MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Six Nobel Peace Prize winners call on UK to open talks on Falklands’ sovereignty
Six Nobel Peace Prize winners called for Britain to open talks with Argentina over the sovereignty of the Aflklands/Malvinas Islands, ahead of the 30th anniversary of the war between the two nations. The call came in the form of a letter directed to the UK's Prime Minister David Cameron. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThese poor guys don't seem to understand, NO. Is it too hard for you to understand?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0it seems so. The Nobel Peace prize winners also find it difficult to understand you. poor guys
These eminent people however fail to note that United Nations Resolution 2065 was fully complied with after it was issued, but then stabbed in the back by Argentina’s invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982. Resolution 2065 is long dead. It would be better if Argentina’s Government reviewed its own position of blockading the Islanders, and complied fully with the UN’s Charter, and Resolution 2625.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good news, I'll be leaving happier to my short holidays in Chile this week :)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have a smile every time people with PEACEFUL claims in response to the military finger of the British Royal Army that points out at peaceful ones trying to make them look as a big threaten that they must fight against.
Life is too short to give credit to those that justify wars.
This is not good news for Cameron, he's got too much to loose when conflicts are taken to the diplomatic side. All the news about the peaceful Argentinian claim on Malvinas sovereignty have been bad for Cameron's Government and the interests behind it.
147 individuals have received a Nobel Prize since 2000. Argentina managed to get 7 to back them. Wow !
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5. Where *did* you get that information from? I count 15 winners since 2000.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
Some of us are aware of the preferential tactics of some of you like yoghurt to offer zero insight into any article and just attack the figures as imprecise; or the source as ignorant, hypocritical, or just plain stupid... But offering wrong numbers to ridicule something Argentina hasn't even asked for?
And how many did WILLINGLY offer support for GB?
Actually, Lord Ton, only one of these people has received a Nobel Prize since 2000.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they know that the main reason there have been no talks is because Argentina is not willing to allow the islanders themselves to take part in them or did Adolfo Pérez Esquivel forget tomention that to the rest of them?
Just as a little example of irony, one of the names, Jody Williams, received the prize for her work with the International Campaign to Ban Landmines lol. Maybe she's not too familiar with Argentina's record on that... Shirin Ebadi meanwhile won her prize for supporting human rights and democracy... Clearly not to the extent where she believes people have the right to self-determination. It helps to underline that having a Nobel Peace Prize does not = all-knowing saint.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0How unconvincing. I'm not sure whether I rank this more important than Sean Penn's support or not. Let's focus in on these individually shall we?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guatemala's Menchu - Likely a big fan of the Mercosquad, as she comes from a country that serves as an effective gas station for drug traffickers on their way up into the US. Native individuals will often sell themselves out to Hispanic dictators (example: Evo Morales)
Ireland's Maguire - Perhaps extremely biased due to the fact that most Irish hate the British, and even refused to fight on their side in WWII.
South Africa's Tutu - Could this guy just MAYBE have a lasting resentment for the Brits since South Africa is a former colony... Yes.
US' Williams - Yet another bleeding heart who got the peace prize for doing aid work. She didn't even win the prize outright. She won it jointly with the “landmine ban” campaign. (funny, Argentina has a real love affair with land mines. Perhaps Jody should be sent all those that the British military dug up)
And finally, Iran's Ebadi - A woman who currently lives in the UK, (probably because Iran would likely boil her in acid if she ever returned, since she is a human rights activist). Maybe after this, the UK should deport her back into Ahmadinejad's waiting arms. Shariah law forgives, after all :)
I find it funny that “human rights” proponents don't care at all about the rights of the Islanders, and will openly support the Chevezspehere (not the most squeaky clean puppet show of embarrassing leaders), but then again, let us not forget that even a tool like Obama can get a peace prize. It's no big deal.
Some more 'useful idiots' for the Argie propaganda machine. I cannot believe that some of these people have thought this through; for example doesnt Tutu know his anti apartheid struggle history and that as well as Taiwan and Israel Argentina was one of its strongest supporters .Not to mention the strange 'shrinkage' of the Argentine black population and the 'whitening'
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0policies of the various Argie governments ,even before Peron came along.
I predict the phone lines will be glowing between Nick Cleggs office and some of these people and expect some retractions a la Waters.
@6, 147 prize winners, you only counted PEACE prize winners.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it quite hilarious that both the Norwegians using this prize as an extension of their foreign policy and now the 'prize winners' themselves have managed the denigrate the award to the extent that it is utterly meaningless.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The messaging of the letter is humiliating to the signatories, even Desmond Tutu who campaigned against tyranny in South Africa has decided to side with a regime that after tyrannising their ethnic minorities is now looking outwards to overseas to extend this.
This letter is dripping in bias and appeasement, which makes it less valid than Edward VIII's right to rule the British.
Nobel peace prize winners “pleasy weasy UK, just roll over and be nice and surrender 3000 of your people to a nasty land grabbing bunch of thugs so we can feel better about ourselves. We think that Britain did really bad things a long time ago and should be punished for them, no matter what the cost to people actually alive today. Besides we want to appear fashionably against colonialism”.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK to nobel prize winners “ Stop making yourselves look stupid, go and read up on a topic before you show your ignorance by making vacuous statements. Just run along now and show concern for something else you know nothing about.”
@13 They're just useful idiots, prescribing to the stories of a neo-fascist regime that destroys lives through corruption. More fool them.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't they just give reference to 'Puerto Argentino' just to slap some bias-icing on that bias-cake that they're baking there?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think Think and his boss should be congratulated for getting heroes from their long past youth to sign up to this. And to dig up such distinguished representatives from North America, South America, Africa, Asia, Europe and Antarctica is the work of a master. Well done. This'll certainly get the PM thinking again.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 I'm completely sure that Think, Marcos and Tobias' Boss will be chuckling into his mega-meal burger and fries as he read the 'Malvinas' letter, wringing his hands over the thought of building a hotel in the colonial enclave of the Argentinian Antarctic.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0#6 - I didn't include the word 'Peace' !
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it matters, all these people do is sign petitions and write letters. Sean Penn was better publicity!
#9 “South Africa's Tutu - Could this guy just MAYBE have a lasting resentment for the Brits since South Africa is a former colony... Yes.”
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could he be right?! Well you can have Desmond Tutu or Nick Clegg, my Queen or Nick Clegg, Desmond Tutu and my Queen or Greek Yoghurt and Conqueror, take your pick...
Whilst people talk about the Falklands there is no talk of the RG's current dire economic performance = success for the RG Govt.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets not forget that Argentina is all but bust. the regime is a vile, horrendous cabal of corrupt and rude officials who has no respect for human rights and certainly couldnt give two fucks about anyone else.
they get support of people whilst insulting them. i think that people's hatred for the UK is more than their obligation to point out the RG's disastrous govt. An Irishman, a hypocrite who campaigns for the abolition of landmines yet supports a country that laid thousands of them on the Falklands and refused to clean them up. Frankly the issue has fuckall to do with them and as I say though their hatred of all things British, envy of our country, just gets the better of them.
I can only assume that, not for the first time, other people and country are very, very envious of Great Britain. who wouldnt be given our history, culture and legacy we have given the world such as democracy, rule of law, football, rugby, tennis, cricket, civilised behaviour - the list goes on and on and on.
This will be ignored by the UK and the UK has no intention of sitting down and talking with such a rude and horrible regime as this bankrupt one in Buenos aires.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the british idiots scramble....
No but....
and..... yet.....
carry on folks...
Oh, and please don't forget to say that CFK whinged and cried here way into getting these nobel peace prize winner to make such a statement.
As DAM would say, keep sucking on it!
Maybe Rigoberta would like to make a statement regarding the Indigenous peoples of Argentina and their numerous abuses reported by Amnesty International.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The RG's want war to deflect people from rampant corruption and bankruptcy of the government. At the minute the UK isnt biting and hopefully she will commit some cardinal sin that merely justifies bombing the RG mainland.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0My take on it is that the UK is sitting quietly, biding its time, waiting for something to happen and then it will act decisively and with maximum force.
I'm hopeful that the RG's may send their navy out to harrass boats or send planes out to try out our air defences, only next time the boats will be sunk and the planes will be downed.
Lets remember though what this is all about - deflection from the real issue which is RG corruption and financial incompetence leading to the implosion of their economy which as we know is up shit creek.
Peace my arse. the Rg's will go to any lengths to deflect from the fact that instead of having say economists they have La Campora. Instead of having decent politicians they have La Campora in power.
The RG's are clueless, couldnt run a piss up in a brewery and are all but broke.
to send members of La Campora onto message boards to do their bidding just shows the pygmy politics at work.
anyone know where the $2.4b disappeared to from their national carrier downed Airlines? Maybe La Campora members on here can tell us?
Negotiations islanders happy as are British support them.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina unhappy
Profit :)
The RG's are now getting more insular as their economy implodes. No one is taking any notice of them bar the jealous and the warped. i note that Uruguay, smarting at the sanctions against its country from the RG's is fighting back:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/96546/uruguayan-businessmen-seek-to-extend-commercial-ties-with-malvinas
good for them.
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
You might break your arm.
@24 they know where it's gone, but they won't be telling you. They prefer to stay quiet when you directly question Le Camping operatives.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Instead we just see more and more money going missing and more and more inflation busting Maximo Hotels being built.
Best thing to do with argies is to ignore them. Argentinians are like “athelete's foot”, just keep putting on the creme and ignore the itching, it'll go away in no time.
27 And you don't strain your little grey cells any harder or you'll give yourself a migraine.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the members of Gilbert house send a fulll and frank letter to these misguided people putting the full facts before them.They will then be able to distinguish fact from Argentine fictiona and get a view from the perspective of the people of the Falkland Islands.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What an ignorant act by these former Nobel Prize winners. Before signing onto such a letter, I would have thought these people, with the exception of dear Adolf, would have considered the rights of the Falklanders. Doesnt self determination mean anything to these people, which unfortunately includes Desmond Tutu....perhaps his clear thinking is succumbing to old age. Regards the Irish signatory, so what....there is always a percentage of Irish folk who sadly carry old hatreds to their graves and can't embrace the present good relationship between Britain and Ireland.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, I find the latest BBC story on those Argentinians intellectuals and others like a former Argentinian soldier opposed to their nation's claim on the Falklands a more significant story....33% of the Argentinian population can see past this brainwashing exercise being used to distract that nation's people from the real problems confronting them. Like poor governance and corruption.
