MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
UK accuses Argentina of “rattling cages” regarding nuclear submarines in Falklands
Britain has denied sending a nuclear-armed submarine to the South Atlantic amid rising tensions with Argentina over the Falklands and accused Argentina of “rattling cages in any way they can”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMr Clegg say:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ .. the United Kingdom ratified the protocols to the treaty in 1969 ... which guarantees a nuclear weapons-free zone covering Latin America and the Caribbean.”
”We have respected those obligations since 1969 and we will continue to do so.“
Can LatAm trust in british word ?
They are honorbly people ?
France President Mitterrand have something to say.....
“..With her four nuclear submarines in the south Atlantic, she's threatening to unleash an atomic weapon against Argentina..”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/22/books.france
@1 they don't need to have submarines there to launch nukes if they needed to. don't be so stupid.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 Nick Clegg says two words, and now you are out of control!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's brilliant :)
Un poquito de dignidad maricona, si kerés llorar llorá jajaja
Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Rigoberta Manchú, Mairead Maguire, Desmon Tutu, Jody Williams and Shirin Ebady. THanks.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 Thanks for what?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0here's the full letter
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.adolfoperezesquivel.org/
not know how to keep lying! Cameron and Cruddas stop lying, please!!!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0... ”This call for dialogue and negotiation has also been made, through resolutions and declarations, by various international instances, regional and multilateral organisms, and international fora such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the Common Market of the South (MERCOSUR), the Latin American Integration Association (ALADI), the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR), the Central American Integration System (SICA), the South American Community of Nations, the Rio Group, the Bolivarian Alternative for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA), the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), Statements of Ibero-American Summits, South American Summits, the First South American Energy Summit, Summits of the Countries of Latin America and the Caribbean (CALC), the II South America – Africa Summit, Summits of South American and Arab Countries, Group of 77 and China, among others.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, we would like to recall that Latin America and the Caribbean is presently a region of peace and prosperity, while in the rest of the world, many regions suffer from wars that are seriously threatening world peace.
Failure by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to comply with United Nations’ Resolutions, the lack of willingness to talk with a democratic country (Argentina) whose commitment to peace has been clearly demonstrated, the installation, maintenance, and continuos reinforcing of a military base in this continent (the Malvinas Islands), and the undertaking of air and sea military maneuvers, are seriously threatening peace and harmony in this part of the world.
We therefore request that you review the British government’s position of refusing to dialogue on this matter, and that your government comply with United Nations Resolutions calling for the initiation of talks with the Republic of Argentina
@ 8 wow so you really believe the letter is important, don't you?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9. Every little 'elps :-)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly -
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“These eminent people however fail to note that United Nations Resolution 2065 was fully complied with after it was issued, but then stabbed in the back by Argentina’s invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982. Resolution 2065 is long dead. It would be better if Argentina’s Government reviewed its own position of blockading the Islanders, and complied fully with the UN’s Charter, and Resolution 2625.”
Actually, so_far @ 1, someone who said he was Mitterand's secret psychoanalyst said Mitterand said Thatcher said “..With her four nuclear submarines in the south Atlantic, she's threatening to unleash an atomic weapon against Argentina..”
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not a very reliable source.
As to whether there are weapons in the nuclear malvinas I have no doubt of its existence. In 1982 polaris submarine warheads transported without doubt, like Coventry and Sheffield which were subsequently sunk.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, marcio13, Polaris submarine warheads are transported in Polaris submarines. They'd be useless anywhere else. Neither Coventry nor Sheffield were Polaris submarines.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 14 when I talk about Coventry and Sheffield, it follows that I do not mean a submarine!!!!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 “nuclear malvinas”???? where is this crazy magical land? the Falklands have no nuclear power at all. They are building more renewable energy sources though.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0can i ask why you actually want them?
Cero - These six can write what they want (like you) but it will make no difference. What you going to do about it :-)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Clegg is correct, Argentina has rattled its cage but on the whole remains safetly contained in its own sh1t-filled stench of a coop.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 That letter helps about as much as Morrisey's support. These peace prize people don't seem to care one jot about the rampant corruption, sexual violence and poverty in Argentina, and instead choose to align themselves with the aggressive expansionist policies of a neo-fascist state.
Makes me care nothing for the peace prize. Thanks Norway.
