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Daily Telegraph readers’ poll says Falklands ‘should be returned’ to Argentina
According to an ongoing opinion poll among readers of The Telegraph on line, over 55% believe the Falklands/Malvinas should be returned to Argentina, and an estimated 14% say the Islanders should hold a referendum to decide. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe poll was not restricted to British subjects - there was a surge of Argentine interest following publicity
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0here we go....^^ and the explanations to the poll begin...
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I rather hope that the Telegraph takes some stick. A facebook campaign and no restriction on the voters means that Argentina has been handed a golden opportunity to embarrass a British newspaper. They rather deserve it.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was I suppose a 'readers' poll. I bet they've never had so much Argie readership :-)
whatever Tom. I guess as far as you are concerned if the poll's outcome doesn't suit your desired outcome, criticise the poll itself.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good thing it was the Guardian this time around otherwise there would be no stop to some poster's harping
Poorly worded question. If you say “return” it sounds like the Argentinians actually have a claim. Unlike in Argentina the history of the Falklands is'nt part of the National Curriculum for schools.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the poll had been attached to a overview of what is actually going on you would probably get a different question.
Like I keep saying - britain is a very different place now
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0oh come on!!!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guarenteed that if all the papers did the same, then the results would vary greatly! Results of the Daily Mail would be almost the opposite of lets say the Independant!
both RG's and brits shouldnt really be wasting time leaving comments in this forum!
@ 7
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine if it were in the Guardian.... *lol* In a way, consider yourself fortunate
This amount of focus that Argentinians put onto the results of this poll when it was quite clear their twitter users affected the results shows how little argentinians know about science.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, yeah, yeah.....
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 01) poorly worded questions.....
2) If the poll had......
3) the poll was not restricted to Britain...
4) they used twitter..
this reminds of the chuby lad who brought the ball to play football and then took it with him back home when the match didn't progress the way he wanted it to.
I just had a look at the article in the Telegraph myself. The latter comments are dominated by Argentinians, and there are links posted to Argentinian sites.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder the vote said “yes” to give the islands over.
Some of the British readers who posted on the site mentioned this in their comments.
A very clever piece of info-war by Argentine posters. It makes them look they have the upper hand in the argument, when in fact, they don't. The only poll that would have any meaning would be one exclusively to UK citizens.
Helber, why should i consider myself fortunate....did you understand my point??? I dont give a flying f@ck about a newspaper poll. They do the same thing when the elections are due, and it is never really a very good guage on what people actually think or believe. Every now and again they may get it right, however unless you live in the UK you will never know what the man on the street really thinks, and I think you will probably find that the general pub conversation will be very pro defending the falklands!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another fictitious competition from a low-grade paper.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the Argentine chatter about this it would appear half of Argentina voted on it, honestly they should know better than to run something that would so obviously be cheated.
Silly, very silly.
@12
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0consider yourself fortunate because had the poll been run by the Guardian (in all eyes a left leaning paper) chances are the outcome would have been more appalling for the islanders.
Now, no need to get all worked up. count to 10
There is no way that over 50% of UK residents support handing over sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's irrelevant anyway as it the islanders islands and their choice to determine their own sovereignty.
@15 It's irrelevant anyway as it the islanders islands and their choice to determine their own sovereignty.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ermmmm, no it's not!
If the UK were to decide to return the islands to Argentina that would be the end of the issue.
See up until now, the island colonist are not a subject of international law but an object of it. Why do you think they have no permanent seat at the UN GA? Why do you think they cannot sign international treaties? They require GB to do it for them. Ergo, they are an OBJECT NOT A SUBJECT of international law
God helber!!!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 01,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
Still feel the same! Your inability to read and understand works me up more that the above article (read my post @7)
I dont have to feel fortunate because a piss pot with a hole in it has more worth than the afore mentioned poll!
Helber desperate to emphasise the irrelevant again. Like an online poll in the Torygraph really counts for something... hilarious...
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/falkland-islands-another-poll/
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on in - the water's loverly (no- not that Waters :-)
:-)
@17
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand you perfectly well, mate! Your point stands. Where the poll conducted in the Daily Mail the outcome would have been very different (your words not mine).
By the same token, consider what the outcome had been had it taken place in The Guardian....
@18 Nope, not at all JA Roberts. I did not design the poll nor did I host it. BTW, last time I checked the Telegraph was a British paper so, I advise you to take it up with them ;)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! helber, I dont give a shite! You are basically telling me the same thing i wrote previously I.E that each paper will get different results, therefore illustrating that this poll does not represent the british/worlds populations stance on the matter!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0so brit. it looks like I understood you perfectly clear from the very beginning. It was you who claimed I didn't understand you, but clearly it was you who didn't understand my post
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0carry on....
The poll has no bearing on the legitimacy of British rule of the Falklands. Perhaps we should have a poll for the return of Texas to the Mexicans (a more recent historical event), then a poll to return Texas to the Spanish, then a poll to return it to the French, then a poll to return it to the native Indians. Anyway, the poll is a misnomer, the Argentinians never owned it, so how about a poll to return it to the Penguins?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helber, l couldn't care less about a silly poll.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're still not getting your thieving paws on the Falklands.
The truly sad thing is, argentines are celebrating the fact they unashamedly rigged a poll (and openly celebrate this on the sites which demanded readers do so) as some mighty “patriotic victory”.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its a bit like if twilight fans demanded that twilight be seen as the greatest work of fiction because they flood MTV polls with votes for it
In one fell swoop argentina becomes even more delusional and pathetic than both North Korea and frikkin twilight fans
@25 rigged a poll?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0explain how....
Very funny comments lads!!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh come on... just an online poll.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0the fact that numerous argentine sites like taringa (who made their presence and where they came from very well known in the comments section of the poll) linked the poll and ordered their readers to vote.
another clue would be the fact that the very comments section is about 70% spanish and 10-20% argentines making a bad attempt to speak english.
all in all fairly amusing, considering how much your countrymen must still feel the humiliation of defeat, impotence, and irrelevance to pretend that such an obviously rigged poll represents some kind of victory
this poll reminds a bit of the one held by FIFA to choose the all time best footballer. FIFA were expecting Pele to steal the show. To their surprise, Maradona collected many more votes than Pele did so they then had to come out with some other type of competition to award Pele the title of all time best.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 - So, Helber, seems Argentines are fans of flooding this kind of poll.........
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0how can it be rigged by numerous argentines sites, if the poll and it's rules of participation were determined by the Telegraph? In any event, there is no rigging just plain and simple stupid foresight in setting the poll up.
@31
sure mate, 40 million Argentines can out vote 200 million Brazilians. Sure *roll eyes*
@32 I'm utterly convinced you have never studied any kind of Science, as you don't seem to understand the term motivation.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Media polls are typically biased, because of people who have motivation. Motivation differentials are very important in media polls. Argentinians have motivation to vote for Maradonna because, let's face it, they're not very good at sport. Brazillians however, have a lot of good sportsmen who can defend themselves in the sport itself.
This was seen in people voting for Justin Fashnu in the Sportsman of the year award. You also see this occuring heavily in Asia with large percentages of the Filipino population voting for their favourite Korean pop Act in the MTV Europe Awards, where curiously a K-pop Group won because of their motivation.
This is all cognitive dissonance, motivating the Argentinians to vote what they believe to be true, rather than what is in reality, and the root cause of the dissonance. It's simple psychology.
Next time the Telegraph should make it a phone vote on a premium rate number and make huge amounts of cash out of the Argies, because they'd do exactly the same again.
I am a Telegraph subscriber and am trying to use the 'contact us' button on the webpage.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0It does not work and the paper returns the equivalent of a 404 message each time 'Falklands' is entered in the search box.
It seems the site is overwhelmed, I wonder why. For a long time now the Telegraph has been going down market, reporting @celebrity' gossip as news, etc.
This degree of incompetence might just be the last straw for many subscribers.
ALL the other polls taken in the Telegraph show overwhelming support for the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas): this is just a screw-up.
The poll appeared in an article published on the DT website on 29 February. About 8.5% of the votes cast supported handing the islands over to Argentina. The article and poll then dropped off the DT front page - to access it you have to follow several links. Few new votes. Then several Argentinian websites start publishing links to the poll and urging their readers to vote. Its a fix! How very Argentinian!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 They just need to publish the country locations of the IP addresses for all the submissions provided. Any country bumpkin can write a script to do that.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0then you put Votes for, Votes against, main source of for votes, main source of against votes. Or just put a geographic map with the expected massive ball over argentina and little ball over UK.
I'd expect more from the DT than serving up oversimplified stats that mean nowt.
How about holding a poll with Sun readers. If the result came out in favour of Argentina then we would certainly know it was fixed
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just had a poll in my office and only one person voted in favour of Argentine sovereignty. However he is married to an Argentine and that view appears to be part of his marital contract. The Chinese man voted to ensure his quota from the cream cakes provided with the poll and the American just wanted to bomb somewhere.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can not return something to which it has NEVER belonged.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Telegraph says “has been inundated with Argentine voters, clearly the issue is at the level of fanatasism over there”.
Apparently over 50% of the votes have come from Argentina.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Plebs voting in the Untermenschen Murdoch-Newspapers (Sun,Sun on Sunday, Times) are really funny.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Do you think bras are nice?
0898 9302239 Yes (90% of vote)
0898 9302238 No (0% of vote)
0898 9302237 Don't know (10% of vote)
All calls will cost £9 a minute and average call length is 28 minutes”
I always wonder which pleb sub-group votes for 'don't know'. One day I will find out.
Before the British readers get up tight etc., look carefully at the last paragraph
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0However it must be said that media readers’ poll do not have the scientific rigour of an organized public opinion poll from which conclusions can be extracted and much depends on how the question is presented. In this case the word ‘return’ is not indicative of the situation or a neutral position
There is the classic case of a newspaper poll in the USA in 1948 predicting Dewy won the presidency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948
This poll should be taken with a pinch of salt
the writer wrote, GIVE THE ISLANDS BACK not give it to them, Read well mates, GIVE IT BACK TO THE ARGENTINEANS . i that to difficult for you to understand Greekyoughurt ? Islands stolen...