Again, Argentina needs to grow up and learn from its little brother, Chile about economic management. I have visited Argentina on several occasions, and while I do enjoy the country and found many of its people to be quite decent, I see the problems mentioned. On my first trip first instance in 1989, one US dollar equalled 5000 plus pesos....the Peronistas belong to another age...their inward-looking protectionist economic policies are harming Argentina and making it a laughing stock. Even close neighbours Paraguay and Uruguay are complaining about their trade policies, and the latter is looking at trade opportunities with the Falklanders.
@30 It was nice enough for Mercopress to add 'falklands' into the text for clarity but these 6 Knoble 'KFC-style-Peace' Prize winners don't care about the people of the Falklands and their plight, if they did care, I doubt they would have signed something like this, which completely disregards their existence by referring to their country as 'Malvinas', a name they would find offensive in this context.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's like getting 7 knoble peace prize winners to tell Argentina to stop trying to colonise other people's land, and then calling it by it's english name 'Sea of sh1t' or 'Marmierda'.
Leading to:
“We, the undersigned citizens from different countries around the world, committed to world peace KFC-style, wish to convey our biased concerns regarding the territorial dispute between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Marmierda over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, and South Sandwich Islands”, the document read.
How appropriate is that? Well that massive piece of inappropriacy was what these massively biased not-peace folk just signed.
I'm sure they're busy signing letters of support to other folks who created unmapped minefields and allowed 10 of their first nations children to starve while the president built new hotels. That's for themselves and God to sort resolve, as I'm not here to judge them.
Argentina has now overplayed its hand and is falling out with every country they can. This is born of arrogance and a view by the current RG regime that they are untouchable. This inevitably leads to a big mistake, the crossing of a line somewhere and inevitable harsh consequences.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0l'd only ever heard of Desmond Tutu amongst all these so-called “intellectuals”.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what they think? l certainly don't.
Yoguhurt...
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0La tenés adentro?
Argentina and Britain should adjust their stances at this region.!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 speaks volumes and explains quite a lot about the substance to many of your posts.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0however, don't let that stop you. There is room for everyone in this planet.
carry on...
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I know as Paul Gauguin lived in South Pasific Island not in South Atlantic Island.!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 It's better that you know less about them, the more you learn about them...the more ironic it becomes.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35 I've told you many many times, I'm not poor so I don't speak Spanish. When are you going to learn this?
How's life as one of Maximo's Le Camping Gimps? Has he rewarded your hard work with a job in one of his hotels yet?
Didn't Obama win a Nobel Peace Prize one week after winning the Presidential election and 6 weeks before he took office? In other words, for nothing! So much for Nobel prizes!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to recall quite a few Nobel Prize controversies -
Here are a few -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies
But the reality is, none of these people know much about the Falklands or the fact that Argentina's constitution, predetermines the only outcome of any negotiations. I wonder what any of these people would be able to tell you about the Falklands?
They are in the South Atlantic, end of story!
:D
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0a lot of brits posting about these 'knoble' 'no-peace' 'numpties'.
end of story
Peraps these Nobel Peace Prize winners could take the time to travel to the Falkland Islands and explain to the Islanders about their history and why argieland has a claim. Then they could usefully travel to Britain to explain to ex- and serving members of the armed forces why they lost comrades killed, had comrades wounded or were wounded themselves and why Britain should now consider giving the Islands away.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bet there isn't one of them that would have the guts to do it.
I wonder if they have the nous to understand that the British government is doing exactly what the Islanders want, and have a right to expect, it to do. That is, refuse to negotiate with a belligerent, psychotic neighbour with delusions of grandeur that has no valid claim to the Islands.
@41 That's because unlike in Le Campora where you go around spraying walls and beating up 'sepoys' who refuse to vote for maximos mother, we like to employ critical thought.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason everyone finds this letter from the Knoble Lack of Consistency Prize winners is because they seem to know absolutely nothing about what they signed. So much so that it's biased, goes against what most of them were given the prize for, and makes me think some of them are sadly suffering from dementia.
It's quite sad really.
Anyways, you should get back to beating up people who don't agree with maximo's hotels.
@43
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we like to employ critical thought.”
of course....
such as knoble
but hey, don't let me stop you. Carry on with that ground breaking critical thought of yours.
:D
Can I ask ANY of the Argentine writers on here to get me INdependent verifiable confirmation of the following FACTS:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was it explained to these people by Argentina:
1. The Arg Sovereignty Claim is now formally written into the Arg Constitution - thus under Arg Law NO Arg Government can sit down and negotiate about any Agenda other that -Full Sovereign Transfer to Argentina.
2. Arg has many times made it clear that the wishes of the islanders are irrelevant.
3. Argentina will not allow the Islands Govt to be present at any talks . They ignore our right to exist.
4Arg is only prepared to consider what they- Argentina- will decide are the “interests” of the Islanders. Our Democratic wishes are irrelevant to Argentina.
5 UK was abiding by the non-binding GA resolution of 1965 - and talking with Argentina - then Argentina Invaded with Military Force in 1982 and IGNORED Formal Internationally Binding UN Security Council resolutions
6 Argentine Forces have harrassed civilian vessels in the region because they operate to and from the Islands.
7 Arg - in violation of I>A>T>A> conventions has since 2003 refused to allow civilian aircraft to pass through its airspace enroute to the Islands other than the weekly Lan flight - and Arg President has announced at the UN that she would like to stop that in future as well.
I think we can safely say that none of these peace laureates were given any of this information, nor was it even suggested to them by the Arg body that no doubt helped organise this with them that there is another side to the case put by Argentina.
@45
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“nor was it even suggested to them by the Arg body that no doubt helped organise this with them that there is another side to the case put by Argentina.”
yes, CFK cried and whinged (as many here say) and these peace laureates were convinced that those were suffcient grounds to say what they said *sarcasm*
Desmond Tutu:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is South Africa waiting to open talks on the independence of Bantustan?
Philippe
Yet another group of so-called intellectuals who have no care for the rights of the islanders. Have any of these people ever been to the Falklands? I doubt it. Have any of these people ever met anyone from the Falklands? I doubt that even more. These people should be made to go to the Falklands and explain their views to the population
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really wish that people who have never been to the Falklands or have never spoken to a Falkland Islander would just keep their noses out of our business, whether they are a musician, actor, or a peace prize winner. The Falkland Islands are not the British Governments to negotiate away. I find it completely disgusting that we get no mention in their letter. So disrespectful. So shameful. And so ignorant of the facts.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, some RG wins a prize and tries to use it to dispossess the Falkland Islanders of their homeland. This is as funny as Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize, just before bombing the **** out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you can contact these people in some way via the internet. Maybe we should let them know the facts.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 I've lived in the Falklands, both in Stanley and in camp, so I pass the Betty Boop test for commenting. You are wrong on one count. The British Government could, if it wished, do just that if it ever thought it worth it's while. Rest assured, though, it won't and most certainly not during the lifetime of anyone reading this item.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your disgust on failing to be mentioned draws attention to the way this letter was written. It was written by someone who knows the only hope of success for the Argentinian claim is to deny the islanders a say and pander to the anti-British resentment that still lingers around our former colonies. That won't work either because time is on our side and not theirs.
If Rigoberta, Tutu and other cronies are “committed to world peace”, perhaps they should just leave things as they are, i.e. peaceful.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The implication is that, without their 'unbiased' intervention, there will be some form of violence. That sounds a bit like a threat.
Here's an idea. Let the Falkland Islanders live peacefully as they are now, and as they have for generations.
If they want to continue playing silly buggers, the Falkland Islanders could put in a territorial claim on the land now occupied by Argentina, on the grounds of proximity and that the Falkland Islanders have been there since before Argentina existed. This claim could be accompanied by thinly veiled 'threats to peace' if they don't negotiate sovereignty. Nice little country you've got there. We wouldn't want anything nasty to happen to it.
Oh, and along with the long list of Argentina's other colonial claims, they forgot to mention the parts of Antarctica they also covet.
@4:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not peaceful: it is impotent. If it had a powerful army, it would try to invade. This is obvious, and so spare me this claptrap, please.
As to the Peace Nobel Prize, it has been completely discredited since Arafat received it.
Hitler was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize in his first week in office for... promising to continue the War on Terror.
Henry Kissenger won a Nobel Peace Prize - after instigating Operation Condor (google it!) a CIA backed left wing extermination programme carried out by fascist military juntas across Latin America but most successfully in Argentina where 100,000 leftist youth were tortured, raped and dumped into the Atlantic Ocean - in the interests of ensuring American coporations kept their share of the South American market. FACT!
Ah now I realise why the Nobel Prize is so popular in Argentina.
@45...Well said and may be someone is able to find the e-mail addresses for these distinguished nob-el heads and publish them on here so that the people of the Falklands are able to reply !
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0|55|
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is certain that “” GreekYoughurt“” was related into “”Operation Condor“”.
As i said before the definition of 'peace' used by the knobel committee in Norway is clearly the same definition of peace that warmongering mafia ghoul KFC uses when she calls all the argentinians in the 1982 war 'protagonists' and has a antagonistic economic blockade.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a special type of peace.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17271430
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prime Minister David Cameron
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
We, the undersigned citizens from different countries around the world, committed to world peace, wish to convey our concerns regarding the territorial dispute between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Republic of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgia, and South Sandwich Islands.
As noted by the President of the Republic of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the Argentine government has requested that your country comply with Resolution 2065, adopted by the United Nations’ General Assembly on December 16, 1965, which states:
“Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over these islands, we invite the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands. ”
This, the highest international body, again spoke to the issue in December, 1973, through UN General Assembly Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) which was approved by a wide margin of votes in favor, and no votes in opposition. This resolution recognized “the continuous efforts of the Argentine government” and declared “the need to accelerate the negotiations provided for in Resolution 2065 (XX) [...] in order to achieve a peaceful resolution of the dispute over sovereignty existing” between the governments of both countries.
Since 1982, the UN General Assembly has continuously renewed the call through the adoption of Resolutions requesting that the two countries sit down and talk. Also, the UN Special Committee on Decolonization annually adopts
@22
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The musings of Nobel prize winners, hmm well they have an opinion. I can only recall Tutu. Well done to them but it is perhaps interesting to note that the letter has not been signed by:
Barrack Obama
Jimmy Carter
Kofi Annan
John Hume
David Trimble
Aung San Suu Kyi
The Dalia Lama
Lech Walesa
Kim Dae-jung
Borat..
Apologies to anyone dead....