Theses weapons systems can fire from thousand of miles away. Provide evidence or your accusations must be deemd as lies!! Wasnt the evidence given by Tinhead a picture from the Daily Mail!!! who had used the wrong picture. Nah surley they wouldnt be that stupid. Saying that the Argentine intelligence service must have credible evidence of how they detected an undetectable submarine!! Lies more lies from the Nazi Rgeime in BA.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well you can take the word of 6 Nobel laureates, or that of Nick Clegg, the most hated party leader in British politics, the man elected on a signed promise to abolish fees who instantly went into bed with the Tories and decided to triple them. You can back Mr Clegg, whose lack of principle is only matched by his disastrous lack of talent or achievement in politics, or you can back my Queen, the beautiful, glorious, radiant, delectable, courageous, chic, heroic, strong, wise, elegnt, majestic, adored, progressive, principled, successful and indispensible champion of the people, the glorious Reina Cristina. Your choice =)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8, we've had dialogue with Argentina and we have stated the UK's standpoint. We've had Argentine aggression and we've enforced our standpoint. We have made offers in the past, agreed but then rejected by the sulking bad boy that is Argentina (a constant Argentine trait it seems). We now see the kind of blockade that was last enforced by the Russians surrounding West Berlin in 1948-49, it is aggression against us and the islanders 10 times over.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see story after story in world press about how Argentina fails its international obligations, even with its closest neighbours, so we need to protect our citizens and our territory. You should not think the Falklands are yours, you should think, Britain is just 290 miles from your shores and it has been that way virtually since Britain landed, mapped and colonised it. Your own history of Falkands events is mythical and is in fact based on the premise that Spain purchased the island and buildings sold to them by the French. Your predecessors then tried to say to the UK, 'keep the buildings and islands but wipe our debts clean and you can have the Falklands'. UK responded with 'no thanks, they are ours anyway' ! all this happened around 200 years ago.
But back to the article...
The UK does not need to carry nukes into your neighbour just because you are belligerent, these are needed because of larger enemies on the world stage with nukes.
Shameful Argentine behaviour on all fronts.
Nick, of course they are rattling cages. however of course whilst people talk about the Falklands there is no talk of the RG's current dire economic performance = success for the RG Govt.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets not forget that Argentina is all but bust. the regime is a vile, horrendous cabal of corrupt and rude officials who has no respect for human rights and certainly couldnt give two fucks about anyone else.
they get support of people whilst insulting them. i think that people's hatred for the UK is more than their obligation to point out the RG's disastrous govt.
I can only assume that, not for the first time, other people and country are very, very envious of Great Britain. who wouldnt be given our history, culture and legacy we have given the world such as democracy, rule of law, football, rugby, tennis, cricket, civilised behaviour - the list goes on and on and on.
I think it's highly amusing that Argentina is trying to push the UK into a conflict whilst pretending to be interested in peace. Only someone as retarded as CFK could possibly believe that to be an effective strategy.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0If any of these Argentinian simpletons really understood how submarine warfare actually works they'd underststand the fact the UK really wouldn't put its submarines into an area where they can potentially be detected.
Also the missile range of the submarines means the missiles could be fired into Argentina whilst the submarine is docked in the UK.
@23
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0She definitely wants war to deflect people from rampant corruption and bankruptcy. At the minute the UK isnt biting and hopefully she will commit some cardinal sin that merely justifies bombing the RG mainland.
My take on it is that the UK is sitting quietly, biding its time, waiting for something to happen and then it will act decisively and with maximum force.
I'm hopeful that the RG's may send their navy out to harrass boats or send planes out to try out our air defences, only next time the boats will be sunk and the planes will be downed.
Lets remember though what this is all about - deflection from the real issue which is RG corruption and financial incompetence leading to the implosion of their economy which as we know is up shit creek.
When you are held in a cage then the only way of communicating is to rattle it. Like going to a bear zoo in China this is.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly.
The economy must be in one helluva state and as it gets worse the RG's rhetoric against the rest of the world - Poles, Americans, British, Uruguayans, Peruvians et al just gets worse.
RG Land is one angry girl and blaming it on everyone but themselves.
Maybe if The botox queen emptys her own bank account with the ill gotten gains from the labour of her countrymen then the country may be assisted. however she will plunder more and more whilst at the same time blaming anyone and everyone whilst the RG's sit idly by scared of La Campora and her internal security apparatus.
what a shocking situation.
'@ 14 when I talk about Coventry and Sheffield, it follows that I do not mean a submarine!!!!'
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Marcio @15, if you don't think they were submarines, what did you mean by 'polaris submarine warheads transported without doubt, like Coventry and Sheffield'?
Remember this is all about economic incompetence. I doubt that INDEC, staffed by members of La Campora, has any idea whatsoever of what industrial output is, what the true inflation rate is etc.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 Faulconbridge,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must know by now that Marcos is as loony as any of the stupid malvinistas.
l did, once think that he had a bit of sense but now l realise that it's not so.
l think that he spends his time trawling the net, looking for any past British misdeeds.
Of course he will find them.
You can find them about any country.
But l think that it is the height of hypocracy, coming from Argentina & looking for “evils”from any other country.
