MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Peru cancels HMS Montrose visit in support of Argentina’s Falklands claim
In a display of “Latin American support for Argentina’s legitimate rights,” the Peruvian government announced on Monday its decision to render void the protocol visit of a British frigate scheduled to dock in a Peruvian port this week. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI must say, I luuuuv Mr. Lorton comment about this news….:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0”(11) Lord Ton
ooopps”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/19/falklands-oil-company-delays-report-on-deep-water-exploratory-drilling#comments
I can visualize his uncontrolled anger and exasperation, expressed, in typical British manner, by a nearly imperceptible lifting of the left eyebrow :-)
It doesnt change anything. Of course there will be unity among the S americas. It goes without saying.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a temporary inconvience to the vessel thats all.
it will all change rapidly when that oil starts getting pumped out of the ground and Im surpised that Cameron and his government cannot see the potential for a scenario developing whereby the whole of south and central america inc mexico throw their support behind argentina thereby sparking off a rapidly escalating anglo/hispanic confrontation centering on who exactly has the right to exploit the resources of a region that is somewhat closer to south america than europe, with the sovereignty issue taking second place.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0If britain cannot see the potential consequences of such a confrontation then I can only assume it is now prepared to fight for that oil.
dreyfuss
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can see the possible confrontation, but i cant see it having an effect of great magnitude. The oil starts to pump and S Americas do what? trade blocks? Sanctions?
If there is sufficient oil we will just sell it USA, Europe, China etc etc Or better still, sell it to your neighbours at very low prices, but exclude RGland (not sure if thats legal but great idea i think)!
Unless you are suggesting S Americas will use force? Guess not ! so therefor we dont need to fight for it!
UK does not need to fight for it unless you try to physically take it!
Again, what about French Guyana? That's a overseas region of France in South America and it's on the mainland. I don't see anyone discussing that region...I'm not even convinced the C24 have it on their list of colonies.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0South Americans don't do anything about FG, so I doubt they'll do anything about FI.
End of Story.
Dreyfus, I think you are living in dream world again. Central America does not care about neither Argentina nor the Falklands.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0And nobody in Central America is going to want a fight with Britain are they over something that does not matter to them?
Here is what will really happen, the Falkland's islanders will take the oil, some other token gestures will surely take place under the bullying and aggression of Argentina. After all we know Argentina is good at bullying SA countries.
Other than that, nobody is going to try it on with the UK and the Falkland Islanders are going to get very rich.
And Argentina's economy is going to collapse.
@ 6 HOOOOOOOORAY!!!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 and Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao are either part of the Kingdom of The Netherlands or overseas countries of the same nearby the South American coastline
@7 Kirchner and the Latamfags don't mention any of those places either. Makes me think they're just saying any old nonsense to agree with Argentina and yet when it comes down to it, they frankly don't really care. Otherwise you'd see the whole list of colonial enclaves in her 'Latin American list of Enclaves' whereas it's just the Falklands.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I personally just think they're just ignorant about geography and don't realise these other places exist.
Uneducated furks, the lot of them.
Note to Falklanders. The first thing to spend your billions on is a deep water port capable of docking any sized ship.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0A new set of stamps would be nice too.
keep sailing pirates, just keep sailing...'Merika is not too far for you to have a decent rest
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0heir Helber,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0what is the definition of Pirate???
Dunce!!!
@9. I've said this a few times. Becoming a transportation hub is no bad thing.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 The South Americans are famous for their hospitality *cough* bollox *cough* bollox *cough*
@11 you being a brit (according to your username) should know that better than anyone else.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arsehole!!
Ah Helber adding your usual level of quality content to a discussion I see with the childish name calling.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it was rather interesting to read that the Peruvian Congress had approved the visit, unanimously, in the first place. Congress's reaction to this arbitrary action by the Executive, made under pressure from another State, ought now to be seen as a test of Peru's democratic credentials. It also says rather more about the true nature of South American solidarity on this issue than this U particular turn.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And it's good to see that Think has completed his night shift down the Observatory bunker.
Control-over-peru-o-meter
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0------------------
Peruvian Congress |..o
Peruvian Executive |......o
Argentina |.....................................................o
@13 ooooooOOOOOH! Watch out guys, helbers got his handbag out!!!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0So helber you couldnt answer the question?
I call myself brit abroad because............................wait for it.....
I am a brit and.................................you'll never belive this one........
i live abroad.
FYI I do know the correct definition of the word pirate, and was asking whether you did as you seem to confused as to when one should apply this word!
If anything this shows there is no chink in the armour of S. American regional support for Argentina's claims over Malvinas. All those who yesterday celebrated Peru's alleged hosptiality to UK warships jumped the gun or came to early!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Along with developing and constructing this S. American international support, Argentina has also managed to re-dig Malvinas from the graveyard of topics. From being a rarely talked about topic and one which the UK went to great lengths to present as a 'closed and resolved issue', it is now very clear internationally (by actions such as Peru's and previously by such countries as Brazil, Uruguay, and Chile; by the fact that the topic is no longer, or at least for the time being, a rarely talked about topic.
Now for this to eventuate to concrete results, Argentina has to 'construct' it into an issue that begins costing the UK money (not the islanders but the UK itself). Only when that occurs will the UK sit down an negotiate.
Personally, I think Argentina is on the right track but still needs to accomplish that last and decisive step. Otherwise, it will have all been for nothing.
Twas only half an eyebrow - tantamount to shock :-)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the real question is - was the original permission just stupidity, or were Peru up to something ?
18 Helber Galarga
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problems you have with that are the rules of the WTO, the fact it will probably cost you as much (if not more) than the UK and the fact it will also need to excede the revenues that are generated by the new oil industry being developed.
Once it starts costing other South American states you'll also find they will seek out ways of circumventing their solidarity with Argentina.
Essentially Helber, the UK is in a very strong position to punish Argentina financially so it would be a bad day for Argentina to attempt such an action.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has changed really other than token support, heck your friends Chile wouldn't even cancel the LAN flight which should be no big deal if they are showing solidarity but clearly this is a game of empty politics where countries do not want to upset the irrational and unbalanced Argentina but are clearly not willing to go any further than banning some ships with the Falkland's flag or military vessels.
The UK has clearly taken a policy of letting things getting so far and then stopping them from getting any further, its a game that tries to seek balance with the UK not singling any SA country out for punishment but waiting for the moment to pass so things can remain the same.
This is why the UK is such a force in diplomatic circles, it knows how to play the game to win.
@20
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that could well be the case. Only time will tell though.
one thing is for sure. the last thing that a crisis ridden UK needs is to be hit where it hurts it the most. And if that were able to be 'constructed' (as per my previous post) then I could see the UK sitting down to negotiate the fate of Malvinas with Argentina
Negotiation will not happen untill Argentina changes its non negotioable stance......jesus!!!!! how many bleedin times does this need to be said????????????????????????
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those Argies might not know what Pirates are, but they know what international terrorists are, and how to sponsor them and pay homage to their terrorism.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0La Nacion even refers to the terrorists as 'protagonists', which is nice, considering that they're guilty of state sponsored terror.
