MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina reiterates ‘serious suspicions’ about UK nuclear weapons in Falklands’ region
Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli reiterated Argentina’s “militarization” claims in the Falkland Islands and highlighted “serious suspicions” that Britain is using nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic region. Read full article
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Mar 30th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a strange looking grumpy old man !
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol deflecting argentine populations attention from the WTO statement i see - Now why aren't we surprised!
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but even for an Argentine politician that has to be the most asinine heap of crap ever. I think someone might notice if we were using nuclear weapons.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“serious suspicions” eh
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usual factual, evidence based approach then.
Oh well never mind, he’ll get over them.
i like this bit - “that Britain is using nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic region.”
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So according to this dimwit, we have gone from having a nuclear armed submarine in the south atlantic (south atlantic is not a nuclear free zone only south american territory is). To now actually using nuclear weapons in the south atlantic. Now thats funny because there is no evidence of any mushroom clouds or nuclear radiation from the use of nuclear weapons in the south atlantic, and last time i checked BA is still in one piece LOL
“In this new century we shouldn’t waste any opportunity presented by the current regional integration process.”
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the most telling bit. What he is effectively saying is that as the RG's have no armed forces to speak of and the RG's are members of the likes of Mercosur then all of those members should be clubbing together and militarily comiong to the aid of Argentina, over a cause that no one is the slighest bit interested in and certainly not enough to put their countries on a war footing.
The Argentines are dangerous people and the discovery and exploration and subsequent extraction of oil is definitely starting to irk them.
If they could they would fight another war over this.
Basically the Rg's are saying - we have no armed forces because we dont want a military coup in our country and wish to act with impunity, however we would like all you other south american countries that we have hacked off to put your armed forces at our disposal for a war against the UK ie please fight our battles for us.
Pitiful.
I have it on the best authority that the 'bumper sticker de jour' in Ushuaia says ( and I paraphrase here) 'In 30 years time Ushuaia will be the seat of government of the Falklands !!!'
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Delusional dickhead drongos.....
Argentina should be expelled from Mercosur for this statement.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are unwittingly being used by the RG's to sater their insatiable jealousy, greed and envy of the Falklands. They have an expansionist policy that is not only dangerous to the Falklands but also dangerous to the entire region.
They need to be stopped before they go too far.
THERE ARE NO. REPEAT NO NUCLEAR ARMED SUBMARINES, IN THE SOUYH ATLANTIC. A NUCLEAR ARMED SUBMARINE IS A DETERENT AGAINST OTHER NUCLEAR POWERS. ARE THERE ANY IN THE SOUTH ATLANTIC? THERE ARE HOWEVER NUCLEAR POWERED HUNTER KILLER SUBMARINES IN THE SOUTH ATLANTIC, I THINK THEIR NAME QUITE RIGHTLY EXPLAINS THEIR ROLE. THE SUBMARINE OR SUBMARINES ARE THERE TO HUNT AND KILL ANY FLEET AND I DO MEAN FLEET.
Mar 30th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argies should stop flattering themselves. Do they honestly think they are worth the money that it takes to position a Trident sub let alone waste one of our missiles on them? Jeess some people have an inflated opinion of their own importance.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK: “We have a big dick, and we will continue to have one until our voters... ehm the Falklanders so wish!”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0International Community (IC): “But the decolonization committee, the removal of Argentine settlers, the imposed British ones, the projection of the maritime platform...”
The UK: “We have a big dick, and we will continue to have one until our voters... ugh... ehm the Falklanders so wish!”
...
“What maritime platform? What does that got to do with it?”
IC: “The same geographical manifestation upon which you claim the Antarctic Peninsula by controlling the *Falklands*”
UK: “We have a big dick, and we will continue to have one until our voters... waaa.. ugh... ehm the Falklanders so wish!”
@12
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0you know as well as I do that the Un Decolonisation committee is now defunct. It is a worthless talking shop for you Latins to whinge and wail about the Gringos and how colonial we all are.
the UK no longer has colonies. the falklands is a good example of an overseas territory that wishes to remain British out of choice.
however you know all of this already.
As you know you are a set of untrustworthy lying fuckers. You openly admit it. What gets me though is exactly what you would do if you owned the Falklands and the entire Antarctic. My guess is that as you are a set of lazy bastards you would trash the place and it would become a slum.
to imply that you are fearful for the UK and how they would look after the south Atlantic's resources is, as you know,a complete and utter fucking joke and hypocrisy of the highest roder as no one would trust an Rg to put the cat out never mind look after a territory.
we just look at what a fucking mess Rg Land is too see what would happen if you ever put your expansionist policy into practice.
12 Tronfreak
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were settled before your country even existed.
How long was that German, you keep talking about being Argentine, on our islands before he got kicked out by the US Navy for... piracy? A few fucking months! And you expect that claim to be taken seriously?
A claim officially dropped in 1850 and only resurrected in 1941 under a fascist military junta made up of amongst others General Juan Peron - your great hero, the man who brought Peronism back from Mussolini's Italy
You people are on some kind of drug, if you expect us to take you seriously! People in Britain laugh their head off at your “Malvinas” shit.
Troll I was in Buenos Aires for 3 years - I'm going to claim you crap hole of a cuntry for Britain! How do you like that?
You know what they use for a dart board at the local pubs around here? A dart board incorporating the Argentine flag and a picture of your President Cristina Kitchener complete with the melting waxed face which looks like something out of a horror movie.
I designed it myself and they are selling like hot cakes. Want one?
Cry over your flag Tron, I just pissed on one.
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina -
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
“What maritime platform? What does that got to do with it?”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0IC: “The same geographical manifestation upon which you claim the Antarctic Peninsula by controlling the *Falklands*”
The UK has never claimed any Antarctic territory on the basis of having the Falklands, or South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands in the South Atlantic. It is Argentina which uses the geography argument, not the UK.
@12
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sugesting we are not a maritime nation. Do you have the slightest idea of Britians maritime achievemensts.
Our ships wre sailing the oceans of the world, while you wre still paddling your canoes!!!!!! And that's a fact.
@13. The fact that they wish to remain a colony (or any other fancy modern name your government comes up with) doesn't mean that it is, in fact, a colony.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fancy “British Overseas Territory” label was created precisely when the UN put a magnifying glass on the situation. And of course they don't want to change their nationality. You put them there!
@14. Settled and then abandoned. Several times. By the English, the French and the Spanish. So?
In 1833 they were a part of Argentina. Inherited by Spain in our rightful independence and colonised before the pirates came and removed its colony.
If the US were still a crowd of 2000 fishermen they would still be under your rule! Their options would be either that or independence. They wouldn't want to be a part of Spain for crying out loud.
Except that the Malvinas were already Argentinean when these people arrived - unlike the settlers you sent to north america.
For (Argentina), force is the right of the ignorant”. So, remembering it was Argentina that showed aggression over the islands on 1982, this guy's just admitted that Argentina's ignorant. Good move.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0???
