MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina declassifies scathing review of blunders committed during Malvinas war
President Cristina Fernandez has finally declassified a scathing review of the mistakes made by Argentina's military junta in going to war with Britain in 1982 trying to recover the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI cant see what this will achieve except to remind people once again how useless the RG's really are. Pathetic.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0It will be interesting to see how many Argentinians turn too for the commemoration at the BA memorial on 2 Apr and what their mood is, particularly given the prospect of another oil related announcement in the next week or even on the day.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0What normal country commemorates the start of a war which they lost so disastrously? Maybe they are commemorating the events which led to the the restoration of the Argentine version of democracy.I can see KFC announcing that a statue of Mrs Thatcher,the new 'El Libertador' ' is going to be installed in the Plaza De Mayo.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you imagine the reaction in Europe if Germany announced it was going to commemorate the invasion of Poland and then Adolf Hitler's birthday.
@2 “He added that President Cristina Fernandez is 'trying to focus responsibility on the military and leave the Argentine people blameless.' ”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can imagine on the 2nd of April they will all be out in the streets pretending that there weren't millions of people out on the streets in 1982 in a festival of popular support to the invasion of the Falklands. Instead they'll pretend they didn't lose the war and they'll pretend the military junta was acting against the wishes of the argentine people.
It's just typical of the one big bed of lies in which these people live.
“Declassified” ? We've known all this for years, even if the Argentine people haven't. You have to wonder why KFC's chosen this particular time to remind us of Argentine military ineptitude?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0could of course be another trick to ensure that there is no military coup. she's already severely weakened the military and put her cronies in charge as Admirals etc. so when the going has got tough for her its a little reminder to the people of what would happen if the military decided to rise up against her.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0she is leading the country to rack and ruin. simply put, she was never meant to be President and is totally out of her depth.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt they will be whipped up into the usual excitable, frenzied state so typical of your average Hispanic. Some will start crying real tears whilst others smash windows, burn flags and break heads. At the end of the day it won't advance their aims a single inch but you have to agree its quite fun to watch.
The harsh reaction by the UK stems for the fact the territorial dispute with Argentina has become an important part of British national identity...
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never had colonies,on the contrary ,it was once a colony of Spain..At the same time the UK at one point had the largest colonial empire in human history...still has some overseas territories.
The British Empire began to crumble after World War II ,losing territory after territory,and by the beginning of 1980,it was only a shadow of its former greatness....
PLEAS READ BELOW PARAGRAPH CAREFULLY ...
The recent first conflict appeared in the spring of 2007,After the Argentina Government decided to suspend the cooperation with the UK on production of hydrocarbons in the islands.At almost as the same time
the British began drilling.Argentina passed a law requiring permits for foreign vessels to travel within 500 km.of the Argentine coast...
UK reaction was swift .The destroyer HMS Dauntless was dispatch to the island..According to the British media ,citing Government surces,a nuclear powered submarine with cruise missiles will be transfered to the islands...
THANKS READING ABOVE PARAGRAPH CAREFULLY.
Other Regional and Super Powers could provide substantial assistance to the Argentina and Latin America countries in defending their interests in terms of fair access to develop the resources of the disputed territories...
They'll just use it as another bag of lies about how the Argtards didn't have anything to do with the People's Argtard Junta and avoid acknowleding the popular support behind the invasion of the islands.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then they'll say that people being beaten up by Maximo's Le Camping are being beaten for the honour of the country and all the missing money is going to their dear leader to make them strong enough to manage the country into a utopian future of wealth.
It's the same nonsense prattle that comes out of DPRK, albeit the names have changed.
@8 Murky thinking indeed. I have read it very carefully, twice, and still can't take t seriously but I suppose 2007 to 2012 is swift in terms of a grievance stretching back from the 21st to the 18th Century.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Other Regional and Super Powers could provide substantial assistance to the Argentina and Latin America countries in defending their interests in terms of fair access to develop the resources of the disputed territories.”
first of all the territory isnt disputed as far as the Uk is concerned and secondly people could involve themselves - if they were bothered. however no one is bothered because its a non issue and everyone else has a life to get on with.
You RG's seemed to have changed your tune from “everyone supports us” to “people could get involved if they want to”.
How come you say nothing about French Guyana, a French OT on South american land when you mention colonialism? how come when you mention militarising the region you say nothing about 10 US bases in colombia or 15,000 Venezuelan troops massing on the colombian border?
I tell you why you dont because you Argies are a bunch of hypocrites.
the reason we have forces on the FI is because YOU INVADED THEM IN 1982 AND WILL DO SO AGAIN GIVEN HALF A CHANCE.
Your country however is bust and will become increasingly more so as the US and others, prompted by the UK, turn the economic screw on you although frankly you are doing a good enough job yourselves of totally fucking over your own economy through incompetence and corruption.
@8 Your logic is hilariously fallacious. “Argentina has never had colonies,on the contrary ,it was once a colony of Spain”, the two statements are completely unrelated and yet curiously joined by 'on the contrary' as if being a colony of Spain meant that a country could never colonise anywhere e.g. Patagonia, Tierra del fuego, Antarctica, Falkland Islands, South Georgia, Parts of Chile, Parts of Paraguay, Uruguay, South Sandwich Islands. Just because you were once a colony of Spain, doesn't mean you are 'physically incapable' or 'logically incapable' of being a coloniser. In fact History shows your comment to be a simple lie.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a colonising country. That's a simple FACT.
@11 I agree, a leopard cannot change its spots. They'll invade again... it's just a question of when and with what.
@12 And if it isn't then, fallacious logically, neither is the former Roman, Saxon, Danish and Norman colony of Britain.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0With an established history of imperialism and colonization,Britain has long coveted the windswept these islands as a strategical shipping stopover and treasure-throve of natural recources such as fish and oil..
With Economy declining termainally at home ,Britain is exploring ways to save itself either by virtue of climbing on the shoulders of others..digging its imperialistacilly colonialist claws into others...These Islands or by foisting its weapons off on nations with a turbulent status -quo such as Bahrain ( !)....
That the British Government is contemplating another imperialistic adventure in these islands is an irrefutable assumption but it is painly diffucult conjecture how Britain is going to achieve this nefarious objective....
@13 I don't think he understands the reciprocal nature of the colonised becoming the coloniser. Certainly with Spain now being their neocolonialist pet.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Now what you're doing is ignoring the clear fact that Argentina is a colonising country and you're trying to redirect the commenter's attentions onto how 'evil' you think the UK is. Rather than admitting that by it's very nature of wanting islands and land around it, Argentina is a colonising power. You cannot even say Antarctica is an integral part of Argentina, neither can you say Argentina never 'colonised' patagonia.
Argentina is no better than 1990s Iraq when it invaded Kuwait for it's resources.
No one has been misdirected by your amateurish comment.
.” She also said very little of the report needed to remain classified — just the names of an active Argentine intelligence agent and an Islander who collaborated with Argentine forces.....
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now there is a story for the Penquin news to follow up !
MurkyThink.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me put it this way.
My family has lived in England and Ireland as far back as my family tree is recorded. My family did not colonise any part of the world.
Your family got on those boats from Spain and sailed half way across the world and colonised South America.
Yet you constantly go on about how we're the colonists.
We know full well our country's history was colonial in nature, Unlike Argentina we do not refuse to admit it. Argentinians constantly moan on about our colonial history while your country was built from colonialism.