Poltroons.
@29 Not only is he in Maximo's Le Camping, he also refuses to answer any direct questions about subjects like 'why argentina owns south georgia?' and 'where as all the plane money gone?' and 'why is their chief economist in a tracksuit?'. Marcos, Tobias et al are just lost causes. However, British Kirchnerist is simply a troll and a fun one at that.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 I'd have to agree with you about Nick Clegg. Did a complete turn around on just about every policy that was in their manifesto for the election. Then they have the bile to say that it's a necessary evil.
Greekyoghurt you seem to be the most sensible person on this site so could you answer a quick off topic question? How did KFC insult the Polish? I've a Polish workmate that was giving out stink about her. Oh an to all the Malvinistas out there the Falklands are British get over it.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Russia and Argentina have signed their third nuclear energy cooperation agreement after 1990, 2008 agreements,covering the possible construction of Russian designed nuclear reactors and the development of fuel cycle facilities in Argentina.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0#13
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As someone who has lived with nuclear weapons on his doorstep for 50 years the following may be of of interest.
When the USA had its polaris fleet in the Holy Loch, the missiles were loaded onto the submarine from the moored depot ship. It is a skilled process requiring still water conditions. I have watched this being done.
At the RN base at Faslane, the same process is carried out from a jetty, not out in the rolling sea. Again I have witnessed this taking place.
As to the movement of the ballistic missile submarines of the Vanguard class, I had a conversation with a retired RN electrician who had served aboard these vessels. He said that the patrol area was known only to the Captain and navigating officer and, once, when working in the chart room, he saw the navigation details. To his surprise, he found that the boat had been sailing in square about 300 miles of the coast of Scotland for the whole of its mission ! As it has been said ad nauseum, the missile subs stay thousands of miles from their designated targets. They work in the N.Atlantic where every bit of the sea has been charted and explored.
Why would they need to go into the S.Atlantic ? The hunter/killer subs go where they are likely to be needed. Again they do not carry nukes and their main function is to hunt other ballistic missile subs. and surface vessels.
I think Mr. Timerman “is a sandwich short of a picnic”
Look Muppets we don't have to have a sub sitting off the coast of any South American country to unleash hell we can do it from quite a distance away from your country's and as they drop killing millions of people and we can do it again and again until nothing is left including every living person in those country's along with all living animals.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, the only people who are advocating that we are willing to do this are the stupid paranoid psychotic idiots that Argentina continually spawns to deflect the troubles that they continually get their country in.
To say that this bunch of paranoid psychotic idiots are a sandwich short of a picnic is putting it mildly, if they resided in any other country other than the bankrupt vile Nazi regime of Argentina the men in white coats would have come long ago and put the buffoons in straitjackets and locked them up and given the most strongest medication on offer to try and somehow get them to better although I somehow think that would be impossible .
32 McClick
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol the Argentines can't even run their own economy without multiple collapses and defaults. The idea that they could construct a nuclear reactor is extremely worrying!
Having said that I seem to remember them being listed as a nuclear power at one time. What happened to their nuclear bombs? Do they still have them? How many treaties did they sign? Sounds like a case for international investigation. This could be the opportunity to press for one.
Wake up Argentina, where have you been...we are in the 21st century just in case you were not better informed? There is no need to send Nuclear Bomber Subs anywhere near you guys. It is not required as the balistic abilities of modern and even older generation missiles can be launched from the River Thames and still have enough whoomph to get as far as you fools. Not that will ever happen anyway, whats the point? You still do not see the reason why we have a Nuclear deterent...its to prevent others with the capability from launching an attack as the retaliation would be the end of the world as we know it, pointless as it seems, it has worked (so far) in keepng us all alive. The only subs we will have or may not have near you are 'nuclear powered' hunter killers patrolling the oceans to keep your rusty hulks in port and away from the islands. Now shutupa your face!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Pity. Where's the Malvinas Islands? Don't have any place called that. UN GA resolutions are NON-BINDING. Why mention them? All those other little tinpot organisations you mention? We're not members. Irrelevant! Have you got valid statements from the Klingon Empire and the Vulcan High Command?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 I've written to a couple of your Nobel Laureates to see whether they have a clue about the facts or realise what they've signed. Let's wait and see how they reply, eh? By the way, regarding Reina Cristina, I'd rather stick my arm in a bucket of sh*te!
@32 So?
1: Britain, USA, Russia, and France all have nuclear powered and nuclear armed submarines patrolling international waters, including the South Atlantic.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 02: Argentina has no jurisdiction over any foreign vessels in South Atlantic International Waters.
