MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Protesting Malvinas veterans occupy emblematic former “Tower of the English”
Argentine former soldiers deployed to Patagonia during the Malvinas War decided to occupy the Torre Monumental (formerly know as the “Torre de los Ingleses”, or Tower of the English) in Retiro, as they continue with their claim for official recognition of their “war veteran status.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe English did give the Argentines quite a bit.... Retiro Station, Torre de los Ingleses (for them to stage protests at), a damn good thrashing in 82.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0.....and what thanks do the English get, nada.. thats what....
ungrateful RG ratbags.....
I also served during the Falklands War... in the Sea Cadets... can i have a medal for ze war please, i want to show all ze girlz my nice medalz for ze war.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine ex conscript Patagonia Veteran -
“My momma always said, ”Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.“ I want a medal for the war I never fought in and I'm gonn'a cry until I get one”
Drill Sergeant: Campesino Conscript! What's your sole purpose in this army?
Argentine Campesino Patagonian Conscript: “To do whatever you tell me, drill sergeant!”
Drill Sergeant: “We're sending you to clean out some latrines in Patagonia... it's gonna be tough, do ya think you can handle it?”
Argentine Campesino Patagonian Conscript: “Will I get a medal”
Drill Sergeant: “No but ya might get my boot up yer ass if you don't start shoveling shit real quick!”
Argentine Campesino Patagonian Conscript: “Now for some reason I fit in the army like one of them round pegs. It's not really hard. You just make your bed real neat and remember to stand up straight and always answer every question with ”Yes, drill sergeant.“ I never had to go to no war but while one was on I shoveled a lot of shit in a Patagonian transit camp. ... i always loved it when Drill Sergeant stuck his boot up my ass... i feel like a real Malvinas soldier”.
Drill Sergeant: “Remember 1982 boys?”
Argentine Campesino Patagonian Conscripts: “Yes Sergeant”
Drill Sergeant: “I want you all to jump, one by one out of the English TOwer”
Argentine Campesino Patagonian Conscript: “Mama always said, dying was a part of life. I sure wish it wasn't. Why do some get medals and others not?”
Argentine Republic SUDACA Army, protest, protest, protest and jump up and down, yell, beat drums, block streets, and you will get a total of 0, nothing, nada, niente from your SUDACA government!
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 2 Don't think we are all like the anti-british losers Malvinero, Think, Marcos Alejandro, Kiwi (a loser who calls himself anti-british but enjoys living under Queen Elizabeth II protection) those are envious people. The British have been contributing to make this country a better place since the day they arrived in Argentina, especially the English people, in science, technology, literature, sports, etc etc etc. I will always admire and love England, I know what England is and what England is not. I have reasons to love England.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they not know that it's not the 'tower of the english' any more... it's called something completely different, and it has been for ages, completely negating the impact of their 'conquest'.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've got to say if MercoPress/buenosaires herald are anything to go by there is a serious shortage of sane people in Argentina.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0They want veteran status and pay when they never saw action or entered the conflict zone....Astonishing...
If anything its a giant insult to those brave Argentine servicemen who actually did go and fight and also to the ones that lost their lives.
4 xbarilox
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you. I think that can give yourself a pat on the back and award yourself a medal for clear thinking.
Like I said, Our governments are enemies, we are not.
Thank you for some thoughtful perspective on the situation.
It's a bit third-world, this habit of changing names in the hope that the history also changes to suit...
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gimme a medal
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qkSe4YM7EY
This is stupid!
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aside from our dispute with England over the Malvinas, our bilateral history goes a long way and there are many examples of fruitful and mutually beneficial cooperation. Let's not get carried away and put everyone in one bag.
Torres de los ingleses should remain with that name!
@8 Historical revisionism is a tell-tale indicator of a crypto-authoritarian dictatorship. North Korea do it, Argentina do it, China does it.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1o When did you decide to turn your frown upside down?
@11
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You write “Historical revisionism is a tell-tale indicator of a crypto-authoritarian dictatorship”
do you reckon that 'white man's burden' and 'civilize the savages' would fit that ^^ bill?
@12 No, but I think:
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) north korea removal of the fact it never won a war;
b) South korea changing the history of Dokdo;
c) Argentina changing the history associated with the Falklands and South Atlantic Islands;
d) Argentina forgetting they are colonialists who killed all their natives;
e) Chinese suddenly deciding they wanted portions of India and Pakistan; and,
f) Iraq in 1990 deciding Kuwait was to be annexed.
