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Mercosur countries to agree on a common protocol for vessels from the Falklands
Mercosur country members are scheduled to hold a meeting in Rio do Janeiro to agree on a common protocol for all vessels originating in the Falkland Islands and calling at regional ports, announced Uruguay’s Defence minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Mercosur agree to be bullied by Argentina, and sign the Treaty of the Bullyable. During the same conference Argentina announces new Sovereignty issues with the Mercosur states and extra import tariffs. The Mercosur states all clap.”
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, it's like watching retards in a chemistry lab.
The reason other South American nations support this is because it is a “free” concession in negotiations. It doesn't cost them anything but is so important to Argentina that they make concessions in return.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The acid test will be if it does ever start costing them financially or politically. I doubt it will be a price they will be prepared to pay.
Confused ? Me too !
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why the Defence Minister?
What aircraft? There's only the LANChile flight from the mainland, unless they fancy their chances with the Royal Air Force.
Which Red Ensign? There are a lot of different types.
Does anyone in the South Cone have the foggiest idea what they're talking about?
Or is it just foggy ??
@1
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gee *roll eyes*
one reads you and you'd thin Argentina were a superpower YOUR description at how it can bully and get what it wants not only with minnows but also with major fish such as Brazil.
I think Idlehands analysis is much closer to the bulls eye than yours
Who cares, the Supertankers will just sail direct from the Falklands to their customers in Europe, Asia North America etc.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf the rest of SA want to listen to Argentina, they'll just miss out on cheap oil & side benefits.
Sad
It is always useful not to blind oneself. The Malvinas issue is becoming a South American issue. The Falkland Islands (Malvinas) are not located in the North Sea.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Marcelo lets play your game.
Lets say it does become a south american issue. As you know the UK will not be brought to heel by anyone so when all of this hot air results in nothing concrete and the drilling for oil starts what will you do then?
I'm interested to hear how far you are willing to take this issue if economically and diplomatically you get nowhere.
@6 You're wrong. It's not an issue. If it were to become an issue then it would be an Atlantic Islands issue. Not a mainland South American Issue.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 They can always stop at St Helena or Ascension Island or the Canaries on the way back. It'll increase trade for all you folks, and they can even pick up bananas and eggs on the way.
Are they going to stop flights from South Africa?
Twenty years ago Argentina was the largest economy in South America, they commanded 60% of the GPD on the Continent. Nowadays Brazil have that position and the economy of Sao Paulo district is actually bigger than that of Argentina. Argentina only raise the Falklands at all these regional meetings in “Any other business” when most countries are wanting to finish the talks and get on to the next meeting or even getting home, because it does not really affect them they readily agree with the footnote, “As long as it complies with National and International Law”. The strange this is this foot note is never released by Argentina and the najority of the time the message is ignored because the country can see that it does not comply with International Law.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 It would be a south american issue if the Falklands were a south american country. Sadly for you, they are in fact a south atlantic island. South america should butt out of things that are of no concern to them!
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Viva the rise of the Fraternity of Atlantic Islands (FAI)! South Americans should stick to South America and leave the FAI alone.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now all we need are some city bubbles and some sea-copters... and Iceland to sort out it's finances.
“Twenty years ago Argentina was the largest economy in South America, they commanded 60% of the GPD on the Continent” .... and in the 1920's they were as well off as Canada. Just shows what sustained years of political instability, corruption and chronic mal-administration can do to a country.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing ever changes. At least this means that Mrs K's economic/trade policies are showing her up as a complete fruitcake - the USA and Spain are beginning to realise this.
Isolation is never a good answer to problems.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 yes, Argentina's ideology is a proponent of economic isolation and it's got rampant cyclic economic problems.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands soon will have flight paths through Ascension island, St Helena and Tristan de Cunha through to lots of places in Africa. That's hardly isolated.
Well done Kohen, I see at least Argentine Geography lessons are actually accurate, it is a shame your history lessons are backward. Yes we are in South America, we don’t deny the fact we are part of that region, but why do you treat 3,000 people of that region with such disdain, its pathetic. You secured your independence and you wanted to govern yourself without any interference from a foreign power, why can’t we do the same? Why does Argentina insist on trying to destroy the livelihoods of 3,000 people? Tell me Kohen. Please give your twisted answer so I can tear it to shreds.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Prof Kohen doesn't even live in Argentina, he lives in in Nazigoldland (Switzerland) after deciding that Argentina wasn't the right place for him.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He still supports ruining the lives of 3000 people though.
