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Freedom of expression in Argentina?
By John Fowler — “The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write and print with freedom...”. French National Assembly, Declaration of the Rights of Man, August 26, 1789. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis one is going to kick off once the malvinistas crawl out of bed for their lunch
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh how nice the malvinense is mentioned, the same pathetic website which pretends 2000 british soldiers were killed in the war and their deaths somehow covered up, the entire task force fleet sank and secretly replaced, and of course that the islanders need to be violently suppressed as they “only respect force”.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How amusing to see such spineless fascists try so hard to deny the humiliating defeat argentina's incompetent invasion suffered.
Still given argentina's history of fascism, cowardly butchery of those who resist argentine expansion, and whining like a bitch about being the “victim of colonialism” because their pathetic conscripts were unable to face a real army, the existence of such a paper is not unexpected
The last bloke that said we should all “Love thy fellow man” got himself nailed to a tree. And he was the son of god. So what chance four Argentine “intellectuals” ( now there is a oxy-moron, for those of you who collect them ) I don't know.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, it will be fun to see if they still practice burning people at the stake in Argentina..........
Argentines are having no problem with freedom of expression in the Falklands. Another large group arrived on Saturday's Lan flight and are already indulging in behaviour guaranteed to offend us. They have even brought their own TV crew to film them doing it. If Argentina truly wishes to build a better relationship with the Falkland Islands, they need to know this is not helping.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t agree with 10 years sentence they should receive life sentence like in Britain to be fair.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am generally a conciliatory kind of person. I really don’t like aggravation and conflict if I can possibly avoid it. I try my hardest to see the other person's point of view and to compromise wherever possible. However, with the best will in the world I cannot sympathise with the Argentine malvinist position on the Falkland Islands. As I see it they have three main arguments:
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Pope said in 1494 that if any lands were discovered south of the equator; Spain and Portugal could have them ... so we inherited them
A gang of Argentine pirates once planted a flag on one of the islands before they were kicked off. So they must belong to us
They are closer to us
This would be laughable if it were not for the fact that they have resulted in the deaths of over a thousand souls and the persistent harassment and threats towards the Falkland Islanders.
Haha Danny where have you been my favourite space cadet!
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever he's taken I'd like some!
They are a threat to the mafioso government and its expansion plan,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they discredit and alienate the opposers, the price of intellectual yet free speech in Argentina, a warning for those who wish to speak against the CFK government,practising your freedom of speech may actually cost you your freedom, not the kind of democracy i understand quite the opposite.
I know a song about this analysis of the Argentinia goebbelian media covering for their Mafia ... it's called “Didn't we learn our lessons from appeasing the Nazis in 1939”
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First Verse
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The nazis loved their leibensraum,
they also loved their beer,
Their hitler youth [le camping?] beat jews around,
at any time of year,
we appeased their muck,
let them invade,
all our allies dear,
so didn't we learn our lessons from those historic years?
Chorus
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Didn't we learn our lessons from appeasing the Nazis in 1939
They all ran off to Argentina to try another time
Didn't we learn our lessons from appeasing the Nazis in 1939
They're just waiting for another chance to commit another crime.
We all know the Argentinians are incapable of doing anything vaguely peaceful, so I'm not really sure why we're sat around discussing what they put in their sh!tty media.
@4 honoria What's going on then? What are they up to? Who authorised it? Are they doing anything illegal? Have you considered a demonstration? Or finding out whether the TV crew's equipment works underwater?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there is no freedom of expression then how do they heard of it? my god, the british press is more sensationalist than the argentinian....
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0besides the Cronica TV is like “The Sun” in the UK...and they took it as a common press? jaja dont you see how they wash the british minds? jaja
“If there is no freedom of expression then how do they heard of it?”
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How daft a comment is that? The article clearly states how the principle of the freedom of expression is being violated. You are either struggling with the whole concept or are using sophistry to defend the indefensible.
What is all this “jajajajaja” crap? What does it mean? It makes you sound like a retarded Bolivian bus driver.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's them trying to say “blah blah blah” - but i'm not sure.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bla bla bla bla
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0crónica and el malvienense are very pro argentinian anti-pirat, so they are entitled to write from their point view and criticize others point of view.
the 17 intellectuals are pro-british and have other media were they express freely their view, like La nación, Clarín, very mass media (monopolies of newspapers tv and cable and magazines and radios). Lanata writes in Perfil and has a radio programme in Mitre (of Clarín). He speaks always against the government, good all he says of Vudú. You can read him and listen him on radio. He is not Mandela or Ghandi anyway.
@13 its basically their version of LOL, albeit used far more often, and is a good indicator of how strangely arrogant argentines are for a nation which has accomplished nothing but failure, atrocity, and mediocrity
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for centuries, UK has an incredible corruption, piratery and queen´s facism, where is the Freedom of expression?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking for the Australia and NEW ZEALAND history until now.
http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/marie-claire/features/reports/article/-/13040207/australia-s-other-stolen-generation/
In Argentina, you have the freedom to say whatnever you want, why not Piratas?
I've just written a nice song about Argentina...
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First Verse
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Peron loved Hitler,
Hitler loved Peron,
Benito loved Hitler,
Peron love Beniton too,
Nestor loved Peron,
Peron was gone before,
They all love expansionism and stealing other people's land.
Chorus
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Oh... they all loved expansionism and stealing other's land,
in taking things that wasn't there's they all played a hand,
They still want to take some things,
that's not their property,
They'll take take take take,
And still be back for tea.
17 Imagine an islander thinking different...........not lasts a minute, he has to go, like all the ones that are living here.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Check out this video on YouTube:
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3lv3ANlCA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Pirates are cool.
Pretend cowboys are not.
@19 Another Argentinian suggesting ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing seems very popular amongst the weasels, sorry, argentinians.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the Argies know ethnic cleansing is illegal, regardless of how much their presidential las malvinas adverts promise it?