Why is Argentina only bleating about imagined British subs and not the others? Argentina's relatively successful neighbour, Brazil is developing a nuclear sub, ostensibly to 'protect its natural resources', presumably from the machinations of Gringo? Or the voracious Chinese? Anybody's guess really.
@31 there could be any number of reasons why KFC is seen by Polish people to be offensive. The fact she's quite probably begotten of nazis is one possible reason. The way the polish population of Argentina are treated by their ruling nazi class is another reason. The final reason might be her need to have a celebration about the start of her country's quest for lebensraum, which not only being offensive to falklanders, is offensive to any sentient being.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 I think timmerman's knowledge of global affairs on the whole is very naive. He seems to not get any regard amongst ambassadorial staff from other countries and is seen to be a bit of a joke.
Dear Argentina
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Trident II nuclear ICBM range - 7000 miles
London - Buenos Aires - 6900 miles
Why do you think we'd deploy a submarine half way up Río de la Plata?
Anyway, stop worrying, my paranoid hysterical little friends, nobody has any intention of nuking you. We would never do that, Thatcher's gone, so calm down.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/361d9v
Falkland Islands: Argentina's dissenters
Mar 28th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17271430
17 Beef
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, if you have any questions, you can contact a Nobel Peace Prize winner. Surely you can trust him more than a pirate.
Looks like no one gives a rats fuck about the RG's venting their spleen over the oil issue on the BOT that is the Falklands;
Mar 28th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/2012/03/28/shares/news-and-analysis/all-eyes-on-falklands-oil-again-WuGdn6ilI2tfdNtCskarIP/article.html
all steam ahead is seems. Looking for ward to the oil starting to flow. Perhaps we can export some of it to Rg Land - at a premium of course - if they have any money to buy any that is. LOL.
@43 The UK press seems more concerned about Mr. Murdoch's seemingly long list of nefarious activities than some mullet wearing no-ballses in south america.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed Greek. Of course it was Murdoch's criminal Sun that celebrated the sinking of the Belgrano with “Gotcha” and are the biggest supporters of the British state on the Falklands even today. And its my beautiful Queen who has actually taken on the child-snatching Argentine Murdochsof Clarin.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You brits have completely lost it. Tell any third party to read your comments. On 2nd thought, don't. You may be put down on the spot. A few lucky ones may get the blue-rubber room and the key melted.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Quite right! “Gotcha” showed little imagination. “BOOM. Glug, glug, glug” would have been MUCH better.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Lost what? Falkland Islands, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands still British. And ever more will be so! As for things being put down and/or melted, please figure what a lot of us have in mind for you. Just as a thought, there's a story running on the cesspit of South America in a British national newspaper today. Quite amazing how many Brits are in favour of using nukes on the cesspit!
Which is why crazy nations like the UK should never have had nukes. Remember you are the only ones who actually ever used one! Shame, shame forever in your history. :)
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0utter rubish
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only nations that should NEVER have nukes,
are those with deluded little dictators at its head,
the truth is, and try to deny it,
if argentina had nukes today, or CFK got hold of nukes,
the world would either be dead, or dying of radiation,
and your deluded leader would almost certainly have used it,
and you deluided war mongers [its always you lot]
would support her, all the way to hell
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just an explosive thought .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlCkqNCQuk8
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just fake footage surely.
@48
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what arwe you fuckinjg talking about man. It was the Yanks who used it.
Seriously can these RG's lie straight in bed on a night? they tell more lies thaN TOM pEPPER. THEY LITERALLY SAY ANYTHING TO TRY AND MAKE A POINT WITHOUT ENGAGING THEIR TINY BRAINS.
fuckoff you morons.
You really must question the sanity of anyone who can't tell the difference between the USA and the UK.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth telling troll seems to be the troll and not a good one at that.
“Under the 1943 Quebec Agreement with the United Kingdom, the United States had agreed that nuclear weapons would not be used against another country without mutual consent”
Mar 28th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guilty, guilty, guilty. BTW, I'm not saying it was a completely random, unprovoked use, but regardless, the UK is fully responsible for the TWO nukes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Agreement
Unless you guys are ready to argue the UK does not honor agreements.
You Fools!
...and yet Another Victory of reason, logic, and intellect, brought to you by the TTT™ (all rights reserved).
Till la proxima fools!
48 Truth_Telling_Troll----Hey Muppet, America is three thousand miles away from out tiny island but don't let that little bit of information get in the way of the truth hey troll. The only country to drop a couple of bombs that were Nuclear in anger were from your continent way up North. But I have now doubt the second country that would go ballistic with a nuke would be Argentina if it ever got its hands on one.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard this old and tired argument many times before by Argentine posters.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Posted as his own but in reality recycled nonsense.
The argument is guilty by association which is a theory with no evidence backing it.
