an Argie flight had 300 argie special forces on board?” made @106 Conqueror would never happen as they couldn't afford the RYANAIR excess baggage.
@ 101 LOL! A tongue twister.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aerolineas is CFKC's money laundering operation with $2m a day going to support the crippled airline and absolutely no accountability. No one actually produces any accounts.
As an Argentine businessman pointed out to me - he was a former pilot but not with AA - the airline is ridiculously over-staffed and they are insanely under-worked. The pilots fly, on average, 20 hours per month. Compare that to other airlines. He cautioned me against using the airline as it was unsafe.
Queen Botox' latest move is trying to convince the British into allowing Aerolineas Argentinas a route to Falkland/Malvinas direct from Rio Gallegos or even Buenos Ayres. This was tried before and the islanders said 'no, thanks'. What do you think would their reaction be today? This makes me think that other power is holding rights which Argentina believes her own.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been having a look around the internet on the Falklands issue for the last week or so and whilst you can find references to the recent stories they are obvious fillers.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you have a look at say the BBc website there is nothing on the front page about Argentina/Falklands and even on the Latin american page they seem more interested in Drugs Gangs and Chavez the chav than anything else.
In short no one really gives a shit about the Argentine rants other than Argentina themselves.
all this “world cause” shit is just that - a load of shit.
Everyone should just move on and leave the RG's to it. No one else is listening except to placate them lest they turn on chile or Uruguay next.
You know, for weeks now, this plastic faced horrendous little woman (insult to a woman) is on the radio or somewhere, spouting about the Falklands.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why doesn't she take a look at her own country and try and focus on fixing all the problem they have there and keep her nose out of our country.
Face facts “ Argies” you friggin lost, you got your arses kicked, and you shall again, just bring it on, I am sick and tired of your crap. In a war, there is only one winner and that was us, so suck it up and foxtrot oscar.
As to the latest crap, about her planes coming here, even if it was free, stick it where the sun doesn't shine lady as your kind aren't wanted or welcome.
If we had our way, all of the Argies that live here would be sent back along with the bones of the conscripts in bin bags, so you have no excuse to come back here.
The only good argie is a dead bastard! Have a nice weekend!
Knowing nothing about Aerolinas Argentinas, I checked on Airlinequality.com.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The results were not very inspiring.. Flight safety is not judged on this site.
@108 fermin.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did it before and you would do it again in a heartbeat if you thought you would get away with it. We don't trust you at all. We will never forget your unprovoked attack and facist occupation.
Your amphibious capabilities are small at the moment, but your govt has sought suitable vessels for several years to replace the Cabo San Antonio.
It is only a matter of time before you have a proper sea lift/assault capability again.
You are the colonialist/imperialist power here, seeking to steal someone elses land from under them and make them live in a state of occupation. That's if the more extreme malvinistas don't get their way and ethnically cleanse the islands by kicking the falklanders out.
Last time I took Aerolineas Argentinas (BA to São Paulo), I found a wee worm in my “milanesa”. (Fortunately it wasn't half a worm.) This is not meant to be a joke, it actually happened.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@121
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They gave you a meal? You are lucky. At most we get an alfajor or some cookies.
@108
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Not even the junta was hostile to the Falklands,” Oh shit it was all a dream, it never really happened, it was all fiction made up by the British press, perhaps your dead and our dead can now get out of their graves and go back home to the people who loved and miss them to this day. What fucking planet do you live on! Don't like to swear, but man, you really are something else. Tell you what, next time, your fairies and our fairies will meet at the bottom of the South Atlantic garden and savagely thrash each other with bunches of flowers. When it's all over yor snow queen and our elf king can sit down on a nice comfy toad stool and share a nice cup of hot cocoa together. There isn't that nice. Kiss, Kiss,Kiss.
108
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i think you may be on the wrong blog,
try indocrination.com
@124
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the the Fairy Prince knows the meaning of word. Seems to come from a culture where fairy tales are high on the national curriculum (think I spelled that right).
