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UK minister in Chile accuses Argentina of economic blockade to the Falklands
United Kingdom’s Foreign Office Minister Jeremy Browne on a two-day visit to Chile criticized what he called the “economic blockade” to the Falklands Islands by saying it “wasn’t right” and again reaffirmed the right of self determination for the Islanders. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat happened to his eye patch and scimitar? Did he have to put them aside for the photo op?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2005/09/03/us-support-to-uk-in-falklands-war-was-decisive
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron, return the Malvinas Islands to Argentina and the story , bully Pirate!!!
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its impossible to return the islands to the Argie Bargies as it was never theirs in the first place.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Bully Pirate! wow that's big.
Interesting a Maori living in Argentina!
@3 I cannot see the link between piracy and Argentinian Nazi-German style expansionism, based upon normal definitions. Can you explain the link please?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are very patient persons.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can wait the comments about on my @ 2 link in a long period.
@2 Yes, it meant we didn't have to attack the Argentine mainland ;)
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 7
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But well known that the Russians' Sonar Listening Capacity has more ability and developed than the Westerners have.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/uk-argentina-fernandez-poll-idUKBRE82B03920120312
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like the Falklands distraction isn't fooling anyone in RG land.
4 Viva las Malvinas,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kia ora, Haere Maito aotearoa,
Yes, It is very very interesting langauge and culture,I advise you to read a bit about the Maori history, and as the English killed the poor Maoris in their conquest, the Treaty of Waitangi, Te papa musem, etc...enjoy!!!
@10 Urm... what's that got to do with anything? You're trying to hide the guilt of the fact you genocided all of your first nations people, Argie?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have killed people of all over the world gorkyyoghurttttttttttttttttt in number and continents you are best at massacres
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody can get compared with you
11 yoghurt
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is only to learn a bit moris culture and as the English conquered the Maoris, you should read and see his bloody conquest as it was!
@ 10 kiwi
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aoetearoa.....Kiaora ...!
I am certain you know the British massacres in Australia which are
Fremontle-1830.....Convincing Ground 1833/34.....Waterloo Creek 1838.....Coniston 1928........
Oh this IS entertaining.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if we talk about all the massacres would end up not. you think?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The genocide of indigenous peoples
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in the formation of the Argentine
Nation-State
HE´CTOR HUGO TRINCHERO
http://www.gertzresslerhigh.org/ourpages/auto/2009/1/28/37160780/Argentina.pdf
I don't want to talk about the India History today.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These threads almost always degenerate into an argument about who was responsible for the most atrocities in the past, and, quite honestly, who gives a *&^%?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, Argentina was bad, Spain was shocking and Britain had some nasty moments.
But do any of you have a point? Does this have any bearing on the Falkland Islands, at all?
If it does, I can't see it.
Haha McClick (post 6).
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems you've slipped up in your pretense of being Scottish! You may as well go back to having an Argentine name now after all that pretending.
In another thread he says 'P.S. I'm not Argentine'
@ 19
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your @ 19 post is for the reply on @ 2 ? ...right?
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@ 20
You well know my real name but you never met with me in person.
Lol just love how argentines try to change the subject to make the british the bad guys in this present day issue, where argentina wants the islands and to eject the population - Ohh and don't tell us they do not want to eject the islanders as you already have said you would.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 22
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is unneccesary and worthless comment.
If you think that is bad try post 8! I mean talk about unfounded rumors and conjecture!
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has about as much truth as a typical CFK speech!
Oh dear I certainly rocked the boat.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi - Of course the history of New Zealand and the Maors is very interesting. The 30 years of inter tribal wars between 1810 and 1840 certainly showed that the Maoris were not a united people. Also very interesting that Many Maoris fought for the government against the rebels so again the Maoris appear not to be united. and Also interesting that the Treaty of Waitangi acknowledges the criticisms of the Crown during the New Zealns Wars it also acknowledges that Maoris also breached the treaty.
This treaty of reconcilliation is still something that the Argies have failed to do with the native population of Argieland.
But most importantly you are still not getting your hands on the Falklands.
@19 Agreed, its not about who has killed the most natives.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to hear more views from people not living in the UK or Argentina, regarding the Falklands and treatment of the Falkland Islanders etc, if anyone neutral is reading this?
let us know what you think and where your from.
25 Viva las Malvinas
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you said... But most importantly you are still not getting your hands on the Malvinas..... well if the English people put their hands on Mavinas Islands that are Argentina and taking all the natural resources ,is it Ok?? rights!, no more comments!! mate!!!
malen (
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have killed people of all over the world
[More lies and indoctrination
.] 13 Kiwisarg
the English conquered the Maoris,
[was you there, can you prove this point]
Bet we can prove the English were nowhere near the place,
And that be an honest pirates truth ..
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@all i think the main issue here with ethnic cleansing is actually the Argentinians want to do it today. They wanted to ethnically cleanse the islands in 1982 but we're stopped and they still want to ethnically cleanse the islands today.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know a song about that...
and they wanted to use domestos .
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi I didn't mention the “Malvinas” I said the Falklands!!!!!
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have forgot you tried to invade and occupy the Islands and failed. The Islands are not Argentine. The Argentines lost the War and have no honour by their continued bellicose demands.
If the Falklanders wish to make use of their own natural resources then that is their business not Argentina. Every country in the world makes use of their own resources even Argentina!
And so why should the Falklander Islanders be dictated to by a Banana Republic such as Argentina.
I understand Argentina tries to limit expressions of dissention but luckily in this country and on this website there is freedom of speech. So comments will continue “Mate”.
31 VIva Las malvinas Argentinas and 29 yoghurt and Briton
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0read this.....http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/03/argentina-britain-islands-oil
I wonder if Pinera will maybe backtrack and take a more neutral stance after this. It wouldn't surprise me. Most Central and Aouth American leaders say one thing to their neighboring countries and another on the world stage. Perfect example? Antigua and Barbuda.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 “This is unneccesary and worthless comment.”
