MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
RAF Vulcan bombers trained to bomb mainland Argentina during Falklands war
British newspaper The Telegraph caused a media stir in Buenos Aires on Monday after running a story disclosing the details of a military operation to attack Argentina mainland during the Falkland Islands conflict in 1982. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThese are the same planes that failed to put Malvinas airfield out of action.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did they train for that too?
Wars are just a waste in so many ways.
I think you are confused Marcos, they attacked the Falkland's airfield not the fictional country that Argentina likes to call the malvinas.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to me that attacking inland military bases and airfields is fair game when planes are attacking you from those locations.
These days however, the UK would rain down precision guided cruise missiles with complete impunity if the same occurred.
Marcos - if wars are a waste then why did you lot start it? And then lose it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Xect Exactly, saved me some typing. Cheers! :)
Mar 27th, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 01
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The runway was damaged but was then repaired. Buildings and some aircraft were also destroyed. Prompted Argentina to withdraw its Fighter Aircraft based at Stanley, allowing RN Carriers to come in closer from the east.
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These days however, the UK would rain down precision guided cruise missiles with complete impunity if the same occurred.
Whilst all war is futile and should be avoided, raining down destruction with impunity from a keyboard thousands of miles away doesn't quite have same romance about it.
@1 For someone who claims to be a 'general' in the Le Camping Hitler youth, you don't know anything about military strategy.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0All these chaps are right, bombing the airfield made the fighters withdraw to the mainland which limited their attack and made them easy to spot flying in, and you claim to dislike war and yet you start wars that you lose and then you lose them and fail to register this fact.
The black buk raids were an amazing feat of airmanship if of only limited use.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The navy's shore bombardment was more effective.
Hence one of the argintinean military's competant decisions not to base any fast jets on the island.
@7 Nothing to do with the lack of servicing and maintenance facilities then?
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Yes, less french folk from Dassault to maintain the firing systems in the Falklands.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Black Buck raid on the Falklands had the desired effect. It convinced the Argentine military that their mainland airfields were within range of attack from the UK. As a result, the Argentinian air force kept their fighter squadrons to protect the mainland and effectively out of the conflict ,
Mar 27th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0More mines
Mar 27th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/removing-argentinas-mines-from-the-falkland-islands/
@11 How did they decide whether to chuck a nun or a land-mine out of the plane? Because they were under orders to do both.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vulcan bombers ??....just heard it !..probably a playstation tool !
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you not have F--22 Raptors ...you are no combat power...
What is F-22 Raptor ?
Let me explain you all...
The Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22 Raptor is arguable the most advanced fighter in the world.It is also the most expensive costing $ 211 millions per jet. [US Army has --188 on its inventory].The Raptor which first came into operation in 2005 is an extremely fast stealth fighter and is designed to identify,track and take out targets before it is ever actually seen. The fighter is equipped with two AIM-9 Sidewinder Missiles, 6 medium range air to air missiles,a 20 mm gatling gun,two 1000 pound bombs and eight 250 pound bombs.
Price per unit ....$ 211,6 millions
Yes and we were ready to make ground attacks on Argentina airfields to kill pilots and flight personnel and to take out all fighters on the ground. You actually don't know how close it came to this one squadron of SAS were in the air and were called back just as it reached the coast of Argentina as peace had been agreed. One lucky country Argentina because more would have followed they were deemed suicide with personnel killed or captured but necessary for what was to follow.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember we don't play at war we are past masters at the dark art especially when a country attacks us that's why in the past not many country's manage to get the better of us something you lot had better remember in the future with your jingoistic take on the Falkland's.
Don't these planes carry nuclear bombs? There should have been one dropped on Buenos Aires, this would have put them out of action!
Mar 27th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Some people suggested that at the time. That would have been pretty barbaric and horrendous overkill, but I wouldn't have put it past Thatcher.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 013 McClick
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? so your a advert for the American airforce now??
