MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
UK media and opposition claim spending on Falklands’ defense is to fall
The amount spent to protect the Falkland Islands is to fall according to reports in the British media however the Ministry of Defense attributes the changes to ‘accounting policy’ and insists it has the capacity to repel any Argentine aggression of the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThere is nothing here for the islanders to be worried about, the amount of active Soldiers, airmen and ground crews along with navy ships and ships personnel are unchanged same with equipment used for defense and everyday maintence and running of the base. All that has changed is imporved efficiency methods. Which basically means the day to day office and base runnings have been made more efficient and less costly, as such the cost of maintaining the day to day runnings have decreased. That is all the the drop in cost of defending the islands thats being reported here actually is. There is no change to britians commitment to defend the islands.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I,m an accountant.Trust me ! The government is only fiddling the figures for PR purposes. The reality stays the same.Saving £3 million out of £43.5 billion is neither here nor there.The real problem is in defence procurement ;an area I know quite well,having worked there for over 14 years.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The MOD is quite capable of buying a 45p tin of baked beans (or even cheaper at Lidl) for £10 and thinking they have a bargain.If the Israelis were running the British defence budget they could quite easily cut it in half and end up with more effective forces. The aircraft carrier debacle is only too typical of the British MOD.
@2 I agree. Defence procurement is complete shambles and a black-hole into which people just pour money. The replacement for the clansman radio took years and years to procure, costing more money than I could care to imagine. For a long period of time Soldiers were resorting to using personal mobile phones to communicate. Then along came the Bowman... “Better Off With a Map and A Nokia”.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just depressing to think about how much money is wasted on buying stuff for the military when your typical civvy is using equipment that is hundreds of times more secure and 10 times more reliable.
@2 I did a watch in OR in MB and at ABW as a PM. I recall that my successes were to have delivered approvals and stayed within budget targets, not to deliver equipment.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL and the Argies say the islands are being militarised.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0No reducing a garrison consistently to what it is 1,000 and dropping is not increasing it.
Argentina has the same government as Zimbabwe, corrupt and fanatical, using a “common enemy” to whip up an hysterical distraction from their failing policies and hyper inflation.
@4 Procurement is just the start of the furkshow. We're not even taking into account the size of the organisational change required on a military the size of the UK's. Soldier's inherently require reliable and dependable kit that they can trust with their lives.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This takes year(s) to engender change to the new tech. According to moore, the power of tech doubles every 18 months, so one could argue it's complexity. If a piece of kit is delivered 10 years late.. after a 10 year procurement cycle.. then it takes 2 years to be rolled out to the services. Then one can only question what the furk is going on there then and how much is it costing.
This is an arguement for having a small and technically flexible force that has access to up to date tech, rather than some overbloated group of badly kitted out soldiers.
It all comes down to terrible procurement and change.
This is a non story.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It doesnt diminish the UK's military capability on the islands.
The problems of procurement have been known for years. Hopefully something is now being done about it.
** 2 strategy
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think depreciation rates are too high in England ...!
I think this story is unremarkable as far as having implications for the issue of the islands' defence capabilities. No reduction in manpower or equipment is expected. The current strength combined with local resources should be able to comfortably detect and repel any sort of attempted offensive from Argentina.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having said that, procurement issues have been a worry for the UK MoD for many years and they need to be addressed. All of us with a military or governmental job or background can tell countless stories of inefficient procurement. My experience with the issue is that the government doesn't usually seem to be able to move fast enough with decision making, they always seem to go for the cheapest tender and they are often too short-sighted when awarding contracts for services such as transportation which means the better companies always miss out and the effects on the contract are noticeable.
There is nothing here for the islanders to be worried about.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine democratically elected governments have made it clear that there would be no use of overt violence (like the military used) in reclaiming the Malvinas.
