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Peru regrets HMS Montrose incident and underlines strong relations with the UK
Cabinet Chief Oscar Valdes said that he is sure Peru and UK will be able to overcome a diplomatic rift caused by Lima’s last minute cancellation of a visit to the port of Callao this week of Britain’s HMS Montrose, a navy frigate that has been patrolling the South Atlantic and the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBrits still crying over this news.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This decision has been taken in the spirit of Latin American solidarity commitments undertaken in the framework of Unasur (Union of South American Nations) with regard to the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding waters,” Mr Roncagliolo said.
We should not be forcing other countries to ban ships to show “solidarity” with us. Its one thing to ask for diplomatic support, another to take specific actions to “prove” something. I blast the USA when it asks other countries to prove “friendship” with them by doing as they say, so why would I not do the same with ARG.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is international tradition all over the world to allow warships into ports. Argentina should not be forcing other countries into not following this, even if I personally do believe Argentina is a special case and should never allow any foreign warships in its waters, much less to dock in our ports (whether Uruguayan, Chilean, Brazilian, Spanish, American, UK, Dutch, whatever). But I don't believe imposing this view on others.
“Mounting pressure from Argentina” = KFC screaming down the phone. Not that it makes a jot of difference, but I wonder if Peru will invite another RN ship to visit, to demonstrate sincerity, if 'sincerity' exists in that part of the world.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've been crying over the Falklands for nearly two centuries and you're still no closer to getting them. I wouldn't be surprised if Roncagliolo takes “early retirement” from Peruvian politics soon... Maybe Turkeyneck could offer him a job - he seems as competent as all the other gimps in her cabinet.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sincerity: would have been nice for the Iraqis.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron believes that we are in the 1500's and he is the reincarnation of Francisco Pizarro. The visit of these warships in South America is nothing more than a show of force.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, but this is a very particular Argentine view. Other countries, most in the world in fact, don't regard warships from other countries as such. Kirchner should not demand to prove solidarity by other countries taking up our expectations. I agree however foreign warships have no place in Argentine ports, ever.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 you are an idiot
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless of what the argtards are saying...This is very unfortunate. It's done two things:
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) Put strains on what was a significant trading relationship leading to mutual benefits and peace between two nations.
b) Been portrayed as a slap in the face to the British by the Peruvians on what was a peaceful visit.
c) Showed that many Latin american countries are in league with the Chavists and under the spell of the Argentinians, who seem to have some weird power over them.
I personally hope that the peruvians will be able to find a cure, before they become yet another inward looking bankrupt nation delivering nothing but poverty like Argentina, North Korea and Venezuela.
Marcos - and CFK believes it is appropriate to stop the ordinary Argentine to spend his/her own money. Now you are limited from even using ATMs outside of Argentina (is that not effectivly a travel ban).
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you tell us you are democracy.
This serves as an example to the rest of South America to control their own foreign policy and relations rather than let the RG's control it for the continent.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The control freakishness of the RG's is pathetic and shows a complete character flaw in its President. RG Land is ferked.
Cabinet Chief Oscar Valdes: “Actions speak louder than words, so our words are going to say we regret being unfriendly to the UK because the ties are strong, and then our actions will be to invite them over, and then summarily slap them in the face in a festival of rudeness.”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reporter: “Hmm..”
Much prefer the Peru of today than the Peru that actively assisted the Argentine Facists in 1982.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the above article is a prime example of how well the UK plays the diplomacy game.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0By releasing ONLY two statements the UK has been able to cause friction in the Peruvian government and press. With the government of the day appearing weak for bending over to Argentinian demands.
It's now become clear to the rest of SA that the thought of supporting the banning of FI/UK shipping is not without political consequence. The possibility of damage to their own economies but more importantly their own political ambition
@13
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be serious: ”I prefer the Peru actively assisting the Argentine Nazis today (slapping UK in the face), than the Peru that actively assisted the Argentine Fascists in 1982.“
Me: ”Hmm...”
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peru seems much more friendly towards the UK today than it did in 1982 when it actually assisted Argentina's military effort against the Task Force.
I get the impression that just as Uruguay and Chile fear the Argentinians to greater or lesser extent, the Peruvians also want to avoid trouble with a noisy and irresponsible neighbour.
Turning a Warship away doesn't really rank with me as a major diplomatic incident. Perhaps there are other issues going on behind the scenes picked up by GCHQ.