I think that you've forgotten one important piece of information you pathetic excuse for a ZX81. That is the Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22 Raptor is not allowed to be sold to anyone who is not American. Because the senate is worried about that sort of technology being in the hands of its potential enemies. Anyway, the F22 is a bag of s**t, give Eurofighters all the way.
This is why it is IMPERATIVE that Argentina adquire nuclear weapons!!
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This would deter Britain from using its weapons of mass destruction on a weaker nation. You bomb Buenos Aires we bomb London! There is no other way to preventing a bully from using its TOYS. Since India and Pakistan adquired nuclear weapons there has not been any war between them.
@15 Maybe we should drop one of those bombs on your head! silly pri***.
@17 Agreed, the Typhoons actually out performed the F22 in excercises in the US, not to mention that little bit of play fighting with 3 F15e's up in scotland, and that was just a test version of the typhoon, but it still came out on top and kick all 3 F15es exhaust pipes lol.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 The USA basically said they didn't want it to go nuclear.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 The bully here is categorically Argentina. You're bullying the Falkland Islanders.
I would have loved the SAS raid to have been carried out.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was to be a 'land in a C130, SAS disembark the Landrovers, blow up the fast fighter-bombers, shoot everybody on the place and then walk to Chile to escape'. The C130 was to have left as soon as the SAS had got off.
It was thought to be too 'agressive' even by Maggie, who, it was believed turned it down.
Bear in mind that this raid would have took place while the Task Force was on its way to the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).
A helicopter full of SAS had already overflown another part of Argentina due to a cancellation of an attack when they were already in the air. When they landed in Chile the SAS hopped it and escaped by sea. The helicopter crew gave themselves up to the Chileans and were eventually repatriated back home.
The SAS are a marvellous bunch of 'no quarter given' fighters. Nothing the Argies had then or now could have stood against them.
@21 I think everyone is aware that the first thing you ever do in this scenario is 'ground the planes'. A lesson to learn for next time.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos-ill informed as usual- The 1st Vulcan raid DID put Stanley Airport out of action to Arg Airforce JETS. Only transports and light aircraft were able to continue using it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was the first of 3 critical “turning points” in the conflict - as others have pointed out to you: It caused the withdrawl of the Mirage interceptors to guard Arg bases and B.A. noprth on the mainland - thus removing them from the fighting zone.
It also thus meant that the FAA operating from RioGallegos and RioGrande etc had very limited flying time over the Islands.
A further attack using the air-ground Shrike missiles took out some radar defences around Stanley
In case you are wondering-Turning Point 2 was the sinking of the Belgrano- the Arg Navy them retreated and removed itself from the conflict. No 3 was the capture of GooseGreen by a small outnumbered attacking force - that convinced the Arg Army they were likley to loose the war.
McClunk - I would like to see a Raptor flying with a full bomb load AND full load of air to air missiles!
Idiot- they can operate with one - or the other! Same as the Typhoon can - and prooved over Libya.
Also as others have correctly said - the Typhoon is its equal in combat practice - if not actually superior in agility.
Aussie Sunburnt - think you will find that UK has always made it clear it would NOT use Nuclear on a non nuclear state -AND - it fully respects the treaty of Tatleco(spelling?).
@18 With Argentina's history of aggression I'm not sure Chile, Brazil and your other neighbours would allow that to happen. Under the circumstances I don't think we'd all sit back and allow Argentina to become another North Korea or Iran, 'imperative' or not.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 It is already another North Korea. DPRK secretly wants the whole of historical Balhae back, but China won't let it have it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes me sick to read such blood thirsty comments from a bunch of blood thirsty savages. You blokes have it in your genes to destroy human life you get a kick out of it. You love to destroy civilian and military personel likewise, as you did for example in Dresden Germany during the last months of WWII.You burnt civilians by the tonnes of explosives dropped on defenceless civilians...and you loved it!!
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My recent visit to this city I saw the animosity towards anything English, and the way the extreme German Right has taken this historical massacre to its cause.You see old wounds are not closed and it makes it extremely dangerous even in today´s 21 century. And of course let us not forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki!!
