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Nobel Peace laureates should visit Falklands before reaching any conclusion
The Falkland Islands expressed disappointment with six Nobel Prize winners who urged the UK government to open sovereignty negotiations with Argentina over the Islands but seem to by pass the right of Islanders to self determination. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is the correct response. now challenged i wonder what sort of backtracking will now be done by the 6?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am very pleased that the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) are going to write to each of these foolish individuals to point out one or two salient issues.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I respectfully point out that some of the islanders have been there for nine generations and the instigator of the excrable uninformed letter is himself a first generation Argentinian.
Keep up the good work. My best wishes to everyone on the Falklands.
Brazil nuclearising the south american continent:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2009-06/why-does-brazil-need-nuclear-submarines
Dangerous.
Noble Peace Prize Winners do not live in the real world. Ellen Johnson Sirleaf won, and now she is introducing anti-gay laws into her country. She sounds like a fool, but would fit it well in Argentina. Though, the Casa Rosada being the 'Pink House' may sound a little too homosexual for her liking!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colonialism on the south american mainland - French Guyana:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/south-america/french-guiana/
TWIMC
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has been overlooked or misunderstood by the six Nobel laureates….
” It is difficult to envisage how the General Declaration of the United Nations could have been construed to benefit the same subjects of the colonial power who - whether they in fact knew it or not - had been the very instrument of the colonial venture through which British occupation and continuing presence on the Islands had been maintained in the face of Argentina's protests. ”
http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1518&context=iclr
Colonialism on the south american mainland - French Guyana:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/south-america/french-guiana/
The islanders should leanrn history and the UN chart and UN resolutions before reaching any conclusion over self determination...
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but it seems they like to be ignorants...
Woman ...talk vainly here where nobody reads website..
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you have any your embassies in anywhere in the world to to take “” visa“”. ??? ..............I can not hear your reply..!!
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You ,Collapsed UKISTAN's rag part.
“Desmond Tutu leads demands for Britain to back down over Falklands”
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We therefore request that you review the British government's position of refusing to dialogue on this matter, and that your government comply with United Nations resolutions calling for the initiation of talks with the Republic of Argentina.”
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2012/03/28/desmond-tutu-leads-demands-for-britain-to-back-down-over-fal
@10
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no talks. you know what the conditions are and they will never happen.
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 011 The Cestrian
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How desperate you are getting that your posting MercoStanley articles in the Telegraph :-))))))
Tutu Tutu Tutu!
Looks like mass vote rigging is about to take place in BA:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Change in voting method
Interior Minister Florencio Randazzo said yesterday that next year “citizens will be allowed to cast their vote with any kind of document” and explained that a proof of vote will be delivered. This means the DNI booklet will no longer be necessary and, according to the minister, “this will make life easier.” On Monday President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner announced that the Executive Branch presented a bill that aims to change the electoral code.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/96586/argentina-in-brief
“Nobel Peace laureates should visit Falklands before reaching any conclusion”
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Took the words right out of my mouth but I would add that they also study the history of the islands very thoroughly. Both from the perspective of Argentina and from the perspective of the FI and the UK.
Because, if they visit the islands and study the history and then still reckon that Argentina should take control we will then know that it is not a sense of altruism from which these good folk derive their concern but from the axe(s) they are grinding.
The more sabre-rattling the Argentinians do, the more publicity the Islanders get about their cause. The more hypocrisy the knobel not-peace prize winners belch, the more publicity the Islanders get about their cause. The more Le Camping people stroke their mullets, the more publicity the Islanders get about their cause...et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all playing out well for the Islanders.
Who is this colonial pirate? Who asked for her to speak? She should be ordered to go home from our islands.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These people have no right, even nobel prize fighters know this. This is Argentine land since before Argentina exist and only pirates live there under policy of colonial english government. These pirates live there since 1833 but have no rights under our law, they should be sent home or send to their graves.
$ 9
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You,what an impatient guy, they have self determination right to become fully independent afterthat all countries will be in line to open embassies at these islands leads to approximately full personal/families 100,000 people to location there,and also these islanders should find diplomatic abroad personals to represent them at everywhere in the world lead to approximately 50,000 foreign relation educated persons.
wait and see.
@17
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your law is a fucking sham man. you make it up and amend it as you go along. You are a totally discredited banana republic.