Were they approached by Argentina, well who knows but shouldn't all these people sign it too?
The letter should be recognised for what it is.... an extremely short list!
... a resolution which calls on both governments to consolidate the current process of dialogue and cooperation through the resumption of negotiations, in order to find, as soon as possible, a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This call for dialogue and negotiation has also been made, through resolutions and declarations, by various international instances, regional and multilateral organisms, and international fora such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the Common Market of the South (MERCOSUR), the Latin American Integration Association (ALADI), the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR), the Central American Integration System (SICA), the South American Community of Nations, the Rio Group, the Bolivarian Alternative for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA), the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), Statements of Ibero-American Summits, South American Summits, the First South American Energy Summit, Summits of the Countries of Latin America and the Caribbean (CALC), the II South America – Africa Summit, Summits of South American and Arab Countries, Group of 77 and China, among others.
Furthermore, we would like to recall that Latin America and the Caribbean is presently a region of peace and prosperity, while in the rest of the world, many regions suffer from wars that are seriously threatening world peace.
Failure by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to comply with United Nations’ Resolutions, the lack of willingness to talk with a democratic country (Argentina) whose commitment to peace has been clearly demonstrated, the installation, maintenance, and continuos reinforcing of a military base in this continent (the Malvinas Islands), and the undertaking of air and sea military maneuvers, are seriously threatening peace and harmony in this part of the world.
We therefore request that you review the British government’s position of refusing to dialogue on this matter, and that your government
Is it that the Nobel Peace Prize winners are just worried about things escalating to the point of war and think discussions would defuse the situation?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either way, Britain has nothing to discuss on the sovereignty matter, its up to the Falkland Islanders to determine their future. Similar to other island nations i.e New Zealand or Malta when they feel the time is right they will become an independent nation, but will always remain best friends with Britain.
... comply with United Nations Resolutions calling for the initiation of talks with the Republic of Argentina.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Adolfo Pérez Esquivel (Argentina)
Mairead Corrigan Maguire (Irlanda del Norte)
Rigoberta Menchu Tum (Guatemala)
Desmond Tutu (Sudáfrica)
Jody Williams (Estados Unidos)
Shirin Ebadi (Irán)
I'd like to re-iterate, yet again, that this Falklands non issue isnt receiving any sort of airtime in the UK. The fact is that the UK Government has stated its position and wont be budging on it.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Falklands have always been British, are British and always will be. Argentina have no valid claim to the islands.
End of story really.
@64 Argentina doesn't even abide by Security Council rulings nor the ICJ/ICA rulings so Adolfo Pérez Esquivel can shove his Knobel Not-Peace Award up his @rs3.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone know where the Malvinas are anyways? Are they somewhere near to the Sea of Sh!t? I've looked on my mug and I cannot find them.
The Telegraph UK
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Desmond Tutu calls for talks over the Falkland Islands”
“Archbishop Desmond Tutu and five other Nobel Peace Prize winners have called on Britain to negotiate”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9170135/Desmond-Tutu-calls-for-talks-over-the-Falkland-Islands.html
CNN USA
“Nobel laureates urge UK, Argentina to negotiate over Falklands”
“The laureates' letter refers to a U.N resolution of 1965 which calls on both countries to proceed without delay with negotiations to find a ”peaceful solution to the problem.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9170135/Desmond-Tutu-calls-for-talks-over-the-Falkland-Islands.html
International pressure deepens as the prime minister Cameron is morphing into warmonger Blair.
65 Crestian
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to say I agree with that. Of course I have an interest in the issue so I follow it but the only people in the UK who I ever hear mention it are the ones who know of my interest. It is not on the lips of the average guy or girl on the streets at all. Of course there are a few documentaries and feature articles going on at present but there was always going to be in the lead up and throughout the 30 year key dates. Most pieces have a little extra piece on the end that says something like tensions are rising with Argentina at present. That's about it though and the pieces would have been there pretty much as they are with or without the rhetoric that is flying around at present.
@62 Cero Firstly Argentina has no legitimate claim under international law. If Argentina had a case it would not be afraid to take it to the ICJ, as invited to do so.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That bunch of clowns appear to be quite ignorant of the facts. The Falkland Islands are very peaceful, they don't need any help. There are many parts of the world that are not peaceful. They should divert their pompous self-righteous attention to those places.
'Dialogue' with a belligerent party (Argentina) which demands sovereignty of foreign lands that are hundreds of miles across the sea, as part of its constitution, is pointless. Various British governments have stated and restated that all subjects are open to discussion except sovereignty. Sovereignty is non-negotiable, unless and until the Falkland Islanders decide otherwise. Argentina, from a feeble legal and impotent position 'demands' nothing less than total surrender. It seeks ultimately to ethnically cleanse the Falkland Islands and colonise them with Argentineans... unless we're mistaken and Argentina intends to turn the Falklands into a nature reserve? :)
There is no way any British (or any other civilised) government would betray and sacrifice its people, and future generations to such a fate.
The constant and continuing threats and intimidation from Argentina is likely to ensure that, for many generations to come, Falkland Islanders will want nothing to do with Argentina, let alone hand over everything they have to their unpleasant and aggressive neighbour.
To paraphrase the Bible, “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's islands”
Now **** off, take Tutu, Adolfo and the others, and leave the Falklands alone, haven't you got other things to worry about in Argentina?
@67 International pressure deepens as the prime minister Cameron is morphing into warmonger Blair.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your dreams. no one in the international community or the UK gives two fucks about this sabre rattling. You are utterly delusional about this issue as are all of La Campora. None of this even hits the radar in the UK.
does this shit appear on RG telly every night? does anyone know?
@69 Alexei,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not be angry with me. I just shared a letter written by six winners of the Nobel Peace Prize. It seems more more reliable and true than the words of a population implanted by a colonization.
'71
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. I assume you are referring to Argentina?
49 Betty Boop
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely right Betty,these so called peace prize winners are simply looking for a new cause and bugger the people that it really affects. Don't take any notice of Argentinian creeps pretending to be Brits, Icelanders, Swedes, Irish, Australians, New Zealanders and Brazilians. Any British Government could not possibly negotiate away The Falkland Islanders rights and survive in power. Argentina is so obviously the aggressor and if old Tutu is so stupid he cannot understand that then f--k him and f--k the rest of them.
72
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume that you are not an intelligent person
f-k invaders pirates stop talking bullshit. go to live to UK if you don´t like it
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74 We 'know' you're not an intelligent person. No assumptions required.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The thing is Cero, you're in 'Le Camping' and for that reason we know you and your mullet work behind the desk at one of Maximo's new hotels.
The Knobel Not-peace Prize is basically a Norwegian political tool used by their foreign ministry to butter-up people that suits them. I've never heard of the most of the folks that have signed this letter before, other than Desmond and escape from Iranian tyranny lady. The more I read about them, the less valid the peace prize becomes.
Don't you Le Camping people have better things to do, like Argentina loved activities such as stroking your mullets, grooming young girls, et cetera?
Greek Y
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you're a gangster and thief!
You're a shame for humanity, like all the pirate population established in the islands
The request is respectable and valious, but we all know that nothing is going to happen finally, the u. k. is going to continue cleaning it's ass with the u. n resolutions. Beside, as you can see, not even these nobel winners ask the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, they just ask it to resume the negotiations by the u. n, that call the two parts of the conflict to find a peaceful solution everyyear.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already explained one million times about the true posture of my country, and i argued also about the partial truthes that the politicians from both sides express. If the only one thing that most you can do, is victimizing the islanders, with out making any critic of your own behaviour, that can't be another thing than mediocrity. Meantime, i respect and thank so much, these nobel winners who concern about the malvinas-falkland cause.
@76
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m not kirchnerista, so ?
By other issues, I suggest you talk to the winners of the Nobel Peace Prize. Take it easy, I assure you, they are more reliable than you. regards
The response from FIG
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=303:nobel-peace-prize-winners-should-not-overlook-rights-of-islanders-says-falkland-islands-government
Betty,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surely, this does not suit to the pirates !
Brazil building nuclear submarines. so much for a nuclear free zone in South america. Yet more hypocricy from RG land;
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2009-06/why-does-brazil-need-nuclear-submarines
Have the Rg's raised this with the Brazilian govt?
Cero, Marcos Alejandro
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 question, in my opinion the ultimate question in the FI debate. No Argentine has been able to give me an answer as yet.
Tell me why the Falkland Islanders should agree to Argentine rule, instead than being an independent nation?
The point is without Britain in your sovereignty argument, you don't have a case. There is NO reason the FI cannot become an independent nation.
Look forward to your reply ...
3 Lord Ton (#)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prove that Resolution 2065 is dead.
Lord Ton forget (he plays the fool) that subsequent resolutions of the UN, even in 1982 established that the war did not alter in any way the position of the UN on the issue, which remains the Resolution 2065.
I loved the copy and past of UN resolution 2065 which Argentina thinks it can still proclaim as relevant, brilliant! Invade in 82' pretend in 12' that said resolution is still valid!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not to mention it is a NON-BINDING resolution that requests the nations negotiate which to explain to our Argentine friends is a request and not a order, not that it matters since its been defunct for a long time!
Also just when that isn't funny enough Argentina claims the principles of the UN WHICH APPLY TO EVERYONE, somehow don't apply to the Falkland Islanders when it comes to self determination.
You really couldn't make up this level of idiocy.
If Argentina wants to be taken seriously it needs to stop reneging on international law and it can start that process by paying its debts off starting with those in the USA.
@4 No such thing as the “British Royal Army”. More argie drivel.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Be careful. Our change in “stance” may be to stamp!
@37 Except argies!
@41 You wish!
@75 & 77 Welcome to the board. Now, piss off, argie sh*te.
@78 “valious”? We have a peaceful solution, dumbass. Stay away! “truthes”? There is no “malvinas-falkland cause” except in your tiny little mind.
@79 So you're a prick. What's the difference?
@82 Don't forget the argies want a nuclear submarine as well! Except that, despite their much-vaunted nuclear technical capability, they still have to buy technology from Russia.
Steave, Las Malvinas son Agentinas. That´s the reason.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain claimed the right to self-determination of the present inhabitants of the Malvinas, unaware that you were transplanted because of the British colonial decision.