@16 I'd agree. But you have to think about the messaging that you're giving to the people's of the UK and Peru when you're doing something with this high visibility. Democratic politics is just an extension of the people's perceived intent and feeling, regardless of whether this is actually true or not.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you do something at this high level that is perceived to be incredibly rude, then the British perception and attitudes towards Peru and Peruvians cannot not be affected.
Diplomatic indecent or not, the management and messaging was not good.
I feel this incident is a shameful and embarrassing affair for the Peru government and now the even more embarrassing apologies for the same government.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Essentially Argentina has proven yet again that it is nothing more than a playground bully of those weaker than itself and it has caused the Peru government and the people of Peru great embarrassment. If Argentina ever wanted to lose the support of a nation this is exactly how you go about it.
All Navies around the world regularly have their warships stop in other countries ports and Marcus (as ever) is entirely incorrect when he asserts 'its nothing more than a show of force'. So everytime a warship stops in a port 'its a show of force'? Meanwhile back in the real world, this is entirely routine.
I actually feel sorry for Peru being so shamelessly bullied by these bullying liars who have no shame.
I think we should rewrite the title to:
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Peru government regrets how bad it made itself look to it's own people through the HMS Montrose incident and underlines weak relations with the UK based on continuously slapping it's peaceful trade partner in the face in a festival of sycophancy over Argentinian land-greed”
Way to go peru! hooray-boo
And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
Not to worry, Peru. We understand that you are not in control of your country. That you are an argie lackey. You may have noticed that there are other countries in South America with a Pacific seaboard. Even if there weren't, we could still sail straight past. Were you thinking that British investments and defence contracts would remain the same? Think about it. You just poked Britain in the eye for the sake of a bunch of psychotics. What a good idea!
Mar 24th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Mar 24th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the real world it may be routine, but not everyone in the world has to think the same. In Argentina, none of us think foreign warships in our territory is a sign of peace, we don't want em and they are not coming in. But we do understand that in most of the rest of the world the view is different.
Toby, Do you believe what you post or are you playing a part? This holier than thou attitude is getting tiring. Are you taking your lessons from Think?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not peaceful, Argentinians are not peaceful, they are strong with the weak and weak with the strong. Many would say that is cowardly. The only reason you seem “peaceful” is because for the last few years your armed forces have been in utter ruin. For the last 100 yrs you were not considered peaceful but ruthless, murdering, thugs. Has the core of your country's being changed that much in 10 yrs? I think not! it's really just your ability to fund the military has changed.
So please give up the act it is making me retch.
It looks that we won't have to wait too long for the next RN ship to come along and pay a vsit to Peru. My guess is that this is just a temporary blip and there will be plans for a nice new type 45 to visit Peru sooner rather than later.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a racist, arrogant, dirty, xenophobic ignorant.
In other words, an American.
25. Cry of someone who is losing an argument! Ugh, how pathetic and boring! Please point out one statement in anything I have ever written that has anything to do with someones race. Go ahead just one.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“point out one statement in anything I have ever written that has anything to do with someones race.”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With pleasure:
“For the last 100 yrs you were not considered peaceful but ruthless, murdering, thugs”
Where are your sources for this? Since you have none, then my conclusion stands. Ethnic rant at best, racist generaliation, likely.
23 yankeeboy “Argentinians are not peaceful”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fred, bloody hell! coming from an American that by the way are involved in a war all the time make me feel like Mother Teresa.
Are you related to Staff Sgt. Robert Bales by any chance?
For all the British surprised by the Peruvian government actions, an Argentinean, San Martin, declared Peruvian independence and created the first Peruvian flag .
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peruvians, Uruguayans, Argentinians - whats the difference?
You all run away when we want you to.
You're gonna be running again shortly, so check out your spikes.
@ 1 Nope, you are crying Marcos, that's why you're here and not commenting on other articles. Did you really believe Peru is a province of Argentina, didn´t you? There's your peruvian support hahaha
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 28 jajaja das lástima Malvinista, llorón ¿vos realmente pensabas que los otros países se van a hundir con Argentina por unas islas? En qué mundo vivís peronista? Bienvenido a la realidad :)
@ 25 tobias, are you black? You're always complaining about racism.
Actually the British Army was the only army to run away from battle in the face of a militia in an operation in the continent of South America. Not the Spanish, not the French, not the Dutch.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do Argentinians think they are a race unto themselves. It is narcissism? Psychotic? I have seen these threads before and it is quite astounding.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 “In Argentina, none of us think foreign warships in our territory is a sign of peace, we don't want em and they are not coming in.”... considering Argentina thinks 'Argentinian Territory' is pretty much everything in the Atlantic and the Antarctic then it would be difficult for foreign warships not to 'come in'.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0retarded argtard statement is retarded.