“This is Argentine land since before Argentina exist”
You brain washed cretin. you are soft as shite and if you want to invade the Falklands again then be our guest. This time we wont be so charitable as we were last time.
Wanker.
C'mon British Turnips...
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Discuss with Filippo, the “Non Spanish Speaking Argentinean”
Chuckle chuckle®
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AaaaaaaaaHhhhaaaaaaaaa !
Then let's wait and see....time to act not talk ...!!
We must not lower ourselves to the lower level of wet rats,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If these uneducated children wish to deny the truth, in defence of a deluded fool, that’s there problem, we know the truth,
They are nowt but jealous and envy of us, its as simple as that,
Anti British, from an anti democratic deluded bloggers .
That what you get from eating infected meat lol.
Desmond Tutu tells the UK to do something.... who cares what he says?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure he won a Nobel Peace Prize or is he a ballet dancer? Oh well!
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0time to act not talk....
We wait on these islands will take a seat in UN general assembly.
Time to act not talk....
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah
But all she wishes is to talk
One cannot act until she decides to stop talking,
And that would be a miracle
UN seat,
Would you want to sit on a hard seat surrounded by Russians Chinese and Frenchmen all day. .
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First,you should be Independent to talk around as interlocutor.
time to act not talk.....
( I said UN general assembly not security council)
26 MistyThink (
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 25)
First, you should be Independent to talk around as interlocutor.
[ its hard to be independent, when your
Neighbour, wants your land] is it not.
time to act not talk.....
( I said UN general assembly not security council)
That’s what I meant, do you know who sits next to you.
Can you choose who you sit next to .
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I have the impression that five good people have been railroaded by Pérez Esquivel into signing a letter on a subject they know nothing about. It would indeed be good if they visited the Falklands, or at the very least sought contact with the Islanders.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do we actually want these islands? Nobody [in the Argentine government] responds to this question,“ she says.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For some Argentines, the main problem is the lack of free debate about the issue.
”You can hardly exchange arguments, because you will be immediately attacked. That worries me,“ says Mr Palermo.
”Many people act like football hooligans when referring to the Falklands, but they are only repeating a militaristic view which led to a war 30 years ago,” says Ms Florin.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17271430
** 27 brit
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FI agreed with Britain on a new constitution to take affect by January 1,2009 replacing the charter adopted in 1985.Th new document approved by Queen formalizes the system of self government on the South Atlantic Archipelago while giving Britain the final say on foreign policy,policing,the administration of justice according to a joint statement.The statement also said that the new constitution clarifies the relationship between the Executive Council and Islands' Governor who is appointed by the London Government.It makes clear council members are responsible for the most domestic policies,but the Governor retains “” veto power“” that can be exercised in the intersts of the good governance.Britain still retains reponsibility for external affairs,defense ,internal security and administration of justice.........
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@6 And an article by a prat is supposed to prove what? Adrian F.J. Hope prat writes in 1983. Pity he didn't start his little legal fairytale in 1690. Or even in 1765. Both long before the land of the genocidal argies existed!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Why not? You certainly are!
@9 There are loads of embassies. As the population of the Falklands is British, they are called British Embassies.
@10 As a recently-visiting internationally-known South African recently explained to British audiences, “The vuvuzela is being replaced by the Tutuzela. A similar noise but higher-pitched!”
@12 Talking about in-breeding, how are you, half-breed? Great great great grandma got over being raped by the “conquistadores” yet, has she?
@17 Anybody asked your paid agitators to speak? Anybody asked you to speak? So shut your face! And who exactly is going to “order” MLA Halford to do anything? You? That plastic joke you call a president? Not in a million years!
@20 Don't push your luck, Argie Slug!
@24 Has a seat at the UN. The plaque says UNITED KINGDOM!
@26 UNITED KINGDOM has seat in general assembly as well as security council. The Falkland Islands are thus represented in both! Pity you and your other slugs don't have brains as big as your mouths!
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sit down ...spoon up your “” Youghurt “”...
30 geo
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you kinda lost me.
what is your point.
** 33 brit
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very simple .. this shows that your [ it is hard to be independent when your neighbour wants your land ] argument is invalid.
