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First line diplomat and arms control expert next UK ambassador in Argentina
The UK Foreign Office informed on Friday that John Freeman has been appointed new Ambassador to Argentina to replace outgoing Ambassador Shan Morgan, who has held the post since 2008. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnother example of the UK wanting to do the right thing. However I fear it will fall on deaf ears with this horrendous regime in BA.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at least he can write a book at meetings, if they are that boring .
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 if only Thin Nestor Sr was still alive, then he could sit there and watch him dance around the room demanding land and jumping about and screaming lines from 'mein kampf'. You couldn't pay for book writing gems like that.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha .
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They send us a malvinista muppet, we send them a serious diplomat who knows his “Whiz Bangs” and is intimately familiar with several international organizations.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guess who is taking this seriously, and has an approach that is not based on short term domestic issues.
However CFK still has the Mighty TinMan to send in and change the reality.
The Foreign office must really have it in for this fella :-)
Mar 10th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile - elsewhere http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/timermans-whistle-stop-tour-of-africa/
Diplomats eh lol
Great Link Lord Ton
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the UK will need to immediately reintroduce conscription to deal with this new threat posed by Mozambique.
“‘Colonialism: A problem of the 19th century to the twenty-first century,’ at the Institute of International Relations of Mozambique’s Academy of Sciences”.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't envy him that one, has anyone told him about the history of Mozambique.
“The Rhodesians are coming”.
6 Lord Ton
Mar 10th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0excellent work Lord Ton :)
8 Pugol-H
LOL It was a decent place to spend a holiday back then. Now look at it.
“LOL It was a decent place to spend a holiday back then” yes for the white british minority while the real natives didn't had any righths, didn't own any productive land becouse all the good land in Rhodesia it was in hands of the british white minority. If you think like that and you miss soo much the British Empire times you are a simple racist. You should be a shame of yourself!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Mugabe has done such a good job !
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get out of America
Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10.... The british? Mozambique was one of Portugal's.... who were typical nasty latin colonisers..... After independence they asked to join the Commonwealth of Nations..... maybe RGland should think of joining....
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0His he taking the piss
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hector Timerman moved on to other business; ”We have come to Mozambique with the interest of strengthening ties between the two countries and working together in many aspects of international politics that can bring benefits for our peoples. Argentina is a country with a great agrícola-tecnológico development and our cooperation is to share it with others to ensure food security for their people.
Dying from hunger in food-exporting Argentina
At least 10 indigenous children have died from malnutrition in north-west Argentina
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12973543
@14 It's the Arg-Mafia. You cannot tell the Arg-Mafia what to say, because once they've got their eyeballs on someone elses things, they won't stop. Even with first nations people starving, it's of no concern to them, because those people are brown, and not white.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only white people matter in Argentina, because Argentina is white!
@12 Cero,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0NO.
You get out of America.
@16 do they mean america, as in USA? Or the Americas as in those poor countries south of Mexico?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 010 taky
Mar 10th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Black Rhodesian had education, health care a job and could expect to live to 60+
A black Zimbabwean has a life expectancy of just 33.
In Rhodesia mechanised white farmers were restricted in what land they could own, to protect less mechanised black farmers from being taken over. The productivity difference was in the mechanisation, not the quality of the land.
The first thing Mugabe did on independence was to remove land restrictions on white farmers, and then sold them as much land as he could. He wanted more tobacco to sell, a cash crop that brought in dollars for him. And this was the land he later reposed, and reduced a big food exporting country to starvation.
The second thing he did (being of the Mashona tribe) was massacre 15 thousand or so Matabele, settling an ancient tribal feud from long before the time of the British.
I am not defending Smith and UDI, however please don’t try and tell me that what replaced it, Mugabe, was better for the people of the country black or white, it wasn’t.
On the scale of human suffering it was far, far worse.
These were not the British empire times, but the dissolution of the empire times.
Dr.John Freeman ?? very strange..!!
Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he is the expert of South Asia rather than South America..!!
maybe this is typical English confusing or confused English...!!
Expert of things South.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK sends an expert, we send a flight attendant. Great. Chicken or pasta? roflmao
Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We”? You surely mean us?
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are as argentine as vodka.
10 taky
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and what has this to do with CFK trying to steal what is not hers, if you don’t like what YOUTHINK the brits done, then why do you support what CFK is trying to do now, the only difference i can see, is with Britain, it was the past, the old empire days, ,,,but with you lot, its new, the future and a new argentine empire, that she will never get,, stick with the present, and look to the real future, you will never ever get a free democracy, to indoctrinate and change into your dictatorship .
Is that easier for you .