All these things fit under what I was talking about. Argentina seems to love it's historical revisionism.
@13 of course, I did not think so.....
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0historical revisionism is monopolized by developing countries and developed countries such as England never entertain such practices *sarcasm* (in case you miss it simpleton).
@14 We've got nothing to hide, and in fact you'd struggle to find a more self-reflective culture than the British. We even make comedy shows about how utterly repellant some of our past actions were. Put simply, if you learn the lessons of the past, you are in great command of the future.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina's case, they refuse to be self-reflective, to the extent that they cannot accept most of history, they try to remove significant portions, they claim the rest isn't valid, and epic statements like the ARA Belgrano was simply being peaceful. That's why your country is incapable of controlling its present and it's future is drenched in FAIL.
Get over it; I did.
“Malvinas veterans” = Losers
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 “We've got nothing to hide, and in fact you'd struggle to find a more self-reflective culture than the British”
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0......and yet, when it comes to historical revisionism, and in your own words (comment 13) 'white man's burden' and 'civilize the savages' doesn't make the cut. That's because the English are special, right? *sarcasm* (in case you missed it dupe).
@17 I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The white man's burden was to civilise the savages.. so they are both the same thing.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you trying to say we didn't introduce european political thought based on greek philosophies to the rest of the world? Well we did.
Are you just upset because we did civilise the savages and yet Spain failed to? North America has mainly a British and French influence.. South America has an Iberian influence. North America is civilised, South America is not.
Does this upset you?
@17 I'm not sure what the accusation is here either. Rudyard Kipling wrote White Man's Burden at a time when the British were heavily into the idea of building an empire and “civilising” the rest of the world. Out attitudes have changed since then but I don't understand what that has to do with revising history. It's not like we're pretending the British Empire was an unqualified marvel and a boon to all its subjects. It's not like we're pretending it never happened either...
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“do you reckon that 'white man's burden' and 'civilize the savages' would fit that ^^ bill?”
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Erm. I think you'll find the UK does not deny it's own history. We know and admit we did bad things in the past, including colonial subjugation and enslavement of people.
Argentina conveniently forgets the bits of history it doesn't want to remember. It even celebrates some of the most unsavoury parts...
Do Argentinean not consider themselves to be white in respect of the white man's burden?
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course they do Idlehands. They even have it in their constitution, Article 25, European, ie white, immigration only please... And they abolished slavery 30 years after it was abolished in the British Empire!
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can see their point though.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a few weeks ago the Mad Bitch made some pratt who is now an Admiral but was a war veteran becuase he sat in a 40' container in a naval dockyard and 'controlled' the radar INTO THE HEAD OF THE MILITARY!
50 cms of medals on his chest and nothing between his ears. The ideal choice for the Mad Bitch as he poses no threat to the CFK dynasty whatever.
17 Helber Galarga
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All nations do incredibly bad things.
It's up to the people to see through the propaganda and not go along with it. Sometimes they will get pulled kicking and screaming in a direction they don't want to go.
War on Terror anyone? Btw. Argentine has gone along with the War on Terror.
Argentina's 1823 claim over the imaginary Malvinas Islands and their 1982 dated claim on the rest of the South Atlantic - none of it supported by the people who live there or the nation who has sovereignty over those areas.
Below is a map of Argentine claims, you tell me with a straight face if it's not neo-colonialism -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Argentine_map_of_Argentina.png
Most Argentines I've spoken to see though it. Many are too ill educated to actually question the legitimacy of their governments claims and counter claims over the islands.
Some, Helber, go along with them even though they see how ridiculous they are.
It's a shame that two peoples who up until 1982 shared such a strong history of shared friendship and beneficial relations should now at each others throats, with the tension so high all we need is a bit of tinder and the entire region will go up like it did 30 years ago. Only this time we don't have 60 ill armed Marines guarding it and a Cold War flank to protect and you don't have an armed forces anywhere near the same size.
Wake up all the decent Argentines. Wake up.
Give peace a chance.
@24 The problem is that governments will do what they decide to, regardless of the will of the people. Those with the power will mould the circumstances, controlling the agenda and the information creating a situation whereby, despite their deliberate and calculated aggression, they contrive to present themselves as the victim. When the aggressive unilateral military action takes place, it is contrived to appear as 'self-defence' or 'we tried to negotiate reasonably, but they left us with no alternative'. Does this sound like somebody we know?
