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Will no one listen to us Falkland Islanders?
By Roger Edwards, Falklands MLA - Published in The Guardian
The Falkland Islands have been much in the news of late, and we are extremely grateful for the strong support we have and are receiving from the people and the government of the UK. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood luck. I think you know the UK fully supports you. Government and people.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not just a very well written article but a very good point. There are far to many hypocritical, ignorant and down right stupid comments being said on this matter by people who not only know nothing about the entire subject but also have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Will no one listen to us Falkland Islanders?”
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falk what Roger? You are an Englishman(Brinkworth, Wiltshire)
That's right no one will listen to an archaic colonial government, go cry at church
We're still listening. As we always will. And still defending. As we always will. Against anybody. For as long as it takes. Especially against a certain belligerent neighbour. Or anybody else within at least 4,000 miles. And, when you are ready, we will be more than happy to see you as an independent nation. With a defence treaty so we can continue to come to your assistance whenever you need us. Or would you prefer to become an integral part of the United Kingdom? Also fine by every proper British person in the UK.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are not a colony of the United Kingdom; we are a British Overseas Territory”
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British homour at its best
Don't bother about South American dirtbags. They have no intelligence and no honour. Look out for South American humour, they like to create museums to commemorate defeats. That's funny. Actually, it seems they like to commemorate total wipe-outs. Probably because they are all cowards and there isn't a real man amongst them.. Just look at them. Margo and the Cowgirl.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos- Roger has the same right to call himslef an Islander as any person who comes and lives in your country and makes it his home and after a certain number of years qualifies to stand for election to your Govt. or are you going to say those people are not Argentines and have no rights?
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is more Roger helped fight for our freedom 30 years ago.
As regards colonialism - please tell me what is “colonial” about a Govt where all laws etc relating to all internal affairs have to be made and approved and passed by its elected members- who are the only ones who can vote on such laws?
And before you prattle on about laws receiving FCO Approval that is only for 2 reason - one that UK is legally responsible to the UN to ensure good fair democratic corrution free Govt in the Islands.
The 2nd is that the Queen is our head of State - the same way that all Australian/NZ/Canadian Laws receive her approval as well - or are you going to tell me they are still colonies?
No I will explain what would be a COLONIAL situation - the people of the Islands having their Laws decided for them by the provincial Govt of TDF they di not elect - several hundred miles away and with a very different lifestyle and culture - where they would only have a very small influence(assuming you would allow us one or two deputies there?)
And national laws and rules dictated to us by a Govt over 1000 miles away where we would have no direct voice. And neither of the above Law Maker Bodies being the choice of the Islands population anyway.
The Islands moved on from Colonialism a few decades ago - Argentina wants to reinstate it in old fashioned 19th century style.
Do grow up and stop talking drivel - you are almost as bad as your President.
Ekl Gaucho - read and assimilate first before speaking and writing- it will be less embarrassing for you.
Let´s analyze some statements of Mr. Edwards
Mar 06th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) “..We are not an implanted population..”
IS A LIE….50% of the population doesn´t born on the islands.
2) “..We are a diverse society, with people from around the world having made the islands their home..”
IS A LIE….almost 70% is british origin
3) “..Argentina is denying our right to exist as a people..”
IS A LIE….inhabitants of Malvinas islands according to UN is NOT a “people”, indeed they´re already self-determinated as british citizens and UN don´t see you as “people”..... not Argentina.
4) “..We are not a colony of the United Kingdom… We are not governed by Britain, but are entirely self-governing..”
IS A LIE..According to UN, Malvinas Islands is non-selfgoverning territory, in fact they call you and special case of COLONY.
5) “..We are not governed by Britain..”
IS A LIE… Nigel Robert Haywood current Governor of the Falkland Islands was planted and choseed by the finger of the Queen, without a single vote of the population.
6) “..We democratically elect our legislative assembly members…”
hmmm..….more of 50% of the members of Lesgislative Assembly not born in the Islands and gothere just for business, mostly are from England, just few examples:
- MLA´s Roger Edwards was born in Brinkworth, North Wiltshire, England
- MLA´s Dick Sawle was born in Sheffield, England
- MLA´s Richard Stevens was born in Plymouth, England
- MLA´s Emma Jane Edwards was born in Portsmouth, England
- MLA´s Dr Elsby, born in England
- MLA´s Richard Davies, born in England
- Keith Biles JP, Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, born in England
- Nigel Robert Haywood current Governor of the Falkland Islands, born in England.
- Etc, etc..the list continue…..
And finally say Mr Edwards say:
“.. All we ask is to be left in peace to choose our own future, and responsibly develop our home for our children and generations to come..”
Agree,
OBBEY 30 UN RESOLUTIONS AND SOLVE IN PEACE THE SOVEREIGNTY PROBLEM WITH ARGENTINA
5 El Gaucho Rivero
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Taking the name of a murdering scumbag, eh? Event the Junta dropped him like a hot brick when they found out the truth and they were a bunch of murderers as well!
You have probably read the fabled approach, aka as lies on “26 de Agosto de 1833”.
You have about as much intillignece as him: WTF is 'homour'? Do you mean 'humour' per chance?
@ 9
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yeah, a typo, my mistake
and as for the rest of your input, I don't give a flying duck either, so long
hmmm..….more of 50% of the members of Lesgislative Assembly not born in the Islands and gothere just for business, mostly are from England, just few examples:
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slice of good old argie Hypocrisy anyone?
María Eugenia Estenssoro is a Bolivian-born Argentine politician, journalist and activist for women's rights. She represents the city of Buenos Aires in the Argentine Senate.
@8 SELF-DETERMINATION
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all know the one and only way to move on peacefully for all parties, and if Argentina truly wants to give peace a chance, it will take Argentina to finally act responsibly and accept and respect ALL rights and interests of The Falklanders as a recognized people, regardless if they disgracefully believe The Falklanders are not people who have rights. Quite an archaic and ludicrous approach to take in eyes of the modern world, dont you think?
Argentina a friendly piece of advice take your eye off the Oil, and truly appreciate what and who you have.
@8....2) “..We are a diverse society, with people from around the world having made the islands their home..”
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IS A LIE….almost 70% is british origin”
So 30% come from somewhere else... therefore 'people from around the world hav(e) made the islands their home..”
Dill.........
@8
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you want the Falklanders to be Xenophobic like you argies
Civic Coalition mayoral candidate María Eugenia Estenssoro filed a complaint against the requirement of being “native Argentine or offspring of native Argentines,” because she considers it “discriminatory” and that it violates the constitutional principle of equality against the law.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/68658/estenssoro-files-complaint-over-candidacy-restriction
@8 “”1) “..We are not an implanted population..”
Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IS A LIE….50% of the population doesn´t (sic) born on the islands.”
Who went there of their own free will.....
dropkick........
#13, #15...Franky boy, before you continue....
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please stop it, add some value in your comments, is pretty bored.
Yawn....
@16
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0au contraire sofa,Frank is doing a great job of ripping the shite out of El Gaucho Rivero's, not well thought out tirade
@ALL this is hilarious, we have an Argentinian trying to win the hearts and minds of people by naming himself after a murderer, which let's be fair, wouldn't be any different to calling himself Mr Landmines.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have a furkwit telling the UK to 'obey' 30 non-binding UN Resolutions that are optional, when Argentina doesn't even listen to binding resolutions like UNSCR 502.
The fact here is, the UK doesn't have a sovereignty issue about the Falklands, we have a good relationship with them, and they're a BOT until they feel they don't want to be. The only people who have an issue here is Argentina, and let's be fair, this bullying neo-italiano-mafia run sh!thole isn't exactly in any position to make any demands and if it was a horse, would have been put out of it's misery a long time ago.
Regardless of the oil, Falklands people, just focus on Ecotourism, Organic Food, and Sustainable energy and in 10 years you won't even be thinking about Argentina... other than picking up those that try to swim there for a better life.
# 17 vos también sticky.....add smth please...
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZZZZZzzzzzzzz
bored :|
Awesome article from FI Govt, love it.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope everyone in Argentina and SA read this and realise how pathetic they have been behaving, just like school yard bullies. The islands are populated by a wonderfully diverse population. Leave them in peace.
I want the whole world to read this. I for one will be promoting this article, others should do the same. Hopefully then the world will wake up and not tolerate any more aggression from their jealous obsessive neighbour.
Well said, Mr. Edwards. I believe the immense majority of Uruguayan citizens wish the Falkland Islands well.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 OK so you want some 'value added'
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'6) “..We democratically elect our legislative assembly members…”
“”6) “..We democratically elect our legislative assembly members…”
hmmm..….more of 50% of the members of Lesgislative Assembly not born in the Islands and gothere just for business,“”
The Prime Minister of Australia was born in Wales..... that doesn't make Australia argentinian......
Sofa, everything you have written @8 is bullshit....
Happy now?
# 22...hmm, nah franky, the example is not good enought and seem you still don´t get it the concept of have >50% of MLA in hands of the metropoli (UK) while you claim to be a different “people” ???
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..... but keep trying.
c´mon you can do it better.
:)
I don't care about any of the issues Argentina has, not those relating to sovereignty and not those relating to economics. It's not for the UK to sort out their issues, they should get off their arses and do it themselves.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better for sofa and his friends to sort out those problems than ranting on about things that UK folk don't care about.
in falkland insulae, prosperitatem vivit
I like to think I'm open, rather than feeble, minded but I have to admit I can see why a number of nations regard BOT as a synonym for British Colony. If it isn't an independent state with its own place at the UN and it isn't a constituent part of the United Kingdom returning a Member of Parliament, what is it? It really could look, to outsiders, to be a colony in a unbroken if diminishing tradition that goes back through Rome to Greece.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very typical of that tradition is Mr Edwards' story. Like a soldier of Rome he ends his military career in a distant place, leaves the service, decides to stay, marries a local girl and takes up farming - a colonus indeed.