FALKLAND ISLANDS GOVERNMENT - PRESS STATEMENT
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 028th March 2012
Nobel Peace Prize winners should not overlook the rights of the Falkland Islanders
We were very disappointed to see news of 6 Nobel Peace Prize winners urging the UK Government to open negotiations with Argentina over sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. As Falkland Islanders, we have no doubt as to our right to self-determination, and our sovereignty is not a matter that is up for discussion. As people who have won the Peace Prize for their work championing human rights, we would hope that they would consider the rights of the Falkland Islanders as paramount in this issue. We will be writing to each of the authors of the letter, explaining some of the issues that may have been overlooked or misunderstood, and encouraging them, as with all others, to come and visit us before reaching any conclusions.
Hon. Sharon Halford
Member of the Legislative Assembly
Cero,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like Perez Esquivel told to “Mr” Cameron:
...“By their statements seems to have lost the compass and sense of direction, but following his humor, I suggest you ask for help from Capital Sparrow, Pirates of the Caribbean and possessing mysterious compass that will set the course to see how far remaining islands in the South Atlantic.
It may also help James Cameron, director of Avatar, in his feature film science fiction war between good and evil villains colonialists seeking to appropriate what belongs to others at any cost, regardless of the consequences and village life invaded. This example can reflect the reality experienced by humankind subject to wars based on lies, as in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, together with the colonial enclaves in different parts of the world, hold hands with your allies.”
77 pirates are cool
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 Cero re-83 Steve
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for replying Cero.
Although you didn't give any reasons why the Falkland Islanders would choose Argentina over independence, you did mention a transplanted population.
What happened 100's of years ago is IRRELEVANT for an independent nation. i.e. Argentina is a transplanted population, but the world respects your right to self determination as an independent nation, as they would the Falkland Islands should they choose to be so.
The UN would welcome any move by FI to become an independent nation.
Independence would also be a permanent end to the sovereignty debate.
Do you disagree with anything I have stated, Cero?
@73 How does “The Falkland Islands are not the British Governments to negotiate away” fit in with “Any British Government could not possibly negotiate away The Falkland Islanders rights and survive in power”? Careful, your brain will be boiling over again with all this intellectual effort.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie pirates go home!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The General Declaration of 1960, which proclaimed the need to end colonialism, established two basic principles by which decolonization was to be achieved:
1) The principle of self-determination contained in paragraph 1, which stated that “All peoples have the right to self-determination,” and paragraph 5.
2) The principle of territorial integrity, expressed in paragraphs 4 and 6.
The applicability of these general rules to the specific case of the Malvinas, in particular, the rule of self-determination of paragraph 5 necessarily had to take account of the very special features of the British Colonial venture on the Islands.
These special characteristics proceeded from the fact that when Great Britain forcefully occupied the Malvinas in 1833, the population which then inhabited the Islands, rather than being allowed to remain under the “subjugation,” of the European power as had been the case with most other colonial experiences, was simply displaced, shipped back to Buenos Aires and no longer allowed to return there.
After this step had been accomplished, Britain undertook to transfer and implant its own population on the Island to carry out the colonial project, which from then onwards was developed without any Argentine participation whatsoever.
In this connection, it should be noted that the exclusion of Argentines from the Falkland Islands is in sharp contrast with the climate of complete civic freedom under which a substantial British community has prospered in Argentina.
In the course of the debates in the United Nations on the Malvinas (Falkland) question held in 1964, Great Britain invoked the principle o of self-determination and argued that it should be applied for the benefit of the British subjects which inhabited the Island and claimed that decolonization should be brought about in accordance with the “wishes” of those inhabitants ……
http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1518&context=iclr
Will continue…......
These deluded un noble fools should mind their own business,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or have they , to , been brain washed by CFK .
The British government should reply in a simple but peaceful way,
And just say [ N.U.T.S.]
It worked for the Americans
And it will help us, being ambushed by the [un noble deluded six ]
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( 95 )
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You talk about [ NUTS ] ?
You mean .....nuts.co.uk/ ?
If you wish you can add its ..www. ......
In this connection, it is difficult to envisage how the General Declaration could have been construed to benefit the same subjects of the colonial power who - whether they in fact knew it or not - had been the very instrument of the colonial venture through which British occupation and continuing presence on the Islands had been maintained in the face of Argentina's protests.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The wording of paragraph (1) of the General Declaration, as well as its entire philosophy, indeed suggests that a population subject to colonialism eligible for the exercise of a right of self-determination of the type which is here at issue should possess an identity and interests which can be separated or distinguished from the identity and interests of the colonizing power.
In this connection, the general belief and the very assertions of Great Britain that the Islanders wished, and still wish, to remain British is the best possible evidence that in this case there is a complete coincidence, if not an identity, of interests between them.
Under this rationale there is little wonder that the so-called “Kelpers” wish to remain British.
They “are” British and for this very reason the recognition of a right of self-determination for their benefit based upon a literal application of paragraph (5) to this very special form of colonialism
in which the candidates for exercising this right do not have a legitimacy relationship with the territory - would have done violence to the spirit of the General Declaration and defeated the very purposes of its enactment.
Furthermore, from the viewpoint of the sovereignty issue, the British assertion contained
the curious proposition that British subjects should be vested by the United Nations with supreme authority to decide, as umpires of final resort and in accordance with their own “wishes,” the ultimate outcome of the territorial dispute between England and Argentina…….
http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1518&context=iclr
#55 ”Henry Kissenger won a Nobel Peace Prize - after instigating Operation Condor (google it!) a CIA backed left wing extermination programme carried out by fascist military juntas across Latin America but most successfully in Argentina where 100,000 leftist youth were tortured, raped and dumped into the Atlantic Ocean - in the interests of ensuring American coporations kept their share of the South American market. FACT!”
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yest fact. And it was my Queen's comrades and friends who the Argentine Operation Condor killed, and she was one of the survivors. I think Cristina should get the Nobel Prize for her work against the junta and for peace and negotiations in the region =)
Anyhow........
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Six more nails in the British diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic......
@94 You're not typing whilst in your car.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is when Argentina invaded the islands the UN Security Council created resolution 502 which demanded that the Argentinians leave the islands, which they refused to do. They became and remain delinquent to the UN in their incapability of following demands by the UN or complying with resolutions that are binding.
The UN allowed the people of the falklands to enact Article 51 of the Charter which grants a people a right to self-defence against an alien and belligerent power. The UN was very clear about the fact that these people were defending their right to self-determination.
In principle the UN had already granted the peoples of the falklands self-determination in UNSCR 502/505.
The fact the argentinians think that they should be allowed to ignore the ICJ/ICA and the Security Council with no repercussions is just laughable. The fact they quote non-binding GA Resolutions from before the war is just laughable.
Add to this, the Argentinians are to all intents and purposes an implanted people.
These Le Camping people are just imbeciles, and likely to invade again.
Adolfo Pérez Esquivel was born in Buenos Aires to a Spanish fisherman who emigrated to Argentina.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this hero of Argentina is only a FIRST GENERATION citizen wanting to usurp the home of Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) who have been there for up to NINE generations.
This has to be the prize hypocrit of Argentina.
@88
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't bother with Mairead Maguire as she would be too expensive. Herself and Williams split the Nobel Peace Prize Money and BETRAYED the Peace People. She is anti Brit,US,Israel. Extreme Right Wing Political Views make her very unpopular in her own coutry Ireland.
( 100)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are trying to discuss with inappropriate persons here..
Brazil nuclearising the South american continent:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2009-06/why-does-brazil-need-nuclear-submarines
i wonder what the rest of S america thinks of that...what...no comment? how unusual....
TWIMC
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems clear that the South Atlantic war between GB and Argentina has not altered the basic legal status of this ever continuing dispute as defined by Resolutions 2065 of 1965; 3160 of1973 and 31/49 of 1976.
This proposition is confirmed by the General Assembly Resolution 37/9 of Nov. 9,1982 :
Having considered the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
Aware that the maintenance of colonial situations is incompatible with the United Nations ideal of universal peace
Recalling also Security Council resolutions 502 (1982) of 3 April 1982 and 505 (1982) of 26 May 1982
Taking into account the existence of a de facto cessation of hostilities in the South Atlantic and the expressed intention of the parties not to renew them
Reaffirming the need for the parties to take due account of the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) in accordance with the provisions of General Assembly resolutions 2065 and 3160
Reaffirming also the principles of the Charter of the United Nations on the non-use of force or the threat of force in international relations and the peaceful settlement of international disputes
1 Requests the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute relating to the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
2 Requests the Secretary-General, on the basis of the present resolution, to undertake a renewed mission of good offices in order to assist the parties in complying with the request made in paragraph 1 above and to take the necessary measures to that end
3 Requests the Secretary-General to submit a report to the General Assembly at its thirty eighth session on the progress made in the implementation of the present resolution
4 Decides to include in the provisional agenda of its thirty-eighth session the item entitled Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
101 ChrisR
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you are...?
@105
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be no negotiations unless the Falkland Islanders wish it. End of story.
Colonialism on the south american mainland - French Guyana:
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/south-america/french-guiana/
guys, don´t complain. you are the pirates thieves, a llorar a los caños
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie pirates go home!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jajaj, que ladrones de mierda.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go to UK!
nuts
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ah that’s better, Cadburys,
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You can never persuade an unbeliever, who is indoctrinated to except the truth,
Argentine will always be right, according to argentine logic law and history.
And besides is it not just anti British rhetoric, from a spoilt child with lots of plastic.
The only honour they have is amongst thieves.
The British Falklands will remain until the islanders say otherwise.
British shit. You invaded Argentina many times through the history, and we expelled you every time, except in the Malvinas. Váyanse a la puta que los parió.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@112
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of shite. RG Land didnt even exist in 1806, we fought spain. Youve never beaten us in a war yet man. Yet more made up shite from La Campora.
Desmond Mpilo Tutu
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has campaigned to fight, poverty, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia
So in reality he is backing the wrong horse is he not .
CFK should be his target.
112 Abril , you should not let your anti british hatred allude you the truth.
of course me existed, idiot! and that´s not your problem, uk should remain in the other continent. shit colonization, UK GO HOME, THIEVES
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I.Q's just drop sharply in the midday sun?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did commen sense Fly out the window in the breeze?
“Also, the UN Special Committee on Decolonization annually adopts a resolution which calls on both governments to consolidate the current process of dialogue and cooperation through the resumption of negotiations, in order to find, as soon as possible, a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute,”
May I quote dear Queen Elizabeth the 1st when she said to Sir Walter Raleigh “What the f**k are you talking about?”
So far as the English are concerned the talks are over. The only thing that is dragging this on is a bunch of whiny ars*d Argentinian's who won't / can't take “NO!” for an answer.