(source: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1457899-la-historia-de-18-jovenes-que-secuestraron-un-avion-para-pisar-malvinas)
Argentinians show they have no ethics or morals again
Peru's being a bit unfriendly and wants to stick it to Gringo too. Oh well, that's it I suppose. We'll have to hand the Falkland Islands over to Argentina.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then again, perhaps we won't :)
@21
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0It still begs the question as to why these countries are providing your so-termed 'token support' to Argentina's claims. It's not as if Argentina is promising anything in exchange and, additionally, it does not have much of threat power (since '82 Argentina's military defence budget has been on a steady decline and it is arguably the lowest in the region). So, why are they providing this support?
It would be both naive and stupid for Argentina to request (or pressure) Chile into stopping the LAN flights. The fact that it hasn't occurred clearly highlights that those were only rumours. Now, a whole different story would be for Argentina to request the LAN flights to be stopped but, at the same time, offer the Aerolineas Argentinas flight in its stead. Taking such line of action could not be construed as seeking to isolate the islanders or blockade them.
youll need to do more than offer an alternative flight! Its a bit of a wish washy attempt to look nice and friendly
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@26 By rumours, do you mean your president openly talked about banning the flights in front of the entire UN general assembly? That's not a rumour, that's a fact.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're providing the support because argentina is like a woman on permanent menopause, and unless she gets her way, then she'll make sure no one is happy. So they just say 'yes, wife' and 'no, wife' until she shuts up, and do what they want.
So you're in Le Camping, what happened to the $2.4 billion for Belgrano Malvinas Airlines?
@28 You write “They're providing the support because argentina is like a woman on permanent menopause, and unless she gets her way, then she'll make sure no one is happy. So they just say 'yes, wife' and 'no, wife' until she shuts up, and do what they want. ”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! What can I say.... riveting analysis, really ground breaking. I am left wordless......
@27 Oh, that's precisely it brit abroad! By offering flights no one can actually say that a solution was not provided to the lack of a LAN flight, unless, of course, the islanders want to be picky in a situation were they cannot have their cake and eat it.
Helber There are no problems with LAN flights! So????????
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0youd get more sense out of Bill & Ben!
@22
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well negotiation of a lot of things could take place but the Falkland islanders control their own destiny and it will take generations for there to be trust to be between Argentina and Falkland. Argentine government has always been a shaky entity whereas London has always been rock solid with no military involvement since the 17th century. OK so Scotland might decide to break away but I would doubt if they'd want to leave the Falklands high and dry. If you were a Falklander what would you do about your predicament? Stay with the UK as you know you will have a future free of dictatorship or conjoin with Argentina who have a poor past record on juntas, the loss of citizens .. night of the long batons and who have constantly denied them the legitimacy to exist.
Falkands will be part of Britain until they deem otherwise.
You will have to play the waiting game.
Beat me to it Greek.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN speech really said it all.
Helber, you seem like a intelligent chap so you must know that trade relations with Argentina are important given its impetuous nature and behavior towards other SA countries that do not agree with it.
Diplomacy usually happens behind closed doors so what we (the general public) see are the outcomes of the diplomacy as opposed to actual events.
Argentina is currently damaging a lot of SA countries with its economic policies designed to protect itself but causing other countries in the region economic problems.
Argentina can only be construed as anti-mercosur and all of the other regional bodies given its economic policies. It's been interesting to watch with other countries in the region also either looking to or have implemented similar policies and what this will inevitably lead to is the split once more of the region. Argentina is acting in its own interests but by doing so is bringing down the whole continent and it seems with all of the recent press releases the other countries are rapidly getting tired or Argentina.
Although all of this will play out with the inevitable failure once more of Argentina's economy.
Yet again everyone talks but the UK.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many times does it have to be made clear that the UK will not talk to the Argentines unless the Islanders wish it to be the case, which lets be frank will never happen.
It doesnt matter what Peru, Uruguay or anyone in south america thinks or does the position as I stated above has not been altered.
Ask cuba if blockades work.
This hot air from the SA countries is for two reasons:
1. they hate the gringos and still have a huge chip on their shoulder about imperialism and colonialism that dies decades ago, and
2. the SA alliance is shaky, they all know it and irrespective of whether Argentina is a crackpot nation, they are desperate to keep SA together, which is fair enough.
At some point rather than talk to the South Americans the UK and the FI will walk away and find another alternative.
Argentina has a simple choice; change their constitution, stop the rhetoric, talk to the Islanders or maintain bad relations forever and a day.
the UK has no incentive to do very much here. the drilling for oil will start soon, the FI are an outpost for the training of our troops, it is the gateway to Antartica and is strategically important for the UK to maintain a presence there.
Looks like the UK is working the RG's, has no intention of talking to them (would you sit round a table with that mad bitch?) and at some point the RG's will do something daft.
@31
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong when you say that 'Falkland islanders control their own destiny'. Your present is to a no small amount controlled by the UK. For instance, all your defense is supplied by them (not that Argentina is thinking of attacking. Thankfully that is a bad and shameful memory of a ruthless dictatorship that a great majority did not support or is proud of). Additionally, Politically speaking the Executive power is vested in the queen not the falklanders themselves. Falklanders don't even elect their own Governor who is actually appointed by the UK. As you can see, the UK is involved in you day to day existence. This is also why the islands are not Subject of International Law. Falklanders cannot sign treaties or sit (with a voting privileged that is) in international bodies. It is, again, the UK who does this for you!
As for your comment of Argentina being 'shaky' in so far as having a history of military regimes, again I diasgree. Although your assessment of Argentina's past (one of military regimes) is spot on, I disagree with your forecast. There is nothing shaky regarding Argentina's present or future insofar as its commitment to democracy is concerned. The military are a discredited institution in Argentina and their continued and consistently decreasing budgets since '82 (as well as their actual judgement for the crimes they committed during '76-'82 -unlike other SA nations who have yet to judge their own for crimes committed) is a testament of this.
@32
First you point out my lack of intelligence and now you commend me! What gives? I'll stay with your later commendation ;)
if your assessment and appraisal regarding Argentina's behaviour and its negative impingements on SA nations is correct, why o why are they supporting Argentina on Malvinas? What have SA nations have to win out of that support? And please don't provide the wife with her period analysis earlier delivered by that Greek imbecile.
@34
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0what does it matter; the UK Government isnt going to sit down and talk to you unless the FI wish it and that isnt going to happen.
what are you going to do about this?
Helber, I didn't say you had a lack of intelligence, I just derided your name calling.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are open to reasonably and intelligent debate then so am I.
Why they support the Falkland's blockade? Simple, SA solidarity.
@36
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, SA solidarity but there are also many historical examples out there of that solidarity collapsing or it being tied to quid pro quo arrangements which does not appear to be the case this time around (at least up until now although I do concede this could change).
In any event Argentine diplomacy has succeeded in two fronts as I highlighted in a previous post:
1) re digging the Malvinas issue from the graveyard of resolved and closed cases.
2) garnering international support around its sovereignty claims.
it now needs a third front
3) making it expensive for the UK to continue refusing to talk.
