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Peru denies President Humala coming UK visit; confirms May trip to Argentina
Peruvian Foreign Affairs minister Rafael Roncagliolo denied President Ollanta Humala had accepted an invitation to visit London next month, Lima’s El Comercio reported Tuesday in the front page. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPeru and the south american continent will one day rue the day they took the side of the Argentines and tried to make the UK look foolish. The south americans can laugh all they want but there will undoubtedly be a payback for this diplomatically or economically.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The SA are not playing a very sophisticated game and it will backfire on them.
@1 I think they already rue that day. Having foreign relations with a country that doesn't treat you like the Gimp is always nice.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly for them, they've rejected her majesty's Navy, they're not visiting... and quite likely they're going to run to KFC for some special time before getting more sanctions.
None of this undignified sycophancy is having any effect on the Falklands that just goes on as normal. South American countries seem to like being insincere flatterers grovelling in excrement.
I don't understand how some countries educate their children as blackmailer and put them on to internet ..!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The irony of this matter is that there is a unanimous rejection by Peruvians in general, politicians and mainstream media in that country about Argentina's interference in Peru's international relations, specifically with the United Kingdom.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current Foreign Affairs Minister of Peru, Mr. Roncagliolo has been subpoenaed by Congress to explain such incoherent and abrupt decision to void the permit given for the HMS Montrose to dock in the El Callao port this week. As a result of this nonsense, Roncagliolo most likely will be removed from such important cabinet position due to his incompetence and lack of criterion for handling an issue that was not directly related to the Falklands controversy.
I don't understand how some countries educate their children persistent focus on gratifying their own needs at the expense of others.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Minister Jeremy Browne:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your visit to CHILE:
1) President Piñera not received you despite your pleas.
2) Your meetings with ministers in Chile did not have any practical effect, however...
3) .. could not avoid an statment from president Piñera few days later of full support from Chile to Argentina's position on Malvinas.
Your visit to Peru:
1) You formally invited president Humala to UK and he does NOT accept, instead.....
2) ..he chosoe to make an official visit to Argentina in May
3) Peru joining the refusal of Chile, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina and complete Latin America....and NOT allow to dock your loved RN destructor in the ports of Lima.
The question I wanna know is ........ ............ ..........
Could you at least know Machu Pichu ?
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@1 the uk doesn't need help to look foolish. latam has been releasing statements about this for months and yet they send this guy to negotiate a warship coming from malvinas to dock in peru? if they want to look even more foolish they can continue to ask uruguay, chile, brazil, ecuador...
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do say, that impressions count, and the impression the world seems to get at the moment, is who is in charge of south America, the impression denotes that Argentina is running south America, making decision for other countries,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No this is not in anyway embarrassing CFK or Argentina,
But it is embarrassing and humiliating for these countries in South America, who not only support her, but seems to give her authority to decide the foreign relations for them.
It may well not be true, but the impression is there, is it not .
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Hell on in the Peruvian govt over this decision:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95914/peruvian-opposition-divided-after-humala-cancels-british-frigate-permit
ironic how most of you mock how insistent in their declarations and speeches south america and argentina is about the malvinas issue but still, the UK GOVERNMENT doesn't get it - despite boring you to death to read up or listen on the same statements. How else can you explain they send a diplomat to bring a warship into a south american country?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina went screaming and crying to the Peruvians once they learnt the ship was going to dock and the minister caved in.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95890/peruturn
@10 we can send warships where the fuck we want. Its got absolutely fuckall to do with Argentina. I see you have gone crying to the Peruvians now about the nasty British. Wanker...
@11 No, obviously you cannot send warships “where the fuck you want”.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Peru say that our warships can dock in their port what the fuck does it have to do with you? absolutely fuckall. Keep your nose out of our business. Its fairly obvious that the other SA countries are only doing your bidding after you have screamed and wailed at them.