“With an established history of imperialism and colonization”
Stones should not be thrown whilst living in a glass house.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Give me your views on France and the fact that French Guyana is an OT of their nation that IS ON SOUTH AMERICAN SOIL RIGHT NEXT TO BRAZIL!
what about Aruba or the antilles islands - Dutch - even closer to the SA mainland than the Fi is. all of this huffing and puffing about the UK by your fellow SA is just that - they ignore what is right on their own doorstep - hypocrisy of the highest order.
No mention of them when you give your hysterical “colionalism” speak.
Lets face it some countries like Argentina has an inferiority complex about countries like the UK. You are jealous of our success over the years.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then , no need the “” self determination rights“” to these islands.!
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You say :
....10 bases in Colombia...15000 troops in Venezuela
I say :
In 2010,long mobilisation against BP in the Casanare region in Colombia has escalated after the Colombian Army entered the BP installations with force and confronted the workers who have been peacefully occupying BP installations to protest BP's failure to conclude
negotiations with the workers and community...
BP continued the support to the --16 th Brigade --which was created in 1991 in order to provide security to the Casanare Oil Field.As said that they have a long cruel documented history of human rights violations,including extrajudical executions,dissapearence,murders,torture and rape ,forced dispalements of campeniso communities .However the grave humanitarian crisis in Casanare and its relationship to the oil industry.--in particular to BP--is not deterring to Movement for the Dignity of Casanare.
@8 - There are no regional super powers in your region.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0And if Argentina was supported by another military (remember their are no super powers in your sub-continent) then the UK could simply invoke the EU/UN/NATO/USA which would simply crush any military in the region. The UK could actually fight multiple forces in the region on its own and win.
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The economy in terminal decline - Err no, I think you mean Argentina. All economic data supports Argentina is in terminal decline where as they UK is weathering the storm and to prove it still holds the highest credit rating in the world which even the USA does not have.
What imperialistic adventure are you referring too? From where I'm sitting the UK is simply defending the Falkland Islander's from the tyranny of Argentina.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we compare the Guyanas with here that could be distraction.
But we can compare These Island with Diego Garcia !!!!
UK Court proceeding initiated by the Chagossians ( The Diego Garcia native people) since 2000 labyrinthine in their complexity and its spite of notable judgements asserting,at minimum a qualified right of return
successive British Governments have continued with determined and throughly deceptive stratagems to prevent any return...
For a thorough descriptions of the entire saga and the legal position up to and including the summer of 2006,the High Court Judgement in 11 May 2006.which unamiguously affirms their full right of return with a memorable description of the eviction as ....illegal , repugnant and breach of accepted moral standarts. The judgement is also notable for the comparasion its draws with the case of these South Atlantic islands.
@21 French Guyana is not a distraction here. It's more relevant because it's on the South American mainland and the Falklands are overseas from South America in the Atlantic. If you're looking for colonialism in South America then you need not look any further than French Guyana.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot see the relevance of Diego Garcia as the people were bought from the Mauritian government with no current inhabitants. The people living on there were brought over by the French and had no property rights. Then the Mauritian government provided them with housing and reparations in order for them to live in another part of their territory. The comparison is not clear at all, because it wasn't ethnic cleansing in anyway different to a compulsory purchase in order to create an airport, military base or rail route.
I cannot see any similarities with the Falklands. The South Atlantic Islands (georgia, south sandwich islands, south orkneys) don't have anyone on them other than a few scientists.
You're not very good at logical thought.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the concluding the secret deal with the US,the British Government Government was faced with what turned out to be a “” minor “” stumbling block ,namely the indigenious Chagossian people also happened to be UK citizen.The solution however was clear from the onset
since the Americans did not want a “” population problem“” the islanders had to go and never return.Thus between 1965 and 1973 the British Government systematically deported all the Chagossian people.....Another pressure tactic used by the British Government was to buy out the sole employer of labour on the islands....in 1973 the Chagossians were crammed into the “” Nordvaer “” vessel bound for Mauritius....
And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
@23 I'm still got getting your attempt to redirect the topic away from the people of argentina's popular illegal invasion of the Falklands, which went against UN Security Council Rulings 502 and 505.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem upset about the Chagossian people, which is fine, but it's not relevant to this situation. They never had any property rights and were only there working. They were deported by the Mauritian government and rehoused with huge amounts of compensation relative to local standards. Have you thought of going to another newspaper article where they are discussing this??
Anyways.. back to the illegal invasion of the Falklands by the people of Argentina. How illegal was that?
(answer: very)
“Then Argentina's ill-equipped army had to scramble into a war footing after British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sent a task force 13.000 kilometres into the South Atlantic to take the Falklands back.”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another twisted version of history by Argentina. The poor, nice friendly Argentine Marines who clearly landed in FI with only clothing and equipment for a jolly 'long weekend' were forced into military aggression by the British after the British despatched their Task Force. What bollox !!
The invasion and occupation was a rushed affair by the Junta leadership and who are entirely responsible for the deaths of their own troops, sailors & airman. The Junta took the decisions and therefore all responsibility.
@26 When it comes to propaganda, these Argtards aren't even very good. They seem to want everyone to forget that people lined the streets cheering for the war, and instead want people to not blame the military, and not blame the people, and only blame a few people at the top. Maybe an attempt to stop people suing the people of Argentina for reparations.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, however even the guy who invaded South Georgia was some beast involved in the Dirty war, and people did line the streets cheering, it's on youtube.
The blame for the illegal invasion of the falklands does and always will lie firmly at the feet of the Argentinian people. The sooner they realise this, the quicker we all get over it.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These islands maybe good fortune to be in the former category and the Chagossians the misfortune to be in the latter.
Humanitarian considerations are utterly irrelevant ,except in so far as the people involved may represent either and exploitable asset or a disposable liability..
Don't you lot have anything better to do on a Saturday? I'm sat in the channel with a rod in one hand and a beer in the other. Sadly more worms on board than fish.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viva Argentina etc......
I'm reading a book in the park and getting some rays in.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't beat vitamin-D.
@27 - I totally accept what you say. Although the poor sheep of the RG people are easily lead and manipulated into their fanatiscim. btw , always enjoy reading your posts and analysis.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 - lol, no wonder you cant catch anything with a rod in one hand a mobile in the other. throw the lot overboard and get another beer !
Chaogossians were treated disgustingly no argument there.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FO tried to do the same with the Falklands. But the junta had nothing to offer and looked less than attractive to the islanders.
The invasion has made any hand over unthinkable and the argentine attitude and economy even worse.
Looks like the fi will be getting the oil :)
@8 MuckyThick. “The recent first conflict appeared in the spring of 2007” Conveniently forgetting the illegal invasion of 1982. “UK reaction was swift .The destroyer HMS Dauntless was dispatch to the island” Unfortunately, HMS Dauntless wasn't deployed until 2012. “According to the British media ,citing Government surces,a nuclear powered submarine with cruise missiles will be transfered to the islands” Unfortunately, the British government and the MoD NEVER comment on RN submarine deployments.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There isn't a regional “power” that has the equipment or ability to contest what is happening in Falkland Islands/British waters. There is already “fair access”.
@14 Britain has no need to “covet” these Islands. They ARE British. Forget the rest. Meanderings of a brainwashed psychotic.
@19 “Self-determination” is the right of all people. Argieland is an implanted population of genocides. Proud, are you?
You say:
Load of irrelevant crap.
I say:
Chinese tanks on the streets of Beijing.
Got any more?
@21 There are no “Chagossians”. Trust an argie to fall for a fairy tale. What a dipstick!
@23 Still no “Chagossians”.
