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Argentina blasted at WTO for its trade-restrictive measures and lack of transparency
Argentina received a barrage of criticism at the World Trade Organization on Friday where the United States, European Union, Japan and 10 other countries accused it of tying imports up in red tape. They also requested Argentina provide a detailed written explanation of why in its view “these measures and practices are consistent with WTO rules”. Read full article
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Mar 30th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then the world wants us to like them?
imminent ejection from WTO is imminent.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And how would that hurt Argentina? Would an ejection not mean that CFK can do as she pleases with trade even more than she is now? lol!
Mar 30th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is what happens when you fuck with the UK. You RG's were warned that we would cripple you economically. Even your South american neighbours are seething with you.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to face it that you are rapidly running out of friends. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and Syria could be all you have left - chortle, chortle.
FURG.
@3 What happens? well you get north-koreaed.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 it's, Venezuela, ArGentina, Iran, and North Korea >> VAG INK
no one of any note either supports the RG's or are prepared to do anything meaningful about the Falklands because they know that the RG's are a set of corrupt crackpots. The WTO members are serious people who have lots of influence in the world.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are friends of the UK because we play by the international rules - The RG's dont.
Rule number 1 in the world - abide by the rules, they are there for everyone, without exception.
rule number 2 - dont fuck with other nations money or they will squeeze you and can be seriously bad for your wealth (term used loosely as far as the RG's are concerned).
FURG.
@1. In the same way the world likes America and the EU for making a joke out of the WTO (tailor made for and by them) where they continue to use their weight to block changes to address the agricultural sector and continue to protect it by spending billions of dollars in “legal” subsidies.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And then the world wants us to like them?”.
No one gives a fuck man. You're an arrogant and corrupt set of looney's. This delusion you have of yourselves is similar to Nazi Germany.
@7
This time the joke is on the RG's. Argentina will now have the pissed ripped out of it big time for getting above its station and place in the world.
Rule number 3 - dont pick on the big boys or they will, one way or another, give you a slap.
@7 If you don't care, then why not just leave the WTO? Makes it a lot easier than being kicked out.
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Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8. “dont pick on the big boys or they will, one way or another, give you a slap.”
Mar 30th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well at least someone here has de decency to admit that world trade is anything but fair.
the “big boys” have been picking on the developing world for decades. read up on the intentions of the several WTO rounds - with special emphasis on the Uruguay round - and the actual rules that were implemented to accommodate the “big boy's” agricultural agenda in detriment of the developing world.
Ah yes more of the typical Argentine victim card.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean its not the fact Argentina is in breach of the WTO rules or is proving its against free trade whilst wanting to maintain its G20 status.
Its all of those nasty countries around the world in a unanimous vote against Argentina practices picking on poor Argentina and nothing to do with it flouting international agreements yet again.
Finally Xect is getting the picture.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if Argentina abided by international rules, all those countries would stick screw us or try to screw us, since they have no honor when dealing with us and never had in 100 years.
Things do not happen in a vacuum...
@13
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fuckoff man. Your self pitying is sickening.
You think that you can act with impunity and that no one will do anything about it. As you have seen people are now sick of your corrupt, arrogant, lying, two faced, hypocritical third world banana republic dictatorship.
This is what you get when you pass control of a country into the hands of terrorists and groups like La Campora.
Fuck you.
@12. Of course its a victim. the cotton industry in the US is a lie. And the examples are endless.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in any case Argentina has - not surprisingly - just released a statement via the foreign affairs ministry in this manner:
“Argentina is alarmed at the insistence of countries that raise trade barriers to hinder artificial income from agro-industrial products of developing countries while exercising political pressure to force these countries to receive the production of goods their domestic markets can not absorb since the economic situation in 2008 and are the real obstacles to building a more balanced multilateral economic system. ”
obvious is obvious except to those who don't want to see it.
And we are sick of you man.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys are nothing. Get it? No matter what you say, you will be dead one day. You are not a God, you are not a master Race, you are nothing but dust with water. And one day dust you will again be.
Come down to Earth. Eventually you will anyhow voluntarily or not.
We should leave it. It will be painful for some years, but we have the resources to be self-substained. Anyway, it's not like material things are the most important thing. No economic crisis for big it could be will take me away my friends or my family. And those are the only ones that matter at the end.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is alarmed at the insistence of countries that raise artificial trade barriers to hinder income from agro-industrial products of developing countries while exercising political pressure to force these countries to receive the production of goods their domestic markets can not absorb since the economic situation in 2008 and are the real obstacles to building a more balanced multilateral economic system. ”
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0corrected the official reply of Argentina to the WTO. small mistake in the first line.
@13 Your comment has no truth in it at all - if you abide by the rules you would be left alone for example if you abide by the law you do not get arrested, but if you break the law you get arressted and sent to jail. Breaking international trade laws and rules imposed by the worlds trade body that polices international trade laws (which makes trading fair for all countries) then your going to be punished for it, like you would be sent to jail if you broke the law.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To think you can break international trade laws and claim your being bullied when the other nations who are the real victims to your breaches of trade law is nothing but arrogance and in all honestly shows just how completely pathetic your country is. Plus it shows how you live up to your name “cry babies”!.