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree your comment was unnecessary and worthless, but then so were all your other comments before that where you brought up the subject of what britain did in the past in order to not only deflect people from the article itself, but to justify your claim to the islands and any future eviction of the islanders.
By the way, McClick is not a Scottish name either and your likely just irish wannabe o'gara in disguise, when in reality your just an argentine.
Muppet!
it is time for Argentina to start making the islanders pay for grosceries and products, after all islanders said that doesen t need anything from Argentina, will see if doesen t need anything.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has the right to ban the flights from Chile, it is a good point to let the islanders pAy to Argentina, or islanders still can buy food from UK, pay the price then
@35 They don't need anything from you. You're pretty pointless and useless. And if Turkey-neck does interfere with Chile's LAN flights she'll just make your country look like even more of a pathetic tantrum-throwing child thats going to squeam and squeam til its sick.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poll Results in -
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/falkland-news-poll-results/
@Monty69
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain had some nasty moments”
Let’s say 2000 years perhaps?
@Kiwi
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a very well balanced piece of blogging. Not! Certainly should how pathetic an article when it uses the Daily Mail to confirm movement of a submarine.
The whole article is factual incorrect and quite laughable. Please try to find something more serious.
Look at this youtube posting it sums up you Argies and your argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
@35
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So your plan is to starve people is it?
How refreshingly humanist of you.
@37 Poll results, I'd thought the 'yes' would have been higher.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0” Should Britain support the Falkland Islanders’ right to determine their own future”
The responses were as follows -
Yes 81.95%
No 17.48%
Undecided 0.57%
35 pepegalleta
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't get anything from Argentina now, and we haven't since 1981.
''it is time for Argentina to start making the islanders pay for grosceries and products,''???
WTF are you talking about? We already do pay for everything, and it doesn't come from Argentina.
@35 AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0How you going to do that then, gook? Try to look at reality. CFK might (try to) ban LAN Airlines from crossing argie airspace, but could she succeed? Well, various events over the years has proved that argieland doesn't have sufficient radar coverage of its airspace to necessarily detect an overflight. And then the British government might decide to subsidise (if necessary) the LAN flight so that it could go around argie airspace. What are you going to do about that, gook?
@38 Glad to see you think we've been around that long. However, “Britain” didn't really exist until around 1707. Before that you “might” be referring to England. However, that only goes back to around the 10th century. So you can't meaningfully talk about more than around a thousand years. Still, haven't we done well? That's because we're exceptional. Far beyond the mongrel Spanish that had to emigrate to South America and try to kill everyone they came across. You should read up on the history of your glorious “continent”. Did you not start with the extermination of the Mexica/Aztec. Then the Maya. Then the Inca. It seems that around 740,000 Spaniards managed to kill at least 11.5 MILLION indigenous people. That's pretty impressive. I don't think we Brits get anywhere near that. What a fantastic heritage you have. I assume you're proud of that? Does it give you a nice warm feeling when you go to bed at night? Looks like you Hitler wannabes beat Hitler to it. But here's the good bit. You managed it all in less than 400 years! That's nearly 29,000 EVERY YEAR. We are all SOOOO impressed. And you'd like to carry on doing it, right?
I am very patient person.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am ready to respect for the comments on @2 link .
@44 What are you talking about? if you want some questions answered then ask them here, otherwise no one is clicking your links.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry.
@44 The article you linked to in post 2 was more about chilian support than US support, in fact, the US support was hardly even mentioned, to say it was decisive is also inaccurate, as satalite images do not decide the out come of wars. Its is the men on the ground that are there fighting that decide the outcome. So your post 2 is completely pointless not to mention unfounded - What you intend to achieve by demanding or expecting a response is beyond me as it doesn't have anything to do with the current present day situation at all or this article itself. Your just trolling.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 044
Mar 13th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am very patient person”.
Just as well really.
44 McClick
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've got elbows............
@ 46
Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't write it the Mercopress did. Ask them !
(Maybe according to you all these Mercopress articles are pointless?)
I wait real comments on it not gossip.
49 McClick
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is there to say? That was then. I am only concerned about now and the future. I'd be surprised if the US didn't support the UK if it came to a military conflict. If there was no support on the table (or under it) in 1982, the UK would have had to take the war to Argentina itself. That would have been a big decision and who knows if they would have or not. All the talk about the war being a “close run thing” only applied to a land battle on the islands themselves. If the UK was forced to take it to Argentina, we all know it wouldn't have been close.
The experts from both sides seem to agree that if Argentina does something stupid (AGAIN!) and somehow manages to get troops onto the islands, it won't be possible for the UK to re-take the islands without taking the battle to the heart of Argentina and basically beating them into submission by taking out their infrastructure bit by bit until they withdraw.
So it boils down to 2 military options.
1. Defend the islands until the Argentine forces cease fire.
2. Lose the foothold in the islands until bombardment of Argentina forces Argentina to retreat.
With or without US or Chilean support, the UK can manage both of those options.
I'll leave it at that before being accused of being a war mongering Brit but as a Falkland Islander, war is the last thing I want to see.
Seeing as you've been so keen to get comment on this please be sure you respond.
@ 50
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your thinking style is not from English.
the English have always used secondary paravanes( stalking horses) to any ( never act lonely)what ever acts and operations in the history, yesterday--today--tomorrow -to avoid from likely future heavy burdens of liabilities...just tricky.!
50 I thing if a new war start Argentina will use some dirty strategies, like Iran trough Venezuela, I am sure Argentina will make Iranian terrorist start a silence war in England territory, plus if a new war start in midle east Uk will be involve sending troops , thT will be the right time for Argentina to start moving some army. Chavez has a very close relationship with Iran and with Argentina, Iran doesen t like Uk at all, that s way if something happen in Iran, this country will be an aliado trough chavez to Argentina .
