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Argentina blasts EU and describes Trade spokesperson statements as “false”
Argentina categorically rejected ‘false’ statements from the EU Trade spokesperson relative to a clarification request to Argentina, allegedly not replied, involving relations of the UK with Buenos Aires and also questioned the EU ‘silence’ on the Malvinas sovereignty question. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTimerman, if things are so great here in Argentina, why are you calling katherine Ashton? Is she not British? Do you people really believe the British government will give the islands to our country? ñ_ñ
Mar 08th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0it is right to dicuss about billaterals trading, but the Uk needs to take over about Malvinas issue too, on top oh these UN resolution needs to take seriously to get a pacefull resolution.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why Uk is a member of the UN if doesen t care about it?
I think countries that doesn t care about Un resolutions has to be penalize.
Again, the only one here that doesen t care about UN is UK.
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Mar 08th, 2012 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old Timerman - no one ever wants to talk to him :*(. Even when he opens a birthday card from his mother it says: “I wish I'd used protection”.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 04 pepegalleta:
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British government have made it quiet clear, obviously not clear enough in Spanish but in English they have made it very clear that the sovereignty of the islands is NOT negotiable when the islanders have made it clear they wish to remain British, They are willing to speak to Argentina about any other issue´s except the sovereignty, what language do they need to speak to make it perfectly clear to the CFK government. We know she demands a lot of things especially from her neighbouring countries but the British do NOT except bullying from anyone....
IF YOU WANT TO RESOLVE ANY NONESENSE CLAIM TAKE IT TO THE ICJ... I bet you the CFK will decline
The EU is a trade organisation which, unlike Mercosur, knows when to stick to trade and avoid politics
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know, politicians, what we can expect ?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Why Uk is a member of the UN if doesen t care about it?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think countries that doesn t care about Un resolutions has to be penalize.
Be careful what you wish for - Argentina has on many occasions not taken a blind bit of notice of the UN - even now, trying to stop the innocent passage of vessels is going against UNCLOS. Until argentina respects our right to determine our own future (another UN enshrined right which argentina ignores) then you are always going to be unhappy. It will be US the people of the Falkland Islands who decides what we do, who we have aliegences with, not any other country.
(7) Mr Lorton
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“ The EU is a trade organisation which, unlike Mercosur, knows when to stick to trade and avoid politics”
I say:
Oh Rly?
@ 8 pepegalleta
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you mean Argentine politicians who are at the pinnacle of corruptness and ignoring international agreements !
This is funny, wasn't Argentina just last week welcoming the EU's activation over the economic blockade Argentina is trying to enforce on the islands?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most amusing of all is they sent the ultra-discredited Timmerman to deal with it who after his ridiculous and embarrassing performance you'd expect to now be looking for a new job.
And then to top it all he calls a British EU official......
This story just gets funnier and funnier as the days pass.
The Argies are at it again. They're calling upon people do do things when they cannot even abide by UNSCR 502. They're a member of MERCOSUR and then they put up trade blockades.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their attempts to intermingle their desire for expansionism with trade talks is just going to end in their humiliation again. The EU will simply just tell them to get focked, because let's face it.. the EU is bounded by the Lisbon Treaty.
Yoda: “Mr Argentina, please meet Mr Humiliation, again”
Lol typical Argentine attempt at crying they are the victim - Talk about a load a bullshit. Why try to talk to Catherine Ashton, when the proper channel would be to respond via the EU representative in argentina, which Catherine Ashton is not. Also the EU has not been silent on the falklands issue, they made it quite clear what their stance was only a few weeks ago. Trust agrentina to use this to make futher statements about how they are the victims of the UK when they are not victims at all, kind of slaps in the face of this weeks argentine attempts to look as though they are being nice to the islands, which we all know is a load of hogwash.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for UN resolutions, well the last one was in 1988, we complied with that, and it led to the agreements on fisheries and joint exploration and explotation of resources in the 90's something argentina only this week falsely claimed the islands were in breach of, sorry but Argentina under Nester tore up the agreements e.g. unlawfully repudiated the agreements. So in fact we did compily with UN resolution that this Twit referred to, but it was argentina that withdraw from such negotiations not the UK. Because argentina withdraw, the UN resolution they keep referring is no longer enforce as it was complied with by the UK.