@19
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is why nobody trusts a word you say. If you got your grubby hands on the islands your Hitler Youth Group would be the first on the soil ousting the Islanders within weeks. The UK would then get the blame for handing the Islanders to you on a plate. Best we simply keep a hold of them.
@11: Crónica is thousands of times worse than The Sun. I don't think The Sun would publish leaked nude photos of a young model found dead by OD in her bathroom; Crónica has done EXACTLY that recently. It's the cesspit of Argentine journalism. The corrupt kirchnerite administration gives them taxpayer's because they're on their side on a number of issues (the Falklands included). If I was one of those brave freethinkers portrayed in the frontpage I'd be proud to have Crónica among my enemies; I don't want scumbags to like me.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 malen
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd sooner try to imagine you thinking at all.
Jamie Peck, Alec Betts....and...erm....struggling now to name 'all the ones that are living here.'. In fact I think I named them all already.
John Fowler is in the news this week publicly making the case for FI independence. That isn't an opinion you hear very often. He thinks differently to many people and he's still here.
I guess that alternative opinion isn't what you had in mind. Not so keen on free speech now, are you.
That’s why he uses an interpreter .lol..
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer to John Fowler’s title question is “yes”. Again he makes a caricature of Argentina. The fact is that these 19 intellectuals’ position had largely diffusion in Argentine media. Fowler takes as example “Crónica”, a tabloid like “The Sun” in England with less audience however, and even more, an ignored publication in Tierra del Fuego called “El Malvinense”, whose authors consider that those intellectuals deserve being prosecuted under the Penal Code. Reading Fowler’s article, one could even believe that indeed these people will be liable to prison or that the government will prosecute them.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest Fowler to have a look at his own house. The “Falklands Community” looks rather intolerant with people having a different view. When Dr Mike Bingham, “a British biologist dared to connect the starvation of 5 million penguins to commercial fishing that was making the Falklands elite rich, a deadly game of cat and mouse was unleashed. Bungled attempts to deport, imprison and kill Bingham, landed the Falkland Islands Government in the Supreme Court, wich ruled that the Governor, Attorney General, Chief Executive and Executive Council had committed acts of human rights abuse that were ‘morally and constitutionally indefensible’. When the Falklands Government stated in public that they were not going to be stopped by the Supreme Court rulking, Bingham was forced to seek safety in [mainland] Argentina” (http://bookstore.authorhouse.com/Products/SKU-000352886/The-Falklands-Regime.aspx). A society in which there are no political parties, elections look like in Communist regimes where the choice is among candidates sharing the same essential policies (particularly to say “Niet” to negotiations with Argentina), any dissonance (particularly voicing in favour of negotiations with Argentina) would lead to society isolation, has much to learn before giving lessons to the others.
Oh yes John Britain is the home of democracy and free speech.....until george galloway spoke out on national radio against britain keeping the falklands.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was fired immediately.
(Yes I can hear the cheering in here)
@27 do you even know how popular george galloway isn't? Apparently this important fact is beyond you.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One cannot help smiling at a reference to Mahatma Ghandi, one of the most celebrated heroes of the struggle against British colonialism.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but of course, we are all surprised that you guys and CFK has not invited mr galloway [cough cough] to argentina, perhaps he might even become a momber of CFK goverment, now isnt that a loverly and charming thought .
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 I think you'll find Ghandi is slightly more infamous for his love of sleeping next to young virgins (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html).
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike in India where the population predated the arrival of the EIC, the bright-white Argentinian population didn't predate the spanish colonisation. In fact they are the descendents of the very people who colonised what is now Argentina. The British left India.. it's a shame the Argentinian colonists didn't leave Argentina too.
I'll let you get back to thinking about how first nations people's children starve in Argentina, while hypocritically accusing British people of colonising things.
Monty there are much more than those you mention.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0show us here an article in the penguins news of an islander proclaming a pro-argentine point of view, the same way in argentina and in this forum there are people with a pro-british point of view.
e-garcia and whats the problem if the government sends propaganda to those media like crónica, does that unable great mass media to say whatever they like?? they are private media and gains loads of money, dont they??
Why always bring up events in the past, that make people laugh at you,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This man was a member of the British forces in ww1 was he not,
He visited Britain as a guest, was he not,
He was welcomed by the British, was he not,
And in fact did he not say, that he loved the british people, did he not,
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And was he not SHOT DEAD by an Indian, one of his very own people, was he not,
And was this man a Hindu, yes he was,
So please, don’t try to use an innocent man, to spread your anti British rhetoric,
At least he did not throw innocent nuns out of helicopters, [did they not ]
malen ?
Oh how boring. Nobody has been 'exclamation marked' to death yet. Not even a 'death by a thousand block capitals'?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will pop back in the morning then.
26 Marcelo Kohen
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who wrote 'The Falklands Regime'?It wasn't Mr Fake PhD Bingham himself was it?
The FIG had four perfectly legal reasons to deport Bingham, and one that wasn't legal, as you would know yourself if you bothered to read the ruling instead of Bingham's fantasy story. That's why he left; he would have been legally deported anyway.
As for our political system, Jamie Peck stood for council himself, didn't he? And he didn't get many votes.
What a bunch of arrogant narcissists you are ( you too Malen). The reason people don't stand for election advocating negotiations with Argentina is because no-one would vote for them. That's assuming you could find anyone to stand that thought that in the first place.
There's no conspiracy. No coercion. No 'Communist regime'. We just loathe you.
You have tried your utmost to make us hate you and it has worked. Well done. Did you really think that you could try to wreck our economy and it would make us want to negotiate? ARE YOU COMPLETELY MAD?