“Thankfully that is a bad and shameful memory of a ruthless dictatorship that a great majority did not support or is proud of. ”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0????
April 2 the day that Argentina invaded is a national holiday.
Argentina still persists with the use of the of the offensive toponymy, such as Puerto Argentino, conferred during the war.
You don't appear to be that upset about it. Some of us can remember the cheering crowds in the Plaza de Mayo lauding the dictatorship. Some of us remember ordinary Argentines spitting on the Mothers of the Disappeared for being “unpatriotic”.
Funny how now no one supported them....
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Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes; it's about South America's continued efforts to hold itself together.
@37 The price has just gone up again. Another oil industry player has put some of its chips on the table. Perhaps, like me, they think that jingoistic patriotism is so very very Yesterday. International capitalism trumps it every time.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like its all systems go with the Oil exploration:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/40467/falkland-oil-gas-agrees-farm-out-deal-worth-around-us111-mln-40467.html
@37
You dont get it - the UK isnt going to talk to you. Forget it. We have oil to drill for.
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/40467/falkland-oil-gas-agrees-farm-out-deal-worth-around-us111-mln-40467.html
34 Helber
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your understanding of the political system in the Falklands is both wrong and ignorant. I don't care what you think because what you think will have no bearing on what really happens but in case you are interested (you often tell people on hear to learn some history and some facts), this is how it works.
We have 8 elected members of legislative assembly. They are elected by the people of the Falklands. The last general election was in November 2009 when we, the electorate, effected a clean sweep and replaced all 8 incumbent members with 8 new members.
The governor is, as you say, appointed by the UK but he doesn't have the powers you seem to think he does.
The UK provides our defence but you'd have to ask yourself why we have such a large military garrison based on the islands. I doubt Argetina will attack but don't try to tell me they wouldn't just walk right in if the military garrison shut up shop.
Falkland Islanders are free to come and go as they please and they do all the time. The UK government has no say or control over where we live or work.
You're partly correct about the things you say the UK has to do for us but for the purposes of my point, let's say that you are completely correct. We know we aren't independent and we choose to be a British overseas territory. You try to give the impression that the UK forces this upon us. That is simply not true. We are constantly asked what our desires are and we are constantly told if we ever wish to change those desires the UK will help us to.
I think you know it anyway but you are just quite simply wrong. Like I said though, I don't really care what you think.
You've now just become the fifth person (some from both sides) whose posts I can no longer be bothered to read so don't waste your time responding.
@34 “There is nothing shaky regarding Argentina's present or future insofar as its commitment to democracy is concerned” Considering the massive amount of vote-buying that goes on during every election in Argentina, I think you mean 'its commitment to Democracy for sale'.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 You're just talking about negative reinforcement, rather than positive reinforcement of an issue. The reason why Argentina continuously sticks to the path of negativity is because it genuinely has nothing to bring to the negotiation table. Without something positive to bring to negotiations, there will be no negotiations.
I think you underestimate the British or any island nation if you think you can blockade us into talking to you. It didn't work with the Germans and it won't work with the Argentinians.
So with this in mind, what's Argentina's next strategy?
@38 You're right. They say they hate the dictatorship and yet millions came onto the streets in support of the invasion. Even the terrorist activities around that time are warmly regarded by the Argentinians. They say they're ashamed of it, but they're not. Just more hypocrisy.
@Helber Galarga - The falklands oil revenues are worth a couple of hundred million dollars, but two point four BILLION dollars were given to Maximo's hitler Youth in order to upgrade the planes for Belgrano Malvinas Airlines. What did you Le Camping do with the money?
WHAT DID LE CAMPING DO WITH THE MONEY? it's a simple question.
Look at Helber, desperate again, desperate to show how little he knows of the Falkland Islands' constitutional arrangements.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a good move to deal with the military so your country can move forward but remember you have been shamed by it but we had to fight against it. And it is a valid argument to say that it was Britain's efforts that dispatched it and allowed Argentina to move forward.
You are incorrect about the Falklands control of their own destiny, they do control it. The governor is directed by the Falklands legislative. Ok so the Falklands have adopted much of the laws in place in the UK. This is only natural and allows the Falklands to get on with life with a ready made design for life (some laws we can all agree on and some we do not!) with a lot less bureaucratic overhead. logical stuff. with a population of just 3000 it would be non-nonsensical to provide representatives to all international bodies. They pick and choose as befit them. Perhaps they could provide a representive for Unasur?
@38..... from another place...
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Whilst Galtieri may have engineered this for political reasons do not underestimate the Argentinian popular desire to gain the Falklands/Malvinas. On the day the invasion happened I was in Rio Grande. The local population were ecstatic, Etendard and Skyhawks taking off and returning all day. A long and miserable escape to Brasil ensued, seeing and being abused by common Argentinians. Years later I returned to Rio Grande, nothing has changed.First thing you see upon leaving the airport is a big sign....map of the Falklands saying the Malvinas are Argentinian. '
Sounds like popular support to me......tapped into by successive RG governments...
Helber, do please enlighten us as to how it is expensive for UK to not sit and talk about handing over sovereignty against the will of the Islands population?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Costs and levels of defence of the Islands are the same as for many years.
Many British companies and workers are enjoying jobs and business as a result of the current Islands Controlled offshore exploration programme.
The Islands Economy continues to grow and it spends a fair amout of money buying goods and contract staff from UK - thus further assisting UK finances.
Only difference in last few days is that Peru has seriously embarrassed themselves and shown that they are clearly NOT a sovereign country and have to so what someone else tells them to.
Peru is the one with a red face - not UK and not the Islands.
Aerolineas! - can you not get reality- for that airline to actuallly fly here - Arg would have to recogise that we exist and have our own legitimate Govt - as AA would have to comminicate and work with Falkland Islands Govt Departments of:
Civil Aviation
Customs and Immigation
We here can see hell freezing over before Arg would do that!
I am sure that the crew of HMS Montrose would rather have a run ashore in Florida, so no harm done !
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48 I'd rather go to Florida, having some Latin americans slam the door in your face after asking you to come into the house is v.f. rude. USA folk are a bit chubby and loud, but at least they're not rude.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope peru wasn't hoping for us to have nice trade talks in the near future, with that kind of rudeness.
Well looks like the islanders have opposed CFK's offer to replace the LAN flight - Off course they all know CFK ulterior motive was to get control of flights to and from the falklands so she could simply stop all flights, something she has no control off when the flights are from chile - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9154524/Falkland-Islanders-oppose-Argentinian-flight-plan.html
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 18 Helber Galarga (#)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:53 am
So you think that making the British spend money is going to force them to see things yor way?
Let's examine that for a moment.
30 years of Harriers, Phantoms, Tornadoes and now, Typhoons. Hercules, VC10s, guard ships, infantry battalions, AAA, surveillance equipment, destroyers and submarines.
All this and I haven't even mentioned the building of MPA or even the life and treasure invested in recovering the FI from illegal Argentine occupation in 1982.