Funny how when oil is found they suddenly regret pulling out of such agreements and are now trying to distort facts and completely erase their pulling out of the agreement from history by saying the it is the UK and the falklands that is not complying with said agreements. Lol
Timmerman is just a troll. He phones up people whose role is 'trade' and then tells them about their greedy demands for other people's territory and wonders why they're a bit confused.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do the argentinians really think that they can forget UNSCR 502 and then start botting on and on and on about non-binding resolutions at the UN? They're the kings and queens of diplomatic delinquency.
I say, get the EU to put trade barriers up, and then just ignore them for being toads.
This is very simple and I don't think that the RG government understands the difference. Any sanction on trade against an EU member will be an issue for the EU. It is a trading block and, as such, must support all its members. Making trading demands as a result of a bilateral dispute is not going to change the fact that the EU (when it comes to trade) will protect its own. The RG government should recognise that the EU is one of the largest and most important trading blocks in the world.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0With regards to disputes over sovereignty, the EU will not opine on these matters as they are out of the remit of the EU.
I know wikipedia is written by 12 year olds and social recluses, but if you look at this source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29)
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can see the EU (a trade body) has a nominal GDP of US$17,720,000 mil which is between 1/3 and 1/4 of the world total of US$63,170,000 mil. Now, considering all the members signed up to this trade organisation respecting the territorial rights of it's members.
Doesn't really make any sense for any third-world country (US$435,200 mil)to be messing this any kind of relationship, especially when it's a trade body and has no remit over sovereignty issues, even between Spain and UK.
Amateurs.
There is a Mercosur-group supra-governmental organisation called Parlasur which is ostensibly 'the equivalent' to the European Parliament, a congress of the EU. These would be the appropriate political bodies if Sr. Timerman were serious.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sr. Timerman does know this, but his tactic is to muddy the *Trading* environment because the political and legal environments leave him no room to further his cause on behalf of Argentina and the ruling Peronistas.
As we speak, EU countries are - as a bloc and individually - sourcing new supplying countries for the products currently traded from Argentina; not because they want to destroy the trading relationship, but through pragmatic best-management. Materials and products will continue to flow in, but Argentina will suffer the increasing problems of being serially de-rated as a reliable trade/financial partner on the world markets. This can only accelerate the ultimate decline to national spasmic financial collapse.
My hope is that Brasil can remane immune to the collapse of its southern trade-'partner'.
@18 Fiddling while Rome burns?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0this subject(Malvinas conflict) is out of EU interests and principles..
Mar 08th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0this shows us how the British global intelligence struggles in inability..
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from where ...to where
the British History:
1700 -- 1785 ... golden age
1785 -- 1820 ... going down
1820 -- 1900 ... recession
1900 -- 1940 ... light healing
1940 -- .......... going down...
@20. With this summary you'd have thought Argentina would have gotten the better of us by now. I wonder if it might be a tad factually incorrect and Argentina are just reading the signs all wrong? Again.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 I think they're just phoning up anyone they can think of and having a rant. It seems the previous strategy hasn't changed much.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome back, geo. l've missed you.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 pepegalleta,
You say that the UK is a member of the UN, but doesn't care about their Resolutions.
The resolutions, pepe, are invitations, suggestions & non-binding.
The UK is within its rights to decline.
What about a BINDING Resolution, that you cannot decline?
UN Resolution #502. lt called for Argentina to withdraw from the Falkland lslands in april 1982.
Argentina didn't comply. Argentina refused.
You have NO case.
Now you have a blockade against the Falklands.
Your country ignores the UN.
@20 geo (#) Shows what you know about history......
Mar 08th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 01820-1990 ? Recession ? You kidding me, we were extremly succesful
So Timmidman is going to try and browbeat the EU into making a decision on the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).
Mar 08th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck. Anybody remember when the EU made a decision without being railroaded into it by the Franco-German Dynamic Duo?.
That's a real joke as he is.
** 24 Thor
Mar 08th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 01820 -- 1990 ... stability
BUT
1820 -- 1990 ... relative recession against main rivals USA/Germany...
y dale con Pernia.... kelpers have retrogade brain that believe this situation is peronista. Kakakakaka, so be careful! Now it is South America Block against UK, peronista? kakakakakaka
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/internacional,lula-critica-onu-por-postura-sobre-soberania-das-malvinas,515002,0.htm
Come on Kelpers, go to Wales!