None of which should be taken to mean I don't agree with him, just that I can see why those who are not lucky enough to have been born or become part of the “Anglosphere” might well not.
#24 I told you before, ......although you don´t deserve much time please allow me this little advice boy.....
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should stop putting things in your nose ...... is burning your brain and this sitution in your case is obvious (and boring).
get lost small soul
nice link
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://alexandravaliente.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/britain-threatens-nuclear-attack-on-argentina/
@25 I understand, but many of these territories simply cannot become independent, either because the UN would refuse or mafia-run sharks like Argentina would gobble them up. So, I think I can personally take the disdain of some non-anglospheric hell-holes, under the knowledge that the people living in these places are safe at night.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new tradition is the modern relationship that we have with these places.
7 Islander1
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Governor Nigel Haywood said today ”I am delighted that Keith(Padgett) won this against very strong competition from overseas candidates. We needed to be sure that we found the best candidate for the job, and Keith was offered the position after a lengthy and rigorous selection process”(suuure)
Did you vote for this Englishman too? He moved to Malvinas a few years ago and call himself a falklander..pleeease.
If you are having a hell of a time trying to convince the world that you are not an archaic British colony in South America is because you are one.
He moved to Malvinas a few years ago and call himself a falklander..pleeease.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pleeease
Argentina grants ID card to man born in Falkland Islands
Argentina's president has given a national identity card to a man born in the disputed Falkland Islands, celebrating his unusual decision to seek Argentine citizenship.
@28. I understand your points too. To achieve (bilateral) independence from Britain in accordance with the UN Declaration on Decolonisation would be to declare (unilateral) independence from Argentina (from the perspective of Argentina and its allies). Those nations that bear a grudge against UK for slavery and colonialism in the past would simply look at the British Garrison that would be necessary to protect against your second risk and say ”this is just a British puppet state
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the best thing is to stop worrying about what these bitter and prejudiced people think and say, get the oil flowing, build up the sovereign wealth fund and just do it. Declare independence that is.
30 stick James Peck was born in Argentina, I don't see why he can not obtain a national ID.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 Sure, the key is to remember that this simply is not an sovereignty issue to the UK. There is no issue. The only people that have an issue are the Argentinians, and that's for them to resolve. Then we can all just get on with doing our own stuff.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, they can build up a nice sovereign wealth fund to invest in infrastructure and pensions. Good luck to them, I say.
@27 - Nice bullshit article written by a amateur blogger....
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Britain hasn't said it has sent a nuclear armed submarine to the area
2. Britain hasn't threatened a nuclear attack
On the in the wildest fantasy of some Argentine moron and support equally by a horde of Argentine retards does this article hold any water.
Ever wonder why the UN ignored the Argentine speech? Well quite simply it was all made up and everyone was busy laughing at Timmerman!
Why bother with what they think,
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is of no concern to us, what they think, or do,
The British have many options, but choose to be passive, in the matter, but that’s politicians for you, but the fact is, as long as the islands wish to remain British, there is nothing anyone else can do abt it,
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And we all know, that the only reason why undesirables come top side, is when they perceive the owner as being weak, Argentina is not the only aggressors to crawl out of the woodwork, Spain is at it, both perceive Britain as weak,
And they smell money, profit , extra land,
But they will not get them, now or ever, as long as the islanders wish to remain British.
And as long as our politicians don’t sell us out to the euro overlords .
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30 stick James Peck was born in Argentina, I don't see why he can not obtain a national ID.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont be silly,he was born in the Falklands
@33. I can't agree that Argentina are the only ones who think this is an issue. Rightly or wrongly, deeply or superficially, the members of the UN C24 and many Caribbean and South American do too. I know, I know, who cares? But that is international diplomacy for you.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 Xect
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the news is true, It is a crap, bullshit!!
@38 Or when its unsubstantiated lies, it's Argentine news!
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly that level of lies astonishes me even for an Argentinian.
@37 Simply no one gives a furk about the UN C24. Here is where in 2008 the head of Gibraltar told them to their faces that they were just utterly redundant and useless.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When Chief Minister Caruana appeared last year he said it was pointless to keep returning because the C24 had never acted on Gibraltar's behalf but had, instead, always chosen and continued to be silent. Gibraltar, he said, had moved on but the C24 had chosen to remain behind....It was not colonial in nature: she was no longer a colony. The committee, he affirmed, had therefore made itself irrelevant. ” (Source: http://en.mercopress.com/2009/06/11/spain-warns-about-delisting-and-colonialism-by-consent-at-c24)
They've not suddenly become useful in 4 years, if anything they've got worse, and people seem quite happy to tell them to their faces that they're utterly without remit.
Who is this gaucho rivero murdering guy? he dosent sound like normal argentine criminals of the past, not very germanic sounding enough!!!
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 The Treaty of Westphalia has a lot to answer for. 24 States make up the C24. Those states each have positions on this issue which go together through consensus to make up the Committee's position. Unfortunately it does seem that more than one of those states supports Argentina (and Spain for Gibraltar) in regarding this as still an issue. I think that was the point I was making - not that C24 was right or is in anyway effective.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 Xect
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm an American, I'm also active in the Truth Movement, I posted this up on my facebook page and immediately got about 20 comments, mostly from American's but people living all over the world. None of them in support of Argentina. The truth is guys your country look pretty extreme when the facts are laid bare.
The islanders desire the right to be left alone by Argentina until such time as Argentina grows up.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be happy to spend another 4 months in the islands to defend them.
Mind you a 45 year old ex private is probably militarising the falkands :)
@43 As an American you are, of course, a citizen of one of the remaining UN classified colonialist nations (an administrative power over a non-self governing territory) yourself. Your friends views are interesting and moral support is always welcome but it's your and your friends' governments that need to be influenced to remonstrate with Argentina's government to withdraw its claim.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a lot of growing World sympathy and support for the Falkland Islanders.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina illegally invaded 30 years ago and have never apologised to the FI for their actions. 3 female FI were killed during the War.
Argentinians refer to them as 'Pirates', 'squatters' and other equally offensive names, they receive threats on a daily basis.
They refuse to recognise the FI right to self determination.
They refuse to let the FI dock with their flag in Argentinian ports and have even bullied other SA countries to join the intimidation.
The World needs to act to stop this discrimination.
Remember the Falkland Islanders have done nothing wrong and just want to live in peace.
43 - Tommy.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, its a shame Argentina keeps trying to engage the UK in political and economical combat, its not good for them and its not good for the islanders.
the Governor speaks
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/falklands-governor-speaks-to-argentina/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0RLLPuEf70
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 06 Conqueror (#) more respect South Americans, South Americans are not dirtbags maybe the crazy botox president of Argentina but we South americans are not Dirtbags
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, do pleases study how Falkland islands Govt work - and look at your own also. The Chief Executive does NOT make any Laws nor can he vote in making any Laws. He is the head of the civil service - the day to day management of government and writes policy proposals which he then discusses with MLAs etc and they may/may not carry them forward
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no doubt you have an unelected person in Arg doing a similar job. Most democracies do.
We should get an appartment in Liverpool, expel the people living there, put some bombs, occupy it with friends and family, put the argie flag or sth similar, and then the territory is ours. If owners claim we just say they are ours because we say it and because we want self determination.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the history you tell is always changing, according to MP Ive read the 100 of versions already.
the malvinas remain british as a matter of political expendiency not principle.
I'm an American, I'm also active in the Truth Movement, I posted this up on my facebook page and immediately got about 20 comments, mostly from American's but people living all over the world. None of them in support of Argentina. The truth is guys your country look pretty extreme when the facts are laid bare.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really,tommy?/ Because I have many friends in USA and Canada,and they support Argentina.Strange that a yank will support uk,after they burned their Capitol......Not to mention the latinos,who support Argentina totally....
Let see the USA public..
Why do so many American support Argentina in the Falklands ?
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100319181631AAVCIJR
Wake up brits,you lost support in SA and also NA...Time to leave for good....bye bye....
52 malen “We should get an appartment in Liverpool, expel the people living there, put some bombs, occupy it with friends and family, put the argie flag”
Mar 07th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great idea! Let's claim self dermination in England!
Let's make sure we put the “argie flag” like you said...
“We stole countries with the cunning use of flags”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg&feature=related
Amazing way to reinvent the history! Unbelievable manipulation. « The Islands were unoccupied when their ancestors came? » Not at all, they were occupied by Argentina since many years before. Tierra del Fuego has nothing to do with the situation in 1833 ! The reader will have the impression that Argentina just sent an « illegal garrison » three months before the British came and nothing else. Forget the taking of possession of 1820 without any British protest, the administrative acts performed during the 1820s without British protest until 1829, the presence of Vernet’s colony since 1826 without British protests. Etc, etc. Mr Edwards (how many generations?), you will not go too far with this kind of manipulations.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing way to reinvent the history! Unbelievable manipulation. « The Islands were unoccupied when their ancestors came? » Not at all, they were occupied by Argentina since many years before. Tierra del Fuego has nothing to do with the situation in 1833 ! The reader will have the impression that Argentina just sent an « illegal garrison » three months before the British came and nothing else. Forget the taking of possession of 1820 without any British protest, the administrative acts performed during the 1820s without British protest until 1829, the presence of Vernet’s colony since 1826 without British protests. Etc, etc. Mr Edwards (how many generations?), you will not go too far with this kind of manipulations.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Professor Cohen: You are the most respected voice in this “forum”.Forum is for exchange of information,in a civilized and respected manner.90% of the participant here are ignorant hooligans,triying to vent the frustation of their miserable life.
Of course edwards is a LIAR.In the c-24,“He was imploring the commitee,no to adopt the resolution as drafted”.Of course,the foreign people who have studied the truth of the MAlvinas issue,do not give a damn about a LIAR,like him...
Thanks again,Professor Cohen.