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And remember, Israel can be another one too, Israel doesen t like Uk and never will. Every body think that Israel likes Uk becouse if the clise relationship with US but UK is a different ball game to Israel.
There are different way to fight against a supperior army, not only sophisticate weapons make you win a war,
take care
52 prep'
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've made a big mistake with your reckoning. Not to worry though. I am sure you are just a civilian and a layman. You'd best stick to yor day job.
Yawn.
@52 ... So, Venezuela, Iran and al-Qaeda will join forces to help “Argentina to start moving some army” to reinvade the Falkland Islands ?
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROFLMAO
@52 that's utter nonsense. The UN already gave the UK the ability to defend the people of the Falkland Islands under Article 51. If the Argies started KFC-peace again, then we'd just do the same again.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No point over-egging the pudding. We're only talking about Argentina.
@ 52
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know the street named Chavez in San Jose ,the city in California ?
I wast just given an a pissible idea, I am not saying it can happen, I hope not, and for every one I am jewish and I don t like Iran, even I don t like CFK, hope next president will start negociations with UK in a different way.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But regarding CFK if she could change the constitution she will be the president per ling time, that is a bad idea but is what gonna happen if she change the cosnstitution.
GReekyoughurt we can t only talk about Argentina regarding war, geopolitical mean the entire world, and in a war the friend of my friends are my friends, that is way I mentioned Iran and Venezuela, I don t like any of this two, as I told you before, I am jewish, how can I like Iran and Venezuela?
take care
I just got up off the floor. Having read “pepegalleta's” insight.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The malvinist's saviour, that fat clown Hugo Chavez will be dead soon, you only need to look at him. I wouldn't like to be in Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's shoes at the moment either. I really can't see the Israelis joining forces with Iran and al-Quaeda to help Argentina get its hands on the Falkland Islands either, however nicely you ask them :))
I had to marvel at this idiocy. A quick Google search for 'Argentina' and 'education' shines some light on the likely reasons for this level of stupidity:
“Argentina's educational system is appalling. International comparisons
indicate that while the country spends more on secondary education than
nations of comparable development its performance -- measured, for instance,
by the percentage of students who graduate on time -- is significantly below
the international norm. Worse, the quality of education has gradually
deteriorated. While in 1962 more than 35% of students who had started the
secondary education program graduated on time, by 1997 that figure had
declined to only 24%. The quality of education also varies significantly
across provinces. While rich provinces do relatively well, poor ones aren't
much better than the more destitute countries of the world.”
http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty/sebastian.edwards/TheAmericas_oct.pdf
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Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did not say that Israel will joint forces with Iran, but Israel will be more than happy to sale weapond to Argentina and to train Argentina army, Where did you read that I name Aa quaeda please go and buy some glasses to read, don t be ridiculous.
Vut again, Argentina will get weapons from Venezuela, Iran, Israel like in 82, China Rusia and even USA, actually US offerted to Argfntina to buy F-16 plus special forces training.
Brasil proposed to Argentina to create a new army to protect natural resources in south Atlantic,
And again, please go snd buy something to read well becouse I bever mention Al quaeda. Don t think UK is invenssible, Israel along can beat Uk.
Regardind Hugo Chavez, I don t like him but the truth is that he has an army and lot of weapons, plus the OPEC on his side, he can be a clown but a dangerous one, I don t think even UK has the guts to start a war against him, he has very dangerous parteners like Rusia, Iran and agsin the OPEC.
Like it or not, Chavez is a dangerous guy and not even UK csn afford a war against him.
Regarding Argentinian education, remember, Argentina receive people from a lot poor vountrys like Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru, Chile, this people come to Argentina looking for a better life but the reallity shows that this people findh living in Villas miserias, and can rhe kids works on the street.
I am in US and let me tell you that Argentinian school programs are better than most of the programs here.
Actually Uk is not much better either.
Actually a MD from Argentina can solve issues with out modern machines.
And I can tell you that becouse I live here in US, exellent MD s here, but Argentinians are better. We the Argentinians can solve things woth less resources than the UK and US cientifics with a lot resourcrs.
...anyway. I'm waiting to hear fromMcLick. He was soooo keen to get some comment to his posted link.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0McLick, the stage is yours!
I did respond to the link he posted only for him to dismiss my response on the basis he did not write the article - Well he bloody posted the link to it and ask us to respond to it, so its irelevent who wrote it. Seems to me form his response to my response to the link that he gave, that their is no correct answer that would satisfy him. So hes just made himself look an idiot to be honest.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean why post a link to an article asking for comments, only to dismiss a comment in response to the article he linked too and asked for comments on, just because he didn't like the answer? It just doesn't add up does it!
perhaps he knows not, what he posted, or the reqired answers were not of the excepted kind .
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 may be the street exist, bit I am sure the name is becouse Chavez the one who fought for latin human rights not for Hugo Chavez, is Cesar Chavez not Hugo Chavez.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you from US, you should know about it.
Do you know who Cesar Chavez was, what he did?
It is a very naive question, plus US is one of the most important customers to Venezuela buying oil, US can talk shit about Hugo Chavez but still is buying Venezuela petreoum, one thing is what you think but on papers US needs venezuela oil.
@ 63 latin human rights? what's that? hahaha The Latins were a tribe in Italy centuries ago, and they spoke the Latin language. Ignorant! Dejá de escribir pavadas.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny way to distort reality, the world knows what is Venezuela :)
McLick
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are you? Put us out of our curiosity and explain what the hell the point you are trying to make is. If any at all.
@10 Kiwisarg
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what does the Maori history have to say about the people living in those islands when the Maori arrived there.