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The world...
They know of the Phoenicians founding most naval trade
They know of the Italians founding most mediterranean seaports in roman times
They know of Leif Erikson and the Scandinavians discovery.
They know of Columbus and Spain's redescovery.
They know of Magellan and Portugal's circumnavigation.
They know of Cartier and France's Arctic exploration.
They know of the Dutch East India company and how they sighted Australia
Actually, the best known milestones of British sailing are the Munity on the Bounty Captain and the sinking of the Titanic. No one in the world knows anything else of the top of their head about British maritime achievements.
20 Troll
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take a look at the uniform worn by the Argentine Navy, it like every other naval uniform in the world is based on the Royal Navy.
The Royal Navy were ruling the seas before Argentine ever existed. Sinking the Spanish Armada. Destroying the French and Spanish fleet of Trafalgar. Sinking most of Hitler's U boats, all his battleships and most of anything else he had.
The British discovered North America. It was John Cabot in the Mathew 1497.
It was the Englishman John Davis who first discovered the Falkland Islands in 1492.
It was the British that discovered most of the Pacific Ocean .
Troll you know about as much true as a prick thats just been cut off.
Oh I just spat on your flag.
Did I lie when I said that if you ask about British ships most people would say the Bounty and the Titanic? Those are the ones the average joe will say... sorry.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish Armada was defeated by adverse weather or you would have been Catholic today. That even the most nationalist Brit admits to.
Everything else, good for you. You are an island, right? Would be a bit embarrasing if you didn't have seafaring skill since you needed it to get there in the first place and take the land away from the Celts.
20 Troll
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're going to kick your fucking Nazi ass Troll, you come to the right place.
You spend the first half of the 20th C whipping out 50% of your countries population - the Negros.
The second half was spent raping, torturing and murdering political dissidents who didn't agree with a fascist military junta.
Previous to that - in the 19C and before you were busy killing each other but most of all raping the Indians, stealing their land and killing them.
Sounds to me Troll your on some kind of different planet!
@21.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pointless argument is pointless.
What Truth_Telling_Troll wanted to point out is that it is ridiculous of you to compare a 200 year old nation with one that has existed for 1000.
If I were Italian I could go on about how Rome civilized the West when in England you were still sleeping in caves.
Grow up for fucks sake.
Troll I was in Buenos Aires for 3 years - I'm going to claim you crap hole of a cuntry for Britain and call it New Britain on the same basis you claim the Falklands and call the Malvinas! How do you like that?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0List of British genocides:
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Genocide in Kenya
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
300,000
Genocide in Chagos Island
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
Genocide in Ireland, TWICE (that must be a world record, a country commiting genocide twice on the same people):
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
“The impact of the war on the Irish population was unquestionably severe, although there is no consensus as to the magnitude of the loss of life. Estimates of the drop in the Irish population resulting from the parliamentarian campaign vary from 15-25%,[7] to half[8][9] and even as much as five-sixths”
2 million
And again in the Potato Famine
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
5 millon
Genocide in India... TWICE!!
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
10 million
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
30 million
Genocide in Germany
http://www.fontys.nl/lerarenopleiding/tilburg/engels/Engdepold/Empire%202009/Article%20-%20Brutal%20End%20of%20Empire.htm
My God!!!!
24 Tron
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know exactly what troll was doing, being an insulting imbecile.
A 200 year old nation? England has existed for a lot longer than 200 years. England became a unified state in AD 927. The modern Italian state dates back to... 1946. There was an Italian state before that - in various forms but not as a continuous state and not in its current geographical form. The Roman Empire was not Italy. Britain has existed since before the nation state system was established.
We were not as you claim, “living in caves” 200 years ago. We had an Empire 200 years ago stretching around the world. 200 years ago the Royal Navy was literally ruling the waves. The largest Empire the world has ever since.
We defeated Napoleon in 1814, the Kaiser in 1918 and Hitler in 1945.
What has Argentina done? Ah Generalissimo Peron and his fascism, you still love him and his ideas!
More...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“One of the most important yet highly disputed pieces of information regarding the intentional ethnocide of indigenous populations in the Americas was possible intentional use of disease as a biological weapon, which was first posited by British forces under the command of Jeffery Amherst.[34][35] There is, however, only one documented case of germ warfare, involving British commander Jeffrey Amherst.[36] It is uncertain whether this documented British attempt successfully infected the Indians”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
@27. You misread. I meant England has existed for 1000 years and Argentina, for 200.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Napoleon was dead when he reached England already. It was his last desperate attempt to remain in power with an already decaying army. He was defeated by the Russians.
And I always find it very amusing when the English glorify themselves at defeating Hitler. Truth be told had England not been an island it would have suffered the same fate as France.
The United States defeated Hitler. England was just lucky to contain him long enough and join the american advance afterwards.
My God! Troll must be a sponsor of wikipedia, All his history comes from there! Troll did you know that the source is not always correct!
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0In fact i remember not too long ago an american journalist posted a load of lies on the site, then wrote a story on his posting on Wikipedea, which he quoted and then everyone belived the story. His point was to illustrate wikipedea as not a could source. It is tit bits of info, and in many cases better used for 14 year olds trying to revise for theri next class.
So troll, stop using it so much! Try using your little pea of a brain.
@30. Would you care to enlighten us what is incorrect about what he posted?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its far easier to blame the source than to acknowledge what he is saying - or correct him if he's wrong.
I think I just “genocided” the British posters long-running “genocide” fingerpoiting at Argentina. Post 26 is devastating.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0And post 28 shows the British even engaged in indian genocide, with biological warfare no less!
I only exposed British genocides (which are very well covered up, I guess they do that in common with Argentina, both countries can cover genocides like no two other countries seemimgly), because it got too rich that in every article the British bring out Argentina's “genocidal history”.
Genocide in Kenya -
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spare me the crap, my grandfather was an Chief Inspector in the Kenya Police - there was an insurection led by minority cult - Mau Mau - of one tribe the Kikuyu. The method was to indocrinate their followers in a witch craft ceremony that involved injesting drugs and raping a sister or a brother and also involved bestality.
12 white farmers were killed but most of their victims were their own people. The total death toll was around 20,000 mostly Kikuyu on Kikuyu. There was NOT 300,000 killed. Even the revisionalists - both of them (and I studied their research) don't claim even a third of that! Again the violence was black on black and Britain had a weak Labour government most of the time British forces had their hands tied.
There is history and then there is propaganda. Bearing in mind what I am stating is a fact - minority cult - Mau Mau - of one tribe the Kikuyuwere involved in the insurgency, if the death toll had been 300,000 on their side... 1. There would be no Kikuyu left. As the figure exceeds the number of Kikuyu who existed!
2. 12 white farmers were killed by Mau Mau and yet 300,000 Mau Mau were killed by us - DO THE MATH. Note - the Kikuya lived in the same area of Kenya settle by the whites - they didn't do too well by this reconing did they!