Tell you what, if one of those Nobel Peace prize winners can get the Argentinians to see sense and get it through to them that The Falklands will remain British until the islanders say otherwise, I will personally carry him around on my shoulders like he just saved mankind. I don't think that's going to happen though, do you?
@94 I say old chap, I don't think you'll win many converts by cutting and pasting an apologia for a failed war written in 1983 by an Argentinian lawyer with a vaguely Anglo name. Besides, at the time of publishing this work Boston was a very ant-British place because of the troubles in Northern Ireland so a reasonable man would have to question the editorial integrity and scrutiny applied to his submission.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now something else. This might come as a surprise but I would be grateful for your help. Try as I might I can't find anywhere a copy of UN A/5800 Rev1 Ch XXIII which you will instantly recognise as the relevant Ch of the Spec Ctte on the situation with regard to etc etc. Its a long time ago since the 19th and 20th GA but I know for you it is as but yesterday. Thanks in anticipation.
@97 @99 Think
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FI could be an independent nation if they choose, not a problem. The FIG know this, although they are happy as a BOT it is an option.
http://es.mercopress.com/2010/05/28/las-falklands-malvinas-muy-contentas-con-ser-britanicas-y-los-de-afuera-son-de-palo
'Think' the old article you quote, even backs this up, remember in this situation, the FI inhabitants would no longer be 'colonial British subjects' as you could argue, and would be 'a people' seeking to become an independent nation. Remember self determination is enshrined as a key principle of the UN...
The UN would welcome it 100%
http://es.mercopress.com/2010/05/28/las-falklands-malvinas-muy-contentas-con-ser-britanicas-y-los-de-afuera-son-de-palo
The 'UN decolonization committee' want to see the remaining BOT's (British Overseas Territories) i.e. Bermuda, Montserrat and the Falklands Islands. become independent and self governing nations.
(In my opinion with the exception of 'French Guiana' which ironically is not on the list, there are NO colonies left in the world.)
For the thinking man
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who knows all the answers lol.
Why?
Why is grass always green?
What holds up the sky?
Why is hair upon my head?
Why, oh why, oh why?
Why does rain go down, not up?
Why is salt in every sea?
Why is there a sun and moon?
Why is there only one me?
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The award of the Nobel peace prize does not award the winner with any kind of superior insight into politics in general. In the case of Jody Williams one wonders why she signed a paper so sought after by a state who was responsible for large-scale spreading of unmapped land mines in the Falklands. One can not recall a Nobel prize, but one can sometimes indeed wonder about the procedure for selecting and vetting of candidates.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0never did trust a man that looks like a zombie .
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i never trust the pirates brits
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@118 Think can speak for himself but at least one person regularly posting here believes he and I are the same person so here is my halfpenny worth. As far as Think and his compatriots are concerned, the Islanders cannot declare independence from Argentina because they are British and therefore already independent. They are therefore illegal aliens squatting on Argentine territory even if they declare full independence from Britain. Although they can regularise their presence in the Argentinian islands they must at some point assimilate. Like the Welsh-Argentinians in occupied Patagonia, only without the singing.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Abril,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wash out your filthy mouth & go back to Spain.
We don't need ignorant idiots like you in the South Atlantic.
you don´t belong to south atlantic, you´re just a thieve
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0dont be so rude.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is no need to insult
you would not like it if people insulted you.
be more polite
@125 Abril,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have to listen to briton.
don´t insult.
bridiots didn´t insult you.
they go directly to nuclear submarines and militarization of our islands malvinas.
please, be more polite
@125 Well the UK and the Falklands are in the Atlantic? Is Argentina? (answer: no)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@105 It has change the legal status through the principle of Uti Possidetis or “What you win, you keep”. That's how everything is decided in South America, and it's perfectly legal under the ICJ (Burkina-Faso v Mali). So... your claim was destroyed when you invaded the falklands.
Get over it, we all did a very long time ago.
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Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 129
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should look in a map before talking. those island are not close to Argentina.
Also that these 2 colonies exist, doesn´t mean it is ok colonization. the hypocrisy and the banana is all yours. Las Malvinas son Argentinas
@130
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no you have stated that we are a colonial power in the south atlantic and that our nuclear sub is seriously destabalising your region - which of course is complete horse shite.
I note however that Brazil has said little about this because they themselves are building a nuclear sub. also the French are saying ltitle on this issue hence eyes turn in their direction.
you turn a blind eye to what is going on in Brazil and French guyana yet you are all over the Uk like a rash.
If we are colonialist then so are the French. If we are destabalising the region with a nuclear sub then so is Brazil. It is this blatant hypocrisy that gives RG Land no credibility as well as the fact that you are thick as pig shit La Campora members.
Frankly I think you like being associated with a world power. It makes you feel good, as it should.
127 Cero
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0130 Abril
with you two, it is nothing but anti british,
@94 & 97 Copying and pasting a 29 year old opinion of a legal prat isn't clever. Pity your prat didn't start before 1833. 1690, or even 1765, would have been better.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98 What a pity they didn't get her. There's time yet!
@99 Coffins float. They may also contain nuclear weapons.
@105 General Assembly resolutions are NON-BINDING. Remember? Empty words.
@108 And you are genocides. Three times. Not bad going!
@110, 112 & 125 We left the mierda in argieland. Seems it's still there. No hables de tu madre mierda como esa. Anybody told you you're spanish? Un turd genocida colonialista imperialista.
@127
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil are building a nuclear sub, this is in an agreed no nuclear sub region. you have bleated on and on about this. when will Rg Land be speaking with Brazil about this militarisation which you claim seriously destabalises the region?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015731/Brazil-build-nuclear-submarines-dramatically-alter-balance-power-South-America.html
you couldnt give two fucks in reality about a nuclear sub in SA. all you care about is whinging like little girls about any and every issue possible.
Brazil is militarising South America. you know it, I know it and Brazil knows it. At least Brasil has the good grace to keep quiet and not be hypocritical about the issue.
not only that but if RG Land could build a nuclear sub you would do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015731/Brazil-build-nuclear-submarines-dramatically-alter-balance-power-South-America.html
you are a bunch of loud mouthed fucking hypocrites.
I'd just like to thank Abril for raising the level of intelligent discussion on this thread.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's added nothing but worthwhile content to this debate and will surely go far in politics should he wish to do so although I feel he will be better served as a rocket scientist since his head is clearly in the stars.
considering that we have done nothing to them, considering the islanders have done nothing to them,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0considering that we both just want to be friendly
WHY do they hate us so much,
but then, its like asking why thieves hate their victims so much,
especialy when they are trying to steal what is not theirs,
and the victims wont freely give it to them,
now we know why the wannaby thieves hate us so much,
sad,,,so sad ..
Argentina has a strong victim mentality which also as in all cases of such a mentality provides a great deal of insecurities.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These insecurities come from a distinct feeling of lack of power and are massively strengthened with the government propaganda and teaching the islands belong to Argentina in schools and then finally there was the '82 conflict in which the Argentina forces were severely embarrassed by a country that had to travel 8,000 miles to fight the aggressor and decisively won in the aggressors back yard.
The British are also viewed historically as world builders and world destroyers in equal measure depending on which part of the world you hail from and SA has a distinctly strong opinion on UK history and probably rightly so.
That is why the British are hated and then combined with the fact the UK seems to be having fun in diplomatic terms at Argentina's expense, generally ignoring Argentina and treating it as a insignificant foe Argentina has a rather understandable need to try to find ways to get even. Even if it means promoting washed up, wife beating drug addicted ex pop stars and other dictators of the same morale quality.
You really can't blame them.
briton,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't be so sad tontito. Actually we don't hate you, it's just we don't agree with colonization, specially when it happens in our lands. And no one is talking of stealing the island (in spite of you usurped it to us), please, read the letter again, and again until you'll understand.
@138
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then if you dont agree with colonisation why arent you laying into French guyana who are an overseas territory on the south american mainland. the Falklands are 1500 miles from buenos aires and 300 miles from the south american mainland. they arent even in south america.
you sir are a lying cunt.
#114 “Desmond Mpilo Tutu
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has campaigned to fight, poverty, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia
So in reality he is backing the wrong horse is he not .
CFK should be his target.”
I don't follow your logic, my Queen is also a campaigner against all these things.
#133 So the Thatcher lover also supports Galtieri's death squads. Can't say I'm surprised
@140
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye, the problem is that the Mad bitch doesnt campaign against corruption or nepotism. Lets face it the stupid cow is off the map.
Tell me do you have to pay to be a member of La Campora? If so are the subscriptions financed from the $2.4b that went missing from The National Argentine Crash All The Time Airlines?
Been to French Guyana lately that well known French colony on the south american mainland right next to Brazil? Had any dealings with the firms making the Brailian nuclear sub, which is against all of the treaties you lot have signed up to?
139
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to correct it to you,
the Guyana aren't Argentina, and we are not British trying to colonize something that is not theirs.
The Falklands are 300 km of Patagonia (Remember that Buenos Aires is only part of Argentina, the territory is much larger)
It is linked to the mainland by rising over the same continental shelf underwater, which is a base not greater than 170 meters deep Epicontinental known as Argentine Sea, beyond the continental slope begins, which sinks rapidly to over 1,000 meters depth.
The UK is at 8000 km away. much, right?
too much, a population that came from 8000 km away proclaiming that the islands belong to them
@141
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK mom is the one you paid to you for speaking so many stupid things
@142
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has absolutely fuckall to do whether French guyana is next to Rg Land or not. your complaint from The tin Man is that we are colonialists in south america (which we arent) and that we are nucleariusing South america (which we arent).
french guyana is a colonial outpost of the French therefore your complaint that the Uk is a colonialist is only right and proper if the French are too. they are even more so given that they are actually on your continent, right next to Brazil. Even then the Falklands are in the south Atlantic, you Rg's are in south america. hundreds of miles away from each other.
your assertion that we are nuclearising south america is false but if it was true then you would also have to take brazil to task as they are developing a nuclear submarine. This is in direct contravention of : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tlatelolco
even then as you can see we signed up to that treaty which de facto recognises us as a sovereign power in the region. We would not be asked to sing up to something that we had no juridiction over. the French signed it as did we.
you are, to put it simply, a bunch of fucking loud mouth hypocrites.
Now this isnt even about oil. what this is solely about, very clearly is a distraction from the dire state of your economy. It is bred into you from an early age a la 1984 so that the Falklands and everyone else in the world can be trotted out to blame for your own ineptitude.