Dear Malvinistas,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any chance that the Argentinian government, media and education system could disscuss the recent official British gov/FIG response to Argentinas claims to the Falklands??!! Its not very long but makes a number of clear points.
Im not saying you have to agree with whats said.
But in the interests of democracy and having a spine perhaps you could counter all the points made by the letter instead of maintaining the matter as the (ridiculously) simple fairytale of nasty Britain invading the islands in 1833 and forcefully expelling the honourable, peace loving Argentines from them. Theres alot more to the issue - as the letter states - than what your gov, media and education system want the population to believe.
Also from a political point of view can any Malvinista deny the power of the Las Malvinas issue?
As a political tool it has been very effective in promoting and maintaining nationalism which obviously is always to the detriment to democracy.
Before the dictatorships Argentina didnt care too much about Las Malvinas. Then the murdering, ultra corrupt regimes come along and Las Malvinas becomes their raizon detre...
Las Malvinas = nationalism = failure of democracy
Thanks
( 35 )
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ....blue eyes , chubby boy...
This is not Democracy Game ...this is Strategic Game...!
34 geo
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 33 brit
very simple .. this shows that your [ it is hard to be independent when your neighbour wants your land ] argument is invalid.
[oh right sorry, I must have it all wrong,, are you now saying that Argentina does NOT want the Falklands ]
Well that’s interesting; we can all go home now and rest .lll.
This is not Democracy Game ...this is Strategic Game...!
Can CFK steal the diamond, from the lion’s mouth,
Without getting bitten??
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12 Helber Gerber
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have reported your post to Mercopress. Let's hope it gets removed.
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do yoou know Mercopress address ..?
@39
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well obviously if he has just reported it you dimwit.
Las Malvinas = nationalism = failure of democracy
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we hope CFK is reading this .
12
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Mercopress.
Nobel Peace laureates
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0should really see the facts for themselves, rather than anti british remarks .
Well now we have the Nobel 6 on our side we soon have the islands back I think! God must be on our side, since Tutu is! The Pirates will soon be shipped back to Cameron's failing country. Next we send the penguins home also...
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes that would be just like the RG's, picking on penguins. LOL.
Well.. where are the Malvinistas..?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why isnt the recent official British gov/FIG response to Argentinas claims to the Falklands being analysed and discussed in Argentina?
Surely this is EXACTLY what Argentina should do if it has right on its side! Take the letter and prove how wrong the British Gov and FIG are. Its easy right?! You know.. 'This point is wrong/invalid because...'
No answers to the points made? Pure childish arrogance of 'we're right and theyre wrong, end of story'?! Or 'I feel very emotional about it therefor I must be right...' That sort of thing?
Ah wait.. I remember that they only deal with rhetoric and manipulated emotions.
@46
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0because they have no credible argument. This is about keeping the Falklands as an issue forever and a day so that it can be trotted out whenever successive RG Govt's fuck over their own economy.
Its absolutely staggering how at least one of the newspapers hasnt had a major probe into rampant government corruption. If they had a free press, like in the UK, this would have happened by now but no doubt the journalists are shit scared of being bumped off in the night.
what a crappy, shockingly run country to live in.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/29/no-sense-in-negotiating-over-the-falklands/
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
@ 44 Oh wow you have six people who quite clearly know next to nothing about this case. If they are truly advocates for peace, then they would consider the rights of the islanders and not just lap up the drivel put out by the RG propaganda machine. You will never get the Falklands, ever (I didn't use the word 'back' as Argentina has never properly owned them). They rightfully belong to the islanders who wish to remain under British sovereignty. Fact is, the islands are not ours to give away, as in our country democracy dictates that it is the islanders who decide their fate. I don't know whether the same democratic laws apply in Argentina. If you want the islands, you'll have to chat to the islanders about it. Sadly for you, you don't recognise them and therefore can't negotiate with them. QED You'll never get them.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Who is this brainless, uneducated idiot? Who asked him to speak? How can a country own a place when the country does not exist? Makes no sense. Also, these people are 'nobel peace prize' winners (though judging by this they don't deserve them), they are not 'nobel prize fighters'! What is this, a boxing match?
Sharon said “Nobel Peace laureates should visit Falklands before reaching any conclusion”
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, they should visit your englishman colonial Governor Nigel, this way he can explain his major accomplishments in Basra, Iraq.
He loves to be in charge of an illegally occupied foreing land.