@32: The problem is the money comes from the taxes I PAY, that's the problem. I despise Crónica, Paja/12, Tiempo, El Argentino, 6-7-Rocho and ALL kirchnerist propaganda media. I don't want a single cent from my taxes going to those scumbags, yet the government FORCES me to support them financially.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Malen, I want to be clear about what you're saying. The plan is for Argentina to use 3 weekly Aerolingus Belgrano Airlines flights to pick up Falkland Islanders, drug them with sodium penthanol in their foul arg-food and then drop the Falkland Islanders into the sea quicker than you can say Léonie Duquet. Once the argentinians have got the Hitler Youth 'Le Camping' to finish off the other people and then turn the Falklands into a place like in KFCs advert.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that what your plan is?
you have always hate us monty. when di tella was friendly it was the same. its not all problem of Argentina.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have always hate us Monty
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0We cant speak for Monty personally, but to be absolutely fair,
Its not him or the islanders or even the British, that hate you Argentineans,
First of its your selves that hate yourselves,
2ndly, it is Argentina who hates the islanders and the British,
And it is the argentines, [only some] who are turning the islanders and British, again yourselves, not him or us,-- But you,
You started it,, then you finished it, before someone else does the job .
.
38 malen
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Di Tella still wanted to steal our country. The only difference was that he had a smile on his face whilst he was doing it.
There is absolutely nothing you can do that will make what you want acceptable to Falkland Islanders. Nice or nasty,it makes no difference. That is completely reasonable. We are not Argentines, we have nothing in common with you, and we don't want to be part of Argentina.
You can either accept that or not. It is your problem.
I would suggest you stop making excuses about repression of free speech and political freedom, accept the truth, and move on. There is no secret part of Falkland society longing for talks with Argentina.
well the stealers there are you. whether you accepted or not its your problem. so now move on.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just saw the English colonial Governor Haywood and the other Englishman Dick Sawle in Argentinean television interview, I felt sorry for them, they look so out of place and time, not to mention that they are so far away from their country in Europe.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders talk about freedom but there is a law in Malvinas that never alow islanders to talk against the government, is it freedom?
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Monty69
Mar 13th, 2012 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Di Tella still wanted to steal our country”
Oh! Wait a minute there is not country called Falkland/Malvinas lying again?
@43 show us a link to the law.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@42 That's nice, but their territory is the Falklands, and it's creeping closer and closer to being a country, just like the UN asks.
@44 You're right, there is nowhere called Malvinas. There is a place called the Falklands.
42 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course they looked out of place- they were in Argentina you numpty. They don't look out of place here.
43 pepegalleta
There is no such law. People talk against the government all the time. You are misinformed.
44 DanyBerger
I never said there was a country called 'Falklands/ Malvinas'.
@46 There is a proto-country called the Falkand Islands. It's in the Atlantic region, miles and miles away from Argentina. I'm sure they'll still wait to get their greedy little hands on it though... oh wait..
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are completely right, malen.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0We hate you.
We consider you, lying, thieving, corrupt scumbags.
Add to that, whinning, whinging, moaning, complaining, sneaky, untrustworthy, devious, despicable people.
Understand now, why we don't want anything to do with you?
Understand now, why there will be no negotiations on sovereignty?
After all that Argentina has done, did you think that we would LOVE you?
Get real.
@48 They don't want your love. I don't think their plan is to have anything to do with the Falklanders, judging from KFC's tv advert.. Because of their colonist mentality, they simply want the land and for you folks to disappear somewhere, just like the first nations people and those french nuns. Their hypocritical talk of no colonialism in South America is just not a reflection of reality.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The best thing you can do in the Falklands is simply avoid having to deal with them and keeping a suitable military deterrent to prevent their greedy hands getting itchy.
FYI. They're not allowed to negotiate on sovereignty anyways, stops any negotiations happending... ever.
48 lsolde
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty clear and to the point I think!!
Do you remember “spitting Image”?
Do you remember the song “I've never met a nice South African”?
You could quite easily ( very easily in fact ) swap the words for “trustworthy Argentinian” couldn't you?
#42
Mar 13th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please get it right. They represent the UK not England. The UK consists of England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland. The English are more reserved and polite which probably accounts for what you see as being out of place and time. They are used to dealing with adults - not a shower of whingeing juveniles. As a Scot, whose ancestors fought against the English for centuries, we would close ranks with the rest of the country and“ take you on” - if that's what you want The bulk of the UK population back the Falklanders but dissent is permitted. Yes, I would agree that the Sun is a crap newspaper but I am sure that your country has papers equally bad.
The BBC allow discussions on the subject with each side being allowed to express their point of view. Do the Argentine TV channels allow the same ?
As an aside, I have been watching the latest type 45 Destroyer on it's sea trials on the Clyde - very impressive . We could always send this one down as well to let you have a look..
Sorry for the tone of this posting , I felt that I am permitted the occasional rant to our Argentinian brothers----------SOLIDARIDAD HERMANOS !
Isolde. What's up? Your comments here look shockingly xenophobic. You can't judge an entire country on the basis of a sovereignity claim and/or some government's misguided policies. Same goes for GreekYoghurt. Lighten up!!
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a newcomer... Do you live in the islands?
46 Monty69 I know they were in Argentina, the interview was in Malvinas.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These two englishman look like fools asking for self determination in Argentinean TV yesterday.
Well, the Malvinists are Fascists, so something like that article is not a surprise. If you say that the Falklands are British they will call you a traitor, a sepoy and many other boring nicknames.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 41 You are scum.
@ 52 Oh my God, I'm in schock! hahaha She has the right to be xenophobic. Who are you trying to convince of your lies bastard? You're not good people, no matter how hard you try to look like you are good people. You are a Malvinists, you are sh*t. No vas a engañar a nadie, facho pedorro, te vas a quedar sin Cristina, sin Malvinas y hasta posiblemente sin Argentina.
“I'm a newcomer” :)
@ 51 The Argentine TV channels can't do it, because a group of Malvinists will go there and destroy everything calling you a traitor, a sepoy etc etc etc.
Monty69
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a guy on tv saying that the law exist, actually he suffered the exilio becouse a claim that he did about the reduction in 5.000.000 penguins since all the 6 years ago . Are yiu from the islands?, can yiu tell the truth about the guy from the islands who is in Bs As telling everybody that he abd his Argentinian wife left the islands becouse of her oregnancy, Island government did not autorised to get healt care cos she was from Argentina?
please tell ne about that incident, I wan t to hear from an islander what happend
thank you to every one than can give me an explenation about it
Can I ask a question without getting ripped to pieces for it?