In the meantime, argieland is still making unsubstantiated claims to territory that has been British since 1690. It still fails to explain the tens or hundreds of thousands, or even millions of argie “people” that thronged the streets celebrating how 66,000 argie “troops” and 4 naval task forces overcame 80 Royal Marines. There are video clips online. And so the review does not “exonerate” argie “people”. Every argie “person” was and is responsible. If they were there, they are responsible. If they agreed, they were responsible. And if they weren't born then but subscribe to the same views, they are responsible. Over 40 million people guilty of belligerency, war-mongering, attempted theft, psychosis.
Personally I think that the Chagossians have been treated shabbily but there does appear to be another side of the story which I recently came across and doesn't seem to be getting airtime.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was in a discussion group on CNN , I think it was , and it was written by somebody who had actually lived there as a civilian.
The story is that the Chagos Archipelago for most of recent history was uninhabited as it is basically uninhabitable.
There is no fresh water, food sources or other means of sustenance.Everything had to be brought in or nowadays distilled from seawater and brought in . The only non humans who survive there are birds,lizards and some feral donkeys which live in a fenced off area of the island.
The place had been known of for centuries by sailors but the first people to make use of it were the British who tried to use the islands for copra production using indentured contract labour from South Asia and Africa.The workers were given fixed term contracts and left when the contract was over.A small number over time stayed .
This copra production started in the mid Victorian era but by the mid 20th century (with the rise of mineral oil )was becoming uneconomic and was in decline so the islands were becoming a liability and the islanders,with no income, would have to be evacuated.
Along came the Americans ,with the almighty Dollar , needing a base in the area ,and hey presto a deal was done and a British liability was turned into an American asset.
The idea that Diego Garcia or any part of the Chagos Archipelago was a tropical paradise ,populated by happy natives living on fish and tropical fruit , was a million miles away from reality.Life is unsustainable without modern technology.
As the ex inhabitant mentioned in his posts circumstances are changing and the likelihood is that unless the Americans somehow raise part of the land the whole archipelago will be under sea level in the next 50 years.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David Cameron went on to say on 14 March 2012 during his US visit
“”.......to me it is very important that we stick up for the right of self determination.People in the F.I want to continue with their British status,...and what I want to do is send a very clear message...that while the islanders want that status,Britain will let them keep that status ..“”
Compare and contrast what Mr.Cameron might be required to say were he questioned similarly about the Chagossians...!
Chagossians? Just look at the Aborigenes in Australia to see how they are treated by Anglo-saxon culture of supremacy:
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
If citizens within anglo-saxon countries are not equal, what hope is there for ethnic groups in their territories? Let's remember in Anglo countries non-anglos darkies are shot as a sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
It's as natural as fox hunting, baby-seal clubbing, and hunting mammals to extinction in Anglo societies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
A bit of credit to the fact the UK did ban fox-hunting but it is still performed illegaly in a rampant fashion. We should imitate that culture, for sure lol.
@35 did you not read @34?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing you prefer not to read people's posts, rather than discuss the topic which is the Argentinian failures during their illegal invasion of the falkland islands.
Ah yet another thread and yet another attempt to attack the UK by Tobias.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're really starting to embarrass yourself to the level of Marcus, Think and the rest of those simpletons now.
Its a shame really as you are intelligent and were debating reasonably before but now you're down to the truly pathetic level of some of your countrymen now.
And posting a racist comment is truly hitting rock bottom.
Shame on you.
It is not a racist comment, is the truth. Anglo countries to the single solitary one were RACIST societies for their entire history. And while officially no longer, that sentiment lingers and is strong.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What am I embarrasing myself by posting what is perfectly accepted history?
It is the history that embarrasses you. That is what happens when you guys call us “nazis” on every solitary article. Now take it like men or get out of the kitchen. Anglos are a bunch of racist fools, fact.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A plucky Island people threatened and trampled upon by a wicked Argentina dictatorship and deserving of unconditional UK support remains the public face of UK policy to this day.The policy states that “” ...the UK recognized and encourages the Islanders' right of self determination ,including their right to remain British if that is their wish....“”
It is a narrative that is really accepted and supported by a well meaning but infinitely gullible majority in the UK itself , but as illustrated so vividly by the events described ,is denied outright so similarly qualified British subjects elsewhere should they be an obstacle to impererial interests.
'And an islander who collaborated with the Argentine Forces.' (one of the two thousand) - But she was probably a little old lady and they probably threatened her pet cat.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The report might have mentioned 'the soldiers were told that they were going to liberate the population and that they would be welcomed' - By one person seemingly.
Pitiful.
“Argentina declassifies scathing review of blunders committed during Malvinas war” and that is important becauseeeeeeeee...?
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't half talk a load of shit. Pardon my French.
Doveundercover and British Kuntchner might be supporters but they are as Argentinian as Stinka, so they hardly count.
Look, the Islands belong to us, so f--k off before we really take offence.
Having Argentinians, who love genociding and invading other people's territory, go on and on and on without admitting the aforementioned facts, is quite tiresome.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should just come out and say they love war, because then it would at least be consistent with their actions.
@44 Most of us HATE the war!!!!
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tenet of the “” British Imperial Project“” through both its 19 th century rise and its 20 th century decline .Its rise is the story of vast geopolitical ambition which generated,refined and consolidated a complex and ruthless structure of powerful wealthy interests controlling all domestic institutions that mattered.Its decline is the story of that same power structure,fighting a rearguard action of self-preservation involving a complex alliance and integration with NATO on geopolitical military matters.Just like “” Consiglieri to Capofamilia relationship !!“”
Throughout this period of relative national decline,the “” British Imperial Project“” has gradually made tried to morphed into the global “” Global NATO Imperial Project“”.
@45 There you have it, another Argentinian saying they hate war when they clearly love war and jumped about in the street as soon as they were told they had invaded. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the argentinians were to jump about in glee and happiness at news of the war.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They love war and expansionism. Even now they are saying they want the whole South Atlantic to be Argentine.
I feel to sum it up I need to quote KFC and Néstor when they said, “WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH”.
“...AND BOTOX IS AWESOME!”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 you put everyone into the same bag!
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite the fact what you said is true, you think what you wish if you think 100% of us love the war!
I think you are an ignorant Mr Greek...
And Brits are still racist, as actions speak louder than words.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XznKrqJbJL4
Black, Polish, Paki, there you go.
50 Brits are still racist
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's racist you yellow prick.
Doesn't make the RG's right.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do all of you get so mad at me when I'm just saying something everyone is aware of? No different than everyone knows argies don't follow through on agreements. At least I admit that.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So there we have it. Rather than allowing people to discuss the nature of the Blunders caused during the 'Malvinas' (they don't exist) War, Argentinians diverge the conversation onto a topic of whether the British are racist or not.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In this way they never have to look inwards and see whether the news that people are reporting about themselves is inherently true.
Mr Greek, have you ever had the chance to talk to an Argentinian face to face? Without a computer in the middle? Do you have the same guts to talk to him or her in the same way you do here?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think we hate you? That does not happen at all. The war is over man!! There are many things that you can say agains CFK but she will never go to war! That will not happen again! If it happens, I would feel really disapointed and I will apologize...
Listen to me, try to have a talk to an argentinian some day and you will see we are not wild people ready to slaughter you! Please, try it some day if you want!
everyone knows argies don't follow through on agreements. At least I admit that.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why would you imagine that a British Government would even think about sitting down and negotiating with a Country and people who admit they never keep their word. Bit daft really.