Marcelo you never answered the question of how far the Argentines are prepared to take this.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we all know Argentina will never get the Falklands and as such when the South American countries give you tacit support for the bare minimum of what they can give you what then?
For example are you prepared to declare war on the UK?
If you do invade sovereign British territory for the 3rd time then I think that the UK would be perfectly within its rights to reduce certain of your country's infrastructure to rubble. Facilities such as power stations, military bases, water treatment works and of course the Presidential Palace would be good examples.
Seems fair enough to me.
Argentina seems hell bent on crossing the line. Once you do cross that line then you will have made the same mistake that your Government did in 1982. Are you prepared to make this mistake for a third time?
Nothing seems to change with your country.
The sovereignty of the FI will be decided by the Islanders themselves, not the Argentines - move on and forget about the issue before it is way too late for your country.
The UK, diplomatically, will play a blinder on this and will, as we speak, be talking with the Brazilians etc. about this. Argentina will be led up a certain path and there will be a need to either follow through on your ridiculous rhetoric or back down and risk a severe bruising to your macho ego.
It'll be interesting too see the path you decide to follow but I'm not at all convinced that you will, ultimately, choose the right one.
Who's isolation Marcelo? If you're talking about the Falkland Islanders, then cutting off contact with the mainland will not necessarily mean isolation. As it is there are more flights a week to the UK than mainland SA. They would hardly be isolated. And even less so in this the age of the internet. The Falkland Islanders are quite capable of getting on with life without Argentina, and if you push them hard enough, they will simply do that.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 You do need to spend some oil money on a subsea terabyte capacity communications cable to stanley and island-wide 4G though. (You might want to avoid South America or at least have one to Chile)
Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At first, it seems nonsensical to distinguish between Falkland’s Flag and Red Ensign, but of course the Argentinians don’t want any sign of Falkland self-determination, because it defeats their bigoted argument of the Falklands being a British colony , so that’s why they are getting other nations to bar Falkland flagged vessels from their ports.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 GreekYoghurt
“Falklands soon will have flight paths through Ascension island, St Helena and Tristan de Cunha through to lots of places in Africa. That's hardly isolated”
St Helena's airport opens in 2015 but to keep costs down the air service will only operate to and from South Africa, as for Tristan de Cunha; until they can get a large commercial jet to land on a 30 degree slope you won’t be seeing that. Never mind, we’ve still got the good old internet and you a type 45 for support.
@20 Will this do? (http://www.solucent.nl/images/portfolio/t2a.jpg)
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Re TdC I was only adding that one for effect)
@ #19 - have you heard of communications satellites?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cables are not needed if the S.American countries try to isolate the Falklands.
A couple of other interesting possibilities after the incident in Ushuaia last week:
Puerto Madryn welcomes ALL cruise vessels.
At the Seatrade Cruise Shipping Convention 2012, the industry’s major meeting on March 12/15, things may become very unpleasant for Argentina.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/03/puerto-madryn-welcomes-all-cruise-vessels-ushuaia-tourism-industry-blasts-the-governor?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily
@6
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will never become a South American issue. Most Brazilians are repulsed by Argentine chauvinism. It is blatantly obvious to all freedom-loving people that your territorial ambitions are not only unrealistic but also downright immoral. So shut the bloody hell up and move on. What on earth has happened to your conscience?
@22 Satellites are nice for multicast things like TV but the latency is pretty rubbish for things like internet, phone, etc and it's also pretty costly given the amount of data you're hoping to shift. Better just run out a cable and then pay for it over a few years.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 I think the Argentinians think they rule the Brazilians like some weird kind of parasitic limpet. So saying that isn't true isn't going to make them believe you.
I guess we will see how much further Brazil, Uruguay and Chile are actually prepared to go in supporting Argentina over this issue.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of these countries will support the argies when the bullets start flying. Not even King Chav. And trust me, you will need help.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a growing, strong and credible rumour that UK troops are on stand by to go down to the South Atlantic.
Do the Brits on here agree that when the RG's try to invade the Falklands that the Argentine mainland should be hit and as much of their infrastructure as possible destroyed (we should have done this last time).
Also as they have no money to rebuild that infrastructure what sort of Argentina would emerge from the rubble and ruins of The Botox Queens obscene policies.