@10 You can't 'reclaim' something you never owned.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do hope we get Teranis up and running before Argentina uses violence again, “overt” or covert. Just to make it more interesting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1294037/Taranis-The-143million-unmanned-stealth-jet-hit-targets-continent.html
@11
Mar 25th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0a thousand times ....
there will be no use of violence, overt or covert
@12 Whatever, expect a disproportionate response.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I propose the following intellectual experiment.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine what would have happened if Argentina had been a great power since the early nineteenth century, had militarily occupied a British dependency, near its shores, such as the Isle of Man, expelled the handful of Englishmen who inhabited the Isle of Man and, in their stead, installed there a small community of Argentines protected by the permanent presence of an armed detachment.
The ensuing claims of the British crown were systematically unheeded and a desperate attempt to retake the island by force by England (taken when Cromwell's ghost and the anti-monarchist sentiments preannounced a political crisis of enormous proportions) allowed its temporary reinstatement to British rule, only so that, soon after, its troops suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of the colonial power of South America.
After that London continued its unsuccessful claims as an arrogant Buenos Aires ratified its absolute rejection of any talks on the subject, on the pretext that nothing could be done against the will of the islanders, descendants themselves of those who forcibly occupied the Isle of Man two centuries ago.
Surely, in this case, those cosmopolitans, who advise Argentines nowadays to simpl forget the Malvinas would have proceeded differently and shouted at serious violations of international law, contempt for diplomatic negotiation and the contempt of the United Nations resolutions
I also believe there will be no attempt at military action by Argentina but I think that is largely because of the deterrent that the UK is keeping in place at MPC. That, of course, is the best form of military strategy. Have such a show of strength in place that Argentina will not contemplate aggression.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I propose the following intellectual experiment:
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Study the facts:
The Falkland Islands were never an Argentine dependancy. They are 300 miles from Argentina, in the middle of the South Atlantic. The Falkland Islands were discovered and claimed by French, British and Dutch sailors hundreds of years before Argentina existed. The first British landing and claim on the UNINHABITED Falkland islands was in 1690.
A gang of thieves and pirates who landed on the Falklands in 1829, and who were subsequently evicted in 1831 for their criminal activities by the USS Lexington. This little sojourn is Argentina's only claim to “occupation”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-establishment_of_British_rule_on_the_Falkland_Islands
The Falkland Islanders have been living on those islands for generations. They are their homes. Quite simple really.
Your fantasy analogy of a powerful Argentina occupying a British island swimming distance from the coast of England is laughable.
Did they indoctrinate you when you were at school? Like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-establishment_of_British_rule_on_the_Falkland_Islands
Child abuse.
Repel Argentine aggression?
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians are truly aggressive. But it's all bluff and bluster.
They are the biggest dopes and cowards the world has ever known.
But above all, they do not have any real Army.
And even if they did, they lack the Will. Because arrogance and egotism is Will - deformed.
And we are talking about a severely emotionally-deformed, undeveloped, undisciplined population. They are literally cartoon versions of emotional primitiveness.
And, as any knows, or should know by now, since the information is available everywhere, excessive arrogance actually blocks thinking and feeling.
It's one thing to be arrogant, if you are smart and talented and productive.
It's one thing to be ignorant but humble. Because in that case your humility enables you to admit your ignorance and correct it through knowledge.
But to be Arrogant AND Ignorant is to be from Argentina!
It is virtually the World Headquarters of Arrogance AND Ignorance.
And Arrogance and Ignorance = Incompetence!
A small police force in some small town somewhere with lots of overweight cops could kick the Argentine military's ass. And I would love to see it.
So, we shouldn't question the common sense of someone trying to convince us that Argentina can defend itself, let alone be an aggressor, we should question that person's sanity.
@16 It's even more simple. Open any book on political science and you can see that regardless of what the argentinians say, they are ideologically outward looking and expansionist. The history is somewhat blurred, which makes the current precident of the islanders choosing their fate stronger. The best option for maintaining this and preventing a colonising power from taking the islands is to do what @15 suggests, and maintain a significant deterrent, and what @13 suggest and react to any compromise of this deterrent with significant military force.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentinians throughout history have shown themselves to be liars, there is no point listening further to their relentless prevarications.