It surprises me that nobody seems to mention that when Argentina wanted to assert some rights to the Patagonia, in order to keep it from belonging to Chile, they settled the land with people from Great Britain (Wales and the Falkland Islands).
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't. And the islands belong to the Falklanders, not us. So there is nothing to negotiate. All I ask is your side stop calling me, us, nazis solely on the fact of being Argentine. Otherwise I shall continue my TTT (truth telling troll) campaign.
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Anglos are racist. That is the topic at hand, sorry.
@55 I've met Argentinians before and why would I behave any differently in reality? They know better than to bring up their warmongering history with a British person and I know better than to let them talk about the Falklands.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the war is over, then why impose an economic blockade on the poor Falklanders? They're trying to make a living and you're trying to prevent that. Doesn't look like the war has ended to me, just changed track.
This computer matters not.
@57 That has been discussed before but always a valid comment to bring up.
@57
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would it be an issue? Did Argentina forced the brits to settle in Patagonia, no. They did engage in racist behavior down there, I am informed, which is why there are natives left in northern Argentina (Spanish colonized), and not in the south (British colonized). 1 +1 ...
@47 GreekYoghurt...There it is, I think you have really described the situation as it is. The Argentinian government wishes to own not only their own country but vast swathes of the South Atlantic and Antarctica, which of course includes the South Atlantic Islands and the continental shelf around them. This looks very impressive on the map and will no doubt be rich in resources. Of course there is a tiresome country which is preventing this. Argentina's claim is a false one and they know that they are wrong but they would like it to be right and will do whatever possible to convince others that they are right, including themselves. (It's called propaganda.) What they are trying to achieve is nothing short of a big confidence trick. They are using Britain's colonial era as a pretext for gaining support in order to in some way over-ride the historical facts which clearly support Britain's rightful ownership. If we allow this injustice to occur then the joke will be on us.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course all things Antarctic are off the agenda in terms of territory but should this change in the future and were Britain not to be involved, Argentina would no doubt be turning it's attention to bullying Chile with regard to their Antarctic claims.
@61
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Britain's mission in the world is to stop Argentina in the name of the Americas? You make me feel important, thanks!
Britain can have a slice of Antarctica, so can Chile. So what is the big deal, what Argentina complains is that the British goal is to disposess Argentina from the Antarctic, which is not exactly “sharing”.
@62 Not really Tobias, we just happen to have populated a some islands which you want. We will hopefully defend our rights and our people and if in doing so this prevents your governments ambitions, tough titty.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really don't have a clue what should or will happen with regard to Antarctic, if anything different.
tobias @60 - No issue, just a simple example of “colonization” by Argentina.
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mates .... how was my performance today on my comments
@ 8, @ 14,@ 19,@ 21,@23,@28,@35,@40.@46
irresistable !..............isnt it .....!
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Scott believes the Islanders ( Northern Isles)-- who until the 15 th century were ruled from Norway-- have their own right of self determination.
I wonder why the Argentine president decided to reveal the contents of this report. Does anyone know if Argentina has FOI laws similar to the UK?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By all accounts the Argentine troops on the ground didn't stand a chance. Not only were a large number of the ORs under-trained and very inexperienced, the same applied to a lot of the officers. The poor buggers didn't expect to have to adopt a war footing.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it is pretty obvious that the correct tactical decision for Argentina would have been to surrender once it was obvious the that they hadn't prevented the British task force from putting its troops on the ground.
A terrible loss of life and so unnecessary. What were they thinking?
@66
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason she has made the report public now is because when the Rg economy/country is up shit creek its usually the military who take over ie a coup. However she is merely reminding the RG people that no matter how hard it gets remember that you dont want the military in power.
the shit is about to hit the fan and she wants everyone to understand that there is no alternative to her.
what needs to happen now is a credible and well backed opposition emerge however La Campora would soon be in amongst that lot suppressing any opposition.
Remember that the Argentine is militarily hopeless for a reason - it stops a coup in RG Land.
Antarctica ?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ended with the seven countries and five others signing a treaty that divided the continent into sectors ,military deployment,nuclear waste,
explotation resources until 2048...Britain was drawing submission claiming at Northwestern Antarctica suggesting that some oil reserves there which took the international community even more aback then Russia's flag planting three months before.Certainly the territory is disputed by Chile and Argentina .... Britain's role is uncertain right now.
67 The Crestian
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That explanation sounds plausible. Doe anyone else have a view on why the contents of the report were revealed? Was it something that had to be revealed according to some kind of official secrets act anyway or did the president simply make the decision to reveal it?
Who cares? Europe from Italy to Sweden are dirty, smelling, unshaved armpits.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one cares about Europeans anymore or what they think.
@70 You're just upset because we're all talking about Argentina's claims to large swathes of Antarctica outlining its colonialism in action. Because you're a part of Maximo's Hitler Youth, you're not allowed to talk about the 'Argentinian Colonial Territory of Antarctica' and you'll have to resort to making petty ad hominem attacks instead.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep it up tobias, we all know what you do.
@68
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK's role isnt uncertain at all. do you just make this up?
what is certain is that its highly likely that the RG base on Antarctica is the only one that has weapons in it.
@70
you RG's dont care about anyone but yourselves full stop.
You refute ad hominem attacks with ad hominem attacks.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know what ad hominem means? Maybe not, the rumour is that Neanderthal DNA is strongest in the British Isles.
Could probably have sent the task force 6 months after and half the argentine army would have been dead anyway poor bastards:(.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands are very unforgiving.
@72
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We care only about other human beings. Anything outside Argentina is obviously not a human being, so we treat you accordingly.
The artical says the report reveals that the Argentine troops were sent from sub-tropical conditions to winter without the proper boots, clothing or weapons. Does this indicate that the junta was in a big hurry or was that simply the way they did things in the 80's?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This aect of the conflict always intrigued me. I guess it all still comes back to them not expecting a reaction from the UK. So if that was true then the clothing and equipment would've sufficed until they built some sort of base of their own in Stanley. Or maybe they would have just thrown all of the residents out and taken over their accommodation.
@75 Speak for yourself, not other Argentines. They care a lot about people outside of Argentina and the mess their country is in.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a confessed nazi now.... what else do I need to show to prove it? You are irrelevant Elaine, and a racist against the Argentine race. Because that is what your patronizing is, racism. We don't want your care, we want you GONE.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle, chuckle. Have you been drinking?
No, I'm a nazi. Since I been calle one since day one, I might as well convert, and I did.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think what pisses the UK, USA, EU, Brazil, Chile, China, the rest of Latin America, is that we tell it to your face we don't care about you, with our actions we tell you that you mean nothing to us, and that hurts youre self-deluded arrogance and racism.
@80 Doesn't hurt me at all. I'm just happy that you've come to terms with who you are rather than just spending your time desperately trying to take the comments off topic.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So who is the one who can't self-reflect now Greek?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I realized I'm a nazi. You are a racist, acne-ridden, xenophobic, ignorant, monolingual, poorly educated, parrochial, unimaginative, pedantic man (ANGLO for short).
Try admitting it, the rest of the world knows it already that's why so many are trying to blow you out of the water through terrorism, so you might as well. It will be a sublime liberation.
@80
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”youre (sic) self-deluded arrogance and racism”.
Breathtaking coming from a member of La Campora. Simply breathtaking.
84
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've reported this post for being written in Spanish mad asked that it be removed.