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is probably the wrong place to do but here goes anyway.
In the age of super, long haul flights. why are the falkland Islands dependant on the air bridge to Argentina?
Surely, Port Stanley / Mount Pleasent airstrip can handle aircraft from Mexico or southern Africa, Chile or somewhere, anywhere that is not Argentina-land.
1 flight a week is hardly ground breaking is it? I'm sure that you could even set up 1 flight a week from Gatwick or Heathrow. They could refuel in South Africa or Ascention Island.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95189/politics-is-one-of-the-best-places-for-youth-cfk
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You literally couldnt make this up. A President praising the modern day Hitler Youth League.
Just emphasises once more what a sinister and horrible political regime there currently is in RG Land.
@ 56 This has been explained by others many times already.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcelo Kohen - You are Argentine and seem quite intelligent, so I have Two Questions for you...
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) Do you think the current treatment of the Islanders is fair?
b) Do you believe Argentina will gain sovereignty of the Falklands in the future? if so how?
Thanks for your time in advance
@ 59 He's a fake Marcelo Kohen, we should tell the real Marcelo Kohen that someone is using his name.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 26 Write down your suggestions and shove them up your *rse. ¿Entendiste pajerito? ¿Fachito pedorrito?
@54
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Easy, xbarilox... I'm not a malvinist. And I'm not trying to convince anybody. Read well. :)
I wondered when I first came on to MercoPress why everything seemed to be repeated over and over again to the Argies.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from the obvious answer (they are stupid or cannot grasp the facts) I am still waiting.
56 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands is not dependent on any air link to Argentina. Our air link is with Punta Arenas- it only stops in Argentina once a month and only does that because of the 1999 Agreement.
We also have two links with the UK, one direct and one via Ascension Island.
We don't want to lose our link with South America. It woudn't be the end of the world if we did- plan B is for a link to Miami. That's why the Argentines haven't cut our link with SA yet. The Falkland Islands would then start to look like a good alternative to Ushuaia again.
I would love to see that happen, and build another couple of hotels whilst we're at it. It's time.
63 Uk and Malvinas people can do it but can t touch the Argentina air space, think if something bud happen and I don t wish to happen like a tzunami islanders will need humanitarian help from Argentina, then what islanders ate gonna say about Argentina? actually we can take the option to close ower frontier to islanders.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can leave islanders died after all the bullshit islanders talk about Argentina.
56 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 13th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Currently, the Malvinas’ 3000 or so permanent residents(a few hundred) can only reach the South American mainland through a weekly flight to Punta Arenas, Chile, which must cross over Argentine airspace on its way to Chile.
@ 61 You are scum, who cares anyway. I'm just waiting for a civil war so Argentina finally will be history, that's all. En menos de una década Argentina va a ser solamente un mal recuerdo, es sólo cuestión de tiempo, vos easy, paciencia :)
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 64 You can't spell or write properly.
@ 65 César Milstein left Argentina and nationalized British for a reason, because of people like you. He was smart, but you Peronists are monkeys for life :)
#65
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect. The most obvious, quickest route is over Argentina. However, by avoiding Argentinian airspace by flying South and then turning North into Chilean airspace it could be done. I make the distance as approx. 1000 miles (1600km). The runway at Punta Arenas is 9,153 feet long which is large enough to take modern wide bodied jets and well within the range of nearly all modern passenger aircraft including emergency fuel for diversions. The LAN Airbus 320-200 has a range of 3000 miles !
Yes, it would be more inconvenient and cost more but it would be feasible.
I can remember when Spain closed its airspace to Gibraltar flights. All the airlines did was to fly parallel to the Spanish coast from the UK and come in over Gib. airspace at the Straits of Gibraltar. No problema.
Of course, I forgot. Argentina probably claims all the airspace to the South Pole.
66XBarilox we can talk in hebreo if you know and understand, you said that I can write properly but you know what, with my poor english I have here in US my own company dealing with the biggest corporations like Walmart, I am sure I have a better standart life abd more money than you.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then I din t care whT you said to mee, I am better than you, I make in a minth what yku make in a year. Go ahead with your poor life, I take my cacations in Haway and Urope, you may be go to mar del plata or if you are in the islands may be you take your hollydays in the island or antartica.
Till you grow and be an entroeneur like me please, learn and shut up.
After all you are a poor stupid guy REally poor compared with me.
Do you have a mayor?, do you have an MBA?, do you have a house in hawai?, do you have a house in California beach?, I don t think soo, I think you have a small dirty house and a crapy poor life.
@ 10 Conqueror
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When a mob from a hostile country wave Argentine flags and sing their National Anthem on your home ground, at the same time making sure the TV cameras get a good angle, it comes across as threatening and insulting. I have no idea who is co-ordinating it - and it is a co-ordinated effort - and if it isn't illegal it should be. I don't think that demonstrating back at them would be productive, although there was a fantastic turnout for a peaceful rally a couple of weeks ago.
55 pepegalleta
I used to know Mike Bingham quite well. His IQ is probably off the scale but he began to use it to manipulate people and to create elaborate acts of revenge. He was a good guy once but don't believe everything he says.
64 pepegalleta
“if something bud happen and I don t wish to happen like a tzunami islanders will need humanitarian help from Argentina”
Frankly, dear boy, I nearly LMAO. Wouldn't you just love to save us, and us be so eternally grateful? You could give us little tents in Patagonia and send volunteers to indoctrinate us in the Argentine way. I think I would rather drown.
@ 68 Dear God, do you have an MBA? Do you even have an IQ?
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's vacations, not cacations, loser. Tus vacaciones realmente deben ser caca.
@66 Hahaha. Seré paciente :)
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 68 Pepe
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0be careful what you write on for not to be “” target“”as a member of a minority group.