22 GreekYoghurt
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that the only lesson you can learn for next time is not to go to war in the first place
General MacArthur's idea of war fighting was to “remove your enemies ability to make war, by any means” which was why he was going to use Nuclear weapons against China during the Korean war to stop them from sending their troops south, into Korea.
Karl Von Clausewitz view is “War is the continuation of politics by other means”
But I think that Denzel Washington said it best in the film Crimson Tide when he said “The real enemy in war is war itself”
@13 McThink
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All very well, but the F22 first flew in what? September 1997? That's more than 15 years after the Black Buck raids. Hell, the request for proposals that resulted in the YF22 (the prototype design/test planes that eventually became the F22) was in 1986.
@26 Argentina started the conflict, not us.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 I'd agree with Von Clausewitz, because the argentinian politicians took the negotiation into a military form and was lost when the war was lost.
MacArthur's idea was to use dirty radium weapons to create an unlivable strip between china and Manchuria and then drop 'friendly' Taiwanese paratroopers into the region to govern it. Not sure how that would have worked out, but I suspect badly.
@26 To be fair the bombing of Dresden was militarily pointless, barbaric and inexcusable. However, your mate Hitler was warned that Britain would retaliate if he invaded Poland. We didn't start it, but we did finish it. A bit like your invasion of the Falkland Islands. There will be no aggression against Argentina, unless Argentina starts it. Unfortunately many of us believe, given our experience, and Argentina's history and rhetoric, it is quite likely that Argentina will again, if they think for one moment that they could gain from military action, start it. We'll finish it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 Argie sunshine
Mar 27th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was YOUR fascist junta that invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982 and subjected the islands population to military rule, marshal law, rounded up suspects and locked them in church halls for the duration of the conflict, threatened others with being “disappeared”, held guns to young children's heads.
It was the natural progression of a fascist military government and a nationalism with its roots firmly placed in the orgins of European Nazism and fascism. Having slaughtered 100,000 of their OWN youth, raping and torching young males and females in the process.
IS THIS IS THE BLOOD THIRST YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARGIE FASCIST?
HAD YOU PEOPLE THE COMMON DECENCY TO RESPECT NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY, YOU WAR MONGERING SCUM WOULD NEVER HAVE INVADED THE ISLANDS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND 1,000 PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE ALIVE TODAY.
IT makes me UTTERLY SICK to read UTTERLY REPUGNANT NATIONALIST like you claiming that their fascist military junta having ethnically cleansed Argentina of left wing youth had some kind of moral superiority in INVADING a peaceful island of a couple of thousand people in the South Atlantic.
Neither you or any of your compatriots on here - most living in exile in foreign countries (many probably up to their necks in the blood lust slaughter of their own people) - would last 1 min in a boxing ring with me. I would WIPE THE FUCKING FLOOR WITH YOU TRASH.
YOu chear on your GOOSE STEPPING FASCIST MILITARY and your claims on OTHER PEOPLES land. NONE OF YOU WOULD EVER FIGHT FOR.
PATHETIC INDIVIDUAL.
#26 don't start something with the Uk we will finish it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We like war and are good at it.
@32 thanks for admitting it! I value your honesty.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 when was the last time you went to confession?? I really think you need a little religion in your life, you are loosing your soul to Satan.Take my advice confess.By the way I am not an “Argie” as you call them and I do not support the invasion Of the Argentinians of the Falklands and I do not support wars of any kind.AND STOP SHOUTING!!
@33
Mar 27th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SATAN HATES NUNS AND LIKES LAND-MINES
ARGENTINA HATES NUNS (chucks them out of planes)
ARGENTINA LIKES LAND-MINES (chucks them out of planes)
THEREFORE ARGENTINA IS SATAN.
QED
@34 when was the last time you laid down on a shrink´s sofa??
Mar 27th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take my advice make an appointment NOW.