@82 Stop wallowing in self-pity.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing you will say will stop me visiting Argentina, working, spending time with friends and continuing to tell the truth about what I see there, and what Argentines tell me.
@83 Yep, he's in Le Camping and he thinks we don't know what sort of person he really is.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82 The best part about Mendoza is the way they're so sh!t that they call their stadium 'The stadium of Malvinas is Argentinian” (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Malvinas_Argentinas).
Like seriously, how weak is that? hahahahah I'm going to look for other things called Malvinas Argentinas. Not in Mendoza but you have Malvinas Argentinas area in Buenes Aires, Malvinas Argentinas Airport in Ushuaia (no flights to falklands from there though) which says “The Airport is officially claimed by Argentina as the airport for the disputed Falkland Islands.”. Where does that put Mount Pleasant Airport then? and given that the cruise companies have dropped Ushuaia from their schedules, who is going to use it now?
These argies are hilarious with their fun ways.
Well, it's been an enlightening experience living through a simulated conversion from moderate to nationalist, to jingoist to nazi in the course of the last 7 hours. I must admit being a nazi (or a racist like many of you here), is quite exhausting. Learning languages seems pale in comparison, so to all you racists out there, respect (even if you are scum).
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will be my final posting here, though on ocassion I may pop in to make a comment. But it is clear this website is for extremist haters of Argentina, and for blind zealots of CFK policy which is leading us nowhere. There is no place for debate, exchange, or compromise here.
I know very well one cannot compromise or bring peronists to reason, and I have learned one cannot bring xenophobes to reason. They will do what they will do. As long as they remain in this little corner called Mercopress, the rest of us are safe. I wish I could say the same for the former.
In closing, most of you here have serious issues to confront and perpend on. Indeed, to generalize about a whole country like all of you readily do on a daily basis is disturbing to the mind, and I tried it today for a couple of hours and have a huge headache because of it. It must something you are either born or cultured into being, pretty sad.
Sig Heil / Hasta la Victoria Siempre (99% of you surely will appreciate one or the other). To the other 1%, Good Bye/Chau.
All the misty eyed handwringing is little more than shabby window dressing. TMB is looking for a scapegoat. Clearly, the whole RG nation is psychopathic. No apologies for the innocent Islanders killed as a consequence of the criminal RG sneak invasion. No apologies for indescriminate, (& criminal) sowing of landmines. No apologies for loss to families of the nearly 1ooo servicemen killed because of the stupid “mistake”. No apologies for the maimed, disabled and wasted lives. No apologies for the wasted resources. No recognition that the whole RG nation orgasmically supported the massive overwhelming inundation and attack on an island living at peace, as it had done for generations.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. RG's still brain wash their children. TMB has received a message. The whole world thinks that RG land is out of whack.
@87 Enjoy your time there in Le Camping. I hope the hotel work suits you.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88 Pretty much. This whole report was to prevent the apologies. To turn it into 'them' and not 'we'. The Junta must apologise but the argentinians dancing in the streets in glee are absolved.
It also means they can prepare themselves to have another go.
84
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Mercopress.
“oh the blue and white flag with the smiling face, lets weep for all the people we sent to their deaths”.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do these people make me want to vomit?
Jo
As usual, MercoPress provides information in a biaised form. And the only person consulted to comment the info is...one of the 17 Argentines having recently made a text supporting the British position. Not to speak about the tune of the comments here, this is just usual...
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone actually want to discuss the article's contents or just insult each other? A few friends told me this was a good site but so far I am a little puzzled. Does anyone discuss anything in a constructive way on here?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 Marcelo Kohen
Are you suggesting the article is not even-handed? If so, I'd like to hear your views please.
93 Joe Bloggs:
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You were mislead. This whole website is a place people go to argue over the falklands.
It's amusing when bored but you wont find a whole lot of worthwhile debate.
Dear Agrentinians, it is really time to stop calling the Falkland Islands the Malvinas. How would you like it if you were called something foreign like La La Land ?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're not La La Land are you?
, is that we tell it to your face we don't care about you, with our actions we tell you that you mean nothing to us///
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[We don’t think, CFK actually said that, did she]
The point here is, [why]
Why is she letting this out now, not that it interests anyone, most of us knew this anyway,
Unless she is hoping to distant herself from the junta, giving the impression that today Argentina is a democracy, and nothing like the aggressive bully of the past,
And of course depending on your beliefs,
And believing that CFK and her new Argentina, of peace and politeness’, and always willing to enforce peoples human rights,
Then one has to wonder just who is,
Bullying and threatening the islanders, who then is insulting them telling abhorrent lies abt them,
Try to blockade them, trying to steal there country from under there feet,
Who then is denying these innocent islanders there freedom, their human rights, their right to freely decide who they wish to be,
But of course all this would not be down to the new peaceful innocent new Argentina, rules by a newer CFK [would it ]
.
@ 82
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Nazism has beeen living on since W.W.II...also many of senior members of the Nazi Administration found many jobs at postwar Germany...here is the some of them...:
Hans GLOBKE (former official in Nazi Interior Ministry) was the chief of staff of K.ADENAUER..
Kurt Georg KIESSINGER ( former Nazi Party member) was the Chancellor of Germany 1966-1969..
Karl SHILLER (former Nazi member) was the minister between 1966- 1972...
Hans LEUSSINK ( former Nazi member ) was the Education Minister..
Gerhard SCHRÖDER ( former Nazi member) was the Foreign Minister..
Richard JAEGER (former Nazi member) was the Justice Minister1966/67...
Horst EHMKE (former Nazi member) was the cabinet member 1969/74
Walter SCHEEL (former Nazi member) was the Germany president..
Friedrich ZIMMERMANN ( former Nazi member) was the Cabinet member...
others................
finally it cames 30 years later the edited version of the report. And now what? what happens next?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( #) 97
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of list names is my relative !
The things some do, to claim publicity.mm..
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87tobias,
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dry your eyes, baby.
What wallowing self-pity, eurkk!
@99yul,
Where have you been? We've missed you my Turkish kebab.
perhaps he has seen o.gara. on his travels .
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 097 McClick
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines are experts on fascism.
The last U-Boats docked in Argentina 3 months after the end of the war, having sunk ships on their way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
DID HITLER SURVIVE THE WAR IN ARGENTINA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
U-977 Last of the U-boats
Surrendering 3 Months after Hitler’s Death She still causes controversy today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
Argentinean Anticommunist Alliance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
The Company They Keep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
The treasure included a couple of U-boats full of bearer bonds, numbered stock shares and patent certificates.
This represented:
... the hard core of Nazi wealth in Latin America. In 1944 a great treasure had been sent secretly across the Atlantic, the famous 'Bormann treasure.' Toward the end of 1943, Bormann gave orders for Aktion Fuerland “Operation Land of Fire” to begin. This operation involved the transport from Germany to Argentina of several tons of gold, some securities, shares, and works of art ...
... Several U-boats arrived in Argentine waters after the capitulation of Germany. They were the carriers of bundles of documents, industrial patents, and securities. On July 10, 1945, the U-530 surfaced at the mouth of the River Platte and entered the port of La Plata. The following month, on August 17, the U-977 also arrived at La Plata. In accordance with international conventions, both U-boats were interned by Argentina and later handed over to the United States authorities.
-- The Avengers, by Michael Bar-Zohar, Hawthorn Books, 1967, p 101
Freedom of expression in Argentina? The Nazification of Argentina:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
Which Nazis Fled To South America?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
Nazismo en Argentina - Silvano Santander
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Silvano Santander, an Argentine and politician and representative explains in his research many of the things that happened in Argentina during war time, as he had been part of the Research Commission on Anti-Argentinean Nazi activities since 1939.