I actually support the right of Argentina to manage its own affairs although clearly Argentina is now incompatible with the WTO and should leave before it is embarrassingly expelled.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm against these super bodies that dictate a countries affairs. The EU is one of the worst attempting to manage other countries laws, trade and politics from Brussels. The UK does well to keep it at arms length and avoiding the euro.
@ 15 @16 @17
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are set of arrogant tossers.
You seriously believe that you can do what you want, when you want to whoever you want and people will turn a blind eye. Argentina politically is a pygmy, your government ministers utterances are a farce and it is you who cannot or will not see the wood from the trees.
Whilst you may well have the resources to be self sustaining the painfully obvious thing that people are beginning too see is that you are utterly incapable of developing them.
You are lazy, corrupt, dishonest, delusional, arrogant and extremely dangerous.
Your neighbours have told you that you are harming their economies yet you arrogantly do absolutely nothing about it. You do nothing about it because you are all but bust as everyone knows and the WTO is now turning the screws on you.
You should never, ever have once more played the Falklands card to deflect from your internal woes. You have been sussed and the world is a much more savvy place than it was in 1982.
You have never had a legal claim on the Falklands, you dont, and you never will. The Falklanders will never ever voluntarily choose to be a part of Argentina before being aligned with the UK. they are not fucking thick like you RG's are.
Argentina has reverted to type - a dictatorship.
Fuck you.
I agree, we should leave the WTO, and the UN. Most argentines agree. The country will be rallied in the face of blanant agression.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0more on Argentina's official statement:
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is curious that the initiative has been raised by countries that have increased their exports to Argentina by 25 percent exceeding its average level of exports to the world and in a year in which Argentina was the country that most increased its imports among G20 members, thus contributing to the economic recovery of countries in economic and financial crisis.”
”The Government (of Argentina) will continue to exercise the sovereign decision of its trade policies that have driven the greatest economic growth in our history and in compliance with the rules of the World Trade Organization but reject any foreign interference.”
@ 1 what happens, peronista? where are your usual long and boring comments? hahaha
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 15 Oh, the world is wrong and Cristina is right. The world is bad, really bad, the world doesn't understand that Cristina is the Queen of the world. The world treats Cristina really bad, poor Cristina :(
@ 11 “the “big boys” have been picking on the developing world for decades.” I don't see the big boys talking about Brazil, but Argentina. Brazil is a developing country, isn't it?
@ 16 Between yesterday and today you have come down to earth, how does it feel? Does you b*tt hurt? :)
@ 17 Oh, don't give up so easily, Malvinista, Cristina is your queen, remember? She's fighting for justice and truth. Save El Modelo, come on! :)
Cómo me gusta ver esto. Vamos peronistas, expliquenlé al mundo El Modelo. Manden a Moreno, “Acá no se vota” :)
@23
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“that have driven the greatest economic growth in our history”,
....according to INDEC the most laughed at economic forum on Planet Earth. Everyone else knows that the figures are made up and that the whole reason for limiting imports is because the country is fucking well bust!
”and in compliance with the rules of the World Trade Organization but reject any foreign interference.”
Anyone know what that fucking well means? They are being told that they are not acting in accordance with the rules of the WTO - thats the whole point of the fucking WTO statement, thick cunts, and yet they still wont have it.
Basically this is Argentina sticking two fingers up at the rest of the world and showing once more what a fucking retarded basket case it is.
This is the beginning of the end for Argentina and the beginning of the end for this utterly corrupt, ridiculous, inept and ridiculed regime.
The Botox Queen was never ever meant to be President of anything bar her own ego and its now clearly obvious that diplomatically, politically and economically she and her cronies are simply out of their depth.
@23 and the evidence to back that up is where, oh how about comparison to pre 2008 trade with argentina too, you maybe surprised to learn that current trade levels are much lower than they were pre 2008.
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Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The WTO may well be neither fair nor perfect, and the British and Spanish may well be sharpening their knives, these things notwithstanding you still have to go some to upset this many countries so badly, while mercosur partners stand in silent agreement with Argentina’s accusers.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course TinPotMan could take the opportunity to address the WTO and complain about British militarization of the S Atlantic, and press them to support Argentina’s claims to British territories the S Atlantic.
“but reject any foreign interference.”
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the hell does that mean?
They are a member of the WTO, they are a member of the G20. do they mean by ”rejecting foreign interference2 that once more they are happy to be a member of the WTO and G20 as long as they dont have to play by the rules?
Its like the UN, they sign up to people's rights of “self determination” by signing the UN charter then as soon as it doesnt fucking well suit them they basically forget about it.
What a thoroughly untrustworthy nation.
The party is over and it is going to end in a whimper not a bang.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would love to know what is going on in CFK's head right about now, at best she is paranoid schizophrenic so she must be absolutely frantic careening from one loony idea to the next mumbling incoherently.
I told you months ago this was going to be fun to watch.