@25 There is nothing racist or xenophobic about saying Argentinians are categorically-unpeaceful warmongering expansionist little worms. That's just an objective fact.
@28 No one is surprised by the Peruvian response, especially not the Peruvian senate who approved the visit and neither the people of Peru. Because everyone knows that Peru is a vassal state of the Chavo-kernerist empire, so it came as no surprise at all.
What is surprising is how badly they managed the process of saying 'no'.
@30 I also wondered if he was a brother. He writes like one.
@xbarilox
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not complaining about racism. I'm in a forum full of anglos, racism and anglos cannot be separated.
And to prove it, there are Englander's comments right on cue.
LOL!!!
@32, yes we are a race onto our own. The rest of you are hispanic or anglo, not white.
29 Englander “You all run away when we want you to”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
BBC
“On 27 June 1806 a British force of 1,500 men under William Carr Beresford occupied the city, for about six weeks until surrendering in mid-August to colonial militia, led by Santiago de Liniers y Bremond, a French nobleman at the service of Spain.
A second, better-resourced invasion followed in May 1807, under Lieutenant-General John Whitelock, attacking Buenos Aires in July. After a couple of days of intense street fighting, the British surrendered to an army it had considered no more than a rabble.
After losing more than half his force, the British signed a ceasefire on 7 July and left for home, where Whitelock was court-martialled and discharged”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you Marcos :-))))
@34 There is nothing racist about observing that your country is so incapable of pulling itself together that you cyclically meander from one economic collapse to another. Whilst doing this, you ear-mark land that you want to steal off people around you and then you spend your days telling yourselves that the land was always yours.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Calling people racist for observing your utter incompetence as a nation is like calling your leader Maximo, thin. The fact you poor failed nations all speak Spanish is just coincidental
P.S. Maximo your deity is getting richer while you get poorer, why is this? Where did he get his money for the new hotels?
@35 Marcos, you're in Le Camping. So where did KFC and Maximo get the money for their new hotels?? I thought your country was poor, and prevented people reading evil foreign books.
Thanks.
I'm not calling you racist for your comments, I'm calling you racist because the facts are on my side. This is the fifth time I am saying it, no one yet denies it: Anglo nations have an appalling RECENT record of institutionalized racism, plus current racism. So as long as you call us nazis, I'll simply restate this uncomfortable truth. :)
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 029 Englander “You all run away when we want you to”
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Really?
Absolutely, Argentinians are similar to Italians and are yellow through and through. When the going gets tough, you little boys run home to mama.
We know that, the US knows that and your former German Allies know that.
18 Xect Xect Xect
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arg should send a warship to Malvinas in show of cooperation and friendship........
how much the english loves the war, the killing, the warships, the missiles, the nuclear submarines (I do care a lot killers countries like you saying that they are all arround the world, why you have them arround the world, the world is not yours, put them in UK and exploit with them) that they find them friendly....they are not friendly they are built for killing, and in SA for Malvinas there is not threat at all (Arg hasnt got militar power it is very clear and it was said at international organisations it is peace the way).
Funny, I was just watching a clip provided by a Brit that said the entire British Navy and army in the Falklands campaign (with weapons from the USA, intelligence from Chile and logistical support from Brazil, Uruguay, France, etc), was this close to being broken in supplies, ammo, and morale by 18 year old kids on some hill near Stanley, with barely any weapons (and if they had some, half as new as the opponent), who were never trained and were not dressed for the weather, and had been in those islands for two months.... and you still lost 173 men against THAT?? Only being a day or two away from your assault collapsing??
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Needless to say Britain lost more ships in that little skirmish than at any time since WWII. Darn. I wish I was that yellow, I admit.
40 Arg should send a warship to Malvinas in show of cooperation and friendship
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would never get there in one piece.
40 the world is not yours,
A bit of it is including The Falkland Islands. South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands are.
come on englander..you dont like commercial flights offers of Arg, I thought it was because you are so accostumed to militar ways of transports.........it is a way to express friendship, you are so friendly.......when you send this warships to Irak, Afghanistán, Libia, Irán, its because you are looking for cooperation and peace and love and respect for human lives...........so nice guys
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to see the ONU one day condemning your countries for the killing of the Corán book that is a big offense for this people culture, for the killing of innocent civilians, etc the same way they condemned the dictator of Siria, for ex.....a little of justice....