3. Half the Kikuyu were loyal, large numbers of them worked for the security services or on white farms. Yet you are telling me we whiped out their whole tribe yet the extras still remained loyal?
Genocide in Chagos Island
Please tell me how many Chagosians we killed?
NONE! FACT!
There was no such nation as Chago, it was part of a British territory called Mauritius. Where do they live now? Mauritius! During WW2 whole towns and villages were evacuated in Britain for military training - some of the villages - which had larger populations than Chago's 1,000 - were never returned! FACT!
I disagree with what happened to these islanders BUT it doesn't constitute a genocide and to state
Genocide in Ireland, TWICE (that must be a world record, a country commiting genocide twice on the same people):
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0First of all let me state the story of Britain and Ireland is one of love and hate. It's a tragedy that two peoples with so much in common were divided by religion.
However, there was no genocide. The history of Ireland is a bloody one. For example, during the English Civil War the Irish fought for the Crown. It doesn't get any less complicating. When you talk about the Irish do you mean the Catholics? The Protestants? The Loyalists? The Republicans? The Anglo-Irish? Or the Scots Irish? The North or the South? All can be on same or different sides at different points in history!
You claim 2 million Irish were killed by Cromwell, actually the figures are in the tens of thousands but again no one knows the actual figures. It was a long time ago. Leaving the door wide open to the propaganda merchants like yourself.
While Cromwell isn't a popular figure with the Nationalists during the same period tens of thousands of Irish Protestants were killed by those he was fighting a FACT overlooked by nationalist propaganda.
France and Spain had for hundreds of years used Irish politics (with their Catholic majority) and propagandized them with tails of English / British atrocities.
There was a famine! yes famines happen East Anglia suffered a famine at the same time - no ones claimed it was a genocide!
You state 5 million died - that would have been virtually the ENTIRE population of Ireland yet during the period previous to that, during and after about 2 million people left Ireland.
No one knows how many died. A fact exploited by nationalist propaganda. The highest academically accepted figure is about 1 million.
It was a tragedy - lots have happen since. To say it was done on purpose is criminal!
Know your Irish history, I do, my great grandparents were burnt out of their Cork home in 1929 (7 years after independence) for being... Protestant!
Genocide in India -
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 010 million
There was no genocide in India and to state we killed 10 million Indians is a lie on which there is no basis at all.
One of the biggest tradgedy in British India was the day of the Amrisar massacre when British troops fired on Sikh rioters. No one knows the actual death toll but the offical report states 379.
Not 10 MILLION.
How you would go about murdering 10 million people. Railways, death camps? Troll your the expert on genocides!
Just don't seem to know much, other than what you make up and troll for on hate and nationalist propaganda sites on the Internet.
Troll -
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Now we come to the BIG one”
You claim Britain MURDERED - 30 million Germans in a war!
How do you genocide an enemy Army?
I think you need a lesson in rationality!
Who started WW2?
Even the highest academic estimates for German deaths don't claim a third of that number. How can they, it would have been about half the pre war German population of 63 million. You seriously believe that 50% of the German population died in WW2?
Wikipedia gives the following
5,530,000 military
1,100,000 to 3,150,000 civilian
Ah I see the Neo Nazi's believe!
How do you genocide an enemy Army?
Please bear in mind WW2 wasn't just fought between the British and the Germans. Most of the fighting took place in the Soviet Union. How did Germany get into Russia? They invaded! MILLIONS died there.
Like they invaded Poland,France,Greece,Holland,Denmark,Norway, Finland, Ukraine,Belarus,Latvia,Lithuania,Estonia,Georgia, North Africa,Channel SIlands, etc!
Do you know what the Nazi's did to Jews, Gypsies, Political Disidents, Slaves, Poles, Russian Prisoners.
Ever been to Stalingrad / Volgograd? You know how many people died there? 1.5 MILLION.
How many Germans, Italians, Croats and other Axis nationals fled to Argentina after the war? How many war criminals escaped justice in Argentine villas and Nazi enclaves?
Argentina spent the first half of the 20th C whipping out 50% of your countries population - the Negros.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina spent the second half of 20thC raping, torturing and murdering political dissidents who didn't agree with their fascist military junta.
Previous to that Argentine - in the 19C and before - were busy killing each other and raping all the Indians, stealing their land and killing them.
NOW I UNDERSTANT WHY YOU LOVE NAZI PROPAGANDA SO MUCH!
George Galloway
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3lRBniTZo&feature=related
great!
@37
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is that whatever rumors about Argentina's history are automatically fact, and those for Britain are automatically false, right?
Is that what passes for objectivism in Britain?
How many Brits and French migrated to Argentina before, during and after the wars? Same reason the other Europeans did perhaps? Same reason a few hundred thousand Jews did? Europe was a hellhole in the 19th and first half of the 20th century?
Which is why I laugh that you Europeans now look down on Argentina, when I would wager she probably saved the life of some of your relatives, close or distant... There are so many people who discover family relatives in Argentina.
Argentina let all kinds of people in during the World War. Again, what business was it Argentina's to choose sides, either Allied or Axis? We had absolutely no reason to join your war in the 40s. No one attacked us, no one threatened us, no one blockaded us.
i'm sorry
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0does someone here support colonialism?
So now we know why the murder rate in the US has been “falling” (down to Argentine murder rates from Brazil-like murder rates in the 1980s and 1990s)...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are no longer called murders in the statistics.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577311873214574462.html
They are now called “preemptive-self-defense & strategic population control incidents”
:(
A Holy Blockade :-)
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/holes-in-argentinas-blockade-of-the-falkland-islands/
Puricelli must have moles in the Admiralty! He's the envy of the North Koreans.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good work Anti-Fascist in actually telling the truth.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troll, is working very hard lately to distort any facts or truth out there and I'm sure it works on those who either want to believe or don't know any better.
Clearly though these arguments are weak and pathetic.
Did you all get bored of discussing the daft claims about the UK deploying and using nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0One of the best passages I have read on the Falklands issue and its perception in Argentina is by an academic, Carlos Escude : “this is and has been an excuse for indoctrination and for the expression of extreme chauvinist feeling”.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is also a great passage at http://plazademayo3d.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/expansion-territorial-argentina.html
on Argentinian national mythology and territorial expansion (including some very interesting maps showing the borders of the old Spanish River Plate territory!).
So when reading the nonsense posted by some of the more extreme Argentinian readers, remember that they probably do believe what they are saying. Its not their fault that they have been thoroughly indoctrinated in fallacious national mythology by an educational system that Goebbers would have been proud of!
Yes I think so. I am sure that Argentine military professionals have already pointed out to their civilian bosses that the range of a Trident 2 missile negates the need to park it anywhere near Argentina even if Argentina were targeted, which of course they are not because Argentina is not a nuclear power and does not pose a nuclear threat to the UK. The British could park one off the Isle if Wight and still hit BA if they wanted to.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0But this is an inconvenient truth for the poor dears.