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman back in the headlines on C5N
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 Helber Galarga ----That's because the English are special, right----- Glad you at last acknowledge the we are a special people, we have known it for quite some time (snicker, snicker) The Scots and the Welsh and the Irish, North of course are special ones as well. No go down on bended knee prostrate yourself and kiss our feet in wonderment of a special race of people. And that goes for all you Argentine bloggers we from those little islands way up North demand you prostrate yourselves and acknowledge what a wonderful race of people we are
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It´s all kicking off with the so called veterans at Plaza de Mayo outside the Casa Rosada ! It´s a shame the mad bitch probably is not inside .....
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What will they gain from this protest (absolutamente nada)
@10, 12, 14, 17 I don't understand where you think you are going with these comments. Do you? You start with “Let's not get carried away and put everyone in one bag.” What a ridiculous idea. If you put all argies in a bag, it would be a good idea. They couldn't get out. If you put all Brits in a bag, there would, in short order, be no bag. If you put all argies and all Brits in a bag, it wouldn't be long before there was only Brits in the bag. And then they could destroy the bag and get out! Then you enter into a pointless discussion about “historical revisionism”. It pains me to reject GY's words, but there is nothing wrong with historical revisionism. Revisionism is a normal scholastic process and entails a refinement of existing knowledge about a historical event. What GY should have said is that “Denial is a tell-tale indicator of a crypto-authoritarian dictatorship.” Thus argieland denies the real history of the Falkland and other British South Atlantic Islands. Argieland denies that the majority of those settled on the Falklands in 1832/3 actually stayed there. Argieland denies that it couldn't lawfully “inherit” any territory from the Spanish Empire. Argieland denies that the 1850 Convention settled ALL outstanding differences. Argieland denies that it could not “inherit” any territory from Spain until Spain recognised the existence of Argieland, something that didn't happen until 1863. These are all simple, but documented, things. Things that argieland HAS to deny. Because if they admitted that they were true, it would destroy their fictitious claims. And this is why argieland dares not take its claim to the ICJ. Britain can PROVE all these things. They are matters that “ordinary” argies, brainwashed from birth, cannot consider. “Malvinas Argentinas” they scream. Much like certain other countries used to scream “Sieg Heil”, Heil Hitler“ and ”Banzai!” Sad little people. Even those like the minority half-breeds.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[In a nut shell]
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is no danger to the British
Never has been
Is not now,
And never will be,
So sit back, and watch the children play their little pantomimes .lol
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All quiet on no front
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/96019/all-quiet-on-no-front
I wouldn’t call re-naming a clock tower and plaza, historical revisionism, merely political expediency.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither would I call Argentina’s version of the history of the S Atlantic revisionist, its more like complete propaganda.
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Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interesting,
no doubt she will try and claim it as a victory .
The tower is an icon of the Argentine as a land that gave so many resources to the UK in a very unfair relationship between them.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was very good to get independent from Spain, Argentina was born as a modern nation then, but it was not so good to let the UK enter with no restrictions or controls at all, deciding everything that happened in these lands, and many times destroying the local productions.
It was a time when the UK and France pressured and financed the “triple-alianza” war, where Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay fought against Paraguay and eliminated almost all the mature male population. All because Paraguay had started to produce its own railroads and factories... and the UK couldn't compete with that... so it decided that extermination would be the proper way of not having competitors in this side of the world...
quite sad story...
VETERANS: We want money for that war we never fought in, for that regime you don't condone but emulate on a daily basis.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC: No way! I need this tax money for the royal botox palace, and for my personal needs. Besides, giving you money would indicate that I support what the soldiers did back then, which I do, but I can't let the UN know that.
VETERANS: What about those suitcases full of money Hugo gave you?
KFC: How do you think I afforded this 100% plastic face? Listen, go occupy that tower we changed the name of and I'll think about it.
VETERANS: But...
KFC: THE BRITISH STILL OCCUPY THE MALVINAS!!!! GO OCCUPY THEIR TOWER, SLAVE!
VETERANS: MALVINAS!!!!! AAAR, GET THOSE PIRATES!!!
Just another day of business in the life of an autocratic madwoman.