Heck, don't knock this argument down Xect. That is how every solitary British poster justifies their racism and insults towards us (and why I was turned to the “dark” side).
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Difference being it is you Brits who have no evidence to call all argies racist, while my posting is completely accurate and historical. Facts are facts, sorry. :)
The argentine obsession with the British nation is somewhat odd is it not?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The obsession of the British by some Argies bloggers are hilarious is it not .
As telling the truth, is in fact a truthful liar is it not lol.
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There are no facts to what you posted TTT, not one, it's a theory at best and at worst pure conjecture. Since when has the US asked the UK for permission?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not going to comment on the racism thing either way Tobias, anyway you didn't stay away for long after announcing your final post a few days back!
:)
53 Truth_Telling_Troll
Mar 28th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who are you? What kind of stupido are you? Britain has NEVER used nuclear weapons. In 1982 they could have destroyed ALL of Argentina but they did not because they are too weak. They live by treaties and rules! Only country to use nuclear bomb was America in WW2. They are a macho nation like us, prepared to level all people to stone age.
In Argentina we know that rules and treaties are for idots. Our president tells us, forget about economy, we must concentrate on Malvinas and this we know makes sense because we use our macho strangth on the British. We will frighten them into surendering our islands to us by repeating millions of times that they are ours and we can find at least a dozen famous peoples who agree with us.
If we had nuclear bomb, we would drop it on Malvinas to eradicate pirate population and know full well that British will not respond because they is gay.
We are macho, we do not care for facts. We know we will beat British with rhetoric. Do not laugh at us we are straong.
Ha ha ha, im gob smacked, flippo actually defending the British in part,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well well well,
I am gob smacked, but I must disagree on one little fact, and that’s// we will beat British with rhetoric,tut tut .
But
. Do not laugh at us we are strong,
Unbelievable, come back Popeye .
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Sorry, you can't destroy all of Argentina with 200 nukes. That only would cover at best (and only if all your nukes were Tsar Bombas, which are impractical for any real conflict due to their load), an area of total destruction of 6,000 square kilometers (30 square km of “significant” destruction, even for the Tsar Bomba at 50 megatons).
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is nearly 3 million square kilometers.
Try again, because that is weak.
Is it National Talk Out of Your Arse Day today in Argentina? The level of general idiocy today is extraordinary, even by the usual laughable Malvinists standards.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@62 Le Camping are clearly diverting their time away from grooming on the internet, in order to spend more time making ignorant comments here.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50TTT,
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln part you are correct.
We cannot blame the Americans & sit back, smugly.
The bombs were dropped by the “Allies” & we were one of the Allies.
And by 1945 Argentina was an “Ally” too.
Although you would have had very little to do with le Bombe.
TTT, do you know the alternative?
ln 1945 the Japanese had an Army still of over 2 million men.
They refused to surrender.
lt has been estimated that to invade Japan, the Allies could lose up to 1 million men & the war go on until 1947 or 1948.
Horrible as it was to use nuclear weapons, l think that the Allies took the only course open to them.
IT HAD TO BE DONE. and it WORKED.
Perversly it actually saved a lot of lives.
We would have had to kill all the Japanese defenders, no doubt civilians would be caught in the crossfire, the country completely gutted & of course our own soldiers.
At least 2 million people.
What would you have done, TTT?
TTT?
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps argentina should take the hint.
Argentina was not part of the allies, it never declared war on anyone:
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Formal_Declarations_of_War_during_World_War_II
I see all nations of Latin America but Argentina.
And btw, what did it get them from the US/UK that they joined your “cause” of keeping imperialism alive (as the alternative to facism)? What gratitude was shown by you that they stuck their necks for you?
Argentina did right in staying out of WWII, we weren't threatened or attacked by anyone. Going off to fight for your countries (allied or axis?). Riiight....
tut tut
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0imperialism alive (as the alternative to facism,
[you prefer facism then, nice to know]
What gratitude was shown by you that they stuck their necks for you?
[and how did argentina stick its neck out for us]
all you guys did was double turncoat and helped the germans go to argentina .
we weren't threatened or attacked by anyone.
and you aint now,, but you are still claiming the victim,,,,are you not .
Well, those were the facts then weren't day? Fascism in a world dominated by Hitler, Hiroito, and Mussolini, or keeping imperialism of the UK/French imperialism in India, Africa, Asia, and the new American Imperialism from their war spoils. Beautiful world that was back then...
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina was supposed to fight for that? Remember this was before Peron, Argentina was surprisingly liberitarian back them, quite capitalistic and a country where people immigrated to get a clean slate. It was a different philosophy than today.
I was asking what did the Brazilians, Chileans, Mexicans, Peruvians get for joining your war?? To you it was a war for survival, so what did they get in return??