@35 you just accused us all of losing our soul to satan, whereas it's been clear from the start that Argentina is far far further down the path.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just ask any of the nuns you drugged and chucked out of planes.
@35 I totally agree! Argentina and everybody lusting for a conflict have sold their souls to Satan.He is needy of lost souls.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ scatter thou people who delight in war” Psalm
@37 Well that psalm relates to Argentina. You started the war, and you went out into the streets shouting in glee about it. Now your president is inviting all her gimps to go to stay in Maximo Hotels at great personal cost in order to watch her celebrate the war, as if you didn't lose it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You started the war. You lost the war. You lost the Falklands. Get over it, we did.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2120965/Argentine-Embargo-threatens-starve-Falkland-Islanders-Cameron-act-now.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Beef , Good point, you should ask yourself the same question in 1806/1807/1845, Iraq, Afghanistan...
Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 Britishbulldog “You actually don't know how close it came to this one squadron of SAS were in the air and were called back just as it reached the coast of Argentina..”
Or maybe some of those brave SAS refused to go?
“The secret Falklands 'suicide mission'
”A major setback occurred on May 17, when a covert mission to insert an SAS team to observe Rio Grande was aborted. The helicopter involved flew on to Chile, where the crew and SAS team gave themselves up“
Major John Moss, commander of the SAS’s B Squadron, became steadily less convinced..
“I put my point of view across at the time, which I felt was the right one. After leaving the Army I went down to Argentina to look at things in a bit more detail. I’m happy with the decision I made. It was the correct one and I couldn’t care less what other people have done.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9158097/The-secret-Falklands-suicide-mission.html
About the amazing waste of tax payer money Vulcan, none of the raids actually destroyed the runway. Cargo planes used it until the last day of this stupid war and fighter jets took off from the mainland with no major problems.
Craters around the runway were in fact pile of earth put there to fool the”smart” Brits.
@26 aussiesunshine.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The germans actually quite liked aerial bombing - when they were doing to other people they found it quite funny. They even invented the word “coventrate” to describe the destruction of a city from the air.
My Gran could see the red glow from the flames from coventry after the firestorm raid, and she lived over 15 miles away. They tried to erase our cities by air attacks and starve us with a blockade.
You're also talking about the same nation that set up murder factories to process millions of people for death and that turned europe into a nightmarish slave labour camp. A country that treated Russians as “Untermensh” - literally sub human. They killed millions of Russians by direct extermination and deliberate starvation.
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM. It was total war, defeat meant death and slavery for Britain. The Germans sowed the wind by their behaviour towards others, they reaped a whirlwind. For some funny reason the Germans are'nt so fond of war anymore.
If the bombing of Dresden saved one British soldiers life, or that of one of our allies, it was worth it. The German casualties just don't count as far as I am concerned. I don't care that the majority of them were civilians, just as they did'nt care who they gassed, bombed, starved or executed in front of their families.
As to the Vulcan raids - the damage was minimal to the airfield, but it shook your lot up did'nt it. It showed we could reach all the way dwon there and we could reach your homeland too if we wanted to. Just like the Germans, if you don't like the consequences of aggressive warfare, don't inflict your dreams of conquest on those who can and will fight back.
THINK AGAIN ARGENTINA, I WON'T CRY FOR ANY OF YOU IF YOU GO DOWN THE PATH OF WAR AGIN.
@40 You're wrong, the bombs landed across the runway with 1 or 2 strikes. However, the main outcome of the bombing was that the Argentinians believed that there would be a strike on their homeland which caused the fighters to be pulled back to where they were having to fly 500+ miles before engaging with any targets.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was also the first strike of the war, showing the Argentinians that the UK was prepared to remove them from the islands at all costs. A great move against their morale.
It was incredibly successful from a psychological perspective.
At last a topic that I can talk about with some knowledge
Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although I'm British, I would have to admit that the F-22 is top dog. It was not designed to mix it in a dog fight. It was designed to knock out enemy aircraft at a distance without being observed. The first thing an enemy would know was when it was hit by a missile. The F-22 could enter a battle scenario unobserved and destroy the opposition before they new it was there.