~47 I agree - they seem unable to appreciate the difference between a nuclear powered hunter killer submarine and a nuclear powered and nuclear armed Trident submarine.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has some nuclear asset there but no have nuclear fuel it !
Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0”For (Argentina), force is the right of the ignorant”.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its official, Argentina is celebrating its own stupidity.
@36Anti-Fascist,
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0They do get carried away with themselves & if you ignore them, they just get encouraged to make even more outlandish, ridiculous claims.
Like bullying children, they need slapping down just as soon as they get too emotional & excited.
Are you reading this, TTT?
l once took that nit-wit Malvinero1 to task because he kept repeating a story that the British in lndia were cutting the fingers off lndian women, so that they couldn't weave cloth & would have to buy British cotton goods.
His figure, if memory serves me right was something like 10 million people.
l asked the nitwit what we did with all the loose fingers & he went quiet on it.
They are a very irrational people & l think that we should have nothing to do with them.
Let them stew in their own juices.
The Britsh empire did commit a lot of evil you dont get a global empire or keep it by being nice.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really want to try and take islands off a race thats committed global genocides and gotten away with it? Still has access to nuclear weapons and a massive military. Your invasion thirty years ago ended in disaster since then your military has had little spent on it and apart from the odd UN tour no experience.
while uk forces have fought 8 wars at least and spent billons requipping
WE ARE EVIL WE LIKE FIGHTING AND WE HAVE NUKES. YOUR ARGUEMENT IS INVALID.
“The Argies should stop flattering themselves. Do they honestly think they are worth the money that it takes to position a Trident sub let alone waste one of our missiles on them? Jeess some people have an inflated opinion of their own importance.”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't say it better myself, Beef.
@51
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are as set of liars. It has been proven time after time, however it is in their nation to say and do anything that gets them an advantage and anything they say needs to be checked out.
The bleating from this minister is a point in case. He is a squealing child.
Their tactic is to throw made up mud at the UK, hoping that some of it sticks. When it doesnt they then forget about it and move onto the next lie.
Not only that but they then unwittingly draw people like tutu into the fray and they, in turn, are made to look fools at the expense of the RG's. However these people just cant help aligning themselves to lost causes because intrinsically they are jealous and bitter people who have axes to grind.
This militarising the region is a one they are playing over and over. they care not that they look like a bunch of hypocrites, conveniently forgetting why our military is there (182 anyone?). they are trying to drag the rest of the region into a war with the Uk but no one is listening.
Argentina would like to have a strong army but at the heart of this thorny issue is that if they did their history of military coups induces paranoia into the fibre of every ”deomcratically2 elected President that they have, so they remain a weak country without much means to defend themselves never mind attack the Falklands.
i am told that there are RG's flying into the Falklands to commemorate the 2 April (bizarre to commemorate a war you lost that was started by a military junta) and at some point during 2 April, on the Falklands, they will raise the RG Flag. There will be trouble and a diplomatic incident will be created by them - they will once more play the victim card. Bank on it.
Puricelli- a hyphenated-Argentinean- is a big LIAR.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina purchased 36 McDonnell Douglas A-4AR Fightinghawks in 1999!
Philippe
PS. Yes, the UK has solid reasons for reinforcing the Falkland Islands defences!
Undiplomatically, I'd say he's nuts, or morekindly, he's just stirring to keep the pot boiling.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, what would help the Islanders no end is to have a nuclear conflict in the region. That would help Argentina as well. Nah; it's just column space.
” For (Argentina), force is the right of the ignorant”“
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spoken like a true weakling.
This is the ”moral-reasoning“ of people who are weak and stupid and dishonest.
And when it comes to Ignorant.
In 2000 a Spanish journalist asked the question:
”What other word can you form out of “Argentino?”
His answer,
“Ignorante.”
Oh Lord- Puricelli has caught us out!! Lets admit it - those “mud”silos onshore at the Oil Works depot are in fact hiding launchers for ICBMs!!!
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the offshore oil drilling - OK lets admit it - he is right - they are now all carefully disguised ICBM missile silos buried into the seabed, lookout for the trillion megaton ones being positioned now in the deeper water Argentina!
After all Timmerman found out that the phone company.s repaeter masts on the hilltops here are actually military Command and Control Centres - must be -as he told the UN!
As for that radio antennae at Goose Green - built by Scientists as part of an International study of the Ionosphere?- oops well yes we admit Timmerman- as you told the UN - it is really is a top secret long range army radar - hell even the army command in UK do not know it is there!
Does anyone know of anybody in the entire Arg Govt who has a brain that can actaully get as far as 2 + 2 = 4?
That would be a 100% improvement over the brain power ever seen or heard from them yet!
53 - Phillipe.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A-4AR vs British Military? Too easy!
55+59
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its funny how the defence minster didn't say anything about the A-4AR's?. They where in a aircraft mag resently nice little planes, tho as far as i know only 16 are in service (the rest are in mothball). Got to laugh when even the defence minster lies a well :)
So argieland has “serious suspicions”. Tough. A few thoughts. A nuclear-armed submarine is in the South Atlantic today. Tomorrow it is in the South Pacific. And we're going to tell an tenth-rate cuntry with designs on our territory? Looney Tunes! Hey, what about the U.S. nuclear-armed submarines? Or the Russian nuclear-armed submarines? Or the Chinese nuclear-armed submarines?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 So much psychotic drivel.
@18 You can't “inherit” anything from a country that doesn't recognise you exist.
@24 Sorry. Didn't have that many caves. Recent research shows that, at the time of the Roman invasion, Britain was just advanced. But differently. By the way, where is this “200 year old nation”? Brazil? Colombia? Peru? Paraguay? Ecuador? You can't mean argieland. A genocidal, racist, xenophobic ex-colony. definitely not a “nation”. Just wannabes. Maybe in a thousand years.
@26 List of argie actual and intended genocides. 1810 to 2012. Continuous.
@29 Except Napoleon never reached England. And Britain had started defeating the Nazis long before the Yanks got involved. E.g. North Africa.
@49 “Britain has some nuclear asset there but no have nuclear fuel it !” Any chance you know anything about nuclear fuel? Do you think we have to call in at a YPF station?
Why is Putrid Jelly even speaking? An imbecile with a proven record of being more stupid than TinMan. Hard to believe, eh?
@54 The Cestrian,
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Easy, allow no Argentine citizens on the lslands at all.
Make the Argentine flag illegal by law.
@truth telling troll.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a laugh!
Famous British sailors - Drake, Rayleigh, Nelson, Rodney, Cunnigham, Hellicoe, Beatty, Sandy Woodward and the crew of HMS Conqueror spring to mind without to much bother. Oh and I quite admired the crew of HMS Exeter - I have a picture of her over my fireplace. I asked for it as a birthday present it when I was in my late teens because she was the ship that shot down in flames the most FAA and AA aircraft.