All this and still, the UK will not negotiate sovereignty. All this and the recent discovery of exploitable hydrocarbons of which Argentina wants 'all or nothing' and suddenly Argentina sees its chance?
The moon is made of cheese feller and KFC knows exactly what she is doing.
from all the replies looks like I hit a nerve *lol*
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51 this 'All or nothing' negotiating policy of Argentina is quite bizarre. They know they're never going to get the Falklands, and yet they stick with this Orwellian 'endless war' that is never going to be resolved... making Cameron or the Queen into Emmanuel Goldstein.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I pity the fools who have been programmed to believe all this nonsense.
LOl talkl about being sore losers, they now blame Maggie of doing everything she could to prevent peaceful solution to the 1982 conflict AFTER they had invaded, and this ex argentine senator even goes as far as calling maggie and alcoholic, though truth is she only used to have a glass of whiskey before dinner, which she later in live replaced with a weaker gin and tonic. Hardly call having 1 glass of whiskey before her dinner would make her an alcoholic as by that definition every argentine that has a glass of wine before bed/dinner would be an alcoholic too. Ohh and this comes from a guy that was a vice president of the UN Human Rights Committee - Lol what a bunch of cry baby sore losers you argentines are, you invaded yet blame maggie for the conflict. What hypocrites you are!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117420/Veteran-Argentine-politician-launches-vicious-attack-Maggie-claims-Iron-Lady-suffered-illness-alcoholism.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
HAHAHAHAH!!!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron into E Goldstein? HAHAHAHAHA
Perhaps the single biggest and richest country in the whole world when it comes to a history of colonialism and imperialism accusing none other than Argentina of it (which if it has a history in colonialism, it is negligible with England)
@55 Helber Galarga (#)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:05 am
Yes. I suppose invading half a continent in implanting .......... What is the term I am looking for now............? Ah yes! Colonists. Colonists who then went on to murder, rape pillage, spread disease and commit genocide is a wee distraction compared to those dastardly British during the better part of 2000 years of doing............ Well just what everybody was doing at the same time.
The British ARE guilty however of being a little luckier than some. A little more successful than others and being in the same playground as the poor abused Argentine bully looking for somebody weak to knock around and nick their dinner money. Only to find out that the FI are a bunch of hard noses who will not be bullied by you and their Mum can rip your dads arms off and beat him up with the soggy ends.
This is how Cristina Kirchner the most corrupt president in all of South America and her cronies get into power:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
@55 You've clearly not read nineteen eighty four if you think it's about colonialism, other than colonialism of the mind. You apparently have no idea about the analogy and then just descend into your usual easy to refute rant about how Argentina isn't made up of colonialists who killed all the first nations people and how the UK started the falklands conflict. It's just nonsense, that no one believes.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Helber Galarga, given that you're in Maximo's Hitler Youth / Le Camping, can you please tell us where the $2.4 BILLION that between 2008 and 2011 was given the Le Camping to buy a new fleet of planes for your flag carrying airline. 10% went on planes, but the remaining $2.1 BILLION remains unaccounted for. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR LE CAMPING DID WITH IT?
Thanks. I appreciate your speedy response.
58.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0????????? buying votes ?????????
I can see the possible confrontation, but i cant see it having an effect of great magnitude. The oil starts to pump and S Americas do what? trade blocks? Sanctions?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0How the oil will start pumping? IMpossible WITHOUT the support infraestructure from the continent.....
brits,Wel done for this PIRATES!!
AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
57
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! Very interesting.
58
Like 59 suggests. Watch the Youtube film (57) and you might find some of that money.
Now for the Malvinistas to come out and tell us that this level of corruption happens everywhere. Well nobody ever paid me to vote for someone.
Chuckle chuckle.
@55 Helber Galarga WHERE IS THE MISSING $2.1 BILLION THAT LE CAMPING WERE GIVEN TO REPLACE THE FLEET OF PLANES?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hate typing in capitals, but he's in Le Camping, so he should know where the money went.
@59 Quite likely. Or up someone's nose.
@60 Why are you so focussed on the £150 Million when £2.4 Billion was spirited away from your nation's coffers? Why don't you give your opinions on that possible act of piracy?
@60 Malvinero1 (#)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:32 am
Oh bugger! You're right! What will we do? What WILL we do?
I think I've got it!
We keep calm and build the infrastructure.
I must be a bloody genius. D'ya think FOGL will give me a job?
LOL! Very interesting.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 058
Like 59 suggests. Watch the Youtube film (57) and you might find some of that money.
Now for the Malvinistas to come out and tell us that this level of corruption happens everywhere. Well nobody ever paid me to vote for someone.
Chuckle chuckle
Really we do not give a damn about extracontinental imperial power.
Well done SA,and kick the bloody imperialist out!!!
The resources are for the people who lives in the AREA!!!
Well DONE SA!
Thanks Peru!
lordtrash: Just go to hell!!
Whatever you say Jack. You're the Master Race.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@64 So let me get this straight... You don't care about $2.1 Billion going missing, all you care about is not having your hands on someone elses £150 Million.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you ever attend any kind of education?
I think he did. He'd call I'd education but I expect we might call it brain washing.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 064 So let me get this straight... You don't care about $2.1 Billion going missing, all you care about is not having your hands on someone elses £150 Million.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you ever attend any kind of education
2 billion missing? From were? For sure it will be far less than to have the brits milk us,as usual.
uk can do nothing WITHOUT the Support infraestructure from the continent.
Just forget it!!
Wll DONE! uk just go to hell to your little island north!
I would ask the British Government and British people to let the very able Kelpers talk for themselves in the media.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The views of the islanders are far more important than the piffle that comes from no.10.
In addition, answering the Ks and the poorly informed people of Argentina lends credence to their cause/claims, when they are best ignored.
The real history of the islands, a history that predates 'modern Argentina'; the hard fact that those who live on the islands will eventually seek/get protection when they wave goodbye to their 'Overseas Pro' status; not too mention their huge wealth and oil reserves will eventually sway/ reverse their neighbours current support of Argentina – should provide the solace required.
Moreover, in the future, these little islands will no doubt pay to have a more significant naval presence that will deter Argentina and anyone else for that matter.
Remember, Argentina's neighbours privately despise them and since the late 1990's, the Argentines are a bit of a joke.
Argentina is an institutionally corrupt nation where nobody trusts anybody. It's a great shame.
Internationally, GB should be quietly fighting to promote understanding of Argentina's deficiencies as a nation state – promote understanding of Argentina's promotion of terrorism, drug and gun running, etc, etc.
MI6 needs to step up its R&D, it’s not hard to uncover the wrongdoings of these cads and the world needs to see the Argentine government for what they really are – gloves off boys.
Do you know that radical Islam has set up shop right under the SI’s nose and is using their dirty money to grow businesses that will fund terrorism in other countries? The agreement is that their guests do not fund terrorism in Argentina nor support or deal with organised crime syndicates like the Federal Police.
When one looks at the Argentine economy and their membership of trade and financial groupings, GB should be lobbying to remove Argentina from the ‘real world’ of international
@68 Well you're in Le Camping, so maybe you can tell us.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Between 2008 and 2011 Maximo's hitler youth were given $2.4 BILLION to renew the Aerolingus Argentinas fleet. 10% of this was spent on one or two new planes and the remaining $2.1 BILLION is unaccounted for.