Viral, spread the word: Rally next friday April 6th across all argentine cities to repudiate the aggression of the nations of the world against a country that has never engaged in a single act of antagonism against almost all of them. Time to rally the nation regardless of ideology or dissaproval of the government, and show the world we will fight them and their undemocratic interference in internal Argentine affairs through international bodies that have no jurisdiction over our sovereingty.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 031. See just like that! hahaha
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 27 Se te fueron los humos ya, eh? qué pachó? Ya no sos el malito de siempre :) Van a aprender una buena lección de convivencia ustedes los malvinistas. Vos dale tiempo al tiempo pibazo.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS: Preparate para el dos de abril, así escuchás a tu reina y su dulce voz :)
“The critics described Argentina's policy as “unbefitting any WTO member” and “particularly troubling” because they limit the growth-enhancing prospects for trade. They demanded Argentina immediately take steps to reverse its policies or risk further action at the WTO.” tic tac tic tac tic tac :)
@31
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle, chuckle. What a load of absolute shite. Argentina, with not a pot to piss in will stand against the world. Just who the hell do you people think you are?
“against a country that has never engaged in a single act of antagonism against almost all of them”.
Seriously, are you people fucking delusional. there is a list as long as your fucking arm of antagonistic acts against other nations perpetrated by your nation, including the very thing that the WTO is pissed off with you about - limiting imports and directly pissing on your supposed friends such as Paraguay, Uruguay, chile and others.
then there is the invasion of the Falklands.
You fuckers are delusional, self pitying and you have literally no self respect.
Your continent is by and large the same and you simply cannot get over the “gringos” and the “colonialist” who have advanced the world, not always for good but invariably so.
Hold rallies against every country in the world next week and you will be utterly laughed at.
You simply dont get it.
@39 we both along with others have been warning them for months, probably well over a year now. But hey where not argentines just people that know international law, how international diplomacy works, know economics like the back off our hands.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But atlast, where not argentine so that means we know nothing according to those argentines on here, though a few argentines that have a brain of there own like xbox, and Xect have heeded our warnings, sadly for them they are being let down by the idiot countrymen who think they all have IQ's equal to Albert Einsteins IQ, when infact, my pet gerbil has more IQ than the idiot argentines here have. And no my gerbil hasn't worked out how to use a toilet yet, but does enjoy going into the little model post office building i made for him lol.
It's funny all these foreigners criticize Argentina, but never actually tell us what they would like to see Argentina do.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know what they want: our utter destruction and annihilation as a race. Nothing short of that will satisfy them. They are just pissed we are going down with a fight, because I admit we can't fight the world and win, but at least history will record we pushed back and drew a line in the sand.
@35
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines on-line are giving their country a very bad name and their government is even worse. There simply has to be some Argentines who can see through all of this crap and are face palming themselves even now.
There has to be people in Argentina who have some sort of self respect and can see what is going on here.
They have a self destruct button and they are pressing it and it seems to me it is because they are simply incapable of seeing things from anyone else's perspective or admitting that they are wrong.
This is fucking madness.
I miss Think and OGara...funny how with all of this bad news and hard facts regarding the imploding economy they have disappeared.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe his coffin is all sealed up with all the nails in it? Chuckle chuckle
I hate to say I told you so....oh no wait I LOVE IT!
@36 - Are you deluded “but never actually tell us what they would like to see Argentina do.” What part of the WTO statement about wanting to see argentina obey by WTO rules did not compute in your arrogant little mind?
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Going down with a fight you say? Sorry but but your a joke, one swift push out of WTO and your fucked, not only that you have nothing to fight with or use against us to hold us back from pushing you out of the WTO or any other international arena.
@39 and now you know why we want nothing to do with you, meaning the rest of the world. You think you are superior to us. Fine, but we don't like people who think they are superior. Argentina is the only country on Earth calling you all in public for it, the EU, US,China, Russia, Latin America, Israel, we are calling you out on your arrogance and you don't like it. Too bad.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Destroy us go ahead. We are going down because we fought the world, the outcome is to be expected but our defiance is singulary and history will never take that away from us.
@36
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you started to cry after posting that.
What the rest of the world wants is for Argentina to stop bullying people and start abiding by its international commitments at the WTO, G20 and UN. This includes things like the right of self determination to all people's of the world.
as for crossing a line; you have pushed it and pushed it and as some of us predicted you were always going to step over that line. you have now done it.
Leave the Falklands alone.
It really is very simple but you simply cant do it.
@36. Spot on mate.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And when uruguay dares complain about Argentina's decisions with regard to trade they all flood this forum with “bullies!, tyrants!, thugs!, and what not. In fact they would all cheer if uruguay took protective measures against Argentina.
But we never hear those words when it comes to Argentina not being able to - as CFK put it - ”enter a single lemon” to the US market.
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Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can't do that because “abiding by international commitments” is codeword for “disarm, get naked, grab this metal post”. It means we are not allowed to defend ourselves with good weapons, it means we should surrender our farming sector to criminal subsidies, that we should allow our industry to be flooded by cheap goods made with slave labor, that we allow our intellectuals to be poached, in other words, complete surrender to you. That is what the WTO, UN, and all your countries from Europe to North America to South America want of us. You want us prostrate at your feet.
Never. I'd rather die standing up.
@44
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of utter shite.