Too too easy.............................LOL
Please watch this short educational video on Argentina -
Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
I feel I just punched a bee's nest with my “Bounty and the Titanic + Genocide” truth telling.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor brits, read every single response to me after the truth was revealed, EVERY SINGLE ONE, and notice how everything that is ever said that portrays the UK in a bad light must be a
“lie, exaggeration, untruth, mendacity, tendencious opinion, bias comment, apocripha, alternate history, unproven, or sheer jealousy”.
Everything good about the UK is fact, everything bad is a lie.
And then who has a persecution problem?
I am being honest here, I am starting to feel sorry for these people as a society.
55 Philippe Are you still a Brit trying to wind us up?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you must be when you put up the McDonnell Douglas A-4AR Fightinghawks as a serious adversary to the Typhoon.
These planes only have one feature that helps against the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) and that is the claimed operating range of 2,000 miles. Other than that they are a very old design and the present lot are converted from the A-4 and even from the 1999 (last date of delivery) they are already 13 years old.
Contrast that with the Typhoon: its radar can detect your A-4AR when it has enough time to fire its 'fire and forget' missile (your plane cannot even detect the Typoon at that point) and kill the intruder, go home, land and be having tea before your country even knows the plane is missing.
The Argies really do need to get up to speed with what is happening in the modern fighter world. So pathetic.
The question is that Puricelli said that NO warplanes had been purchased since 1982. It's clear that he is a liar.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Weak Argentinian distraction from topic is weak.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The issue here is that he's denouncing the militarisation of the south atlantic but not discussing the fact Brazil have just bought a shed load of planes and are making a new nuclear sub.
This messaging is clearly for the home audience because they're not allowed to read books in order to know that this is utter horse-sh!t.
These Le Camping guys are leading you all on a merry dance and moving you all off topic... again.
“The question is that Puricelli said that NO warplanes had been purchased since 1982. It's clear that he is a liar. ”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to understand that he probably doesn't really care enough about Argentina to look it up, I don't blame him.
His point was that Argentina poses no threat. And Argentina doesn't.
Phillipe, genuine question what new fighters has Argentina bought?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The A-4's aren't new, they are upgraded.
66 ChrisR
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You people make me sick! Everyone who rejects the fanatical line of an Argentine government run my morons and psychopaths and relying on the support of nationalist fanatics has to be an imposter or a political dissident whose opinions do not count .
Maybe Philippe should be death squaded Chris?
Or maybe you should respect the views of rational Argentines who care about the real things in life, rather than some islands off your coast that you have no rights to and have never been yours.
Respect Chris, it's one word fanatics like you fail to grasp. And unfortunately for Argentina, it is people like you that are destroying your country.
Argentine is today in the grip of people who in the Uk would fit nicely into the BNP, or in Germany would have been leading members of the SS and Nazi party!
Exactly we care about the real things in life, getting rid of any relationship with dirty trading cheaters like the EU, USA, Brazil, Uruguay, etc.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop your subsidies, stop your fake “health” bans (you guys banned argie meat once just because there was a minor outbreak of Paraguayan cattle with foot-and-mouth, that had crossed the border into Argentina, and then claimed the outbreak originated in Argentina and affected the entire country's supply... then you call us DISHONEST???... and of course, foot-and-mouth is so much deadlier to humans than mad cow... the effects of which are clearly visible here on the British/European population) LOL!
... and then we will think about allowing your products in.
(66) ChrisR
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”You people make me sick! Everyone who rejects the logical line of an Argentine government run by nice and intelligent people and rely on the support of nationalist fanatics has to be an imposter or a turnip whose opinions do not count .
Maybe Philippe should be death squaded Chris?
Or maybe you should respect the views of rational Argentines who care about the real things in life, rather than some islands 8,000 miles off your coast that you have no rights to and have never been yours.
Respect Chris, it's one word fanatics like you fail to grasp. And unfortunately for Britain, it is people like you that are destroying your country.
Great Britain is today in the grip of people who fit nicely into the BNP, or in Germany would have been leading members of the SS and Nazi party!
Chuckle chuckle©
Troll
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ain't got mad cow disease you have mad pig disease, you catch it from ingesting your own shit while placing your head up your own ass.
Trade wars, Argentina knows a lot about trade restrictions on spurious grounds...
It took me less than 2 seconds to find just a few... if only we had such “good” relations with our neighbors. Argentina = clearly the neighbor from hell!
Argentina Restricts Books Imports
http://kandeofund.com/argentina-restricts-books-imports/4008
Argentina starts 'squid war' against Falkland Islands
http://kandeofund.com/argentina-restricts-books-imports/4008
Paraguay exports to Argentina plunge 70%; ‘mirror’ countermeasures considered
http://kandeofund.com/argentina-restricts-books-imports/4008
Argentina trade restrictions cut Uruguayan exports by almost half in February
http://kandeofund.com/argentina-restricts-books-imports/4008
Brazil and Argentina in a spat over trade restrictions
http://kandeofund.com/argentina-restricts-books-imports/4008
You guys provoked our reaction, by trying to destroy ourfarming and our industry. The rest of the world hasn't been honest in trade in the last 70 years. Live with it.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(55) & (67) Philippe
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have never been one of the sharpest turnips in the MercoPress drawer…..................... but today you have really excelled.
You say at (55):
Puricelli- a hyphenated-Argentinean- is a big LIAR.
Argentina purchased 36 McDonnell Douglas A-4AR Fighting-hawks in 1999!
And further at (67):
The question is that Puricelli said that NO warplanes had been purchased since 1982. It's clear that he is a liar.
I say:
Why don’t you try to read and understand a text before commenting on it and embarrassing yourself?:
The ”Defense Secretary” said :
“People need to remember that Argentina has not purchased a war plane since the Malvinas War, which were 40-year-old Mirage planes…...
Yes......... But wich ”Defense Secretary” said that?
Lets continue reading ………………. Shall we?
“……. We have Typhoons, which are without a doubt the most advanced in the world, and have a base on the Falklands (Malvinas),” Hammond added.
This thread is a perfect example of the turnipidity of the British posters on MercoPress…
First British Mr. Anti-Fascist doing a ”Blue on Blue” on British Mr.ChrisR….
Then you insulting the Argentinean Defense Minister Arturo Puricelli for something the British Defense Secretary Philip Hammond said……
What a bunch of Turnips!
@75
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“..by trying to destroy ourfarming and our industry”.
Youve done that all of your own accord. Yet again the RG's blaming everyone else. You lot have a personality crisis. It involves persecution, victimisation and self loathing.
Buenos Aires = Self Pity City
Hammond´s words were simply idiotic; if Argentina is not a military threat at all, then why all the rant about the FI defense? We´ve spent the las months listening to a senseless chain of “OMG the Argies are comming back!!!!!! get me more carriers and planes !!!” from the UK and it was all ... not true ?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His words are further proof of how the UK gov is doing the same as the Arg gov: USING it for their own purposes, as well as (in the UK case) for lobby for defense, nothing else. In a serious place, Hammond would be fired by now.