I am glad that my Roman Catholic granpa,had an underground network in Italy,saving Jews from the Nazi grip.
Shalom!
“Jamaica's PM welcomes Prince Harry – but wants to replace his grandmother”
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Kelpers welcome Prince Williams- but they want to keep his grandmother)
“Simpson Miller also suggested that Britain might want to apologise for the ”wicked and brutal” years of slavery
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/06/prince-harry-jamaica-visit-republic
Malvinero, Vernet, once realising the british claim to the islands asked their permission. So, in effect, not really giving the RG claim much credence, otherwise he wouldnt have asked. He most likely played the RG gov. off the british gov. for his own interests.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0And once again Marcos...your point is what???
43 Tommy
Mar 07th, 2012 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank for your comments. These brits and bennies are totally aggressive!!!
43 Tommy
Mar 07th, 2012 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank for your comments. These brits and bennies are totally aggressive!!!
kiwi????No capisce???
Malvinero, Vernet, once realising the british claim to the islands asked their permission. So, in effect, not really giving the RG claim much credence, otherwise he wouldnt have asked. He most likely played the RG gov. off the british gov. for his own interests.
No you got everything twisted.That is thereason uk never wins in the UNGA and C24.Never could prove Argentina wrong.uk is wrong from the begining.What Mr Argerich,taugth you was the legal path.uk is AT THE SAME level of somaly pirats....uk iS A GONNER,not an example of law and fairnes.LIke the USA,both decadent countries....Piss the international law...
@29 Marcos
Mar 07th, 2012 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0And vernet was from hamburg and moved to BA to start a business, and you guys hold him in high esteem as an RG?
regarding Keith P. He is british, and the Falklanders have british passports too so being english has nothing to do with it! It is about being part of the UK.
Did you know that some people from Scotland sit in the house of commons?
Does that confuse you?
And vernet was from hamburg and moved to BA to start a business, and you guys hold him in high esteem as an RG?
Mar 07th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well,is like saying Argentina employs a british citizen to do some work...So.....He was a very able person in administering,He even patented a method for curing hides, they called Vernetization” the procedure...
Before leaving he once again sought permission from the British Consulate in Buenos Aires. The British asked for a report for the British government on the islands, and Vernet asked for British protection should they return.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Show me proof to the contrary
“A Brief History of the Falkland Islands, Part 3 - Louis Vernet: The Great Entrepreneur”
Another poll
Mar 07th, 2012 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/39-of-tory-voters-believe-in-a-military-option-over-falklands-oil/
Another poll
Mar 07th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who give a dam about that.That is the only think you know....PUre piracy.They will end badly,like any thief....No question.uk pissed off tooo many people...Just watch out they do not shoot you lordy...
re malvinero in general
Mar 07th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'd get more sense out of a parrot with a lisp!
malen good luck with your plan to colonise liverpool:)
Mar 07th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you leave any valuables at home :)
the wheels are likely to be stolen off your little armoured car before you get out of the port.
Frinton on sea is possibly a better target for colonisation.
@55 Prof Kohen, you know the rules. If you're going to come in here, then at least show some kind of logic as if you were really a lawyer, and stop sounding like a child accusing other children of doing what they just accused you of doing. That strategy doesn't work in courts, and it doesn't work here.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@56 “I am glad that my Roman Catholic granpa,had an underground network in Italy,saving Jews from the Nazi grip.” We are also glad that your Grandfather lied to you about his work with Uncle Benito, because let's face facts, the catholics supported the ratruns to get the SS out to Argentina, and if your grandfather hadn't lied to you, you wouldn't have been able to look him in the face.
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Mar 07th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01) “..We are not an implanted population..”
IS A LIE….50% of the population doesn´t born on the islands.
Don't think this was run past the supercilious one as seems to acknowledge that at least 50% of the Falkland Islanders are not implanted and therefore have the right of self determination.
Still LMAO at how confused the Argentinians have become over their Cruise Ship policy.
Well done Roger.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0It does seem that the mindset of many Argentinians can't grasp the legitimacy of the Falklands and its going to take time, perhaps generations, for Argentina to become trustworthy, with their President flitting between the role of friend and foe on a whim every 2 days and their parliament voting through subversive actions.
Britain and the Falklands will win through. It always does.
Don't know whether this is the right time and place to throw my support behind the Falkland Islanders but I'm going to do it anyway.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that each and every one of you must be sick and tired of the constant Sabre rattling coming from your immediate neighbour, and ceaseless whining about “we want our Islands back” but know this. We here in the U.K will ALWAYS support your right to decide your own future and defend you against the aggression of others.
Respects and God speed
from the U.K
Very well put. Would love to visit the Falkland Islands some day. Argentines should take a good hard look at themselves and their obnoxious behaviour, and how it looks to the rest of the civilised world. The continual RG whine, the obsession, the poisoning of the minds of their school children with the hard luck “malvina” myth. Just State sponsored madness. Fascist control freaks. I cannot think of any country in South America that would want to be absorbed into argentina.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very well spoken, Roger.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0l agree 100%.
Stirred up a few RGs though! Good, the liars need stirring up.
Britain and the Falklands will win through. It always does.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very well spoken, Roger.
l agree 100%.
Stirred up a few RGs though! Good, the liars need stirring up.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
What an idiots you are,poor deluded ex empires...
74 Malvinero1
Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear............. round we go again.
You know, if you put half as much energy into sorting your own country out as you do spitting bile at other people, Argentina might, given a few decades, might be able to pull through.
You could supprise me, I bet you don't but you could......
“AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0What an idiots you are,poor deluded ex empires...”
74 Malvinero1
I can see you now melvinero, a little fascist prick, oversize boots, in a nazi suit, tears in your eyes, doing a hitler salute, with a stupid little toothbrush moustache.
In your own small mind .... a very important spic. Cristine would be proud.
@7 Well said as indeed was Roger Edwards article.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So well said infact that it has rattled all the pro-Malvanist bloggers to the point where they struggle to make a come back and end up repeating their stupid lies and hypocrisy with insults and jealous child like comments.
In a strange way, the CFK propaganda machine 'using' rock and film stars has scored a 'home goal', as instead of raising the media interest on the subject to allow Argentina its viewpoint on the world stage it has backfired so badly that it has raised the media interest and thus world realisation that they are just as bad as they ever were when they were governed by dictators who would do anything to stay in power, including getting well known celebrities to repeat their lies.
Where isnthis “islander” from? This politician was born in the islands and raised there to claim what he claims?
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brief History of the Falkland Islands, Part 3 - Louis Vernet: The Great Entrepreneur”
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link is:http://www.falklands.info/history/history3.html
Well,to my knowledge that it is not true...That is a twisted version of the reality.
Professor Kohen:British protest until 1829, the presence of Vernet’s colony since 1826 without British protests.
No protest by the brits.
If not,ask the MAlvinenses,to show that “proof” in theirs claim....They allways lose...So which one is true then??
@78 Alejomartinez
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roger Edwards was born in the UK. He has resided on the islands for many years, at least since the war in 1982 whereas he fought with British Forces to reclaim the islands from their unwelcome guests. He married an islander and has brought up his own family born and bred on the islands. He has been an active member of the FIG for many years and is a proud Falkland Islander. He has every right to 'claim what he claims' as you put it, far more rights than some of the bloggers on this forum and in the press such as Shaun Penn & Co.
79 Malvinero1 - There you go again.....
Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Well,to my knowledge that it is not true...That is a twisted version of the reality”
Me thinks that you are a twisted version of your own reality, perhaps you should go and lie down in a dark room for a while... your posts are becoming more and more out of touch with reality and are making less and less sense.... I am worried that you are on the verge of a breakdown or “going postal”. Maybe you need professional help?
27 Kiwisarg (#)
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:56 pm
Has anyone read some of Kiwis link? It's really good. It implies the 25,000 land mines on the Falklands were laid by the British to fend off an Argentine attack. It manages to confuse “nuclear powered” with “nuclear armed” too. You've got to laugh at those who believe the Argentine government knows where the Tridents are.
Here is a link to a video which sums up the Argentine case for the Falklands
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Josseppi Lenardos channel. Malvinas v Falkland Islands. Negociation with the U.N.
8 so_far ----- were you born an uneducated idiot or do you work at for a few hours a day.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) “..We are not an implanted population..”
IS A LIE….50% of the population doesn´t born on the islands.
What part don't you understand? To me and the rest of the world implanted means when someone who does not want to be there is sent someplace and made to live in that place a little bit like we did to the convicts that we sent down to Australia they did not want to go but were implanted in that land.
Now read very slowly so that your brain can keep up, if I wanted to go and live on the Falkland islands and as long as I met all criteria’s I could on my own free will get on an aircraft and go and live and work there.
2) “..We are a 2) “..We are a diverse society, with people from around the world having made the islands their home..”
IS A LIE….almost 70% is british origin, with people from around the world having made the islands their home..”
IS A LIE….almost 70% is British origin
Yep I can see that you work at being a complete idiot
70% of British Origin.
30% from other countries.
What part of diverse society don't you understand?
If you are an example of how Argentines think no wonder, your country is in such a mess.
I won’t bother with the rest of your rhetoric we could educate you every single minuet of your lifetime but your so dense in the head that you would die still thinking that you as an Argentine were a human being.
@8 Just a brief comment. “Argies” are an implanted population. 90% of European origin. Then there are the Jews, the blacks and the asians. You are only 1-3% non-implanted. Must be tough being psychotic, eh?
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 You're funny. You publish a link that says nothing. Where a link has to be followed to another article written by an argie-paid pseudo-intellectual, quoting arguments that have been destroyed time after time after time after time.... You get the picture. A central plank of the article (quite appropriate as it is written by a plank) are a host of UN General Assembly resolutions that you, and others, have been told time after time after time after time.....etc. are NON-BINDING. It's a fairly easy hyphenated word. So which part of NON did you not understand? BINDING may be a little more difficult for you as it is frequently used to describe problems with the human system of waste elimination. And you don't seem to have any problem with sh*te coming out of all your orifices. Just as a matter of FACT, Britain doesn't comment or make statements about ANY of its submarines. So who says there is a British nuclear-armed submarine in the South Atlantic?