Still arround are they, survive into the modern word like the Maori, did they.
@ 57 ...@ 59
Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our bland friend Pepe's perceptions have been fueled by torrent of news reports.
but the US is “” stuck“” with Israel whose perceived needs and interests are not always identical to those of the US managers.
A question that sholud be asked by anyone investigating accusations against the Iranian Government of being the “” foremost threat against Jews“” is how do Jews actually live in Iran ? If the Iranian President if supposed to be some kind of reborn Hitler ,would that not be reflected in imposed anti-Jewish legislature in this country..calls for the pogroms..
wher Jewish roots in Iran date back to biblical times....Tehran has 11 functioning synagogues,many of them Hebrew schools,It has two kosher restaurants,and a Jewish hospital,old age home and cemetary.There is a Jewish represatatives in Iranian parliament....
Moris Motamed ,the Jewish parliament there also who represents the Iranian-Jewish Community,does not critize Iran's nuclear program.
All thing considered ,the hypocrisy is plainly clear.It is there not only necessary but also imperative to oppose the dangerous propaganda and warmongering spread by the most agressive factions within the US -Israel establisments and ensure that ruth prevails over rampant militarizations.
67 McLick
Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you're on the wrong website.
Can we get back on topic? I don't know where we are now, but it's definitely not on topic.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 069 Greek
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you and please accept my apologies if that was all partly my fault. It's just that McDick was pleading for someone to comment about post number 2 so I did (so did others but he ignored them or trashed them) even though he has ignored me since.
Anyway, he's had a chance to put his point across and now that we can see he is clearly a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, let's move on.
Will Minister Browne have managed to plant anything into the Chilean Government's head that may change the outcomes of the meetings they have planned with KFC this week?
The big question is will the LAN flight stop.
@70. I doubt it.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no it wont,
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there would be no logic, and besides if chile stopped them, then chiliens would lose out, the british would almost certainly pick up where chile left of,
71 and 72
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you're both right but I'm worried about whatever political or commercial pressure KFC might put into play to get what she wants.
well the brit man is in chile, and im sure that if there was any danger of that, we would be told after he left,
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i cant see CFK changing what may or may not be agreed,
as this would drop chile in the hotpot would it not.
@59 “Where did you read that I name Aa quaeda please go and buy some glasses to read, don t be ridiculous...”
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am sure Argentina will make Iranian terrorist start a silence war in England territory”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9085774/Iran-strengthening-ties-with-al-Qaeda-say-intelligence-chiefs.html
Now stop it, you're too funny.
tis are your words you need glasses ir a new brain to remember what you wrote
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shoes at the moment either. I really can't see the Israelis joining forces with Iran and al-Quaeda to help Argentina get its hands on the Falkland Islands either, however nicely you ask them :))
now please go and buy some good glasses
Israel helped Argentina becouse Israel doesn t like UK.
next time if you still want to talk with me remember what you put in your ad, cos I think you have alzeimer or may be you are to old to remember
@76 pepegalleta “Israel helped Argentina becouse Israel doesn t like UK”
Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Haven't you got your school homework to do? Do your parents know you're using daddy's computer?
LOL!
@74 We all know Argentina just wants the LAN flight stopped, so they can control the flights in and out of the Falklands other than via Wide-awake Club Airfield, Ascension island which doesn't have Commercial Access.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess one option would be for the UK & USA to open up Wide-awake Airfield and let them fly to other places via there.
Just one option.
Sure self determination for British in UK is fine what we Argentine are wondering is when will UK take their illegal alliens back to UK?? You couldn't claim anything on someone else's land, We are all waiting for UK to make good on their promise.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 The original inhabitants of that part of South America you already stole are wondering when you'll **** off back to Spain... Well, they would be, if you hadn't murdered them all.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 Yes, I'd also like to know when you're going to furk off back to spain/germany/italy and let the original owners have their land back?
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering your status as a 'squatter', can we have the date and time of your departure please?
Pirate hunter the pratt!
Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain stole the vast majoity of South America, then Argentina was formed as result of self determination! I.E RG's stole it from Spain!
The only thing to numb the pain of your stupidity would be to get seriously drunk!
@ 79 You can hunt nothing but your own *rsehole.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 079 Pirate
Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you are comfortable because you are going to be wondering and waiting for a very long time.
Chuckle checkle
About these LAN flights to the Falklands....
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no doubt that it would be detrimental to the Chileans living and working there, and also for the kelpers, (as it is a lifeline to an “independent” country) if these flights were cancelled.
Now the bad news...
Chile is run by a very calculating, circumspect president, one who puts much emphasis on cooperation and consensus. Piñera is an engineer, a champion economist and a very successful businessman. So I think that if the Argentine proposal has some meat on the bone, Piñera could be persuaded to drop the flights. Also it is Chile's “official” position that the islands are Argentine. He will weigh up the options. Most chileans do not want to cave in to Argentinian pressure, and the military certainly wouldn't be happy with what could be seen as a weak position. But if he can play his cards well he may be able to get concessions out of both parties, and still come out smelling like a rose. We'll see it's only a few days till the meeting.
85 The Chilean perspective
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you live in the islands, Chile or elsewhere? Just wondering. It helps me to gauge your comments.
I think the flights will stop and, despite the initial pain, we will be better off without LAN in the long run. I do feel bad for the Chileans who have grown to expect the link will always be there; it will be quite painful for most of them. However in six months time the alternate link will be up and running and, with several flights per week, it will quickly eclipse what LAN can do for us now.
Conqueror I see you did not do well in History class when in school.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish intergrated with the Indians in South America while the POmmies exterminated any native tribe that stood in their way.