First Cristina goes to Chile in an effort to stop flights to and from the Falklands and then makes an offer to facilitate flights from Argentinia. She is clearly barking mad.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Curriculum
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You’re Curriculum
Is ok,
But his fairyland is not,
Still//that’s one of the disadvantages of losing, lol.
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121 ynsere (#)
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I almost went to São Paulo with Aerolineas once.... after a 5 hour delay at Ezieza they bused us out and actually put us aboard the wrong plane.... we were all going to Santiago.....
Dumb fucks can't organise buses...what chance for their 'planes.....
126 Bob, wonder if she got back on the right plane home again?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0129 reality check
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really think she flies normal commercial planes?
More like her own personal Gulf Stream, suitably recharged accordingly.
Not really, you don't have to go through customs for a broomstick. Sorry about that, didn't mean to give witches bad name.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@131 Did you know that warlocks flew on pitch-forks and not broomsticks? That's a good pub fact for when the conversation dries up.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0108 fermin
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure what planet you are on man but it isn't this one thats for sure. Not many countries would support us. I think you need to go back to school on that one.
I good way to judge the future, is on the lessons of the past. Sadly the AR's haven't learned from their past.
“What if an Argie flight had 300 argie special forces on board?”
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, guys. Be real. I am Argentinian. Where the hell would we get three hundred special forces??
This government rode the Human Rights horse into the ground, in the process destroying the Armed Forces. Of course, I won't deny they had it coming. After all, it was a military Junta, under drunkard General Galtieri, who invaded the FI in '82. And they did violate human rights all over the place.
It is somewhat ironic, though, that the current government crusade, which pretty much destroyed the military in my country, was just as much a smokescreen as that invasion was.
And, as life is a circle, we are back to square one. With the flag of H.R. torn to shreds by overuse, they need a new distraction and where could they find... ooohhh yesss! Las Malvinas son nuestras, you dirty colonialistic pirates, you!
Of course, square one without a strong arm to wield the ax (and not an ax in sight, either) means that this government can only be a big pain in the ass.
Just one more thing. I know you are angry, and justly so. But we are not “the stupid Argies” as you are not “the thieving Brits” (by the way, people call you “the English” around here. Sorry, Irish, Scott and Welshmen). There are all kind of persons everywhere. Of course going out shouting “I believe in Falklanders self determination” probably wouldn't end well for us. But we are not all the same, and lots of us wish only that sanity will prevail as will the rights of a people who for generations has lived, and worked, and died on and for their land.
134 JMfromA
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit, I wondered where the 300 SFs were coming from. To us, SFs are the SAS or SBS and there are not 300 of those on active service in the UK at any one time.
We are talking government murderers here and brilliant soldiers. The UK relies on these forces in times of crisis when regular troops just cannot do the job. They always shoot to kill, quite rightly.
You make some very interesting & valid comments and I have to admit that in the past I have abused Argies who have abused me, in particular one verminous character who asked if I had got my double dose of Argie semen (up the arse) today.
Still, I have (or tried to) calmed down now in response to my Argentino neighbour and his extended family and friends who come to holiday here in Uruguay. There are lovely people and have shown me that it is the government and their (paid usually) supporters who are the real nut cases.
@134
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree totally with what you say in your last paragraph. It seems that logical debate in these postings is as rare as hen's teeth. Yes, Argentina has its share of idiots but so has the UK., unfortunately they always end up in government in both our countries. It's easy on these forums to post messages full of invective because you can hide behind made up names. In most cases I have no idea where the authors of these posting come from. I am impressed that the identifiable postings from the Argentine are made in English - my Spanish could only cover ordering a meal or reading a road map.
I met some Argentinians and Falkland islanders at a Birdwatching fair last August and found that they spoke to each other in a friendly manner. They both were encouraging tourism to enjoy the wildlife in their respective lands.