He had to exile himself to Uruguay, as his life was at risk if he stayed due to his declarations. He had published a book, not very popular, titled: Nazismo en Argentina (Nazism in Argentina) the conquest of the Army investigating the events during the period 1943/1945 that lead to the coup of which Colonel Juan Peron was a leader member.
http://south.greyfalcon.us/survive.html
Argentines are not taught about their nations fascist history but they should be, because they were and remain a fascist nation - governed by a policy of nationalism, socialism and corporatism, with an external enemy and bold territorial ambitions.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://south.greyfalcon.us/survive.html
Silvano Santander, an Argentine and politician and representative explains in his research many of the things that happened in Argentina during war time, as he had been part of the Research Commission on Anti-Argentinean Nazi activities since 1939.
He had to exile himself to Uruguay, as his life was at risk if he stayed due to his declarations. He had published a book, not very popular, titled: Nazismo en Argentina (Nazism in Argentina) the conquest of the Army investigating the events during the period 1943/1945 that lead to the coup. He published in Montevideo another controversial book and unknown in July 1953, when Perón was still in power: Technique of a treason. Juan Perón and Eva Duarte Nazi Agents in Argentina, a very weird book that published pictures of Top Secret documents found in Berlin after its defeat and which compromised many people that had a lot of power in Argentina, besides attacking the sacred name of the diseased Evita and Perón, President of Argentina that had promoted himself from colonel to lieutenant general from coup to coup.
After Perón's defeat and escape in 1955 Santander was Ambassador in Spain and helped Simón Wiesenthal from 1958, when he created his document center.
1997 was the year of the awakening, the Jewish bodies started to investigate money and other financial value movements that the Nazis had done before the falling of the Regime. Argentina turned out to be the main destination for gold and financial reserves, besides being, in modern terms, a money laundry. Santander had denounced this almost forty five years before. Spree's among them, that lead to believe that at the end of July 1945 there would have been a disembarkment nearby
@ 92 No one cares what someone using the name “Marcelo Kohen” says. Cry little girl, you can't have the islands :)
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is another good book on Argentina and the Nazi's -
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-International-Postwar-Control-Conflict/dp/1931882932
Physicist and Oxford educated historian Joseph P. Farrell continues his best-selling series of exposés on secret Nazi technology, Nazi survival, and post-war Nazi manipulation of various manufacturing technologies, economies and whole countries. Beginning with pre-War corporate partnerships in the USA, including the Bush family, he moves on to the surrender of Nazi Germany, and evacuation plans of the Germans. He then covers the vast, and still-little-known recreation of Nazi Germany in South America with help of Juan Peron, I.G. Farben and Martin Bormann. Farrell then covers Nazi Germany’s Penetration of the Muslim World including Wilhelm Voss and Otto Skorzeny in Gamel Abdul Nasser’s Egypt before moving onto the development and control of New Energy Technologies including the Bariloche Fusion Project, Dr. Philo Farnsworth’s Plasmator, and the Work of Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev. Finally, Farrell discusses the Nazi desire to control space, and examines their connection with NASA, the esoteric meaning of NASA Mission Patches, plus final chapters on: Alchemy, Esotericism, The SS and the Unified Field Theory Craze; 1943-1945: Strange Events from the end of World War II and other “Postwar Shenanigans.” This book is literally packed with information.
There are literally hundreds of books on Argentina and the Nazi's on Amazon,here's another interesting one -
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Real Odessa: How Peron Brought the Nazi War Criminals to Argentina - Uki Goni
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Real-Odessa-Criminals-Argentina/
The whole issue of leading Nazis fleeing to South America and Argentina in particular at the end of WWII given the long known admiration the Peronist leadership had for Hitler and the Nazis seems a ready made amazing latter day discovery and revelation story picked up on many years after the end of that war.
It skilly describes the escape route for many Nazis and their non-German collaborators after WW2. It is interesting to note how 100's escaped to Juan Peron's pro-Nazi Argentina, including members of the Belgian Rexist Party, French Vichy Regime and Croatian Ustashi.
It also demonstrates Pope Pius XII's connection to the Nazi escape routes, to a great degree organised by Catholic clergymen, such as Father Krunoslav Draganovic and Father Alois Hudal. Those who constantly claim that the highest elements of the Catholic Church weren't anti-Semitic and didn't support the Nazis are kidding themselves and are obviously refusing to acknowledge the truth, even when it slaps them in the face.
There is extensive evidence in Goni's book but also other books, such as Vladimir Dedijer's “Yugoslav Auschwitz”, clearly demonstrating that members of the Croatian Ustashi were personally blessed by Pius himself in 1941 and unofficially supported the Ustashi's genocide of Serbs, Jews and Romanies in the Independent State of Croatia. So much for Catholic “morality” and “values”.
The Jewish population in Argentina is the largest in Latin America and the sixth largest in the world outside Israel. As of 2006 it was estimated a population of around 184,500 Jews according to some estimates, 2 others, based on a report by the JOINT (or JDC: Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, Jewish commission joint distribution) based on a sample of 30,000 households, estimated ( in the year 2005) 233.000 Jews in Buenos Aires and its surroundings, based on the definition of Jews according to the Law of Return to Israel ... Depending on the times, the reasons were always the same: expulsions, persecutions, pogroms, anti-Semitism. From the Inquisition to the Holocaust the Jewish community has found a home in Argentina land where to settle and grow.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_de_los_jud%C3%ADos_en_Argentina
British fascist parties
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_de_los_jud%C3%ADos_en_Argentina
Another very well calculated move by a cleaver politician. She has successfully fired up the Argentines with her rhetoric on the Falklands issue and garnered much support from the masses. It is time now to pour cold water on any desire by the Argentine military to share any of this adulation, it belongs to CFK and she's not going to share any of it. She is the standard bearer for this issue and even if she is ousted in the next round of elections I think she's going to own this issue for the foreseeable future. It may even be her ticket back to power should she ever be deposed, which is reasonable to think, since the Argentine economy probably only has 2 - 3 years before totally imploding.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@95 They do have a real name in English, if you look at the maps it's called Marmierda (Argentina).
Mar 25th, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@109 what does having a large jewish population or the BNP have to do with anything? I think you'll find that for a long period of time in recent history Argentina had a visa ban on jewish people entering Argentina. Peron disliked them as much as his buddy Adolf.
There are more Jews in the UK Cero, and “fascist” parties have never had any real success in the UK, which is not the case in Argentina, where they have been in power...
Mar 25th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@112 the current 'family dictatorship' pen their ideological roots back to Hitlers BFF Juan Peron. That explains two things:
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) Argentina's overt expansionist policies.
b) Their underlying white-first policies.
What does that tell you about how much Argies love Israelites?
** 105 anti
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nazis are neither racist nor fascist
( fascism is a technical term ,must be used carefully,all countries are all fascist today )
My grantfather( my dad side) is from Bulgaria,went to Germany to engineering educating,after university became Nazi Party member and after sent to Barbarossa Operation as Intelligence attendant.
In 60 th years on ,he lived few years in Sweden and USA.he was an Intelligence Member in reality as well as his engineering ......died when 90 years old.
I never heard bad things from him about on the Jews !
and his library does not have any documents/diaries about them.
As well known that ,the wars are producing some victims.Do we know what is going on in Guantanamo ( in the US enemy Cuba)..No !