Just look at the South and North America now. The South has a huge
Indian mestizo population and in the USA the South West is where there are more natives Indians(remember the South West was colonist by Spain) but in the East where the Pommies settled there is no trace of native Indians. If The Navajos and Apaches exist today it is because they were under Spanish Control.And do not forget that the European Deseases had a lot to do with the extermination of many Natives.
All exterminated!! Read the book “ wounded Knee” is see what the anglos were capable of!! and here Down Under the Aboriginals are mainly in the centre and Northern Australia. In Victoria there was a price on every aboriginal shot by white settlers.and as a result you will see very few Aboriginals down here.SO DON´T GIVE ME THIS SH**** THAT THE SPANIARDS EXTERMINATED THE NATIVE INDIANS. Do a little bit of reading its good for your brain!! And what about the racist attacks in Britain today between blacks and white gangs where there is nearly one stabbing per day in The UK.
This poeple doesn t know anything about history, don t waist your time trating to educate.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who financed the indians in south Argentina?
The British
All british here needs to read history, din t ask as what your own rich people did.
@87 Regarding violence in the UK, yes sh*t happens everywhere, like every country in the world. Ever heard of the Cronulla riots?
Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
There are problems with certain immigrants everywhere in the world, though trust me, you'd be far safer in the UK than in Argentina:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
Even though Argentina disposed of its troublesome darkies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
The Australian Aborigines have rights and land, if not all of it. Likewise Native Americans in the United States and Canada. Granted these peoples, like those in Argentina, should never have had their land taken in the first place, but I don't see you volunteering to return from whence your ancestors came, you hypocrite.
88 Pepe
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sorry. You are right and we are wrong. I just read history and now I realise that the islands are Argentine. We'll leave next week.
Chuckle chuckle
Grow up and wake up! It isn't going to happen so save your history lessons for someone who is interested.
The Falkland Islands belong to Britain and we are not going anywhere.
90 a lot of the British people here talk bulshit about argentinians regarding the indians extermination in the campana del desierto, what your people does nt figurate out is that UK rich people was who financed that campana.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is way a lot argentinian land belong to a British investors,
Read the real history and then you can discuss with me, if you don t knoe a shit please clise your mouth and learn something to don t be fulish like a 8 years old kid.
Conqueror
Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know anything about real history.
I ask you: If the Spanish exterminate the natives of Latin America, how come 50 % or more of the region is populated by mestizos and pure indians ? Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia has only 20 % of whites.
and How come that were you colonize in North America is ulmost non native population? You will probably use your card of deseases. Wel let me ask you did the Spanish have the same deseases than the English ?
How came that while many natives dies from desesases in Spanish America but mayority survives, but ulmost exterminated in Anglo America ? Stop reading pro british version of history, is full of crap.
In Canada while France was there before you took it, the relation between french colonizers and the native were friendly and cooperative.
The natives help the french faithing against the British.
The british exterminated the natives in Canada. I read a book written by a canadian french that the british commit a genocide in Canada with the native. He calculate that you kill ulmust 5 millons native in all Canada. But probably you will denied all this.
You know why because you are a racist ass”##%$%$.
92
Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am with you in that one, South America suffered same things, the Argentinian army financed by British terratenientes went to the patagonia dessert to kill all natives, all becouse of the land. Thd predident at that time was Roca, a pro british president in Argentina.
I have been reading a lit prople ads here discussing about the Argentinian land belong to natives, but there is bot natives cos of the british.
have fun and please revomend this british people to go and read and learn somo world history, or please watch the history chanel
91 Pepe
Mar 14th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lots of people on site seem to think that this is nothing more than a pissing contest about our countries' histories. Almost as if one side is trying to convince the other that their side is worse than the other and therefore, if they can do that, one side might concede defeat.
Grow up. I don't care less about history in this dispute. Certainly not history that goes back several generations. “The English did this.” “The Spanish did that.” “Blah blah blah.” Who gives a shit. We're not responsible for what our forefathers did and neither are you. Tell me how you think it can or should make any difference.
What matters is that we've been living here now, uninterrupted for 180 years. We are recognised as a people and our right to self-determination is sound. If it is not sound, Argentina should go through the legitimate process of appealing to the ICJ. End of story.
By writing this I am not conceding that the history prior to the 1830's looks less positive for Britain than Argentina- I don't think it does- but what I am saying is that it's largely irrelevant in this case.
History is important in this problems because todays world is based in rights and wrong doings of the past. Today world is a consequence of our past. Every consequence have a cause.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You accuse argentina of brainwashing us. I can agree with some of that.
But you are not less than us. Your history is full of lies.
Describing the history of Britain as kind, civilize, hones is just a fairy tale.
For example in other topic in this blog. Redcoat claim that the invasion of Montevideo was in his word “when the british liberate Montevideo in 1807” he try to imply that people of Montevideo wanted to be under British dominion when that is not true. Is like saying that in 1982 argentina wanted to liberate the islands when we invaded. Is a complete nonsenses for both examples.
You can not liberate a population that don't want to be part of you. That apply to argentina about the Falkland Islands but also apply to the British when you invade others people land.
So depending how is teach history and how is distort it, the minds of the future grow ups will see the world.
Do you too, think that when you invade River Plate in 1806 and 1807 you liberate us ? Remember that as the same that today falklanders don't have anything in common with argentina (linguitic, cultural, or political) people of Montevideo and Buenos Aires didn't have anything in common with you and didn't want to be part of the British Empire.
You are very funny people. HAHAHAHAHA.
Impossing your language, your culture to us is liberating us. You are very funny and arrogant people. HAHAHAHAHAHA
malvinas belong to Argentina,the only thing that stop Argentina is the Uk milytar deffence
Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96 based on your twisted thought process Britain belongs to Nazi Germany - the only thing stopping that is how you say Britain's “milytar deffence”.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 096 Pepe
Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IJC
@87 aussie sunshine
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The descendants (genetically speaking) of the “Abo killers”, are today properly called Aussies, not Brits. Obviously you like the Aborigines sunshine too much to let being a planter that bother you.