@41 Everyone is surprised the UK managed to win the Falklands War. That's no surprise. The difference is that the UK has learned its lessons. Argentina however, has not.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 It would turn up like the Marie Celeste, but more rusty.
@43 No one likes the commercial flights of Plummet Airlines, not even South Americans, that's why they're struggling to make any money under the ever so skilled command of Maximo and Tracksuit-boy.
for the burn of the Corán
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and Cameron, Merkel, etc are the two faces of the same coin with Kadhafi, and dictators. las dos caras de la misma moneda.
militars, invasions, non fly zones, etc are not friendly..........that is sth that is naturalized (naturalizado como correcto, pero no lo es) in your culture,but is part of a violent culture not a friendly one.
To be fair the Brits did sail to the other hemisphere so it was a solid effort and I don't disrespect it.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But now lets get back to your racism.
41 tobias (#)
Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a Brit that said the entire British Navy and army in the Falklands campaign
Well he was wrong - about 35% of the Navy and 20% of the army actually.
with weapons from the USA,
Just the Sidewinder air to air missile on 30 subsonic Harriers against over a 120 supersonic Argentinian warplanes
intelligence from Chile
Much more intelligent than your average Argentinian scumbag
and logistical support from Brazil,
What exactly?
Uruguay
As above
France
No they were on your side helping you to fire your exocets and arm your bombs.
etc
Bit vague. Could it be you don't really know what you're talking about.
Was this close to being broken in supplies, ammo, and morale by 18 year old kids on some hill near Stanley with barely any weapons (and if they had some, half as new as the opponent), who were never trained and were not dressed for the weather, and had been in those islands for two months....
Possibly, long lines of supply you see, and only 2500 against 12,000, when the accepted norm for a successful invasion is for the attackers to have a 3 to 1 advantage. Morale was always high though.
and you still lost 173 men against THAT?? Only being a day or two away from your assault collapsing??
And still you tossers couldn't win against a totally outnumbered force but who knew that the Falkland islands belonged to Britain. BTW UK only lost a brave 83 soldiers in the various land battles and that includes many who died thinking Argentinians waving white flags meant they had surrendered.
Needless to say Britain lost more ships in that little skirmish than at any time since WWII. Darn. I wish I was that yellow, I admit.
You are yellow, very yellow. You're Argentinian aren't you?.
The world knows about the recent British defeat in Iraq against a group of rebels and the world knows how “brave” those British soldiers are against children.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLaAUx4r7ow
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No defeat tosspot. I appreciate your fondness for dictators but Saddam Hussein was defeated in double quick time and his army decimated.
Brave British soldiers did indeed play a part but this was mainly an American show as you well know.
Do you think there is a pattern developing here.
BBC
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain suffered defeat in Iraq, says US general”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11419878
Im not here to take away the bravery of any soldier, I have certain lines I won't cross and this is one of them, specially since I have never been in the military much less battle.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kudos, to the the British army (even if I don't agree with some of their recent missions in the middle east)
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Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you would rather believe a US general than me. You really are stupid.
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Might have misjudged you. Sorry about that.
No you didn't, I just have a shred of decency for those who stand in front of lead.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still think Anglos are racist, Euroepans dirty, and Latin Americans less than us.
less than us ....“us”, who is us????
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“us” is nazis. Argentines are nazis, so they must be inferior. And Anglos racist with acne. Europeans just don't bathe, since they have no real clean running water. Ever seen the water in Europe? it comes out tan.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at Germany and the killings of turks, England and the riots, France, Belgium, Norway and the shootings, Italy and the racist attacks.
In the US, they just shoot themselves in schools or offices or shopping centers, 7 or 8 at a time drop dead usually. When the citizens take time off from that, the cops take over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKaJoEyYXyI
Chile kills peruvians, the rest of Latin American kills each other with 70 per 100k murder rates. What disgusting societies, those hispanics, anglos and eurotoasts.
anglos are racists, europeans dirty and argentines nazis????
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well I dont like those generalizations, neither agree with that.
where are you from??
What you agree with or not is irrelevant.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ok
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you argentine??
Another one who is taking it straight up the colon.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be Peronist. We nazis will take out out soon!
@55 Don't worry Tobias, you and Marcos are both in Maximo's Hitler Youth or 'Le Camping' as it is called outside of Argentina. so don't fear you will be forced to work in his brand new hotels very soon.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better than being forced to work on one of his very very very old Plummet Airlines planes.