50 - Native Americans would argue Argentina is illegally occupied.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51 cLOHO,
Mar 29th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The natives that are left, that is.
Argentines murdered most of them, then stole their land.
World public opinion is in favour of Argentina!!
Mar 29th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Open your eyes Uk and listen to the world!!
you are running out of “amigos”. LOL
@53 Aussie, you have the support of latin America, Iran, Spain and China. We have all of the commonwealth (around 50 countries), all of the EU except Spain (25 countries on our side. Also the US have recently changed their stance to one which favours us far more than you. Think before you open your mouth in future please.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the government from the islands is going to write the nobel winners, then i hope it tells them that the malvinas-falkland cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation, i hope it tells them that the u. n never applied the right to self determination for this dispute, like it did with others colonial situations, i hope it tells too the u. n never expressed that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, i hope it tells them that in 1985, the u. k. tried to include references about self determination for this cause twice, and most international comunity voted against those proposals. I hope it tells them also that argentina has always manifested that it's diposed to renew the safeguards and the guarantees for the islanders, which had been negotiated with the u. k. before 1982, and it rejects that proposal, in the same way that it rejects sitematicly to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most international comunity manifest. It should tell too that teven c. f. k argued in diferent oportunities that we just ask the u. k. to dialague with us and find a fair solution, under the respect for the u. n resolutions, which dont say absolutly anthing about a transference of sovereignty, i'm sure that the local government from the islands, is going to have enough intellectual honesty, and it's going to tell the nobel winners in it's letter about all these questions, or per haps i'm just dreaming.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway for being honest, i dont deny that may be our government didn't act correctly when it recalled the agreements that it had signed with the u. k. during the 90's, but at the same time, neather great britain, nor the islanders never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, and that's not correct eather, nobody can ignore that the sovereignty is the main problem, and it must discussed, but it doesn't mean that the only one outcome for us, is the transference of sovereignty to arg. like your side parrots all the time.
dont be so silly
Mar 29th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is a dictatorship, [prove us wrong]
you are denying the very same rights that you claim for your self,
oh it ok for you to have freedom and independence and rights, but you deny these to the islanders,
argentina has no claim, not in the past, not now or in the future,
you are nothing but a bunch of thieves trying to steal what is not yours, and that make you a disgrace, are you argies proud of that are you,
before you guys start all this crap about who owns what, may we suggest you first give back the land you stole from others like chile, before you start to steal from the falklands.
so soddy off .
@32 Don't like yoghurt (notice the proper spelling). Smelly pap only suitable for argies.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 But you'll be dead soon. That's a promise!
@36 Yeah, strategy. The same strategy that got your grey steel box sunk. What a pity we didn't kill the lot. Still, better luck next time. Next time, a British submarine will sink loads of argie rustbuckets and then aircraft will overfly to remove the scum.
@44 I see your peace laureates daren't respond to ordinary people. How much did you pay? SLUT!
@50 At least he's English/British. Not sh*te scum!
@53 Up yours, asshole!
@55 The Falkland Islands will tell it like it is, prick. They will explain that the Falkland Islanders predate the UN and the UN has no right to interfere, asshole. It will explain, and give examples, showing that argies are sh*te. It may also explain, and I only say “may”, that the UK is about to resolve the problem. KER..Boom!
Can anyone tell me how old these signatories are? Bishop Tutu for one must really be getting on. I wonder whether they really understand the issues?
Mar 29th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they live in the past, a bit like CFK i belive .
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Written into The Arg Constitution is the clause that clearly states that the Islands must belong to full sovereign control of Argentina. No other option is allowable under the Arg Constitution.
Now - please explain to me how and Argentine Govt can possibly sit down with UKandFI and “talk about sovereignty negotiations and solutions” - other than stating that there will only be ONE solution - Full Argentine Sovereignty over the Islands?
Any other option would mean that Arg Govt was breaking Arg Law and its own Costitution!
That is why there will NOT be any Sovereignty Negotiations - how can there be when one side has it written into its laws in advance that there can only be one result?
Democratic Negotiations are when all sides discuss a problem and look for a mutually acceptable solution - which always means that each give a bit and a compromise may be reached! Argentina has already ruled that out beforehand!