Double turncoat? We were never allies with the UK get it? We weren't allies with the Germans or Italians either, so I guess we turncoated them too since we sold lots of raw materials to you during that war.
@53 Still didn't manage to kill as many as you have!
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56 Tried reading your constitution?
@59 You're right. We can smell you from here, you're that strong!
@61 Don't have to. Start with Buenos Aires. Then the other major hovel groupings.
@66 Quote “the United States requested all of South America to join the Allied Nations, in order to generate a continent-wide resistance. Castillo was finally deposed by the Revolution of '43, a new military coup that wanted to end the electoral fraud of the last decade. Argentina declared war to the Axis Powers a month before the end of World War II in Europe.” Yeah, you just gave refuge to all the nazi war criminals.
@68 Of course you wouldn't fight. All argies are cowards. You declared war as part of the Pan American Union, but you didn't do anything. Just sat there welcoming nazi war criminals and learning from them.
Well, declaring war under the umbrella of a Pan-American meeting, a month before the war was over, is not exactly obeying American requests, now is it.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, no one here has ever told me for what reason(s) Argentina had any duty to fight in World War II, in 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, or 1945 except the month of April.
We weren't attacked, we weren't bombed, we weren't in any alliance, we weren't tricked into joining, there was no fighting in South America. So under what pretext would that been?
I won't wait for an answer because no one has the balls to say there aren't any real reasons we should have.
#59 Either you are a British troll, which I suspect, or you are a fascist idiot, nobody serious would think a post like that could help Argentina. And I'm confident that my beautiful and peaceful Queen would be the last world leader to use nukes, face it she is stronger than the “macho” dictators of old, as shown by her having sent them to jail, and her humanitarianism will prove more effective than the aggressive posturing you either are parodying or actually displaying
Mar 28th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71 British_Kirchnerist.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think that both of you are Trolls.
Filippo is definitely British, not too sure about you though.
20 British_Kirchnerist
Mar 29th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have news for you , im from the south west and labour here got smashed to bits in the last election. What people like you seem to forget . Not all working class vote labour. Why because they cant stand left wing or their unions who seem to only strike when labour
As per usual people like you , no doubt a left winger , seem to think it would be also right for Gordon brown to rustle up a rainbow alliance of parties from wales , scotland and ireland who have their own assemblies in their regions and then have the audacity to dictate terms to the majority in England. Without England having
of course the left would love to break up England with regional assemblies rather then one parliament , because its their only aim is to break up England either throught that process or by flooding the country with immigrants. Either way suits them. Well sonny jim, we have cottoned onto that and labour did very badly in England as a whole in terms of no of votes. South west cant stand labour which is why it does so badly in the south west.
Like to see what your pathetic excuses will be when the pro EU parties get smashed to bits in England at the next european elections like they did last time. ie 3rd and 4th .
So i dont need a lecture from you or the left re fair
and point of fact it was Labour through the use of its scottish mps, pushed through Tuition fees in England. Oh did you notice that not one UNION striked as a response . Why because the left are hypocrites .
Obvious troll is obvious.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0btw the british should do the following
Mar 29th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) cancel the 540 Million aid that goes to argentina from british tax payers through international aid.
2) ban all argentinans working or coming to UK including students
3) ban all argentine aircraft from british airports and argentine ships from british ports
In England we are laughing at your pathetic threats
@75 If Argentina continues with its aggression there could well be a Europe wide ban on all Argentine ships and planes entering European ports and airports.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sooner the better, we think .
Mar 29th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My question left unanswered what a shock.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then they call us cowards for staying out of WWII. Coward is avoiding a blantant question like @70.
@78 One answer, perhaps. To join with the original United Nations in defeating fascism. That said, Spain, Italy and Germany were the Argentinian metropoli so I suppose loyalty and brotherhood would have been compromised.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#73 I've got news for you too, right wing New Labour (which I don't support) looks likely to be “smashed to bits” to use your language, this very night in the Bradford West by-election, from the left - by none other than George Galloway =) Will keep people on here informed of course, will be great to see him standing up to the colonialists in Parliament again if he wins =)
Mar 29th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0crap, you can take galloway [cough][cough]
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and choke on him.
splat .
Hope he goes down in a screaming heap.
Mar 29th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George Galloway is a complete wackjob.
Far from going down Isolde (and I thought you liked him) George has been elected with a landslide in Britain's most sensational ever by-election result:
Mar 30th, 2012 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17549388
My King's share of the vote was as great as my Queen's =)
Since this thread is about Clegg its worth noting his party of spineless crooks lost their deposit. Good times in British politics
@83 B_K,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0l never said that l liked him.
l did say that he was right about lraq. l still say that. Events have proved that.
l never supported that “war” in the first place.