Speaking of Colon cleasing, look who's back for some more.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we nazisssssssss........argentinian, with that nick silly questions Im asking.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good luck with the peronists.
Im not.
Well, don't worry, this is not 55. We will find them Juventud Peronista mags this time! You can't hide them inside the wall this time. So I hope you are telling the truth.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont hate peronists either. Im not, only that. Agree with some things, others not.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And nazi, Arg nazi??? far away from that.
good day for you
I said I do hate peronist, and yes. Arg nazi
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0problem?
you have a problem, not me
Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good luck
Beats me why Peru would throw it's hand in with criminal warmongers.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actions speak louder than words.
@38 I don't understand your complaints. You give no real indication of your “race” so how can a remark aimed at you be racist? On the balance of probabilities, you are spanish. A race Britain has beaten many times. Over the course of time one has to expect the occasional reverse. Always handy to note the number of reverses compared to the number of encounters. It isn't so much a case of who wins the odd battle as who wins the war. Now, as to use of the word “nazi”, you know how sh*te goes down the toilet? Remember where so many nazis headed to after WW2? Besides, you have to admit, if it acts like a nazi, thinks like a nazi and talks like a nazi, chances are it's a nazi. By the way, “nazi” isn't a race. It's an aberration!
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Let's see you fight a war 8,000 miles from your supply source. You had enough trouble fighting one that you started 400 miles from your supply base. Unprepared, eh? Whose fault was that? Oh yes, the clowns that thought they only had to face 80 Royal Marines and a load of civilians. And you still had to send 66,000 troops!
@43 Commercial flight offers? What commercial flight offers? I thought the offer was argie rust buckets.
@45 Grown-ups can have guns but decide not to fire them. Unlike muslims and argies.
@48 Scary, eh? Best surrender now. It's what you do best!
@55 There are no such things as “Argentines”. They are a figment. All there is is a bunch of struggling spanish colonists.
@61 Colon cleansing is good for you. Pity you didn't get the “troops” you sent to the Falklands to do it before they left their hovels. But we helped, didn't we? Got rid of that big grey toilet for a start. A real “tour de force”. Flushing sh*te AND a toilet down an even bigger toilet.
We have sent our opinions to mr Cameron,
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is wrong for Peru to piss down the backs of the royal navy, then pretend it was the rain,
To late pal, as we have said before, ALL decisions have consequences,
And the more latam, lets its self be dominated by CFK then other consequences but be made,
You must unite together, and drop her, before she drags you down with her .
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you produce sell make great business give more fuel to others countries conflicts so they need to use them and fire guns more than you want to believe......it happens in front of your face, but this violence is natural for you and your culture....you dont find it wrong, but it is
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is a culture of peace that must be taught at schools, and for that culture you dont need arms
brits should not talk about Perú being wrong when they supported the chileans in the 1879 war against Perú. Why would Perú owe anything to the brits?. They shouldn't make this incident as the ultimate treason. I agree that Roncagiolo did not use the right approach, but come on, let's turn the page and move forward. There is more important stuff to worry about.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@68 Conqueror,
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slightly off-subject,
Was reading about Pharaoh Tutanhkamun ancestry.
He shares his DNA with 70% of British men, 70% of Spanish men & 50% of Frenchmen.
So we are ALL RELATED.
Being as Argentines are partly descended from the Spanish,
We are RELATED to the Argentines too.
Thought that would make your day! :-)))))
Mmmm
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see some of my Russian and America relatives are having a spot of trouble on the space station.
So I will have to go and help them .lol.
Back tomorrow people,
Keep you hands dry and at your side,
We don’t want any wetbacks .lol.
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.justa joka .
72 lsolde
Mar 24th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most Argies are Italian, a lot of them trace their heritage back to parts of Europe dominated by the Nazi's and have family who fled to escape War Crimes trials.
@ 70 If it wasn't for the English you still would be eating your relatives, stupid woman, you're skanky and you know it, you're always complaining about your stupid aboriginal monkey family and how they were exterminated sniff sniff sniff
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0What advances have your aboriginal relatives brought to this world? None! You're really disgusting, talking about peace, you! hahaha What do you know about peace? Nothing. If your stupid aboriginal relatives were still alive, you would be living like a prostitute and even your brothers would have sex with you. You can do nothing but cry over the past, indefienitely and that's booooooring. That's all you can do. You're writing your comments because an English man made it possible. Ungrateful b*tch.