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0And another few interesting facts -
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The poll can not be found on the Telegraph website in the UK, only on the international website.
It is anonymous. You can vote from any country, other than the UK and as many times as you like.
Sounds like a real poll then. The chumps in Argentina will be swinging through the trees at this. They understand how these polls work, it's how they elect their president.
So Helber, by your idiotic and rather patronising nature I assume you believe this Telegraph poll should be officially used by the UN in “resolving” the dispute or it provides enough evidence that you and your country's “claim” is legitimate. I dont particularly care who voted in the poll, where they come from and what their views are. The only people who should ever have the final say in a “dispute” are the ones who will be affected the most, and in this particular case that is the islanders, the people who live and work in the Falklands.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The people of Argentina, Britain, the US, Brazil, or wherever are not affecting by the so-called “Falklands dispute”, their day-to-day lives are not affected or impeded. But forcing the Falkland Islanders against their will and to impose a foreign power on them would affect their lives in a hugely detrimental way.
The Falkland Islanders have made the Falklands what they are and they are the ones who will keep moving the Falklands forward, therefore those islands belong to those people. We have been here for nearly 200 years and we will be staying here.
Only the Islanders can determine their fate. No one else.
TO MAKE THIS CLEAR TO THE FASCISTS OUT THERE -
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0YOU CAN ONLY VOTE ON THIS POLL OUTSIDE THE UK.
THEREFORE NOT AN OPINION OF BRITISH PEOPLE.
IF I VOTE ON AN ARGENTINE NEWSPAPERS POLL - ONLY AVAILABLE TO INTERNATIONAL READERS AND VOTE MULTIPLE TIMES, ALONG WITH MY FRIENDS....
DOES THAT CONSTITUTE THE VIEWS OF THE ARGENTINE POPULATION?
Sorry, its not correct that you could only vote on this outside the UK. It WAS on the national website on 29 Feb, and you could vote on it from the UK - I did. The point is that it then fell off the DT front page, and people then stopped voting, until some Argentinian troll started posting links to it, with the predictable result.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0... (http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/08/article-1315490353214-0DC562C100000578-613015_466x310.jpg)
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some family resemblance, but looks too clever....
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The very last paragraph is the best evidence that Argentina's strategy is working perfectly well. How to deny, disguise and try to distort reality? Read Mercopress!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then roger waters was suffering the alcohol effects and Morrisey was cocained, and all the English who voted there were not able to drive a car...
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English, your empire is falling. your lies too.
@51
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Como dijo el rey a chavez, a ver si te callas de una vez!
Allthough i recognize that i like to heard this kind of news that reffer to the dispute for the islands, anyway i can't be so inocent, 25000 voters means nothing, (i'm not saying nothing new). Beside, nor the u. n, nor the international comunity never asked the u. k. to return the islands to argentina, all the resolutions only call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, and find a fair solution, and that's what the u. k. and the islanders reject sistematicly, arguing partial truthes, twisting some facts of the reality, and victimizing only their side with out making any critic for their behaviour.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, there is a very important point in this small article, it reffers to the lack of neutrality, please, we must stop with that hipocresy, nobody is neuter, everybody takes a side in all the issues and it's absolutly respectable, the diference betwen the people, is that some of them are honest, tell the whole history and take a posture, and there are others, who are just hipocrite who tell only what is convenient for them, omiting important facts of the reality.
What's all this s**t about RETURNING the Falklands Islands to Argentina anyway?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can they be returned?
They weren't Argentina's in the first place!! Come on, Typical of the DT to get even the simpliest of facts wrong!
Means nothing, Pole was online giving worldwide audience, not restricted to the uk, which had not been explained in your article giving the misleading view that uk supports Argentinas claim, when it is obvious Argentina are swamping these poles, Wakey, wakey
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the same pole but UK restricted , then we will see a difference.
question after reading your article i went straight to the vote not even reading the article, does that make me a telegraph reader?
The poll was worldwide. Guess who voted. Hey, I voted twice, ..from Argentina.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the poll was dominated by Argentine “trolls” uh? Delusional kelpers... you can write here all you want but you KNOW that many in the homeland do not support your view on the sovereignty of the land you occupy and are tired of spending good money on a whim of 3000 'citizens'... when the crisis really hits then your support in the UK will be put to the test. Not long now, just a few more months...
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem with the Poll, officer? (http://pardonmyaddiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/troll-face.jpg)
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...funny watching this, both sides: ”lies, lies, all lies!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0map you might want to look at the comment above yours that answers your question about trolls and he voted twice, for some reason he even felt the need to ask me who voted, after i already told him argentines got a hard on and voted on mass with the promise of food vouchers from his government. so knock yourselves out that fact that it is WORLDWIDE availablity makes it even more irrelevant ,as the last say over your claim is the Falklanders decision solely, go to as many poles as you like you will never beat mine which is in my garden with the Union Jack and the jolly roger flying proud with an argies head on the top.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57. There are some in the UK who are just waiting for a deal to be put together to extract oil from the Falkland Island Economic Exclusion Zone. The revenue this will generate will significantly reduce the cost of maintaining the garrison and the need for subsidies to the islands. At that point I expect that the UK population as a whole, in so far as they think anything about it at all, will have no reason to not question that the Islanders are the legitimate occupants of the islands.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 i second that, what the argentines are doing is another case of underhanded tactics which we are accustomed, and will be proudly trumpeted in their own country however what some refuse to acknowledge is that the pole has worldwide availability and that anybody can vote numerous times, if their people genuinely want to base their arguement on that then you have to start questioning their grasp on truth.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 I'm not convinced that there is a great cost of maintining the garrison there. Other than it stimulating the local economy into diversifying it's food production, these guys would be sat in other parts of the UK (Scotland, Wales) or even Norway, Canada or Guyana doing training in different climates. Just having access to a facility like Mount Pleasant is worth the money.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just remember folks, it's your vote that counts, so don't hesitate, go for it here (a totally unbiased poll :-)
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/
As an aside, I just tried to get to the poll on the DT website but the paper's own link to the South America section was broken. Has cyber warfare broken out?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The poll was rigged. It's confirmed now:
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/14173733/Voten-rapido_-para-que-las-Islas-Malvinas-vuelvan-_Clarin_.html
@66 If you cannot win at war, and you cannot win at sport without cheating, and the only thing left for their pride is to win an online poll.... then I say let them win.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whatever the cost it is a vital part of the Falklands long term security and worth every penny, which was being funded long before oil was an issue and will be long after oil has gone. Which shows The recent motives of both countries regarding the islands, For argentina its badly needed resources with soverignty as its side issue,for UK it is the people and their soverign territory as it always has been long before oil was a issue and remains so. I would like to see the Falkland govt. give permission for a small UK naval base simply for defence vessels permant;y based. which could enforce fishing restrictions and swiftly defend The british population
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An extract from the answer to a parliamentary question a few years back said in £m the costs were:
Operating costs
Personnel 31.5
Infrastructure 10.4
Consumables (including fuel) 13.2
Equipment Support 3.3
Contract Support 9.3
Receipts -2.4
Non-cash costs
Depreciation 38.4
Cost of capital 9.4
The garrison must have been a commitment that was taken into account when the future size of the armed forces was calculated during the last the Strategic Defence Review. In the short term they would be moved elsewhere but in the longer term the numbers would doubtless be cut.
@61 Be honest now, do you really think that Brazil is going to allow UK oil extraction on its backyard...? Argentina economic blockade of british goods is a joke, I admit it... but a blockade from Brazil, and the other UNASUR nations, but mainly Brazil... is going to be a world of pain for UK. And that is a fact, not because Brazil is a fan of the Argentine cause, but because Brazil's Petrobras is the key player in the industry on LATAM.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why do you think they have no permanent seat at the UN GA? Why do you think they cannot sign international treaties?”.
Because they are not an independent nation but could declare themselves as one tomorrow.
also its not “return” its “gift” you the FI. youve never had them (other than by invasion - twice) remember?
Good poll BTW. gives the RG's more ammunition to get their troops ready and invade again because 55% of the UK population couldnt care anyway.
Out Typhoons and Tomahawks will see you soon Amigos.
@69 I'm not denying that it costs money to keep a battalion of troops, I'm just saying that it costs money to keep them anywhere. The intrinsic cost of keeping them in Falklands is just a matter of flying them around and the Typhoons not being in active service elsewhere, but they're only 20 hours from the middle east, so that's fine.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 So from your description Argentina is a parasite that leeches off Brazil and in itself has no value whatsoever. Brazil is expected to uphold all of Argentina's foreign policy whims and Petrobras is expected to be really angry about the oil that Argentina isn't getting from someone else's land??
Seriously, do you know about YPF-REPSOL? Argentina cannot even get it's own oil out of the ground... and Petrobras wouldn't touch Argentina with a pooey stick. So why do you think it cares about this? Other than it might be able to work with the FI oil companies to mutual gain.
You argentinians really offer the Latams nothing and you expect them to care?
@70
Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, right.
I can just see the debate now: “lets leave $180b of untapped oil in the ground because the Brazilians will be upset about it”.
The US and the FI/UK are already in talks about the oil and one or two Yank firms are lining up to help us out. I posted a link about it the other day. aybe we can all come to an agreement with the Brazilians, because one things for sure the RG's walked away from it all a year or two ago and will be getting NOTHING!.
@72 The internet has a vast amount of information available, you should try google a bit before you post, otherwise you just look silly. Here is a snip of Petrobras presence in Argentina:
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrobras_Argentina
From my description you should try to understand that business is what matters right now in the world... and your presence there its not good business for anyone except you... and you are just 3000 w*nkers, less than a quarter the population of my neighbourhood.
@70
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the islands were in Brazil's back yard we would be discussing their sovereignty claim not Argentina's. I do like your colonial big power thinking though as it clearly chimes with my own and many of the other UK posters.
UK the State doesn't extract much oil, having no nationalised oil company, though companies quoted on the UK stock exchange and with head offices in UK are in business to do so. I thought the word was that these smaller companies were on the lookout for a bigger partner to come in with them; a partner unlikely to be based in the UK and more likely based in the US. But I warm to you idea of a regional superpower with a backyard the size of the South Atlantic. Is Petrobras an option do you think?