This is typical of you RG's. Your posturing and rhetoric is frankly pitiful, but thats all you have. what you effectively want to do is have it all your own way. you wish to rob, lie, cheat and backstab to your hearts content, in open view and expect support for your stance.
You pick on the little people of the world such as Chile, Paraguay, the Falklands, Uruguay and think you are so macho. Yet as soon as anyone calls your bluff you posture, huff, puff and play the victim card.
Youre like the lad in the school yard who bullies everyone, finally picks on the wrong person and you get dumped on your arse. you then run to the Police or your Mammy squeeling about how unfair everything is and how nobody likes you and how they are all out to get you.
This is what immature children do.
Nice dodge of the facts there, Cestrian. You know full well what I said is true.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina cannot compete with your farming subsidies that you put hundred of billions into, with your industrial slave labor of shipping jobs to Asia, with your companies instead of fomenting science in Argentina simply poaching our graduates by forcing them to work in another country.
That is the true meaning of “abidding international commitments”. You have the nerve to call us cheaters when you in the north know nothing but to cheat and have done it for decades.
@45. He is absolutely right.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't see the US or the UK get any sort of embargoes when they unilaterally and against the recommendations of the UN decided to invade a sovereign nation.
Yet when any other country outside of their little circle “behaves badly” they are quick schedule a meeting and impose all sorts of embargoes and restrictions. And if their little group doesn't agree they are not concerned. They do it regardless and expect the rest of the world to shut up. Ask Cuba.
@46 @47
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had stopped harassing the Falklands and you had not put in place those import restrictions no one would have batted an eyelid.
However you crossed the line because you are arrogant people and think that you can get away with what you want.
However you have picked on the wrong people. you dont pick on the most powerful nations on Planet Earth and get away with it. Put simple thats just the way the world works.
Keep out of the way of the US, UK/EU and you'll be fine, a blind eye will be turned. Piss them off and this is what happens.
I bet the rest of south america is pissing themselves laughing at you right now.
@45
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. Wrong. What we do is viveza criolla. We are lazy, we want to take advantadge of every possible situation even in dishonest ways. When we see we can't we complain.
I wouldn't change this way of doing things because in many ways I like it even as I hate it in others. And if they really had to choose people will do either.
We aren't picking on you moron, we are calling you out which is different. That's the point, you turn a blind eye to your cheating, and then when someone calls you for it you claim to be the victim! LOL
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48. If you haven't noticed, Argentina has not even blinked at this accusation. Slowly but surely it is “keeping out of the way” of the US and the UK. We are concerned about what China or Brazil say or do. Not an economic bloc in crisis and a country with trillions of dollars in debt recovering from one.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if you have not noticed either, the accusation came as a result because quite suddenly, the US and the EU now suddenly care about what is happening beyond their little circle of recessive friends. They would stop at nothing now to guarantee their last penny to dig themselves out of their shit and following that to try and retain the status quo in world trade and political affairs.
Guess who will be lending money to Argentina next. The World Bank? Nope. The IMF? Nope. The BRICS bank? Bingo!
@49
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we know this is what you do. You are thoroughly dishonest people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla
@51
No one will lend you money because they know they wont get it back. You would have tried it before now if you could.
@52
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you change a base stone of your culture just because it's bad for business? I wouldn't. Culture wins every time.
@36 Truth_Telling_Troll
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Going to “fight them on the beaches” are you!
@51 Troneas
“Who will be lending money to Argentina next”
Err, no one in the foreseeable future.
@53
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that your country is a fucking basket case.
It is an impoverished third world banana republic. but you know that and i know that. This is because you are thoroughly dishonest. your nationalism is used, as you know, as a tool, to keep your country in check when the going gets tough.
Your culture has got you nowhere. You remain a basket case and thats the way you will always be perceived.
As we know if you got a hold of the Falklands you would ethnically cleanse it and within a year the whole place would be trashed. It would be a slum.
What makes me laugh is these agentine muppets here are comparing the subsidize argicultural sector here in the EU with their trade restrictions on goods. Just because the EU farming industry is subsidizes it does not place restrictions on trade of agricultral products, in fact, trade on agricultural products have no restrictions at all. Where as argentina openly bans imports and exports of goods, we here in the EU and UK do not. We import thousands of tonnes of agricultural products and produce from around the world in the UK alone and export such goods to many nations throughout the world too. So how does subsidizes farming industry in the EU restrict imports and exports like argentina is doing? It doesn't it encourages the industry to produce more which increases exports.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0and to back up my point in post #56 - http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/june/tradoc_129093.pdf
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/june/tradoc_129093.pdf
Read and weep because i just killed your pathetic argument stone dead. And for the record the EU accounts for up to 20% of the worlds import and exports of agricultural goods making it the largest in the world on agricultral products alone and not only that we are the first importer of agricultral goods from developing countries!
@53 JuanStanic
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cultures, like species have to be able to evolve, adapt to new circumstances or they go extinct.
All gone quite now eh.... I wonder why ;-))))
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@56. Are you serious or is this a joke?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Subsidies is just another way of impeding free trade. You make an otherwise uncompetitive sector strive artificially thus scanting the need of imported goods.