@78
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no doubt that the statements from past UK admirals about defence cuts and how if the islands are attacked we will lose them and we have no weapons and fuck me the UK is knackered is totally driven by self interest. I cant deny that. The military in our country wish to waste money hand over fist on all of their pet projects and do not like any form of defence cuts.
However Hammond is right. The RG's have no credible military capability but the UK's weapons are state of the art.
This shit from this shady looking fucker from RG Land is just that - bull shit. If he doesnt know that we could take out military bases on the RG Mainland from thousands of miles away then he shouldnt be in the position that he is in because he would be totally clueless and inept.
the bloke to press the Tomahawk button on our nuclear subs is probably sitting in Southampton right now, smoking a cigarette and drinking a nice cup of tea just waiting for the order.
@If it so easy to take out things from 6,000 miles away like you claim the UK can, then why does the USA deploy ships only hundreds of miles if not closer from their military targets in operations like Lybia, Iraq, etc? You saying you have weapons the Americans aren't aware of? Interesting.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably something to do with the USA and the UK not just using Tomahawk missiles.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tomahawk can hit targets from thousands of miles away but warships don't just fire missiles in conflict zones they also provide area denial in sub surface, surface and air operations among other jobs.
“Argentina's Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli ... highlighted “serious suspicions” that Britain is using nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic region.”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we would know if the UK was exploding Bikini Atoll-type devices in the South West Atlantic.
We know from the contemporary history of Novaya Zemlya (Rus: Но́вая Земля́) that such tests are easily detected.
Perhaps the Minister's use of the word “using” has been lost in translation.
71 Anti-Fascist
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you read my post? Phillipe is thought to be a Brit (like British-Kirchner but at least he is open to it) who posts stupid anti-brit comments to wind us up.
Have you got it yet: I AM A BRIT YOU PILLOCK!
And now you have woken up 'I don't Think' to have a go at both of us. At least he knows who I am because I have slapped him around verbally over his outragious anit-brit posts.
Do try to keep up and not make yourself look stupid.
Apparently the British parliament was closed temporarily today, whilst the MPs, took a break, and a rest from laughing,
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently they laugh so much, most got cramp,
Apparently the European parliament was taken off air, due to exhausted laughing,
Even in the mighty states, many road accidents were reported because of laughing,
The whole world is laughing at you,
But sadly the argentine loyal bloggers cannot see the funny side of laughter against there empress, laugh laugh.
For Christ sake argie bloggers lighten up and have a laugh, and thy not,
You’re paying them,
Giggle giggle .
.
83 ChrisR
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Chris, just read this, my mistake.
Phillipe is one of the good guys, the Argies are always accusing them of not being Argentine, I assumed you were one.
@82 I know, it's amazing what sort of horse-sh!t comes out of Argentinian's mouths. First they say nuclear weapons, then it's nuclear capable.. then they just think up some other term. Forgetting that Brazil is making a nuclear sub for use in the South Atlantic, in addition to the purchase of a significant number of jets.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do they think we're creating sub-sea explosions or atmospheric? Like are these people taken seriously by other nations?
I heard that the Ohm cult set off an atomic device in the middle of Australia and the yanks could pick it up in Guam.
Argentina reiterates ‘serious suspicions’ about UK nuclear weapons in Falklands’ region....
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, now they have their reason to invade all they need now is the means....any volunteers ???
@87 I think the argies think that Tristan de Cunha is one big missile silo, and not a real volcano at all.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if it was, there could be a romance between...Tristan and Isolde! =)
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 080 TTT - simple - the nuclear missiles are called ICBMs - InterContinentalballisticMissiles - that is they have a long range of 6-8000miles or so.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other type of submarines fire CONVENTIONAL warheads like cruise missiles etc - these have a range of maybe up to 2000miles at the most I think, logically the closer you are the quicker the run in to the target and perhaps the easier it is to programme the target into the guidance system. I am just taking logical practical guesses here as am not an expert! But I bet I am more on target that Puricelli!
@22, no, incorrect yet again, the Spanish Armarda were defeated by a smaller navy with bigger canons, they were able so shoot further, then sail back, and shoot again before the spanish could reach them.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see History is not your strong point, well, u are a Malvinist after-all
Well, whatever, I don't really care about the Armada or Spanish/English conflicts. All I know about it is that the bigger Spanish ships were hit terribly hard by weather and the British used smaller nimble ships to set them fire.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be nice if the British here stopped talking about Argentina altogether though, which you know nothing about and only sets you guys up as ignorant fools.
92 Troll
Apr 01st, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the bigger Spanish ships were hit terribly hard by weather”
No that should read “cannon balls” from the better prepared navy. Ah it was “The weather”... maybe God was on our side after all :)
After all God gave us the greatest nation and the most beautiful countryside in the world.
Argentine is full of fascistic hate mongers and ignorant shits who believe anything their government tell them and will do anything right or wrong in the name of the fatherland and Argentina - murder their own people, invade other peoples land, wage war on each other and their neighboring countries, kill the Indians and rob their neighbors.
There is nothing wrong with the fact you love your country side. Good for you.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for your Argentina lies: any further lies you want to artlessly foist? The only hateful person here is you and your troop. Sorry.
There were many reasons why the Spanish Armada failed.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The weather certainly didn't help the Dons.
“And God sent the wind & they were scattered”
English,(not British) superior technology & seamanship.
As someone pointed out, the English had faster, more seaworthy ships with a sharper keel than the Spanish monsters that rolled excessively in rough weather.
The English had superior longer range guns & could keep out of the Spaniards' range while delivering their own broadsides.
lt has recently come to light, that partly because of Sir Francis Drake's raid on Cadiz in 1587 & the disruptions that it caused the Spaniards, one of the things that the Dons were short of were large cannon balls for their bigger guns.
To save time & because they had plenty of smaller cannon balls, whilst casting the larger balls they dropped a smaller ball into the mould.
The metal didn't bond & when the ball was fired & on the rare occasion that it hit an English ship, the iron shattered & would not penetrate.
The Spanish Fleet carried more Priests than Gunners.
(And plenty of nooses to hang & garotte ALL non-catholic Englishmen & boys, if the lnvasion was successful---how charming!)
During the fireship attack of Gravelines, the Spaniards cut their anchor ropes in their haste to escape & left their anchors behind.
The spare anchors that they carried were not up to the Atlantic gales & off the coast of lreland often snapped-----as l said, inferior technology.
There is more, but owing to the plans that they had for us if they had succeded, l don't feel in the least sorry for them.
My pity goes to the horses & mules that they carried.
lt must have been hell on earth for those animals, trapped bellow decks in a heaving rolling galleon with very little food & no water & maybe even loose cargo & damaged spars rolling back & forth, breaking legs & trapping them up against bulkheads.
Man's inhumanity again.
@95 More evidence that a smaller well trained and well equipped force will always defeat the larger bloated low-tech force.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0for example: 2000 good personnel on the Falklands v.s. 40'000 mullet-wearing armed nazis in Argentina.