@74 I know what Petrobras is and isn't. I just don't have a clue what it has to do with this, other than your insistence that Petrobras is under Argentinian control because of some parasitic dominance that you have over Brazil. No oil company would go near Argentina other than a Spanish company, because Spain is bankrupt. Petrobras clearly has no interest in Argentina, and clearly has no interest in your petty greed for someone elses oil. They have more chance of getting involved without the Argentines in the Falklands.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, business matters. Argentina does very little business unless it's on their terms, and even then it's all barter or cash on delivery because you're massively untrustworthy.
@75 A little read on current geopolitics wouldn't harm you lad... all of of LATAM is on Brazil's backyard now, they have surpassed the UK as world power by the amount of trade they generate and are demanding a seat at the UN Sec Council... a request that could not be ignored forever.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that the companies extracting Oil in the south atlantic pay their taxes in the UK instead of Brazil or Arg (which is a very good trade partner of Brazil, more money in AR means more buy from BR) its no something our big brother will permit... I have no problem to admit this, its a fact. Brazil soon will have a military deterrent which might not be nuclear (which is a brutality anyway) but will enable the whole region to say GTFO my resources to any trigger happy regime like the UK.
@77 So in summary, Argentina is a parasitic organism feeding off the larger power Brazil, a relationship in which it thinks it is in control.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you want to explain why Argentina controls Brazil's foreign policy?
@78 Either cut back on the medication or for Gods sake, take some more... Argentina is not in control of BR foreign policy. We are happy to have a customer right next door that buys our produce because he can, and we buy from them as well things that our industry doesn't have... BUT their volume is huge, because their industry is huge and their population is huge. I can say that we are indeed the lesser party in the relationship of commerce that exists, and we profit by selling to BR. Also BR companies, such as Petrobras make profit here in AR. At least we are not a war poodle of a major superpower, more like a commerce poodle of one.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MAP seems to have become more and more deluded the more he has written on this thread.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do Argentines just make stuff up expecting the rest of the world to believe every word?
@77
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't stop commenting like this. The language of national domination is so stimulating, not at all like the language of the school playground ,don't you agree?
I don't want to be pedantic but as yet no one is extracting any oil, they are only exploring for it although we do seem to be about to make the transition from one phase to the other. That's what makes it all so interesting and why the debate has obviously heated up. All I asked was if Petrobras was an option. You obviously think not.
As for geopolitics, I have plenty of time on my hands so I'll have a good read around to work out where the next threat to regional peace and world trade is coming from. Meanwhile if you have five minutes to spare, have a read of this and let us know what you think (in English of course).
http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/9962/Fuelling-the-Rise-of-the-Anglosphere
@2,4,8,10,14,16,20,22,26,30 & 32 Hi, half-breed.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you are so keen on the results of polls, you are a good person to whom I can report the results of a recent poll I conducted in my street.
The question was: Do you think argies are cheating, underhanded, mendacious cowards? 68% said “Yes”! Going round again in order to get feedback, it turned out that one-third of those polled didn't understand the word “mendacious”. So, once the result had been updated, it seemed that 102% would actually have said “Yes”! But that was because I polled the postman as well! So much for polls, eh?
@53 What an erudite comment! Do you know, I think your English is actually getting worse! That's strange, really, because use of a language over a period generally makes most people more proficient. Especially “teachers”! But you're wrong about one thing at least. You're “neuter”.
@57 You're right!!!! I think. Hang on, just let me check. Yep, you are right. Just a few more months and the acid in the capsule will have eaten all the way through and the “device” in the “cesspit” will be triggered. Are you in the “cesspit”? Don't seem to have a note of which “cesspit”. I remember now. The chap we sent in got to make his own choice from a number of sealed envelopes. Even we don't know where it is. Somewhere near a river, I think.
@70 Oh yeah. I'd really like to see Brazil go for some sort of action, in international waters, because that's the only place it could be done. I can just see the Brazilian fleet sailing out to “interfere” with a convoy of tankers routed up the West African coast. Each one carrying two Apache gun-ships as protection. You do know what an Apache can do to a tank, don't you? They don't armour warships the way they armour tanks, you know. One pass = no more bridge crew. Second pass would probably rip the gun right off the foredeck. I suppose you know that Brazil's aircraft carrier is 40 years old? And all its frigates are British-built?
@79 Brazil is currently getting nothing in the way of refinery products from Argentina because of Argentina's aggressive economic isolationism, leading to a trade deficit. Yet, Brazil has 13 sizeable refineries. Falkland has Zero refineries. So... Where do you think the Falklands oil is going to go to get refined?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It could go to the UK, USA or some could go somewhere closer, e.g. Brazil. Leading to a nice amount of trade between Brazil and the Falklands, and there is absolutely nothing you could do about it. The irony is, before Nestor stormed out of negotiations, it was quite likely that it could have gone to Argentina.
Poor you, like a leech on the side of Brazil, with no power in the world.
@81 Its not surprising at all for me that the UK puts money in fossil fuel instead of research on renewable energy, its a tremendous lack of vision that will empower them on the short term, but will weaken them in the long haul because you know... fossil fuels will be exhausted eventually. UK needs money, quick. The move on Malvinas oil is a move precisely in that direction... it could work in the latter stage of fossil fuel, when the resource becomes very scarce and so it could be profitable to extract without continental support and despite all commercial sanctions by trade partners in LATAM and other locations as well.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the GDP per capita statistic you know it means nothing... you could have a tremendous amount of poor and unemployed in your country but if you balance the number with a few extremely rich corrupted pricks, then the statistic looks just fine, doesn't it? I will not comment the sovereignty part because the fellow writing this 'article' is hardly qualified to comment on the matter.
To sum it up, this article is arrogant anglo rubbish.
@84. My dogs are in need of a walk on the beach so I'll thank you for your response and bid you farewell on this thread.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks 66 egarcia1970 (#) for the view from the other side of the hill.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is worth realising that the Argentinians who “bombed” the poll are aware of the actual strength of UK public opinion against them.
This is lifed from Taringa, and translated:
“@ holahola Hace 3 días +2
Unfortunately the British public opinion on the subject is very solid .. before the war there was discussion of how to solve the problem ..
maybe in time .. God knows. ”
My response is: Think again. NO SURRENDER.
@84 The Fraternity of Atlantic Territories (FAT) like Iceland, Greenland, the UK, Ireland and Falklands don't need continental help. We're happy doing Atlantic things, without your help.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing arrogant about the FAT not wanting you in our Atlantic. What is arrogant is you demanding South Georgia, South Sandwich Island, South Orkneys and Falklands. Do you want to explain why you think you own South Georgia, what's the logic there?
Argentina is now Brazil's curious leech. Leechity Leech leech?
@84 Really? In that case, why are you bothered about Petrobras? Surely that is Brazil putting money into fossil fuel? By the way, the UK isn't putting money into fossil fuel in the South Atlantic. Private companies are. So I guess they see a potential profit. Could it have anything to do with all those metal boxes on wheels so many countries like to create? Fortunately for the Falkland Islands the revenue from the extraction of that “nasty” fossil fuel will be going to them and not the UK.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure you know anything about the subject? You seem to have departed from reality on a number of points.
@87 The only person worth debating is now walking alongside his/hers dogs on the beach. You are just a bitter troll. Goodbye.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MAP, we need money but not quick. Most of our debt doesn't mature for another 20 years or so, and defending the Falklands costs maybe 1% of our military budget. There's a reason why we have a AAA rating and a reason why Argentina can't borrow any money - not even from the IMF now. Argentina's going to be a car crash when the chickens come home to roost. Your inflation is already 30-40% and could hit over 100% within a couple of years. No wonder CFK is trying to distract you with neo-colonialism.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88 Problem Argie? (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120106052215/villains/images/c/c4/TrollFaceDancing.gif)
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89 I did suggest that the falklands become the centre of research into sustainable energy production, but I guess the likelihood of them wanting massive towering wind farms is unlikely... but they do have a lot of wind... water.. and sheep poo. They really need some kind of University of Falklands in order to make the most of this valuable research. Imagine how many professors you could get to work there if you made it tax-free!
The Telegraph poll :
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Actually the numbers are:
1) Yes 60.25% (16,646 votes)
2) No 26.4% (7,296 votes)
3) Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 13.34% (3,687 votes)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html
Is funny how few individuals try to skew the results because a blogger published a post in Taringa inviting your friends to vote ...... it seems that this teenager has about 16.000 friends?
brits......very basic thoughts and analysis, is pathetic.
UK need to be more civilized and accept reality, Malvinas are Argentine and only they´re illegally occupied through our dear suqatters ....
Everybody knows that, don´t fool yoursleves and act with dignity returning what you stole from a young nation in 1833.
Educated people in UK already vote in the pull.......as well LATAM, OAS, UN, C-24, G-77 + china, CELAC, etc.etc.etc.
“Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
YES ! THE WORLD IS ASKING
The results of the Telegraph poll should be taken with a pinch of salt!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Refer to my posting #42
@92 “UK need to be more civilized and accept reality, Malvinas are Argentine and only they´re illegally occupied through our dear suqatters” technically that's not reality, that's an argentinian 'fantasy'.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer to your question is that they are unable to return anything the argentina because we never took anything from you. So I guess the question is logically flawed. There is no answer to what the world is asking.
@92: “Is funny how few individuals try to skew the results because a blogger published a post in Taringa inviting your friends to vote ...... it seems that this teenager has about 16.000 friends?”
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dude... Alexa ranks Taringa #9 in Argentina and #169 worldwide! It has a HUGE readership. More than enough to explain the results.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/taringa.net
If you feculent argie wantwits think that the FLers cause is so unpopular in the UK, and think the world will back you, why don't you try something? Come on, time to call the dog out. Are you all sans-testicles? Stop whining like five year olds and do something. Or just stop your constant twaddle.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, you mean that “alexa” certainly has more power than millions of Britons who read the Telegraph and were eventually outraged by this “trap” survey biased for alexa ??
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And no one of them made no effort calling for the British community to vote against ? thats folllowing your logic isn´t ???
I tell you one example for your analsys....