Read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy
“The impact of agricultural subsidies in developed countries upon developing-country farmers and international development is well documented. Agricultural subsidies depress world prices and mean that unsubsidised developing-country farmers cannot compete; and the effects on poverty are particularly negative when subsidies are provided for crops that are also grown in developing countries since developing-country farmers must then compete directly with subsidised developed-country farmers, for example in cotton and sugar.”
Then you can read how the US and the EU made a mockery of the round of Uruguay and Doha to keep on doing what Ive posted above.
The British posters here are lying through their teeth now. In every sentence basically.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Teaboy:
So if I open a hot dog stand and you open a hot dog stand... It cost us 1 widget each sausage and 1 widget for the two buns. So we sell the hot dog at 3 widgets to cover cost of the product itself and make a profit.
One day dear government comes along and tells me that they cover 50% of the cost of the hot dog, so now I go and drop my price to 2 widgets. You can't because that only breaks you even and leaves you nothing to eat.
I drive you out of business. How did I promote industry?
Oh so you rely on wiki whilst i relied on official data. Sorry but cheaper prices in developing countrues meant eu farmers could not compete hence why the eu started subsidies, to protect eu argriculture. Which meant Eu farmers able to produce products in competition of cheaper foreign imports. It is well known prices of goods produced in the EU are more expensive than goods from foreign developing countries, so saying eu subtidies depressed the prices of already cheaper products from foreign countries is bullshit, you lowered your own prices to beat that of EU produced goods. Either way regardless of price the EU would still had need to import from developing countries to meet demand, and the facts are we import more than we export.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even today EU goods cost signigicantly more than agricultural products produced and shipped to the EU from foreign countries. Argument that the subsidies depressed prices of agricultural product produced in developing countries is mute.
@61 - Economics is not as simple as that. By your example where we both purchased using the same currency and only you got a 50% subsidie from the goevernment, then yes youw ould be correct. However if your purchased 1 hot dog and 2 buns for 1 argentine peso, you would sell at 3 peso to make a profit. Where if i purchased 1 hot dog and 2 buns for £1 and sold at £3 to make a peso. And my government came along and offered me 50% subsidie, i would then sell at £1.50 and £1.5 in peso is 10.42 argentine peso. So every 1 hotdog and bun i sell at £1.50 still costs me more than it would if i were to import them from argentina for 1 peso for 1 hot dog and 2 buns which would only cost me £0.14 plus carriage. therefore selling imported hotdogs and buns from argentina in the UK at £3 a go would make me far more profit then selling british produced hot dog and buns even with a 50% subsidie.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0So then what is the difference between a physical barrier to imports like Argentina has been doing and a virtual barrier through price distortion? That one is “EU approved” and the other isn't, that's all. Hypocrisy!
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@62. What are you talking about??
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The current subsidies distort incentives for the global trade of agricultural commodities in which other countries may have a comparative advantage. Allowing countries to specialize in commodities in which they have a comparative advantage in and then freely trade across borders would therefore increase global welfare and reduce food prices. Ending direct payments to farmers and deregulating the farm industry would eliminate inefficiencies and deadweight loss created by government intervention.”
It has nothing to do about wiki use google you lazy bastards and read up on the subject in any “official” site.
Of course Argentina produces cheaper agricultural products than the EU. It is called a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. Not only in labour but in climate, soil and whether. Read up on Adam Smith you fucktard.
And yet we still import non-labour intensive manufactured goods which are produced elsewhere cheaper that they could ever be produced here.
THAT is called Free Trade.
The problem is that in Europe they pay farmers in Spain and Italy, for example, to produce onions and tomatoes which are bought at guranteed prices, then the over production (allways is at a guranteed price) is dumped in Africa at prices well below cost, or anything local producers can compete with.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0They go out of business.
However there is also the question of access to markets in the developing world, for good and services from the developed world. This is as big an issue as agricultural subsidies in holding up progress.
Simple argentina is not only preventing argentine businesses from importing goods but its also preventing them exporting goods too meaning your farmers can not export their produced and as such have to sell for less on local internal markets. Your farmers make more profit exporting their goods to the likes of the EU then they do by selling their products internally. Even with the eu subsidies agricultural products from developing nations cost far less then EU produced products. Which means EU wholesalers make more profit on imported goods then they do on locally produced products. As i showed in my example in post 63 above.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@65 “Of course Argentina produces cheaper agricultural products than the EU. It is called a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. Not only in labour but in climate, soil and whether. Read up on Adam Smith you fucktard.”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me but your the fucking retard along with troll who have been posting here about how EU agricultural subsides depress (e.g lowers) prices for developing countries, now your saying you have the competitive advantage (which would mean you would have no need to lower prices just as i said in #62 Idiot). Which is what i have been saying all along and hence why the EU susidizes the agricultral sector to prevent farmers going bankrupt in the UK due to not being able to compete with prices of imported goods.