If it does have to “dog fight” then it has failed in its mission. The American's are unwilling to let any “friendly” power have the technology in case it falls into “unfriendly” hands
It does have some problems with its aircrew oxygen supply but this will be put right.
As to the runway on the Falklands, I came across an article in a military aviation magazine which stated that the IAI Daggers could not have used the runway because it was not long enough. If the invading forces had spent some time and effort on this, it could have made a difference.
Fighter jets taking off from the mainland had a problem - it is called lack of range. In air to air combat the fuel burn increases about four fold when afterburners are engaged. If the Sea Harriers had not got them, they would have had to land either in the Falklands or about 300km from the Argentine coast. The Argentinian pilots were considered good “stick and rudder men”
but tactically naive. It was hawks against chickens.
As to the Vulcan mission, it made the Argentinian government think that an attack against the mainland was a distinct possibility.
As to the use of nuclear weapons, it would never have happened. These are strictly for an Armageddon scenario, when the UK has been wiped out by a nuclear attack, then there is nothing to lose.
Looks like Twitterman has been make false accusations again - http://tinyurl.com/d9g4jlo
Mar 27th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde15:
Mar 27th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't, The typoon is better suited in close range fights and the USAF admit that much.
What they didn't like was when they finally allowed the F-22 to fight a Typhoon in war games, The typhoon got a radar lock on an f-22 at an extreme long range.
The USAF made excuses and refused to allow the F-22 to go up against the Typhoon again.
There were plenty other story's about Typhoons getting locks on Raptors before this. It's not as stealthy as they make on.
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Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has no ability to structure complex war machine by technology and means...
For example.... British BAE [Nimrod MRA 4] fiasco....
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However , [ PC - Orion fleets ] are out of date today...
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The Boeing [ P8-A POSEIDON ] is an ocean patrol and antisubmarine aircraft...Poseidon's main function is to patrol the skies with its state of the art sensory equipment ( this and similar technology owned by merely US and Russia).....also added wings of the 737 --900 engines ( most developed in the world)....also AGM-84K standoff missiles ( you can not find any details on media about this newest --K -- version)...also let's not forget MK-54 torpedoes....finally.. you can not see any details of this new POSEIDON A version on media/internet...
US Army has ...122 units [P8 A POSEIDON] in its inventory..
Each unit price is ...$ 206.5 mllions
very silly
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK goverment has the power to end it all.
catcha
@46 You're comparing the US military and the UK military, but I'm not sure why... USA & UK are allies. You're not our ally.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0|48|
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is just the pet of US.
US pets UK sometimes....!
UK is just the pet of EU.
EU doesn't pet UK every time...!
@44 I read in the Buenos Aires Herald that CFKC was invited to the summit but she didn't want to go and she ordered Boudou to go. He refused so idiot Twitterman was sent to humiliate the Argentines again; he is very good at it.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 Are you a drunk?
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 He could be being clever and trying to play the part of the meek state that doesn't even have military intelligence because it's so peaceful. I don't put it past them, but I guess it's more likely that they're just complete amateurs judging from the wikileaks.
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has said “insinuations” by Argentina that the UK sent a nuclear-armed submarine to the South Atlantic are “baseless”.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17524714
all they do is lie like children, she is a disgrace, as those who support her deluded theiving claims .
Mar 27th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the warmongers Brits, amazing British video show the accuracy of the raid.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Vulcan - BlackBuck raid over Stanley”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvn85FxceRg
@54 Regardless of you being in Le Camping, you'll still find it was the Argentinians who did the warmongering.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get over it in a Le Camping style, by building a new hotel. We didn't.
35 Argie sunshine
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fake Australian, Argie. You not only need a shrink you need a brain.
I suggest you start reading and learning rather than posting crap on this site.