US is a place there has high tension in between ethnic groups
Don't forget “” Food Stamp “” participation 2007-- 26 millions ..but in 2012 reached to 50 millions people.
(69) Honoria (My Jethro friend ;-)
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy to finally hear a Kelper say a good word about Dr. Bingham....
Usually, when one “creates elaborate acts of revenge” is because there is something to avenge….
About all that Argies in town….
Stiff upper lip, lass!
It’s not worst than any group of British football supporters on tour…..
Yours…..
El Think.
69 honoria
Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think his IQ was nowhere near as high as he thought it was. Otherwise he would have channeled his formidable intellect into doing some decent science rather that claiming the police planted porn under his bed.
I can't help noticing he's strangely silent on the current record high numbers of Gentoo penguins in the islands. So much for 'Lester the starving penguin chick', a touching tale he wrote for the Penguin News. My prediction is that he'll wait for the population to crash, as it surely will, and then blame it on fishing. Remember, you heard it here first.
73 Think
The only thing he is avenging is not having his genius recognised by the very people he was trying to save. We have all lived and prospered and so have the penguins. How ungrateful.
Some unappreciated saviours might have the good grace to take themselves off and.....well, whatever. He chooses to whinge on Argentine TV. To each his own.
Mike was forced to flee Malvinas to escape political corruption and death threats, Lewis know that very well.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The irony is that Lewis(Clifton)has a record of corruption now.
“Mike_Bingham_working_with_penguins.VOB”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOeqFlnn0JU
I used to take on board what Mike was saying about the penguins until it all got too weird. Something just did not add up and faking his university degree was the end for me. I hope he is happy where he is now although I doubt it.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 Sorry but I am a US citizen, plus I don t need any government help, I pay my taxes and my paid taxes are big. When I start here I did it with almist 0 money, now I have my house in one of the most expensive city in US, Laguna Beach and thank god I have a very good economic standart.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are in a very taft time here but I am ok, can be better but still in good economic shape, not to menttion that all my family is in a good shape, I have sisters and brothers in Europa too with a very good economic standart, actually working for miltinationals corporations that like Argentinian brains to do things that Europeans can t do, there is a reason for this corporations to bring brains from Argentina to do business in Europa, may be there is not enough people with skills that europeans doesn t have.
That is way most of the islanders make me laugh, we the Argentinians can have a good life and excellent incomes, living with comfort and the islanders life I am sure sucks, cold weather, with out the last technogy, not even fresh food.
I will never think to have my life in thise islands, nothing good to be there, people in those islands are less than nothing to me, may be islanders doesn t have the guts to face the real world, a person have to be insane to choise to be there. Only losers can be there, real smart people will never think to be there, but for the people in the islands that pace is the only place to be, as I told you, only losers can be there.
Nobody with a sane brain can be there, to me is a waist of time.
The island government are all lossers just selling authorizations for fishering and may be oil, what this losers thinks is the oil will make the islands rich, Ja ja ja, UK will charge islanders for deffence leaving the islanders with nothing, I will be the first laughing when that happen.
Islanders have a big bill to pay to the queen for all the deffence bill, islanders ate very naive if thinks that UK will not charge for all the money invested in milytar.
@77 Pepegalleta, can you please be consistent...
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sorry but I am a US citizen”
Okay so you're an american. got that.
“now I have my house in one of the most expensive city in US, Laguna Beach and thank god I have a very good economic standart.”, so you're living in the USA. Got that. (I don't know what a standart is, your english is terrible)
“we the Argentinians can have a good life and excellent incomes, living with comfort”
Okay, so NOW you're suddenly an argentinian, living in argentina.
“actually working for miltinationals corporations that like Argentinian brains to do things that Europeans can t do, there is a reason for this corporations to bring brains from Argentina to do business in Europa, may be there is not enough people with skills that europeans doesn t have.”
Okay, now you're talking utter nonsense. I know London has very few argentinians. (6000 in UK, 2001 Census).
So one minute you're in the USA living a nice life with bad english, and the next minute you're an argentinian ranting on about argentinians doing jobs europeans cannot do. Clearly you're an inconsistent liar, therefore likely to be argentinian in argentina because that's their modus operandi.
Well done.
78 Ja Ja ja,
Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leaving aside the obsession of John Fowler with the newspaper “El Malvinense”...
Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Fowler does not like to be told the truth: The declaration of the “intellectuals” who are in favor of self-determination of the islanders, clearly violates the National Constitution of Argentina and the Law.
Mr. Fowler also passed over as insults and slander are all British expressed for the return of the islands to Argentina. Journalists and British artists are accused of “traitors” by islanders and British veterans.
MR. FOWLER WATCH “THE STRAW IN THE EYE OF OTHERS AND NOT THE BEAM IN OWN EYE.”
@80: “The declaration of the intellectuals who are in favor of self-determination of the islanders, clearly violates the National Constitution of Argentina and the Law.”
Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. No constitutional article or law was broken with that declaration. If you believe otherwise, go ahead and try to sue them for treason.
@81: I'm not to educate anyone, take the time to read the criminal code and constitution.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0One thing that John Fowler also ignored...they could headline in the “penguin news”: Freedom of expression in Malvinas Islands ?
the Kelper he obtained his Argentine DNI, denounced threats
“I received messages that warn me that if I return to the Islands, shoot me,” said James Peck to The Times.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1383040-denuncio-amenazas-el-malvinense-que-tramito-su-dni[
MR. FOWLER WATCH “THE STRAW IN THE EYE OF OTHERS AND NOT THE BEAM IN OWN EYE.”
82 Hi I want to get more info about Peck wife, it id truth that the islands autorities denied healtcare to her ?, ot is teuth?
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@83 it's teeth.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 081 and 82
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Give James Peck time and he will shit in his new nest just like he did in his old. This is in no way a political decision that Mr Peck has made. He is simply looking out for his own and getting what he can get for his family. Well at least the family he didn't dump.
About health care. What health care is available to citizens in Argentina?
@85 Leeches?