“there is a culture of peace that must be taught at schools, and for that culture you dont need arms”
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet your country still has an army of 40,000 people armed with weapons.
What culture exactly are you talking about? Because it isn't yours.
@50 The whole episode in Iraq was badly thought through. Our army could'nt do that deployment at the same time as Afghanistan. The troops were capable of doing the job, but the political will was'nt there. The was was very unpopular over here.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have a look what happened in Helmand - the US deployed more troops our area of ops because we were covering a huge area. Since then our forces have been able to concentrate far more effectively against the Taliban.
We are still there fighting and will be for a while yet.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that any direct military threat to us by your lot would'nt face defeat by highly motivated troops, because it would. Defending your own makes people resist more fiercely.
This is a very simple problem. Peru is not only inviting the UK but everybody in the world. It has TLC treaties with Europe, Japan, Korea , the US, Chile, Mexico, Singapore, China, Colombia. It is presently negotiating similar open business treaties with Russia, India, South Africa and Israel. Argentina's international monetary reserves are around 40 Billion Dollars. Peru's international monetary reserves are around 60 billion Dollars. Peru is number 1 producer in the world of Silver, 4th of gold, 2nd of Copper and top 10 in the world in most of the other metals. Exports gas. It has a 6% average growth for 20 years on a roe. Peruvian economy is 100% open to the world and it is inviting Peruvians overseas to come back. It is very very easy to open any type of business in Peru, as well as to take your investment and profits back. Banks are open 24 hours, 365 days (through the Internet), transactions are mopstly made in Euros, Dollars and Wangs. Peru exports 200 million Dollars to Argentina and imports 1,200 million dollars from Argentina. Australian, American and Canadian companies have been trying to take that business from Argentina with no luck. In the past, Peruvians have recently been complaining that Argentina in a protectionist way has been blocking Peruvian products. Peruvians felt betrayed by Argentina in a conflict with Ecuador 20 years ago. They believe that to this day, Argentina has not properly apologized. The United Kingdom's second letter wasn't necessary. I would say, it was a bad idea. It has strengthen the Argentinean position. 60% of Peruvians don't like Roncayolo, their Peruvian Minister of foreign affairs. They were ready to get him out. Now it is going to be more difficult. He is being presented by his supporters as a heroic victim of an abusive colonialist UK. Peru is very well known in the world as a key strategic asset in Latin America. The UK could do better to improve their relations there.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@78 “Peru is very well known in the world as a key strategic asset in Latin America. The UK could do better to improve their relations there.”
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0This in itself is very difficult to achieve when they're apparently a vassal state of Argentina, belching forth gambits as an extension of their master's foreign policy.
The UK is the 2nd largest investor in Peru and is also quite clearly the victim of the situation.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has every right to let the world know the situation when the Peruvian politician was being very dishonest.
As for the 1,200 imports from Argentina, the UK could change that given it has controlling stakes within a lot of Peruvian companies, however has abstained from using its power to punish Argentina. It's letting Argentina embarrass itself since its doing such a fine job of it.
It was highly disappointing however the sudden U-Turn on the warship and then the dishonesty of the Peruvian politician given the UK has a very positive attitude towards Peru and the Peruvian people. Peru is still seen as a great place to visit by the British people and Machu Picchu is in a lot of British people's most wanted destination.
Its all very disappointing given the British think Peru is better than that.
Bobolo
Mar 25th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aborigins are alive and also exists in the mix I and millions of others argentinians have and happened during the colonization.
the aboriginal culture was different, but not worst. Learn a little.
Offer those “advances” to the millions of millions of innocent people that have been killed by those “advanced” countries, thats the most disgraceful contradiction and double standard of these kind of nations.
you can always go and join british advanced culture and army, and fight for peace in Afghanistán, Libia, Irak, etc. They need people entirely compromised with their cause of killing for peaces, like you seem to be.
78 peruvians have common routes with argentinians. Uk loves dividing and thats what they are trying to do. We know well.
@81 They're not alive. You genocided them all, just like you did with 50% of the black folk.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not a moral to share between any of you Argies.
@78 “Peru is very well known in the world as a key strategic asset in Latin America. The UK could do better to improve their relations there.”