In this site everybody knows a resident liar (Roger Lorton) who also he´s doing a survey and so far won more than 200 votes ...... important to highlight that this clown write lie after lie and publishes rubish for years and years .... but no. at your logic again----- this alexa guy from Taringa....(Taringa !!!) has more drawing power than 60 million Britons.
Children's reasoning don´t you think?
Is not easier to accept that in fact public opinion in general (including UK ) wants the british return the Malvinas to its rightful owners ? Argentina
garcia amigo...., you're so basic too.
52 DJ56 are my words hurting you much ?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 “So, you mean that “alexa” certainly has more power than millions of Britons who read the Telegraph and were eventually outraged by this “trap” survey biased for alexa ??”
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem confused. Alexa is not a “guy from Taringa”, it's a company specialized in web metrics/traffic. Alexa tells us Taringa is the #9 site in Argentina and the #169 IN THE WORLD. The Telegraph on the other hand ranks #23 in the UK and #249 worldwide. Besides, not all 60 million Britons read it, online or otherwise. So yes, I think Taringa has more than enough followers to skew the results.
fe de erratas, i mean “gargamus” the guy blogger from Taringa who made the invitation.... not alexa.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the issue still is on the table.....“gargamus” dont have the power for change anything...
You suggesting that complete Taringa with his 169# rank´s position is behind this poll and biasing the results don´t have sense.....at all.
TWIMC
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I mentioned before, this little “teaser” from the Telegraph (with a few Argentinean votes) was just the precursor of many to come……
It will be nice to see the result of professional, independent and unbiased polls taken by Britons on Britons in Britain….
It will spell the end of the current situation of “the tail wagging the dog”
Time now to analyze the funny British glozes and cajoleries ….:
(1) Lord Ton : ”The poll was not restricted to British subjects - there was a surge of Argentine interest following publicity
Yeahhh and?
(5) shb: If the poll had been attached to a overview of what is actually going on you would probably get a different question.”
Yeahhh and?
(15) Idlehands:
”It's irrelevant anyway as it the islanders islands and their choice to determine their own sovereignty.”
Wrong, the squatters in Malvinas are Citizen of Great Britain and Subject of the Queen and as such they don’t have any more rights than the citizens of Pocklington.
Anti fascist 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc:
”Telegraph says “has been inundated with Argentine voters.”
”The poll can not be found on the Telegraph website in the UK”
”You can vote from any country, other than the UK and as many times as you like.”
All Porkies…………….
(45) M_of_FI:
”Only the Islanders can determine their fate. No one else.”
Wrong, you squatters in Malvinas are Citizen of Great Britain and Subject of the Queen and as such you don´t have any more rights than the citizens of Pocklington.
PS: Latest results from The Telegraph Poll:
Yes: 60.37% (16,746 votes)
No: 26.32% (7,301 votes)
Surely if you want to prove/disprove the poll, you'd run it again. This time, UK voters only.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That way, you'd know the result without having to argue about it's validity.
Wouldn't stop some though.
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?“
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the Falklands have NEVER been part of Argentina, that would be impossible. It's a leading question, requiring a predetermined outcome, geared at raising the profile in the Telegraph's international readership.
I have yet to find a link to the poll.
Having searched google and the UK telegraph website I can't find it.
All I can find is news about it, which are that ”Argentines have inundated the website with votes“.
It doesn't seem that you can vote from the UK and as with any Internet vote you CAN vote MULTIPLE times. All you have to do is clear out your ”cookies” cache.
I know many people in the UK who even know the Falklands is back in the news. Hardly anyone knows the history of the Falklands. But you would be very wrong if you believe people want to see the islands given away against the wishes of the people who live there, to a country that invaded them and has been holding a gun to their head for the past 30 years.
Very, very wrong.
Anyone who believes that, knows very little about the real Britain, or the British people.
http://tiny.cc/BoFe2b
So has anyone got the link to this poll, if it can actually be accessed in the UK?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@101 Squatter Think,
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again, old chap.
Only the lslanders can determine their fate, NO ONE ELSE.
lts got nothing to do with you, so butt out.
Latest update, since Think posted the results “Yes” gained 199 votes against “18” votes for NO.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 60.6% (16,945 votes)
No 26.17% (7,319 votes)
Impressive!
C'mon Brits, this is your beloved conservative Telegraph not The Guardian.
Having finally managed to retrieve my subscription from the Telegraph (it has been running very badly all day, no doubt due to this fiasco) I managed to view the letters page.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not surprisingly, there are no supporters AT ALL for the Argentinian position. When you read the comments posted on the letters page they are as follows:
You can rely on a good whine from Argentina once every thirty years. (46 likes)
Is that due to sour grapes? (26 likes)
Or counter currants? (5 likes)
I am starting my own boycott of Argentine produce, be it wine, fruit, meat or whatever. Just means a close inspection of packaging to establish country of origin. Why the hell do we import grapes from them? Totally unnecessary anyway. (22 likes)
Chilean Wine is far superior in any event. (10 likes)
When you look at he posters on the poll site they are predominantly LatAms.
The Telegraph has fcuked up badly on this and let the Argie hordes in!
What more can be said.
This poll can't be voted on in the UK. Looked for it all day. The FIers don't need anyone to tell them that we have their back. They are British. That is enough to know. We started WWII over an invasion of Poland. Imagine what we would do for our own kin.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 “My name is Argentina: for we are many.”
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the link CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET ?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or ONLY AVAILABLE in the South Atlantic?
No one has posted it and I can't find it. Neither can any of my friends on facebook.
Strange.
@110 By the South Atlantic, I guess you mean the Southern Part of the Atlantic, where all the Atlantic Nations live together in peace, separated from the evil corruption of the Latams?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Ragemar
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what will be that?
Anyway how embarrassing Mohammeds cannot win a poll even on their soil.
I would like to know what would be the poll’s result of the following question:
Shaira Law in Britain?
Today 04:04 AM [editor]
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the survey was sabotaged.
Within 24 hours the option to “return the islands” went from 5% tomore than 58% and rising. Probably through some program isautomatically voting for that option.
Editors should check that detail.
In the newspaper La Nacion of Buenos Aires had the same problem.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/133...
[Perhaps only fools really believe what they read in the papers, are really true ??
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@112
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, and in English this time....
Return the islands?
Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands has existed far longer than Argentina and NEVER belonged to Argentina.
I still have yet to see the link for this poll.
I plan to vote multiple times.
I don't understand why the press talk about this stupid poll! It is obvious it was manipulated. I saw the poll three days later and it said that 20% of british were in favour of returning the islands to Argentina. The numbers changed after some argentines told their followers on twitter to make a massive voting to have fun. It's incredible how press make all this fuss just for an on-line poll.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, 20% of british in favour of returning the islands in a ultranationalistic newspaper is an interesting number to make some analisis.
116 JORGE1982
Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha calling the Telegraph ultra nationalist.
It is owned by globalists. The same kind that own all the newspapers, including yours. They don't care what flag you live under, so long as you live under their thumb!
May be their readers are ultranationalistic. The thing is that they are not like other newspapers like The Guardian for instance.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0115 Anti-Fascist
Mar 06th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I still have yet to see the link for this poll”
Let me help you..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html
You said “I plan to vote multiple times”
Good luck...
@ 114 Ragemar
Mar 06th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hallo Islander!
“This is the lesson U had to learn
This is the treasure U had to earn
U r the owner of nowhere land
Queen of a castle that's made of sand
Staring in front of the Atlantic
Maybe someday U 'll be someone else
U sure will do it, but till' that day
There U on the Island U r just a castaway”
Now let’s put some music on it and voila you can dance now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mr6nQxo8PU
BTW did you eat your daily kebab ration?
I have changed my mind. I agree with any English man who sees UK a promised land as he describes in this interview( Roger Waters)
Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/espectaculos/musica/Roger-Waters-relativizo-dichos-Malvinas_0_658134422.html
Telegraph poll made news in Argentinean newspapers too :-)
Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
”Entonces, la sorpresa. Ante la pregunta: “ ¿Debería Gran Bretaña devolver las Islas Falklands a la Argentina?”, el 57% de las respuestas fueron “Sí”y menos del 30 por ciento (28,43%) dijeron “No
http://www.clarin.com/politica/sondeo-britanicos-quieren-devolver-Malvinas_0_658134214.html
@ think and the other Malvinistas.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you really want to delude yourselves that our determination to resist your fascist land grabbing has collapsed, go ahead and make the same mistake Galtieri did.
Now that the poll has be skewed by your lot, you can only really go on the the earlier results of the poll.
Only 22% want to give the islands to you (there are plenty of Argentinians who don't care about taking them off us). The overwhelming majority want them to remain British, or, more importantly, belive that the Falklanders should have the final word about which country they want to be affiliated with.
I would stop banging on about the poll if I were you. All it proves is that Argentinians want to steal the Falklands.
@123 shb,
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The whole scenario is a trap to get them to attack again.
1) All these supposedly popular has-beens telling them what they want to hear.
2) No carriers available.
3) No Harriers.
4) Rigged polls.
5) Their neighbours false support.
Wouldn't surprise me if MI6 were behind all this! lol, lol, lol!
Next minute they've launched an invasion & the trap is sprung.
Well, they believe we have a nuclear base in the Falklands.
Maybe we do!!!!!!!!!
maybe the telegraph should just stop running polls altogether given their shortsightedness and there inability to plan one which will produce a 'serious' outcome.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, given their gaffe at organising a poll I am afraid they couldn't even play hide and seek.
101 - Think
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it is just that simply why have Argentina not been able to capitalise on its moral correctness? Is it down to sheer incompetence on the Argentine side? Or is it down to the fact that the people of the Falklands have the right to self-determination as stated recently by the UN?
Squatters? Why don’t you give Argentina back to the natives Think? You know your argument doesn’t stand. It is quite pathetic really. The whole world is realising it. There has been a massive surge in pro Falkland Islander articles all around the World, and we have to thank the Argentina Government for forcing to the issue to the extent that everyone wants to know the Islander's thoughts, as we are the people who live in the Falklands.
view your displeasure of the telegraph polls
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/about-us/form/
let them have it!
the Mercopress articles sentences structures/styles are the same/similair as The Daily Telegraph has.....!
Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Telegraph poll :
Mar 06th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Actually the numbers are:
1) Yes 61.16% (17,491 votes)
2) No 25.78% (7,373 votes)
3) Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 13.06% (3,736 votes)
For those interested to know how importan is the Malvinas issue in Argentina, there is a poll from a local media....so everybody can see that for average people is important enough and not a simple tool used for the gov....(any of them past, present and future).
http://www.infobae.com/encuestas/5159-Cuan-importante-es-para-usted-la-cuestion-de-las-Islas-Malvinas
129 so_far
Mar 06th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having been indoctrinated from an early age at school about the mM (mythical Malvinas) I would be very disappointed if the poll was any different.
It still does not alter the fact that the mM do not exist, the Falklands are not yours and the Falklanders will have the ONLY say as to what happens about sovereignty and their postion viz-a-vis self-determination.
So your poll is just as useless as the Telegraph one. :o)
“Will no one listen to us Falkland Islanders?”
Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falk what Roger? You are an Englishman(Brinkworth, Wiltshire)
That's right no one will listen to an archaic colonial government, go cry at church.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/06/no-one-listen-falkland-islanders?newsfeed=true
Laughable. Clearly The Telegraph should have blocked voters from Argentina. In my considerable experience only a tiny percentage of Britons, mostly a handful of pathetic publicity-seeking, poorly educated losers like Morrissey, the extreme masochistic self-hating leftists of the so-called 'Socialist Workers Party' and their ilk, swallow Argentina's 'anti-colonialist' and 'anti-imperialist' twaddle. Don't kid yourselves 'malvinists', or whatever tf you call yourselves, the vast majority of the British public, across the political spectrum, from Guardianistas to the BNP, fully support the Falkland Islanders' right to their islands and their self-determination. Doubt this at your peril.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0124 lsolde
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s called entrapment,
But getting these uneducated to play along, is like frying a steak upside down ??
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Will they take the bait? Now that is the question! lol
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ah, the inflated question,
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/2 way across and run out of fuel lol.
The Telegraph has fcuked up badly on this and let the Argie hordes in!
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What more can be said.
Well,well chris...The Argentines are outsmarting the brits.......Signs of a decaying nation...........How long before........
Malvinero, Just a little nudge but you forgot to go AHAHAHAHHHHHHHH etc etc etc
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0*yawn*... this means nothing. People don't seem to understand the issue here. The poll is MEANINGLESS. The people of the UK cannot decide the fate of the Islanders. The people of Argentina cannot decide the fate of the Islanders. ONLY THE ISLANDERS have the right to decide their future. What if we conducted a poll on whether China should be allowed to own Nepal and China flooded the poll with its huge population? Does that mean Nepal should be Chinese? No. This wasn't even worth a mention on Mercopress.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stefan, I couldnt agree more!
Mar 07th, 2012 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf the poll was for anyone, the whole world could have voted.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf the poll was for the UK only(who don't have the right to give the Falklands to anyone), then the Argentines should not have voted.
But of course they did!
Would we expect otherwise from such honest, “peaceful”people? lol.
The Telegraph poll :
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Actually the numbers are:
1) Yes 61.65% (17,939 votes) .....and growing.
2) No 25.47% (7,410 votes)
3) Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.88% (3,749 votes)
Are we still discussing whether these islands that thousands of miles away from UK are or aren't from UK? For sure they are as much as TEA or the LYON that We use as a symbol ARE FROM ENGLAND!! As matter of fact, everything is English even YOU
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( By the way, I was diagnosed with SERVANT ROYAL SYNDROME or SRS, that is has been around for 400 years. The UN is working to cure the world of this illness, but it is only possible when individuals have a Average IQ)
The poll that counts can be taken by penguin press from Port Stanley and includes 3000 people. Please don't included the 250-300 Chileans in the vote so that it is not deemed rigged. Also please invite the guy with the Argentinian passport to vote, The Falklands are a free society and self governing democracy. 99.997% wish to stay British, 0.003% Argentinian outcome.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argie bloggers just cling to straws,
Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the islanders are safe, its argentina that needs to worry .
140 lsolde, stop complaining and vote.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Telegraph poll :
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 61.88% (18,160 votes)
No 25.31% (7,427 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.82% (3,762 votes)
New poll
Mar 08th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Telegraph poll :
“Should Argentineans return the land to the original owners, and re-emigrate back to where they came from ?”
Yes 61.88% (18,160 votes)
No 25.31% (7,427 votes)
bye then .
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For some more views on this issue I suggest the readers look at
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://news.liv.ac.uk/2012/03/07/varied-views-towards-the-falkland-islands-dispute/
Interesting from the Unibverssity of Liverpool
@145MarcosAlejandro,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0l'm not complaining, Marcos & l always vote.
Why should l complain?
l have a good life now, although this wasn't always so.
l live in a free country.
l have a loving family & good neighbours.
Lastly l am not poor.
Everyday l thank the Lord for his/her benevolence.
148 lsolde You sound like you married an Argentinian, good for you :-)
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DLfwlVIA5k&feature=related
What country? Did you move back to UK?
149
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interest we thought you were british, after all the suport you give them,
ha
The Telegraph poll :
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Actually the numbers are:
1) Yes 62.3% (18,558 votes) ....still growing.
2) No 25.03% (7,455 votes)
3) Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.68% (3,776 votes)
18,558 votes out of 60 od million, fantastic,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that means what, abt 99 % no then ...
@149 Marcos,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not Argentine, no.
The rest is classified information♥
@151 so_far,
As we all know now, its was a rigged poll with thousands of Argentines voting.
Now even your feeble brain must realise how they voted. Moron.
As we all know now, its was a rigged poll with thousands of Argentines voting.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now even your feeble brain must realise how they voted. Moron.
Ahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaa,So the Argentines outsmart the fascist brits.
Oopps I almost forgot: To brit abroad: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
I have written twice befor that this pole has no scientific validity.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The results are highly biased and skewed. Newspaper polls are not at all reliable.
@Malverino - planning any more ethnic cleansing? I suggest you look at your lots plans for doing that in 1982, if you had beaten us. Now think why we won't let a ranting mob of pathetic bullies and neo facists like you get hold of our people, or thier land.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0A leopard never changes its' spots, and I bet they would boot out the Falklanders in a heart beat if they could.
@154 how did you out smart us check out the FIRST comment, we knew you was voting on mass, but thats ok as you just admitted the plot in your “outsmarted” comment, but how stupid can someone be to praise a POLL nationally that was available worldwide, typical argentine organised mis-information propoganda, SADDOs
Mar 09th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#156 shb,
Mar 09th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say: “....planning any more ethnic cleansing?........A leopard never changes its' spots, and I bet they would boot out the Falklanders in a heart beat if they could.”
Actually both countries had the opportunitie for show their policy and behaviour about it.
In 1982, Argentina recover the islands and don´t expell anybody...no one single kelper was touched, deported or killed by argentinean forces.
FACT
In 1833 when UK reseized the islands by force, expell the very complete Argentinean populationof the islands (childrends, workers, gauchos, childrens, garrison, soldiers, governor, etc) whose inhabitant pacefully those islands during years.
FACT
@158
Mar 09th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LACK OF FACT: In 1982, Argentina recover the islands and don´t expell anybody...no one single kelper was touched, deported or killed by argentinean forces.
FACT: A significant number of kelpers were rounded up and put into the same building with no toilet facilities and little food. Also the Argentines took renowned Major Patricio Dowling, an obnoxious bullying secret argentine policeman to the Falklands. Major Dowling “played” russian roulette with an imprisoned farmer, clicking a pistol at the back of his head, while he was handcuffed. The kelpers were then to be ethnically cleansed and all sent to Montevideo.
next...
LACK OF FACT: In 1833 when UK reseized the islands by force, expell the very complete Argentinean populationof the islands (childrends, workers, gauchos, childrens, garrison, soldiers, governor, etc) whose inhabitant pacefully those islands during years.
FACT: In 1833 only the military were expelled, and the non-military were encouraged to stay and farm the land. This is except for 3 people. This has been proven by the ships records (debunked here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157626157758043/)
Any more factual inaccuracies from Argentinian mafia-government school books that you want to throw at us?
#159
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...The kelpers were then to be ethnically cleansed and all sent to Montevideo.”
to be ?
to be ?
Understand why you don´t deserve a nano second of anybody time...
@159 To be what? Regardless of how much time I deserve, I don't really get what you're saying, other than you're bitter because you've just been made to look like a liar.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's look at what you're apparently having issues with:
ethnic cleansing /ˈɛθnɪk klɛnzɪŋ/
noun
“the elimination of an unwanted ethnic group or groups from a society, as by genocide or forced emigration.”
Which part of 'ethnic cleansing' are you failing to understand here? The forced emigration part? Well that's illegal and would find you and the whole of Argentina in front of the International Criminal Court (ICC). You also probably want to look at UNSCR 780. But then again, we know that Argentina ignores any UN resolutions that apply to it, especially the binding resolutions.
@So-Far. Have a look at your own countries war plans and the strategy they were pursuing. If you had won ALL of the islanders were to be deported and replaced with Argentine settlers. All that happened is that we stopped you from doing it.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I echo greek yoghurt -what part of ethnic cleansing do you not understand?
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/08/put-the-islanders-first-key-to-the-malvinas-falklands-dispute
and here's the relevant part
“The plan was simple. It included in sequential order a surprise landing on the Islands, the removal of all of the inhabitants, their transport to Montevideo and their replacement with Argentine settlers. In a naive comparison with the 19th Century, the Argentines reasoned the British had taken similar actions in 1833”.
Before you bang on about “why did'nt we do it while we had the chance” - here's your answer. The Islanders made good hostages and bargaining chips from your point of view. If we were re attempt to recapture the islands we would take more care and pull our punches more if British people were likely to be caught in the crossfire. Case in point the situating of artillery in port Stanley. You'd have to wait a while for the world to lose interest before you did it.
#162
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im talking about verifiable facts and u write fantasy plans never made it.....i cant pair that, nosense to continue.
@163 to be fair, no one knew what you were talking about. You were promoting ethnic cleansing and then it all got a bit foggy.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't matter how strongly the Argies feel about the Falklands, in
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0international law they havn't got a leg to stand on. The islands have been in
uninterrupted British hands for 179 years, the 3000 people almost to the
last man do NOT want the Argies sticking their noses in, what's the prob?
