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Peruvian president joins the controversy on the turning back of HMS Montrose

Monday, March 26th 2012 - 09:36 UTC
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Peruvian president Ollanta Humala supported Foreign Affairs minister Rafael Roncagliolo following the impasse with the British embassy in Lima that strongly criticized the last minute cancelling of the protocol visit of HMS Montrose to El Callao. Read full article

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  • Alexei

    “we don’t accept pressures from nobody; we’re nobody’s colony”

    Well, he would say that, wouldn't he. He's not likely to own up to being KFC's poodle, allowing Argentina to trump Peru's Congress, and backtracking only after pressure/bribes/promises from Argentina. Unless of course the quote's an intentional double-negative.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    If they denied the ship docking after pressure from Argentina then clearly the action is because of Argentinian pressure, perhaps if they gave a fuller explanation of this then maybe it can be clarified, because from outside it does actually look like they're taking sides...

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    obvious chavist-bloc pet-gimp colony is obvious.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    what a load of BXLXCKS
    pixx of,
    peru is not trying to blame us, for christ sake,

    im not the bloody goverment, if i was, then peru would be on its own now, with her lover,

    its finnished, get over it and stop complaining .

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Funny how the “traditional” stance of Peruvian diplomacy can change overnight... I guess a tradition only lasts as long as it takes to change to a new one...

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    sorry the above was a bit rude,

    we meant to say,

    its no good peru trying the wiggle out of it, and blame either argentina or great britain,
    peru has made her bed,, and must now lay in it .

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    Well done Peru, back on track for the next visit by HMS Montrose.
    A single minister should not overrule a government initiative. Roncagliolo is mishandling his mandate and should hand it over to someone who can lest there be another embarrassing faux pas.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Karl101

    Seems to me that Peru is a colony of Argentina, as it appears to be the country that issues all the orders to the rest of South America. I was thinking of opening up businesses in Peru but I now realise they're not governed by the people we thought they were governed by. Seems to be a bunch of back room boys taking orders over the phone from Argentina!

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Let's look at this as a black box exercise.

    State of Behaviour: Black box indicates visit is acceptable.
    Stimulus: Telephone call from Argentina.
    State of Behaviour: Black box indicates visit in unacceptable. (overt change in state)

    My suggestion would be that the stimulus had direct control over the behaviour of the box. If the stimulus did not exist then it appears unlikely that the box would have changed its state and would have shown the previous behaviour.

    The Stimulus (Argentinian Phone Call) controlled the behaviour (Peruvian Foreign Policy).

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    As an ex RN person I'd say what does it matter: don't order RN ships to call there; it's as simple as that.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Peruvian governments have always acted as the chihuaha of Argentine interests, of course they are a colony of Argentina. That's nothing new. Even in front of the argentine betrayal to Peru (Argentina sold weapons to Ecuador in the Cenepa-Peru-Ecuador-war) they keep licking boots.

    The treaty of UNASUR at no point prohibits british ships entering the ports, but only the ones carrying the Falklands Banner. HMS Montrose was not doing that, so Humala is the little servant of Cristina. Even in Argentina, british ships are allowed to enter, so she was asking him to even “top” their own standards of animosity.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    “It is not a specific support to Argentina, it is a support of the political stance of Peruvian policy for over twenty years”, said Humala.

    Surely the Congress would have known this when they okayed it then? Or is he just spouting utter utter lies in order to cover for the fact that it's specific support to argentina, judged from a massive policy change following a phone call from argentina?

    Send the RN onwards to Florida... never shall they return to such a place where lies are thinly veiled with rudeness.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Never go where you are not welcome,

    Perhaps it would be better for all, if argentine navy ships visited Peru,
    Then they can both be very happy.

    And the royal navy can visit hot and sunny Florida, where they know they will be welcome.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Surely time to ask a VERY important question. Is there anything that Peru has that the UK really NEEDS? Whatever Peru has MIGHT be useful, but is it really NECESSARY? Unless it relates to something that the UK really NEEDS, the British government should start making it VERY expensive to have British businesses in Peru. For instance, any British banks in Peru could be required to pay 95% tax in the UK on Peruvian income. Other British businesses could be required to pay ultra-high import duties to bring goods from Peru. They could also be subject to extra-high taxation on any income from Peruvian sources. Of course, these are all features that could be cancelled in days, or even hours. And, of course, we could have a constant procession of British warships, surface and submersible, sailing past, slowly, conducting live-fire gun and missile exercises just outside Peruvian territorial waters. Doesn't seem as though there is much in the way of a “relationship” between Peru and Britain. Seems as though we aren't too interested in argie lap-dogs!