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see my friend, you also are addicted to drama. I believed the Argentineans were the only ones that love Tango, just cool it down. The issue has to do with very important details in the ENASUR treaty that were brought to our attention by other partners (not only Argentina) kind of too late. This silly situation was the cherry on top of the ice cream. Our FM was getting ready to go, but you pressure the wrong bottom. We are confident that this issues will be soon solved. We want to have good relations with everybody, specially with our neighbors. After saying that, I should add that Argentina can do a lot better to deserve our friendship, bla bla bla is not enough. The UK could be more effective too by not being so “extroversive”. It seems to me that the whole thing is being Exacerbated due to the need of both countries to distract they own people and make them forget their economic and political problems. We are very aware of this, please don't invite us to that party.
@81 “Common routes”? “Common routes”? I think you mean “common roots”.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's check on that:
Argentina
Ethnic groups (2011)
White (61%), Mestizo (26%), Amerindian (1%), Mulatto (1%), Black (1%) (self-reported)
Peru
Ethnic groups
45% Amerindian, 37% Mestizo, 15% White, 3% Black, Japanese, Chinese, and other.
Seems to be something of a disparity there. Do you think that perhaps the “early” Peruvians didn't go around killing so many of the indigenous people as the “early” argies?
Sometimes in life, you may well have to forgo your neighbours.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially when they are wrong,
You cannot, ever take sides in a conflict, then say ah but, oh but,
Either you stay out of it, or you enter it, it’s as simple as that, and when you make a decision, then that decision, rightly or wrongly will have consequences,
Never blame the visitors for ones own decisions, or you may end up looking like your neighbour
The only insulted party, was the Royal Navy
There was no injured party
Was only one guilty party?
And one very happy and contented neighbour
End of ….
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common routes, I meant jajajajj
Mar 25th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and according to your argentinian ethnical clasification in what part I would be clasified????? I am a mix of galician criollo & native. I am argentinian.
the killers of our natives, were the spaniards. Learn how many natives were, and how many died.
And in Patagonia it seems to me some british argentinians killed many indigenous. watch wikipedia genocidio selknam. good luck.
@ 86 malem, you're always crying over the past and what happened centuries ago. You ask what you are and then you say you are gallician criollo and native. You're giving the answer, idiota! No podés ser tan boluda malem, siempre con la misma pavada de tus indiecitos. Si no fuera por eso países avanzados, vos hoy estarías chupando penes en alguna choza, ignorante, ingrata, gente como vos es la que no permite que Argentina crezca, siempre con tus indios de mierda, ¿a quién carajo le importan tus putos indios? cabeza hueca. Puta racista y xenófoba de mierda. Reportá el comentario india de mierda.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean civilization is owed and not spread?? So under that reasoning:
If Malen owes the fact she is not living in some “hut” with feathers on her forehead sucking some indian's Dick Van Dyke to racist White Scum like you coming and destroying America... Does that mean that you and your British kin owe not living in some mud/peat hole on the ground, with only a shower a month by a filthy river while getting your penis cut with a stone flint for some pagan purpose to the advanced and superior Romans?
Seems like the same line of reasoning to me. Good day fool.
@ 88 what?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I suspected, Cameron's approach (the second letter) backfired. Ollanta against the wall had to side with ENASUR. The British approach was so clumsy; it makes me think this was just a distracting maneuver, Cero interest in resolving the problem. Just plebeian politics and alley fights. Many South Americans believe Argentinians are a little bit crazy, Drama Queens. Many Europeans, also believe the British are a little bit crazy drama queens. I think you both deserve each other. Please don’t get us involved in this Traviata.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0bobolo Im not going to report your insults, why??? you need to insult, do it ...its your way of argument and shows your level of intelligence.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont care of anything of what you write......
@88 who ?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, queeee?! It sums up your logic succintly.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In other words, think before you indite utter foolishness you fool! If European did a favor to America, then the Romans did a favor to Europe didn't they (forget the inconvenience Romanization destroyed many local cultures like Celts, Gauls, Iberians, Druid, and Lower Germanic tribes! )
@ 93 Those peoples and traditions are still alive. You need to make a trip around the world, especially to Germany. You have no idea what you're talking about, it's plain to see you have never been in Europe, and your knowledge of the world is zero.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Tacitus:
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished.”
And that's in Germany, imagine life in Britain which was still further behind during the Iron Age? Think you fool, think!!
@ 95 Tacitus? How about getting a new book of history, something published between 2011 and 2012?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is that culture Tacitus is describing in Germany/France/Spain/Britain today? Where? If the Romans didn't destroy it, or if the savages didn't become romanized, then it should still be there.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You fool! You were berating and racially abusing Malen telling her that thanks to the Europeans she is not sucking cock in a hut! Or do you deny this insult which you wrote in Spanish you fool!