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 087 Greek
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well at least there'd be no shortage of them.
Seriously though. Does Argentina have any sort of public health system or is it all private insurance or die? Just wondering.
@85 Seriously leeches?
Mar 14th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I typically think they all go to Chile or Brazil or some other non-corrupt country. In Argentina you're probably going to have the doctor ask you if you want to pay him some extra money so he doesn't accidentally slip with the knife. If we outsiders cannot trust argentinians, they're not going to be able to trust each other.
You could go to the British Hospital in BA. I've personally never had to go there, but I guess the doctors might be British. Better leeches.
83 pepegalleta
Mar 14th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0She wasn't his wife. He already had a wife and child living in the islands.
Healthcare is free to anyone from the UK, and anyone with FI status or a residence (or work permit, I think- the rules may have changed about this). Everyone else has to pay and should take out adequate insurance. The rules are quite clear.
88 GreekYoghurt
Mar 14th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I posted 2 months ago, my Argentine neighbour and all his extended family who live in BA, will ONLY use The British Hospital. His 89 year old mother is really well looked after there.
My neighbour, his wife and ESPECIALLY his mother are very unhappy with this Falklands (there are no Malvinas) nonsense and wish things were how they used to be. He reckons the people we see 'demonstrating' are definitely being paid by CFK and are not representative of the mass of the people.
@82: “I'm not to educate anyone, take the time to read the criminal code and constitution.”
Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. I don't have to read anything. You made the absurd claim that this document violates the constitution so the burden of proof is upon YOU, not me. The document is NOT a law and was not written by lawmakers (although Fernando Iglesias was one until last year) so it's ridiculous to label it as unconstitutional. The Constitution also references God in the preamble and a couple of articles. Since I'm an outspoken militant atheist by your logic I must be violating it, too. I repeat: If you really think these people are breaking the law go ahead and DENOUNCE them to a judge, or shut the hell up. You talk the talk. Do you walk the walk?
@80 JPL
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I understand, these “intellectuals” are not proposing to drop the sovereignity claim, they're just concerned about how the islanders see us; they argue that the frozen relationships between Arg and the islanders deem any negotiation almost impossible. Yeah, they address self-determination, which is only fair since it's practically impossible to overlook the issue, but they aren't actually violating any law.
Moreover, the constitution disposition is more of a guideine for government's policies, but I wouldn't understand that any common argentine citizen which thinks otherwise should be prosecuted. If it's so, then f**k it.
Still, I think Fowler's clearly overreacting here. The intellectual's argument was widely spread in the news here and all of them are still around, unthreatened and saying whatever they wish to.
The Falklands are British?
Mar 14th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, in your dreams. The Falkland Islands are recognized internationally as disputed territory. Only the British say. 10 Resolutions adopted by the international community who claim to disputed territory, which are two countries which should resolve this dispute, which include Argentina and the United Kingdom and nobody else.
#93
Mar 14th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha Ha. In your dreams. The bottom line is that the Argentinians want the islands, they can jump up and down, squeal, cry, rant but they are not going to get them.
@93: The UN resolutions you are referring to are NOT binding.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0malvinas belong to Argentina
Mar 14th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The REAL bottom line is that the only “good” argie is a dead argie. “Good” argies can attempt to obtain an exclusion from this class of untermensch. In order to be excluded from the “future dead” class of argie untermensch, you need to post truthful comments about Falklanders and equally truthful comments about the argie mafia (government), the argie murderers (military and police) and argie crapheads (people). The crapheads that keep voting for the mafia and enabling the murderers. Results will be posted in successive articles starting on March 15th.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For instance, based on this article, “pepegalleta” is leading the contest for inclusion in the “future dead” category. Followed, in order, by “malen”, “Marcus Alejandro”, “DanyBerger”, ”Marcelo Kohen (not)“, ”JPL“, ”Searinox“, ”Kipling“, ”dreyfoss“, ”McClick“, ”Think“ and ”Legionario”. Anybody not mentioned so far are either British, Falklander, intelligent or good argie/south american.
93 Legionario
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not just in our dreams. We're living here as British citizens with British passports, driving British cars, eating British food, living in British housing and watching British TV. I just asked my wife and kids to pinch me and it hurt. It seems I wasn't dreaming.
You're the ones who are dreaming.
Chuckle chuckle.
@73 Think
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like the comparison to football hooligans. But having given their actions some thought, I have realised it was a rather tame effort. In summary, as much as your Argentine hooligans offend us, they are still the second XII compared to British hooligans. Send some better ones next time !
96 No they dont- only for a brief period about 1832-1833 and for 74 days in 1982. Other than that they have been British Territory since first landing and claim by a British person in 1695.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Other questions you have raised. Peck,s wife/partner was not legible for free healthcare due to the short period she had been resident - this was explained to both of them well ahead.
Healthcare is free to all residents and those who arrive holding work permits for longer than 6 months. That is if you have say a 2 yr permit and arrive, then on day 2 you can receive health care if needed. If you are only here for 180 days or less - then you cannot enter and work/live unless you have appropriate health insurance cover- sufficient also to cover aeromed evacuation costs. Nationality is irrelevant to this.
Folks here have a good standard of life and living and incomes. We grow quite a bit of our fresh food - The islands are self sufficient most of the year in all salads for example and even sell these products to cruise ships as the quality in Ushuaia is poor.
Contrary to what you think we do have everyday things like Central heating,Satellite TV, Ipods,Iphones and all the rest of modern gizmos - and probably one of the worlds highest online computer ownership per head of population. As well as being the world leader in % of national electric power from renewable energy.
100 to me there is not an excuse what you told me to don t give any healt care to Peck wife or fiance, people from Paraguay, Bolivia, Chile and more countries come to Argentina to get free healtcare, how the island government can dinied healtcare?, to me sounds like the Arizona and Alabama law and I don t share the idea I don t understand how people can denied and condem others becouse of papers.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0If anybody from the islands need some kind of healtcare Argentina will never denied, even with all the issue with malvinas.