I don't need to read up on it, i deal in importing goods every fucking day you dumb arrogant twat. Jesus, you can not even keep to your own side of the argeument, first your saying the EU subsidies are costly to your farmers, now you agree with me and by saying you have the competitive adavange which i have been trying to point out all along, and by doing so, you try to make me look like i was siding with what you had originally argued abut EU subsides being unfair on argentine farmers. Not only that it was you and troll that compared EU subsidies with that of argentinas import and export restrictions. Which by now saying argentina has the competitive advanage, you have effectively cancelled out your own fucking originally argeument. You retarded, hypicritically twat.
So Argentina is trying to remedy other countries competitive advantages.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Errr its argentina and developing nations with the competitive advantage when it comes to agricultural produced sold in the EU. EU wholesalers importing such products from developing countries make more profit on those imported goods then the do on locally produced goods.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok heres an example. My company imports printer consumables from China (remans and compatibles only, as we get OEM Originals within the UK) 1 toner from china costs $10 which is £6.25 if i bought the exact same toner from a UK manufacturer it would cost me £15.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0So total cost for toner from chine £6.25
Total cost of exact same toner from UK is £15.
I sell for £29.95 which means on the product from china i make £23.70 profit. Where as on the toner from the UK i would only make 14.95.
Now even if the UK government subsidized the printer consumable industry by say 50% the UK toner would still cost £7.50, so i would still make more profit by purchasing from China, but the subsidies would mean the UK manufacturers of printer consumables would be more able to compete with the chinese manufacturers. Off course their is no such subsidies. But atleast you now get the idea as to why its more profitable to import goods then sell locally produced goods.
@71. As Truth_Telling_Troll has said: so whats the fuss then? Argentina is trying to level the game now with your products.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0And could you please explain to me what “free trade” means to you?
Because after reading all your discourse on subsidies and how valid they are I think you have your own interpretation of what “free trade” means.
@72 - The problem Troneas is that argentinas import and export restrictions prevent tade, they prevent argentine producers from exporting goods, thereby preventing other nations and trade blocks from importing those argentine exported goods, meaning they have to import from elsewhere where costs maybe higher. And secondly it also means other trade blocks can not export their goods to argentina either, meaning your people and manufacturers can not import the raw materiels or foreign goods they need, or want.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Free trade is not free par se, but basically is where a country does not impose restrictions (tariffs) on goods or products people or companies can import or export, which is what argentina is doing with its trade restrictions. And for the records, subisdies do not impede on free trade.
But Argentina's economy is insignificant, a pygmy in the world, or that's the hearsay in these parts... so why has Mercosur, the rest of Latin America, China, and now the EU and USA getting so flustered?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would anyone bat an eyelash if Uganda did this? Our economy is the same as Uganda's so why the big fuzz.
Because Argentina has signed up to the WTO and used to effectively be a G20 country and in breach of all of the rules its a signatory of.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I said earlier I support a country's right to manage its own affairs but Argentina shouldn't be surprised if it gets expelled from the WTO when it signed and accepted its rules and then reneged on them.
I think the international community is simply tired of Argentina's antics, its absolute failure to honor its obligations and to repay its debts to the international community.
I'm very surprised by the level of antagonism towards Argentina's restrictive trade policies.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a Chilean, conservative free trader I look at the Argentines with great interest. They actually think they are going to pull this off, their “modelo” is going to work.
I don't think anyone that understands economics thinks that they will be able to make it a success. Having said that I love the way they continually evolve and come up with ad-hock band aid cures, on the fly, to keep it running and prevent it from falling apart. Many will say a lot of their policies have been tried before, but they never had the pension system and the very healthy central bank at their disposal before. SO they DO have a chance indeed to make this soft fascism/Keynesian on steroids, leftist, sort of democratic, cult of personality, fruit salad economic system work.
I will look forward in the coming months to some very entertaining shenanigans, from Cristina and her motley crew. I just wish you guys would be a little less harsh on them, that's all. Remember they only have 9 operational A-4AR fighter bombers in service, so no military threat here at all.
Saludos.
#31 - no aggression? What a joke! Don't take my word for it, go read what your own people say:
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://plazademayo3d.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/expansion-territorial-argentina.html
This is English intrigue ,,,Argentina can able to retaliate to British assets located in Argentina ...even it doesn't to trade with Europe ,North America,has been mainly exporting/importing with Brasil.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@74 - “Argentina can able to retaliate to British assets located in Argentina”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0not only would that be unilateral action it would be illegal and likely lead to war. The UK is not behind the recent WTO statement, it is argentinas own trade restrictions that has resulted in WTO warning argentina.
As the rest of your comments, learn some facts because argentina does trade with EU and north america trades with more than just brazil. Eu being the US main trade partner and before you say it isn't fair, well the balkan countries are themselves developing countries, just like argentina.
Economic-failure Argentina IS NOT oxymoron.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not to mention the UK could most likely seize x100 more in retaliation since the UK is a major player in the world banking system.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also how about the UK going along with the USA's requests to block WCB loans that Argentina needs (it hasn't so far).
And then there's the trade sanctions it can enforce through the EU - And before anyone says it can't, the EU is required under its own framework to take action in these instances should a country within the EU initiate a dispute.
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Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0comment ( 78) says it ..not ( 74)...
read again carefully..
I didn't say ..UK is behind the recent WTO statements..
I did say that ...This is English intrigue...