How many commenteers know more than SFA about it?
Im talking about verifiable facts
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[can you prove what happend in 1833, and show us the facts evidence, so we can see it please .
1833 is irrelevant, the date is used simply to show that the islands were out of Spanish Overseas Empire hands A LONG TIME AGO. That means the Argies have no legal leg to stand on. Why are we arguing, it is crystal clear these South American bullies want to grab the estimated £1trillion of black gold just waiting to be drilled. That belongs to the islanders, tough shit. I would have no hesitation in nuking Buenos Aires if another invasion was kicked off . These tontos think the gringo is weak.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@167 UK could just say that we won it in a war, that's pretty much acceptable too. Just not very palatable.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but as it [1833] for some reason holds mystical powers to some Argentineans, that’s why they go on about them, im just interested, if they can prove what they preach.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169 In 1833 Peron, the Argentinian Deity, came through the time bridge and announced that not only would Argentina always follow Nazism, and have the hitler youth called Le Camping but they would also have cyclical economic failure and always lust after other people's land.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you read this in their school history books, it becomes obvious why 1833 is so important.
ah, now we understand lol.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please! does any of you have a real work? or is it true that uk is so stupid that have to pay you to talk craps all day, every day?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0so_far,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0A small number of peope were deported to Montevideo.
The “troublemakers”, or peope most vocal in opposition to Argentine
(mis-)rule. No more happened because the British arrived.
And of course as shb said, Falklanders could be hostages.
So you are a liar.
...meanwhile in the modern world the Falklands are a BOT, not a part of Argentina, and doing quite nicely thank-you for asking.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't the Argies just 'take' the islands, that would be a great chance for GB to 'take' Argentina. How about we give you a couple of A bombs, say one on each of La Plata and Cordoba.If you surrender unconditionally we will split Argentina into two or three parts. If you don't surrender, BA gets the big one. You mfs are in a lose/lose situation. Back down or you are getting it up the a-se without vaseline.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@175 elpsaw,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't honey your words, mate.
Tell them straight to their faces!
LOL LOL LOL
@176 Elpsaw has a very good point though. If Argentina continues to be FKC-peaceful by invading other people's lan. One good response would be to cut the country in two, give one a slightly different ideology and then let them both slog it out for the next millennium.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0To any of the many British weapons nerds that populate this pages .....:
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Somewhere in this thread the Fantasy Wandering story about, “Russian roulette being played with an imprisoned farmer, clicking a pistol at the back of his head” has been mentioned ............................ again.
Would somebody please explain to this old man, how do you play “Russian Roulette” with a pistol?
Think,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you know?
A revolver IS a pistol.
You use a revolver to play Ruski roulette.
Anyway, for all we know, if it was an Automatic then it could have been empty.
Just keep cocking the hammer & pulling the trigger.
l though that you were familiar with firearms?
The point is though, dastardly armed Argentines showing their manhood on a defenceless civilian.
Typical.
The problem here is that this deranged drug-addict Kirchner is
Mar 10th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pulling her country into a war they can't win, in fact they could lose their whole sh-t-hole country. She could never be called a statesman.
Let the 'puta de oro' bring it on, I always thought bananas were too expensive anyway.
@178 I guess you get a 50/50 chance with a pistol. This Argentinian major probably let them guess if there is a bullet in the chamber and then pulled the trigger. Here's some more fun stories from the Major:
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Argentine who caused most fear was the ”sinister and dangerous“ head of military police intelligence, Major Patricio Dowling, who personified ”the Argentine terror machine“. He had detailed personal dossiers on Islanders and carried out arbitrary house searches and arrests.”
He also threatened to shoot a young girl who wouldn't stand up for him. Nice people you Argentians, with your not terrorising the locals.
Argentina has no humanity... FACT.
TWIMC
Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) A pistol is not a revolver.
2) You can do executions with a revolver or a pistol.
3) You can do mock executions with a revolver or a pistol.
4) You can play Russian Roulette with a revolver, not with a pistol.
That’s the way it is and no amount of “stupid blondness” can change the way things are…………
Telegraph poll latest results:
Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 62.7% (18,965 votes)
No 24.74% (7,482 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.56% (3,799 votes)
@182 How do you know he didn't have a revolver? Were you there? One of his henchmen?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@183 No one gives a sh1t about some hideously skewed non-scientific poll. Why don't you care more about the fact you lost a war on the same issue? Gosh, such faggotry.
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes 62.71% (18,970 votes)
No 24.73% (7,482 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.56% (3,799 votes)
TWIMC
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some turnip asks me how do I know that Dowling bastard didn't have a revolver...........
Firstly because the Argentinean Armed Farces haven't used revolvers since the 70's........
That is.......... the 1870's
Secondly because the turnip in question specificaly wrote about:
“Russian roulette being played with an imprisoned farmer, clicking a PISTOL at the back of his head”
What a turnip!
186 Think
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the 1870's? :-)))))
@186 I guess he must have got a revolver from somewhere then. I'm sure he probably had one for this very purpose.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of Story.
TWIMC
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let then the turnip in question write:
“Russian roulette being played with an imprisoned farmer, clicking a REVOLVER at the back of his head”
@189 Thanks for the edit.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pedant.
186 Think
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell me the name of the PISTOL (self-loading hand held firearm) and the calibre designation of it that the Argentinian Military used in 1870.
whats all this to do with a corupt Daily Telegraph poll,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@192 Irrelevant poll is irrelevant.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agreed
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha Playing Russian roulette with a pistol. Amazing what next?
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well dear Thinkus,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0l don't know the Spanish classification of firearms but l can assure you that in English, a revolver is a type of Pistol.
A Colt .45 Automatic is a pistol, an automatic pistol.
A Webbley .455 Revolver is also a pistol.
Fired both of them(& others)& needed a “Pistol or concealed firearms Licence” to do so.
So of course, oh haughty turnip, he could have played RR with a pistol.
And you still wonder why we want nothing to do with you???????????
@ lsolde
Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is the second time you mess up with arms and obviously you don’t have any idea of what you are talking about, like ChrisR. The first was with FAL do you remember?
A revolver is one thing and a pistol is another. The first has multiple chambers in a cylinder that revolves and is separated from the barrel the second has only one chamber and is integrated with the barrel. Primary differences among others.
None in the world classifies a revolver as a pistol at least you have any idea of what are you talking about.
But both can be classify as handguns.
What we're all witnessing now is typical of Argentine amateurish arguments. Rather than expressing regret about the fact they were terrorising the FI people, they choose to focus on whether or not he was terrorising them with a pistol/revolver/pistol-revolver. To be honest, I doubt the farmer knew, because he was handcuffed and quite probably bound in other ways.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact the same Major went around threatening to shoot children is enough evidence to show a precendent.
But no, we focus on 'was it really a revolver'. Hahah, those argies will do anything to avoid self-reflection and expression of guilt. It's pathological.
TWIMC
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“About pistols, revolvers and brainwashing”
Please read the following article carefully:
http://www.falklands.info/history/hist82article19.html
All the brave Kelpers mentioned in the above article forfeited their right as civilians, became combatants and risked dead by engaging in espionage, sabotage and actively helping one of the belligerent parts.
However, even after bein captured, NO ONE OF THEM was killed, wounded or harmed by ARGENTINEAN TROOPS.
“Think” now about the current situation in Afghanistan......:
Hundreds are killed every month by BRITISH TROOPS in Afghanistan just for doing the very same thing as those few brave Kelpers did.
Many of them (the children, the women and the elderly) are not even “combatants” they are just “collateral damage”.
This situation has been going on for more than a decade now......
With the DIRECT participation of the Kelpers, more than happy to let those British civilian/baby/women & elderly killers train their “trade” in Malvinas.
And before Afghanistan was Iraq.........
Brainwash anybody?
199 Think
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please answer my post at 191.
Otherwise people who know about these things, as I do, may well think you are lying.
@199 I don't think anyone's suggesting that bombing a wedding in Afghanistan is a good thing. However, I'd like to know what the alternative to this style of military containment is? You suggest pacifism?
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0In any war zone there are casualties, that's the nature of war.
“actively helping one of the belligerent parts.”, I'd suggest you fell over with this statement, as it is not objective... it's biased.
199 Think, you are delusional and off topic , you will talk about pistols or Afghanistan but not about FI , why. I'll tell you why, for the same reason
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0your criminal government in BA won't go to the International Court on FI. Because you can't win and you know it. Your drug addict tramp president Kirchner is your most dangerous weapon, ..... to you. She is another over-fecked and deranged bonobo. Cheap bananas by X-mas,
great!!
Suddenly, the turnip at (201) becomes a “pragmatic” turnip.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@197DanyBerger,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0l did offer a solution where the misunderstanding could have happened.
But you had to make a moron of yourself & try to score cheap points.
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pistol---n. short gun, intended to be held & fired with one hand,
from German, orig from Czech,
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revolver----n. a pistol with a revolving cylinder with chambers for holding a number of cartridges which may be fired one after the other without reloading.
Did you get that, Dany? a PISTOL with a revolving cylinder.
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Macquarie Dictionary 2nd edition 1994
BUT, my Spanish-English Dictionary has,
pistola-pistol
revolver-revolver
with no connection between the two.
Depends which language you speak, eh Dany?
And as for the crack about the FAL.
lf memory serves me right, you were mis-informed hero who was trying to show ChrisR that a SKS 7.62x39 would fit a FAL.
lts a shorter cartridge & won't.
Smartypants
@203 You want to answer the questions or not?
Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0(196) lsolde
Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really play the part of the ”Dumb Blond” to perfection………….
A Colt .45 Automatic is a pistol allright……., a ”SEMI-AUTOMATIC” pistol.
If you ever fired an M1911 in automatic mode it was surely because of a dirty disconnector staying up, keeping the sear disengaged.
Knowing your father, I doubt very much it was a jammed disconnector.
More like it…. you had too much of that nice PNGanja………
Webley & Scott Mark VI was an big, excelent gun, unsuitable to small feminine hands…
Speaking about small hands, why dont you put yours to good use, leave the guns talk to the men, go to the kitchen and brew us a nice cup of coffee?