16 isolde
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sure, with people like you, thieves, we must take care. probably you'll start saying all argentina belongs to uk. criminals
You’ll start saying all Argentina belongs to uk
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina belongs to Argentina,
The Falklands belong to the Falklanders,
And the British, just protect them,
.
malvinas does not belong to the people who stole them.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do not try and fairy tales about britain. we're grown and you should find a decent job instead of earning money for talking nonsense
Malvinas does not belong to the people who stole them
Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[the world agrees with you]
And when you fine these Malvinas islands, rest assured we British will be only to pleased to help our argentine friends to remover and usurpers you find on them,
do not try and fairy tales about Britain
fact]
Britain is famous for fairy tales, mostly copied from Hollywood,
Sleeping beauty , and the wizard of oz,, and of course home grown robin hood of Sherwood forest . .
we're grown instead of earning money for talking nonsense
Absolute not true,
Argentina is world famous for talking nonsense,
Keep up the good work .
.
@24 Cero
Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“probably you'll start saying all Argentina belongs to UK”
Now that is an idea, in military (pirate) thinking, it is better to defend in front of your vital ground, than on it.
Patagonia is on the Falkland Islands continental shelf, and has proximity to British territories.
The British may have concluded a “mutual defence pact” with the Patagonian and TDF Indians prior to the Argie invasion of 1880. After all the British have been in the S. Atlantic since long before then.
Under the terms of which, the Brits would be fully justified in liberating the territories of Patagonia and Araucania (for which a King still exists somewhere in Paris (France)), from the current occupation by the descendants of the “Evil Spanish Dons”.
Of course once liberated, the territories would be handed over to the duly elected representatives of the indigenous people, just as soon as C24 agreed.
That could fly!
Better constructed than most of the rubbish put forward by “the Mighty TinMan”.
@23 Briton. I don't defend CFK. I never did and I will never do it. And I agree completly about Falkland Islander self determination. And many in my country agree too to leave the islanders in peace and what this govermnet is doing is wrong. Don't put me in the same bag with the rest of the phanatics. I only tray to be fair. You constantly mention all the atrocities the Spanish Empire did, and all the atrocities the argentine goverbent did during the 19 century with the native argentines. But inmediatly we are colled anti-british if we mention to you all the atrocities Britain did in the past. Are you anti Spanish or anti argentine for mention all the bad things we did in the past ? Come on be fair. You call yourself fair and only you believe that, the rest of the world remember very well all the unfair things you did in the past. Even in India that is part of the Commonwelth of Nations teach to their children the nasty and unfair things Britain did to them (along with the possitve things).
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0In argentine schools they teach to the childrens (after 1983 with the return of democracy) about the atrocities argentina commit in the past.
I read a few years ago a history school text book used in uk during the '60. And all I read about was how great the Empire was for the world and not even mention the genocides and atrocities Britain did to the countries it dominate for centuries. Denied your past is a sin.
@29taky,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason that many on here bring up the atrocities etc comitted by Argentina & Spain is because the malvinistas here continually rave on about what the British did while trying to portray themselves as an “innocent young republic”
“Oh that wasn't us, that was the Spanish ” they think that the slate was wiped clean in 1810.
But the same hypocritical people want to hold the present day British responsible for any evils commited in the British empire.
Rank hypocracy.
@24&26Cero,
Say whatever you like, señor. BUT:-
1)These are our lslands,
2) we did not steal them,
3) they are NOT yours,
4) you CANNOT have them,
5) you would like to steal them,
6) if there is any oil here it is OURS, ha ha ha.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
7) l don't care if you like it or not, tough bananas for you.
8) clear enough for you?
@30 It's a clearly true observation of their character. They are completely unwilling to accept that, given they are 99.9% white, 'they' are the spanish that performed all the genocides and stole all the land off the first nations people. They then freely accuse other people of things that they are guilty of.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0A clear example is that in 2006 they redrew their maps to take a large swathe of Chile in the Southern Patagonian Ice Fields. Because of lack of self-reflection and self-awareness they are incapable of even recalling this recent date when they were doing exactly what they accuse everyone else of doing.
It's clearly a pathological trait within the character of the Argentinian. I don't know if it's as a result of the Brainwashing at school or the manner to which they have been brought up, but the extremes to which they go to in order to negate past events and hide from guilt is quite extreme.
I'm surprised expending this amount of psychic energy on managing their thoughts away from reality does lead to a huge number of mental health issues in their country.