@ 27 che, peronista inmundo, pedile a Cristina que deje de matar gente con los trenes. ¿Podés hacer eso?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boudou miente, él mismo lo ha confesado. Hermoso ejemplo a seguir el del estafador Boudou. Excelente elección peronistas, eligieron lo peor de Argentina :) Vos te vas a tener que meter la V peronista en el culo, peronista :) Falta poco para ver la caída de el régimen kirchnerista, pero el tiempo que queda va a ser muy divertido, ver como se despedazan entre ustedes. Te vas a quedar sin Malvinas y sin Cristina, y por lo que se ve, sin Argentina también :) kakakakakaka so be careful.
Who is Lula? An ex-president? Are you still living in England, kipling? Enjoying your time in London? Great city, don't ya think? Anti-British fag?
Don't tell me you will report my comment, Kipling :)
28 Xbarilox
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am with you about the peronistas, but we can insult a single guy for a country mistake, more than 50% of argentinians no brain la votaron. I am in USA since 1995 all becouse Carlos M, do you remember that M,, F too.
Plus the peronistas are bringing people from all latin america, making those people citizens just to get the voto.
But there is nobody to get the country control.
We need a new blood of politicians, hope Maza the guy from Tigre may be he can be a good future president, honest guy and sane.
Macri can be another one, but he doesn t have a strong party.
I hope one day Argentina will have real politicians with good heart and strong convictions.
Salute
@ 29 In English, please.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salut, Anti-British fag.
20 -
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 01940 - Fighting World War
Argentina's reads :
1945 - Welcoming SS Nazi's with the blood of millions of Jews still on their hands!!
30 what fid you mean ?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anti british fag?
or antibritish flag?
be careful
xbarilox, calm, calm,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 “be careful”
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like a threat to me. You planning to make somebody 'disappear'?
I thought those days were over in Argentina.
@26 geo
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Relative recession ? You cant say that something that was not growing as well as something else, was pretty much not growing at all. It was only around WW1 that we were down, but it was still 4th. You cant be the best forever, we just happened to be the best for quite a while.Between the 1810s and the 1870s, britian was known as the workshop of the world producing better quality, and cheaper goods . They supplied half the needs in manufactured goods to germany , the US and france.
It was the start of the 20th century that saw the major rise of the likes of the US and germany, and only the 1940's that saw the UK loose its place as a superpower, one that had dominated for years......
We still have the best financial centre though ;)
I put Be careful becouse of what 30 put in his ad
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sic Salut, Anti-British fag.
did I made my self clear now?
@26 In the first place, neither the USA nor Germany were Britain's main rivals between 1820 and 1910.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More importantly, you should compare the UK's economic situation to that of argieland. That can be described as: 1820-2011 Not stability. Not recession. Boom. The UK is SO far out of your league.
@27 How are you getting on with your cakes?
@29 Seeing as you live (legally or illegally?) in the United States, do tell us the rights of a householder against someone illegally entering their land. Do you understand the difference between a UN General Assembly resolution and a UN Security Council resolution? Actually, how much do you really understand?
@ 33 What happened, Anti-British fag? Falklands are British, and that makes me really happy. Calm down and smile, you fag, and the world will smile with you :P
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 xbarilox just a question, but are you not Argentinian ?:)
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 I just was correcting you , fag is not a really good way to talk in US, may be you made a mistake I hope,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you mean fag ir flag
I ma not talking about the islands I am talking about your words
@ 39 yes sir, I am. So?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 xbarilox (#) Its just unusual, certainly on this site, to find someone who comes from Argentina, who believes the Falklands are British. If there were more like you, Argentina would be enjoying joint fishing, and hydrocarbon rights.........I admire someone that can speak out against such a common, and popular idea in their country.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina trying to take on the European Union now?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Banana-Republic vs. the civilised world....... ummmmm.... bye bye Argentina!
England is the less civilised in Europe everyone know that lol
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the biggest drunk pissheads of Europe.
@44. Yes we like a drink, but I think you will find that the Irish are fairly well known for their drinking. Anyway, what has drink got to do with it....?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 42 There are more people, but if you say this in public, they will literally try to destroy you. That's why many people don't say what they really think. This government is so corrupt, you can't even imagine, and the worst part of the story is that they don't care. Most of these lunatics called Malvinists have never been to England, and when they tell me how horrible is England I can only put a smile on my face :) Poor people, they're anti-British, just because here in Argentina it sounds cool and apparently to be considered Argentine and a patriot one must hate England. This is what people like pepegalleta believe.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 At least the English can afford a good drink! and i think you'l find that it is us Scottish who are proudly the biggest drunks in Europe! so get your facts right!!!
Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is getting desperate,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and desperate people make mistakes,
poor argies, going nowhere, again
@46 xbarilox (#) Well, i know that i take my country a bit for granted, the fact that we are less corrupt than others (but not entirely devoid). You can only hope that in the near by future, an elected government, that is not so aggressive about the islands, can repair the diplomatic bridges and take a more friendlier approach. Thats the true method to gaining influence on the islands. Hell if the invasion hadnt happened, i would be surprised if both countries were working together in the islands......lLets hope, e see the end of kircher.....
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I truly feel quite sorry for the average RG for having to suffer so poor governance. The make these hairbrained decisions about trade which affect the lives of their citizens then accuse everyone else of lying.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If only we had tought then how to play cricket they might have found it easier not to lie, cheat and annoy everyone.
@50 I believe we have, old chap: http://www.cricketargentina.com/
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old Tinman, he has got to make it at least look like there is something he can do to further the cause.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More intended for internal consumption than external. Keeps the likes of Malvinero1 happy.
@ 52. Nah. All Malvinero1 needs is a link to a good porn site and a box of tissues, it'd keep him happy for, oh, minutes.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 44 + ** 45
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REPEATED DRUNKNESS -- 13 -15 years old
Britain ... girls : 33 % .....boys : 32 %
Denmark .... girls : 29 % .....boys : 34 %
OECD average ..... girls : 18 % ..... boys : 20 %
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CHILDREN REPORTING HAVING HAD SEX ( 15 years )
boys--girls average
Britain ... 25 %
Greece .... 46 %
Denmark .... 38 %
Iceland / Luxembourg.... 30 %
France ... 31 %
Germany ....18 %
Spain/Finland ... 20 %
Portugal/Italy .... 25 %
OECD average .... 20 %
@geo54 your really scrapping the barrel for arguments now! What are you trying to say, that the Falklands should be handed over to Argentina because in Britain we like a drink! I'l have a bottle of whatever your on!
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l read somewhere that the Czechs consume the most alcohol per head in Europe.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln my experiences l've found its the Finns.
l have to admit, l like a drink or three, myself!
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You've got to lose it sometime, geo.
** 56 Isol
Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Repeated Drunkenness 13-15 years olds
Finland ....girls : 27 % ...... boys : 29 %
Czech Republic .... girls : 20 %.....boys : 25 %
@57 that's not answering what they said. Your (questionable) stats are for 13 to 15 year olds, not for all people from 13 to 100. Do you understand statistics?
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 36 pepegalleta.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I put Be careful becouse of what 30 put in his ad
Sic Salut, Anti-British fag.
did I made my self clear now?”
Yes I think I understand. My mistake please accept my apologies.
46 no problem , it was a misunderstandig,
Mar 08th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take care my friend
44 Tigre2000
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ever been to Germany? Or Russia? Or Denmark? Or Iceland? Or Romania?
So how about Argentina? Where its drugs.
@geo - Before you try knocking britain over its teenagers that admitted having sex in a poll, i suggest you remember the fact that in argentina the age of consent is thirteen - Now that just opens the door to child perverts that can het away with it by claiming the child consented and is 13 or over.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take a look at your own country first before trying to knock ours - idiot.
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Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@62 Joke time:
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Q: How do you tell the difference between Gary Glitter and an Argentinian man?
A: The Argentinian's suit is more shiny.
@64 - Lol thats if they can afford a suit
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63 - I find your borderline suggestive comment extremely insulting, your attempt to imply i have an unhealthly knowledge on the subject of age of consent is disgusting. And for the record, i googled it just prior to posting my response. Your comment however has been reported to the editor, as such a suggestive comment is is completely out of order and very insulting.
Now am not suggesting your intent was to make such a suggestive and implying comment or not, as am not aware of your level of english language. Therefore i may be accidentally suggestive and implying as a result of translation, but either way i have reported it.