The same as Afghanistan, bring our boys & girls home.
(the very idea of sending women to Afghanistan is even more ludicrous than sending young men).
l said that his accent was soporific, like Arabic.
l had a sneaking admiration for him when he ripped it up the US Senate.
l was neutral on the man until he started his uninformed ravings about the Falklands.
l think that he is a rebel without a cause, just anti-establishment.
lf the British government decided to hand these lslands to Argentina, dear George Galloway, would be out in the lslanders defence.
lt might be just a game to him but does he realise that the Argentines just lap up this type of drivel?
Does he realise the damage that he does? Probably not.
So, B_K, l have nothing but contempt for him now.
#82 Nothing to write hme
Mar 30th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0If scotland go independant which i hope it does , as a south west englishman , i know , happily, that an English Parliament will be predominately Tory and f it was under a proportional system it will be Tory/Ukip.
Like to see labour and Liberals excuse , especially labour who are suppose to be doing well mid term, what their excuses will be at the European elections in England, when Labour come a distant 3rd behind Tories and Ukip.
But Isolde its really not ill-informed ravings, GG, an anti-war leader par execellance who did not oppose the 1982 war because he was against the aggression of the junta, recognises as does most of the world that Argentina has changed. Furthermore he is calling for shared sovereignty now, to save Britain from being booted out completely later. One thing he is not is a rebel without a cause, though your right about one thing - if the government was treating the islanders unjustly he would defend you, just like anyone else; surely thats a reason to like him?
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@86 B_K,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can l like him when he wants to deliver me to my enemies?
People who continually insult & harrass us.
People who, only a short time ago, murdered at least 30,000 of their own citizens.
People who have openly called for our expulsion.
People who continually lie & twist the truth to support their own agenda.
People who have absolutely NO RIGHTS in these lslands at all.
l do not really know what drives George Galloway, but l'd like to see him come to the Falklands & explain to the Falklanders why 9th generation lslanders have no rights, but 2nd & 3rd generation Argentines have.
He'd need a bodyguard.
Getting right to the guts of the matter, the land does NOT belong to Argentina, it NEVER has & God willing, it NEVER will.
They have NO moral, historical or legal rights here, but somehow have convinced themselves that they have.
l don't care if Argentina has changed or not.
They can quite easily change back.
We completely reject shared soverignty. lts just NOT ON.
You said you are a Scot.
Are you prepared to “sit down & negotiate” your sovereignty with for example Norway.
Wouldn't you like “shared sovereignty”
lf not, why not? You want us to do it & Norway is just accross the sea from you.
Britain will not be booted out by Argentina, thats for sure.
l didn't say he would defend us if we were being treated unjustly.
l said if the British govt wanted to give us to Argentina, then on his past actions of rebellion he would be on our side, no matter.
l would like to hear his reasons for siding with Argentina.
You may like him as much as you like, l donot.
he is but one single man, in over 600 MPs, he will have no power, just like mr bell, another indipendent,
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0they have no power,,
mind you at this rate, niether will labour,
So TinPotMan bitch slapped back into his pram by calamity Clegg no less.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol and lol
Mr. Galloway is treated as an entertaining self seeking celebrity in the UK.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was voted in by a mainly Muslim electorate who feel disenfranchised by the main political parties - as do a great deal of the UK population.
Yes, he advocates a deal with ARGENTINA but this topic is very low on the political agenda. He has one vote and is the only MP in his party.
I'm afraid that this is what you get in a democracy. I would imagine the bulk of the UK population would agree with his views on Iraq and also to bring our troops back from Afghanistan. To be honest, most of us have no interest in either country. With the Falklands the feeling is different.
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
Not surprising Dhimmi Galloway, recently elected in the Islamic Republic of Bradford joins the rest of the Malvinist Muppets.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's the idiot genuflecting before his hero Saddam Hussein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIy_GmvUElE
#88 Yes he's one of over 600 MPs...yet his majority over ALL his opponents COMBINED is equal to the ENTIRE population of the Falklands, his majority over his nearest rival (which is the usual definition of majority in UK Parliament elections as George's absolute over 50% of the vote is exceptional - a bit like Cristina's) is well over 3 times the population of the Falklands. Food for thought, no?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93 B_K,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your figures have no relevance.
lt is not up to you or GG to sit in judgement on us.
l am sure that delivering the Falklands to Argentina was not one of GG's election promises & if it was then it is not the business of recent immigrants or of yours to commit to.
And of course, he doesn't live here.
l'm sure the both of you would feel warm & fuzzy inside if you ever got your way.
Do you realise that with the thoughts that you two have; we regard you as traitors?