Argentina has “”self retaliation right“”not only in Argentian own land...
anywhere,anytime in the world...
becouse , there is no “” the power of law“” ,but there is “” the law of power“” in the world.....
We seem to be complicating a very simple issue here. the fact is that Argentina has a deliberate policy of stopping imports coming into the country or at very best dictating that companies have to match imports with exports.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is not Free Trade and it is not compatible with G20 or WTO Membership.
People can see through this policy. It is there to prop up an economy that is dying on its feet - yet again.
@82
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh so i make a minor error by referring to the wrong post, despite it being clear to everyone with halve a brain cell that i was responding to your post that i had even quoted. And you act like i have committed a major crime and tell me to read it agains. I know you never said the UK was behind it, but you comment about siezing UK assets in response shows your true believe that you hold the UK responsible, did you refer to siezing assets of all the other nations that signed the WTO statement? No you didn't, you just stated about the UK assets only. So even though you didn't say it when you read between the lines of what you said, it is clear that you are indeed blaming the UK for the statement by the STO.
Argentina has self determination right you say, yes it does, but it can not take unilateral action and try and disguise it as retaliation. The UK has not done anything to argentine to warrant the kind of retaliation that you spoke off, so for argentina to take such action, the UK would themselves have the right to retaliate against argentina and what will happen then, we will keep going round in circles and another war starts, all because you blamed the UK solely for the WTO statement signed by nearly all WTO members. Sorry but although you have the right to retaliate against the statement and nations that signed it, you do not have the right to retaliate unilaterally by siezing UK assets.
By the way there are no UK assets in Argentina (Not including banks), only assets of privately UK based businesses which are seperate legal entities. And if you tried to sieze the assets of UK banks, you would be taking from the british tax payer who given the stong feelings as a result of the bank bailouts, would demand that we use what ever action is necessary to regain those assets quickly including military action - As in case you didn't know, the UK also has the right to retaliate against argentina.
@83 i agree, they even tried argue EU farm subsidies was the same.
** 80 greco
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 02012/ Government debts/GDP ....ARGENTINA : 42.9 %
2012/CDS/ debts .....ARGENTINA : 17.2 %
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2012 Government debts/GDP ....UK : 79.5 %
2012 CDS/debts ..UK : 3.6 %
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2012 Government debts/GDP ....USA : 69.4 %
2012 CDS/ debts .....USA : 0.2 %
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2012 Government debts/GDP .....IRELAND : 209.2 %
2012 CDS/debts ...IRELAND : 22.5 %
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2012 Government debts/GDP......CHINA : 16.3 %
2012 CDS /debts .......CHINA : 3.7 %
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CDS says ...the swap rates..........................
Explain the point to us Geo please?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously GDP-debt ratio can be a useful figure but only if it is combined with a cohesive argument that includes other figures and/or logic.
On their own, they are an absolutely pointless number.
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Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once,i had heard some English institutions have for related secret espionage ,spying, machinating actions in Argentina according to the some listening records....The Argentine government could take actions against them by its own legal authority.
We said good bye to the IMF and World Bank. Now its time to say good bye to WTO and UN. Eventually, OAS and Mercosur.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then we will trully be free.
88 Truth_Telling_Troll
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We said good bye to the IMF and World Bank. Now its time to say good bye to WTO and UN. Eventually, OAS and Mercosur. Then we will trully be free.”
I think you misunderstand. It is the rest of the world who will be free on a country which is incapable of joining the modern world because of its juvenile attitude to everything.
Then the idea is a match made in purgatory. Let's get out of here then! The Argentine people want nothing to do with the rest of the world, and you want nothing to do with us.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do we sign?
@90 when you build the wall.. can you make sure it's a high wall with no doors.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks.
@87 Right and argentina does not have spies operating in other coutries such as in the UK? You'd be lying if you said no. I fail to see what your point is as because you also have spies, we could retaliate just like you could. Also we could retaliate as a result of your governments false accusation about us deploying nuclear weapons in the south atlantic - Ohhhhh wait a minute yesterday your defense minister actually accused us of using nuclear weapons in the south atlantice, perhaps we should retaliate against argentina for making such accusations.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously misty your just going round in circle with your pointless comments on argentina can retaliate on this and that, as any country could just as likely retaliate against argentina. Chile. Brazil and uruaguay may retailate against agrentina due to the impact of argentinas trade restrictions on their exports to argentina. Jesus if you haven't got anything constructive to add, then don't bother even commenting as you talking in circles.
The funny thing is that we know Argentines don't care about what the rest of the world thinks of us, but Greekyoghurt feels rejected by the fact Argentina does not like him. In fact the whole world feels “rejected” and hurt by our stance, which is why they are throwing this tantrum now at the WTO.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 92 )
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor !..LindenTeaBoy..
The London must appoint “” CeylonTeaBoy“” instead of “”LindenTeaBoy“” to comment here.....
Clearly Argentina is on the side of democracy here. The US, UK, EU, and the others are for corporate facism, which is what their countries are today. No one would call them democracies, they are financial tyrannies.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://citizen.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452507269e201538ec4a0df970b-320wi
Picture says 1000 words.