@96 Careful, the idiot TTT will probably try tell us the weather in 1982 won the war from us.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT - Why still using EU farming subsidies as your argument for argentina trae restrictions, even with us subsidizing the farming sector in the EU argentina and other developing nations still have a healthy competitive advantage. It us still cheaper and more profitable to buy agricultural goods from argentina and sell in EU then it is to buy EU agricultural goods and produce to sekk in the EU. I already pointed this out to you in the WTO thread, subsidies do not restrict trade or effect argentine farming industry as you sill have the competitive advantage. So yur argument is mute and invalid and you have no evidence to back up your claim that our farming subsidies damage argentine farming sector, as they clearly do not.
WE COULD NUKE ARGENTINA FROM LONDON IF WE WANTED TO. We don't want to, we have no intention of doing so. Now STFU this is getting really boring. Idiots.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Truth avoiding toll.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops - I miss spelled Jellicoe.
Get your facts straight about history - I would suggest reading some independent nations textbooks on it as yours are full of lies and distortion.
Get over the fact that no matter what we did in the past (bad as well as good) that your nation is not whiter than white.
You conquered the land you live on, comitting genocide to do so.
You Annexed territory belonging to Paraguay after the tripple alliance war, You grabbed an island from Uruguay.
You tried to annex part of the mainland of Uruguay leading to the platine war and you tried to force chile to give you land in the beagle channel area in the 70s/80s coming to the brink of aggressive war over it.
Then add the invasion of the falklands in 82 to the list and follow up with the attempts to isolate the islands by means of a blockade.
Your history is hardly that of a peacesful state minding it's own business. If you were someone like Iceland complaining (ignoring the cod wars) I might actually think you had a moral point.
NO SURRENDER to Argentine aggression, no negotiation with facist imperialists.
100
Apr 01st, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chicle chicle
Either the prat is deliberately trying to stir up trouble where none exists, the most likely situation, or he really is so stupid, like some posters here, that he actually believes we're psychopathic mass murderers just waiting for a chance to loose off a few Trident nuclear warheads in the direction of Argentina when they least expect it :)) Idiot.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99
Apr 01st, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Get your facts straight about history -”
Would you for once do us the honours to start?
The “Cisplatine war” (not platine), was wage by Argentina to liberate Uruguay from Brazilian occupation, and we won. Uruguay was kicked out, we invaded southern Brazil, but Argentina having fought 4 wars in 20 years at the time (independence war, Invasion of Chile and Peru, the support for patriots in North and Central America, an internal war, and then the Cisplatine), we were bankrupt and could not take Brazil on any further north. So the war was ended by Brazil agreeing to never take Uruguay again.
#96 “More evidence that a smaller well trained and well equipped force will always defeat the larger bloated low-tech force.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for example:” RESPECT versus Labour in Bradford West =)
He knows very well that there are no British nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic. He's just trying to stir things up by finding any excuse to keep the issue in the public domain.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone reading these posts actually believing that the UK would consider the use of nuclear weapons, are off their tiny little heads They probably also believe that the moon is made of cheese and that Argentina has a legitimate democracy.
@ 93: you´ve got to be kidding
Apr 01st, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine is full of fascistic hate mongers and ignorant shits who believe anything their government tell them” Really? full of them? where? I´m there and I see no one. btw, I´m argentine and I DO NOT believe what the gov. say - NOTHING AT ALL -
“kill the indians” OMG, do you say the same when you see an american, an australian, etc? spare me you hypocrisy, please. If you really want to bring the “imperialist” term over this table, you´ll end up hurt, British EMPIRE boy ...
“wage war” is the most common British attitude nowadays, check this or any other forum where this topic is debated. Some of you seem to be wishing a war. Are things doing so bad in your CURRENT wars ?
“rob their neighbours” ??? who ?when? did you really buy chilean ultranationalistic BS fueled by peace-loving & honest pinochet (a dictator, pal of you back in 1982, remeber?) that “evil argentina stole our land”. That´s the biggest lie from those scary `invincible´ posers.
Do some research before making yourself look like a total fool. Or at least try to use some common sense.
Thanks.-
“Argentine is full of fascistic hate mongers and ignorant shits who believe anything their government tell them”
Apr 01st, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's actually full of neo-fascist hate-mongers. They refer to themselves as the third political position, but it's essentially neo-fascism. Hallmarks of this are ultra-nationalism, neo-collonialism (telling peru what to do) and expansionism. They even have their very own hitler youth organisation Le Camping and it's own black-shirts.
Argentina did steal Chile's land, in the southern patagonian ice fields and tierra del fuego. Then they supported Bolivia in claiming back the land they lost in the war of the pacific. Argentinians fail to understand about losing land in war.
You're just a bit simple, like one of those simple people.
do people have a right to choose who rules them
Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do people who have lived on an island for over 150 years have the right to choose who rules them.
do we live in a democracy or a dictatorship,
in a democracy the people of the Falklands, or anywhere else, that have lived peacefully for over 150 years has a right to choose who rules them.
a dictatorship, decides who rules you,
the islanders have freely and democratically voted to remain British, [democracy]
Argentina refuses this , and demands that they must be ruled by Argentina [against their free will]
this is dictatorship
,,,,,,,,,,,,
you decide,
@ 106 GreekYoghurt
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0- I can´t believe you really bought that, but even if that´s true, time to suck it up for Chile, as we should do with the FI.
- Le camping is not a hitler youth at all: they are either relatives of people killed during the last military gov. or kids addcited to this gov. and their BS, for the only goal to get a position on it or a highly rewarded office in a public company (google Aerolineas + la campora). Their loyalty will last untill the last check ;)
- I´m simple, cool; rather than that being a Hypocrite, a duoble-standard or. G-d forbid, a Camping kid.
I have a pretty particular position when it coment to the FI, I actually agree with you that land lost over a war is a lost land, period. If Arg had any chance to get the islands back it was self-ruined by the 1982 move.
Now the “adult” thing to fo is to acknowledge that, and to build a mutually-benefical relationship with the people living down there. We don´t need to be friends to have business, but by being enemies we´re getting nothing. Self determination? sure, why not.
I hope this simple man made it really clear and simple for you and the rest here.
@truth avoiding troll- LOL again.....I will even do a malvinero o1 jajakakahaha....your country was FINISHED.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are very economical with the truth are'nt you - you just about managed to turn history about 180 degrees in your post. Where did you learn how to do that? - George Orwells ministry of truth?
Too easy -
1)YOU tried to get control over Uruguay.
2) YOU LOST. Unless of course the Brazilian troops who marched through Buenas Ares on 20th Feb 1853 were on a sight-seeing and tango dancing holiday.
I reiterate my ‘serious suspicions’ that Cristina Kirchner is Adolf Eichmann's secret love child.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0110 Skåre
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, Cristina Kirchner IS Adolf Eichmann after a sex change operation and a face lift
@111 toooldtodieyoung
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I really can promise you that the Israelis captured him and executed him just over 50 years ago ... after Argentina had knowingly sheltered the genocidal maniac for 15 years.