@92 taky
“I read a book written by a canadian French” .
Of course then it must be true and unbiased, what was the authors name, Piere Le Vichey Gouvernemont.
In history no one is innocent, or they would not be here today. This has been a fact of history as long as there has been human history.
Whatever may, or may not happened in the past, in Patagonia or some far away part of the British Empire, it does not change the history of the S Atlantic which has been British since long before Argentina existed British.
The facts do not support Argentina’s historical claims; you have no moral argument in today.
A morally bankrupt position.
“when the British liberate Montevideo in 1807” – Look up the expressions “Wind up” or “Taking the Piss”. It is not supposed to be believed, although if you do it just adds to the amusement for others.
@ 96 pepegalleta
This why a strong defensive posture by the British, is necessary to protect British territories in the S Atlantic. Argentina would do the same if Britain was threatening to invade Patagonia. People don’t like being threatened and react accordingly.
Big Jim's a hero :-)
Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/jim-sensenbrenner-calls-for-the-us-to-support-the-falkland-islanders/
Mad psychotic bitch is the best term for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina!
Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Others around Cristina Kirchner that are also crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Ah! Mohammeds killing abos eh!
Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are salvage, lazy, pirates, squatters, ignorant, incompetent, liars and murders. To name some of the best virtues they have. Later I will name the bad things you can expect from them. Because I need some time to make the list.
95 taky
Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure how to break this to you gently, but 1806 was quite a long time ago. Over 200 years ago in fact.
Don't you think it's time you got over it and moved on?
You seem to be using what the British did in not- Argentina in 1806 as an excuse and a justification for what you want to do to us now. That's a bit mad, isn't it? The world is a different place now. If it wasn't ok for the British to do it to you in 1806 then it surely isn't right now.
I also can't help noticing that you can't help abusing us for what our distant ancestors did 200 years ago:
'' Impossing your language, your culture to us is liberating us. You are very funny and arrogant people.''??
Who is? Are you talking to me?
Anyway, I don't think I need to accept any responsibility for this, especially when you can't accept that you did wrong to us in 1982 and the people who did it are still walking around in Argentina.
No-one wants to impose British culture on Argentina. You do still want to take my country away from me and impose Argentine rule. That seems to be a more pressing issue now than 1807 (or 1833), don't you think?
Monty
Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree completly with you what my country is trying to do to you is wrong. I always give you the reason about self determination.
If I bring things from bad thing of the past is becouse some british blogers keep saying that the british never did anything bad in history.
I'm 50 years old. I'm a passionate student of history, and I know all the lies and truth about the Falkland Islands. Some times agree with you and others I desagree about historical facts. But in the final I alway arrive to the conclussion that the important thing is the people rights that live today in those lands.
Many times I argue with my co-nationals about this. I said to them “we took these lands that we call Argentina from the natives and almust exterminated them. If we believe we have rights over this country, the falklanders have more rights of those islands” you can imagin the names my co-national tell me.
But I also know history from both sides. And is also fair to said that you too denied all the bad things that your country did in history. And that makes me very angry. You want us to recognaise all our wrong doing in history but at the same time your co-national says that Britain never did nothing wrong.
You acusse us of been brainwashed but you don't see that you too were been brainwashed. You denied everything or always find an explanation to justify one of your atrocieties commited in your history. That is disgusting. I'm sorry that is the way I feel.
Is not fair what my country is doing to yours. But is also not fair what your country did to others for centuries and you keep dennied it.
I'm sorry for my English. I use to lived in uk for a few years many decades ago, and I did not practice a lot since then. By the way in those days british were very racist. They use to think I was Pakistani for my skin color and treat me very bad. I hope that that kind of racim change since then.
I hope one day argentines and falklanders could be good neighbors and respect each others.
@104 taky That's a very reasoned and eloquent argument. I can completely sympathise. Having to argue with those who, with their position so weak, and incapable of reasoned argument, resort to obfuscation and ad hominem attacks can be tiresome, is usually pointless and have the unfortunate effect of compelling me to descend to their level.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0From my initial position, many years ago, of indifference and ignorance regarding the current situation and history of the islands, I have read many detailed histories of the South Atlantic. The inescapable conclusion is that Argentina has no legitimate or moral claim to those islands, nor any of the other parts of Antarctica, Chile, Brazil, Paraguay and other islands that some Argentineans continue to lay claim.
This should be available reading in Argentine schools: http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf This would add some facts and balance to the child abuse, in the form of compulsory malvinist brainwashing currently inflicted on Argentinean children: http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
@105 you're fat.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry Alexei may be I will disappoint you.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree about the islanders right about self determination becouse for me that is more important than historical argentina rights.
I didn't said that historically Argentina didn't have any right over those islands.
Historicly speaking I consider that France first, Spain second and Argentina third have more historicly rights on those islands.
In 1765 when you claimed, Bougainville alraidy claimed a year before in name of his king. You have to read his proclaim that is keep in the Museum of History in Paris, a copy of that is also in Cadis Spain.
So like I said before, legally and strictly talking historicly, you can not claim a land that is alraidy been claimed. France sold it to Spain.
The Masserano agreement between both crown did respect the rights of both claimat. But Spain never renounse to his rights of the islands. The Nootkia conventions finish to put under Spainish soverignty those islands, except for the secret clause, argentina has the rights of those lands because the king put it under buenos aires.
About Antartica. You have less rights again. In 1908 you can not claim a land that is alrady been claimed before. What make you think that your letter patents have stronger legal than a proclamation of the king of Spain of the terra australis. Just because tha king of England said it thats not make sacred..
You can said that England laws are above Spanish king proclame. That is not true.