@32 “James Peck was born in Argentina” Was he? Poor sod. Life ruined right from the off.
@50 Prove it!
@55 You will not get very far with this lack of FACTS. Take it step by step, starting in 1690.
@56 Professor, eh? Like alex arg, the unemployed kindergarten teacher?
@57 Nope. They should be grateful. But for Britain, they'd still be in trees!
@60 Yep. Decadent enough to turn you into gas! But mature enough not to.
@79 Can't be bothered. You're a jerk. Is that why your keyboard sticks? The constant jerking?
@83 Is that supposed to be a link? It isn't. Read the handbook and try again.
“All this crap about being educated from birth about the Malvinas. If they were that committed, why didn't they fight for it?” Major Chris Keeble, after the defeat of Argentinian forces at Goose Green 1982
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When thouasands of fighting troops suddenly march into your house to tell you, with the barrel of a gun stuck up your nose, that you must no longer speak english, but spanish, you have a right to be defended by any civilised nation” Lt Robert Lawrence
i do love military quotations :)
It would seem thats argentina has forgotten, they were the BAD GUYS in 82, know wonder the islanders want very little to do with argentina!
This is easy: if a neighbor would usurp land in the back of his house, does someone hear the invader trying to justify their attacks? it could happen to anyone. unfortunately to my country: Argentina.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheer up Mr Edwards, it could be worse.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/kiribati/9127576/Entire-nation-of-Kiribati-to-be-relocated-over-rising-sea-level-threat.html
I do hope my future great grand children will never have to read an article entitled “Entire-population-of-Falkland-Islands-to-be-relocated-over-rising-Argentinian-threat”!
#85
Mar 07th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry about the “link” - the video is on you tube. Not being particularly computer literate I could find any info. that would take you to the site. You will have to go to you tube and put in the title in search. It's worth the effort.
It's the best laugh I have had for a good long while
@89 what you do is to go to youtube and bring up the video. Then “copy” the address in your address bar and “paste” it into your message. “Copy” and “paste”? Highlight what you want to copy. Right-click. Click on “Copy”. Go to where you want to put the link. Position the cursor. Right-click. Click on “Paste”. Keep trying.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 so_far
Mar 07th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do nothing but lie and keep lying, infact you lie so much, you think it is the truth.
@59 Kiwisarg
Go back to Argentina
@83 Clyde15
No link, and No negotiations required
@87 nitrojuan
Using a false premise as usual
Anyway enough of all this bullshit time to take the piss out of Argentina with a few jokes
Mar 07th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does an Argentine commit suicide?
- he climbs to the top of his ego and jumps off.
How do you recognize an Argentine spy?
- From the sign on her back that says, 'I'm the greatest spy in the world.'
How do you make a quick buck?
- Buy an Argentine for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.
An Argentine asks a Spaniard, 'Friend, do you know which country is closest to heaven?
- 'Argentina, I suppose,' retorts the angry Spaniard. 'No, friend', says the Argentine. 'It's Uruguay!' (Argentina's neighbor)
A psychologist calls her colleque at 2 am. 'It's an emergency!' she says. 'At two in the morning? It better be good', says her colleque. 'I have a unique client', says the first. 'It's an inferioritiy complex!' 'An inferiority complex? But they're so common!' shouts the colleque. The psychologist reponds, 'Yes, but ... an Argentine?'
The Argentines accuse us of lying................LOL.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do a lot of that themsleves. It tends to be pretty feeble minded stuff too.
All the UK and FI has to do is stick to the truth, it hurts the Argentinians far more.
All they want is there little smirking triumphant goose stepping victory march through port stanley while they haul their flag of occupation over it.
The big lie is always the favorite trick when someone seeks to invade und subjugate someone elses homeland.
Poor Argies, no matter what they say, or how they scream it,
Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They achieve nothing,
They are alone and acting like gorillas always wading in, and abusing the little guy,
Perhaps they need another little guy, to give them another beating,
But of course they are peaceful now, none violent and all that,
Its a shame they don’t practise what hey preach .
But then bullies only know one thing, [defeat ]
.
When thouasands of fighting troops suddenly march into your house to tell you, with the barrel of a gun stuck up your nose, that you must no longer speak english, but spanish, you have a right to be defended by any civilised nation
Mar 08th, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is rigth.Blow the brits.They have done it so many times...Now it is their time..
Some Argentinians are making their point that such a huge percentage of FI citizens were not born there. So, one might ask the question, just what percentage of them were born in Argentina. However, since the argument seems to be about what percentage were actually born there, I'm a little curious just what percentage of the population, actually born there, are of Argentine heritage. Basically, if Argentinians are going to make the argument that folks not born in the FI don't count, they've just neutralized their entire argument.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've been following this ongoing “argument” for some time now, and I'm really glad to finally hear from the very people, who are the ones who are actually affected. Great article!
Morning Malvinero :-) Still playing with the worms in the back yard?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
SO BRING IT ON YOU IRRITATING FASCIST PIG!
@97 brit abroad,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'll have to forgive Malvinero1.
He's one of those people who just can't help it.
He is, however making some small progress.
His post @95 was free of the usual:-
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH
Damn, now hes got me doing it!
LOL
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I miss him! He gives me reason for being on here
98 lsolde and 99 brit abroad
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dare I suggest we all start a fan club devoted to the Inane ramblings of Malvinero?? We should, between the three of us, publish a book of his most current and thought provoking quotes, could you imagine? it would be a comedy best seller! we could get him on “Question time” and book him to do a signing tour.
I hope he reads this and understands that, even if we don't share his point of view, we, as his loyal fans, eagerly await his next post!!
OK, I suggest we make it a comic strip - something like a Viz character.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that despite all his ramblings he somehow becomes elected as presdient of RGLand. Then manages to turn the country into the worlds no 1 super power! the twist being that he is oblivious to how he mananged it!
@96 It matters not. You cannot expect FIslander ladies and gents just to fall in love with other people from their family, however accepted this practice is in Argentinian culture. If they want to marry someone from UK and then that person wants to play a part in civic life, then that's nice. Then in a few years, their children will be born in the FIslands and the argentinian argument fails again.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's better just to ignore Argentinians, they make little or no sense, and if you try to think about it too much, it just makes you feel sad about their lack of humanity and ethics.
@101 LOL, Oh I hope he reads this!!
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0We could do with a original quote. something breathtakingly concise and to-the-point that is so revolutionary in it's turn of phrase and idea that it shakes the foundation of your culture and causes you to question the very reason of your existance............
Do you think he'll be able to write one like that, just to get us started?
ooohhhh the agony of waiting......
The thrill of not knowing.....
We might have upset him, all l hear is blessed silence.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvineroooooooo? Wherefor thou art?
Pleeeeeeeeeease answer.
We need you,
We want you,
We love you...........maybe that last one is going a bit too far!
Don't disappoint us Malvibaby.
101 brit abroad
Mar 08th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0See?? Isolde just gave us the name for our cartoon strip “Malvibaby”!!!
I don't know where he's gone but if we wait and try not to make any noise, he might come out of his hidout and we could catch a quite glimpse of him.........
From 8 so_far
Mar 08th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) “..We are not an implanted population..”
IS A LIE….50% of the population doesn´t born on the islands.
Musky: so the other 50% don't count? several Falklanders can trace their origins back 7 generations, can you do the same in your country?
2) “..We are a diverse society, with people from around the world having made the islands their home..”
IS A LIE….almost 70% is british origin
Musky: so the other %30 don't count? Britain is diverse and Falklands has the same flavour.
3) “..Argentina is denying our right to exist as a people..”
IS A LIE….inhabitants of Malvinas islands according to UN is NOT a “people”, indeed they´re already self-determinated as british citizens and UN don´t see you as “people”..... not Argentina.
Musky: ok, so the only true people are pre-history natives. All the spanish descent Argentinians are not a people either.
Musky: Your president and parliament (till the next military coup) are doing all they can to isolate and deprecate the Falklanders.
4) “..We are not a colony of the United Kingdom… We are not governed by Britain, but are entirely self-governing..”
IS A LIE..According to UN, Malvinas Islands is non-selfgoverning territory, in fact they call you and special case of COLONY.
Musky: Sorry, so_far, you are mistaken, they are a British Self-governing Territory, with a longer history of democracy than Argentina.
5) “..We are not governed by Britain..”
IS A LIE… Nigel Robert Haywood current Governor of the Falkland Islands was planted and choseed by the finger of the Queen, without a single vote of the population.
Musky: Wrong again so_far, his executive power is directed by the Falklands legislative assembly.
6) “..We democratically elect our legislative assembly members…”
hmmm..….more of 50% of the members of Lesgislative Assembly not born in the Islands and gothere just for business, mostly are from England, just few examples:
Musky: it's a democracy following the rules laid down in the UK, newcomers get the
@toooldtodieyoung
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While reading your last post about waiting for malvibaby coming out off hiding - I started imaging you using David Attenboroughs' voice........
“and here we see, caught on our camera, an elusive ”malvinista”.................
# 106 Musky
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Yes, many argentines could trace 7 generations without problem,
anyway thats don´t change the fact that almost inhabitants of Malvinas are originally trasplanted individuals (mostly known as “pirates”) as well their actual descendents (mostly known as “squatters”).
:)
2) Malvinas is not a diverse society, more than 70% is british origin and were implanted long time ago by the colonizer metropoli (UK).
About the 30% left of course count...they´re mainly chileans and also from others nationalities who made the “special” jobs. Look the employees of Malvina Hosuse for example. Thats your 30%.