I'm just taking your own logic of history a bit further back. If not for the Romans, the Spanish, French, Brits, Germans and the rest would still be collecting twigs and and sharpening bones! You fool same logic! Do you owe everything to the Romans invading your little island and bringing it to the known world's sphere of civilization?
If Malen does owe you, then you owe them. Or maybe your logic is BS.
Europe, Arabia, India and China developed technologically because they had thousands of years of exchange of ideas, products, and technology. The Americas were completely isolated you fool! That makes a difference. Still, civilizations did develop and no doubt had history run its course they would have evolved further than the Incas and Aztecs!
Drop your racism you fool!
@ 97 you need a good f*ck, desperately.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Truth Telling... You said it better than I would. The truth is that there were many Europeans that defended the inhabitants of the new world. Bartolome de las Casas and a “Pease” European movement (mostly Spanish) sued the Spanish Crown for abuse, 5 Years in court. The enterprise of conquest as it was called was halted for that period of time and new laws defining the status of the conquered was defined. These new laws were copied by other European countries later. Of course it wasn't perfect but the point I am trying to convey is the type of arguments used in defense of the Incas by B de las Casas. He brought to Spain Incan doctors, engineers and metallurgist to prove the degree of civilization of this culture. For the Incas isolation brought different values, new for Europeans. Self-Sustainability was essential. The beauty of Macchu Picchu is self sustainability. You could live there thousands of years without having to leave somewhere else to gather food. A new ancient culture has been recently discovered in Peru. Caral, 5000 years old cities with pyramids and water systems built before the Egyptians. They found the same talking knots (like abacus) used by the Incas 4 thousand years after.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Fool!
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and yet Another Victory of reason, logic, and intellect, brought to you by the TTT™ (all rights reserved).
Till la proxima fools!
Hasta la vista dear Zeus!
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99Carlos 2,
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are your views on the ruins at Lake Titicaca in Bolivia?
Looks like a huge jigsaw puzzle to be fitted together.
Who built it?
Why?
What was it used for?
How was it destroyed?
Regards.
Very strange indeed. They were called the Tiahuanaco culture, very interesting culture, probably they came from Caral, the oldest civilization there. CARAL is for me an enigma. Their pyramids were built 400 years before the Egyptian pyramids, 1000 years before Abraham and the Babylonians. Who is this people? The Incas used the same accounting system; Quipus. Ancient Peruvians devotion for sustainability and food production is very interesting too. It is kind of ironic their fascination for high end cuisine. Peruvians treat their chefs like rock stars, (even the poorest believe they could be some day famous great chefs), check this out: http://www.theworld.org/2011/09/climate-change-spurs-revival-of-ancient-incan-agriculture/
Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHA! Yet more evidence that Argentina has no real friends in the world :)
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do any fo you South American countries have the slightest idea what your up to? Havw you ever heard of the expression, “Does the right hand know what the left hands doing?” Shit, this guy is suppose to be running a country!
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of ciurse it's a slight on us brits and those who govern us, excuse the capitals, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WE WERE (BY THAT I MEAN OU GOVERNMENT) to react to it. Lets face it, it's hardly an act of friendship or good relations for that matter.
As for you Argentine bloggers, we were friends for years, before the 1982 conflict, which yo keep insisting was the juntas fault. So why do you keep on insisting on fuckingf it up? It's not us point scoring at your expense!
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
Who the hell is tacitus, fuck me, we live today, not three thousand years ago. My greatgrandfather was in workhouse. shit, i should be claiming the fucking dole , instead of working for a living. What is this fucking obsession with qouting the past. The past has fuck all to do with today. I am no more responsible for the actions of my grandfather than I will be of my grandsons. I am responsible for what I do today! Why is everyone so obsessed on both sides with saying who did what hundreds of years ago and using that as evidence of a claim.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Link bellow narrates the true historical representation about the Peruvian participation in the Malvinas war. Including very important details showing UK and Argentina's stupidity. Few years later Argentina will be selling weapons to our enemy, Ecuador, in the middle of the conflict ( ironically, Ecuador is now our best friend). This is the reason why many Peruvians want Roncagliolo (Peruvian Foreign Minister) out.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://elcomercio.pe/mundo/1395667/noticia-peru-conflicto-ajeno-nuestra-actuacion-guerra-malvinas
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