@102 Truth_Twisting_Troll “we were bankrupt and could not take Brazil on any further north. So the war was ended”
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So nothing's changed :))
”For (Argentina), force is the right of the ignorant”
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shock! horror! Argentinian minister acknowledges that his predecessors were ignorant!
@ DJ56:
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let´s add another rule to GreekYoghurt´s `le camping´ book of rules
(he´ll put the number)
“Everything done before we took office is wrong & evil, even if we were there supporting it”
like those who like the Malvinas belong to Argentina .. IF YOU WANT TO BE BRITISH? andate to EUROPE, the question is so simple ... or another solution would be a missile to the islands and the islanders die .. and inhabit the Argentine English total of europe wants to live on the islands of shit ...
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116 jhon davids
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shall we mark that down as another failure for Google Translate .. or just for the Argentinian indoctrination system they jokingly refer to as 'education'?
jhon davids,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a pinhead.
they do say, that a million minute fools live on a pin head,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and all indocrinated .
HMS Dauntless left Plymouth today for the South Atlantic. Can not wait to hear from them about that. No doubt she is packed to the roof wtih Megathermanuclear devices capable of destroying S Amercia a million times over. Maybe not, but thats what the idiots will say, it's as predictable as rain falling from the sky.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please join -
Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep the Falklands British -
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
10:Reality Check.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuclear submarines are occasionally passing through or down the South Atlantic, obviously. It's an international highway. The US has visits by at least one submarine to its Antarctic base.
I have 'serious suspicions' that Argentina is run by a bunch of self-deluded morons.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK has realised that she won't be El Presidente for ever, so she is determined to destroy Argentina before she goes. She has pissed off her South American neighbours, she lies to her own people about the state of the economy, she pisses off the WTO, she is frightening away legitimate investors and businesses (that might just save the economy), by threatening to nationalise them or by putting ridiculous fines or taxes on them.
Yup, definitely self-deluded morons. As when the sh!t hits the fan, the beloved El Presidente will vamoosh out or Argentina, laughing all the way to her Swiss Bank Account.
To the Argentian people, buy US$ as your own money will soon be worthless bits of paper.
#123 Waht a complete misreading of the situation. Unlike Elizabeth II, my Queen is perfectly aware she can't just die in office no questions asked, she will be judged democratically on her ability; on that count, she deserves a few more terms =) Whats happening now is that as her policies affect more and more vested interests, enemies and dark forces are trying to undermine her project and wreck the country. I hope she pulls through, you hope she won't, but at least lets get whats going on right
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@124. If that's the case why is she deliberately trying to drive Argentina into bankrupcy?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0She and her government are annoying your supposed allies in South America; Uruguay, Chile and Brazil. They have annoyed the World Trade Organisation by not following the rules. They have imposed stupid taxes or fines onto companies, those that they're not threatening to nationalise anyway. They lie about inflation, try to ban foreign books, impose equal import/export tarriffs that only hurt Argentia. These hurt Argentina most because foreign companies won't invest as it is too expensive and/or they are worried the government will steal it from them.
These policies are lunacy, so you say that CFK and her government are trying to destroy Argentina, the facts actually appear to say otherwise.
Shouting about the Falklands will only distract people for so long. Remember this old saying:
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you CAN'T fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.”
Kirchner's days are numbered. Unfortunately the people of Argentina will be the ones to suffer when her pack of lies implode in, leaving a bankrupt country in it's wake.
#125 Or, she might win against the right wing interest groups and elites arrayed against her, and deepen the people-centric model. But to you that would be even worse than bankruptcy wouldn't it?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126. Now I have serious suspicions about your sanity.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can destroying Argentinas economy help Argentina in any way? The world is in a recession, and instead of encouraging growth and foreign investment that can only help Argentina's economy, the Argentine government is curtailing it and frightening investment away. No political saavy or plan in the world could make this work. Argentina has huge natural resources at it's disposal that would make it one of the richest countries in South America, or maybe even the world, but you don't invest in it's development, and piss off the companies that are trying to exploit it on Argentina's behalf.
You say that CFK is defending against right wing interest groups and elites. It doesn't make sense, especially as you can't get much more right wing than the current Government in Argentina. In fact if you imagine the political scope to be a circle and not a straight line you find the liberals in the middle. The further to the left or right you go the more extreme the views become, but as you go further around the circle both the right and left merge to become a dictatorship. There never was much difference between a facist or communist dictatorship, they just use different arguments to justify their existence, but their policies are essentially the same.
But either way, if the Argentine government doesn't do something sensible very soon, the Argentine economy will be FUBAR'd (if it isn't already too late). And if that happens it's good bye CFK and her cronies.
“the companies that are trying to exploit it on Argentina's behalf”
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they're not doing it on Argentina's behalf, but only on their OWN behalf, nd exploit is exactly the right word for it, thats the ABC of capitalism really. Why if such national natural resources exist do you think they'll go to waste if no profit is being made on them by the very western multinational intersts that CAUSED THE RECESSION that you mention?
“you can't get much more right wing than the current Government in Argentina”
lol
“if you imagine the political scope to be a circle and not a straight line you find the liberals in the middle”
I know liberals believe that, and you seem very (neo)liberal; I however am not a liberal but a socialist, and don't agree with that theory.
“the right and left merge to become a dictatorship”
But there are left (and right - UK for all its other faults) governments that are totally not dictarorships. My Queen is NOT A DICTATOR, she only rules because the people recognise that she is by far the brightest star in the poltical firmament, and her policies are what the people have been fighting for, including against real dictatorships, for decades
128 British_Kirchnerist
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think now is the time to go and seek psychiatric help.
If you really are a Scot living in the UK your behavioue is beyond that of any reasonable person to the point of psychosis which, if left untreated, will result in permanent mental health problems.
@128 - if CFK is the brightest star in Argentine politics then they are in bigger trouble than I previously thought.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll try to explain this in words of one syllable so you can understand. Nope I can't as Argentina is a 4 syllable word, so I'll try to keep it simple.
Argentina engaged a Brazilian (not western) company to drill for gas, oil etc... The Argentine government sells this company licenses to do this and this generates income and the government gets a percentage of the revenue.
This particular model appears to work all over the world to the mutual benefit of both the governments and the companies. But for some reason, your beloved Queen, decided to renege on these licenses, so no drilling, means no income and throws in the added bonus of pissing off Brazil who is supposed to be Argentina's ally.
It is economic lunacy. Time will certainly tell whether your beloved CFK's policies are inspired or insane.
I put money on insane...I think it's a sure bet and I have a feeling I won't have to wait too long to find out.
130 - LEPRecon - Tragically, CFK actually IS Argentina's brightest star in politics. By a very wide margin. Food for thought, isn't it?
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@131 Worrying is more like it. As time goes on I feel more and more sorry for the Argentinian people, who will be the one's to suffer when the economy melts down.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't feel sorry for them.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They nearly all back their government's ridiculous “claims” for the Falklands.
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