Looks like Argentina is starting to put the continent on a war footing. someone is going to get severely smacked by the Uk Armed forces very shortly if they start a war. Argentina will of course be first.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95921/cfk-thanks-peru-over-frigate-incident-calls-for-regional-joint-defence-against-militarization-of-south-atlantic
there is no doubt in my mind that the RG's are itnent on causing a war over this and trying to drag the whole of the SA continent in to it. It'll be interesting too see at what point the Brazilians, Peruvians etc. walk away and tell her that she is on her own.
Its called coward leaders: I´m not sure what was said in the meeting but “back stabbing” comes to mind ! They will be nice as pie face to face and then one phone call from botox lady all of a sudden they have a change of mind ! I wonder what she threaten the president of Peru with, maybe a kiss !
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peru and the rest of SA should realise they are making themselves look immature and amateurish pulling stunts like this.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina President is an extremely dangerous person and it intent on doing whatever she can to drag the whole of south america into this. It is a complete waste of time because the UK has told the whole world what the craic is - nothing happens unless the FI want something to happen.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its quite interesting this situation because I would say 95% of the UK is completely oblivious to what is going on in the FI. however the fact that UK warships keep popping up in the news every now and again is obviously meant to happen and i wouldnt be surprised if we have engineered this bit of propaganda ourselves just as reminder of who we are, where we are and how we can pop up at any time anywhere we want.
the whole of the continent is now starting to allow themselves to be sucked into this and playing the RG's game, all to mask her economic woes.
the UK all the while plans and schemes and readies themselves.
CFK thanks Peru over frigate incident, calls for regional 'joint defence' against militarization of South Atlantic
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95921/cfk-thanks-peru-over-frigate-incident-calls-for-regional-joint-defence-against-militarization-of-south-atlantic
@13. Grow up. During the Malvinas war Thatcher went screaming to France about the Exocets.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin America understand that the Malvinas, are Argentinean. That means no illegal flagged vessels, no warships, warplanes and so on from the UK.
Find other places to perform protocol military docking and landings. Perhaps the Diego Garcia natives might be happy if you visit... Oh wait...
@18
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fuckoff man.
Latin america are bowing and scraping to that witch you have in charge for no apparent reason other than she hasnt had her medication. She is a witch of a woman, has totally lost it and will lead the whole continent into a conflict that you have no hope of winning. Someone like Brazil needs to grow a backbone and tell her to shut the fuck up.
You didnt read my post. If a SA country is happy to have our ships dock then it has fuckall to do with you.
the Falklands (there is no such thing as Malvinas) have always been British, will always remain British and to be honest there is absolutely fuckall you can do about it. not a thing.
like we say, CFK rules south America,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but wont be CFK that carries the can, they will,
CFK will just get a visit, sas springs to mind .
@9 - I am intrigued by this article. Perhaps a sign that South American government officials are sensing the danger signs. Perhaps they are looking to history and seeing Argentina's military failures compared with British successes. Perhaps if another war does begin, these officials do NOT want to be dragged in for such a wretched cause as Argentina's.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This should be brought up at the UN, this blatant show of hostility on the part of Kirchner's belligerent government and their submissive friends all over the continent. If they had done this to a US ship, I can guarantee the response would have been immediate outrage (regardless of what Obama wants, our military would have hopefully told him to keep his limp wrist out).
Another example of the growing confidence of certain third world nations in their ability to insult far more powerful military forces.
Peru should watch its step from here on in. It would be a shame to see them go the way of so many other similar countries which are now under different management.
@19. And what does Obama have to do with this conflict? Fuck all as well. Yet Cameron went crying to him last week.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What conflict are you talking about? There hasn't been a war in continental South America for centuries.
The only overseas country with capabilities to start a war in South America and get away with it is the US. The UK doesn't even have an aircraft carrier any longer they couldn't hope to take Guyana even if they tried. Well maybe Guyana...
This is not 1980 any more a war brought here by a foreign country would not sit well with any south american country I cannot believe I'm even explaining this to you.