3) According to UN and their 30 Resolutions....all of them call for a pacefully soution of soverignty of the islands between Argentina and UK...no one single word of 3th party, of Falklanders, and less yet that they could use self.-determination again, becasue they ´re already self-determinated as british citizen since 1983 !..remember ??
nosense at all to again call for self-determination, is ridiculous.
4) According to UN, Malvinas Islands is non-selfgoverning territory, in fact they call you and special case of COLONY.
Don´t fool yourselves....nobody bealieve you,this is crystal like water, check UN link.
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
5) Totally Wrong, Mr Haywood is an employee of the crown, today working in Malvinas but also were givin services few years ago in other countries (Irak, Lybia, etc.etc).
He´s is just a mercenarie, again don´t fool yourselves, nobody bealieve you, check his “resume”.
6) Totally Wrong again. The concept of have >50% of MLA in hands of the metropoli (UK) while in the same time they claim to be a different “people” and call for self-determinations is not compatible, almost childish.
Conclusion: R.Edwards is a LIAR.
UK only need to obey and follow the United Nations Resolutions on the issue, (30 of them) and solve in peace the sovereignty historic problem with Argentina, his real owner.
108 so_far
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a new tag name for you that more aptley decribes you:-
SO NEAR BUT SO FAR AWAY
This was a pop song in the UK, many, many years ago, which again is relevant to you being so far behind. :o)
#109 no problem ChrisR, i prefer you change my nick than you using your knife on me...... the truth will prevail, thats all about, sorry i know you guys dislike that.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tutututut
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0remove the offending item fromargentine constitution, and that may go some way to ending argentine false claims,
but why argue over dates and places, you will never get them,
It is simple, ask yourself this: would you like to live free governed in a democracy like the Falkland Islanders or under the yoke of a load of Nazi comedians?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#112 Bob,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a person does not know how to drive........does not mean or gives you rights to steal her car. Simple
no, he just goes by bus or taxi or train or plane or bicycle or skates or just walks lol.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@108 so_far,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By continuously calling us pirats, squatters etc. you just harden our resolve not to talk to you.
UN Assembly resolutions are non-binding.
They are suggestions or recomendations.
The UK is within its rights to ignore them.
UN Security Council resolutions however are binding.
You must respect them.
UN Security Council resolution #502 called for Argentina to withdraw its forces from the Falklands in April 1982.
Argentina refused.
So you tell me sr so_far, which country is it that ignores UN resolutions?
Hypocrite.
We have stolen nothing from you.
You, however have stolen land from Paraguay in 1871 & would like to steal land from us.
Your country is a thief & a would be thief.
Too bad if you don't like it.
Why are you frightened to go to the ICJ.
Can it be that you know that you have no case?
@SHB 107
Mar 09th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0David Bellamy :-)
Title: “Generalissimo MaAAAAAAAAlvbAAAHAHAHHHHby”
A tale of one man tripping into power and saving the world
@brit abroad. LOL - “rummaging through the flora and fauna” .
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@So -far . All Argentine arguments are morally bankrupt. I just found out from another news item that your lot planned to ethnically cleanse the islands after the 1982 invasion.
With Argentinas track record of going back on agreements, who would like to bet that they would carry out another round today, all so that they can claim that they are “getting their own” back for (mostly lied about) events that happened 180 years ago.
SHB
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0see below my idea for malvineros speech that gets him into power:
Malvibaby:
I AAAAAAAAm Somebody
HAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA
I AAAAAAAAAAAm Somebody
HAHAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I May Be Incoherent
HAHAHHHHAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
But I Am Somebody
I May Be Confused
But I Am Somebody
HAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAGGGHHAAAAA
I May Be Dribbling
But I Am Somebody
HAHAHHHHAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAA
I May Like Playing with Worms
But I Am Somebody
I May Drag my Knuckles Along the Floor
OOOOOO OOOO AAHHH AAHHH
But I Am Somebody
My Maradona T-shirt Maybe Stained
My Cristina Kirchner Poster Soiled
My Face Odd
My Hair Greasy
But……………….
I AAAAAAAAm Somebody
I Am an RG
I Speak A Silly Language
But I Must Be AAHHHHHHGGGGGGGGHHHHHH …
Respected
Never Rejected
Constantly Injected
I AAAAAAAAAAAAm
Argentina’s Son
I Want Those Islands
Brits are Finished…. .Bye Bye
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAHAHAHAH
I am
Somebody
Marcos, Danyberger, JORGE, So_far, Dreyfoss & Kiwiarg:
(Scream in unison)
I Am
Somebody
Malvibaby:
WhAAAAAAAAAAAt Time is it?
(Pause)
What Time is it?
AAAGAGGHHHHHHHHHAAAHHHHHHH
Marcos, Danyberger, JORGE, So_far, Dreyfoss & Kiwiarg:
(screaming and jumping around hysterically) It’s Time!!!! It’s Time AHHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Malvibaby:
No really, I need to take my worms for a walk!
What Time is it?
The piece is a well written plea to engender pathos, and 99% on the mark as far as I can see in terms of the facts (the modern facts, as far as the history is concerned I don't care, the present is what counts). Except for one sentence: “we Falklanders want a relationship of co-operation and mutual benefit”. That is a patent lie plain and simple.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have time and again publicly stated you want no relations no matter what, so the Falklands Government is consciously dishonest when they go around the world with this line. Right now it does not matter much since it is my government being irrationaly aggressive, but the facts are the facts.
@108 so_far
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do have a solution to your desire to acquire the Falklands, become British! This seems the only way.
Don't you realise that the UK is not a belligerent nation but a democratic, accountable and enlightened nation, with its forces fighting terrorism on many fronts and its contribution to the world we see it as incalculable (and before you babble on about Empires... every European nation including your Spanish forefathers had massive empires) and yet it is powerless when it comes to the law. Scotland could break away from the UK and London would be powerless to prevent it. So what does that say about the Falklands. London is powerless when it comes to retaining the Falklands or indeed any overseas territory but it is the wish of the islanders to remain with the UK and we are proud to have them. And we will protect them and we will have the law on our side. And before you babble on about them not being a true people, look at your own roots.
It's time you and your like minded brethen started to grow up and got on with your neighbours in the 21st century and listen to what they want. 'Freedom of self determination' !
@120 Musky,
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very well said, sir.
But don't expect a coherent answer from so_far.
He believes everything that he was taught at school.
@119 tobias,
You split hairs too fine, señor.
Your country would like to disposess/enslave us & you prattle on about what our government says.
Our govt might like a relationship with you, but most of us do not.
l don't want to see you,
l don't want to hear you,
l don't want anything to do with you.
Finis
107 shb
Mar 09th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was thinking the same thing!
But come on guys, you have to admit that Malvi-baby does brighten your day with his own, off kilter postings.....
With summer coming up, I'm planning on booking a week off to visit planet “Malvinero1”........... I heard it's nice at this time of year........
Lsolde,
Mar 09th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you think your attitude will affect me in any microscopic fashion? It will only affect you (long term, your children), as the Falklanders denying the existence of land to their west is like the England denying the rest of Europe exists.
It is quaint that you attempt to separate the Falklanders from their government. All I keep reading is that you are the purest form of democracy on this bored... now suddendly you are not? And how can you make such a severing in a place of 3000 people, where all of you personally know your representatives? On its face your argument is risible.
And then it is Argentina with the 'non-sensical' talking points.
I'm being proven right all over this website today. Lsolde proves what I have been bruiting about the Falklanders being duplicitous in language is correct, but now she also confirms how it is not just Argentina who is irrational, as any locality of 3000 inhabitants pretending as a collective that a neighbor of 40 million and 3 million square km is to be ignored for all time... is a bit on the fey, pixilated side of mind.
Good day so far for all my arguments since I arrived here
a) the Falklanders do not want relations or co-operation with Argentina even if it was a serious reliable partner
b )95% of people here have no respectable knowledge of Argentina to be of any worth, yet have the audacity to declaim oracular disquisitions on the country, and will fight intelligent natives like me on the matter (even using the infamous line “some of my best friends are argentine”)
A line that has costed tens of millions of lives throughout history!
The FI will not be part of Argentina unless the FI population want to be so, end of story.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anything that happened 100's of years ago is irrelevant. We live in an age where people around the world decide who they want to be governed by, for example, Scotland are having a vote whether to become an independent nation and leave the UK. Its up to the Scottish people. As it is up to the Falkland Islanders what Govt they have.
My advice to any Argentinians reading this is to leave your neighbours alone in peace. You are wasting your time on this issue.
@123 I think I can reply to some of these...
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q: the Falklanders do not want relations or co-operation with Argentina even if it was a serious reliable partner?
A: Reliability or trustworthiness ARE NOT a part of the Argentinians core values, in fact lack of reliability, untrustworthiness and hypocrisy ARE a part of their core values. Even their cultural heroes aren't trustworthy, and they're all a bit weird. Therefore, they're pathologically incapable of being reliable.
b )95% of people here have no respectable knowledge of Argentina to be of any worth, yet have the audacity to declaim oracular disquisitions on the country, and will fight intelligent natives like me on the matter (even using the infamous line “some of my best friends are argentine”)
'Argentine friend' is oxymoronic. Argentinians are incapable of holding friendships as they clearly suffer from some kind of autism.
123 tobias
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right on one point at least,' Falklanders do not want relations or co-operation with Argentina even if it was a serious reliable partner', do you really think that Argentina has developed 'trust' with the islanders? Stop coming up with stupid comments as though you were the first to prove your points as correct, as stating the obvious is not being very clever at all! Have you not taken any notice of the silly actions of your Government over all these years? Don't you think that bullying your neighbors will only develop mistrust and eventually wars...thats how the 1982 war began just in case you have conveniently forgot about that too!