@ 63 what happened to your comment? hahaha
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 Xbsrilox ate you happy becouse of that?, ate you a child?, please grow up, if the sensure makes you happy, I feel sorry for you poor kid
Mar 09th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lies, Lies, Lies...someone is telling lies. I wonder who?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Timerman - he's been told to go and square it up with the EU and deny everything. Who'd really want to do business with the RGs?
68 Brit Bob
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you talking about liars?, what about Uk government? what about margaret thacher when she order to sink the Belgrano and after that she lies to everybody.
come on, lies are the common thing for politicians all over tbe world, Bush destrued Irak telling the world lies.
grow up
69 Maybe she didnt want RG's to know the extent of our intel over the intent of the Belgrano (see below)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Admiral Enrique Molina Pico, head of the Argentine Navy in the 1990s, wrote in a letter to La Nación, published in the 2 May 2005 edition,[26] that the Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission. This is the official position of the Argentine Navy.[27]
Didnt the Captain of the Belgrano say something similar, check it out..
69 pepegalleta
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I should take your own advice and grow up.
The Belgrano was a genuine target when it was out of port, ANYWHERE.
And it's Maraget THATCHER, you dummy.
@ 69 pepegalleta
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what about Tinman taking on the trade might of the EU, you do know that whatever he might say, the EU will not discuss Argentina's alleged sovereignty claims in the S Atlantic.
Only verifiable guarantees of Argentina’s future compliance with all trade agreements, or reciprocal action.
Already messaging my MP to demand end of EU/Mercosur trade negotiations. No more argie goods. Cut them off. For Brits, contact your MP. Demand end of negotiations with South America. Bilateral agreements could be considered, except for argieland.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are they always whinging about one little boat? We could have sunk all their boats and they still wouldn't have had anything to whinge about because 'THEY STARTED THE WAR'.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, extreme faggotry is pretty much defined by argentina starting a war and then crying when someone sinks their boat.
69
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you require others to stop lying,
Then you must set an example and stop lying your self,
Fairs fair.
.
chris the belgrano has been sink out if the war region, if you don t recognise that I don t know in wich world you are
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when the captain says he was in the wrong place, that is the end of it,
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he should know, he was there,,,,was you .
Margaret T recognise that the Belgrano was sinked out of the exclution zone, why are you saying something different now?, learn before you talk,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Out side the Total Exclusion Zone for all foreign forces, of whatever nationality. Well inside the war zone for all Argentinian forces.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote:
Admiral Enrique Molina Pico, head of the Argentine Navy in the 1990s, wrote in a letter to La Nación, published in the 2 May 2005 edition,[26] that the Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission. This is the official position of the Argentine Navy.[27]
Exactly what part of this do you not understand?
Is there is a exclution zone, why there is then?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@80pepegalleta,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentine sabotage team tried to sink some of our ships at Gibraltar.
A long, long way out of the exclusion zone, don't you think?
The exclusion zone was for foreign(not Argentine, not British)ships to stay out of.
The Belgrano was an armed, belligerent enemy warship.
Doesn't matter where it was. lt was a legitimate target.
lt was our duty to sink it before it sank one of ours.
So we did.
Which part of Belgrano was a part of an enemy fleet trying to kill British people therefore we sank it, do these people not understand?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only in Argentina can you start a war and then protest and act like a victim when people shoot back.
76 pepegalleta
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will reply in as simple a way as I can:
The EZ around the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) was put in place to warn off non-Brit ship traffic who would otherwise have the right to cross the sea at that point;
ALL other shipping (inc Argentine merchants carrying war materials) flying the Argentine flag, WHEREVER they were in the world were considered beligerants and liable to be sunk WITHOUT WARNING;
The Belgrano was allowed to get close to the zone to ensure it was not a decoy intended to lure away Brit surface ships;
When it was confirmed that it was likely to actively take part in aggression IT WAS SUNK.
Please try and understand that once a rogue country carries out an act of war ALL THE ASSETS OF THAT COUNTY, AIR,LAND AND SEA IMMEDIATELY BECOME GENUINE TARGETS THAT CAN BE DESTROYED WITHOUT WARNING.
That was exactly the position Argentina was in after they started the war.
@82 GreekYoghurt
Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair shooting and not expecting to be shot back at was the modus operandi of the Argentine military:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Margarita_Belén
@80 pepegalleta
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Exclusion zone is primarly for neutral merchant shipping and civilian aircraft.
“and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission”
Get it now!