I have wondered whether Argentina would be left with enough of an armed force to defend their own territory from any of their neighbours who wishes to settle old scores? Anyone have much thought on that?
Do we think that the Argentines are on the brink of crossing a line that there will be no going back from?
Cant say I feel any sympathy whatsoever for them.
@21 GreekYoghurt
Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand, but I've always had a soft spot for Tristan de Cunha, out in the middle of nowhere, so it was nice of you to give them a mention.
p.s. a previous alis of mine was Tristan
@27. You know, the average Argentines are nothing like the fanatics posting on this blog. They live in a country with a shit government and live the rollercoaster of regular financial distasters. Most know it but do not know how to change it when corruption is endemic and they see no viable alternative government. Sure they are a belligerent and excitable population but many are embarrassed by how backward their country is. The world moved on and they are stuck in the past.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do not deserve to be punished for having a lunatic in charge of the country.
If you destroyed the infrastructure of Argentina it would be the innocents that suffer whilst CFKChavez and her cronies would go to live with their money elsewhere.
just sayin'. : )
27 The Cestrian
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have said what you now write in para. 1 many times to the screams of Argies (who forget their own “THE CASE OF ARGENTINA by Carlos Escudé”).
Para 2. A very shattered country but with the same stupid LatAm 'we are the best' and 'we won the war again' attitude.
Para 3. If it ever comes to it I hope Chile and Paraguay DO take revenge on these Fascist Colonialists.
Penultimate para. No, they are not going to cross the line because the government are a bunch of cowards and KNOW that if it ever gets to a fire-fight they are going to end up dead.
The only people I have sympathy with are the ones who are held to hostage by the illiterate poor who would vote for a donkey if it gave them 'free money' and desparately want to get rid of this excrable goverment.
I, together with yankeeboy, think that the ONLY way out of this is another military dictatorship. Some people are not ready or capable of democracy, seeing it as a weakness to be expoited.
The difficulty though is that the Kirchners have emasculated the military who may be too few to ensure a bloodless takeover.
@29
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They voted her in and then mouthed off to all and sundry calling us “pirates” etc. and generally working their tickets.
Time for them to get the armed forces out and sail the south atlantic sea. Maybe HMS Vengeance blowing up whatever equivalent of the Belgrano (again) might have a deterrent effect as might blowing up Embalse or whatever it is called. Take out a water treatment plant or two and bobs your uncle - war over.
Threaten to do it again next time they work their ticket.
At some point they have to be taught that there are consequences to their words and actions.
Frankly I fail too see why we should fuck about with these people. why spend £50b a year on our armed forces and sit back allowing them to do what they like.
there is a line in the sand that they cannot cross. We should decide what it is and then blow up part of their infrastructure once they cross it.
fuck them :-)
If, in the unlikely event, it comes to “hitting the Argie mainland” the British would almost certainly begin with military targets.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is too much dithering in Whitehall.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This affair should have been settled to our satisfaction, long ago.
@32
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed but hitting power stations, water treatment plants, the national grid would also be good places to aim for. They are a third world country and they need to be knocked back into a “fourth world”.
I'd be loathed to destroy say Atucha but it would be mighty tempting.
@21 GreekYoghurt
Mar 05th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't mean to post this bit
“p.s. a previous alias of mine was Tristana”
but I liked your idea for landing on slopes.
@29 ElaineB
“If you destroyed the infrastructure of Argentina it would be the innocents that suffer whilst CFKChavez and her cronies would go to live with their money elsewhere”
Don't worry, it's all talk (we're bloggers) and we love to hear from sensible Argentinians like you.
Have you thought about running for President
@35
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hitting Argentine infrastructure this time must be a credible option for the UK Government. Could you imagine there armed forces setting sail for the Falklands and as they come over the water a cruise missile heads in the opposite direction.
Remember that this war wont being fought in our back garden.
London and The Home Counties are pruning the roses shortly and it would be a disgrace if PIMMS at 7pm was interrupted :-)
Meanwhile...back in Argentina...
I the event of another war, I think Britain should hit mainland military targets this time, bomb every military plane, sink every ship. War over.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But we need to be careful we don't make the problem worse by involving other SA countries, as the world will be watching. It may seem a bit like Lennox Lewis pummelling Maradona to within an inch of his life.
@37
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Steve i agree.