This is how Cristina Kirchner of Argentina and her cronies get votes:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
Well I have said this before, how long can CFK go unanswered, how long can Argentina operate above and out side of international law.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0great Britain may well have something up its sleeve, and almost certainly is being prepared, but the impression this gives CFK is that she can do what she wants , when she wants , and where she wants , and to whom she wants , and this is giving legitimacy to other wanabe dictators,
And the UN is as helpful as Gonorrhoea
22 Troneas
Again not true,
If only you knew .
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@22
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the south american countries would opt out and leave you too it. Not a hope in hell that they would fight your wars for you. there is no doubt that very shortly one of the SA countries is going to break ranks, in fact the Peruvians may already have done it.
as for “taking a country” what are you talking about? the UK will not take anyone. what we will do this time though for sure is flatten your military bases from thousands of miles away and leave you defenceless.
We have no interest in landing on anyone's mainland. What do we get out of that? absolutely nothing.
the UK is saying very little which is a sure danger sign for the RG's. You look as though you are about to step over a line that should not be crossed. Once you do there will be no way back for your govt. They will have to go the whole hog.
Oops, looks like its going to cost the moron his job.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95914/peruvian-opposition-divided-after-humala-cancels-british-frigate-permit
Seems that feeling was strongly against blocking the visit in both political and media circles.
It's a shame these countries cower to Argentina because the UK is a mighty force and when it acts decisively these countries do not want to be caught in the crossfire. This can only go on for so long before the UK strikes back.
It's also disappointing that they've cowered to Argentina when its not the wishes of his country or people.
@26
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have every confidence that the UK will play this one sweet as a nut.
they are allowing Argentina to spout off at the mouth seemingly with impunity and at some point they will definately get cocky, overstep the mark and they will absolutely be put in their place.
the RG's are right on the brink and I think that the rest of the continent knows it too.
@25. That is all baseless supposition. Even the EU would condone any military action from the UK.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't you tired of wars anyway? Isn't it enough to bombard Iraq and Afghanistan to the dark ages? (only to name the most recent ones) And now setting your eyes on Iran?
With such a history of recent wars Im not surprised Iran wants nuclear weaponry. Heck if I were the leader of a country that has all that foreign military buildup just offshore you bet I would want all the nuclear arsenal I could hope for...
But the funny thing is that you people claim to be civilized, and sensible. Yet at the end of the day your rhetoric end up with allusions to war, missiles, bombs and so on and so forth.
@22 - By 2016, Britain will have two of the best aircraft carriers around, with more than enough power to wipe any South American hell hole off the globe, and let's be honest. Even if you attacked the Falklands tomorrow, it would take until 2016 to mobilize all your lazy soldiers.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's more, Cameron did not go “crying to Obama” as you put it. He was invited for a state dinner. I know in South America, you wouldn't bother to attend such a thing, because you'd be too busy greasing your hair and beating off to posters of Luis Miguel while chewing coca leaves , but civilized countries actually do things like state dinners (however terrible the host may be). In the end, he got a good compromise.
Obama said he'd stop pushing the issue (that must have been a blow to your morale. No more support from our golfer-in-chief :D)
In any case, you shouldn't underestimate British military capabilities. Hitler, the Kaiser, Napoleon, Galtieri, and a few Spanish kings made a similar mistake, if my history serves me ;)
28 Troneas
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just like your leader,
you started it, and now want to back out,
the other nations know something is in the wind, and they are begining to get very nervouse
Argentina is like any school play ground bully, willing to run its mouth off at weaker opponents and anyone it doesn't think will fight back.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....But when challenged by a fighter it runs away crying victim.
If im correct, the royal navy has never been beaten in a war,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina has never fought a naval war,
Am I right .
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@29. Another moron who just wants to mock ignoring simple facts. Haven't you heard CFK attended a State dinner in Chile just last week?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont underestimate British military capabilities. I just ignore them. I was answering (probably a mistake) to The Cestrian who, like you it seems, thinks that the UK can still ran over the sovereign decisions of States with weapons to get their way. And the simple answer is no - they can't.
The US is the only country that can still do that not only because of their military standings but because they are an extremely influential country given its size and economy as well. They can take a huge diplomatic hit and survive it.