@84 I don't think the Argies actually expected anyone to man-up and fight back. Bullies like Argentina don't typically like it when someone bigger hands them their arses. That's why they're currently trying not to admit that they got their arses thoroughly kicked, and say things like 'you shouldn't have sunk our boat, booo hoo booo hooo boo hooo'.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh Argentinians get more pathetic the more you think about their behaviour.
86 based in what you wrote then if an Argentinian in the 82 was in UK with a bomb and blowed up near to militars it doesn t mTter if is in a exclution zone or not, that means if a new war start we can send Argentinian to Uk to blow up bars if there s some militars?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how can you be that ignorant to don t recognise a coward action M T took?
@87 - But in 1982 argentina did exactly that when they sent agents to Gibraltar to blow up British navy vessels, which is the exact same thing as sending troops our agents to blow up military bases in th UK - Fortunately the argentine agents failed to complete there mission.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 pepegalleta
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you talk bullshit you turd, dont talk to us,, you insulting turd,,, you all brainwashed,,, no like others insult you, pepegalleta turd shit, piss off
89 briton
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi, are you sure you got all the 'turd' comments in? :o)
I think even this pillock has got the message now.
@ 90 Crisis
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain's former EnergyMinister Chris Huhne adnitted in the late January that initial exploration for oil off the Islands has proved “ disappointed”
ChrisR (#
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry abt that, he got my goat, he moans about being insulted, then insults others, insults the queen, then when I picked him up, politely , he then thinks he can insult be, and get away with it,
I don’t insult others, and I expect the same back,, like you criss, I enjoy a bit of banter, and treat people the way I expect to be treated, but some of these men, don’t even seem to mind when they insult everything British,
How they small minded Argies were ever taught to pull their nappies up, I will never know,, thanks,
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@ 92 You ,piece of cheese.!
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q : what is the phrase meaning of “” piece of cheese“” is used somewhere in Britain .. where ?
92 hope you blow up in a war, and yor family too
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 093 McClick
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cheese for 94 perhaps.lol.
@ 95
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know becouse you are not British.
yep your right their, im not from this planet, im just passing through .lol.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@96 McClick
Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Q : what is the phrase meaning of “” piece of cheese“” is used somewhere in Britain .. where ?
No idea, got to go now and get back to Earth before the Star Gate closes.
Briton you was the one to start wishing the end of the Argentina, you was very clear wishing the exterminion of the Argentinian with a nuclear nuke, are you stupid or what ?, all the bad that I wish to you and your family is less than you wish to my nation.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you a nazi?, you think like one of those nazis, but hope in nect war you and your family suffer like a ratt
@100 pepegalleta,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shut up, estupido. you have nothing important to say. ldiota!
You are a ratt. ls that different to a rat? Fool.
(Love feeding the trolls & poking sticks at stupid malvinistas!)
@88 Just ignore pepegalleta, he's quite cognitively deficient. He's talked about the exclusion zone (which was for neutral shipping) several times and still gets upset that they started a war and we sunk their boat. Apparently in an argentinian war they are the only people supposed to do any sinking, like they tried in Gibraltar, which was clearly outside of any exclusion zone so they knew the state of play.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is, Argentinains are pathologically incapable of self-reflection or guilt. They purposefully refuse to acknowledge facts, in order that they can fell that they are correct, including the fact that they started a war. They seem to cling to the fact that the UK was doing something wrong, and therefore sinking a boat wasn't the correct thing to do, their view of the context is completely warped. Because of this they feel no need to be guilty about being warmongers, expansionists, and cling to these fake scenarious like glue, diverting people's attention to the minutia in order to avoid the big picture.
It's quite interesting that they can do this as a national consciousness.
11 december 1990 passed in Argentine Congress
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Law No : 24184
Content : some treaties with Britain.
103 McClick
Mar 11th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but it is over-ridden by Law No. 24,184, promulgated on November 4, 1992, promulgated on November 24, 1992, published on December 1, 1992, effective February 19, 1993.
Difficult to follow in parts but basically Argentina want to renounce the agreement over some bonds that were the subject of the 1990 law.
Nothing changes.
@ 104 crisis
Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but,you don't know this Law's detailed content ,do you...!
@105 Argentinians don't do 'laws', so what does it matter. All that matters is what the mafia tell them to do.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 106 stelyo
Mar 11th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for all we know the Argentina is neither Patagonia nor Texas.