While you're ranting on about not having £150 MILLION in oil revenues, just tell us where all the £2.1 BILLION went, because, let's face it.. it's about 20 times more, and it disappeared out of Argentina's hands.
We're waiting for your response.
I got chopped!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 069 more> international trade, finance and politics until Argentina pays their creditors, tells the truth about their economy and remove trade barriers.
Remember: There is not anyone in this world today that listens to corrupt and lunatic governments. Come on my Argentine friends, apart from the issue of the Falklands, do you disagree with me?
@64 “The resources are for the people who lives in the AREA!!!”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0That'll be the Falkland Islanders then. Glad we can finally agree. :)
Still at Malvinero1.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0As was explained to you in the other thread, the Falkland Island's can extract and have the oil processed with no support from SA.
It would certainly be easier to process it through a SA country but that really doesn't matter since no support is required from any SA country if they are unwilling to help.
Its simple enough to understand.
@72 I think he was referring to the Mafiosa. They're the only people who make money in Argentina these days.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@64 “The resources are for the people who lives in the AREA!!!”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0That'll be the Falkland Islanders then. Glad we can finally agree. :)
Sure and 3000 people wil have more say than 200 million living in the area.Just forget it....MALVINAS BELOINGS to SA,brits OUT!
It is finished pricks...uk is an anacronic imperial power..It is a matter of time....
Regarding the politicians,well like I have said,the stupid representative system,has bankrupt,uk,USA ,Greece,etc..The solution: Thanks to internet,go to a Direct Democracy,go needs the politicians? They are stupid and crooks.....Peoples Power.,that is my aim in Argentina,and I think we are getting closer everyday
@75 Malviner,where did the $2.1 Billion that your Hitler Youth took between 2008 and 2011 in order to replace the fleet of planes they run go?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You call us crooks, so tell us where all that $2.1 Billion went, and why the Aerolingus Argentinas planes didn't get updated, and then you'll be allowed to say 'crooks'. So where did it go?
200 Million Argentinians are not in the South Atlantic Region. They're in South America. That's not even the same area. Get a map.
Closer to bankruptcy and civil war. Yes. We can see that even if you can't.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0DONT CRY FOR ME UK!!! EXCELLENT JOB ARGENTINA ONCE AGAIN AND FOR GOOD! tell this insipid guy Browne that his visits have been quite useless so far...
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@78 No one is crying, they get to go to Florida instead.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just makes Peru look like a bunch of rude furkers for inviting us in and then slamming the door. That'll do a lot for bilateral relations.
Other than that, it's just another day a the office.
79 GreekYoghurt
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're right, I can imagine the reaction of the crew when the Captain tells them “We can't go to Peru, do you fancy a visit to Florida instead?”
But being Britsh, they will hide their disappointment and just “crack on” with it.............
@75
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 03000 living on their own island have more say on their own island than 200 million way over the horizon.
If we used your logic then perhaps britain should move off its islands because 200 million europeans live with the 300 miles of the UK and they outnumber is by 140million. And perhaps we should grab Belgium because we outnumber them. Its a dismal argument.
“It's a matter time”, great choice of words @75. One day you will grow up, you'll analyse the facts and see the truth. Remember your own country is born out of discovery and colonisation by your spanish forefathers so for you to dismiss the Falklands as illegitimate is the ultimate in hypocrisy. If you campaign to hand back Argentina to the Argentine Amerindians, I'll campaign to hand the Falklands back to the Penguins.
British Navy: “Can we come to Peru and stop for a week?”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peru Folks: “Sure, Come to Peru and experience the famous Peruvian hospitality”
British Navy: “hooray, We'll be there in...”
*PERU SLAMS DOOR IN BRITISH FACE*
American Folks: “You learned your lesson there? Why don't you come to Florida instead?”
British Navy: “HOoORay for civilised people!!”
@75 What an shocking thing to say, so your basically admitting you only want the FI for the oil and gas and would do whatever it takes to get it including killing off the rightful residents?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the rest of SA really think Argentina would share the oil and gas with them?
What would be the consequences around the world. If appalling acts of this nature would be allowed to happen?
Arab countries gang together and kill off the Jews in Israel?
China invade Taiwan?
many more ....
Helber, you wouldn't know what a nerve was even if you managed to hit it... keep trying, your desperation is amusing if anything...
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0again Greek, very meaningful contribution ^^
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0excellent grammar and quite novel exchange between the characters.
You know, you can refrain from posting at times. I mean, you are not compelled to post....
@85 Helber Galarga (#)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:15 pm
You are not compelled to post you know?
You jokers on the Argentine side don't honestly believe that we have no way of exploiting the oil without co-operation from infrastructure and facilities such as docks on the SA mainland. Do you?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is so funny.
3 dreyfuss
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The hole of South America invading the Falklands LOL.
Guys you need to realise,
1. Invading countries is something the Nazi's do.
(Do not tell me about Iraq - that was the American's and few people agreed with it. Two wrongs don't make a right).
2. South America countries use their military to control their own populations, usually aimed at the indigenous populations who are poor in support of the minority European Hispanic population who have lorded it over the Amerindians for hundreds of years. They can not spare any soldiers for expeditionary wars.
3. Anyone who thinks the UN would support a war of conquest is out of touch with reality. I understand most Argentines are, having swallowed their own propaganda since the year zero.
4. If you really think invading the Falklands would be easy, try it. I think you will find it would be extremely difficult. Add in the hole (pun intended) of South America and it would likely end in complete catastrophe.
But like it or not the hole of South America joining forces to invade the Falklands, is about as likely as the hole of Europe joining forces to defend them. In fact it's a pipe dream and it's time to wake up Draftus.
good boy :)
@75 Malverneiro “MALVINAS BELOINGS to SA,brits OUT!”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see, now the Falkland Islands belong to all of South America, not just Argentina? Some sort of backroom dirty deal with your corrupt neighbours to dispossess the Falkland Islanders, in turn you promise them a share of the loot. Typical third world politics.
75 Malverneiro
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America countries use their military to control their own populations, usually aimed at the indigenous populations who are poor in support of the minority European Hispanic population who have lorded it over the Amerindians for hundreds of years. They can not spare any soldiers for expeditionary wars.
The hole of South America joining forces to invade the Falklands, is about as likely as the hole of Europe joining forces to defend them. In fact it's a pipe dream and it's time to wake up Malvino Boy.
@85 You feel ready to tell us where Le Camping took the $2.1 Billion to yet? Or you're going to avoid discussing the fact your country is leaking cash whilst whinging at a pittance.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So where did the money go?
Is this partly a race issue?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the residents of the FI were of Spanish or Portuguese origin and spoke that language, would the rest of Latin America be so against them?
A similar situation to the FI and SA is Bermuda and North America, but no-one has any issues at all, but they speak English like the rest of North America..
Bermuda is also on the 'United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_list_of_Non-Self-Governing_Territories
Your thoughts on this?