The UK is not the #1 economy in the world, it does not have vital strategic resources like Russia might, their economy is stalled, and its size is smaller than Uruguay.
So lets take a U-turn here back to the serious discussions shall we?
@28 - You guys really do have a thing for rogue, Islamic theocracies, don't you? This is maybe the twentieth Iran-sympathy speech I've read on here in the past few weeks. It seems Iran's terrorism on Argentinian Jews didn't matter too much. Then again, you did harbor the people who murdered their families in Treblinka and Auschwitz for several years.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please continue to support Iran's push for nuclear weapons! It only discredits your pathetic country to the point of no return. haha
No lets not Troneas, the UK does NOT NEED TO ENTER DISCUSSIONS against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK really doesn't need to engage its military since it can badly hurt any SA country diplomatically or economically. The UK is still a world force that holds the highest seats of world bodies, EU, NATO, UN etc and can still inflict damage to other countries through trade and diplomacy.
For instance the UK could withdraw its support for Brazil for their permanent seat on the UN and even block it should they wish to do so.
Lets not kid ourselves the UK is still a very capable opponent.
So you can take your negotiations which are against the wishes of the Islanders and stick them because clearly they are not going to happen.
@32. You are wrong. Argentina has faught naval wars in the 19th century under Guillermo Brown, against the Empire of Brasil, Uruguay, Britain and France.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here are a few links (in spanish):
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaña_naval_de_1841_(Guerra_Grande)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaña_naval_de_1841_(Guerra_Grande)
@33 - “ignore” the UK's military capabilities? Ask the crew of the Belgrano how that went for them. haha
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0P.S., to U-turn back to a serious discussion, you do realize you'd have to leave, right?
@37. South America can continue to ignore the UK capabilities to deny their warships from docking. That is what this is about.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gloat all you like about your nuclear weapons and what not but that won't get you far in South America. This is not the middle east - here you will have to negotiate like civilized people do.
36 Troneas
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I stand corrected,
But no naval conflict between the UK and Argentina, except 1982.
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How arrogant of you to suggest negotiating like civilised people, Argentina has shown time-and-time again not to be open to negotiation.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0There can be no negotiation your own constitution says so!
You really are anything but civilised with your crass displays and trying to colonise the islands against the wishes of the Islanders.
There will be no negotiation with such a arrogant and egotistical nation and if you up the stakes prepare for retaliation, it really is that simple.
I think you are getting ahead of your self,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British would use her weapons only in self defence,
But to ignore British conventional forces would be a very costly mistake,
We have no intention of attacking anyone,
We will only retaliate,
We have nothing to prove, but all to gain,
CFK has a lot to gain, but everything to lose .
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@28 - Ummmm, no.... Let's be 100% clear here. As long as the West is at the top of the food chain (where it will remain), any of its countries can put South America exactly where it wants it. The only reason this isn't happening is because of our better nature. We don't like dictating, killing, bombing etc. but nations like the UK and the US as well as several others are willing to do it if we have to (after all, we've done so in the past). Remember, the UK could have DESTROYED Argentina during the Falklands War, but they DIDN'T because they CHOSE not to kill Argentine civilians. They could have (and still can).
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not make the mistake of thinking you are immune because you haven't been touched in the same way Korea and the Middle East have, yet. Right now, you're the prime candidates for the next hot zone (In light of Iran's flirtation with fat Chavez, and the fact that KFC appears to have stopped her medication). What's funny is, the UK hasn't done anything to cause this escalating situation. It has ALL been you, so if cruise missiles begin raining down on Buenos Aires, try not to cry. :)
42 Stefan
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is correct,
Have you not heard of entrapment,
You do all the pushing, think we will do nothing; the world would condemn us,
And that would be CFK’S biggest and last mistake,
No one will condemn Britain for defending its self or its territory,
You would be seen clearly as the aggressor,
And you will feel the force,
In the meantime, a nice cuppa will suffice .