The people of Britain are about as hacked off with Argentina as it is possible to be. Thank you to all the fanatical nationalists and a dysfunctional dynastic re-enactment of the Peron dynasty for guaranteeing that the Falklands will remain British no matter what.
Politicians will sell their own mothers for the right price but one thing they will never do and that is commit suicide.
Now back to Argie sunshine - when you've figured out why you're posing as an Ausie, when most Ausies would smash your fucking face in, let me know. Perhaps you need some sense knocking into you?
@55 Not only you are unemployed in US but you live in a camping?
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#46
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you get your startling informed information from? A child's comic book ?
The US Army would be amazed to know they have 122 P8A Poseidon aircraft in their inventory. They are under the impression that they fight on land.
The US Navy would be wondering where their order had gone. Latest news on the subject. The US Navy has just placed an order for 6 aircraft with first delivery in 2013. The value of the contract is $1 billion. By the way, British Aerospace is one of the main contractors. According to you, Britain has no technical ability to build any advanced technology. I have seen the MR4 Nimrod and spoken to some of the people involved in its development. It was the best in the market and was cancelled by the incoming Tory government because of budget cut backs caused by an out of control banking system.
I have had an interest in maritime aircraft since my brother flew Shackletons in the 1950/60's. I have also visited RAF Kinloss on many occasions and seen the results of anti-submarine exercises carried out by the Nimrod and other “friendly” allies. The RAF crews and Nimrod were always at the top end of the game. True, we only build aircraft in conjunction with our European and American partners because of the huge costs involved. The wings for the Airbus series are designed and made in the UK. Have you ever heard of Rolls Royce Aero Engines - they do seem rather popular with aircraft manufacturers. What feats of engineering has Argentina produced.
One quite good counter Insurgency aircraft in the Puquara,using French engines.
A few attempts in the 1950's at jet aircraft designed by Kurt Tank who escaped toArgentina after WW2.
By the way, are you 14 years old. Your postings look like those of an adolescent.
@57 Are you telling us that you're not in Maximo's Hitler Youth Le Camping?
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow.. the thought of you answering a question. Remarkable.
@56 And you need to go back to school and learn some proper manners!!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The crap your dishing out tells something of your character...uneducated,arrogant,and a low life.....
@ 57 Un poco de dignidad, peronista, los hombres no lloran.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK blinks his eyes, and the Malvinistas lose their minds. Have some dignity Malvinistas, you make feel ashamed of being an Argentine.
@49 - McDick, your comments are very amusing. You see, in the civilized Western world, countries don't “own” one another, as they do down in your poor, shitty part of America. Countries offer support, and sometimes a lack thereof, but unless your country's leaders are put into power by foreign governments (as Argentina's was), then your country is still independent. Try not to cry because your government meetings are like a strange nightmare circus , with the blow up clown KFC at the head of the table.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0|62|
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you amused in Afghanistan & Iraq under the US tail..?
60 argie sunshine
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol shows how much you know. You still haven't answered my question, why claim to be a fake Ozzie?
Uneducated? I had phd in Political Science, a degree in History and a masters in International Relations at a top UK university. So jog on.
Maybe you don't like facts being thrown in your face? I'm not learning manners from the likes of people like you. Your nations attitude to Britain and the Falklands is Nazi and I'm gonna tell it like it is.
I've seen posts on Falkland related websites from Argentines that not only threaten terrorism, but are homophobic, full of all kinds of hate - posting photos of pirates, burning British flags, Jew hate, gay hate, threatening to burn down certain places, threatening to burn down Port Stanley, threatening to burn down the Victory Bar and kill people.
These posts are all from Argentines on Falkland related websites and blogs I've seen recently. The rhetoric from your country is going to incite and encourage this kind of HATE. Thats why no responsible government would use it.
As I've said before, you fanatical nationalists have no base from which to give advice to anyone. The best thing you can do is take advice and fuck off.
I'm not wasting intelligent argument on people it would be wasted on.