“The missing money has obviously gone into some sort of secret long range missile defence system!” - Argie bullshit story number : 3947
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@92 I think it's a Spanish language issue. Most Spanish speaking countries are incredibly poor and corrupt, whereas English speaking countries are less corrupt and typically have a good standard of living.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The poor Spanish speakers are kept in perpetual poverty that the English speakers have managed to evolve themselves out of. Having an English speaking 'nice place' on their doorstep just shows the spanish speaking poor how terribly they're being treated, and it makes them jealous.
Because of machismo they refuse to admit that their governments are to blame. Instead they blame the people who aren't suffering as they are.
Peru
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0has u-turned, and will now allow the ship into a port.
the world should learn English,
yes/no
yes.
Updated:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Navy: “Can we come to Peru and stop for a week?”
Peru Folks: “Sure, Come to Peru and experience the famous Peruvian hospitality”
British Navy: “hooray, We'll be there in...”
*PERU SLAMS DOOR IN BRITISH FACE*
American Folks: “You learned your lesson there? Why don't you come to Florida instead?”
British Navy: “HOoORay for civilised people!!”
*PERU OPENS DOOR*
Peru Folks: “So are you coming in then?”
British Navy: “WHAT THE FURK??!?!”
What happens next.. you choose?
Dial 1 for *PERU SLAMS DOOR IN BRITISH FACE*
Dial 2 for American Folks: “You're not learning your lesson are you.
Dial 3 for British Navy: ”No thanks, you had your chance, now we're going to Florida”
Translation: “In a display of toadying support for Argentina’s laughable claims,” the Peruvian government has announced its decision to render void the protocol visit of a British frigate scheduled to dock in a Peruvian port this week.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This decision has been made contrary to the wishes of the Peruvian Congress following three hours listening to KFC screaming down the phone at me, but she's promised if she ever gets her thieving hands on the Falkland Islands, she'll see to it that I'll be able to retire to the Bahamas with more cash than I could ever dream of, and more cocaine than Maradona could stick up his nose in a month”.
This is how Cristina Kirchner the most corrupt president in all of South America and her cronies get into power:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
@ 94 stelyo
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For all i know that almost everybody can speak English language
in Athens but, you see the Economic situation....
I don^t want to talk about the history of India ,today....
MrClick
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shall we discuss how your controllers have been playing around with your algorithm and made you even less convincing?....or don't you want to talk about that today either?
Whats this then? McClick v2.0?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they should have done more beta testing.
91 GreekYoghurt (#)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You´re waisting your time with that question about the missing 2.4 billion ! I speak fluent Spanish and I have asked it on many debating forums in Argentina and not one person can answer it without out insulting me. I guess they must be part of Le Camping like some of the posters on here *cough* Helber.
@ 100 Idle
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we use the Stelyo's (Youghurt) brain as if we have it,
We should think as like just that the reason of the present US crisis
was derivatived from majority Spanish speaking States like California,,Texas,,Arizona,,New Mexico,,Colorado,,Florida...
and the present crisis of UK was derivatived from British South Asians
What a racism ....
103 McClick
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try reseating your RAM, upgrading your motherboard to the PCI-E format and maybe find a programmer that actually speaks English.
Last month the BBC ran a full magazine Feature on the relative ‘merits’ of the Argentinian and the British positions wrt The Falkland Islands.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a remarkably balanced article and shows the British way of presenting conflicting truths to the British people:
‘Falkland Islands: What are the competing claims?’
‘Nearly three decades after the Falklands War, tensions between the UK and Argentina have resurfaced. The UK insists the Falkland Islands are rightfully the UK's. The Argentine government maintains the islands, which it calls Las Malvinas, belong to it.’
‘But what are the details of each side's legal, historical and geographical claims for ownership? …..
The disputed Islands:
(i) Argentina’s view of las Malvinas
(ii) Britain’s view of the Falklands
Who got there first?
Who settled there first?
How close geographically?
Why claim ownership?
What are the legal claims?
What do the inhabitants want?
What do the leaders say?
Natural resources?
What do commentators say?’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17045169
I feel that the Argentinian government , its media and its people could learn from this approach.
** 104 Idle
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember your “” unwanting to understand reflexity “” as before I saw mant times in Mercopress forums..
What a conning and manipulative behaviour !
What a failure to take reponsibility for self action,and instead blamimg others.
The ZX81 strikes back!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@102 I know. They refuse to admit that their finances are dwindly through simple corruption. Instead these weak minded fools focus on 'angry shouting' about oil worth $150 Million.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're hilarious. Even the argentinians who pretend to be intelligent are clearly in Le Camping and refuse to discuss where all their government's finances are evaporating off to. Now they're getting another $3 Billion from the world bank that they're going to disappear on new trains (you'll never see any new trains).
I personally find it very very funny.
I am very successful here to destroy your all memorizes of course this causes up some nervousness....very normal ..!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0109
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! What the bloody hell is that meant to mean? LOL!
@McClick
Mar 20th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said open the pod bay door please HAL.
All your base are belong to us.
“All your base are belong to us”, a great quote from the 1982 British vs Nazi-Mafia war.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAL could read lips. McClick couldn't even read a STOP sign!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ah but he does try, its not his fault the childrens library,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only has it in double dutch lol.
“HMS Montrose on her way back to the UK and will be replaced by HMS Dauntless...”
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If she is on her way back to the UK - what business does this ship have in Peru? Absolutely none at all.
The British have now released a statement expressing their “disappointment” with Peru's decision yet it is the UK that continues to provoke Argentina by sending warships to South America! They are not wanted here. Not in the Malvinas, not in Chile, and not in Peru!! When will they get the message?
115 Troneas
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What utter delude indoctrinated rubbish,
Brainwashed or what.
Come now live in the real world,
They send a British ship, to British territory,
Argentina sends ships to argentine territory,
So where is the difference?
If anyone is not wanted in south Americas its deluded sheep that follow the CFK
To ruin a once great country, the last thing innocent hard working argentines need is a viper like you guys.
Just a hissing thought.
.
@116. Peru is not British territory. The Brits know the Malvinas is a sensitive issue right now yet they negotiate with South American countries the parade of a warship? Coming from the Malvinas no less?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next time they could negotiate sending HMS Dauntless to Buenos Aires for a “protocol visit”.
Idlehands - Post 107/113 made me laugh!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This many comments on this subject indicate the effectiveness of CFK´s way to take the subject of a sinking economy and turn it into a useless discussion again of the Falklands/Malvinas.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you have never heard of ships visiting other countries no .
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0115 Troneas
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What message is that then?
Chuckle chuckle
@106 McClick WTF? You must have lost something in Google Translation, or maybe suffered a stroke? Wibble! :))
Mar 20th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To anyone not following this conversation McClick is not a nutter sat at a PC - it's a bot.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This sort of thing: http://www.alicebot.org/about.html
@123 Idlehands “Artificial Intelligence” I don't think so. 'Artificial Idiocy' perhaps :D
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he has already been barred by the mods once as i'm pretty sure the first incarnation was MrClick rather than McClick
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116. Peru is not British territory.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It might be in 30 years. Do you honestly believe that Peruvians really care if they are ruled by other Peruvians who rob them blind and ignore their wishes. Much better they are ruled by us Brits- same applies to Argentina.