I spoke with the Argentinians at length about visiting the country and how a visitor from the UK would be treated. They were charming and well educated people. Even if we had differences of opinion on sensitive matters, we could respect each others point of view. I was certainly contemplating visiting your country and also the Falklands and Chile however, the current situation has made that impossible. At the age of 70, time is not on my side !
I am somewhat losing the thread of this topic but it seems to be the same people ranting at each other like adolescents - we could bomb you etc.
War is not a computer game you can switch off and go to bed. It damages the victors as well as the losers. If you read any of the accounts of the 1982 war you will realise the number of mentally damaged ex combatants still suffering 30 years on. Nationalistic jingoism on both sides will never solve the dispute.
@136 The topic of this thread was that that of an authoritarian president offering up something that she knew would be rejected based upon her current behaviour.
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We've all seen Raymond Briggs' “When the Wind Blows” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090315/) and so we know war sucks nuts.
The logic in this forum is typically there for people to see and based upon objective history. It's the ultimate form of peer review.
@134 It's a pity that more Argentinians don't feel the same as you. I still can't my head around a mentallity that ends up fabricating constant disputes with us, over something that happened over 180 years ago.
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we carried on in that way we would have disputes with virtually every country in europe over land we or they owned “once upon a time”.
Sometimes it's time to let bygones be bygones and move on. The sooner more of your compatriots have the bravery to stand up and say what you have said, the sooner that all parties can just get on with their lives and try to build better relations, while engaging in ever more mutually beneficial trade.
@137 GreekYoghurt
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The topic of this thread was that that of an authoritarian president offering up something that she knew would be rejected based upon her current behaviour”.
Either we are in the presence of a “cunning plan” so brilliant that mortal minds can not comprehend its subtlety’s.
Or we are seeing thinking which is at best fanciful, and/or being driven by ulterior motives, and a policy being made up as they go along accordingly.
There are just a minority Argies on here, that abuse and insult,
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But these seem to he hard core indoctrinated CFK bloggers,
And like her, the support is tiny, the average argentine is ok, I would imaging the real argentine people don’t like her anymore than we do,
But we all know, these hard core elitist, are really lambs in sheep’s clothing .
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140 briton: I don't consider myself indoctrinated (and I believe there are several doctrines anyway). But I do support CFK in a lot of things, and I am not ok with another ones. If you found any insult from me on Mercopress you would be right.
Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, I have recieved a lot of insults in here (mostly from british but also from one or two argentinian, that of course I didn't respond, or responded in a polite way. And just because a way of thinking... just because of honesty...
It would be good if we all left insults a side in here.
And you can be sure that some argentinians do not like CFK at all, but most people support a lot of concrete decisions and her Government has also known how to hear people and what people wants... although you would compare her to a dictator, she is too far from that.
I am a real argentinian, I am not a fanatic blogger, and I am not a fundamentalist. It is not so hard for me to decide between democracy and fascism, that's why I support CFK on Mercopress most of the times.
We are not discussing about hard topics, we are discussing about supporting our democracy or support the ones that tried to take our democratic government in 2008 (media corporations).
141 fermin
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Supporting our democracy or support the ones that tried to take our democratic
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Let’s understand one thing, [you] interpret democracy one way, [we] interpret democracy in another way,
[Eye] do not know your way,
But this is mine,
Democracy is freedom of speech
Freedom to choose
Freedom to decide who governs you,
Freedom to decide who you wish to be,
Freedom of choice,
The people of the British Falklands, have chosen free speech, and freely decided in a freely held referendum who governs them, and have freely decided, who they wish to be,
The result is that the islanders have chosen to be British, [this is democracy]
Argentina refuses to accept this free decision, Argentina rejects there right to choose,
Argentina rejects there right to decide who governs them,, Argentina rejects and refuses them the right of self determination,
[What do you call this argentine policy?]
We call it dictatorship, what do you call it,
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141 fermin
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone's indoctrinated, education itself is a form of “indoctrination”, until you've figured that one out, no point trying to figure out much more, you'll just get it wrong. Like having a math puzzle but missing the crucial numbers.