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http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/argentina-calls-for-joint-defence-of-the-south-atlantic/
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@44 - Good! KFC has an ultimatum. Let's see how many governments are willing to jump on her sinking ship.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am very proud of the Peruvian people and their government’s attitude, which honours the history of the struggle against colonialism”
Struggle against colonialism? I wonder when this occurred. Was it when the Peruvians murdered the Incas, or when the Argentinians murdered the Patagonians?
In retaliaton the UK must send back ALL the peruvian inmigrants to peru. If they chose to stay with CFK then must pay the price. If it doesn´t teach this guys to honour their word (like they have never done it) at least Great Britain will look and be more clean without these guys.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The photo looks very fun! Browne looks very proud of his work. I guess He was thinking ... mission accomplished i am a very smart diplomatic! 1...fool!, I think Mr Bean could have done better
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 042 Stefan (#) What brilliant reasoning! LOL you must go to Hollywood, you have talent and sell your script to do a movie, with robots and a Superman with Uk Flag catching the villains Chavez and CFK at the end and confining they to a remote island... errr.. the Falklnads, to save the world.
44 Lord Ton (#)
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0She sounds like a dictator trying to rally her troops “ Argentina’s President, Cristina Fernandez called upon South American countries to band together to jointly defend against, what she called, the ‘militarization’ of the South Atlantic. Only problem with this ! there is no militarization there is no aggression on Britain's part, She almost sounds like a solider coming back from a war with war syndrome or maybe she just got PTSD ! Man what medication is she on ... I heard she might be taking xanax, Prozac and Ritalin but I think she got something else in the mix as well !!
Also to add ! Foreign Minister Roncagliolo justified the decision while addressing reporters and said that the UK Ministry of State for Foreign Affairs, Jeremy Browne, was told of the measure during his visit to Lima on Friday. but the response tell us that he is lying because the UK embassy in Lima said in a communiqué that it regretted that Browne was not informed of the decision during his visit and stressed the fact that “Great Britain is committed to the islanders right of self-determination and that will not change.” do they all lie out of there teeth ! for what ! Miss botox on a lot of pills ! so there seems to be a split on the decision and there goes Miss Botox queen of fairly land with her comments ”I am very proud of the Peruvian people and their government’s attitude, which honours the history ” hmmm don't think so Miss demanding.... try again !
@47 - Who said anything about robots! haha. Stupid Malvinista!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone needs to calm down. It was a courtesy visit not a military setback.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let them carry on as they are simply displaying to the world how Latin America works.
If the best they can do is rescind an invite to a ship that has no particular need to be there then who cares? Argentina has used up a lot of political capital with Peru to achieve this. Their Congress is up in arms and many Peruvians now feel humiliated that their foreign policy is being directed by Buenos Aires. That can't continue forever. The dispute is now costing Peru as I doubt they like being embarassed on the world stage.
CFK is like a storm blowing itself against a rock face - she will eventually run out of puff
What a snub!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only no, you cannot dock but also, no, I will not go to England; instead I'll visit Argentina.
Silly English! They still believe we are in the XIX century whence they could easily pull the strings and get what they wanted. Today, England is still a might power but only one more among many.
And so many deluded posters thinking Argentina can condition other sovereign nations to do whatever Argentina wants. So deluded! Argentina is irrelevant when it comes to military might. It has the lowest military defense budget (in terms of percentage of its GDP) in the region. Argentina cannot provide financial support or any other promises. Hell, Argentina can barely keep itself afloat.
So why do these SA countries support Argentina?
There is a deep dislike of a nation such as England that not only was involved in colonialism, imperialism and exploiting resources; but is also the same nation that turned a blind eye (or openly supported) many 'Merikan alleged 'humanitarian' interventions during the Cold War era.
Too bad; you are simply disliked in SA
@51
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0i notice that Brazil is keeping out of this issue. Only the countries that Argentina can bully are becoming involved and having their foreign policy dictated by the Mad Woman.