@206Think,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual our resident squatter will not admit he is again wrong!
ls it a man thing, Think?
Or is it just you?
Correct, a Colt .45 is a semi-automatic. l did not say that it was not.
l said that it was an automatic, to differentiate it from a revolver.
Stop trying to split hairs & stop showing off.
Actually you are correct again with the Webley(thought it was 2 b's, but no matter), its a cannon with a kick like a mule, but definitely a man-stopper.
My personal pistola(thats what we called them!)is a “señorita”from the Philippines.
A copy of an ltalian SEMI-automatic(Benelli, l think)in .25“ calibre.
You carry it in your handbag & shoot through the bag if being mugged.
As for the rest of your post, sweety, the feminine of ”blond” is blonde & how would you like your scalding hot coffee?
Poured down the back of your neck, maybe?
Come on Think, be a man.
Admit that in English a revolver can be a pistol.
Waiting...............♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(207)
Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meeeee ”Splitting Hairs”…….?
Just in this thread I have raised some serious issues as for example:
(199) Did any of you Anglos thought about you hypocrisy when criticizing Argentinean troops for killing 0 Spies, 0 Saboteurs, 0 Enemy Combatants and 0 Civilians some 30 years ago meanwhile your British troops, as we speak, kill civilians by the thousands?
(Just heard in the news that, tonight, a ”Valiant Anglo Soldier” killed 20 civilian Afghanis sleeping in their beds)
And you are only interested in convincing us that a revolver is a pistol…..
Who is “Splitting Hairs” here……..?
Anyhow:
A Pistol and a Revolver are two different things.
For nearly all purposes a pistol is better than a revolver.
As in:
A Man and a Woman are two different things.
For nearly all purposes a man is ………………………
PS:
Q What’s a Tablet?
A: A slab or plaque, as of stone or ivory, with a surface that is intended for or bears an inscription.
Source: Macquarie Dictionary 2nd edition 1994
Chuckle chuckle®
I'll say it again, pedantry, arguing about semantics and a deep focus on the minutia are one of the ways Argentinians try to distract themselves and those around them from their own guilt-making ways.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think is showing his lack of britishness when he says “brew us a nice cup of coffee?”. I'm not convinced he's of these fair green isles.
208 Think, why do you call yourself think ? I only ask because thinking is clearly one thing you seem incapable of doing. It seems reading is a second thing you can't do, it was a US soldier [ race unspecified] and he shot 10 MF Moslems . As a Christian you should applaud that instead of continuing your delusional ramblings. You continuously want to discuss ANYTHING but what this blog is all about, The BRITISH Falkland Islands. Have you got any more balls to talk about cholo?
Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think muddying the waters again & after being backed into a corner refusing to admit that he is wrong.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats several times now sr Think that l have proved you wrong but you won't admit it.
So why should we believe anything that you post because you prove yourself not man enough to admit when you are wrong?
No-one is asking you to be perfect my dear Think.
What's a tablet got to do with anything?
Are you trying to say that a Macquarie Dictionary is wrong.
l think it was written by smarter people than you, Think.
You are not getting off the hook so easily dear Think.
Accept it, Think. ln English a revolver can be a type of pistol.
Admit that you are wrong, stop trying to twist the conversation around.
Fess up, Think & we'll all think the better of you.
l promise not to crow about it.
C'mon, l know you can do it.
Are you a Viking or a mouse♥♥♥♥XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
203 Think
Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been reasonable in giving you TWO chances to anser my question, which is: ”Please tell me the name of the PISTOL (self-loading hand held firearm) and the calibre designation of it that the Argentinian Military used in 1870.”
You have failed to do so for one reason only. Semi-automatic and indeed automatic pistols WERE NOT INVENTED THEN. Apart from one-offs and other specials, the first semi-automatic pistol of any note was the John Moses Browning Model 1900.
Argentina NEVER had pistols in 1870. In 1870 the Argentine Army had S&W Model 3 REVOLVERS under a contract direct from S&W. I am not sure what calibre (which is why I asked you, as you claimed to know) but the revolver was originally chambered for the .44 S&W American.
You were either lying (which I know you are prone to do) or attempting to mislead, hence all this nonsense about revolvers and pistols.
197 DanyBerger
“It is the second time you mess up with arms and obviously you don’t have any idea of what you are talking about, like ChrisR. The first was with FAL do you remember?”
Yes I remember you. Another lier who was incapable of answering my questions and resorted to abuse just like 'Think'. Your grasp of small-arms is clearly from comics and Hollywood films.
My KNOWLEDGE of firearms comes from many years of experience, starting at the age of 12, with of all types of revolvers, semi-automatic pistols, burst-fire pistols and rifles in all calibres and designs from 0.22rf up to 0.50 cal Browning (Barret).
I have shot rifles out to 1,200 yards, have been a British National Champion in 0.22rf pistols and have shot pistol targets out to 300M in 0.223“ fired from a Thompson Contender with 14” barrel.
From your drivel I suspect the only thing you have ever handled was a BB gun.
Pair of First Class Pratts. You have to admit there is nothing second class about Argentino Prattery.
TWIMC
Mar 11th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some “interesting remarks” since my last comment at (208) ....:
(209) GreekYoghurt said:
”Think is showing his lack of Britishness when he says “brew us a nice cup of coffee?”. I'm not convinced he's of these fair green isles.” (209, GreekYoghurt)
I say:
!!!! JA JA JA JA JA JA RA JA JA JA JA RA JA JA JA JA JA JA JA !!!!!
(210) elpsaw said:
”…….he shot 10 MF Moslems . As a Christian you should applaud that instead of continuing your delusional ramblings.
I say:
And I that thought that GreekYogurt and ChrisR were the bottom of British turnipidity..........
(211) Isolde said:
A lot of wrong things but…...............…. who listens to a pretty Woman.
(212) ChrisR, the dangerous man that always carries a “razor sharp Herr Flick-knife” said:
”I have been a British National Champion in 0.22rf pistols ……”
I say:
Woooow….British Champion in 0.22rf pistols......
Popular calibre in Britain, that 0.22rf ?
We, in the rest of the world use .22lr !
Is it dyslexia, Alzheimers or just your boasting that went wrong?
Hundreds are killed every month by BRITISH TROOPS in Afghanistan just for doing the very same thing as those few brave Kelpers did.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many of them (the children, the women and the elderly) are not even “combatants” they are just “collateral damage
[][unless you can prove this, then it is purely hearsay, and one of the main reasons innocents get killed,]]
.
As if Britain had a claim for Malvinas give us break, we should treat British pirates as Australia treats other nationality burn their boats and equipment every time we find a brit in our land or oceans.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0213 Think
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We, in the rest of the world use .22lr !
Is it dyslexia, Alzheimers or just your boasting that went wrong?”
Ever heard of 0.22 rf short? It is used in gallery rifles at fun fairs but more importantly as the ONLY ammunition used in 0.22 pistol rapid fire, just one of the competitions I excelled at. 0.22rf lr is used in slow fire 0.22 pistol matches (revolver or semi-automatic pistols) and 0.22 rifle matches.
I notice in your diatribe against me that you did not disagree with me that you had lied about the 1870 pistol comment. Ah well, better luck at lying next time Think. You obviously convince your LatAm brothers but the Brits actually know the truth of the matter.
Pirat-Hunter
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please feel free to try .
@Isolde
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aghhhhhhhh
Yes your dictionary is wrong like many in the world.
@ChrisR
You had confused the sentence “With his full automatic FAL” with “In full automatic” and your latin blood made you jumped like crazy to explain me how much you know about arms.
And through over me the whole wikipedia like you are doing now.
This should be pretty clear to understand for an expert on arms like you claim to be. Not much to explain I guess.
Now you are fishing again mate you can tell me that you can shoot a coin to 1000 mts with a Mouser I don’t care. We were not talking about sportive shooting or amateurish hunting or civilian weapons or how many weapons you know or your experience with air guns.
Now you say that you are British right? so you should know that Britain has one of the toughest firearms legislation in the world. Virtually no civilian can have access to a military weapon.
And from 12 you have been shooting arms, also you in a previous post said that you moved recently to Uruguay. So can you tell me how and where did you get a full automatic FAL to shoot and get such long experience?
At least you ChrisR were or are a soldier class 1963 and could get and ARG FAL you cannot have access to those weapons in Britannia lame boy. Tagarna will call you an Argie officer.
And for being a British military I can tell you that you write a lot of rubbish about military weapons like your Tomahawks armed with nuclear warheads.
Now are you going to tell me like Isolde that a Pistol and revolver is the same?
So who is the liar mate?
(216) Listen, Mr. “Razor Sharp Herr Flick-Knife”…....
Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a cartridge caliber 5.6mm called .22 short
There is a cartridge caliber 5.6mm called .22 lr (long rifle)
There is NO cartridge caliber 5.6mm called 0.22 rf (short, long or otherwise)
Any shooter knows this…
What discipline were you “British National Champion” at?
Starting pistols?
219 Think
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK NEVER refer the the rimfire cartridge 0.22 nominal calibre as 5.6mm ANYTHING, that is a continental affectation.
Yes, you can IF YOU WISH drop the rf (rimfire) designation and just use 0.22 short (no abbreviation) or 0.22lr for long rifle and 0.22 Mag for the rimfire magnum.
The use of rf seperates the rimfire cartridge from 0.22 centrefire cartridges, these being typically 0.22 Hornet, 0.222 (known as the '22 triple'), 0.223 (similar but NOT exhangeable with 5.56 NATO). 22-250, 220 Swift and then come other 'wildcat' cartridges based on the nominal 0.22 bore. These use a boxer primer for ignition of the propellant.
If only you could put aside the feeling of inferiority that makes you, at times of frustration, call more knowledgable people 'turnips', then you MAY obtain some respect from the posters on this board
Still waiting for you to admit you are wrong oh Blunt-Axe Think.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guess l'll be waiting for ever.
Blunt-axe, the devious Dane is just too, too manly for that.
No wonder we were able to defeat you(Stamford Bridge 1066).
@218DanyBerger,
From your posts, l can see that you don't know much about firearms.