Another interesting point that you made and I quote, '95% of people here have no respectable knowledge of Argentina to be of any worth, yet have the audacity to declaim oracular disquisitions on the country, and will fight intelligent natives like me on the matter (even using the infamous line “some of my best friends are argentine”)
A line that has costed tens of millions of lives throughout history!', end quote. What the hell are you talking about here if 10's of millions of lives have been lost because people have used the line, 'some of my best friends are Argentine', please explain this as surely we would all know if saying this could cause more death than the black plague. Knob head!
How about if the UK Govt. sold 1 nuclear bomb to the FI Govt.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would this provide a sufficient deterrent to any potential invaders?
Your thoughts ppl ...
“Some of my best friends are Jewish.”
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Some of my best friends or indigenous to the land.”
“Some of my best friends are black.”
Nuff.
Tobias
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot be surprised that Falkland Islanders don't see that a relationship with Argentina as important to our future. Argentina has taught us that we can live without you. For the past 30 years Argentina has been waging a war of economic aggression, insults, lies and threats against us. What do you think we have been doing all this time? The answer is that we have been getting on with our lives without you and will need some considerable persuasion that there would be any benefit in having any kind of relationship with Argentina.
@Brit abroad - LOL , like it!
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Tobias - You still have'nt addressed the issue of how your country can win the trust of the islanders.
The 82 war was bad enough, along with the planned ethnic cleansing. Think how the islanders now view your country as a result.
Then there is the ongoing harrassment and grandstanding by the Argentine govt. The policy is one of confrontation, it's counterproductive.
If you were being targeted by a nation that wanted to force you to live under its laws and flag and they treated you like a “non - people” I bet you would'nt want anything to do with them.
The only way you'll ever get the Falklanders to be more cooperative is to stop treating them like dirt, try making some agreements and sticking to them.
Your comments about British racism are laughable when you look at how your country views the Falklanders. Do you think they deserve self determination or are they meerly an inconvenience to Argentinas grand scheme.
Good way of mixing apples and bananas (or is it bananas and oranges, I can't find any bananas in my supermarket you see, I was told there weren't any by people living 10,000 km away from the store).
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point whether Argentina can regain the islander's trust is irrelevant to my specific comment, because my point was the double-speak of the islanders, NOT its possible cause. They tell the world in various forums they want cooperation (because to state otherwise would weaken their position significantly in diplomatic circles), but we all know otherwise and two falkland citizens have stated and confirmed as much.
I am just calling out the Falkland Islands government for their lie, including in this piece. A lie is a lie no matter what the excuse or rationale for it is.
@130
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina needs to drop her claim to just Gran Malvina/West Falkland. Argentina's actual claim is unrealistic.
Let's do the math.
Argentina is actually claiming the whole Malvinas plus South Georgia and S.Sandwiches, that is crazy! That's a total of about 16,076 sq.km. If Argentina drops her claim to just Gran Malvina/W.Falkland, which is about 5,413 sq.km, that would be a 66% drop in territorial claim.
According to 2001 census, Gran Malvina/W.Falkland only has 144 people, almost all the kelpers are living in Port Stanley on Soledad/East Falkland.
Kelpers can hand over Gran Malvina/W. Falkland, and in exchange Argentina allows the Soledanos/East Falklanders unlimited land buying rights in continental Argentina! With all that oil money, Kelpers can by land in continental Argentina even larger than Gran Malvina/W. Falkland itself !! Think about that for a second!
@43 I posted this on my facebook too and got 0 comments? Anyone beat that?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit disappointing , I have 190 friends.
Can others post this to facebook too? especially those from neutral countries.
let us know...
Tobias
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did not say that Falkland Islanders have ruled out a future relationship with Argentina. I said that we would need some considerable persuasion that there would be any benefit in it. None of us are fool enough to jump into any kind of relationship with a country with an appalling track record in every respect. However the reason that we are even open to the possibility is that we don't fear you as much as you hate us. The truth is that Argentina has more to gain just from the process of successfully developing a relationship with us than we will ever gain from you.
@132 I'm struggling to understand why they should give you anything. It's not clear why they would give away their homeland to someone who just wants it and then shouts some incorrect history at them. If everyone adopted this policy then we'd all be living in a total state of flux, based around people's whims du jour.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina want's to have a Sovereignty issue, no one is stopping them. They have a sovereignty issue with every country around them, and they constantly renege on their treaties. However, it doesn't mean the other country also has a sovereignty issue.
Do you realise that Thin Nestor Sr walked out of negotiations, right?
@135
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, Argentina is the only country in the WESTERN HEMISPHERE with its land borders settled (yes, even the USA and Canada are still not 100% settled).
@134
I would agree you have no reason to trust us. That's something anyone rational can see (I'm the only rational person here, Pugol H, and Chris on occasion are two others).
Nice foisting there honoria. You are actually an intelligent contributor (a rarity here), who can redact subtlely. However your last sentence, I would suggest, may apply more to you actually. Because your ignorance of Argentina (outside its politics), is just as deep as ours of your society. Difference being there is more about Argentina out there to read on than about the Falkland Islands—by a factor of 100.000 (just because of demographics obviously).
So there should be no comparison at all in the gap in lack of understanding, yet there it is. Good luck to you.
In law,, there is nothing to stop Argentina sitting down at any table, including a table at the UN or the white house,
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In law, Argentina is quite lawful to talk to whoever is next to them,
But also in law, no one has to sit opposite them and talk,
So [Argentina] please feel free to sit at any table and talk,
You don’t have to talk to any one, and no one has to listen to you,
But you can sit and talk, and it will be legal, [and that’s a first] lol.
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Tobias, what views do you friends and family have on the Falklands?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@136
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LACK OF FACT: “Wrong, Argentina is the only country in the WESTERN HEMISPHERE with its land borders settled”
Hmm, argentina's land borders are settled. What about in the lebensraum colony that is Antarctica... is that settled? You pretend it's not a colony of course. What about the Southern Patagonia Ice Fields where KFC had the maps redrawn so that Argentina could steal large parts of Chile. Hmm... land grabbing argentinians so not out of character.
You pretend, you lie, you look a knob.
Antarctica is not a land border :o (mind blowing geographic knowledge)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the ice fields matter is settled for us, the Chilean parlament needs only to ratify but an agreemed WAS reached by both sides. We have no border issues with Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia, or Chile once that is ratified.
On the other hand, ALL other nations in the hemisphere have UNRESOLVED issues with no negotiations to settle in sight...
We are more civilized when it comes to our land borders, end of story. Suck it up like a man (a little man at least).
@140.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LACK OF FACT: Antarctica is not a land border.
That would make it a land border then, that is unsettled! ... and hmm... Still unsettled land Chilean land dispute is unsettled.
So you're basically a liar. Well done, mr lies.
By civilised you mean you invade someone elses islands, pyss land-mines everywhere and then refuse to admit you had your arses handed to you. You then cry like girls and wet yourselves before putting economic sanctions on the place you greedily want.
Well done again, mr lies X 2.
Nope, an agreement was reached. So it's not untettled, it's pending ratification.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an argie, I can teach you proper english. Just show your British identity card and I will allow you to learn your language properly.
@142 So it's not ratified so it remains unsettled. Thanks for clarifying that.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basically Argentina decided it wanted some of Chile, so it tried to take some of Chile and used some nonsense to retcon history to make it always a part of Argentina. I wonder where we've seen that strategy used before... hmmm.
Boarder disputes /land disputes in Antarctica is only ok when there are just two of you,
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But we can assure you that, in the future, there will be more that two of you, and disputes in the future will come,
We don’t know who between, but rest assured they will come .
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@144 I thought the Brits were peaceful and only standing up for self-determination. What is there to self-determine in Antarctica (you would lose the count anyway given there's more argies there)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143
No the border was agreed on, there is no dispute on the border, it remains unratified officially, the issues themselves were worked out.
Again, ease yourself slowly into your own language (how can you have problems comprehending when there isvonly one lexicon and sintax floats around your head? Imagine if you had five, could you function?)
@145 Argentina performed the only military operation known on Antarctica. Hmm, how KFC-peaceful you are with your KFC-peaceful economic embargos and KFC-peaceful breaking antarctic treaties.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143 Unratified = Unsettled = You're wrong. FACT.
Surely you're used to being wrong, considering you are most of the time.
145
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i did not mention the peacefull brits,
but we think that , besides south american nations, [some of]
we think, russia , china , a lot of european countries, poss india japan , australia , NZ and canada . the list goes on,
we dont think the world has seen nothing yet,
it only takes one to jump, and the rest will follow .
LOL! Now you are taking to heart the lie of Mercopress to heart. The ''military” operation. How come NEVER BEFORE was such an operation mentioned as such? How come no one has denounced Argentina for it, even the UK or USA or Russia?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple: it wasn't military. It was military men who did a run to the pole.
Don't get too excited children.
The border is settled. On the other hand, the rest of the nations of this hemisphere should grow up a bit. And the UK should also grow up, those internal clefts are somewhat backwards for such a country aren't day? I could not imagine any province of Argentina trying to break away... in fact we are the only nation of large size without any breakaway movements, now that I think of it.
Settled land borders, and now separatism. How many nations can say that? I'm starting to feel advanced.
How many nations can say that?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that tiny country between france and spain,
Andora lol.
but they have no land disputes or separatism.
@148
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LACK OF FACT: “Simple: it wasn't military. It was military men who did a run to the pole.”
FACT: “You're the only person not calling it a military operation. It's well regarded as being a military operation by objective sources.”
LACK OF FACT: “Settled land borders”
FACT: they're still not ratified and you still think you're colonising Argentina.
OUTCOME: More arg-lies (curious he cannot see that, but hey, he's an Argie)
Tobias
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not patronise me nor assume that Argentina's failure is mirrored here. Our two societies are unequally matched in our understanding of eachother. On the one hand is Argentina, a divided, introspective, self destructive nation that obsesses over the one thing it can't have rather than the many things it could have. On the other hand is the Falkland Islands, a community that dragged itself out of the shock and horror of war and looked forward and outward at the many opportunities that presented themselves. The gulf is wide between us, Tobias, but not on our side of the fence.
you can't steal lands and then ask the people you stole to listen what you want. you're really insane
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0l thought that you were intelligent.
l admit it, l was wrong.