Brazil will keep out of this because they are for example after a permanent seat on the UN and unfortunately for them powerful nations like the UK will veto this if they involve themselves in the FI.
the fact is that some of the SA countries like RG land are simply jealous of the UK. what must it do to the latin self esteem to find out that the Islanders want nothing to do with you and instead wish to be aligned with the UK. what must it do to spain for them to finsdout that even though most of the population arent British they still want to be aligned with the UK. Go figure.
you will never get your negotiations with the UK govt and it would sicken every UK citizen too see the picture of the mad woman sitting down at the same table as our PM.
You lose.
@52
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you referring to the same Brazil that two years ago said through none other than its Head of State:
“What is the geographical, political and economic explanation for England to be in the Malvinas?”
“What is the explanation for the United Nations never having that decision? It is not possible that Argentina is not the owner while England is, despite being 14,000 km away.”
Is it possible that Britain can do everything and while others can do nothing?” “We need to start pushing so that the UN Secretary reopens this debate.”
Yes, you are spot off. Brazil is certainly keeping itself clear of this issue and taking a non committal approach to it.
Brazil you say?
Have you already forgotten all bout the HMS Clyde last year when it sought to dock in Rio de Jainero?
Sure..... *roll eyes* Brazil's pulse is shaking... especially when it comes to communicating what there stance is on Malvinas.
And what about earlier this year, in January? Have you already forgotten how Brazil's Foreign Ministry told Hague right to his face “Minister Hague knows that Brazil ... supports the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas”.
Where do you live mate? Inside a flask?
Looks like Peru is really united on this decision by their Foreign Minister.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Certainly not unexpected when you look at the history between Peru and ArgieBargieland. By rights Argentina should have been knocked out of the 78 World Cup but typical South American corruption I suppose.
The fact remains the Falkland Islands are still British so eat your heart out Frau Bitch.
Well el Presidente, don't bother about going to the UK.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come & visit the Falklands, where l'm sure the Chilean population will make your stay memorable.
We might too.
@54 Corruption and Football you say?
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have a good look at '66.
@ 54 As normal Argentine footballers, Antonio Rattin in particular, were a bunch of immature nancy boys. We was robbed is the cry from Argentina.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 The best way, through the UN framework, to resolve this debate would be through the ICJ. The UK offered to take the South Atlantic Islands issue to the ICJ four times and Argentina refused to take part. They then took it unilaterally to the ICJ and Argentina announced that the ICJ had no jurisdiction over Argentina.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no possible way, within the UN framework, to resolve this issue, because of Argentina's refusal to engage or conform to the UN in any way. The South American countries either don't know this, or know this and just look stupid. Argentina knows this and just wants to keep pushing something that can never be resolved through the framework of the UN through their choosing.
That's how filled with nonsense they are.
Get over it.
@57 & @58
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When it comes to being totally corrupt, Britain is topped only by the USA.
The Murdoch / News Intl affair has shown that pretty much the entire UK police, UK military, Government etc is owned by a decrepit old Australian fart. So your prattlings about corruption re Argentina are laughable. But then that's always the thing with Brits - lecturing others while doing the exact opposite themselves
As for football - given the antics of such stalwarts as Beckham (excatly how many games did MR Posh Spice not get sent off - probably quicker to figure that out than trying to figure out the games he was sent off in), Gascoigne, and of course the current manage Psycho Pearce, England has no place to be calling other teams' players animals.......but then again when it comes to sheer hypocrisy the sunburnt old white farts of England know no equal
Troneas @ 22.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There has not been a war in continental south america for centuries.” So the 1982 war in the Falklands did not take place in continental south america, is that right? So you agree that the Falkland Islands are not part of continental south america. Silly me, I thought your claim to the islands was based on your ascertion that the Falkland Islands were part of your contintal shelf, I believe you even teach this in your schools. A freudian slip, perhaps??
As for Peru, they are free to do what they like, I personaly think it was the height of bad manners and a breach of diplomatic etiquet, not to inform the British represenative of the decision, to his face. Not to mention the stink of moral cowardice that now seems to be in the diplomatic air.
59 polarbear
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When we talk about corruption CFK is in a league of her own.
1) Her personal wealth, in the time she has been president, has increased from less than
$1,000,000 US Dollars to $50,000,000 US Dollars.