GreekYoghurt your hate and your anti-argentine is not base in truth, just your paranoid thinking about argentina. In schools here they teach to the kids the truth about atrocities argentine goverment commited in the past in 19 and 20 centuries. Your apreciation about argentina schools are completly wrong. You are the ones that dennied your past. And only glorify it. Talking about British genocides: Australia, New Zeland, Canada, 13 American Colonies. And don't came up with those lies about diseases. The Spanish have the same diseases than the English. If you want facts go to any country in Latin America and you will see that the mayority of their citizen are mestizos or 100% indians (except Argentina and Uruguay for the atrocities we don't dennied) You are the one that lie to your kids telling them all the glory of the British Empire. You are the one that should be ashame of your past becouse you constantly dennied it. We don't dennied and constantly remmaind to our kids the truth about our past. If you want I can send you scholars text books about that. So please stop telling lies. And start teaching to your kids that the Empire was base in racial discrimination and extermination of the native populations of lands around the world your country colonize. Lets see facts.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Former Spanish colonies mayority mestizos and indians.
Former British colonies little native polupations. Exeption Indians and African colonies because they were so many you could not kill them all. But you try (Indian and African famines). So you!! stop lying!!!!!
@32taky,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you teach your schoolchildren lies about the Falklands?
Why do you teach them that the Falklands were stolen from Argentina when they were not.?
Why do you teach your children the lie that we expelled Argentines from the Falklands?
Why do you teach your schoolchildren that the British Antarctic belongs to Argentina when it does not?
Why do you teach these lies to impressionable young minds who will grow up hating us for a crime that was never commited?
Do you still wonder why we do not trust you?
@32 Come on, taky, I want to see how you respond to Isolde.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's clarify:
a) Why do you try to claim Islands that you squatted on for no more than 13 years, when they had already been British for 130 years?
b) Why do you claim that argies were expelled when only a foreign military garrison was told to leave British territory?
c) Could you explain how your country has the gall to claim, in 1942, territory that had already been claimed by Britain in 1908?
d) Why does your country seek to interfere with the economy and trade of another country?
e) Why do politicians from your country spend time going around the world lying about your claims to the Falkland Islands?
f) Why do you deny Falklanders the right to be “a people” when their situation is no different from that of argies in relation to Spain?
g) Let's hear about the Spanish, and argie, discrimination against and extermination of the indigenous people of what is now called “argentina”.
h) While you're at it, tell us all about the Spanish and Portuguese discrimination, torture and genocide throughout South America.
And you're trying to do it again with the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. We KNOW that you planned to ethnically-cleanse the Islands. We KNOW that you also planned to attack Chile. Who was going to be next? Uruguay? Paraguay?
And you wonder why Brits and Falklanders are anti-argentine? You will NOT get the Falklands! You will NOT get South Georgia! You will NOT get the South Sandwich Islands! You will NOT get any part of the British Antarctic Territory!
Don't bother with what Britain DID! That was then. Britain took actions that were the norm back then. No excuse for you to try to do the same things NOW!
29 taky
Mar 11th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of, this is Briton your talking to,,,, I have not ever put you in with anyone, and I have not and do not constantly mention all the atrocities the Spanish Empire did, and all the atrocities the argentine government did during the 19 century with the native argentines
[][as this is not my spire of information .][] so I fear you may well be confused, with your self,
Argentina started this, Argentina started ratching all this up, and if im correct it is argie bloggers that keep on bring up the past of the British, so they only retaliate back,, the islanders have done nothing at all to no one, they have not attacked you, insulted you, abused you , or even blockaded you, all this is down to Argentina,
And one last thing, we don’t hate the Argies or the Spanish, it is but the governments we refer to , is it not, and some abusive Argies that are doing it constantly, but refuse to take it back,
So calm down, no one is anti, unless they say they are anti, and the most proficient anti I have found on here, is Malvino, as this he confesses himself, ,,,,
Now then, about this false claim you have ,,,,
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@32 taky
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In history no one is innocent, or they would not be here today. This has been a fact of history as long as there has been human history.
The History of the British Empire gets quoted here usually by Argies, as proof of colonialism in the S. Atlantic. The British did this in other places therefore they Must have done it in the S. Atlantic.
The issue here is about what really happened in the S. Atlantic, not Patagonia or some other part of the British Empire.
However as the facts do not support Argentina’s version of history of the S. Atlantic, the subject get changed to British history elsewhere in the world.
Whatever may, or may not have happened elsewhere and in the past, the fact is that today, here and now, Argentina teaches its school children a completely false version of history, to justify it’s wish to annex an independent people over which Argentina has no legitimate claim.