So you just resort to insults.
l would believe my dictionary before l believed anything that you say.
The fact is, that in English a revolver is a type of pistol.
Neither you or he-man Think will admit this because to do so would prove all your arguments as false.
But thats ok, you haven't let us down, just reinforced the picture that we have of you, that is to lie, lie, lie & twist & squirm your way out of anything that doesn't suit you.
Then you try to nail ChrisR about his movements, to try to discredit his postings.
How do you know where he has been?
He might have lived in another country & used firearms there.
Liars, both of you.
(219) Listen again, Mr. “Razor Sharp Herr Flick-Knife”…....
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly....:
No shooter, I repeat, no shooter in the world would call a .22 short for a .22rf.
No shooter, I repeat, no shooter in the world would call a .22 lr for a .22rf.
The denomination .22rf does simply not exist...... Capicse???
Secondly....:
A “British National Champion in rapid fire pistol” or any pistol marksman in the world would know that the .22 short cartridge has been banned from the rapid fire category many years ago....
But not our own “ British National Champion”. He happily declares at (216) it to be “the ONLY ammunition used in 0.22 pistol rapid fire (sic)”
What a turnip………
What has all this bullshit about pistols got to do with a possible war over
Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Falkland Islands? All the big mouth tramp Kirchner has to do is occupy the islands, GB has just scrapped its only carrier. Then we will see if
another arsehole, Cameron, has got big enough collones to use up a couple of
old A-bombs or not. Just think what a 200 mega-ton nuke would do for BA.
223 elpsaw
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0first of, you have to get their,
2nd, you have to stay their,
you have only one thing with you, and thats camaron,
he may well be the weak link .
but britain will always have the ability to re-=take the islands,
but alas , their will be only one way to prove it,,
the ball is firmly in CFK court .
@lsolde
Mar 12th, 2012 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You continue to be wrong and was him that started to play the superior arrogant brit arm expert and failed in the process because he is lying.
“How do you know where he has been?” because he said it is so simple? Or he is lying?
And because to have access to a full automatic FAL you have to be a member of a military or security force from a country that have access to this weapon. Of course you can get one illegally if you are a member of a drug cartel and can pay 10000/15000 USD for it may be more with inflation. Ha ha
So now you tell me how did you get access to an Automatic FAL to fired in full automatic and became such expert?
BTW where I was insulting you and can you tell me what was my lie please?
As u say 224, Kirchner has talked the talk, now she has to walk the walk.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I read it as just a good act, brinksmanship, she hasn't got the collones to
occupy FI, she will fade away into a drug-induced coma in a couple of months. Pity really, Trident could have had a good bit of target practice.
Too bad I won't be getting cheaper bananas by X-mas then.
@225DanyBerger,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0After reading back through our posts, l realise that it wasn't you who was insulting, it was sr Think.
My apologies for saying that you were insulting in this case.
l think in the past you have been insulting though but we'll let that go.
You did imply that l was lying in post#218, when you still insisted that a revolver is not a type of pistol & l didn't like the way you think my dictionary was wrong simply because it refuted what you say.
l do however have one more comment to make on this pistol/revolver thing before l finish.
ln the 19th century Colt produced a rifle with a revolving cylinder.
What would you call it?
A rifle or a revolver.
Colt called it a rifle, a revolving rifle, but still a rifle.
So a revolving pistol is still a type of pistol.
As l said before, maybe something lost in the translation.
Thank you.
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You started all this, Think.
Now you've been proved wrong & you're keeping a low profile & letting DanyBerger cop the flak.
Lets hear you try to wriggle out of the example of the Colt revolving rifle.
ls it a revolver or is it a rifle?
The whole world is awaiting your learned answer with bated breath.
222 Think
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again Think. You would think by now you would have learnt to think better, Think.
The 0.22rf SHORT was still used in rapid-fire competition in the UK right up to when handguns were banned.
In fact, ELEY, the world leader on rf technology, a British company, had just manufactured a new batch of ammunition for us to compete with, but it had to be sold overseas.
Have no idea what has happened in rapid fire since the ban.
ISOLDE
You will never get these morons to admit they are mistaken about anything, least of all from a woman on firearms. It is the usual LatAm inferiority complex to the fore again. :o)
@ lsolde
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no, no, no Dear Isolde don’t change the things you and the writer of this lame article sustained that an Argentinian officer was playing Russian Roulette with his pistol.
We all laugh because with a pistol used by the Argie Army (all forces) you cannot do that. Quite simple because the “pistols” used by Arg Armies have magazines and just one chamber. And Mr. Think is absolutely right about what he has posted.
You can simulate a fake execution with a “semi aut pistol” but not play RR with it. Remember you are talking about Argie Army.
Then you come out with the semantic stuff ...That doesn’t matter because to play RR you need a revolver “with a cylinder and multiple chambers) you know?
So I invite you to give a link in English where says that a Russian Roulette can be played with a “Pistol”
Now you didn’t answer my question about how you have got assess to a Military weapon. Its not so difficult to answer. Isn’t it?
@ChrisR
Now you hiding yourself back to a women skirt to avoid answer my simple question?
Here I go again: How did you got assess to a military weapon like a FA FAL mr. Rambo?
Waiting for your answer while drinking another tea mate...
229 Danny Burger
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't realise you had asked me a question in all your drivel.
Here I go again: How did you got assess to a military weapon like a FA FAL mr. Rambo?
Do you mean 'how did you get access to a FA (fully automatic) FAL?
The answer is very simple, I used to assist the Territorial Army (together with a friend) in training their recruits. I have also fired an SA80 and under MoD Special Branch clearance an SA80 platoon support machine gun. But do not ask me where and when and why, because I am not allowed to tell you, but it was during the completion of a contract to the MoD by my company.
And I am not, nor ever will be, the 'mate' of some lying devious Argie who is so bent he is shaped like a corkscrew.
Have a nice day (Clue: I am taking the piss).
226 elpsaw
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you may well be right .
@ChrisR
Mar 13th, 2012 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0And because someone allowed you to give a try on a FAL you have turned into a FAL expert?
Wow very impressive I understand now why you can shoot your mum with one of this.
You still are not convincing anyone here I guess why should be?
And are you sure that the FAL was fully automatic? Have you ever seen and A in the selector?
Ah! This is going to be a big laugh keep going please while a go for another tea...
But the way why do you think am I a liar ChrisRambo?
The Telegraph poll :
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Actually the numbers are:
1) Yes 63% (19,258 votes) ....still growing.
2) No 24.54% (7,502 votes)
3) Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.46% (3,810 votes)
The DT poll is meaningless, specially if you read the biased article
Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0preceding it. With a circulation of about 500,000 the DT like most
newspapers has virtually ceased to be a document of either news
or propaganda.There are at least 64 million people living in GB
and even if you discount the millions of ' enrichers 'we have mistakenly
imported, most of the rest can read in English but get their news from
TV or Internet.
The Falkland Islanders don't need a referendum , it would be a waste of time, 99.9 % would vote for any option which totally excluded the
corrupt and violent country of Argentina. The three votes you might get are from the three sad creatures locked up in the small mental facility
in Stanley. Bring it on Cristina baby!!!
DanyBerger,
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0l too, have fired MANY TIMES what l called an FN 7.62mm, not a FAL.
Fabrique National, license made from Belgium.
Although l have been told that they are a similar weapon.
lt is a SEMI-automatic rifle.(capitals for Thinks benefit!) Yes it is a military rifle.
You don't need to know where l fired it.
We called it an SLR(self loading rifle)
lt has a 20 round magazine but you can squeeze 22 rounds into it & 1 up the spout which would give you 23 loads.
lt is heavy,& gets heavier as the day progresses, but it packs a wallop.
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l wasn't going to get further involved in ths ridiculous split-hairs debate of revolver-pistol, BUT, as you're all being pedantic, here goes nothing.
l don't care how you put it, but the fact that you can't escape is:-
1) A CIVILIAN Farmer was tied to his chair.
2) one of you Argentine heroes was standing out of sight behind him,
3) either playing RR with a revolver at the back of his head(the revolver could have been empty, but how was the farmer to know?) OR
4)cocking the hammer, then pulling the trigger on an empty SEMI-Automatic pistol. once again, the CIVILIAN Farmer didn't know what weapon was being used.
The weapon being used was immaterial.
The main point is the fact that it happened at all.
Would you like to ask this Farmer how he voted in your precious poll?
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Yes, Chris, you are right.
The more l have contact with their weird reasoning, the more l'm convinced its like the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.
Poltroons, all.
232 Danny Burger
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0”But (do you mean 'By')the way why do you think am I a liar ChrisRambo?”
Well, there are so many reasons why you are a liar, here are just a few:
1) You continually disparage people when you do not know the answer to the questions they ask you in response, usually, to when you have written something clearly stupid and it needs clarification;
2) You demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge on a subject (like firearms) but keep pushing your 'argument' to the point where you look foolish;
3) You cannot accept that others know more than you. I have told you or 'I don't Think' only some of my experience and yet you berate me: again you look foolish;
4) Many times you do not get the point (I am being generous here) and continue on the wrong tack, getting frustrated and lying for emphasis;
5) NOT BEING GENEROUS you deliberately obfurscate your reply in an attempt to make the other person look foolish, when it is you who are being devious. 235 Isolde is a case in point. (see conclusion)
6) When you get coupled up with the Arch Hypocrite 'I don't Think' the pair of you seem to feed off one another and become beyond reason - lies flow from both of you in a vain attempt to railroad the rest of us.
CONCLUSION
A)
Isolde made a valid point about revolvers and semi-automatic pistols, despite 'I don't Think' lying about the sidearm of the Argentine forces in 1870. I notice he has not answered my question but sought to deflect the argument to some spurios idiocy regarding 0.22 calibre options.
So, a revolver being cocked and 'fired' on an empty chamber DOES sound the same as a DA semi-automatic pistol with the hammer being dry fired on an empty chamber. AND it must have been terrifying for the poor farmer that had that done by an Argie coward behind his back (CLUE- he could not see the gun!) UNDERSTAND THE POINT NOW?
B)
I see no point whatsover in wasting my time by responding to you and your partner in crime I don't Think.
So I will not, goodbye.
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