UK well knows no having any chance among Super Powers in this and other regions of the world by this diving down,demode nation..nothing.!
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Helber- please confirm your peacefull only intentions?
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The following are factual incidents that have happened during the Kirschener Govts:
Arg Naval Vessel sails through int waters north of the Islands and trains searchlight on 3rd country flagged fishing vessels demanding they identify themselves - a military type threatening violation of Int maritime Convention.
Arg naval vessels harass and intimidate 3rd country flagged vessels transiting throughj Int waters close to Argentina enroute to another country - again a military style agggressive threat and in violation of maritime Conventions.
Arg Airforce aircraft periodically take off from Arg bases and fly direct towrds the Islands - only turning away when they realise aircraft from Mount Pleasant have been scrambled to intercept.
Lets accept the truth- you know it same as I do- if it were no British Forces here, your Navy and Airforce would take us over in the time it took you to fuel the planes and ships and send them here.
As for cost reductiuons - the dumb newspapers(yes UK ones are as dumb as Arg ones at times) have forgotten simple money figures like the sum spent in last 2 years over runway resurfacing here - spent now and job done - big surprise - less money needed!!
14 Helber Galarga
Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are.... 400 miles away from Argentine
France is 21 miles away from UK
Southern Ireland is 0 miles away from the UK
On the basis of proximity we could claim both. On the basis of historical links - we ruled large parts of France at one time and all of Ireland up until fairly recently - using Argentina's example we could claim both.
The Falkland Islands however, have never been under Argentine soverignty. In the year of your stated claim, 1823 - which was officially declared void by your own government in 1850 and no reserected again until your countries first Fascist coup in 1943 - your country did not even exist as such. It existed as the United Provinces. It took another 52 years to bring in the southern part called Terra del Fuego - you know the Province that claims to administer an imaginary Malvinas Islands.
Again your analogy fails. Lets take the Faroe Islands, aprox 200 miles north of the Shetland Islands. Here we have a possible analogy.
The Faroe Islands are a Danish overseas dependency. But during WW2 they were occupied by British forces, the islands were populated by people from the British Isles and geographically they are part of the British Isles chain of islands.
On that basis Britain could claim them, we'd have access to North Pole resources.
BUT - the people of the Faroe Islands are happy as they are. They don't want British rule and we don't go around enforcing British rule on people or claiming territory that we have no right to.
Finally on the subject of the Isle of Mann - they are 20 miles off the coast of Britain, their population are Manx (NOT English), they have their own government, they also have the oldest parliamentary democracy in the world. We let them get on with their life, they are Manx and British.
The Falkland islanders are also not English, they have their own government and democracy. Britain has a history of allowing this type of self government, while Argentine does not!
@14 Helber,
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By 'having no military intentions' do you mean glorifying international terrorists 'the condors' who recently were in the newspapers referred to as 'the protagonists'. The same terrorist group the Condors are currently pensions off in Argentina on supplemented government pensions, for doing as little as being born in a country 400miles away from your own.
If that's not supporting violence and terror, then I don't know what is.
vi·o·lence /ˈvaɪələns/
noun
1. swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2. rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
3. an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
4. a violent act or proceeding.
5. rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language: the violence of his hatred.
Well so far Argentina, as per Islander 1's example, Argentinais being violent by definitions 3. and potentially 5.
So basically Argentina is behaving violently overtly and covertly making you a liar or a misled fool.
So Helber, where did the $2.1 Billion given to Maximo's Le Camping for Plummet Airlines go? Did he spend it on Hotels?
Nothing to be worried about Helber? Well considering the track record for Argentina keeping to agreements, I think the Falkland Islanders are entirely correct to err on the side of caution. Whatever Argentina says, it's not to be believed...
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I Luuuuv this part of the article.....:
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The MoD said the fall was due to accounting changes to its Falklands budget, omitting such costs as pay, military equipment and repairs.”