Whatever happen in the past, who you think has the colonial ambitions today.
agreed
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 32 You have indian blood, right? Like malem. You people are boooooooooooooring. Why you people are always acting like victims? You're not victims, your people did horrible things, killed other people, many people. The British have never been the enemies of Argentina, they did not invade Argentina, this territory was Spanish in the days of the invasions. Please tell us about the great advances your indian ancestors brought to this country or to this world, and I will tell you that even the web is here because of an English man. You're ungrateful and envious taky, always crying and demanding, but you are incapable of doing something to make things like you want them to be, in the real world you can do nothing.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ The British attack the People of Buenos Aires, to get at the Spanish. The citizenry of Buenos Aires hardly saw themselves as Spaniard anymore, and even if it did it makes little difference. It was not the Spanish army that kicked the British Amy twice out of Buenos Aires, it was the militias.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you are using “you” to talk to Argentines now. Let's drop all the pretenses once and for all.
@lsolde
The British Antarctic Territory is not recognized by anyone, totally different from the Falklands situation. Nor is the Antarctic British, sorry.
Big Jim
Mar 12th, 2012 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/congressman-jim-sensenbrenner-speaks-to-the-falkland-islands-government/
Why is it that Argentine bloggers maintain that their country has changed completely in the last 30 years (as a rule they dismiss their military occupation of the Falklands as an atypical non-event run by idiots who were not real Argentines) while they keep on harping about 1830. It's a bit like the poor victims of Alzheimer's: they remember (or imagine) the distant but not the recent past.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39tobias,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0l did say Antarctic, l meant the Antarctic lslands.
l was just to lazy to type out:-
South Georgia
South Sandwhich lslands
South Orkney lslands.
There, now l've done what l should have done in the first place.!
Still waiting for an answer, taky.
@24 Cero (#)
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:15.
No worries bloke, we will never claim the tiniest chunk of Argentina as UK territory.
@Furry-Fat-Feck
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, but why do you still hold onto that tiny pice of Spain known as Gibraltar? Are you expecting WW3 to break out soon and the UK will need control of the Mediterranean?
What international treaty gove Britain control of the Falklands? There is more than one side to this story - the UK's, Argentina's and the Falklanders who, I believe have the right to self determination.
Nevertheless always bear in mind that the Falklands/Malvinas are a geographical part of Argentina.
“OK, but why do you still hold onto that tiny pice of Spain known as Gibraltar? ”
Mar 12th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar is not a piece of Spain, any more than Portugal is a piece of Spain. Gibraltar was ceded in perpetuity by the Spanish crown to the British crown and on top of that the people of Gibraltar want to remain British.
Well, since you are asking, perhaps you could point out which international treaty apparently gives the “Malvinas” to Argentina?
33 lsolde, 34 Conqueror, 35 briton and 36 Pugol-H
Mar 12th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you've gone and done it...... You've scared him off!! You know scared they get when confronted with a sane rational debate.
Look what happened to Malvi-baby. but that's ok, I'll make a special call that will bring them back to the forum........
Taky.....Taky!!! Taky, where are you??? You can have your Islands back!! We don't want them anymore!!”
No, that didn't work either.... oh well.
44 Ozgood (#)
Mar 12th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:58 pm
And the RoI is a geographical part of the British Isles, so too are tha Faroe Islands. Uruguay and Paraguay are geographically part of Argentina too as is Chile and of course the whole of South America.
Seeing as you mention Gibraltar, Spanish North Africa is part of, well, North Africa but jealously guarded by Spain anyway. So what is Spain's excuse?
The truth is that if you want to open up that geographical can of worms you implicitly support expansionism in the 21st century. In my view any small country has a right to defend itself or accept a defence agreement with another country willing to do so against a larger expansionist neighbour.
Your argument does not stand up to close scrutiny.
39 Tobias - The British successfully took over Buenos Aires, was it 1806 or 1807? The city was not retaken by its inhabitants but by an expeditionary force from Montevideo (thus this latter stronghold was given the title of “Muy Fiel y Reconquistadora” (Most Loyal and Reconquering) by the Spanish crown, which the residents of both BA and Montevideo still supported fully. Your statement that “the citizenry of BA hardly saw themselves as Spaniards any more” is inaccurate;that started to take place several years later.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a pity that the Montevideans were successful in dislodging the British from BA. To the contrary, present-day Argentina might have been more like Canada and not what it is.
@Furry-Fat-Feck
Mar 12th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do believe that King Juan Carlos has mentioned that he would like Gibralter back - never mind the Treaty of Utrecht (1713)
History is full of miscarriages of justice.
Yes and the people of Morocco would like Spain to give back plazas de Soberania but it isn't going to happen anytime soon. I do believe you forgot to mention this in your reply. Why is that then? Axe to grind is it?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isolde
Mar 12th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree that history about falkland may be innacurate be teaching in argentine schools because fanatism of goberment distort history for their convenience. But your version of history is also distort from reality.