@ ChrisR
Mar 15th, 2012 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again with your crap?
If you have ever went to the British Hospital you sure will realise quickly that the only British thing there is the name. Each community that have emigrated to Argentina I think has one type of hospital, Italian , German, Israelita, French, Spanish, etc, etc
Part of the medical stuff in HB all argies.
Dr. Osvaldo Manuale, Dr. Juan Humphreys, Dr. Horacio Avaca, Dr. Jorge E Ubaldini, Dr. Luis Petracchi, Dr. Emiliano Loncharich, Herminio Olivieri, Dr. Eduardo Bullorsky, Dr. Hernán Trimarchi, Dr. Christian Nozieres, Dr. Vicente Campolo, Dr. Fernando Lombi, Dr. Hernán Mendoza, Dr. Elías Soloaga, Dr. Pablo Young, Dra. Vanesa Pomeranz, Dr. Mariano Forrester, Dr. Horacio Pereyra, Dr. Julio Chertcoff, Dr. Jorge Ubaldini....
And all hospital are good for some medical speciality like cardiology, gastroenterology, Hepatology, Traumatology, etc, etc.
Don’t worry, I will search for a good Hospital in Psychiatry in BA for you so you can get free treatment for your Schizoid and mental problems. Sure your NHS will not covers you in Uruguay.
Mad psychotic bitch is the best term for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina!
Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Others around Cristina Kirchner that are also crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Steve at 59.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O'Kohen did not honour your questions, so I will.
The answer to both is NO.
#94
Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, Ha, why not let them sleep in peace and are aware of what makes Argentina in international forums, the UNASUR, MERCOSUR, etc.. Cameron was frightened by something and went for the EU to demand that Argentina would replace British goods by other countries that are on the Argentine side. For some worried that the Mercosur partners and associates do not recognize the flag of fantasy and forbade them to dock in their ports. Missing that they canceled the flights from the mainland to the Falklands and to repeal the agreements that were signed with the British to drown more.
Argentina has the right to let or not flight in his airspace, but it is a good idea for uk to help with money and gas to make the lan flights go to malvinas trough the very south bia.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More money to invest in the islands, one day taxpayers are gonna become tired to pay and support the islanders.
That dY is coming, financial world crisis will be worst this year and Uk will need to spend more money in deffence and lan flights. To Argentina that is not a problem but will aee what British people will say about it
(99) Honoria....
Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is it with you, Malvinas Women?
First that young Isolde Squaterette (She ain’t even a Belonger) getting all besotted with an old Argie!
Then that more mature Monty96 Kelperette, always doing her best to set her fine, over-average intellect aside and forcing herself to misinterpret everything I say.
And now you, my Jethro friend Honoria, utterly misreading my texts!
Please be so kind to read my post (73) again.
I NEVER wrote ”Hooligans”.
I wrote ”Supporters” .
Quite a different thing!
@104: “Steve at 59.O'Kohen did not honour your questions, so I will.”
Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah. Me too.
1) No. Hell no. A thousand times NO. The Falklanders must be left alone to rule their islands and exploit their resources as they see fit, period.
2) Not unless the Falklanders want it, and they clearly said NO. End of story. Too bad our fascist and corrupt government don't get it.
108 can you tell me what made Argentina a fascist country, becouse you sounds like you have strong evidence about it.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please be explicit about it, I think you know very well what facsist bases are.
If I am not wrong British was worst than Franco.
One of the countries that fuck off the imperialism was Israel with the exodus, What I think is that you don t have an idea what Facismo is.
I hope Argentina learn from Israel how to fuck british arguments.
Do you remember India?, what british government did there?, do you know why US fuck up British government long time ago?, you have to read history to discuss with us about it.
Did you read about all the shitt that britain did in several countries, do you know that Argentina in 1810 fought against the british government, do you know who financed the natives exterminion in Patagonia?, I don t think you are ready to discuss with us about imperialismo.
I think you forgot your history, You talk becouse is free.
Read, be involve in your history and then may be you ll be ready to talk with us.
What happend with Scotland and Irish people?, you talk like a kid knowing nothing about history.
Why everybody now say that Malvinas belong to Argentina?, Why England look for the shit of pinochet support, a guy who kill a lot of people just to think different, I saw a video with the shit of margaret Tshit saying thank you to a criminal like pinochet. That make you glad and honorable ?
Everybody think Uk is the worst of the world, a history of criminals, actually the shit of Margaret T needs a slow and very paifull dead, a very painfull one, she kills a lot of british and argentinians, she should be in prission , lastima me dan all the stupid people that give honors to a shit like her.
Cameron will pay the price for what he is doing, just give some time.
Plus what make me laugh is the tremendus ammount of money that UK is wasting just to protect 3000 idiots.
Hope today CFK stop the flights to malvinas, it will make more expensive for tax
98 The Falklands are British (#)
Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the banner of Fantasy Island is not recognized in Latin America, South America had no luck.
Chuckle chuckle.
@109: “can you tell me what made Argentina a fascist country, becouse you sounds like you have strong evidence about it.”
Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK. Since you asked so nicely:
http://quenotepisen.net/2010/11/fascismo-inconsciente/
@109pepegalleta,
Mar 16th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe, why do you call us idiots?
@107Think,
l think that you're kidding yourself a bit my dear Thinkus.♥
Hitler vs Cristina Kirchner
Mar 16th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcyXnlVNMSQ&skipcontrinter=1
112 Sorry , it just to all the people to talk bullshit about Argaret T, Pinochet and the Chileans who protect Pinichet shit doctrina
Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no government in Malvinas, only colonial pirates who have great big hand of Britain in their backsides.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0They must be removed from these islands, which belong to Argentina even before Argentina exist, it was taken from them. This and also by grace of God and Papal Bull of 1496!
In 1982 we have a much more macho government than today, we had a man in charge and no ordinary man, he was a General, from Italy, same country my grandparents came from, fleeing from British and American Imperialists after WW2 (it would take several generations and Berlusconi to put right what they did to Italy).