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Is it not true that Peru helped and aided argentina in 1982.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Helped them in 1982 and still helping them now. All Argentina need do is call, and they'll be there.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    'and the visit could take place in the future' quote. I'm sure the RN will visit Peru in the near future and this will cause the Nazi comedians something to squeal about.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • puerto argentino

    Very Nice Mr Ollanta Humala!!! It is a link of Mr Corrupt David Cameron !!http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/96363/uks-cameron-pledges-inquiry-on-cash-for-access-claim

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    tut tut
    do you always belive what you read in them dasterdly papers.

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Fascist

    10 Room101

    Ah but Peru's last min cancellation of the visit, at the behest of a desperate Argentine President and the consequent knock on effects have been very effective.

    Peru does 100x more trade with the UK, than Argentina. They now need to choose, do they want to be run from Buenos Aires or Lima? Simples!

    Do they want a functional economy, or do they want an economy of tin pot dictatorships, governed not by common sense but by stupidity?

    Do they want to prosper, with one of their largest trading partners Britain, or whither alongside a whining old bag, neo fascist and corrupt dynastic wife of a dead President's Argentina?

    Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • puerto argentino

    19 briton
    Sorry Briton, I think this is better.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9168388/Cash-for-access-David-Camerons-private-dinners-for-donors-revealed.html

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    21 - Stop spamming moron - irrelevant topic and a unproven story.

    How about we prove something that is really true?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/26/argentina-kirchner-wealth

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • puerto argentino

    Cameron with Cruddas!!he,he, nice couple....so
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120519/David-Cameron-fundraising-scandal-Guest-list-Tory-donors-dinner-Downing-Street.html

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @23 you're just upset because puerto argentino doesn't even exist. That makes you upset inside for 2 reasons:
    1) Because your country loves war, and you love war and taking land
    2) Because you didn't win.
    That eats you up inside and makes you angry, so very angry.

    We all understand this *pats you on the head*

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejomartinez

    The fact will always remain thatbthe Montrose could NOT touch South American ports as South America supports A rgentina's sovereignty. Dont cry over spilt milk Mercorpress and come to terms with reality: truth and justice will always prevail. EXCELLENT JOB ARGENTINA ONCE AGAIN!

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @25 I can assure you, Argentina will get sovereignty over the Falklands just as the sun goes nova. Provided all argies agree to stay where they are while the rest of the world's population leaves the planet!

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    @25

    We'll just wait a bit for the friendly SA nations to fall out over trade tarrifs, restricted agreements, broken promises etc and then the RN will quietly weigh anchor in port probably Peru, possibly Chile or Brasil.

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • expat

    Just heard that an Uruguayan commercial mission will be visiting the Falklands on 14 April and that there will be a commercial air link betwen Montevideo and Mount Pleasant.
    Thanks Mujica !! long live Unasur

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    so sad, they have to employ indocrinated bloggers, to read every paper every page , every article , just to find anything and everything to try and discredit the british,
    talk about desperation,
    losers , always losers that cry .

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    The heart of the matter is that an anti-Chilean warmongering faction needs to have an open door to UK arms sales in order to feed the current Peruvian arms race. For that reason, the “cancellation” of HMS Montrose visit to El Callao comes at the wrong time for the wrong “reason.” Humala belongs to the same CFK/Chaves/Correa mob, but wearing a sheepskin.

    Philippe

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Fascist

    23 puerto argentino

    This is about as sick as it can get...

    Scandal hits Argentina's mothers of the disappeared - Kirchiner's election funding corruption

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/12/scandal-argentina-mothers-funds

    The mother of all scandals?
    A once-revered human-rights group runs into a controversy
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/12/scandal-argentina-mothers-funds

    Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    RE # 30

    Of course, mobster Evo Morales must be added to that select crowd.

    Philippe

    Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • anti-fascist2

    Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...

    Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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