You teach that Britain hold sovereignty of those islands since 1765 and is not true. The first claimant of sovereignty was France and ceded to Spain legally. You were the one that illegally claim those islands a year after France. You can not claim sovereignty of lands when they are allredy claimed by somebody else. That is illigal.
France ceded to Spain legally. So the traspassers were you. Spain did not recognize your sovereignty in the Masserano pact at all. That is a completly false affirmations you constantly repit. Get the facts rights.
Spain put those islands under Buenos Aires jurisdicction. When we got our independence the regions or provinces from the former Viceroy that did not want to be part of the new country split apart and form other countries like Paraguay or Bolivia. But because the falklands were uninhabited did not split from the new country. What argentina did before 1833 was only taking the land that belong legally to Buenos Aires. We were not squatters like you coll us.
If all of us are fair Spain (for the legal sessecion of France) had more rights of those islands than anybody else. You did not have any rights to take those islands in 1833.
About the expulsion of the argentine population from the islands I agree with you that only the military personel were evicted and that tha mayority of the civilian remain. What I don't know is how they were treated, knowing the racist philosofy the British Empire had in those days. I can give you many expamples of racist discrimination in Buenos Aires and Montevideo during the British occupation in 1806 and 1807.
Diaries written by british officers and even the court martial against Whitelocke have many testimonies about this.
Whether or not France claimed sovereignty first and then ceded it to Spain does not mean the the British did not claim sovereignty in 1765 though does it?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I don't even know why we are arguing any of this.
They are the Falkland Islands
They are not Argentinian
They never were.
The only Argentines who were ever expelled were Argentine military who had no right to be there
Civilians, British, Spanish, Portugese, French were allowed to stay and did so.
The UK is under no obligation to hand sovereignty over to Argentina except in the mind of a malvinista.
Argentina is in breach of several binding UN resolution regarding the islands.
Argentina has walked away from every agreement made bilaterally with the Falklanders, the Falklanders have not.
The British military stance in the region has changed not one jot in 30 years, only the technology has. It is not the responsibility of the UK or FI governments if the Argentine military is unable to keep pace in this respect.
Argentina has made its bed, Argentina now has to lie in it.
Feel free to add to this list if you feel the need. I have go and do the school run.
@52 “Whether or not France claimed sovereignty first and then ceded it to Spain does not mean the the British did not claim sovereignty in 1765 though does it?”
Mar 12th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can not claim sovereignty of lands that were claimed by somebody else before. That mean that you did not hold the sovereignty of those islands since 1765 as you constantly repite. That is a lie.
I agree completly about falkland islanders rights of self determination but that does not meant that I have to accept your distorted version of history too. Come on !!!! be honest.
Stop telling the world how great and fair and wonderfull were the british in history when the all world knows is not true. Stop lying and if may be you start to recognize your wrong doings in history we may be start recongnizing our wrong and find a fair solution to this problem. May be argentina even recongnize the falkland islanders rights to self determination.
But if you keep constantly said thar your were always the good guys through history and the rest of the world were the bad guys this will never end.
Start been honest with yourself. Recognize your wrong doing and your unfair decisions through history and may be the rest of the world will do the same.
Remember you are not above the rest of the world, we are all equals.
I met many british in my life and is a constant about you: You are convince that you are better than the rest.
Show some modesty for a change. Lets start something diferente between us. I meant a different relationship. May be as future neighbors, who knows...
That would be between the UK and France then. But not now because the UK and France sorted out their differences. In fact, when Britain and Spain nearly went to war over the islands, France was the go-between and Spain accepted that removing the British was unlawful.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep going on with your arrogance
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no evidence that France ever claimed sovereignty. Neither did France cede sovereignty to Spain. France SOLD its SETTLEMENT. Nothing more.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now come up with something that proves those statements wrong. Start with the documentary evidence of France's declaration of sovereignty. Preferably with a description of the territory. Next you should come up with the treaty by which France ceded anything to Spain. Please do not try to replace a “treaty” with a “bill of sale”.
Tell you what. We'll stop lying if you stop lying. But don't knock yourself out. We've already found a fair solution.
We don't pretend to be above the rest of the world. Of course, there are many parts of the world that we ARE above. You for instance. Remember the way it is always expressed? We are all equal, it's just that some of US are more equal than others.
But by all means, go with the modesty. Repeat after me one thousand times “We are a mediocre, bombastic country with psychotic delusions of grandeur.”
Conqueror you are the best example of a arrogant imperialistic racist and full of prejudice that can exist in this world. People like you are the one that made that the British Empire almust dominate the the world. And the worst of it is that you are proud of that. YOU MAKE ME SICK.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME OF YOURSELF. Keep singing Rule Britania, but thanks to God the Empire is over. And I know you miss that. Racist son of %#$%#.
how do you know the empire every really existed, it may be another argie trick,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all these who know so much about empires,
and yet are quite willing to sit back and see argentina get its very own little empire,
is this not true,
two wrongs do not make a right,
57 taky
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should chill and stop allowing yourself to be trolled by these idiots.