RG Land is a dictatorship. It always has been and it always will be. As a dictatorship you respect nobody and fall out, arrogantly, with everyone.
Argentina is trouble. simple.
142 Cero “The UK is at 8000 km away. much, right?”
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually a“little” bit more, about 8000 miles away or about 13000km away, or we can say the Brutish are in la loma de los quinotos :-)
@145
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0How far is French Guyana from France? How far is Aruba from the Netherlands? In fact more to the point how far is Aruba from the South American coast?
As i said you are bunch of fucking loud mouth hypocrites who dont have a leg to stand on when it comes to this issue. You are all hot air, lie at every turn and every argument you put forward can be shot down utterly.
The Falklands are in the south Atlantic, a continent that separates south america from africa. you have no business in the south Atlantic and never have.
You can criticize Argentina all you want, but keep in mind that you live in Argentina, usurping the territory, under a British government. If you still don't realize how ridiculous your position is, if you have any complaint, you can write a letter to the Nobel Peace prize, or make a letter to all Latin America, or move to where they belong, UK. Dictatorship? The UK is a dictatorship to other countries, criminals!
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cestrian, you have no real business in SA, your business is actually in uk.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Breaking news!
Mar 29th, 2012 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to the Brutish “146 The Cestrian” Malvinas is not in South America HAHAHAHAHA
Instead of posting MercoStanley links in The Telegraph go back to school.
I thought you knew better! You- I- Timmerman and CFK - we all know the FACTS of 1833 - just that some in Argentina prefer to ignore the written records that exist in the Archives in Both Buenos Aires and London!!
Mar 29th, 2012 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The facts of course(backed up by Charles Darwin some years later and the old marriage record in Stanley of one English settler called Perry to a S.America lady who had been here since 1832, and the name on the grave in Stanley of the last of those settlers who died late 1860s
The facts that state that only the Buenos Aires River Plate Militia(Arg as we know it today did not exist then) and their dependents were expelled and forced to return to Buenos Aires. The civilan settlers were all told - you may leave - or stay, if you stay then you accept British rule and will be protected by it.
All stayed bar 2 couples- one Uruguyan and one Brazillian.
Those are the facts - and you know it. So the blood of some settlers from
Buenos Aires still runs in the veins of some Islanders today - and that blood wishes to have NOTHING to do with Argentina.
#146
Mar 29th, 2012 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr The Cestrian say :
“..The Falklands are in the south Atlantic, a continent that separates south america from africa.”
priceless.....a treasure.....a guiness record....
100% British
Marcos Alejandro @149.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0if the Falkand Islands are in South America whyt don't you walk there to demonstrate it?
yes Marcos....also try to walk from France to England.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody knows that UK is not Europe and Malvinas is not South America.....
:)
Faulconbridge, another Guiness record
152
Mar 29th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0My name is Marcos not Moses.
(150 ) Islander1
Mar 29th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes; President Cristina Fernandez, Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman and little humble me, Don Think, know better… ......
I don’t know however what you know………….
History is quite simple….:
In 1832 a bunch of armed Anglos (Yanks) destroyed the Argentinean settlement in Malvinas and expelled its inhabitants.
Argentina repopulated and reconstructed the Malvinas settlement as soon as it could.
One year later, in 1833, another bunch of armed Anglos (British, this time) arrived and dislodged the population again.
The archived records you refer to, show that 1/3 of those ~60 expelled Argentineans were women and children.
A few Argentinean colonists were “persuaded”, one could feel tempted to say “coerced”, to stay and work for the British by a lot of false promises.
This coercion became more than evident some months later when a few brave Argentinean men rebelled and killed the illegal British instaured management on the Islands.
PS:
Saying as you Islanders have been brainwashed to say:
”Argentina as we know it today did not exist then (1833)”
Is as stupid and futile as saying:
”USA as we know it today did not exist then (1833)”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_flag_24_stars.svg
@ 155 Yes, Yes, got all that. Now, please, can you help me track down that Chapter on the Special Situation that was so convincing at the 19th and 20th GAs?
Mar 29th, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@112 Abril
Mar 29th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So sad to see such spite, but of course your argument is weak and born out of desperation. No law supports you except those written into your own constitution. The UN does not support you, though you and your colleagues quote UN resolutions that were stated to prevent rhetoric escalating into conflict as it is clear that certain elements in your country are loose cannons. Last but not least your facts are poor, you should have been taught at school that British shit is the best in the world.
When will you grow up Abril, your cause is lost and invalid. But if you want to make a positive contribution to the Falklands Islands why not volunteer for clearing the Argentine mines on the islands, I'm sure Nobel winner and mine clearer Jody Williams would be glad to see your efforts.
@155 Think,
Mar 29th, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0l knew that you was/were a liar, Think, but you've excelled yourself this time.
Dr Goebbels would be proud of you.
1) There is NO SUCH PLACE as the malvinas.
The correct name is the Falkland lslands.
2) The “Argentines” were tresspassing on British land.
As you correctly pointed out:-
Argentina did not exist then.(actually surprised that you didn't say “peaceful Argentines”!)
3) These “peaceful Argentines” were engaged in Piracy.
They seized several American ships & their valuable cargo.
Why else do you think that the Americans became involved?
4) The British merely evicted/ejected the tresspassing garrison, who had murdered their own commanding officer.
Some of these “Argentine” heroes were hanged by their own government when they got back to BA.
5) First you say the inhabitants were expelled, then you say that they were forced to stay.
What was it Think? forced or expelled, you lying article.
You know why some of these “brave Argentine” men murdered some of the “management” as you so coyly put it.
they were being cheated in their wages by a private, not British company.
When another British ship turned up, they were paid in silver.
When you invaders arrived unannounced & unwanted in 1982, you were going to rename Stanley, Puerto Rivero or some such nonsense, after the murderer's leader.
When you finally found out the true facts(isn't that always the way, with you would be thieves?) Stanley was called Puerto Argentino!
Ridiculous name from a ridiculous comic opera people.
You're such a liar, Think.
92 Doddyboy
Mar 29th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where did I indicate any disagreement?
“Don't take any notice of Argentinian creeps pretending to be Brits, Icelanders, Swedes, Irish, Australians, New Zealanders and Brazilians. Any British Government could not possibly negotiate away The Falkland Islanders rights and survive in power”
So, which sub-section do you think you come under?
Take your time.
@159 British Government. You didn't. She said “can't” and you said “couldn't”.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0158 lsolde
Mar 29th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think that “Think” is going for Irony with his web-tag there. You know how parents normally call their offspring “Angel” or “Joy” when actually the kid is a little s**t?
Do you think that think chose “think” because he/she actually does no such thing at all?
Maybe he/she should go back to his/her Turnips...... about the only thing he/she is good at......
@142 Cero So, The Falkland Islands belong to Argentina because the 300 miles of ocean separating the islands from South America is only 170 metres deep?
Mar 29th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for that misunderstanding, we didn't know about the 170m deep rule. Obviously if the ocean is only 170m deep we'd better make arrangements to hand the Falklands over to Argentina and deport the Falkland Islanders as soon as possible.
@161 toooldtodieyoung,
Mar 29th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0l envision Think's real name as Hans or Lars or some other unimaginative Danish name.
Don't underestimate the poltroon.
He could be considered knowledgeable but he's retarded mentally by his malvinista dominated brain.
He's a real hypocrite & will lie, lie & lie rather than admit that he's wrong.
l used to think that he was a gentleman once, but no more.
Pretty certain that he's a he, although he could be a very cunning she.
Wouldn't put it past him/her.
Yes he loves those turnips.
Personally l can't stand the beastly things. lol
@162 Alexei,
They get sillier & sillier as time progresses.
Must be a real Alice-in-Wonderland scene over there!
“sentance first, verdict afterward”!
Nice to see peace leaders not getting involved in the big propaganda machine this powerful countries have for lying and confuse others and are claiming for talks. nothing less and nothing more.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0IT HURTS LIKE A BIT** when people like Desmund Tutu favours NEGOTIATION now with Argentina. Argentina scores again!!
Mar 29th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ argie sunshine Oh yes, how it hurts. Bishop Tutu, Malvinas Morrissey, Sean O'Penn, Fidel Castro, Ugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad etc.. great minds of our time. Shame we got rid of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi, I'm sure they'd be enthusiastic supporters of the malvinists cause too.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how you childish argies jump on anything for support, now mr tutu is your hero, who is next ,
Mar 29th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you guys need to grow up, and fully understand that retoric is just that, sabre rattling is just that, oh and talk, is just that,
their is one one way, you will ever get the british falklands, [and that word is tabboo] is it not,
great britain will never hand them over, and the falklands have no wish to go from a free democracy, to a dictatorship, and ammount of tutu;s or dresses will help you.
got it .
(163) Isolde
Mar 29th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's spelled “Sentence”, not “Sentance”...
Chuckle©
@163 Isolde I just checked, the English Channel is 180m deep at its deepest point. That's lucky, just 10m less and the British Isles would belong to France... well, according to Argentine 'logic'.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@168 It's called a typo. Never spotted one before? If I were to waste my time pointing out the poor english of most of the Argentine posters; I'd be here for all eternity. I think life's too short to be so petty. However, if that sort of thing floats your boat; you'd probably feel very at home at CIF, where you'll find many full-time semi-professional anally-retentive pedants. Post there, please :)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/
@169
Mar 29th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not? if the UK governs the Malvinas at 13,000 km away, why UK can not belong France? I´m going to propose it to them
Ken
Mar 29th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Think and his boss should be congratulated .Well done. This'll certainly get the PM thinking again.
Englander
Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. You might break your arm.
Ken
And you don't strain your little grey cells any harder or you'll give yourself a migraine.
Betty
The Falkland Islands are not the British Governments to negotiate away.
Ken
You are wrong on one count. The British Government could, if it wished, do just that if it ever thought it worth it's while. Rest assured, though, it won't and most certainly not during the lifetime of anyone reading this item........ the only hope of success for the Argentinian claim is to deny the islanders a say
Englander
Absolutely right Betty, Don't take any notice of Argentinian creeps pretending to be Brits, Icelanders, Swedes, Irish, Australians, New Zealanders and Brazilians. Any British Government could not possibly negotiate away The Falkland Islanders rights and survive in power.
Ken
How does “The Falkland Islands are not the British Governments to negotiate away” fit in with “Any British Government could not possibly negotiate away The Falkland Islanders rights and survive in power”? Careful, your brain will be boiling over again with all this intellectual effort
Englander
Where did I indicate any disagreement?