It has to be done with Argentina seen as the aggressor and having got what they deserve. i have faith in our govt that when it puts its plans into action it will do so appropriately but with absolutely devastating effect.
We should, in my opinion, destroy every military capability they have, extending to the Argentine mainland (without stepping foot on their soil) and leave that country as weak as we possibly can.
there has to be a clear message to the Argentine people and its politicians (who are the ones ultimately culpable here) that when we say the Falkland Islanders will determine their own future that is exactly what we mean and what will happen.
the Falkland Islands will remain a BOT until the FIG determines otherwise.
We don't need to hit the argie mainland. Soldiers fight soldiers (or at least the pathetic version the argies have.) No civvies need die. Any ships or aircraft coming out of argentina are fair game and will be destroyed on sight. We do it clinically.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The objective in any such conflict would be to break the Argentine military’s capacity to fight.
Not the will of the people to resist, or the ability of the country to function.
Infrastructure targets like power stations ect, however tempting, have no real military value. Just bad headlines around the world about babies dieing in hospitals, because the power went off to the incubators.
Of course facilities like oil refineries and storage tanks, capable of producing and storing things like Avgas (jet fuel) would be legimate targets. As would weapons factories and ammo dumps ect.
@40
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you are in charge :-)
Good point about hospitals etc. although I was never referring to making civilians a deliberate target which would be out of order.
Looks like our plan is developing though and with all the Argentines having seemingly forgotten how to type :-)
This will never become a South American issue. Most Brazilians are repulsed by Argentine chauvinism. It is blatantly obvious to all freedom-loving people that your territorial ambitions are not only unrealistic but also downright immoral. So shut the bloody hell up and move on. What on earth has happened to your conscience?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really jordao?? Brazil has played already.....We want the SOuth Atlantic,for South America........,brit jordao...
uk dominance is OVER!!!
Good bye ,pirates brits...
Viva the rise of the Fraternity of Atlantic Islands (FAI)! South Americans should stick to South America and leave the FAI alone.
AHAHAHAHAH the stupid brits,game IS OVER...poor deluded imperialist....
@42
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ready for war?
You need to make sure that you are well away from military installations.
I doubt they would even get a single foot on the islands. We will watch what they are doing like a hawk using sat technology. Any build up or aggression will see a rapid RN build up and the argies won't be able to break through. The garrison will be reinforced with a couple of battalions and the argies will slink away.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PressTV the most any British site on the web?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read some of the other stories with a negative spin.
Surely they know the telegraph poll was hijacked.
http://presstv.com/detail/230138.html
@42 The Falkland Islands aren't in South America, they're an Atlantic Island and they're a part of the Fraternity of Atlantic Islands (FAT). Is Argentina an Atlantic Island or Territory? No, it's not. The Atlantic is for the Atlantic Islands, so keep your corrupt mafia-run South America and stay out of the Atlantic with your colonialism.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks.
I am not Argentine. I spend a lot of time there working (and other SoAm countries) and have good friends there.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that not all Argentines voted her in. 70% of the population were eligible to vote. Roughly one third did not bother to vote for anyone, just over one third voted for CFKC and the rest voted for other candidates.
So, a lot of Argentines did not vote for her and many just could not see an alternative. Remember she keep a large percentage of her voters poor because she manipulates them well. She gives them just enough that they feel life is improving and free gifts but never enough that they might move out of poverty. They live hopeless lives and she promises them hope, though it is false hope.
Speculate away with how the Argentines could be silenced forever but they are doing a pretty good job of destroying their own country. Once their economy collaspes again they will be too busy trying to survive to be bothered with some fairy story. So far all they have done has backfired spectacularly.
Nothing has changed and nothing will change. The Falkland Islands remain with the Islanders.
@42 Malvinero
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK dominance is OVER!!! Good bye ,pirates brits...”
You have to keep telling yourself that, to drown out the truth told by better Argentinians than you: i.e. “You live in a country with a shit government and live on the rollercoaster of regular financial distasters”
@45
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world is being polarised into those country's who can legitimately claim rule of law and those that are all but lawless.
on the one hand you have the EU, US etc. and on the other you have things like the UN Decolonisation committee filled with ner do well's who in this globalised world all want a piece of the action.
south america is a classic example of Argentina, Venezuela, warbling on about:L
1 - pirates
2 - colonialists, and
3 - imperialists
Read this garbage:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
When (NOT lf) they invade again, let some of them up the beach,
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need target practice.