2) She and her husband, who supposedly died on October 26th, 2010, took federally owned land
and created deeds for them, of course to themselves and their fake holding company (Los
Sauces, SA is the name of the company). They then re-sold these federally owned lands in
the south of Argentina for millions of dollars and of course, kept the money all for
themselves.
3) Her husband supposedly died on October 26th, 2010 and of course she played the black
widow, however they would not open the coffin. Every public official who has died in
Argentina, has had an open coffin, and of course Kretina wouldn't allow this.
4) The taxes in Argentina are some of the highest in the world, yet the people here earn
miserably low salaries, sales tax 21% on EVERYTHING, goods, services, even RENT!
5) Any profit you may make, the government takes 35% of that too! And the 1.2% check tax,
every retail sale in Argentina is taxed additionally 1.2% if you pay by check or credit
card.
6) The bribes, and money under the table you have to pay to her government to get ANYTHING
done in Argentina is unbelieveable. If you are sick or need to be operated, even if you
have the supposedly “free” health insurance, if you don't slip some money to the director of
the hospital, you get put to the side. The hospitals take in huge amounts of money, but it
all goes to the president Crisitna, who keeps most of it, and gives a few pesos back to the
hospitals to keep them going and pay miserably low salaries to the doctors and other staff.
7) Cristina's children, Florencia Kirchner a/k/a Florkey, Flor, and Maximo Kirchner are
heavily involved in her corruption. Florencia lived in New York studying film production as
a student, but lived in a luxury park avenue apartment. Some of us who knew her in
@51 - Yeah, it's a shame the US intervened down in South America. It's a shame we made sure you didn't become Russia's bitch, but, hey! It's not all bad. Now Correa and Chavez make your policy, so I guess you got what you wanted. Being totally dominated by outside powers.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We safeguarded you against communism. It was just unfortunate that you were too divided and weak for any kind of democracy, and men like Pinochet had to be propped up to restore some semblance of sanity in the areas of South America.
Look at it this way, had the US not done anything, much of South America would be like Cuba, which is still a communist dictatorship even today. At least the governments we installed were all eventually overthrown. The Russian one wasn't.
Then again, it doesn't matter much. Latin countries are still as corrupt, weak and argumentative as ever. Prime example here in this story. I'm not condemning all Latin Americans, but their politicians, (who are often put into power thanks to suitcases full of money from Chavez, AKA: KFC), are puppets and morons. A great example is Evo Morales, a cheaper version of Hugo who was supposed to stand up for native Bolivians... a little prompting from his neighbors and Evo rolls out the plans for his mega highway.
“We just wont worry about the native lands. As long as I get paid, all is good for Bolivia..., oh, and I have a right to sea access for no apparent reason” :D
@59 Sadly for you, most of us here aren't poor, so we:
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) don't speak spanish
b) don't like football
c) don't have a massive TV at the expense of a book
d) don't have Murdoch-o-vision
A significant number of us here like good sports like Rugger and Cricket instead.
I'm afraid young master Browne appears a light weight and out of his depth. Boy Hague needs to get a grip of the FO.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to continue her corruption.............
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 08) They claim they do things for the good of the 40 million Argentine people, they are
nothing but crooks.
9) Cristina Kirchner is threatening war on England to take back the Falkland islands, and
promote nationalism, when all she is doing is trying to distract the citizens of Argentina
from her miserable stealing and looting of public funds and disaster of a goverment
including her vice president drug dealing Amado Boudou.
10) Cristina and her supposedly dead husband Nestor Kirchner were part of a national
terrorist and extorsionist group called “Montoneros” when they were young adults.
11) Cristina Kirchner is supposedly a lawyer, however no educational institution in
Argentina con produce a college degree with her name on it and a law degree, it simply
doesn't exist.
ARGENTINA IS THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION KIRCHNER THE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING THE GOVERNMENT IS A GROUP OF CROOKS AND STEAL ALL OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS AND PROMOTE NARCO AND TERRORIST ACTIVITY WE HOPE THE WORLD IS LISTENING.