Democratic Negotiations are what Britain and FI and Arg WERE involved in before April 2nd 1982! They were un ilaterally - and terminally ended by Arg military invasion.
Ans dont come back with stuff about “that was a dictatorship” - FACT - it was the INTERNATIONALLY accepted Government of Argentina - and Millions of Argentine citizens were singing its praises after 2nd April!!!
And do not come back with any stuff about special consideratiuons for islanders etc! That is NOT the issue - Sovereignty IS.
Apart from anything else even you must admit that Argentina ccoul not be trusted to ever uphold any agreements over any special concessions etc!! Their record on upholding agreements is not exactly inspiring is it!
Does anyone happen to know what the proper procedure would be for the necessary ammendment to be made to the Argentine constitution?
Mar 30th, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0A bomb under where ever they keep the mastercopy of this work of fiction.
ok guys, last night I spent a while typing a comment of such breathtaking insight that it would have had the likes of Mr GreekYoghurt and briton crying over their monitors when they read it. When I clicked on the submit comment button it disappeared, never to be seen again.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because I was a flash of such breathtaking prosse I forgot what the hell I was writing amd now I sit here, feeling strangely cheated and quite a bit annoyed by the whole thing.
oh well, ho hum............
@63 toooldtodieyoung,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats happened to me a few times too.!
And my second attempt is never as good as my first one, damn.
l find that shorter posts are ok. lts the longer ones where it happens.
And if you get disturbed, by kids or partners or just stop typing for a few minutes its more likely to happen.
l wasn't sure if it was my computer or the Mercopress program. Looks like it might be their program.
Yes, oh well, ho hum is right!
@63 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0have you ever heard of FATE,
and you was fated not to ??
with briton and GreekYoghurt
try again, and this time aim it at the loony argie, and press enter,
and hey shazam, ,it will work
61 ynsere
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0My solution to an amendment to the Argie constitution:
Conventionally tipped cruise missiles on all the government establishments whilst they are working.
END OFF
65 briton & 64 lsolde
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, cruel fate!! She is such a fickle mistress no?
I think that I was trying to say that these Knobel peace prize winners should just f**k off and mind their own business. I get the feeling that the Falkland Islanders are fed up of the constant cries of “Negotiate!” from the rest of the world.
I'm sure that they would love to, if they didn't have an uncivilised, expansionist, lying, cheating nieghbour But I think they know, as well as we do, that anything signed by the Argentians isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Oh well, maybe someday..............
agreed
Mar 30th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BRITON. ISLANDER1.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BRITON: The only one ignorant silly is you, only and ignorant who doesn't have any idea like you, about what a dictaorship is, can make such a superficial analysis about it.
Firstly, it's not argentina's fault if the u. n never invoked the right to self determination for the malvinas-falkland cause, like it did with others colonial situations, i already explained one million times, the way that the cause is considered by the u. n.
On the other hand, if we are going to talk about thieves, per haps you should remain in silence, because it wasn't argentina the country that become the islands into a colony, it was the u. k actually, and respeting what arg, stole to chile, that's a myth which is repetaed by ingorants like you who doesn't know anything, we had many conflicts with chile, but most them were already solved, beside, the argentine state made historic reparations for having stolen the lands of the indigenous populations, and for having killed many of them, their rights are included in the constitution. What kind of historic reparation has the u. k. done for arg, for having deprived it from the islands in 1833?, of course it wont never do anything, study and dont parrot mythes, like all the mediocre people.
ISLANDER: We already discussed about it, beyond what our const, says, the u. n never asked the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to arg., so, the islands wont never be only under arg. sovereignty, what you argue, is just an excuse, i already explained many times that even c. f. k manifested that what we ask the u. k., is to dialague with us and find a faie solution. On the other hand, it's very easy to criticise the behaviour of our people the 2nd of april of 1982, but what you ignore is that during the dictatorship there was not any freedom of press, all the chanels were in the hands of the junta, and twisted information about this cause, my next investigation will be about this issue, study and dont parrot partial truthes .
69 axel arg
Mar 30th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can carry on about “Partical truths” and that it's the fault of the U.N and it's the fault of everyone else and every other country and it isn't Argentina's fault and go on about how unfair the world is and how everyone is ganging up on poor widdle Argentina but that's all b*llocks.