A traitor is one of the lowest forms of life, down with the pedophiles & serial killers.
l would rate an Argentine enemy way higher than a British traitor.
You want to ruin our lives to make you feel good.
Utterly contemptible.
re 93
Apr 01st, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well the left wing have always sought in uk to break up England in any way it can either by lying about immigration (remember the Labour not many will come remark only 10s of thousands) - ie Demography changes , or by fiddlng the elctoral system to be biased to the left. They countenanced scots and welsh referendums (since they are left wing generally_ , but for England only wanted English regional assemblies not an English Parliament. Knowing Labour would be irrelevant in England without the Scotttish Welsh and Labour Mps
to force through change.
Since the British have sacrificed British forces to defend the Falklands, Hell we freee over before Its taken by the The argentinian (spanish occupiers of Inca Land).
Two can play at the argentinian game. They will be a lot worse off if uk bans any trade with UK, since we import more then we export. Ban all their ships and planes and people from British ports, and those of any supporting their ban against the BRITISH FALKLAND Islands.
The reason I brought up the figures, and the population of the Falklands, was to put a sense of perspective into this discussion. Of course if even one British national is agressed against, killed, robbed, or kidnaped by a foreign power, then some response is of course part of the legitimate duty of the state, and for that reason George did not campaign against the 1982 war, unlike, I think, every other war that Britain has gone to in his lfetime. However the argument that 3,000 people have the “right” to “self determination” over a vast oilfield, to either become a new Kuwait or Dubai with every man womann and child a multimillionaire without havingto do a day's work, or, more likely, to siphon the proceeds 8,000 miles eastwards to the old empire and its ruling elite, either way while the continent the oil is actually in is recovering under progressive leadership from 300 years of direct genocidal colonialism and 200 years of US interference on behalf of the rich to keep the poor poor, well thats just not going to wash with the rest of the world
Apr 01st, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are completly missing the whole point, like all bad argies or anyone else,
Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact is this, and you either agree or disagree,
do people have a right to choose who rules them
do people who have lived on an island for over 150 years have the right to choose who rules them.
do we live in a democracy or a dictatorship,
in a democracy the people of the falklands, or anywhere else, that have lived peacefully for over 150 years has a right to choose who rules them.
a dictatorship, decides who rules you,
the islanders have freely and demorcraticly voted to remain british, [democracy]
argentina refuses this , and demands that they must be ruled by argentina [against their free will]
this is dictatorship
,,,,,,,,,,,,
you decide,
@96B_K,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The oil is a late-comer as you well know.
Even without oil, what gives a belligerent nation, who has no moral, legal or justifiable right to impose their will on another people?
(and steal their land?).
Especially a nation with such a horrendous human rights record as Argentina.
They have never owned these lslands despite all the lies that they spout.
They DO NOT own them now.
l asked you as a Scot, would you consent to signing away the sovereignty of Scotland to a foreign power.
You have not replied. Well, would you? lf not, why not?
You expect us to do it.
That makes you a hypocrite. Do as l say, not as l do.
Whether there is oil here or not has no bearing on our situation at all.
Argentina still has NO RIGHTS here.
lf there is oil, well & good. So what if it makes us all rich?
Thats OUR business & certainly NOTHING to do with a rogue state like Argentina.
Actually l hope there is heaps of oil, mainly to get up their nose & annoy them.
The oil is NOT, as you erroneously pointed out in “their” continent of South America.
lt is in the South Atlantic where Argentina's writ doesn't run.
We will sell the oil to who we like & its got SFA to do with you or anyone else.
Do l detect quite a bit of jealousy on your part that we MAY be all multi-billionaires? ho ho ho. l 'ope zo!
lts got nothing to do with us if successive SA governments keep their people poor & its certainly NOT our fault.
Finally, my lovesick lothario, Argentina could have shared in the wealth, but your harridan's husband tore up the treaty when he couldn't get his own greedy way!
Now they get nothing.
How very Argentine.
But that makes no different to B.K as his queen can do no wrong, perhaps he should watch that little film going arround,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#98
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said before, G.G. is treated as a joke in Scotland. His nickname was “Georgeous George” He probably has some fans in the country but so had the Monster Raving Loony Party. He will do almost anything for publicity - see him on Big Brother. He can't stand being ignored. His views do not and will not represent the bulk of opinion in Scotland or the UK. B-K is trying to wind you up - ignore it.
@100 I prefer “Dhimmi G” :)
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@100 Clyde15,
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally l think that B_K is a troll.
l don't mind that.
Unfortunately trolls like him do great damage as the Argentines lap up the drivel that they come out with.
Being great liars themselves, the Argentines will believe anything & say anything if it helps their rotten cause.
Yes you are right, best ignored
Please join -
Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep the Falklands British -
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
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