I am glad that this site exists to assist the British Dinosaur who write here. UK is having a FLAT ECONOMY, FALLING APART AND AWAY FROM THE REST OF EUROPE, but you ALL BRITS STILL BELIEVE IN THEIR GRANDIOSE EMPIRE!!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Peru and the south american continent will one day rue the day they took the side of the Argentines and tried to make the UK look foolish. The south americans can laugh all they want but there will undoubtedly be a payback for this diplomatically or economically.”
WHAT A JOKE !!! WE ARE THE NEW WORLD AND YOU ARE SINKING LIKE ANY OTHER EMPIRE!!!
@66 - Just keep telling yourself that, while we get the men in white coats to take you back to your room. It's funny how you think you are the “new world”. For the new world, all of your military equipment sure is old. Argentina still using planes from 1953 last I heard. haha
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Polarbear
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you need to check your facts about corruption.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/dec/01/corruption-index-2011-transparency-international.
@ Polarbear
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a whitwash then .,
Via Lord Ton
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Republic of Argentina’s unfounded accusations of ‘militarisation’ of the South Atlantic are unwarranted and baseless. It calls into question the evidential threshold applied by the Republic of Argentina to all its political claims. The reality of our military footprint in the South Atlantic is clear: the United Kingdom’s military posture in the Falkland Islands is defensive and exists only in order to protect the rights and freedoms of the people of the Falkland Islands to determine their own political, cultural and economic futures. In contrast to the position of the Republic of Argentina the position of the United Kingdom and Falkland Islands Government is firmly based in international law, and in particular on the principle and right of self-determination for all peoples which constitutes one of the legal foundations of the United Nations.
Learn the meaning Cristina de Kirchner: to protect, freedom, legal, law, peace, reality
66 you are not first
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0PLease, please, please tell me how the Argentine ecomony is doing these days?
The U.K ecomony is flat ( tell us something new ) it is not improving but at least it isn't getting any worse.
Please tell me how the Argentine economy is doing under the inspired leadership of Cristina Kirchner and all her Mafia hoods...
Amnesty - Argentina's 10% Amerindian population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment in THEIR OWN LAND - http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again talking about war ?
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0When my co-nationals will understand and accept that the Falklanders are good and peacefull people and stop harrasing them.
Why pull our latin american friends in these nonsense of Malvinas cause ?
Why we can not be all friends ? I know that all of us had done many bad things to each other throughout history, but this is today. Today uk is a diferent country. Doesn't want to dominate the world . Is a peacefull country that only want a fruitful relation with all the countries.
Why this CFK government have to put the Peruvian against UK ? Why?
Please stop this nonsense.
Let give peace a chance. Let be all friends, like before. Please.
l agree, taky.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Argentina is the one that is causing all the trouble.
I know. But how a few of us in my country that desagree with this can stop this nonsenses. How ?
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I like reading about history but this present is nonsenses.
We have to learn how is the world today. What we were, lost or get in the past is history. We have to live with what we have today. I know that, with a few exeption, you are diferent now. That you respect other people and other societies. I know a lot of British people that don't think the way you use to think 100 years ago. You respect others people now. We should respect you too. But my co-nationals are so blind about what they think they lost, that don't think of all we gain from others that lost a lot more (chile or Paraguay for ex.).
It is a way we all can finish this stupidity, and start acting like good neighbors and respect each others ?
When is going to come to this country a govermnent that start thinking about the future instead of constantly looking to the past ?
We will never go forward like this.
I want you to know that not all people in this country think like them.
Some of us want peace, good neighbor relation and maybe some day a friendship with you. I hope so.
Peruvians here is Argentine - Amnesty - Argentina's native population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is my cousin Adolfo in London making fun of your stupido english army
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E
@77
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same stupido army, that sailed 8000 miles. marched 90 miles across the worse terrain in the world with 120 pound packs carrying all they needed to fight and defeated an entrenched army at odd sod 1 too 3. Am I lying or are these not facts in reality. Hate to meet a real army!!!!!!!!!!
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