What do they say? actions speak louder than words? We have seen the Argentinian police gunning down their own poeple like dogs in the street, we know you “Disappear” people who speak out about the government. Throw nun's out of planes, and has ANYONE in the “argentine state” made “ historic reparations” to the “indigenous populations” of the Falklands for their cowardly and distestable invasion of 1982?
So I think that it is you who is ignorant and silly. Ignorant because you don't know what your own government is up to and silly because you don't suspect for one monent that your governemtn is lying to you.
@70,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel is just plain silly all round.
Oh and very ignorant.
ln fact, he's a dumbass!
snigger
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
70
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 071
Ignore him, he has the only axel that is square,
But hey, its not he’s fault he is indoctrinated, he knows not what he says.
TOOOLDTODIEYOUNG.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are per harps the best example of the ignorant who just buys twisted information or lies.
Firstly, who told you that here dissapear people who speak out about the government?, how can you believe that?, it doesn't resist any debate, may be only you and isolde can believe it, but you dont imagen how rediculous you are when you argue about it. Regarding the historic reparations for the indigenous people, i explained about it, and i dont need to add anything else. Anyway i also think that argentina should make a historic reparation for having invaded the islands, it should apologize the islanders for it, and i have always thought too that arg, should pay for the elimination of some mines which were put in some fields during the war. Beside, i dont deny that may be our government didn't act correctly when it recalled the agreements that it had signed during the 90's with the u. k., but at the same time, it never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is not correct eather. Nobody can ignore that the sovereignty is the main problem, and it must be discussed, on the other hand, the u. n never said that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, in the same way that self determination was never applied for the people from the islands, like it was for others colonial situations. Finally, let me tell you that i criticise our government for diferent situations, however it's your side the one never does any critic and doesn't recognize any of the mistakes that your government makes, so, lest see who is being the true silly.
Axel,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to talk about.
We say that you have NO RIGHTS here.
NADA. Can you not understand that?
So WHY should we have negotiations?
There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty.
lf you cannot accept that, then all you have left is War or Court.
But you all keep telling us that Argentina is “Peaceful”
Your decision, Axel.
ISOLDE.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you consider tha arg. is not peaceful?, does it invade countries?, how many countries did it invade after 1982?. You only play the victim and dont do any critic for the mistakes that your side makes too, so, understand once and for all, if you have unless one line of intelligence, that the hard decitions which were taken by our government, are due to the rejection of your side to respect the resolutions from the u. n, anway if you consider that there is nothing to talk about with us, then dont complain about the hard decitions of our government, did you expect flowers?.
On th ether hand, i dont deny that here crimes are commited everyday, like in all the rest of the world, but it doesn't mean that people who speak out about the government disapear. Only an ignorant can buy that. Anyway, planty of abuses are commited in some prisons where not even the most elemental human rights are respected, that's terrible and obviously that shows that still there is a lot to do for human rights, but it doesn't mean eather that we must ignore all what was done in order t0 improve the situation of human rights in the country.
Axel,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“dont complain about the hard decisions of our government”
What “hard decisions”, Axel? Your government has no decisions to make, hard or otherwise.
Are you making another threat? lt sounds like it.
lt doesn't seem to penetrate your thick head that these are not your lslands & you have no rights here.
Argentina is a foreign overseas country with no more rights than, for example, the Congo.
Of course Argentina is not peaceful, you must be mad to think that it is.
Argentina is a warmongering neo-colonialist nation that is trying to steal our land.
Argentina is implosing a blockade.
Argentina does not respect our flag
Argentina rpeatedly tells lies about us at the UN.
Argentina wants to remove us from OUR land
Argentina wants to steal OUR oil & fish
Argentina harrasses our fishing fleet
Argentina bullies its neighbours to get them to harrass us too.
Argentina continually insults us, calling us implanted, pirats, squatters etc
And now, Axel, you want to know why l say Argentina is not “peaceful”
Do you deny any of this?
Argentina is a Rogue State.
ISOLDE.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you can see, i dont to use to answer your comments so often, because when i read them, i see that you have such a closed mind, with the most radical posture betwen all your compatriots, so, it's imposible to have an interesting debate with somebody who thinks like you.
Anyway this time i decided to answer you, because your omissions and conclusions are amazing. Firstly, i have said that i dont deny that maybe our government didn't act correctly when it recalled the agreements that it had signed in the 90's with the u. k, beside i have always said also that our politcians make omisions too when they reffer this dispute, that's why i investigate.