British people are not all proud of the empire and do not all think they are 'better than the rest'. I think you would know that if you engaged your brain for a couple of seconds.
@59 taky... the British Empire had a bit more going for it than the Spanish, Italian, and German empires.....
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, aren't the RGs predominantly Spanish/Italian/German blood? I guess that's why they are 'arrogant imperialistic racist s'
..... and thieves......
Only one ansewer to you Frank:
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370987/British-country-villages-want-remain-white-middle-class.html
You are the racist one. Believe me I'm dark skin guy and I met many British racist fanatics in my life. You are the worse of the worse about racism.
51 - Tacky - “Spain put those islands under Buenos Aires jurisdicction”.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, Tacky. The islands were under the jurisdiction of the Spanish “Capitanía de Puertos” (Port Captaincy) in Montevideo. Thus, if anything, the islands are Uruguayan. Does the geographical name “Lafonia” ring a bell? Samuel Fisher Lafone was a Scot living in Montevideo.
62- you are wrong. The islands were under buenos aires jurisdiction. Only after 1810, when buenos aires revolt against Spain that the islands were put under Capitania de Puertos of Montevideo for only one year because after that in 1811 Spain withdrow from the islands. Leaving a plaque saying that those islands belong to Spain. You should study a little more in the Archives in Buenos Aires and Montevideo before saying distorted british historical lies.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@61 Taky... you are guilty of making a bold assumption there... I'm not english and you don't know if I am black, white, or green........
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is just an example of a child text book of 1911
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mary did not even try to control her rage and humiliation. “You thought I was a native! You dared! You don’t know anything about natives! They are not people—they’re servants who must salaam to you. You know nothing about India. You know nothing about anything!”1
The Secret Garden
Frances Hodgson Burnett, 1911
The kids that were educated with this kind of stories grow up with the sence that white british were superior than the people they dominate around the world. For them the natives of the lands Britain stole were mere sirvients of the superior white british.
And I have hundreds of books like these. Britain was built over racism and prejudice. The natives of the lands they conquer were mere sirivents in the case of african or indians colonies or just exterminated to give space to the white british colonisers in the case of Australia or Canada.
And you keep been proud of the British Empire. If I were british I will be ashame.
Pugol-H
Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0HM Government sold out the White Rhodesians - This was Baroness THatcher and Lord Peter Carrington.
This is why today we have the mess that is Zimbabwe
British are often racists - had it not been for Winston Churchill the world may well have come to an agreement with Fascism and we all might be living in a new Dark Age.
taky,
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0We've been through all this before with every new blogger that comes on here.
Yes, the whole world are racists.
lts natural.
You mostly find shared companionship in your own kind, whoever you are & sometimes feel threatened by people who look or appear different.
l've seen it many times between different races, even people of the same race who have a different language.
The British are no more racist than anyone else.
The Argentines are just as racist.
Ask a Bolivian or a Paraguayan living in Argentina.
So stop the “race card” please.
lt gets awful boring after awhile.
l am certainly not ashamed of the British Empire.
lt also did a lot of good.
ln the case of lndia:-
1) a common language, English, which is still an official language.
2) stability, lndia was wracked by wars before the British took over.
3) trade, lndia was industrilized & many native lndians entered business.
4) railways, telegraph, postal services. none before the British.
5) massive canal & irrigation works undertaken, to make agriculture more efficient.
6) extensive road system built.
7) city planning, Delhi was laid out as a modern city in 1911.
8) universities & schools established
9) modern hospitals built
10) thuggee was wiped out, you know about thuggee, don't you taky.
11) suttee wiped out, though l hear its making a comeback.
12) keeping religeous violence as minimal as possible.
Naturally a lot of this was to assist the British ruling the country, but it benefited the lndian people as well.
When it was time to leave lndia in 1947, we left.
We left lndia a lot more prosperous & stable than when we found it.
You ask what happened to the civilians who were not expelled.
l have also explained that before, but in case you missed it.
Their descendents are still living on the Falklands.
They intermarried with later British & other immigrants.
They speak English & DO NOT want to be ruled by Argentina.
They consider themselves Falklanders & British.
Nearing the end of my alloted words. Peace
65 taky
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The kids who grew up in 1911 are all dead now. It's ancient history. Kids are not educated like this now.
As you well know, I think. You are just promoting your own brand of anti- British racism for reasons I can only imagine.