General Galtieri did not take no for an answer, he sent a great military force with special forces under command of our counter terrorist officers like Captain Alfredo Astiz, who is now in prison and should be freed!
These were the men who removed 50,000 left wing terrorists from our streets and delivered them into the Atlantic. We are proud that they had the guts to do what was necessary.
But today I listen to the BBC and it seems there are more left wing in our nation. I am in The Bahamas at the moment working in hotel so out of touch with my country. It seems all the strong people leave and only weak left remain.
But still there are veterans prepared to attack the police for medals for Malvinas War as they protected Patagonia from a British invasion, they deserve these medals, Police should not keep them from them.
Pirates and Anglos i hate all of you. Even here in the Bahama, have to put up with your Royal family, Prince Harry and the descendants of your Caribbean pirates some of which now Mullatos but others prefer stay white. I myself do not like. Or the children of British colonial pirates!
GO HOME BEFORE WE SEND YOU TO YOUR HOMES.
@115
Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fascism alive and well it seems, grandad would be proud, do not make threats you can not follow up, unless you want to follow grandads example and run away to a fascist safe haven like he did. Oh sorry, there is only one! it's called Argentina.
Matt Groening, “The Malvinas are argentines”
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/480965/Politica/El-creador-Los-Simpson-afirma-Malvinas-son-argentinas.html
Morrissey, The Malvinas are argentinas
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/480965/Politica/El-creador-Los-Simpson-afirma-Malvinas-son-argentinas.html
Sean Penn, The Malvinas are argentines
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/480965/Politica/El-creador-Los-Simpson-afirma-Malvinas-son-argentinas.html
Roger Waters, The Malvinas are argentines
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/480965/Politica/El-creador-Los-Simpson-afirma-Malvinas-son-argentinas.html
Sabina, The Malvinas are argentines
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/480965/Politica/El-creador-Los-Simpson-afirma-Malvinas-son-argentinas.html
Serrat, The Malvinas are argentines
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/480965/Politica/El-creador-Los-Simpson-afirma-Malvinas-son-argentinas.html
Everyone has right to express whatever they like, about any question. Beside nobody would take seriously any penal accusation to those intellectuals. I said in another comment that i respect their opinions, but i dont agree on them in absolut. Firstly mr fawler, and all the rest of the public opinion should know what's behind that so called alternative view for malvinas, i have always thought that it's unthinkable the fact that a group of intelectuals where jurists are included too, ignore the fact that the u. n never invoked in none of the resolutions, the right to self determination for the islanders, beside, they only criticise the policy of our government respecting the malvinas-falkland cause, but they dont saya aword regarding the rejection by british government , to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most international comunity signalize. If they had the true conviction about the fact that self determination is applicable for the islanders, they would have proposed argentina, to propose the u. k. to take the case to the i. c. j, however they didn't mention absolutly anything about that, i read that document, and most it, is just a hard critic to the policy of our goverment.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For being honest, i dont believe them anything, i really think that they are just using this cause, in order to keep on doing the tipical mediocre anti kirchnerisem which doesn't have any solid base. Anyway it's a total lack of respect to call them lackeys, they have right to think whatever they want, and we have right to believe them or not.
On the other hand, if any of you, including mr fawler, wants to know about the state of the freedon of press in argentina, and in all the rest of the world, i suggest to you to search on line, the map of, reporters with out borders, it's a non government organization which takes care about informing the state of the freedon of press in the whole world, you'll see there that arg. has a good note.
#147
Mar 17th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Homer Simpson thinks that the Falklands belong to Argentina. What's his opinion on S. Georgia, Sandwich Islands and British Antarctic Territory, or is his brain befuddled with Duff beer.
For a definitive answer, we should ask Shrek or Donkey - but not Puss in Boots as he is Spanish and would be biased.
Why don't we ask Donald Duck & Mickey Mouse, while we're at it? lol
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This Fowler guy is ridiculous! If there is some place without freedom of expression, that's Malvinas Islands run by those pirates!
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina, anyone can talk and express their view on anything, that's why La Nación, Clarin, Perfil are all the time criticizing the government, something the journalists from “The Pinguing's News” can't do because of obvious reasons. People also can say whatever they want here. All the morons who sides with the pirates here (in MercoPress) that call themselves “argentines” are the same who everyday talk against the governmet in argentine media. So, stop talking bullshit Fowler and others non-human beings from the islands (both, Malvinas and Britain).
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the other Argentina crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
If you wants to say something against the island government you are out of the islands.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are not freedom in the islands.
There is freedom for us, but not for you.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 119 Clyde15
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 120 lsolde
There is documentation that proves that over time
40 families dispersed Falklands continental Argentina and whose descendants far outweigh a thousand Argentine Falklands. They are forbidden to settle or reside temporarily in the islands or have real estate or business interests in his native country he or his immediate family, originating in the Falklands.
Some islanders said they were pertenencen Falkland Islands to Argentina.
Yolanda Bertrand Bertrand 4th generation in the Falklands, says that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
Alexander Betts Betts 4th generation in the Falklands, says that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
Paul Betts, says that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
Jennifer Reid, says that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
Derek Rozee, says that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
James Peck, said that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
The rest of the Falklanders disagree.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0124 fteedom in the islands?, I don t think so and how several people here acussed Argentina about freedom?, there is a law in the island that prevent anybody to say something against Malvinas government. That mean freedom?, may be for you but not for the redt of the world.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus don t you feel ashamed of ylur government, denied healtcare to a woman?, she was pregnant, it is ashamed what your government did, if you are not ashamed of that unhuman act I feel sorry for you, becouse your vdlues and moral are just not there doesent exist. I all ready told you that Argentina provide healtcare, education and even state support for aliens in Argentina, people from Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Brasil, Paraguay snd centro America come to Argentina to work and the country help this people.
You have to feel ashamed about your government, Peck wife, fiance or whow you want to name her did not get any healtcare
ASHAMED
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