@34 That's right. You can check all the documents and letters from the Foreign Office of those days to the governments of Argentina and Brazil before the war with Paraguay started. Britain try all the time to push us into the war with Paraguay. And after they try to stop the war when Paraguay was allready destroyed. They blame us for something they push us to do. Shame !!! If Mitre instead of been soo pro-british would had been more pro-south american, instead of fighting against Paraguay we could united with them. But the british had a frase in those days
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“divide and conquer” and they were experts in that...
@ 34 you're really a sick mind, fermin.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It was very good to get independent from Spain, Argentina was born as a modern nation then, but it was not so good to let the UK enter with no restrictions or controls at all, deciding everything that happened in these lands, and many times destroying the local productions.” What? fermin, what if you visit your Psichiatry doctor?
It was Argentina and Brazil the countries that invaded Paraguay and killed thousands of Paraguayans, and stole the land of Paraguayans, not the British, you are a f*cking piece of sh*t fermin.
@ 36 And you, well what can be said about you! You are simply a liar. A mierdas como vos hay que matarlas sin piedad, peronista hijo de puta. No podés ser tan hijo de puta, cobarde y mentiroso taky. Argentina nunca va a ser nada mientras sigan existiendo personas como vos, la manera en la que mentís y falseas la verdad es asquerosa, pero digna de un Peronista. Si no fuera por Mitre, vos hoy no estarías escribiendo en este foro, culo roto ingrato hijo de puta. Va a llegar el día en este país, en el que la mierda como vos no va a tener derecho ni de respirar. Va a llegar, porque la mentira tiene patas cortas y es cierto, pero vos ni debés vivir en Argentina de todos modos.
@ 35 Stefan: The way you are describing Cristina is of course nothing to do with reality, I fancy the way you show your ideas, I really like it when people find creative ways of saying opinions, but your fiction also shows things you may not want to tell about you consciously...
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0In your fiction about an autocratic woman we see a character that looks a lot alike to a Monarchy... and these things really do not exist in Argentina... We live in the new world, in America... even if Argentina is still a country that is dominated financially buy a lot of foreign corporations it is still part of America.
The way you describe Cristina shows that you cannot imagine a strong president without imagining it as autocratic. The societies that are not really accustomed to these modern political systems are some European ones...
The ones who have a prince and a queen that keep having carnal relationships with concentrated capital groups and corporations and the worst side of the church are the british ones for example...
Your fiction shows the way you project your unconscious sight of society...
There is a world possible without autocratic queens... believe me.
It is the year 2012 and the british royal family is celebrating the queens jubilee... this says it all...
@ 38 andá a cagar peronista hijo de puta. A ustedes hay que matarlos uno a uno hasta que no quede ni el olor a mierda que despiden. Son mieda ustedes fermin, y no van a cambiar nunca, pero eso ya lo sabés, cagones, cobardes, hipócritas, van a pagar y bien caro todo lo que están haciendo, no vos, que sos un cobarde y vas a huir, pero va a llegar el fin de este gobierno de mierda, y ese día el mundo entero va a festejar. Vos contá los días fermin. Ese día, también nos vamos a dar el gusto de tirar abajo ese monumento al odio y la mentira que es el mausoleo de Néstor kirchner. F*ck you fermin, you and all the Malvinistas. You now believe you are wining, you soon will understand that you have lost, more than you know.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if they don't appreciate the gifts that we gave them, we'll have it back!
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0That tower would look quite good on the Stanley waterfront or somewhere.
Should have put the Santa Fe submarine on display too.
l suppose the Yanks wouldn't have liked that as they made it!
@38 fermin,
Talking out of your rear again, l see.
@39
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like someone lost the plot!
Don't forget to take them meds, mate! I wouldn't like to read about you in the news.
BTW, nice rant but, next time, type it in English. Apparently those are the rules of engagement here. IF you don't like them, well, then just Fook off!!!
38 fermin
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your President looks like the back end of a bus. Clearly when she “puts her face on” in the morning, she is literally doing it.
Looks like Fermin and Taky have been reading too much crap from peronist pseudo-historian José María Rosa.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is my cousin Adolfo in London making fun of your stupido english army
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E
@34 fermin & @36 taky
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now even events in Argentine history are somehow the fault of the British!
You go from the sublime to the ridiclus.
Your Anglophobia knows no bounds.
@ 44 Filippo
With Brave Adolfo mincing around like that, I can see how “the long winter evenings must just fly by”.