It would be obvious to a 10 year child, which side has the moral high ground on Falklands sovereignty. Normal nations don;'t go around claiming other nations land and people.
Few, if any of you fanatical Argie nationalists, live in the country you claim to love. It disgusts me. You have no self pride. None of you would be prepared to die for the Falklands, you'd want others to do that for you.
None of you would last one round in a boxing ring with me. You're all pathetic. Argie sunshine - you are more pathetic than most.
We are of course forgetting the memorable Argentine attempt to blow up Royal Navy ships in Gibraltar harbour.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Algeciras
Just as well it had failed. The gloves would have come off and a contained war in the Falklands might have been taken to the Argentine mainland with goodness knows what escalation.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another fake you prat, it's a simulation (NOT REAL).
60 aussie sunburnt
“And you need to go back to school and learn some proper manners!!”
I learnt my manners and how to treat people from my Christian parents, which they took as their responsibility, no-one elses.
It's no wonder you Argies are fcuked up if you are 'learning manners from school'. The poor bastard teachers have to lie to you about the Falklands Islands (there are no Malvinas): guess what they do about the 'manners'?
Still in Australia? I doubt it, they won't have the likes of you over there.
Poor CFK she has gone to the heavens and the depths, of the known universe, and she still cant get the Falklands,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has bribed and blackmailed her way into the brains of her beloved,
She had engulfed the mighty UN and the combined super strength of the mighty south Americans, and still she cannot come up with the goods,
And now even her loyal immortals are deserting her, just what can this evil deluded woman do,
[Say sorry] would help
Be kind would help
Drop dead would help,
But just dropping her deluded and illegal thieving claim would end all this hostility,
[Would it not]
Be British, you know it makes sense ..
68 briton
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These islands belong to Argentina before even our nation exist. This you can not argue with. Our vetrans will sail captured Yehuin to your islands and occupy your land! You can not stop us!
@69 Filippo (#)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These islands belong to Argentina before even our nation exist. This you can not argue with. Our vetrans will sail captured Yehuin to your islands and occupy your land! You can not stop us!
I was beginning to become bored with reading these posts on this whole site as they are all blurring into the same tit for tat rubbish, but having seen your wonderful statement, I'm going to keep reading. It has been a busy hectic hot week at work and I am in need of a little light relief, so I am looking forward to watching the exploits of the Rust Bucket Raiders !! It reminds me of an old film with David Niven and Roger Moore, but will have a happier funnier ending when it sinks with all of them in it !!
34 GreekYoghurt
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This story that you keep quoting about nun's being pushed out of planes, I would like to know more about it. Do you have a link or some recommended reading?
I would love to see how low these godless B*st*rds stoop to “defend” their way of life.
69 Filippo
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can assure you,
That if and when the glorious argentine navy manages that almighty mammoth task and sail 8,000 miles from Argentina to the British isle, up the Thames, and captures tower bridge, in all but 13 rowing boats,
They will be the envy of the free world.
Until then you will just have to put up with the British 300 miles away in the British Falklands,
Will you not.
.
Better late than never l suppose.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0My old cobber Argentine sunshine has surfaced again.
At your post #18 you say, & l quote:-
re nuclear weapons, blah blah etc-“ you bomb Buenos Aires & WE bomb London”
“WE”, aussie?
Didn't know that the UK or the Falklands had a problem with Australia.
ls Australia going to bomb London? Porque?
Admit it mate, don't be shy.
Be proud to admit that you're from Argentina. heh! *snigger*
Don't be like St Peter in denying that he knew Christ.
“Before the cock crows, you will deny me three times”
Be a man, not a worm.
@64 A phd in political science and here you are using four letter words left right and centre....Go back to school!! Lol LOl Lol Lol
Mar 29th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Either US daddy wouldn´t have allowed that or at the end UK´s command would have realized it would have destroyed Britain´s relationships with this part of the world (except with Chile: UK´s sideshow by them), period; it´s just one of those post-war stories. Move on ...
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
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