Like I said before historically speaking argentina has more rights. Like the indians have more rights about argenina land than the white european that came here.
But human rights in my opinion is above historical rights. That is why for me is por important your self determination.
About Antartica your rights over that land is not above us nor above Chile. Here it does not apply self determination.
I'm sorry to desapoint you.
Peace
@87.. 'In Victoria there was a price on every aboriginal shot by white settlers.' Utter bullshit.... show us proof of that or get back down your burrow, drongo.....
Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 Taky That's alright, I'm not disappointed, though slightly confused. I regard the historical claims made by Argentina, based as they are on events pre-dating the existence of state of Argentina, as irrelevant and anachronistic. Particularly as the very borders of the state of Argentina were established by conquest and aggression with indigenous peoples, European colonial powers, and neighbouring colonies alike. The current Argentine regime seeks to further expand those borders, and to dispossess neighbours who have peacefully coexisted for generations. The notion that Argentina can 'inherit' lands hundreds of miles away, from Spain, a country that Argentina rejected, is plainly ridiculous, particularly if those lands are populated by somebody else.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said before Argentina has no legitimate or moral claim, regardless of the fact that the Falkland Islanders have a right to self determination, as established by the United Nations in the middle of the last century.
Argentina clearly seeks to colonise already inhabited Islands 300 miles off the South American continent, thereby inevitably 'ethnically cleansing' those Islands of their settled population. The most ridiculous part of all this is that the Argentine government seeks support from, of all places, the Special Committee on Decolonisation at the United Nations. Does the concept of 'irony' not exist in Argentina?
What are every body here ralk about self determination? it is an implant population in malvinas, self determination doesen t applied in this case, every Kelper are there becouse is a choise, actually before 83 Uk did not cociderer kelpers as a uk citizens.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don t blame what happened in the campana del desierto where UK investor was supporting the argentinian army to kill tbe natives just to own the land, I mentioned that becouse a lot people here ble argentina for that reason
@ 107 taky
Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British discovered the Islands in 1592, landed on them in 1690 and “took possession” of the territory in 1765, Letters Patent issued claiming them in (I believe) in 1741.
Bougainville was trying to claim territory that was already British. However you look at it the British have the prior claim..
Firstly the Nootka Sound Convention is an Anglo-Spanish agreement, nothing to do with Argentina, which did not even exist when it was signed. Argentina can claim nothing whatsoever under that agreement.
Secondly If you read the Nootka Sound Convention you will find article VI actually excludes the Falkland Islands from the terms of the agreement. The facts completely refute the Argentinian version of events.
Not to mention a secret clause, so secret neither Britain nor Spain know anything about it, but we are expected to believe that Argentina does. Again not one shred of evidence to support the Argentinian claims
As far as Antarctica is concerned, the facts of history are that Argentina arrived 100 years to late simple as that, to busy mopping up in Patagonia and TDF. Argentina has no legitimate basis for its Antarctic claims, once again Britain has a long standing prior claim.
However I agree with you that human rights of the Islanders are the issue today, not the rights or wrongs of history.
@111 I believe in 1982 Argentina fought a war over possession of the islands and categorically lost.
Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of Story.
111 Pugol-H
Mar 16th, 2012 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The British discovered the Islands in 1592, landed on them in 1690 and “took possession” of the territory in 1765, Letters Patent issued claiming them in (I believe) in 1741.“
Wrong. Maps made before 1592 showing location of the islands. Britain did not discover them.
In 1690 Britain did not claim the islands and not formally took possesions of it. Only navegate around it and name the channel that separeted the two big islands. Show me proofs of your claim in that year and you will convince me, until then is just your word...that for me is like nothing.
The first formal British claim was made in 1765 a year after French claim. So your claim is invalid.
You are right that the Nootka Sound Convention in 1790 was between Spain and Britain and Argentina didn't was a separate state, it was part of the spanish crwon and part of the Viceroy of the River Plate.
Wrong about the clause VI. You should read it before talking nonsenses.
It estipulate the areas belonging to both crowns. The Falklands were not excluded so you are wrong again. Read it please before answer of something you have no knowlege about it.
The secret clause exist. And Spain and Britain knew about it.
About Antartica you are wrong. Your letter patent were made in 1908. Spain claim those ”Terra Australis“ many years before any British claim of those lands. Argentina and Chile as sussesors of Spain believe that it has a better case to claim that land too.
”... not the rights or wrongs of history“
When you said ”rights or wrongs of history” you probably said:
rights of Britain in history
wrongs of Argentine in history
No?
You british still the same bigotry, arrogance, superior attitude and racist prejudice I use to see 36 years ago.
Like I said to other of your co-national:
YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE BY GOD !!!!!!
Your brainwashed doesn't let you see all the wrong you did throug history.
Im loosing my time with you.
Good Bye.
Nootka sound does not apply to the falklands it only applied in regards to erecting permenant structures. Which both spain and britain agreed not to erect permenant structures on lands adjacent too the east and west coast of south america. It does not confirm sovereignty of the islands to spain or britian, though it most be pointed out that spain was forced to agree to the convention or face a war with britain, therefore britain had the better hand then that of what spain had.
Mar 16th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for “YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE BY GOD !!!!!!” What and argentines are? Not a singal one of use claims to be choosen by god, but us brits do support the islanders right to self determination and the islanders version of history. On 22 January 1771 Britain and Spain signed an agreement where both nations rights were reserved (spain recognising british sovereignty rights!). After this agreement Britain voluntarily abandoned its colony physically (not politically) in 1774, but left a plaque asserting its sovereignty. Spain ruled the islands from Buenos Aires (now the capital of Argentina) without opposition until 1811. Spain then withdrew, leaving the islands uninhabited, but still claimed (none of Spains territories were relinquished in terms of sovereignty until 1836). Argentina gained it's independence unilaterally from Spain in 1816 and today claims to have asserted its sovereignty over the Falklands/ Las Malvinas from that very year, organising some settlement of the islands in the 1820s. However this is strongly disputed as there is no evidence of anyone being sent to the islands with Argentine/Buenos Aires government authority until 1823 and there was no binding universal international law at the time that supported the inheritance (Argentina refers to the principle of Uti Possidetis, but this was not the 'binding international law' just a principle). So argentine claim under inheritance is frankly a load of Bull shit.