@1
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Argentina did give many Brits (english, scottish, etc), a safe-haven back when Europe including the UK were hellholes, and some tidy profits for about six decades (1880-1940) through massive trade between the country. The UK got cheap and natural food products.
Then the UK stabbed Argentina in the back due to pressure from the USA, Peron struck back with the railways and the Falklands, and well... things have snowballed from there.
Once again Britain gets all the blame
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All argentine problems and fallers are down to Britain,
If it was not for the bad brits Argentina would be the most powerful country in the world bla bla, and bad Britain did this bla bla,,,,
If the argentine government stopped blaming Britain or everybody else for all her mistakes, and concentrated on her own problems, instead of others, and stop using the Falklands as a distraction, then perhaps, just perhaps she would not be in this mess in the first place.
Still one can hope .
@ 46 sos la bosta más grande que hay en estos foros, peronista hijo de puta, me cago en vos y en toda tu puta familia. Pero me alegra saber que en Argentina jamás va a haber unidad, mientras ustedes existan. If it wasn't for the UK, sh*ts like you would be all dead now, Britain gave you shelter when Videla wanted to kill you. But what can we expect from a piece of sh*t like you tobias? You're a coward, so it's not a surprise. Bosta hijo de mil putas, peronista de mierda, pero un día lo van a pagar. No vos, que ni vivís en Argentina, cagón hijo de puta.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 - It's funny how you continually reference the British monarchy, a CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY with only ceremonial power. KFC is a dictator, put into power thanks to money from her Venezuelan pimp. I believe in strong leaders who are not autocratic. KFC is a weak leader who is autocratic... and made of plastic.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'a safe-haven back when ...... the UK were hellholes, ' when was that exactly?
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US and UK put the boot into Argentina in quite a mild way when the RGs were showing definite nazi tendencies ion the early 40s....
@46. A safe haven? I do believe Argentina was a country of Nazi protectors. That's why Mossad came and took people in the night!
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps on easter monday
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina will declare its claim to easter island,
seeing as an argentina sailor looking for eggs, landed briefly in 18um33 perhaps.
If you do not like the building, don't change it's name. take it down. After all everything British is imperialistic, coloniaistic, occupationist (is that a word, )piratic (now I now thats a word,) hedonistoc, narcasistic, physcotic,demonistic, homophobic,cleptomainic,nymphomainic,flagalistic,rumanistic and supercalafragalistic.Everyone knows the Brits are resposible for everything.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Patagonia veterans, give them all a medal and a big pension for having the common sense to stay at home!
The name's should never have been changed, the tower and the plaza are part of our history and links to Britain. It was my great grandfather who was there on the opening of the tower and his name remembered on bench in Plaza Británica. We lost the Malvina's War and then changed the names, it was ridiculous and only aimed at pleasing stupid people.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54 The name has been changed to de-anglicise it... the Plaza Británica is now the Plaza Máximo with a big concrete and gold statue to the head of Le Camping. You can see the statue here (http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/north_korea/mail-9-thumb.jpg) Face facts, your peron-deities have arrived, and they don't like your country's past.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is another picture of the Argentina Malvinas reunification arch (http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/north_korea/mail-9-thumb.jpg)
Here is a picture of the mausoleum of the great leader himself in his mausoleum (http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/north_korea/mail-9-thumb.jpg) where he rests before rising again to bring the country to the Utopian future where the whole world is run by Peronist values and the Antarctic war has been won by Argentina with all the inhabitants under KFC's jack boot.
Get over it, I did several times.
Seriously though, you'd think no Argentine would want to be associated with their whole sorry invasion debacle, but I suppose if they are hungry and desperate for a few pesos to help their families; you can't really blame them. On the other hand, the way the RG media presents their shameless bullying of civilians and attempted theft as an heroic and patriotic war, maybe they are actually proud to be associated with the criminal invasion and occupation.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone who attempts to steal or acquire something that does not belong to them is a thief, are they not,
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone supporting these people to acquire or steal something that does not belong to them, are an accessory to that crime, are they not .
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That they are, briton.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Argentines in Patagonia, living on stolen land.
yep
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 045 Pugol-H: I do not suffer any anglophobia, in fact I have a lot of things brought from England I have been given from friends. I have those typical museums souvenirs, I listen to british music sometimes and I have clothes brought form london etc...