“Don't take any notice of Argentinian creeps pretending to be Brits, Icelanders, Swedes, Irish, Australians, New Zealanders and Brazilians. Any British Government could not possibly negotiate away The Falkland Islanders rights and survive in power” So, which sub-section do you think you come under?
Ken
You didn't. She said “can't” and you said “couldn't”.
Englander
If we are being pedantic Ken, Betty didn't actually use the word “cant”. Fact is that morally Betty is absolutely correct and our comments are not so different. Answer me this - Do you believe in the Falkland Islanders LEGAL right to self determination - YES or NO.
TWIMC
Mar 29th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The end of Poclintun is imminent…….
The wrath of God is hitting Jórvík with all his might....
http://www.pocklingtonpost.co.uk/news/drought-status-confirmed-for-parts-of-yorkshire-1-4392962
http://www.pocklingtonpost.co.uk/news/drought-status-confirmed-for-parts-of-yorkshire-1-4392962
Repent Pocklingtonians , repent………
Chuckle chuckle®
Barbie No. I believe that there is no legal right to self determination for a sub set of the British people, only a moral and political one. There does that help. Now be a good boy and ask mummy to tuck you up for the night because you've clearly had a very busy day.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@172 So go on, do you have sight of Ch23 of the Special Situation report or not?
at least we have petrol
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, Former British Defense Secretary Liam Fox scandal, The budget, horsegate, Cameron “dine with me scandal”, “don't panic but fill up just in case” and how to forget Pastygate :-)))
Mar 30th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Fuel strike: Don’t panic, form an orderly queue here”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fuel/9174835/Fuel-strike-Dont-panic-form-an-orderly-queue-here.html
(173) Cmd McDod
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to oblige your request but...........
What makes you think that I could succeed where you failed?
Anyhow, please provide precise info about what you are searching for.
One can only try ones best.............................
@168Think,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do l only get one chuckle?
Yes, Think, l made a spelling mistake.
l was just swooning, thinking of you, not keeping my mind on the job.
@169Alexei,
Think of the delicious coffee & creamy French cakes we could get, if we were part of France.!
But, no, we are outside of RG rules. lf its 170 metres, its 170 metres & thats that!
What a nation of illogical people.
@165 argentine sunshine,
What did you say?
Desmond Tutu is going to have negotiations with Argentina?
Oh well, have fun.
Although l cannot even imagine why he'd want to discuss anything with you losers♥
George Galloway elected with a landslide in Britain's most sensational ever by-election result:
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17549388
My King's share of the vote was as great as my Queen's =)
(178) British_Kirchnerist
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I look forward to hear more of Mr. Gallway's beautifull rrrolling “R's”.
(Rrrrocks in the South Atlantic, for example :-)
Well done George!
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0”They insist they are part of the British nation and the British nation has the right of self determination..IN BRITAIN!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRgRh6qjSs8
Don't get your hopes up too high, you pair.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's not the Prime Minister, yet!
@176
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may have access to stuff at work or in Spanish, I suppose. The document I've been looking for is referred to in 2065XX as Chapter XXIII of the Report of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation on Granting Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples. It was part of the Record at both the 19th and 20th GA. I'd be quite interested to read it and thought you might have been curious to read it too.
@180 Galloway is still a pratt. The result shows how much the 3 main parties in Britain have failed in their management and how they have lost our confidence. It is a protest vote.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Cero and abril:- we can claim your land if you can claim ours using a rather specious “continental shelf” argument. So what! In that case we own patagonia and demand that you all learn to speak English, drive on the left and accept British law. We will respect your culture, but if you don't like the changes we will make you have the freedom to leave and go home (Spain?). We also own Buenas Ares despite the fact you usurped the expeditions sent there in the 1800s in that case as well. This is based on the fact we sent more armed people to occupy your land than you sent ao occupy ours in the 1830s. I just thought you might like another set of numbers to fight over.
The only usurpers were your lot - the Spanish evicted one set of settlers in the 18th century and you tried to claim the place in the 19th, for some strange reason (oh wait- it was because we had a prior claim) HMG decided to say “I don't think so” and removed your garrison.
@175. YAAWWWWNNNNNN. We know. It has been in the news for about 2 weeks. Most people over here are just laughing at the stupid government panicing.
@165 We don't care what Tutu and co say or think. They're wasting their time and breath. We are'nt going to hand the islanders over to you because a group of Brit hating anti colonialists are trying to fight for a cause (decolonisation) that died on it's arse about 50 years ago. The only colonialists/imperialists here are you - trying to impose your will on the islanders. If tutu and his fellow pratts can't see that, then they are'nt worth listening to.
@183 The decolonisation cause was rather successful rather than dying on it's arse. However, elderly Brit hating anti colonialists I can agree with.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a hilarious letter when you consider that there isn't a single one of those signatories that isn't a snivelling hypocrite .. but still very important to note that NONE of them support the position of the Argentinian government in their claim for sovereignty.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dialogue does not mean dialogue about sovereignty - it simply means sitting down and talking in a civilised manner .. which of course it was Argentina, not the UK, which decided that such a forum was no longer appropriate without the wholly unreasonable precondition of negotiations about sovereignty.
If anyone in Argentina is drawing comfort from that letter, then they are seriously deluded and clueless.
the letter say's talk,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK says talk
and thats all they can do , is talk,
but the islands remain british,
183
Mar 30th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0retrograde colonialist
Those Six are no longer 'peacemongers,' and are now openly warmongering malvinazis. A refund to the Nobel Committee of all the hard currencies they received should be in order.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
188,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why did you say that they “are now openly warmongering malvinazis”?
TWIMC
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The wrath of God has been appeased by George Galloway’s victory at Bradford.
Jórvík with be spared.
Chuckle chuckle®
@190 Always good to see a Scot elected to represent an English constituency.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, in between bouts of your unending and doomed struggle for the right to self determination for the people of Pocklington, have you tracked down a copy of Ch XXII yet? I'm relying on you.
Nope...
Mar 30th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn...
Mar 30th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back to my favorite Scot...
Mar 30th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder this man got elected (again)…
He has a wonderful way of handling the turnips...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_exC-fkFRw&feature=related
George Galloway for Prime Minister!
Goerge Galloway about Malvinas...
Mar 30th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_exC-fkFRw&feature=related
Cero, this is the video of Galloway talking about Malvinas:
Mar 30th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6TFogCA21Y
George Galloway vs 4 callers on (and from) the Malvinas Islands ……..
Mar 30th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3lRBniTZo&feature=related
Quality radio…………
197 Think,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0excellent! thank you
Think,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lt only hardens our resolve.
“The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers”
Quote from Starwars!
We are not quite a starsystem! But the spirit is the same!
197 Think
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a masterpiece by the new elected George Galloway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3lRBniTZo&feature=related
Perhaps these six famous nobel peace prize winners should actualy go to the falkland islands and speak to the islanders. After all, they were occupied and lived through a war in which three of their people died. Then having spoken to those people who live there and who actually want peace, perhaps, just perhaps, thes six nobel peace prize winners, have the oral ground to know what they are talking about.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
@201
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0That should say, “Moral grounds.”
George Galloway, very, very honest!
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3lRBniTZo&feature=related
great video!
(199) Isolde
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t know much about “Star Wars” but I think I can spot the wee incongruity of your quote…..
You cry we are the Empire…
We know you are the Empire…
In short, it’s you who are the baddies...
May the Force be with you…
Wookiee-Think.., Chubut.., Argentina.
The people who inhabit the Falkland Islands have the opinions that count. Having a nobel peace prize hardly qualifies you for anything - I don't think anyone has worked out why Obama was awarded one.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I don't think the descendants of the transplanted colonist population, who murdered and stole from the indigenous inhabitants and made up the name “Argentina” for that stolen territory should have any right to self-determination.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The few remaining Mapuche, Kolla, Toba, Guaraní, Wichi, Diaguita-Calchaquí, Mocoví, Huarpe, Comechingón, Tehuelche, Quechua, Charrúa, Pilagá, Chané, Chorote and Selknam should get together and appeal to the United Nations to have their stolen lands returned.
Henceforth I shall refer to the stolen lands formerly known as “Argentina” by a more fitting title Mapucheland.
Viva Mapucheland!
Alexei, learn sth baby
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0there were here 22 indigenous populations.......that lived in many remote places, of difficult access. The indigenous obvioulsy were killed by the colonizators, spaniards them that came with P. de Mendoza, etc. because they fought against that invasion. Many others indigenous, were subjugated in misiones, for ex jesuíticas, because after all the spaniards came to steal, and know what, they needed people to work in the mines of Alto Perú, and guess what, the spaniards colonizators sent the indians there. They also used them to work the land, etc. MANY INDIGENOUS WERE SUBJUGATED AND MANY MIXED, MIXED in what we call mestizo, mulato, zambo, etc. IN BETWEEN 300 YEARS OF SUBJUGATION. THIS MIX WITH CRIOLLOS IS THE ONE THAT GOT INDEPENDENCE; TO RECOVER ITS LAND BACK AND SENT BACK SPANIARDS TO FROM WHERE THEY BELONGED; TO SPAIN. OUR LIBERATORS FOUGHT AGAINST SPANIARDS LIVING HERE.
LEARN tonton boy.
The colonised stolen territory named “Argentina” (Mapucheland) is composed of the homelands of not just the Mapuche people, but of many other dispossessed and genocided indigenous peoples.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fascinating stuff:
www.unpo.org/members/7895
www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter54/text-Fuego/ArchaeologicalSites/text-Fuegoarchaeo.htm
@207Alexei,
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The RGs look down on other South Americans as “lndios”
They are the whitest people in South America.
But when it suits them,
Well, they've ALL got native lndian blood!
How can you believe ANYTHING that they say?
As briton would say, answer: you cannot.
Think,
You're telling me you don't know much about StarWars?
Think, you have to get out more.
Think, we haven't got an empire.
Argentina would like to have an empire, but you're 150 years too late.
l was, as you well know, refering to Argentina as the “Empire”
We are a very small Star system.
l recommend that you watch the films.
Fantasy, but entertaining. lf you've ever watched the earlier Dr Who,
You will see that StarWars copied a lot from them. Enjoy, Thinkus.
Alexei, and?????????????''perhaps the problem you have you confuse Argentina with Buenos Aires..........and Argentina is much more than Bs As
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0go to www.interpatagonia.com and watch videos of mapuches (veranada mapuche, artesanos del telar, etc) in Patagonia.(turism videos)
“misiones jesuíticas” “misiones franciscanas” were places were spaniards used to subjugate indigenous and teach the language and to convert them to cristianism.