What about.....:
“El Tink” saying the fall is due to accounting changes to its Patagonian budget, omitting such costs as dogfood, horsefood, thinkfood, outings, clothes, firewood and “fixed expenses” as Speyside malts.....
Geeeeeee........ Life is cheap this way.
Long live creative accounting.
Chuckle chuckle®
Three things to remember in life:
Mar 25th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) never eat yellow snow.
b) never ever eat brown snow.
c) never trust an argentinian.
Follow these and you should do fine.
@14
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have never owned the Falkland Islands. The Argentine claim's are worse than dubious and in a similar vein to those of Sadam's claims to Kuwait's oil fields. I'm sure that if Sadam would have went to the UN and lodged a complaint about Kuwait, the UN would have had a meeting and produced a resolution asking 'both parties to discuss the issue'. Which as we know is a meaninless result.
Falkland Islands have agreed with Britain on a new constitution to take affect by [January 1 , 2009]..replacing a charter adopted in 1985.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new document approved by Queen..formalizes the system of self-government on the South Atlantic Archipelago while giving Britain final say on foreign policy,policing and the administration of justice according to the joint statement.
The statement also said that the new constitution clarifies the relationship between the Executive Council and the Islands' Governor who is appointed by the London Government.
It makes clear council member are responsible for the most domestic policies,but the Governor retains “” veto “” power that can be exercised “” in the interest of good governance (!!)...“” Britain still retains responsibility for external affairs...defense...internal security..and the administration of justice.
** 23 J.A
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you store this new (# 27) agreement. ?
Be honest please !
Long live creative accounting
Mar 25th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchner never fully accounted for an estimated US$ 1 billion that went missing from the public purse of Santa Cruz province
“Some have tried to explain Correa’s attack on the media by citing his personal pique. However, as with the caudillos in Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina, attacks on the media are not tantrums, they are tactics. As they move to put the country’s institutions in a political chokehold, they have to muzzle the independent media. Venezuela’s government has levied exorbitant fines and canceled broadcast licenses. Bolivia’s regime has purchased oficialista newspapers. Argentina’s party has attacked media conglomerates and taken control of newsprint.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some have tried to explain Correa’s attack on the media by citing his personal pique. However, as with the caudillos in Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina, attacks on the media are not tantrums, they are tactics. As they move to put the country’s institutions in a political chokehold, they have to muzzle the independent media. Venezuela’s government has levied exorbitant fines and canceled broadcast licenses. Bolivia’s regime has purchased oficialista newspapers. Argentina’s party has attacked media conglomerates and taken control of newsprint”.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/22/ecuadorean-presidents-empathy-for-dictator/
Sums the whole continent up. Corrupt, inept, dictatorships.
same arguments! nothing new! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/24/ezequiel-vazquez-ger-argentina-joins-alba-in-war-against-free-press/
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No free press in Argentina. The whole of SA is now a continent for a few people in power.
fuck the people!
“The MoD said the fall was due to accounting changes to its Falklands budget, omitting such costs as pay, military equipment and repairs.”
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like to see where is your tax payer money is going to?
This is what the British army really does in Malvinas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
33 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don;t take life as seriously as fascists do. Cry at your national anthem lately? Maybe your eyes watered at the thought of how difficult it was for your brave military to rape, torture and murder 100,000 children and Argentine youth?
We don't pine endlessly over LOST wars and islands we've never owned, where the people want nothing to do with you.
That my friend is fascism.
Good on the lads for a having a good time on the Falklands posting.
33 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like fun to me. I am guessing you have never served in the military. I have no problem with that film and I would expect to see that sort of prank from any service from any country. When away from home for long periods of time with a lot of “down-time” or as we used to call it, “hurry up and wait” time, this is the sort of thing guys and gals get up to.
I'd be very surprised if Argentine troops weren't doing similar things and like I said, I think it is perfectly acceptable as long as it doesn't cross the line of any form of discrimination or poor taste.
35 Joe
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that British stuck in the longest recession since WWII will find it very funny.
33@
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - no such place as Malvinas - it's the Falkland Islands. Please respect this or I will call Argentina La La Land!