Yeah 2+2 may equal 5 in Argentina but there's a reason for that.
141 fermin. You are very rigth about some issues, but the main problem is that many argentine goverments (specially this last one) always have behaved seeking their convenience without respect to anybody, issues there are for dozens ; Paraguay is blocked to export energy to Uruguay using argentine soil without any convincing explanation, Uruguay has suffered severe bullying and blocks with the paper mills issue, Chilean exporters has been oblied to obtain a previous grant to sell anything in Argentina all against OMC rules taht Argentina has signed, Peru was betrayed by your goverment in the war with Ecuador by selling weapons while it wasn´t supposed to do it, etc. That´s why nobody with a healthy brain could ever trust in Argentina.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@142 briton:
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Democracy is freedom of speech
Freedom to choose
Freedom to decide who governs you,
Freedom to decide who you wish to be,
Freedom of choice
When the freedom of speech just on the written law and most of the people does not have the opportunity to practice that wright because the media is in the hands of corporations... then how can we call that democracy?? Are you sure CNN or Fox News represent the interests of common people??
This is what Argentinian Government stands for, this is why it gives money to small institutions and organizations and this is why corporations have tried to take this government down.
Do you think that these lies about a threatening Argentina are gonna help the average british people for something? The idea is to sell them CRAP.
For me also. That's why I support this Government in a lot of its policies.
And I am not okey with self-determination, because you cannot choose to rule a land that is not yours!!!
I am really sorry about the scarfs of colonialism, but it is not Argentinian's fault...
And I am sure people living in Malvinas choose a lot of things, but you can be sure that the UK is not letting them choose a million ones. And the land they stand on does not belong to them. It officially belongs to the Queen, and this means A LOT. The UK is little by little putting its feet in larger and larger areas in the SouthAtlantic Ocean. This is getting worse and worse.
It is like if I go to your house and take it and the day after I have a son there... will your house stop being yours because 10, 20 or 30 years went by?
@ 144 Ernie4001: all this things you are naming are really minor issues. Media like Mercopress made a storm in a glass of whater of these things...
You are forgetting that Latinamerica has never been so united and all its governments more compromised between each other. You are naming latinamerican countries, but Argentinian Government has worked so hard to promote commerce. We have never been so United.
Its all part of the plan.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you think you are right, that is your choice,
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we know we are right, the islands are british, and will remain british, untill they say otherwise, full stop .
Total load. This is not a democratic govt, it's autocratic, a veritable cult of personality, surrounded by roadies on political crack.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no independence of powers. The Executive says jump, Congress says how high, and Judiciary picks lint off their collective bellybuttons. Unless of course somebody tries to indict a corrupt official; then, so fast you can't see them, they acquit everybody and go back to lint-picking.
Even if most of us disagree with this govt bullying of a peaceful people, let alone taking armed action against them, the govt is becoming desperate. So I would advice treating them like toxic waste. Its followers too.
145 fermin
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You are forgetting that Latinamerica has never been so united and all its governments more compromised between each other. You are naming latinamerican countries, but Argentinian Government has worked so hard to promote commerce. We have never been so United.”
TWO claims of unity in one paragraph. You sound desperate to me, as if saying it means it is true.
Promoting commerce by protectionist measures? Bullying all the countries in LatAm to declare the Falklands ships out of bounds? Stopping other nations fishing boats in International Waters?
Are you delusional or just stupid?
Wait until CFK really gets frustrated with not having her own way over the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) and the trade restrictions with Brasil, THEN the fur will fly!
What wate of time and resources for the Argentine airline the Falklands
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is just a miserable cold Island with a few Britt villagers nestled with sheep and pigion shit.
@ 150
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be clever and don't waste your time making any comments, then. And you'd better wise up... Argentina government is investing in smokescreen. Yet another distractor for the oncoming crisis.
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