@112 You're quite correct, but it appears Argentines have learning difficulties, they didn't learn that lesson very well. Argentina's special needs may soon result in the necessity of another remedial lesson.
Mar 16th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Under international law as it stood in the 1820's and 30's, conquest by war was a perfectly acceptable way of gaining good title to a territory.....
Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....but not in 1982!
@116 - Unless of course its the british task force that was sent to recapture the islands after an illegal argentine invasion of british sovereign territory ;-))))
Mar 16th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#117
Mar 16th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0= legitimate self defence.
It appears that Master Jeremy is not aware that the islands' economy is at all not dependant from what others can try to snuff it.
Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps this could have entailed a problem 50 or more years ago, not now. I'm afraid he should ask for a resume with current facts of the places he intends to visit to brief him, at least a week before taking the plane.
Yes, minister... F.O.! (Foreign Office)
Self determination doesen t applied in this case
Mar 16th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0113 taky
Mar 16th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British do not claim the first sighting if the islands, but the first confirmed discovery of the islands. The British returned a year later and began mapping the islands confirming the discovery
In 1690 the British made the first recorded landing on the islands, the French claim of 1764 was therefore invalid, end of.
The Nootka Sound convention says:
Article VI provided that neither party would form new establishments on any of the islands adjacent to the east and west coasts of South America then occupied by Spain. Both retained the right to land and erect temporary structures on the coasts and islands for fishery-related purposes.
“Adjacent” is the important word for you, this is what excludes the islands from the terms of the treaty, as in no way can the Falklands be described as “adjacent” to S America. However I am glad you agree the treary does not involve Argentina in the first place and so Argentina can not claim anything under it.
And what is the evidence for this “secret clause” please?
Terra australis is at best a vague term, generaly meaning what today we call Australia. British Letters Patent tend to describe where they are talking about rather then just“somewhere south”.
Not to mention the Convention of Settlement 1850, when Argentina relinquished any claim to the islands!
No, “not the rights or wrongs of history”, is what I said and what I meant.
In history no one is innocent, or they would not be here today. This has been a fact of history as long as there has been human history.
I tell you the position as the British see it, you may not like it, but it is not intended to insult or offend you, it is merely a statement of our view. You should not respond with insults, that is you being prejudiced against another persons view, it does not reflect well on you.
There is no government in Malvinas, only colonial pirates who have great big hand of Britain in their backsides.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0They must be removed from these islands, which belong to Argentina even before Argentina exist, it was taken from them. This and also by grace of God and Papal Bull of 1496!
In 1982 we have a much more macho government than today, we had a man in charge and no ordinary man, he was a General, from Italy, same country my grandparents came from, fleeing from British and American Imperialists after WW2 (it would take several generations and Berlusconi to put right what they did to Italy).
General Galtieri did not take no for an answer, he sent a great military force with special forces under command of our counter terrorist officers like Captain Alfredo Astiz, who is now in prison and should be freed!
These were the men who removed 50,000 left wing terrorists from our streets and delivered them into the Atlantic. We are proud that they had the guts to do what was necessary.
But today I listen to the BBC and it seems there are more left wing in our nation. I am in The Bahamas at the moment working in hotel so out of touch with my country. It seems all the strong people leave and only weak left remain.
But still there are veterans prepared to attack the police for medals for Malvinas War as they protected Patagonia from a British invasion, they deserve these medals, Police should not keep them from them.
Pirates and Anglos i hate all of you. Even here in the Bahama, have to put up with your Royal family, Prince Harry and the descendants of your Caribbean pirates some of which now Mullatos but others prefer stay white. I myself do not like. Or the children of British colonial pirates!
GO HOME BEFORE WE SEND YOU TO GO BACK TO YOUR HOMELAND.
Islanders do not deserve any locks. just a kick in the ass to send them back to europe
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don t think islanders are guilty of any crime, UK is wrong, Malvinas belong to Argentina, but I can t find a reason to blame islanders
Mar 17th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@96
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Makes sense to keep them there then, doesn't it?
125 Make sense to UK government not to the people in Malvinas, don t forget , before 83 islanders wasn t considered as British citizens, actually with no right in UK, after 83 and becouse if the war islanders got full citizenship.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don t think for UK people in the islands are the priority to deffend, I think is the oil and the fish, plus the geopolitical licattion.
Sorry if I offend somebody but to me is the truth or may truth.
@122philippo Perhaps your grandparents were fleeing Italy for different reasons collaborating with the Natzis maybe..You blame Britain and America for ruining Italy would you rather they had let the Nazis take over the world...In my opinion the Italians got off lightly...As far as the BBC goes if you don't like it don't listen to it...We won't go home and if you try to send us you'l get the same deal you got in 82...Long live the FALKLANDERS & GOD SAVE THE QUEEN....
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the other Argentina crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
122 Filippo
Mar 19th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to calm down son, and take a chill pill. The 1982 war was a last, desparate gamble of a man who was trying to hold on to power and was trying to swing the public opinion in his favour.
and for you information:- “These were the men who removed 50,000 left wing terrorists from our streets” they didn't remove them from the streets, they butchered them, shot them as you might shoot a dog or a lame horse. and the poeple that they killed? they weren't “left wing terrorists” they were just ordinary people. Please don't tell me you believe all the sh*te that was put out by your government.... it would be a shame if you did.
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