Mar 26th, 2012 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing I say is: how can people be surprised when I write that the British Empire had a huge influence in Argentinian history? It is normal, nothing strange... There are even red mailboxes like the old british typical ones in the streets of Buenos Aires! Of course that the british empire pressed a lot in this side of the world to get different benefits from little Argentinian elites... This doesn't mean blaming Britain for everything... The truth is that they influenced Latinamerican history a lot.
How do you think that an empire is built if not pressuring local elites in different parts of the world? nothing new...
@49 Stephan: “CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY with only ceremonial power” Do you think that ceremonial is no power at all? Symbolic power is important, why do you think it was so important to build all that royal wedding circus??
Then you come and say that CFK is a dictator... LOL, she was working 24/7 at her desk with small local ONGs while Cameron was worried about how to calm riots down in London. She was receiving foreign diplomacy people, making business with the world to keep argentinians employed, making efforts to defend latinamerican countries from Coup D'Etats attempts to keep democracy alive in this continent while CNN and BBC were not covering those news.
Even if I don't like CFK in many things, she will go into history as an president that made democracy stronger while Britain was performing the “wedding of the year” show.
If it is so easy for you to point at the Argentinian Gov. as a dictatorship with no serious facts, what can we say about Britain? get a book and read in stead of watching the news and believing that news corporations do their best to give you serious information.
such an ICON that CFK is,
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0yep an ICON , a bit plastiky but an ICON all the same.
ICON=you
ICON=them
ICON=everyone
chuckle .
The monument was renamed because times change. UK and Argentina were close friends once. Now they are enemies, and children on both sides shall be raised to hate the other! Just facts.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the Brits still call their capital Londinium? You fools think before you write!
@60 fermin
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can tell you the British have a completely view of history to that. No change there then.
You attribute to the British an influence and even interest in S America, they simply did not have.
No surprise though, how many times have I read here the, small scale British operations of 1806/7 in the river Plate, described as invasions, and attempts to found a British colony in the river Plate area.
Despite the fact that they were very small scale, part of the Napoleonic wars and Argentina (even according to Argentinean history) did not exist then, they were still “Invasions of Argentina”.
This is as ridiculous as your suggestion that the Paraguayan war, was somehow the fault of the British.
It would seem to be quicker if you list all the events that you think the British were not responsible for.
Phobia/obsession/indoctrinated, take your pick?
@62 Truth_Telling_Troll
“the Brits” never did call it londinium.
This was the assimilation name given to it by the colonialist, imperialist, invading Mediterranean Romans.
Gone a long time before Brits came into being.
l think the Roman capital was at St Albans anyway.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't called St Albans though.
The Roman name escapes me at the moment.
Either way they were invading, empire building, slaving, murdering, plundering southern europeans, with no bussiness in Northern Europe.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What have the Romans ever done for us! apart from the Aquaducts that is.
the brits always get the blame
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 63 Pugol-H: I never wrote that there were attempts to found a British colony in the river Plate area. The UK started to discover they didn't need to have a formal colony in here...
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may still be surprised... but the truth is that YES the UK and France had influence in the war against Paraguay. Because Paraguay industrial development was considered by the Industrial British Empire as a threaten. If it sounds silly for you or not well... it is your problem.
That is the truth, and all the people that had responsibility in those times share the guilt of that war: argentinians part of the governing elites, british, brazilians, etc. I see it like that.
Again: How do you think an empire is built?
with bricks and mortor, ?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 fermin
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British never had any intention of founding a colony in the river plate in the first place.
The British involvement in the Paraguyan war was to lend Argentina and Brazil the money to fight it.
As to how and why the war started was an S. American affaire.
“Because Paraguay industrial development was considered by the Industrial British Empire as a threaten.” - This is just Anglophobic propaganda, who makes this stuff up down there.
I agree with you that the responsibility for the events of that time, belongs to the people involved at that time.
Empires are built by discovering and claiming previously uninhabited territory, and conquering inhabited territory, be it from the then inhabitants or other empires.
But you know this from Argentinean history, all of what is now Argentina was conquered from previous inhabitants. Unlike the Falklands of course, which were uninhabited when the British arrived there.
@62 Toby the TIT... 'Do the Brits still call their capital Londinium? You fools think before you write!'
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'London' is the anglicized 'Londinium'
“Torre de los Ingleses” does not translate into 'tower dedicated to the thieving RG goons of '82 '
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina -
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
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