@ 124 Alexy
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alexei seems like a Russian name ?
Would you answer me to below Russian question with Latin letters ?
Pabreyta Menya ??
well, we see where the Montrose goes now......
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0En mi país a esto le decimos FRENADA DE GUSANO...... I hope Montrose have enough oil to goes to new ports OUT OF SUDAMERICA.
Soon we cut fligths to!!!
Helber que buen nombre te elegiste...almost british!!
Englander same irony?
Regards
@128 That just looked like you vomited words onto the page. I cannot understand any of it, except the bit about cutting flights.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you're cutting flights because your national flag carrier has run out of cash... so it's not different.
@ 124
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gaspadin Alexei !
where are you....?....
please don't say me .....Ya Zabludilsya ...!
Britain was forced to plead with the US to take part in the flotilla in the Persian Gulf after American commanders decided the Royal Navy had nothing to contribute to the mission.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is having a hell of a time to find a port in South America.
Uruguay says go away
Brazil says get the hell out
Peru says f... off.
Only a turkey will allow your HMS garbage.....sorry actually Turkey takes your HMS crap...for scrap metal only.
@131 but they'll ALWAYS be welcome in the Falklands, and back home in blighty.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That fact is enough to keep the sailors happy.
I look for a friend who can assits to Alexei how to use Google Translation !
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't like any of this. I have very serious objections to the UK government and how it behaves, but I have nothing against British people in general (in spite of the fact some here make a great effort of being perversely abrasive).
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This spite-a-thlon from both sides leads to nowhere. You don't call people down by goading them in the chair-cheeks. I really can't get worked up in hating the British people, just like I can't get worked up in hating (because of other issues), the Brazilians, or Chileans, or Uruguayans, or the Arabs, or the Jews, etc, etc, etc.
Either I'm getting tired, or old, or both. Maybe learning about other cultures helps, maybe... too.
@131 - I'm sure it's no great loss to the British. There are far nicer places to dock than the cruddy little dictatorships of South America.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Places like Somalia, or Burma, or North Korea... or an active volcano.
@106 - Please get help, McDick.
@55 - Shouldn't you be over at Maximo's, getting undressed?
Why don't we just bring back “spheres of influence” in South America? They clearly cannot run their own countries, and most of them are useless in battle. Also, a country like Peru definitely won't mind, as its people have no sense of cultural identity. If they are told they are Venezuelan, they are Venezuelan. If they are told they are Argentine, they are Argentine.
If I was the captain of this vessel, I'd have opened fire on the Peruvians and they would have run for the hills, quivering in their ponchos!
@136
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like a man with post-rejection stress syndrome. The Peruvians have an incredibly rich cultural history.
(109)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a bit harsh....don't injury their memorizes.....
They write virtually like the poem even if some of them odds and ends.
@18 Hi, half-breed. Get this. There is nothing argieland can do that the UK can't do a thousand times better. So close to your world of pain!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 You must have fantastic vision. You can see something only a limited number of argies and no-one else can see. Does this ability come from your heritage or from desperation?
@26 You're having a larf! Take a look at how much time and money gets wasted through south america because of argieland's ridiculous rules. And it wasn't a rumour, unless CFK is into publicly starting rumours now! And, if you haven't been keeping up, CFK has already offered 3 AA flights instead of the operated by LAN. An “offer” that has already, I believe, been rejected with ridicule.
@29 Unfortunately, you aren't left wordless!
@34 Pity you get so much wrong. All the defence (with a “c”) is not supplied by the UK. Politically, Her Majesty has little executive power (unfortunately). The Governor is little more than a figurehead. Have you heard of something called the Falkland Islands Government? And argieland is SOOOO shaky, we should rename it quakeland.
@37 Isn't going to happen!
@52 I think you “hit” our funny bone.
@60 Watch and learn!
@64 You may have noticed that the Falkland Islanders live in the AREA!
@78 Drip of the day!
@85 So why do you?
@99 Pity you can't!
@103 See!
@115 Reset (There is no Malvinas). Stop Press. British warships wanted in Falklands!
@117 Reset (There is no Malvinas). It's called a “courtesy call”. You know, sailing by, drop in and say “Hi!” Actually, the next British “visit” to the BA slum could be by Tomahawks.
Hey, proper people, I've just thought of a new mnemonic. Star Wars = Death Star. Argieland = Death Wish!
@127, 130, 133 How long do you practice every day to be a prick?
@128 This is beyond you, Rosie. Sod off!
Time to re-equip RN vessels! Agree a port call - fine. Refuse an agreed port call - RN vessel lays minefield by stealth! Followed by RN submarines laying triple minefields. Do NOT upset Britain!
The latest take on this mildly amusing story of everyday politics:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1787-Peru-UK-canceled-ship%E2%80%99s-visit-says-minister/
It was a UK decision so honour is salved. How very British.
@136 - That depends which Peruvians you're talking about. The Incas? If such a “rich culture” exists within Peru's Hispanic population, then tell me... why do they continually vote in leaders who do nothing but appease nations like Argentina, humiliating the people (the vast majority of whom, couldn't care less what ships pass into their ports). When Peru does stuff like this, it effectively proves itself as a vassal state.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@139 That story is utter bollox. The FCO said it was disappointed by the fact the peruvians cancelled the visit.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems the peruvians are trying to double deal.
Either way, the sailors get to go to USA or somewhere nice.
Alexei disappointed me .....Oçen jal .. Alexei .. Oçen jal.....!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK and TinMan have to find out from reading the BA Herald, what the British are up to in other parts of S America. - Lol
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@94 GreekYoghurt
I have to say, having been to some affluent Spanish speaking places, and some very poor English speaking ones, I do not believe being poor is a function of speaking Spanish.
@115 Troneas
Where the British send there warships is no business of Argentina’s.
Whether they are wanted in Peru or not, is a decision for the Peruvians, not Argentina.
When are you going to get the message, you do not get to tell other countries what they can or cannot do.
@131 Marcos Alejandro
They will just have to settle for a week in Miami, obviously they will be disappointed, but “stiff upper lip” and all that, they will just have to “grin and bear it” as we say. Fortunes of war what!
All very nice, these Argies having a vested interest in the royal navy,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But as said before, if other countries refuse them permission to dock, that is their problem, they cant come back later and say, sorry, their decision will have consequences,
It does not bother the British in the slightest; our ships have ranges of thousands of miles,
And have good experience of dealing with nasty natives.
But the fact that Argentina has no navy, as sorts, and thus cannot/do not visit anyone, shows how envious and jealous you guys are,
We would not mind, except it is your own government that is humiliating and embarrassing you, not the outside world.
Sadly it looks like CFK and her bloggers are destine to steal the crumbs of brazils table, is it not .
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'the fact that Argentina has no navy' is why you never see them making visits to Peru.....
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 144)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you belting down ?