People on this site are correct, as a free born English man, it is unworthy of me to lower myself into the gutter to talk to a nobody like Pepegalleta
Mar 11th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I will say this to him, and then no more will I either reply or listen to him,, and he will have to live with the guilt,
Pepegalleta,,,
Any man who wishes the deaths or innocent men women and children,
Are not only antichrists, but a devil worshiper, doing his work,
You are then a potential murderer and a child killer,
And from this day I want nothing to do with you,
You will have to live with the words of a potential child killer and a coward
The rest of your life,
Everyone on these bloggs will look Upon you as a devil worshiper doing the devils work, a coward and a killer and a murderer,
You know longer exist, and these who associate with you,
You know longer exist Pepegalleta,,,
You know longer
You know
You
Gone ?/
Now fuck off .
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105 McClick
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but,you don't know this Law's detailed content ,do you” NO I do not, because the 'summary' at the front of the 'law' gives you the legal synopsis without all the whining and crying of the fabled Argentine 'lawmakers'.
It is exactly as I have said. End of story.
Greeckyoughurt, Isolde and Briton
Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0KISS MY ASS
@110 - no thanks we don't know where its been and we don't want to know either lol
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0111 F, c you, I see you know a lot obout the asignature, are you an ass inspector ?, I don t care if you are gay, that is your life.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is somebody has another ass you can offer to TEABY2 he likes asses, but first let him know who was there before,
teaany2 if yiu are GAY again not my business,
Have a happy life, uou are human doesn t matter your sexual orientation
111 - No am not gay, and again you are making suggestive comments about my sexual tastes, first was you disgustly suggested i had an unhealthy knowledge on argentine age of consent, implying i was a pedophile, when i most certainly am not. I took that post on the chin in the event it was down to poor translation, though its evidently clear now that it was not.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now after i responded to your last post with a bit of a witty comment, ment to lighten up and homour posters here, including you, you insult me and make yet another suggestive comment about my sexuality. You are clearly a disturd and hatefilled being that is not able to take a joke when it hits him in the face. You know usually people like you are like the way you are because your life is shit, and you blame everyone else around you, when truth is you have only yourself and your lack of will and determination to change your life, to blame.
If you don't want other posters making jokes about you or insulting you, then simply do not insult them as they are clearly far more intelligent then you, going by the lack of intelligence you have show so far in your posts.
As for who i am, well am a self made wealthly man, with connections to the government, thats all you need to know.
Morning all, I've a quite a good weekend, thank you so much for asking. Now it's Monday morning, just popped on here to see how we don't like at the moment and I think I found someone already.... It only took 1 minute
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey!! 101 lsolde!!
Is pepegalleta, Malvi-baby under a new user name? and without the capital letters?? Take a look at the postings.. I think so.
113 and 114 I Am not the same guy, Malvi baby.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Teaboy2 , sorry if I usulted you , but since I start here I always get insults and bud answers with a lit of people here. My english is limited that is way may be I sound aggresive or as you said lack, in spanish I have more ability to write and discuss, but I don t think you ir most of the people here have enough spanish to discuss about anyyhing.
The reason that I insulted some people here like BRITON is becouse he wish UK send a NUKE to Argentina to kill everybody, including my family, he doesnt have any sensibility, Regarding you have some government contacts I don t really care snd I don t konw what you mentioned?, I am not scare of you and I will not let anybody insult me here. sorry if you don t like it.
As I told you before may be some time I take things as an insult like you ad, that is way I respinded in that way to you, if you think you just wrote a joke snd I misunderstood your ad, please accept my apologies, if you have been trating to insult me Fuck you, you can take the right answer only you know wich one is the right one.
Answer me to know wich one was the right answer,
take care
Apology accept Pepegalleta - thank you.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0116 thank you too,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have a great day
@115 I'm kind of curious that pepegalleta sets out a heart felt discussion on the devastating and live changing affects of thermonuclear war, altering your lifestyle completely, destroying families, unable to return to your home, rebuilding from nothing...
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... but then he's happy as larry to discuss ethnically cleansing the Falklands, as shown on KFC's advert, where apparently the outcomes aren't to dissimilar. So saying things that make Argentinians feel bad is not allowed, but their pathological inability to see the other side of their own hate is quite okay.
So you threaten argentinians = bad, but Argentinains threaten you = good.