36 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is not in a recession so I guess you are just trying to draw me into the sort of pointless banter that seems to be performed and accepted by many on this site. Sorry to disappoint you but you've tried the wrong person; I'm not interested.
@33
Mar 25th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, THIS is what the British Army does in the FALKLANDS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
Want these back Marcos
Mar 25th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.paradata.org.uk/media/888?mediaSection=Photos
Don’t panic lads
Mar 25th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_has_the_best_army_in_the_world
panic argie bloggers
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_has_the_best_army_in_the_world
Dot lie to my my queen- or CFK or whatever you believe in .lol.
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@29 What's this about KFC 'losing' $1 Billion from the Santa Cruz public purse?
Mar 25th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are all aware that Maximo 'lost' $2.1 Billion for the renovation of the Plummet Airlines fleet of aircraft.
That's already $3.1 Billion that the Kirchners have managed to misplace.
And when our military are not having fun... they're having even more fun...
Mar 25th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0905 Expeditionary Air Wing Falklands....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-U3-9UO0w&feature=player_embedded
I think the islands could be adequately protected from KFC's current military if the only resources available were a half-eaten slice of cheese and a couple of stones.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 043
Mar 26th, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0”And when our military are not having fun...they run scare to the mainland...
Help Argentina please :-)))
MoD spokesperson ”We are very grateful to both the Argentine Authorities and the Chilean Authorities for their cooperation and rapid response which ensured that this emergency was resolved swiftly and with no loss of life.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas
@14 Helger
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are clutching a straws. You cannot draw comparisons as you sadly believe in your country's claim on the Falklands. British Archipelago Islands much closer than the 290 miles between SAmerica and the Falklands are administered by different countries in our neighbourhood. Isle of Man (Manx), Faroe Islands (Danish) were originally Scottish speaking and Norwegian (from viking settlements across northern UK) and were also occupied by the British during WWII but we left them, could your country do the same?
Perhaps we'd battled for them in the past, who knows but they run themselves and align with us or not, as they choose to do. The Falklanders have the freedom to break from Britain but they know the Argentinian mindset and it does not match theirs. Britain is fully enlightened and comfortable with the legitimacy of its standpoint. Argentina is not and seeks to grind down its tiny neighbour as it knows that within international law that is claim is weak.
Scotts believe the Islanders ( Northern Isles) --who until the 15 th century were ruled from Norway--have their right of self determination.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@42GreekYoghurt,
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the $3.1 billion just slipped behind the bottom draw of mrs rubberface's make-up table.
l couldn't imagine them actually stealing it.!
Scotts believe the Islanders ( Northern Isles) --who until the 15 th century were ruled from Norway--have their right of self determination
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0/////////////////////////
The British belive , the falklands [south atlantic] who untill the invasion, have their right of self determination
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and the point is ?
@33
Mar 26th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd much rather our armed forces had a bit of fun than blow each others heads off. I suspect the Argentine equivalent might involve the Lambada!
( 49 )
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British did try to negotiate with Argentina at the International Court of Justice at the Hague in 1947, 1948 , 1955 .However Argentina refused the mediation .....Why ?
( 49 )
Mar 26th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
You are indoctrined.........
I say :
I know the “” Doctine of Lapse “”......
[51][52]
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read my friend read.
[49 )
You say :
You are indoctrined.........
I say :
I know the “” Doctine of Lapse ]
[i no say they strange words]
[51]
you say [ why]
eye say
i dont know why, do you ?
( 53 )
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0U say :
i don't know why,do you ?
Ai say :
are there anyone who knows it why ,here
( 53 )
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
I no say they strange words...
I say :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_lapse
nope .
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 LOL So long as they're off duty. Not as much fun as throwing people out of helicopters though eh?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not user friendly & not guarenteed to make friends.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 033 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the link Marcos.
These are the guys who are going to kill your 'troops' if ever they land in the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) again - did you see them in the credits?
Shitting your nickers again Marcos?
they know not what they say or care
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so why bother.
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
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