90 TTT You only speak for yourself not for all Argentines.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of us wish to be part of the real world not your stupid KK dream world.
@96
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They think you are inferior scum. Look how they always softly seem to foist references about “Anglo-saxons”, “germanics”, “Northern Europe”, “Protestantism”.... They believe those fables, that somehow their DNA is superior to that of the other ethnicities in Europe, much less the rest of the world. Its pretty funny.
The difference is that they tell Argentines this to our face, like here at Mercoprss, because they are upset at us for standing up to them. They pretend they are humble with the other Latin Americans, even with other Europeans, or the Asians, but they think the same of them as they do of us. They just don't say it because of diplomacy.
Nah, I don't want anything to do with them. I am far superior to them anyhow, not because of birth or race or nationality, because of hard work.
Argentina will never go anywhere by associating with people that see you as lesser sub-humans.
@93
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The funny thing is that we know Argentines don't care about what the rest of the world thinks of us, but Greekyoghurt feels rejected by the fact Argentina does not like him. In fact the whole world feels “rejected” and hurt by our stance, which is why they are throwing this tantrum now at the WTO”.
Utter Argentine paranoia. the WTO have told you why they are seething. your import restrictions are hurting economies of your neighbours such as Uruguay and Paraguay. these are supposedly your friends and you are shitting all over them.
We all know why you are doing it - because you rely on a balance of payments surplus because no one will lend you any money, because you never pay the fucker back.
You like the idea of being a member of the G20 and WTO but you want absolutely fuckall to do with obeying the rules of the game. Its one for you and fuck the rest, one for you and fuck the rest, one for you and fuck the rest.
“Its one for you and fuck the rest, one for you and fuck the rest, one for you and fuck the rest.”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worked for the British Empire. ;)
I think that was your motto, actually.
Tut tut such bad sandwiches, lol.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey if CFK says she is correct, then she is correct, besides what does the WTO know about anything, we all know CFK is the worlds expert on this and all subjects, is she not .lol.
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97 TTT You're wrong , they know that the malvinistas are sub-human, not the real Argentine people.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 097, answer
Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are completely missing the whole point, like all bad Argies or anyone else,
the fact is this, and you either agree or disagree,
do people have a right to choose who rules them
do people who have lived on an island for over 150 years have the right to choose who rules them.
do we live in a democracy or a dictatorship,
in a democracy the people of the Falklands, or anywhere else, that have lived peacefully for over 150 years has a right to choose who rules them.
a dictatorship, decides who rules you,
the islanders have freely and democratically voted to remain British, [democracy]
Argentina refuses this , and demands that they must be ruled by Argentina [against their free will]
this is dictatorship
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you decide,
@94 Awwwwwww...Poor little misty, couldn't think of a response. So instead reverts to childish name calling. Awwwww de dums (sucks on thumb).
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Grow a up Misty, your being pathetic!!
About time international community stood together against Argentinian duplicity and double-standards . No-one trust Argentina - and with good reason - which is a shame when you consider that most Argentinian people are decent people ... with an unfortunate habit of allowing themselves to be lead by untrustworthy crackpots.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0104 Skåre Crackpot's and the recently deceased!! like Truth_telling _troll says “A picture paints a thousand words” and judging by the “lady” pictured at the top of this acticle..........well, someone's been dead a long time
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bet the mortuary had a laugh ..
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like those who like the Malvinas belong to Argentina .. IF YOU WANT TO BE BRITISH? andate to EUROPE, the question is so simple ... or another solution would be a missile to the islands and the islanders die .. and inhabit the Argentine English total of europe wants to live on the islands of shit ...
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0! vamooose !
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No need to listen to this bias and racist WTO members unless they protect my rights to bring more then 3 boxes of cigars or rum from Cuba without having to pay the Canadian government 25% in taxes as they usually do or confiscate it from us. I guess the WTO is only there to help major corporations not the working class. I say we emulates how Canada and USA use the border agents and laws to strip people of property and rights.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 @5 A group of countries which enthusiastically support Argentina's territorial expansion has been formed:
Apr 05th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela, Argentina, Guatemala, Iran, Nicaragua, Angola and Somalia.
They're still trying to decide on an appropriate acronym.
lOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF CNUTS TO ME! :o)
Apr 05th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0London, let the corrupt WTO cry us a river but don't cry for Argentina because we have democracy and we also have the right to self determination even if we are illegally occupyed by British illegal aliens who will be deported or executed for violation of international laws, we feel sad the WTO is trying to dictate to us Argentine's but we already have an elected government in Argentina thanks for the concern, UK theft of oil and fish from Malvinas Argentina are a bigger problem in the south and until that problem gets fixed we have no interest in the garbage put out by WTO, we have trading laws people in Argentina need to follow or they can get out of Argentina if they don't want to respect the laws the door is always open use it. In my opinion Argentina needs to get tough on illegal fishing and oil exploring in our oceans as Australia does by burning the boats of pirates with the backing of UN.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
@112 You're the one who appear to be threatening “illegal aliens will be deported or executed”, “ships will be burned”. Grow up. We're not crying for you, we're laughing at you. Pillock.
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