@47 I agree. One thing about the British is we are sportsmen. Shooting a lame dog that barks a lot is not sporting, just like kicking over war graves in Libya isn't sporting.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think everyone knows that if the Argentinians try to KFC-peacefulness we simply destroy what is left of their military, force them to finally sign a treaty over the Falklands and leave them to sort themselves out and hopefully remove peronism and corruption.
As British, we should never forget what makes us British. We're not savages; we do what needs to be done and then get back to our own business. Otherwise we're not better than they are, and they're mainly families just trying to bring up some kids in peace.
TWIMC
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another diplomatic nail in the British South-Atlantic coffin.....:
“Mercosur countries to agree on a common protocol for vessels from the Falklands”
Chuckle chuckle©
Soldiers love to soldier, but it won't happen. The RN would see off any invasion fleet and they wouldn't dare send an airborne invasion, they wouldn't be able to get enough troops onto the islands and would be shot out of the sky before they got anywhere near. They don't have a hope. 82, they took us by surprise, so we had no option but to launch a liberation that the US Navy thought was impossible. :) You'd think they would have known better wouldn't you. The argies don't have the only tactical advantage they had last time, surprise. So, gutted as every infantryman would be, it wouldn't happen.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed in principle, however it is the ordinary Argentine who votes this garbage into power and allow themselves to be sucked into this brainwashing “Malvinas” crap.
Isnt it about time that the Argentines called a halt to this rubbishy George Orwell recounting of events in school?
Why isnt the ordinary Argentine telling the govt to go fuck themselves and restoring some sort of credibility in their country?
I've never been to Argentina but its reputation is as a beautiful country who if they used their resources right could be a decent country. do none of them have any self respect? Are they happy too see their country wasted by a pointless war with one of the most potent military forces in the world whilst the politicians siphon off millions of pesos/dollars (if they can get their hands on dollars)?
The ordinary Argentine isnt blameless in this. They allow themselves to be manipulated and abused. Its high time they did something about this.
@54
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You get the government you deserve.
@55
Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed.
@54 Yes, a fair number of Argentines deserve what they have. But the whole point about brainwashing from nursery is that they are unaware it is happening. The state schools are abysmal and the teachers compelled to fall into line. So the cycle continues but there are many young people that are very tired of the situation there and want it to change. Many business people are sick to the back teeth of having to pay out money to corrupt officials.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you have not been there it is hard to understand how they are sucked into the system when we come from countries where we are taught to research and form our own opinions, rather than told what to think.
An example I have mentioned before: A young man working for the post office is regularly told to go and protest in an area, rather than work. He has no choice. He doesn't agree or care about the message of the protest but if he wants to keep his job he has to do whatever his union tells him to do. What can he do? Be without work or conform to the system?
I am extemely critical of the dangerously reckless government there and cannot understand why they allow a mentally unstable person run the country. Her behaviour towards the Falkland islanders is terrible.
@54 Well, the average German wasn't responsible for the death of the holocaust victims (gays, jews, handis, et cetera), but you're right they're not completely blameless, because they knew it was happening. But I think your average Argie is probably having a dreadful enough time as it is.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they attack the falklands again, the best option would be to quickly take out their teeth, and pull out their nails. (destroy their entire military, completely) They're unable to fight or protect themselves then, and they've only got themselves to blame for being 'KFC-peaceful'.
No one wants this to descend into war. Especially not for our friends in Brazil, Chile and Uruguay, regardless of how ridiculous they're being at the minute, supporting such utter nonsense.
@57 & 58
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My hope is that when this inevitable war starts the UK will finish it in devastating fashion, making sure that the Argentines understand that this has to stop.
This whole issue is preventing Argentina from moving on and for a President to openly side with the likes of Chavez is frankly disgusting.
the current atmosphere reminds me of Iraq where Saddam was let off the hook once but when it came to the re-run lessons were learnt and the situation sorted ie Saddam removed (so to speak).
something similar has to happen here.
when they invade the Falklands or attempt to we have to take this to the Argentine mainland - as we should have done in 1982 - and as Mr Yoghurt says render their military totally redundant.
being cynical we have other wars to fight and this one is merely a distraction from the job that needs to be done in Iran.