But at the same time, if you have enough intellectual honesty you can't ignore that your side is not acting correctly eather, if both nations are called to resume the negotiations, it must be respected by both, however your side has never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main issue, anyway accepting to discuss about it, doesn't implicate a submition to the argentine sovereignty, that's a very wrong argument, because the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., beside, i already explained in diferent oportunities about the true posture of my country, what was expressed by c. f. k before diferent forums, and the distortions that your side commits when it reffers what is expressed in our constitution regarding our claim. Your problem is that you dont want any fair solution, you only play the victim, and dont recognize yor mistakes. Finally, i would like to know who put in your mind the crazy and ignorant idea, about the fact that arg. wants to remove your people from the islands, we are not a dictatorship, how can you think that, beyond how much you hate us, you can't buy so easily such a wrong and ignorant argument.
@78Axel,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just do not listen, do you?
The UN General Assembly Resolutions that call for negotiations are RECOMENDATIONS.
Any country has the right to refuse to comply with them.
We see no need to “negotiate”with anyone, so we exercise our RIGHT not to negotiate. To refuse. lt is our RIGHT.
That is the complete end of the matter.
lf you love UN Resolutions that much, explain how Argentina ignore UN Security Council Resolution #502 which called for Argentina to remove its invading troops from the Falklands in April 1982.
UNGA Resolutions are recomendations
UNSC Resolutions MUST be obeyed. Argentina DID NOT OBEY.
We will not “Negotiate”with you Axel, because there is nothing to negotiate.
There is nothing that you can/will give us,
Yet you want us to just “GIVE” you control of our country.
No, Axel, no. nyet non nein nogat hindet tiida la.
All means NO.
Your great cowardly Admiral Jorge Anaya was one of the monsters who advocated removing us from our lslands. there were many others.
You are correct in only one thing, Axel.
l am probably what one would call a “hardliner”
l believe that we should allow NO Argentines, ever, on OUR lslands.
Hope this clears this up for you.
NONE, EVER
79 - Fair Isolde
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you DO allow Argentine tourists in. Let me explain how we handle them in Uruguay:
1. Argentina prospers. Argentines build mansions in Punta del Este.
2. Argentine economy goes tits up (every five to ten years as a rule) and/or Perón or CFK make it hard for Argentines to travel abroad Value of mansions plunges.
3. Uruguayans, Yanks, Europeans, Brazilians (and why not Falklanders) buy the mansions for half their original cost.
ISOLDE.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunatellty i wasnt wrong when i expressed what i think about you in my last comment.
Anyway, firstly i want to tell you that what call recomendations, must we respected by everyone, i have always known that they are recomendations, but if we dont respect them, then what's the sense of the u. n?. the u. k. wants to use that argument, because the resolutions that were expressed for this cause dont benefit it, and because it's one of the members of the securiy councill with right to veto, no more.
On the other hand, this is evident that you forget that when arg., rejected resolution 502, we were under a dictatorship, nobody voted fascist galtieri, did you know that?, i know much more than about who were anaya, videla, suarez mason and those criminals fascists. It was obvious that fascist galtieri wasn't going to respect resolution 502, his government was so imbecill that he thought that u. s. a was going to support his war in the islands. You can use all that you want the argument of the war, it wont impide that we keep on claiming peacefully for the islands, but like i said before, dont complain if we have more problems in the future, you already know what i mean.
Finally, i know what you reffer respecting the removal of the population from the islands, there were very interesting articles here about it, but what you ignore is that during those years, we were also under a dictatorship, it was ongania's, so, did you know that we live in democracy since 1983?, how can you think that we want to remove your people?, anyway i dont think that you change just a little your mind, because that implicates that you should think just a little too, and with the closed mind that you have, i dont it's posible, it's lamentable, but it's the truth, you'll keep on buying all the distortions, lies and partial truthes that are published abut arg., just because you hate us.
@81 Axel,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't hate you, l despise you.
You have not listened to a blessed thing that l said.
Your country, Axel has NO RIGHTS here & we will NOT talk to you.
lnfact, this is the last time l will answer you.
From now on you will be ignored.
You're an ldiot, Axel.
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