You seem very keen on the idea that Argentina inherited something from Spain. Did Argentina also inherit some responsibility for the misdeeds of the Spanish Empire? You seem to want to inherit land from Spain without admitting the facts of your own colonial past.
As I said, it's all history. It would be more constructive to think about the future.
Isolde
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In India if they speak english is because it was impossed to them. Instead of you learning the language of the people you invaded you pretend that they speak your. Imagine that argentine were sucesssfull in the Falkland in 1982 and imposse Spanish against your will. You should feel ashame of that not proud that they speak English.
Do you realise that you invade a country and imposse your language, costumes over people that were completly different from you ?
If Germany had won WWII we all be speaking german. You will said that is atrocious. Well that is exactly what you did in India.
They were treated like sirvients of the invaders in their own land. And you are proud of that ?
You didn't build the roads, rail, telegraph for them, be honest you did it because it was convenient for your exploitation of India.
Winston Churchil consider Indians as less than human. I'm looking what he said about them and when I find it I will put it here. But believe me
You have no consideration at all about Indians.
You should watch the move Passage to India to see how really was the life of the Indians and the lifes of white british colonisers. And you are proud of that ?
At the same time you complain when somebody try to do the same to you ? Do what I said but not what I do, that is your philosophy.
Monty
Not all of this prejudice and superior attitud british people are dead, look your co-natioal Conqueror and greekyougourt. Two examples of the most prejudice and racist and anti-Hispanic that can exist.
If it were for them all Latin America and even Spain should be erase from the world. Is a shame that people like them still have a voice in modern world.
And believe me I was born and grow up in argentina, I'm 50 years old, dark skin and never was treated in a racist way except of some jokes and that they coll me negro in a lovingly way. My wife and friends coll me like that but I was never treted diferent from others.
@57 THANK YOU!! That makes me feel really good. There is no way that I am racist. I just like to differentiate between humans and sub-humans, i.e. argies. And you are SICK? Well, I have to agree with that. But I didn't make you SICK. You did that all by yourself.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did your Spanish “ancestors” handle it? The “white god” line? Or was it the “Inquisition” line. After all, Spain was committed, by papal bull, to impose Christianity on the “heathen”. And they happily did it. By torture, such as ripping off limbs, crushing bodies, carving holes in people. Or killing them, by throttling them, burning them or just by cutting them with swords, or daggers, or axes or shooting them. Then there was shafting 'em.
Rule Britannia? Sure, why not? When was the last time argies DARED face the ROYAL NAVY? How did it go? Sank one and the rest RAN AWAY!
Tell you what! Britain has done more than your cesspit will ever achieve. You say you are a dark skin guy. Does that mean you are mestizo? In other words, a little while ago one of your female antecedents had it away with a Spanish guy. Was it willingly, or was she just a bed-warmer?
Now, how does it go? The natives of the lands they conquered were mere servants in the case of south americans or just exterminated to give space to the white spanish colonisers in the case of everywhere except Brazil. They got “screwed” by the Portuguese instead. You poor, deluded half-breed. See whether you can grow up and recognise you are still part of an under-class. Trying to be one of the “real people”? No chance really. You are under-class. Can you tell us how many dark-skin politicians you have? Would you like to compare that to the number of dark-skin politicians in Britain?
@69 Sorry, dick brain. Not anti-Hispanic. Just anti-argie and anti-YOU. Because you're a turd. Sorry, a second-class, ignorant, argie ass-licking black turd. Oh, being a turd doesn't depend on your skin colour. Brainwashed!
Conqueror you are a very sick man.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I met many people like you while I was in Britain. You probably belong to the BNP or the EDL party. And you are proud of that.
People like you were the one that invade Buenos Aires in 1806 and 1807.
People like you were the one that hunt aborigenes in Australia like animals and ulmost exterminate them.
People like you were the one that treat Indians as sirvients in their own land.
People like you were the one that exterminate de native of Canada.
And you are wrong it was a Scottish soldier that rape one of my ancestor that make me a mestizo, his name was McIntosh, and he was shot and his body dismembered by the indians after you surrender.
You should be ahame of what you are. You are disgusting and don't deseve to be call human.
63 - Tacky - “Only after 1810, when buenos aires revolt against Spain that the islands were put under Capitania de Puertos of Montevideo for only one year because after that in 1811 Spain withdrow from the islands.”
Mar 13th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you're saying I'm right. The Flaklands were under the jurisdiction of the Port Captaincy of Montevideo when the Spanish left what is nor Argentina. So, following Argentine arguments, the Falklands are Uruguayan. And we will give them to the Islanders, to live there in perpetual peace, defended by the British and trading with Montevideo.
You're an arrogant bugger, Tacky. I don't believe a word of what you say about your forebears. Only thing I envy you is the gov't salary you're probably getting.