I think/believe that the Jews are used as media material to cover up past
historical activities to feed up gullible people.Don't believe to media salads .....!
109 Cero
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fascism has never been about Jews. Jews were just used as distraction. Also, the size of a Jewish population has never been an indicator of the lack of racism. Pre war Germany had Europe's largest Jewish population, it didn't protect them. But fascism has never been about Jews, they just became an “enemy within” to rally around.
In Argentina Peronism is fascism. But what constantly amazes me is the average Argentine has no concept of this history of the Peronism that has dominated Argentina on the left and right - characterised my fanatical nationalism, socialism and corporatism (the later mostly American corporations), interspersed by regular military coups. The military coups were led by fascist military Generals, as in 1943, when Colonel Peron came to the fore and promoted himself to General only to dominate Argentine politics for several generations with the Peronism he brought home from his visit to Mussolini and fascist Italy. It is not a secret, it's common academic knowledge in the West.
Juan Peron's third wife Isabela was the President that brought in the fanatical AAA Argentine fascist movement to help disappear people in the 1970's, helped by a fascist military and police all preforming the work of large (American) corporations who wanted an Argentina free from the kind of left wing politics that would see their hold on the market eroded.
I don't write this because I hate Argentina, I write it because you people need to get out of the box and see what dominates your society and it isn't good.
Tens of thousands of your own young people tortured, raped, murdered for thinking differently (as young people tend to do) is utterly disgusting. Perhaps as many as 100,000, at least as many as 50,000, most never to be seen again, their graves unknown, most dumped into the sea from military transport aircraft. Claiming ownership of other peoples land, the population of which want nothing to do with you. Nationalism used to whip up hysteri
** 115 anti
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bravo ...!
BUT
theere are some unlucky women around them,
for examples...
Lucia Hirart Pinochet ...his Oedipus complexity love(Lucy)....
Alicia Rachel Videla .......7 children mum housewife....
@36 Of course you don't have a problem with darkies in Argentina do you? The population of Argentina was 50% black... until you murdered them all. You hypocritical genocidal colonising b******!
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro_Argentine
Extermination of the Native population
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Extermination of the 50% Negro population
Extermination of Left Wing Youth
Most of this committed within the 20th Century in Argentine under military and fascist governments. You can't make it up. Argentina is a truly despicable place, which is why it was the No1 destination of choice for fleeing Nazi and fascist war criminals from across Europe.
Nester and Cristina's family fled there. What is their murky history? I'm sure there must be card carrying Nazi's in their Croat, German and Austrian families.
Argentine military = cowards
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for raping, torturing and killing children, not too good at fighting a professional Army.
Good at mounting fascist coups, not too good at running a cuntry.
Good at beating conscripts senseless, not too good at professional leadership!
Sound failure?
@ 117
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vodka & Lemon .....za vashe zdarov ye..!
@ 118
Just sure..but nothing knowing..!
The Argentine Formula of Arrogance + Ignorance = Incompetence obtains today.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 years and a shit from Right to Left or Military to Civilian control has done nothing to change the basic framework of the society or the rigid mind-set of the people.
As someone here once said, “Somos incorrigible.”
@ 121
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“” power always seems to be elsewhere “”....Bertrand Russell.!
@118, that is the truth about the Kirchner family, “Kirchner” sounds German to me and Cristina's family name is “Wilhelm” her ugly old bat Mom is still around “Ofelia Wilhelm” sounds kinda German to me. And if you read about Cristina on the internet, it says her parents were “immigrants from Spain”, doesn't sound too convincing to me!
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@123 I raised this question about both Nestor and KFC's parents. They all 'appeared' in argentina at the right time (same time as the U-boats) and they all claimed to be from somewhere where the SS were all known to be gaining fake identities, switzerland, croatia, et cetera.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not unlikely that this is yet another festering pot of Nazism in South America rearing its head.
Then again, the Ubermenschen are all tall with blonde hair and blue eyes, and that's hardly a fitting description of Maximo and not-lady-gaga.
Ah, it's good to know that the Rattenbach Report has been “de-classified!”
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I, for one, have owned a copy for over 20 years of:
“Informe Rattenbach:” El Drama de Malvinas
Ediciones Espartaco, Serie Documentos Historicos
Buenos Aires/1988/Argentina. 318 pages.
No kidding,
Philippe
112 J.A. Roberts
Mar 25th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you Based on a Census results to be shared? which one? On the other hand, you say fascist parties have not been successful in the UK, but we have not had even fascist parties. so, don't call us fascist.
115 Anti-Fascist
Fascism is the result between the world wars and world wars arise as a result of the greed of the “great powers” to obtain larger territories. countries like Italy, UK, USA, Japan, etc. have killed countless people for more power and agree on a carve. Things that are happening today. And you are calling Argentina fascist?
I see you are very interested to know about Argentina, and in fact spend much time studying our history. I ask you please, since you talk about our missing people, you should learn about Operation Condor and the shit they've done the “great powers” to have more power. and the power, my friend, is who tells you what you have to say.
“The fact that the former leader of the Montoneros, Mario Firmenich, who is a confessed murderer, is contemplating a return to Argentina once he is sure that he will not be brought before a judge cries to high heaven of injustice”.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/96320/more-unity-than-division
Of course who was in Montoneros?
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/96320/more-unity-than-division
what a foul regime exists in BA.
@62 “Britain can have a slice of Antarctica”. How desperately kind of you, old boy! Now research shows that Britain claimed the British Antarctic Territory from 20°W to 80°W in 1908. Not until 1943 (35 years later) did argieland come along and claim 25°W to 74°W. Have you ever heard of the concept that you don't claim something that already belongs to someone else? You've already admitted that the Falklands don't belong to argieland. Now admit that Britain's claim to the BAT predates that of argieland and the territory is therefore British.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 You're going, going, gone? What a shame? Obviously we Brits have more fortitude. And that is why we will always oppose your imperialist colonialism. And we should not forget that the nazis' long term aim was to create another german empire.
Another strike for truth and openness by my Queen, the attempts to make this a negative by the haters on here are pathetic. As another Christina put it, she is beautiful (and democratic!) no matter what you say =)
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0She was beheaded by the hero Perseus, who thereafter used her head as a weapon ... With snakes for hair— hated of mortal man— ... The triple form is not primitive, it is merely an instance of a general tendency.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well the amount of British scum on the comments on this post is truly off the maneur scale...So to sum up the feeling of the Argentine people towards the USUK-NATO ill-begotten fiends, sworn enemies of the people of the so-called 3rd world, we say : YOU SUCK (US-UK), take your military bases and troops OUT of South America. All you bring is death and destruction as has been clearly shown in the last two decades of USUK genocide on the people of Iraq,Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Pakistan. The english governor of the Malvinas is a war criminal himself, having assisted in the genocide in Basra, Iraq from the invasion in 2003 for several years. Oh how well you taught the Iraqis, Haywood, killing and beating kids up like in the video that surfaced with Brit Scum laughing in the background. Of course he was just following orders from that US lapdog Tony Blair, who should be tried for crimes against humanity along with Bush. Over a MILLION killed and maimed just in Iraq and you criminals pretend it's no problem to have your bases off our coast? Bastards
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0131 Concolorcorvo (#)
Mar 27th, 2012 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get over it mate. You don't make any sense at all. Time you got a real life. Don't get your balls in a twist. Live and let live. For heavens sake stop threatening your neighbours.
Free advice: Save up, buy a nice house, buy a reliable car, find a nice woman and settle down. Everyone has got neighbours. Don't threaten yours. They aren't threatening you. Time to grow up.