You say:
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” l was, as you well know, referring to Argentina as the “Empire”.
I say:
Silly me……............... I thought that it was You, the 65 million inhabitants of the UK's “EVIL EMPIRE” (BOT’s included) that possessed enough nuclear weapons to destroy our planet a couple of dozens of times…
Silly me…….............… I thought that it was You, the 65 million inhabitants of the UK's “EVIL EMPIRE” (BOT’s included) that had one of the most important financial centers on our Planet.
Silly me…….............… I thought that it was You, the 65 million inhabitants of the UK's “EVIL EMPIRE” (BOT’s included), the diamond spear head of NATO, the ones in the forefront on the recent invasions and killings in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya…..
All in the name of the “Force”.
But no, no, no…….
According to you, the baddies are Han, Chewbacca and Luke and their lovely but battered ”may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts” spacecraft, the Argentinean Falcon.
Silly, silly me………………
Maybe I should watch those films........
nope......
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0daft vader ...
@211 Malen It's Saturday night, it's been a busy week and I'm off to the pub. I hope you have a lovely weekend there in Mapucheland. Sincerely though, take care of yourselves, colonists and indigenous peoples alike, good will and best wishes to all :)
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was wollen wir trinken sieben Tage lang? Was wollen wir trinken so ein Durst ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHxEMJMpou4
@214 alexei,
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have a nice weekend in RG land!
@212Think,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0l really do not have a blessed clue for what you are talking about, my good man.
Bit early in the afternoon for you to be partaking of your whisky, isn't it?
To clarify your misconceptions:-
1) Argentina is the Empire(it would LIKE to be an empire).
2) To us, Argentina is an EVIL wouldbe, wannabe empire.
3) lf it came to war(it will)we would see ourselves a freedom fighters.
4) Can't really make it any clearer than that.
And no, no, no, you have introduced the StarWars cast as YOU see them.
l made no such claims.
But then, you RGs are good at “claiming” things which aren't so.
Like your ridiculous “claim” on our land.
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BTW, Dear Think.(don't think that you can get off the hook that easily)
lf you're REALLY interested, google:-
.455 Webley-Fosbery AUTOMATIC REVOLVER. (my capitals)
lnteresting ne c'est pas?
Not looking for an arguement on that weapon, just fyi.
Comments?
(216) lsolde
Apr 01st, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0To clarify your misconceptions:
1) Britain is the Evil Empire (What’s left of it).
2) To us (and many, many others around the World) Britain was and still is an Evil Empire.
3) It will NOT come to war. (Not down here, not for some Brrritish Squaterrrs on some Rrrocks)
4) Can't really make it any clearer than that.
Ps:
A charming but hopelessly antiquated British design that SEMI-AUTOMATIC (my capitals) Webley- Fosbery revolver ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8UmQCbZXVo
A bit like my old faithful, British green eloxed, Hardy Hardex No. I Mk. III, full bail arm, spinning reel.
@217 Think,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, you pretty it up as much as you like, Dear Think.
To us, Argentina is the evil empire.
lf you won't take us to court & you SAY that there will be no war, then l'd be very interested to know just how do you expect to conquer OUR lslands?
Talk us to death, maybe?
Once the oil starts flowing, there's no limit as what we can do.
Money talks.
We could cause a lot of trouble in Argentina if we tried.
Why do you have to repeat what l say?
Have no imagination at all, man?
Limited Think(ing)?
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That was the video that l found it on.
l didn't post it because it was in Japanese.
l called it by what the video said it was, eg. automatic.
l realise my squirmy think that its semi-automatic oh most supposedly knowledgable one.
No way of proving it of course but l doubt that you'd ever heard of it before.
Faker.
BTW, Dear Thinkus, didn't ask you before just that wouldbe macho DanyBerger.
The Colt revolving rifle
How would you classify it?
1) a rifle or
2) a revolver.
Hamberger never replied, of course.
Will you?
Yes the Nobel Peace Prize - from the man who invented Dynamite!
Apr 01st, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#217 Think, number 3) here is the key point I think (and all the better for the Galloway rrrocks reference!), and one the British nationalists on here will have to accept, with dissapointment I know for some (like Conqueror). My Queen hates war, and has dissavowed it. That she also wants to avoid any coup in Argentina itself is not an ulterior motive that she should be ashamed of, as some are suggesting. Funny really, the haters on here seem to be cheering on the (almost nonexistent) prospect of a coup but if it happened the Falklanders would have the most to lose if a new, aggressive, militarist government took power over the shallow water from them.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just one thing though, on the Star Wars analogy, I can't work out if Cristina is more Leia or Padme, I certainly see aspects of both in her, can anyone help me out? =)
(220) British_Kirchnerist
Apr 01st, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Definitively Padmé Amidala played by Natalie Portman.....
Here as young Mathilda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_MO9ZWnNZA&feature=related
And here as Evey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_MO9ZWnNZA&feature=related
Yes definitively her :-)
any person on planet earth that thinks that in the year 2012, that great britain is a evil empire/dictatorship/whatever.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is either deluded-indocrinated-brainwashed-or just plain uneducated.
their are no, evil empire in the world today.
pronto .
@Think & B_K,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have you two been smoking:-))))
@222 briton,
Yes there is, briton.
Argentina is the Evil Empire.(well they would like to be an empire! lol.lol
somehow l just don't think they have what it takes).
#221 V for Vendetta is a great anti-fascist film =) And Natalie Portman is so gorgeous, like Cristina =) Also Padme's wardrobe was reminiscent of my Queen's =)
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#222 America is the main evil empire now, Britain is just its mini-me. But I agree we're not a dictatorship - hence the possibility of a peaceful, democratic Bradford Spring =)
Their are no, evil empire in the world today,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But their are dictatorships,
And although the UN classifies Argentina as a democracy,
Their view of a democracy and CFK views of a democracy are two totally different things,
But in this day and age, and without commonsense or backbone, the toothless UN wont say so .
(224) British_Kirchnerist
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Juppp..... V for Vendetta is an OK film......
I did choose that specific scene because of the “diction” of the actors and the fireworks at the end………
Full of symbolism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50ECSfdrjA
I would like to dedicate it to the many brainwashed ignorant Chav posters in here that, whilst referring to us, Argentineans, as fascists, link to their “British Freedom Party” or “British National Party” sites when intending to “argument” for their bright ideas!
What a bunch of Turnips...........
like those who like the Malvinas belong to Argentina .. IF YOU WANT TO BE BRITISH? andate to EUROPE, the question is so simple ... or another solution would be a missile to the islands and the islanders die .. and inhabit the Argentine English total of europe wants to live on the islands of shit ...
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0vot VOT
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before 1810 the Falklands were part of the Spanish Empire and administratively depended on the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata from 1776. The Spanish commanders of the islands were named in Buenos Aires. After the May Revolution of 1810 our country inherited the possession of the Falklands, in fact, the Spanish commander then reported in Buenos Aires in the First National Government Board. Argentina took formal possession of the archipelago and governed, administered and populated mainly Falklands between 1810 and 1833 (23 years). In 1828 the Civil Governor of the Falklands was named Luis Maria Vernet. In January 1833 the pirates illegally usurped the islands (both countries were at war and had excellent diplomatic relations). Consider that in 1825 (8 years ago) England formally recognized the independence Argentina (through 2 Treaties signed that year) but made no claim or complaint tending to ignore the sovereignty of our country on the island (that was the right time). After arrival the news of robbery in 1833, the Government of the Commonwealth Argentina immediately summoned the British ambassador in Buenos Aires to protest this outrage, and also sent instructions to that effect to our ambassador in London to react the same way . Remember that Britain took advantage of our country was in the midst of a civil war at that time and could not open a 2nd front. For 179 years never ceased to GIVE BALLS Argentina (as you say) the issue of sovereignty over the Falklands. The fact that YOU do not know the history of our country does not mean you have the right to deny historical facts that did. I suggest you take a history book (better than many) and give it long and hard to read. PS: the British after the theft took to all the inhabitants Argentine Falklands in 1833, the islands were completely depopulated of civilians for several years until they came transplant mostly settlers from Scotland, and also prohibit the establishment Argentine citizens.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0more indocrination.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rather than go down that road, my friend
show us a copy of this document, that states clearly the words argentina will inherit our possesions including the falkland islands.
if not...
@229 eloo,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a collection of lies.
Have you ever considered writing fictional books, eloo?
You would be quite good at it.
You inherited nothing from Spain.
Spain did not even recognise Argentina until 1863.
The rest of your statement is just rambling nonsense that you were taught at school.
So sorry for you, but the Falklands are ours, not yours.
lts good to see that you call OUR lslands by their correct name.........the Falklands.
what a bunch of MENTAL comments in here...
Apr 04th, 2012 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina always said to be a threaten, an evil monster that wants to colonize another lands... while all Argentina is doing is claiming what it belongs to its Nation in a civilized way, in peace, with diplomacy through the international institutions that were created to solve problems avoiding wars.
Argentina has no army, Argentina doesn't want WAR and cannot afford one, but it seems Cameron can only win politic challenges with Argentina only on the battle field and always tries to take the conflict to aggression.
Argentina is one of the countries that is the more open to foreigners... the people living at the Malvinas would have even more rights if Argentina would practice its sovereignty on the islands. But it seems that it is profitable to lie to their own british citizens and show an aggressive and threatening Argentina, while the colonialist empire is the UK in here...
CAMERON = AGGRESSION
On the other side we have the UK, that wants all this to calm down and make the topic go back o the shadows because the light is not favorable to their imperial interests. It sounds like a cliché to call the UK an empire... but well... the conservative british groups haven't made the UK a very modern state, they haven't promoted new ways of developing their society, they keep grabbing resources of seized lands.
After IRAK and Afghanistan wars, after founding no mass destruction weapons... Shouldn't the British authorities in charge of Security and Defense do a little bit of self-criticism???
Some british people will be very ashamed when they discovered they have been acting and thinking and speaking influenced by lies that the TV and their Government gives them everyday.
@232 fermin,
Apr 04th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You stopped making any sense when you said that:-
“Argentina is doing is claiming what it belongs to its nation...blah blah”
The Falklands DO NOT belong to you.
l know thats what you're taught at school, but you've been taught lies.
Happy to clear this up for you. Gracias
Please join -
Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep the Falklands British -
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
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