[69]
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In India if they speak English is because it was imposed to them
[So that means, in Argentina if they speak Spanish, then it was imposed on them,
Sorry mate there is no point in giving information, if one has already made up his mind, it is a waste of time,
At the end of the day, two things will remain,
1, you will think what you want to think,
2, and the Falklands will remain British, end of,
.
ynsere
Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not lieing. My grandmother told me the story of Rosario, the indian woman that work for a family outside the town of Buenos Aires when the British invade the second time in 1807.
She told me that the whole family were she work was killed. One of the soldier name McIntosh rape her and after they continuos to the town.
After the british surrender. She recognize the soldiers that did that to that family and they took them and shot them right a way and their bodies were desmembered and throw it to a hole.
I don't have any proof of what my grandmother told me. But I knew her very well. She was a very honest and hard working woman and I believed her.
Beside many years later reading in the archives I found complains of the people to Liniers about the crimes and looting the british did before entering the town of Buenos Aires. May be my great, great, great grandmother Rosario was one of those cases. But I could not found her name. The indians did not have any kind of documentation. Only Spanish and Criollos were documented.
And for your information I don't work for the government, and I don't recive any kind of salary from them. For the las 20 years I work in my own harware store with my wife and my older son.
So please leave your assumptions for yourself.
You are the one that are brainwashed with lies about the British Empire, of how good, fair and mercifull it was. All lies.
Stop been so arrogant, put yourself in equal condition with the rest of humanity and you will see that you are not better than the rest of the world. Your history like ours is full of wrong doings and good doings.
Just have to acept that you are the same than the rest of the world.
Modesty my friend is virtue you seems to miss.
@69 taky,
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again you are wrong.
English was not “imposed” on lndia.
The opposite in fact.
The British army officers & any other Briton in government was required to speak several lndian languages.
Any business that operated there, required their non-lndian employees to speak at least 2 lndian languages.
The lndians themselves wanted to learn English because there are literaly hundreds of lndian languages.
We left lndia in 1947, taky. Thats over 60 years ago.
Why do they still teach English in their schools & universities?
The lndian middle classes & upper classes treated their servants far, far worse than the British ever did.
The people who became servants (their own choice)prefered working for the British.
They were at least paid properly & often fed & housed as well.
lndian nobility treated their servants like slaves & beat them frequently.
l have already stated that these vast improvements to lndia were for the ease of govenance,exploitation if you want, BUT the lndian people benefited also.
You just don't listen, do you, blinded by hate for us.
What about the orphenages, hospitals & schools for poor lndian children that were established.
Before the British came, there was none of that.
“A passage to lndia” a film, movie, taky.
Do you believe all the movies that you see?
l suppose you believe in “Braveheart” as well. Hollywood handles the truth very carelessly.
l think Argentines are more, “do as l say, not as l do”
Anyway, we're off track.
No Argentine colonizers welcome here. You stay in your patch & we'll stay in ours.
75 lsolde
Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for “Hollywood handles the truth very carelessly” please read “Ignores the truth enrtirely”.
I remember seeing an interview just before the UK release of “Men In Black” in which the director was at pains to point out the British audience that this was just a film, not a documentry. As he had had a lot of e-mails / texts from members of the American public saying it confirmed their suspisions of what the American secret service were doing.
With a general public THAT guliable, you pretty much have a Liecence to do what you want with history.......
Isolde
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are accusing us of brainwashing but what you show me is that you have a big problem of tunnel vision. You only see what you want to see. For you the British Empire was great, fair, kind. You don't see nothing else. Even if you have in front of your eyes proofs that says that the Empire was base in racial discrimination, abusses, unfairness. And you are wrong. Sirvients salaries in India was almust us slavery during the Raj. The difference is that with the white masters the indians have a clean place to live and food and clothing. Read actual indians books about the life during the Raj. Please don't read that crap of books written by british pro Empire ass“##$”#. I better read from the victims and not from the offenders. Would you read the version of the Nazis or from the Jew that were in the concentrations camps ???? Think !!!!
And an advice to you. Lower your level of ARROGANCE you are too high.
75
Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a waste i belive.
I think like you. Try to convince you that britain trying to dominate the world was wrong and bad is a waste of time and consuming energy-
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are convince that the only one that have the right to conquer the world was Britain. Anybody else that did treated to do it were a bad thing to do.
Only you have that special mission from God.
I hope you understand that I been sarcartic no?
Is been 30 years since I don't have contacts with british and it seems that you didn't change a bit.
You still convince that what you did in history was right and good. And the rest of the world was wrong. That kind of arrogance is only comparable with the Nazis during WWII.
All humans are equals you are better than the rest of the world.
Good luck
and Peace
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