@131Concolorcorvo,
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are our bases off your coast?
That means that your bases are off our coast too!
Are you going to get rid of them for us?
lt seems you are a sensitive soul who feels threatened.
Guess what?, we feel threatened too by your illogical country's continual threats.
Could you try just a little bit to be a good neighbour?
Or is that asking too much?
Chile is a good neighbour.
They don't want OUR land.
Nor should you.
@131Concolorcorvo
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you just cant reason with indocrinoughts
bye .
Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Rigoberta Manchú, Mairead Maguire, Desmon Tutu, Jody Williams and Shirin Ebady. THanks.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@135 Cero,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only ever heard of Desmond Tutu,
Who are these other nonentities that you've listed?
On second thoughts, don't bother. THanks.
@136
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, you keep being ignorant
@137 Cero,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l'd rather be ignorant than believe Argentina's lies.
Argentina's main military blunder was to invade the Falkland Islands “period”, as our American cousins would say.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0138
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0139
agreed
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
Rubbish, white wash.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Took on a nation who knows what war is, knows what it means, and knows how to fight one and lost.Trying to salvage their pride, that all.
perhaps a copy should be sent to all members of the UN and to all members of the argentine goverment, And to all members of all sylum instatutes in the world,
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to prove once and for all, how totaly stupid they are,
oh and a copy to mr penn, to show him what wooden actors look like,
long live the british,
and our deepest sympathy to the wooden actor, lolol
I agree with that, if they hadn't the Falklands/Malvinas would probably have reverted by now, and like Galloway I'm no supporter of that blunder and crime. And neither of course is Cristina who in one of her recent magisterial speeches correctly explained it as the actions of a desperate anti-popular regime trying to shore up support. Just like Thatcher really, except unlike her they didn't succeed
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@144 B_K,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina is a warmonger.
She would invade if she could.
She can't invade because she has a small outdated neutered military.
She keeps it that way to prevent a coup against her.
She is impotent because she dare not expand the military in case it IS used against her, even though she is powerless against us without it.
lt must be very, very frustrating for her.
Sooner or later, she will realise that the military is the only way that she might have a chance of conquering our lslands.
Then anything can happen.
She is evil.
Cristina is about as far from a warmonger as you can get. Even if that was only for the reason of avoiding another coup, that would hardly be a dishonourable reason! Especially since the Falklands would be a lot worse off with a militarist government across the pond, despite the coup hungryness of some of the Brits on here! Finally on the “evil” point, not only do I reject that, but I'd like to just make clear that when I talk about my Queen's great beauty I don't just mean her fabulous looks but also her inner beauty
Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0inner beauty
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0heart-kidney-lungs-blood-veins -bones-brain-
you must be a surgeon then .
146 British_Kirchnerist
Apr 01st, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You gotta be joking.“ Cristina is about as far from a warmonger as you can get. ” Really? She is obsessed & possessed. Lusting after somebody elses country as she does? Why, “her inner beauty”, are you her surgeon or vet or something?
Keeping it simple for argentines to grasp. If argentina threw away its weapons, Falkland Islanders would sleep easy at night.There would be peace. If the Falklands were not guarded, the RG's would be in like a flash. Probably indulging in a little ethnic cleansing, and spreading excrement and landmines everywhere like they did last time.
“Cristina is about as far from a warmonger as you can get.” So why does she raise the expectations of the RG wolves, militants and the crazy rabble?
CFK thinks her people are stupid,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and as long as you have indocrinated people like them above, she will always treat them like that.
@146B_K,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0They say that love is blind.
You are the perfect example.
Believe me, old bean, Cristina is evil.
Why does she claim our land?
You love her so much(not very good taste btw!), now justify her actions.
Do you support Argentina's ridiculous “claims” on our land?
Why?
Being in love with the Black Widow Spider is not a valid reason.
(beware, female spiders eat their mates)
What is YOUR reasons for supporting Argentina's “claims”?
Care to enlighten the rest of us?
Well I came on this thread first in agreement with #139 which said Argentina's blunder was invading period, so I'm not a supporter of aggresion. But the invasion was a blunder as well as a crime because even the British government, even Maggie, until 1982 were moving towards acceptance of or at least negotiation with the Argentine claim. I was going to add not out of romantic love either, though given Thatcher's thing for Pinochet I'm not entirely sure Galtieri didn't rock her boat in a similar way, he was right wing enough after all! More seriously I've already explained several times why I don't think a “nation” smaller than George Galloway's majority over all his opponents combined, and less than a third of his actual majority over the Labour runner up, should be given “self determination” over an half the coastal oil of a real country of 40 million people. Which doesn't mean you should leave, I hate ethnic cleansing, it just means you should take this golden opportunity to negotiate with an Argentine leader who is strong yet compassionate, and totally peaceful in her intentions
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Why ? Why should a small country have less rights than a large country. Surely the Falklands don't control the half the coast of argentina? Surely the Falklands control only their own coast, like any other coastal country. The Falkland Islanders have been living on the Falkland Islands for many generations. For a long time in fact before oil became a prospect. Many countries have discovered oil off their coasts, in their economic zones. And I am happy for them. Doesn't mean some Johnny come lately neighbour can appropriate it. And they shouldn't have to put up with threats either.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it just means you should take this golden opportunity to negotiate with an Argentine leader who is strong yet compassionate, and totally peaceful in her intentions” .
This speaks volumes about the instability of argentina, inferring that ones rights in argentina exist on the whim and fancy of who-ever is in charge and how they feel. And probably once a month you get hell.
To say that the F.I. should negotiate, admits that F.I. enjoy rights. Inherent in those rights is the right to enjoy the status quo, not be pressured about it and to be left alone, in safety. Any person that is 'strong yet compassionate, and totally peaceful in intentions” should understand that.
To Hell with the law of the jungle.
151 British_Kirchnerist “... you should take this golden opportunity to negotiate with an Argentine leader who is strong yet compassionate, and totally peaceful in her intentions”.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like a threat, the implication being that if we don't take this “golden opportunity” something bad will happen. We don't respond well to empty threats, we dislike aggressive acts even more. It seems the malvinists didn't learn that lesson last time. If they opt for the next lesson, they may find it will be a very expensive and unpleasant experience.
It just means you should take this golden opportunity for Argentina to negotiate with the British leader who is strong yet compassionate, and totally peaceful in his intentions,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To negotiate a new union of which Argentina, comes under British control.
That seem fair to me .
You have to twist a lot to make it look like a threat. First of all British so I'm making the case within the councils of my own people, not “threatening” from outside. But I really do think that those who wish Cristina to fall to the right should be careful what they wish for; would you really rather get an Argentine government that the like of Fillipo would want?!
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0flippo has longed fliped,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all the world wants, is for argentina to be a true democracy, and leave the innocent islanders alone,
is that to much to ask in the 21st century .
No, B_K, I'm not convinced.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We owe Argentina absolutely nothing.
And thats what they will get, nothing.
lts not up to you to decide whether our state is viable or not.
lts not up to you or Argentina
The oil is an added bonus & doesn't detract from our rights in these lslands at all.
l'm afraid that you've hitched your wagon to a fading star.
Actually l hope the harridan stays in power because she, at least keeps her military emasculated.
Maybe we could pay her to keep it that way!
Business is business after all.
Just moderate financial sum(out of our billions of $s of oil revenue)paid into her Swiss bank account every year.
The Argentine government needed know about it!
Wouldn't that be just too delicious?
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