@47 ElaineB
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am not Argentine”
so again the hunt for an intelligent Argentinian on this site continues,
“But the whole point about brainwashing from nursery is that they are unaware it is happening. The state schools are abysmal and the teachers compelled to fall into line. So the cycle continues”
You would think that Think could recognise himself in what you have written instead of just mindlessly posting drivel like:
@52 Think
“Yet another diplomatic nail in the British South-Atlantic coffin”
Poor brain dead Think, think when you old, remember to think back about what pillock you are and how it got you nowhere.
@59
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be clinical, that's how we do things. But I don't think we need to attack the mainland. A second humiliating defeat , this time coming without the need for British ground forces, will bring down the government of old trout face and shut them up. Attacking the mainland will give the argies another thing to whine about. And I am sick of their constant whining.
@60
Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Argentines have been noticeable by their absence tonight.
i think it might be dawning on them that if they have an underground bunker in their house they need to clean it out because they may be needing it.
they can push it so far but they will inevitably make a huge mistake and when they do the action will start.
i wonder if any country in history has ended up with no military capacity to look after their territory? I guess only Nazi germany but then again with the Argentines being such a haven for Nazis they should know all about this.
The Paraguyans and chileans must be rubbing their hands. You can almost hear them say “payback time”.
the Uruguayans and Brazilians will be pissing themselves laughing when Argentina is rendered impotent.
@60 I could introduce you to some! : ) Honestly.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no doubt that if CFKC was stupid or mad enough to launch an attack on the Falklands, the UK would respond in an emphatic manner. Cameron could not have stated the fact more clearly and I suspect this is why CFKC has changed tactics.
So what do we have? A raving lunatic running a country and making a lot of noise. I do not underestimate how annoying it must be for the Islanders to have to listen to her threaten and rant but they have the full support of the UK and the Argentine government is an embarrasment.
Nothing will change.
So what do we have? A raving lunatic running a country and making a lot of noise. I do not underestimate how annoying it must be for the Islanders to have to listen to her threaten and rant but they have the full support of the UK and the Argentine government is an embarrasment.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0AAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHA!
Waht a joke!!!
uk IS FINISHED!! Just run for your life!
Malv
Mar 06th, 2012 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0looks like your neighbours are all getting a bit pissed off with RGland
re paraguay “Mercosur junior member Paraguay that is suffering the Argentine restrictions on imports and has seen its February exports plummet 70% is planning ‘mirror’ countermeasures but emphasizing on those products with greater impact for Argentina ”
re Uruguay - ”President Jose Mujica described the situation as “quite mortifying” and recommended “opening other fields”.
Dont think brazil are too chuffed either!
Also funny that Prince harry will be visiting brazil....I thought Brazil were on your side?!!
Sit back an get stuck into your wacky weed
Malv
Mar 06th, 2012 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0looks like your neighbours are all getting a bit pissed off with RGland
Sure,you brits here amplify a very small problem.SA is united,like never before.
uk “dominance” in the SA is FINISHED!!!
uk played the cards,and lost....
By,bye uk .....
That's the spirit, Malvinero. If nothing else works, then a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. Start storing up on water as you'll need it when your treatment plants are hit!
The noose is tightening.
I'm feeling quite happy about the future of the Falklands. They've started this South Atlantic Research Institute thing, which is an embryonic version of the University that I always thought would be a good idea, focusing on Environment and the Antarctic.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they get lots of Chilean and Uruguayan or Chinese students and eventually call it the University of the Falklands or University of Stanley then it's pretty difficult for Argentina to start renaming things. They also have unprecedented access to the Antarctic for research.
They need some closer links with the research going on in Chile, New Zealand, South Africa, Tristan de Cunha, St Helena and Ascension though. But it'll all come with time.
Did I say they needed a subsea communications cable (from brazil) and a arterial road with bridge to connect east and west falkland yet?
Keep your chin up Falklanders, it's all headed in the right direction.
@64 Malvinero1
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0”AAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHA!
Waht (what) a joke!!!
uk IS FINISHED!! Just run for your life!”
You pathetic silly little fool, you’re the joke, trying to pretend you are not impotent.
@64 Little tip for you. Change your “name” to Loser01. Best to be prepared, eh?
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 Greek, excellent points the university is a great idea and hopefully the FI will be a leading playing in nature / environment conservation in the near future. Are there any plans to build one?
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also I think if the FI need to build links with friendlier nations in particular New Zealand (lots in common) and South Africa. Show South America you don't need them.
@68 The Cestrian
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us not forget Cyber warfare, with the advantage of denyability.
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