You are a showoff & a fool.
You also have a massive chip on your shoulder.
You seem as resentful as malen.
Btw-didn't Argentina test some tanks in Antarctica?
lsn't that militerizing the continent?
@132 andean4000.
l've thought about it.
Don't like it.
No.
BUT, how about Argentina GIVES us Sta Cruz & Chubut Provinces.
Think about THAT for a second.
@152 Cero, are you from Fatty-fatty-tub-tub's Hitler Youth movement 'Le Camping'?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@135 Greekyogurt
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@153 Isolde
I'm not Argentinian, I'm just an observer from the “neighborhood.”
Did you know that the actual French Guyana was about double in size? and that Brazil was claiming all that land, and France ceded it to Brazil? Do you see French Guyana having diplomatic problems with the rest of South America?
Do you think that if Brazil were to still claim that territory, her neighbors would not support her?
You have to consider that the Kelpers are not just dealing with Argentina here, diplomatically, basically all of South America is behind Argentina.
yes, Argentina basically has no army, so is basically a joke, but if she and her neighbors start that support her start arming themselves, then it won't be a joke anymore.
All the maps in Latin America says MALVINAS, that is not “ fairy tale”, that is a reality that Kelpers have to deal with.
Gran Malvina/West Falkland is a very small trade off for the Kelpers in exchange for peace in South America.
Argentina now is being very unfair, because they don't leave any room for Kelpers to have ANY sovereingty choice; if they claiming 100%.
In my opinion, a 33% territorial acquisition by Argentina and the Kelpers keep everything else including S.Georgia and S.Sandwiches, is a fair deal. In addition, Kelpers are to be given unlimited land buying privileges in Argentina plus 30-35% discount in taxes and other perks. Plus full recognition as a legitimate community of South America, just like French Guyana.
-peace.
@155 You sound like an Argentinian. Which part of Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with that horrible horrible human rights hell hole, are you failing to understand?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does this sound? Argentina gets nothing. Argentina never owned anything, it's not bringing anything to the table and it's not getting anything. We fought a war over this and they lost. End of Story.
For someone who is pretending to not be Argentinian, you do a pretty sh!t job. Try harder next time.
155 andean 4000
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not Argentinian, I'm just an observer from the “neighborhood.”
Perhaps you are, and then again, perhaps you are an Argie.
Whatever. You are as deluded as the Argie Mafia who are in charge of the country.
“You have to consider that the Kelpers are not just dealing with Argentina here, diplomatically, basically all of South America is behind Argentina.
yes, Argentina basically has no army, so is basically a joke, but if she and her neighbors start that support her start arming themselves, then it won't be a joke anymore.” GEE, I am quaking in my boots.
AND, what is more, you are wrong. I live in Uruguay and NO-ONE I have spoken to supports Pepe on this. They KNOW Argentina is a bully and always has been a bully toward them. His support has fallen 20% to 42% over him licking the Mad Bitches arse.
If ALL the countries you alledge joined forces and tried an armed attack ONE Type 45 (and we have four at the moment) would wipe the entire fast jet flight out of the air. AND that is before we really started to deal with the problem.
Just get a life and grow up.
Please lsolde and honoria, I'm just coming down to all your level here. I'm very intelligent it just avoids your grasp, because you are a biased individual.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of you here strike me as particularly independent thinkers, you are sequations, prejudicial people. Yolks, but at least the Falklanders have an excuse, they are a small community, provincialism is to be expected.
What is the excuse of the British posters here? They live in a very cosmopolitan place, in a very interconnected continent.
They have no excuse. Actually, the reason they are parrochial and Philistine is partly personality, and the remainder a racist hatred for Argentina. Which is why anything said here at Mercopress is not taken seriously by anyone, even the sensible Brits. They know the people attracted to this website are BNP types, Chavs gone Tory, yolks living in some dying town, or outright unstable types just looking for good trolling.
None of what is said here about Argentina, is to be taken as having even a scintilla of objectivity (including many of the “articles” at times, opinion pieces).
@158 You're just projecting your racism and lack of objectivity onto other people because it makes you feel less guilty. It's understandable really.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did not deny my statements. :)
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no objectivity about Argentina. End of story.
@160 I'm not a ICJ judge. My objectivity is going to be bounded based upon my own experience. I'm not even going to lower myself to refute your statements.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you refuted my statements you would be elevating your game, you are just not capable. You're just a troll, after all.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no experience with Argentines. You never been to the country. Facts, end of story. ;)
Everyone is entitled to there opinion, providing they do not abuse or insult others personally,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all have opinions, some can be proved, but some cant,
But rightly or wrongly, the islanders have been on the islands for nearly 200 years, in this time even some European states were still fighting for independence, in fact an awful lot of nations today, did not even exist then, so to be fair, if the Falklands really had to leave, then billions of people would be homeless today, including most of south America,,
So we should all except that the islanders will always be their, they may not always be British, but until they freely choose something else, they will remain British, and will be protected by the British,
Argentina should accept this point, for freedom and democracy,
Argentina is massively bigger than the islands, more people, she has her own resources and abilities, in fact Argentina has no reason what so ever to have any interest in the Falklands, it would be better for all if CFK just gave up the ghost and left them alone to live in peace, , and then we can move on,
The ball, is firmly in argentines court.
thats my opinion .
You wrote a beautiful, civilized reply. That is what I expect from the British.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@152 you're making assumptions to fill in the uncertainty now. You do this quite a bit I see.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0165
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0certainly, people speaking English in my land do not leave much room for assumption
@158tobias,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“coming down to your level”-says it all, really.
At least we know how you think.
No one l know has a racist view of Argentina-we just hate malvinistas.
And l mean hate!
But it is Argentina which is causing ALL the trouble here.
Lies to the UN,
Blockades,
Continually calling us squatters,thieves,pirats,implanted etc
Raking up the dark side of the old British Empire(ALL Empires had their dark side)
Harrassing fishing fleets,
Disrespect for our flag
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
That we will thank you for it?
Of course we hate you.
lt will take many, many years before we forget this.
@167 I don't hate anyone, I just feel sorry for them because of their mental situation, alignment to crypto-Nazism and their addiction to mafia-fun.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and they speak spanish, which everyone knows means they're poor.
@158 tobias
Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm just coming down to all your level here. I'm very intelligent it just avoids your grasp, because you are a biased individual”
People who say they are ‘very intelligent’ never are, because a truly intelligent wouldn’t make such a statement, only the conceited would, confirmed by your ‘down to your level’ assertion.
“What is the excuse of the British posters here? They live in a very cosmopolitan place, in a very interconnected continent “
More proof you are not very intelligent, but proof you are very small minded, as you can’t imagine that others would take an interest in how the Argentinians with their bullyboy mentality, love to try to intimidate the islanders, that you considerably outnumber .
“They know the people attracted to this website are BNP types, Chavs gone Tory, yolks living in some dying town, or outright unstable types just looking for good trolling”
No, still you are not showing any signs of intelligence, but definitely showing bigotry, I doubt whether the types you list would be interested in this subject, but grouping those that are interested, in with such types, is typical Argentinian cunning, trying to dissuaded those from the UK, knowing how brainwashed and bigoted you are.
“None of what is said here about Argentina, is to be taken as having even a scintilla of objectivity”
Of course it won’t, you are too brainwashed, objective arguments are seen by the Brainwashed as not objective, so you can just dismissed them.
@157
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is this delusional? when there is historical precedent.
Brazil was not claiming the entire French Guyana, just a portion in Guyana's south.
The French were not greedy and ceded the portion to Brazil.
You have to understand that South America has historical animosities with European powers. The only “ bully” is Europe.
It doesn't matter you say that Argentina never “ owned” anything, that is not the view of big players in the region, like Brazil.
by Argentina dropping the claim to just Gran Malvina/West Falkland, it would be seen as a sign of good faith, in not wanting to dominate the Kelpers.
The Kelpers not accepting that deal, They'll be seen as greedy colonists, that is the view in all the Americas, that the Kelpers are greedy colonists.
All South America blocks the islands as economies increase, such as Brazil,, next, they'll ask South Africa to block you too.
STOP being greedy, follow the French Guyana example, as peace will prevail.
170 andean 4000
Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In case you had not noticed, France, which you laud is one of the two bullies of Europe (it is in the EU).
The Falklands (there are no Malvinas) does not have to do anything. The Islanders have the right to decide what to do ON the islands and WITH the islands, NOT some Mad Bitch who is just bullshitting her own people (apparently you included).
There is already peace on the islands, it is only the Argentinos who are trying to stir things up. 'STOP being greedy, follow the British example, as(sic) peace will prevail'
GOT IT NOW?
@170 andean 4000
Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“by Argentina dropping the claim to just Gran Malvina/West Falkland, it would be seen as a sign of good faith, in not wanting to dominate the Kelpers”
That door has well and truly closed, it could have been a possibility once, but that was before over 250 British were killed retaking the Falklands and Islanders had been traumatised by invasion.
Typical of an Argentinian trying to appear reasonable when you are anything but.
“as peace will prevail”
No it wouldn’t you always want more and more, it’s in your DNA.
@172 this dude comes on every night and tells the kelpers to stop being greedy. Surely he knows he's being greedy by assuming that Argentina should have anything at all.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Andean is clearly Argentinian and hispanic, because that's how they bargain. They come to the table with nothing, shout their demands really loud and expect to walk away with nothing. It's pretty pathetic.
What he should be saying is 'Argentina chose to negotiate militarily in 1982 and they lost the negotiation. Now Argentina doesn't have a pot to p1ss in.'. End of story.