What complete psychos.
118 you are the psycho here, if you insult me I will do the same, if you respect me I will do the same
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@114 toooldtodieyoung,
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't think so. He has a different style of grammar.
Of course he could be faking, who knows.
pepegalleta is a lot more aggressive & touchy than malvi-baby.
But, who really cares?
Isolde, sorry if I sound aggresive, but I started to be aggresive since BRITON wished a NUKE destroy Argentina,
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take care
“the Islands were unoccupied”: 1° lie. The islands were occupied first by France, then by Spain, and then by Argentina.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina claims the Falkland Islands form part of the province of Tierra del Fuego – an area that was not claimed as a part of the Republic of Argentina”: 2° lie. A fallacious argument. The islands were property of Buenos Aires, and Buenos Aires ceded the islands to Tierra del Fuego in the XX century.
“There is no truth to Argentine claims that a civilian population was expelled by Britain in 1833”. 3° lie. Baseless.
“The people expelled were an illegal Argentine military garrison, who had arrived three months earlier”. 4° lie. People expelled were officialy designed governors and administrators. There was nothing illegal on it. Britain never had a claim over the Falklands islands. Britain had illegally occupied Saunder Islands, and never the East Falklands, who invaded on 1833, and was the place were argentines were living. The occupation of Saunder islet was illegal, because it was property of France, who sold the islands to Spain, who put the island under Buenos Aires administration.
“The civilian population of the Islands, who had sought permission from Britain to live there, were invited to stay”. 5° lie. ¿how come that in the first statement “the Islands were unoccupied”, but not “The civilian population of the Islands, [...] were invited to stay”?. Also is false that “had sought permission from Britain”. Only Vernet, as private citizen, “had sought permission from Britain”, and it was denied. Also, Britain had no right to give such permission, and Vernet only got that permission from Argentina.
Britain only allowed remaining prisoners escaped from the argentine jail. And no Argentine citizen remained on the islands.
“We are not an implanted population”. 6° lie. Yes, you are, British.
122 I am with you, The islands belong to Argentina, I blame Carlos M becouse he desintegrated the Argentinian Army, it could be differnet with an proferional army.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122 buxcador
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@123 pepegalleta,
All you pair have said is lies.
We own the Falklands & you do not.
We do not care what you think.
We do not care for your hurt pride.
Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands & NEVER will.
lts something that you will have to get used to.
So, pepegalleta, you would like to invade us for the 3rd time? yes?
A “peaceful” people indeed.
124 lsolde
Mar 14th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0That won't happen. any Argie politician knows that it would the end of their Political career if they dared try it.
ISOLDE
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the Uk is doing thwre?, I am talking about the Uk Army. Is protecting what uk took from Argentina, the problem yo Argentina is that after CM there is not a real army. That is why I blamed him. Uk use thd Disuacion with the aircraft and the HMS plus an a atomic sub.
If Argentina build an army in the next 10 years we will be discussing in a different way the Malvinas issue. If Argentina can build an army with Brasil, like Brasil proposed to Argentina in 10 more years I am almost sure we will negociate in different bases, actually may be will not be a neccesary war, just with disuacion, a powerful argentinan and brasilian army will be enough.
Read about the project to build the regional army with Brasil just to protect natural resources
@126 pepegalleta
Mar 14th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dosen't matter who is on your side, your are still wrong. The Brits will not change their minds, the Brits will still fight if nessecary that is the difference.
“If Argentina can build an army with Brazil”
- You might want some navy if you plan on invading the S Atlantic. And if the Brazilians are prepared to die for your Bullshit.
The British will protect their natural resources, renewable and non-renewable, in the S Atlantic from anyone.
Mad psychotic bitch is the best term for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner!
Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Others around Cristina Kirchner that are also crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
I am with you in this one, I think a guy like Macri can be a good president, I hate How CFK is runing the country, that is why I left Argentina in 95, when Carlos M was president, I don t like the peronista doctrina
Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@128 Has anyone bought the Malvinas franchise for either of these two money spinners yet?
Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@125 toooldtodieyoung,
Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be too sure.They could rearm within one year if they tried.
l despise them, but l don't underestimate them.
l am sure that they will try again.
@126pepegalleta,
The UK army is here to protect us from Argentina.
lf Argentina was a good neighbour, like Chile for example, the UK Army could go home.
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