I never read a comment which says about- defend Argentina in this forum.
The left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing. The other South American countries say one thing to the RG's and one thing to the UK.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Set of spineless untrustworthy twats.
Seriously what a fuck on of a continent. morally and economically bankrupt and willing to have it shoved up their arses by Argentina. How low can you go.
I never read a comment which says about- defend Argentina in this forum
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interesting, neither did eye.
was it out of context?
but was it pressure of CFK or pure loyaly, or as some belive a incompetent person.
just an impression .
@131 - “Britain was forced to plead with the US to take part in the flotilla in the Persian Gulf after American commanders decided the Royal Navy had nothing to contribute to the mission.”
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get your facts rights Marcus - The Americans originally intended for it to be an American only operation, which Britain was quite happy to stay out off, it was only when the french and germans begged the Americans to allow there ships to make it an multinational operation did America relent and allow french and german ships to be involved - This led to Britain sending a ship in order to not be out done by the french and germans.
@149 Get your facts rights Coffeboy
Mar 21st, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain had to plead with US to take part in Iran flotilla”
The Telegraph 06 Feb 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9064697/Britain-had-to-plead-with-US-to-take-part-in-Iran-flotilla.html
Marcos,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0he has got his facts right! Read the article again....god youre tiring!!!!!!
usurpers
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@150 - Marcos, do you enjoy being a clown?
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am getting more and more interested by the fact that the vast majoirty of the RG supporters on here do not respond to the missing 2 billion question!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I have read, malvinero responded once but that was because he didnt even know about it (which is not a surprise), Tobais may have responded once by making his usually hilarious posts about maybe it was spent on some secret weapon to kill middle easterners (the guy is a frickin facist - possibly a closet one). other than that everyone else avoids the question like the plague, even their KFC shugs her shoulders.
So who is going to dig the dirt on it? What does it say in the RG papers? any chasing-up on the issue?
@154 - Don't expect coherent replies from the Malvinas squad. People like Pepegaletta and Marcos don't even know what's going on in their kitchen most of the time.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@marcus #150 - I suggest you learn to read the articles you link too and not just the headline that is hardly ever factual but mere attention grabbing marketing ploy. Because if you had read the article in question you would have seen this bit, and i Qoute from the article you just linked too:
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“British ministers initially signalled they would accept the Washington’s conclusion that did not need allies to take part.
But the British position changed after Mr Sazkozy insisted to the US that a French warship must be present in the flotilla. ”
Now brit abroad had kindly confirmed, much appreciated by the way brit abroad. I had in deed got my facts right and it is you that was wrong all along, as my facts are confirmed by that very above qoutation that i took from the very article you are foolishly trying to pass off as evidence to support your own false assertions.
Now i suggest you be a good boy and finish your homework, and learn the real facts, before you go to bed tonight. ;-)))
Very Good Perú!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0149 Pajeroboy2 aka Teaboy
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said @149 “which Britain was quite happy to stay out off”
The article says “A Whitehall confirmed the sequence of events and described the international negotiations over the flotilla as “humiliating” for Britain”
Quite happy? It's clear that the Americans didn't want those stupid, useless and annoying little flies around their ships.
God Marcos!!!!!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still barking up the same tree with no point i see!
We all know the Americans did not deem it necessary for any further vessels from other countries participating. Full STOP!
France followed by germany and then the UK asked to have some sort of presence (why? God only knows). Full stop!
Americans initially said no thanks. Full STOP!
France said please as did the rest. FULL Stop!
America Agrees
From the Americans side it was more about coordination, which is always better with your own team than having other nationalities along side.
So now to the flies! So you saying the french and german ships are flies also?
I'm bored by this. I thought we were talking about how Peru is another one of argentina's neo-gimps.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0however, apparently we are not.
@158 - Confirmed squence of events yes, but confrimed we actually went begging? NO
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0All that whitehall confrimed was that it was originally intended to be an american only excercise and that france followed by germany and toehr european nations excluding the UK, pleaded with the US to allow them to have their ships included in the fortilla. It was only learning other european ships were going to be involved, which the americans actually told us about, that we asked to be part of it which the americans said yes to straight away without even having to think about it. I hardly call that begging. Also the telegraph is well known for taking what people said out of context. Was it humilating for us, no it was not as the spokesman for whitehall was clearly talking about the international negotiations a reference to france and germany begging, which was nothing to do with the UK.
Apparently the British government must now decide if they will carry on with the deal they are setting up with Peru, should go ahead or be scrapped,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again the real leader of south America CFK wins and everybody else stands to lose,
They really do need to get together and boycott CFK we thinks .
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@152 Cero
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usurped
puhol unscrupulous pirate (sorry for the triple redundancy)
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amnesty - Argentina's 10% Amerindian population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment in THEIR OWN LAND - http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when was the last time Argentina offered its military resources to help another country or people, i understand they used to murder their own people wasn't it the Naval Engineering school that killed 3000 of their own citizens. No cant think of anything they have ever done???
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@164 Cero
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(sorry for the triple redundancy) - que ?
Peruvians here is Argentinians - Amnesty - Argentina's native population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is my cousin Adolfo in London making fun of your stupido english army
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E
pirates go home to england
Las Malvinas son Argentina
@169 He should really just have shot the silly little b***** :))
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your imaginary islands might well be Argentine, but The Falkland Islands are most certainly not, look: http://photos.igougo.com/images/p276130-Falkland_Islands-Colorful_Welcome_to_Port_Stanley.jpg
@169
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupiod army, sails 8000 miles. Lands under air attack. Marches across 90 miles of the the worlds worse terrain. Carrying 120 pound packs with all they need to fight. Attacks and defeats 3 times their number in entrenched positions. Fuck, thats what I call a stupido army. Hate to meet a professional army.
170 Alexei
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I see. You're confuse. You think you live in uk. You should take the first plane tu europe
@171 to be fair there was a lot of stupido things going on in the British Army at the time (e.g. Putting all your chinooks on one boat). But you're correct, they still managed to categorically squash the opposition.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 166 cLOHO: “when was the last time Argentina offered its military resources to help another country or people”
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0HOW SILLY, You really believe that the US, Israel, the UK, Japan or Spain use armies to “help another people”? War is business for corporations that have no national flags.
Violence is not cured with more violence. The worst PEACE is better than the best WAR.
Thanks god Argentina didn't have to offer its military resources to help another country or people, in the last years Argentina gave diplomatic support to many Latinamerican countries to avoid Coup D'Etats (Ecuador and Bolivia for example) and it worked really...
Argentina hasn't got a significant army anyway... something to be proud of. Money is being spent in education / health / salaries.
I guess you also believe that IRAK or AFGHANISTAN war helped the people living in those countries, no?
Look at this image:
http://www.borderexplorer.org/2009/07/4th-of-july-quotes-from-howard-zinn.html
Maybe you should stop watching hollywood movies, those that look so criminal to you may not be so bad and characters you believe to be heroes may hide criminal secrets at the end of the day.
Money is being spent in education / health / salaries.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hehe
i think you mean money is being lost! Where are the billions designated for your airlines????
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