@173 GreekYoghurt
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They come to the table with nothing, shout their demands really loud and 'expect' to walk away with nothing”
It's difficult to fathom why do they do it, unless it's just to annoy us.
@andean4000,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me think about it.................NO, don't like it.
Try again señor.
What about you give us Sta Cruz & Chubut provinces instead?
After all, the British were there before Argentina.
You Argentines are squatters there.
157 Chris - Remember when Mujica came on Uruguayan TV with broken spectacles? According to El País, he broke them when he thumped the table in frustration (spectacles in hand) while trying to negotiate with CFK. Perhaps the old sod isn't as grovelling as he pretends.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@174 “They come to the table with nothing, shout their demands really loud and 'expect' to walk away with SOMETHING”
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I clearly wrote it incorrectly. It makes more sense now.
@169
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not bigoted or brainwashed, you just took my bait full to the throat. I'm just trying to show how your side is coming off to my side (which is not the malvinista side as its called here). I want the Falklands to remain as they are.
There's been several new contributors (from both sides), who have commented on how extremist, bigoted, and ridiculous the quality of opinion has become here. There is no objective opinion anymore. Any new article is met by trolling comments by the usual suspects who seem to have all day to... hmm... as we say “hacer patria”. There is no translation for that idiom in English.
@178 (Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRMBxnxWiNQ)
Mar 12th, 2012 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@178 tobias
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you just took my bait full to the throat”
Oh! nicely sidestepped, but it was really like you sticking your head up from the parapet and getting a bullet in the head, and then wincing ‘you took my bait full to the throat’ wasn't it.
“I want the Falklands to remain as they are”
You mean, British, with no ties to Argentina at all?
“hacer patria”. There is no translation for that idiom in English
Then don’t use it, because we will take it as disparaging.
“I'm just trying to show how your side is coming off to my side”
We don’t care what your side thinks, Argentina can’t be trusted.
@177 GreekYoghurt
I wasn't trying to be funny, but they are so weird, yes that makes more sense
My wife and I visited the Falklands when we were on a cruise, ands we totally understand the plight -- for that is what it is -- of the Falkland Islanders. All they want to do is live in peace and they MUST be allowed to do so. However,the Argentineans are now sniffing money after the il explorations were so successful. Coupled with the visit of Prince William is his capacity as an officer has severely ruffled the Argentinean machismo. BUT they must NOT be allowed to lay one finger on the Falklands as that amounts to dictatorship and an utter failure to respect the will of the Falklanders. I defend your interests daily in my EMail newsletter that is read on 4 continents. Long live the Falklands in prosperity and above all PEACE without any aggression!
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0176 ynsere
Mar 12th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must understand that as a new resident here (just got my first Cedula) I must not speak out of turn in my lovely adopted country.
I was very impressed with Pepe when he first came into the Presidency, even though as a retired businessman I was a little aprehensive given his history. His actions with the economy in general were very good and he managed to get a good team around him: then he seemed to run into a brick wall with Argentina. That is understandable given the Mad Bitch.
Brit posters like Conqueror who said giving into bullies is never right, do so from the comfort and security of living in the UK with 65M people and a very good military. We are 4.5M against 45M bullies. It is all very different when viewed from that perspective.
However, I have to say that Uruguayos (and I am trying hard to be one) can only judge what they are allowed to see. The broken spectacles thing may have been a front, I don't know. Given Pepe drives a beat up old Beetle he may not have a spare pair of lentes, who knows?
What is undeniable though is his fall in the approval ratings from his own people and it is clearly because of Argentina.
I have said before that getting exports from other countries of the world, even by breaking Mercosur 'agreements' is crucial and I hope and trust that the goverment are trying their best to do this.
Pepe is not even half-way through his Presidency and can (and I hope) pull everything around providing his health improves a little to assist him in dealing with the wananbee gangsters over the Plate.
“170 andean 4000” needs to grow up. The Falkland Islanders don't need to negotiate with anyone. To have so many generations born, living and dying on the Islands to my mind seals the case. The truth of the history confirms the legitimacy.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentine goose had its neck well and truly wrung, was cooked and hung out to dry in 1982. The whole civilised world is amazed and confounded at the affrontery of the RG government. That these people persist with this nonsensical “claim” has it's roots in ignorance, thick skin and greed.
@182 ChrisR
Mar 12th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting post and confirming what I have thought to be the case about Uruguay.
“do so from the comfort and security of living in the UK with 65M people and a very good military. We are 4.5M against 45M bullies. It is all very different when viewed from that perspective”
Also what I suspected, as living next door to thug, tempers one’s actions, it’s pity Britain and Uruguay haven’t got a mutual protection agreement.
“What is undeniable though is his fall in the approval ratings from his own people and it is clearly because of Argentina”
Are you saying that, him kowtowing to Argentina has lost him popularity?
@183 Captain Fantastic
“nonsensical “claim” has it's roots in ignorance, thick skin and greed”
Aptly put
184 Redcoat
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Are you saying that, him kowtowing to Argentina has lost him popularity? ”
It certainly appears to be the case with my Uruguayo friends and they are not convinced by me saying that he(we) are in a difficult position. When I ask them is an armed conflict a possibility they have ALL said no.
You never know, the Mad Bitch may well suddenly change he mind about many things, Uruguay included. She is bi-polar after all.
Just to underline that bi-polar disorder used to be termed manic-depressive. Manic does NOT refer to mania or maniac but to extreme euphoria followed by the pits of depression. Sums CFK up niceley does it not?
@185 ChrisR
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sums CFK up nicely does it not”
I'll take your word for it, as with everything going haywire in the Northern Hemisphere I didn't know of her existence and only noticed when she threatened to stop the LAN flights. I thought, as with so many that do, she turned to nationalism when things are going wrong at home.
Chris you seem to have a lot of influence and political contacts at the top top of Uruguays country administration,you must be a very important person, please continue telling your chismes of the situation.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0183 Captain Fantastic
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very nicely put, something else to think about though:-
Did you know that the fattest man in the world was sssssoooo fat, that his wife put him on a diet?
Blows your mind........
185 – Chris R – Actually I have the impression that Mujica’s relative loss of approval (nevertheless still near the 70% mark) stems more from his administration’s failures in the areas of education, security and public health than foreign affairs.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s true most Uruguayan will tell you that the possibilities of war with Argentina are nil. Nevertheless two or three years ago, Mujica’s predecessor, President Vázquez, saw fit to ask the Americans for military help in the event of an armed attack in connection with the long-running blockade of the international bridge at Fray Bentos, run by bogus environmentalists in the pay of Buenos Aires. The Uruguayan armed forces’ senior officer also stated that Uruguay had plans for guerilla warfare defence, partially modeled on Britain’s plans in the event of a German invasion during WW2.
It is interesting that at present Argentine members of the bi-national committee administrating the River Uruguay will not allow figures for pollution to be published – apparently it mostly originates on the Argentine side. These “secret” figures were provided by a Canadian lab.
Many bloggers here make light of the present capabilities of Argentina’s armed forces. However, at the time of the tensions over the “environmental” bridge-blockade, they very ostentatiously ran manoeuvres for crossing a river. The Uruguay River separating the two countries in the Fray Bentos region is a few hundred yards wide; Falklanders are fortunate in that in their case the distance is several hundred miles.
Going a little further back, in the early 1950s Uruguayan air force pilots ferried a number of fighters and bombers from the United States to Montevideo. This was considered necessary as a deterrent, due to Perón’s increasing bellicosity. Thank goodness, the Argentines backed off and the Uruguayans did not attack Buenos Aires. (However Argentina’s own air force did a few years later).
Argentina, the rogue state of South America.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leave the smaller neighbours alone, Argentina.
Why don't you have a go at Brazil!
189 ynsere
Mar 14th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that, though I was aware of the Vazquez attitude. Unsurprisingly, Argentina only recently denied that it was ever considered. Do we believe them? Ha, Ha, Ha, etc.
There would be very little time to deal with Argies coming over in fast attack boats (semi-rigids) if they have any.
Only if we were aware of an imminent attack could any action by Uruguay's Military have any real chance AND we know the Argies will ONLY carry out a sneak attack, it's their way after all.
I note that the 'pollution' the Argies claimed about the mill (which prompted the blockade) NEVER came. Why are we not amazed?
To be frank I just cannot see the way forward with Argentina unless the Mad Bitch is removed or killeed along with the rest of her brood.
191 Chris - Unfortunately, CGK is a product of her day and age. Indoctrinated about the Falklands at an early age, like all Argentines, her subsequent unsavoury activism was in favour of political murder, extortion, kidnapping and bank robbery. Like so many leftist leaders (and unlike Uruguayan president Mujica), she went on to become a multi-millionaire. Perhaps some will agree with me that the only decent Argentine leader in living memory was President Alfonsín, who was unfortunately unable to withstand internal financial pressure. Unfortunately Uruguay will have to continue its longtime policy of just trying to “get along” with our wonderful neighbours, with periodic spikes in levels of tension.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0192 ynsere
Mar 14th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe may be left wing but, as you say, hei si most certianly NOT a crook. It is a great pity that this is not the case with some government employees, some Policia and especially some Intendencias included.
I think you are spot on about the having to 'get along' with our neighbours the other side of the Plate. :o)
193 Chris - I'm afraid corruption is a ubiquitous animal. Just think of the British MPs who fiddled their expenses. Of course, Argentine levels of corruption are not to be found everywhere, and it is mind-boggling to read that matters are even worse in Mexico, Zimbabwe, India and other countries.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's another nugget of Argentine fair play: the “high tide mark” doctrine. Argentina claimed that their jurisdictional waters ran to the high tide mark on the Uruguayan side of the River Plate. Thus people on Montevideo’s Pocitos beach, for instance, were in Argentine territory if they went into the water for a swim, or even a paddle on the edge. This position was not formally relinquished until 1972, I believe. Uruguay had to give away a small island within its territorial waters to secure the deal.
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