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Rioters attack UK embassy in Buenos Aires with stones, sticks and gasoline bombs
Argentine radical groups fought several hours with riot police in Buenos Aires protecting the British embassy on the 30th anniversary of the beginning of the Falklands/Malvinas war between Argentina and the UK. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe scum have just realized that they lost the Falkland conflict that they started, its only taken thirty years for the news to come out that they lost
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fifteen months later the military regime behind the invasion of the Falklands collapsed and Argentina elected a democratic government, which it enjoys since then, including the violent radical groups. ”
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL... though 15 months? Doesn't seem like a direct cause and effect to me, given the mythology the Brits have built (only to fool themselves), that it was the war that sent the Junta packing.
(It was the Junta knowing they were about to be sent packing that cause the war). But lets not get the facts to hinder the legend.
LOL!
Stop Press! (Montevideo) - Huge demo outside British Embassy in Monty. All eleven participants stated they dislike the British
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's do it again next weekend and again the weekend after and and again the week after that, as a matter of fact let's meet at the embassy every week after going to dance and spill our drunken frustration at the british embassy until the day the pirats go home.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop Press! (Montevideo). One of the eleven anti-British demonstrators stated to police that actually he quite fancies Pippa.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The old bloody rubbish english people and its goverment have the right to stop diplomatic relations, packed their bags and hit the road back to the UK. What they are waiting for?
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure why the members of the Quebracho were there, other than to get into the headlines or incite riot. I think most of the general public here don't really care enough to go down to the British embassy.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The peace loving people of Argentina.....with their respect for human rights.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 Well said, your drunken frustration, your impotence and you incapacity to do something in the real world :)
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3 what happens ynsere? Why are you repeating “ileven”? Are you trying to show that in Argentina only eleven people hate de British? Are you worried the British hate you? hahaha malvinista cobarde, bancatelá :)
@ What happened? Did Tacitus change you for a woman?
@6 “old bloody rubbish english”
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you an indian or pakistani person? You talk like George Khan in the movie 'east is east'.
What a bunch of clowns and frustrated losers. What do they do next, kiss and cuddle whilst crying into their Quilmes? Pathetic.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair the Argentine police did seem to be giving the idiots a well-deserved kicking. Apparently they get plenty of practice dealing with hysterical violent retards: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/dec/03/argentina-football-violence
The Falkland Islanders must be watching this, and thinking that these are just the sort of people they need to bring a bit of excitement to their quiet and peaceful islands. Who could ask for nicer neighbours?
@ 3 - WOW. A whole ELEVEN PEOPLE!!!! STOP THE PRESS! That's a record turnout for a protest isn't it? It's heartwarming to see such a huge number of people care about Argentina's whining.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How sad. We lost the war and now we're going to cry and burn flags. Wah!!! This is even more embarrassing than Afghan protests. This is low, even for Argentina. Thugs and alcoholics all turn out to support their beloved leader, KFC.
This is the equivalent of Iraqis protesting about being kicked out of Kuwait in the 1990s.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 - Dear Xbarilox - My screen says “eleven”. The problem must be at your end. Actually, if you read carefully you'll see that I was referring to the “huge” demonstration, 11-strong, in Montevideo. This city, like myself, is not Argentine. I'm not sure what a “Malvinista” is, but for the record I'm pro-democracy and freedom, and completely against Argentina's foreign policies, particularly those regarding the Falklands.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 02 Troll
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes Troll it's all mythology, the Junta went away because they got tiered of torturing, raping and then murdering pricks like you!
In there place came another form of fascist junta, an “elected” one, note the word “elected” is in inverted commas because Argentine elections are not like normal elections in the West....
Asi es como el Gobierno compra VOTOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
Also please note other nations that elect husband and wife dynasty's to power -
Kazakhstan
Sudan
Guatemala
Philippines
Thailand
Bangladesh
Ghana
Malaysia
Argentina - down there with some of the most corrupt and badly governed nations on Earth.
In fairness I should mention America - but then what the Bush's and Clinton's have done to America should speak for itself!
Falklands for the Falklanders (Kelpers)! Neither does Argentina have the right neither does UK.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 05 ynsere
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0What male entity in the universe wouldn’t fancy Pippa ???
Typical Argentine lowlife thuggery.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical paid by FKC government Argentine lowlife thuggery
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on folks, these are a very small minority and its not like the UK doesn't have its minority thugs either.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets just class this as a non-story and move on.
In Britain : dignified commemorations reflecting on the loss of life on both sides.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina : let's smash up an Embassy and set fire to a flag in front of the watching world.
Glad to see they're giving peace a chance!
It wouldn't surprise me if there was someone in the government who knew about this. “There are no official reports of arrests or injured” mmmm! Staged!!! what is the one target that the Argentine government can easily get at? The British embassy. And what better way than to get some “Rioter” to smash it up on your behalf.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet KFC is behind this.
Ah, so that's where Maximo's mates were.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Second time they have been flag burning outside the British Embassy in two months.
@17 Think.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind the demonstrators though it does strike me as a business opportunity, non-flammable national flags!), but you're right, Pippa is a top babe.
@20 Xect
You are right, we've plenty like these but we need more like Pippa!
no no highly flammable flags .
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0your not burning my flag I just sold it you . Your burning your flag would you like to buy another?:)
It is very normal that the people's reaction to British Embassy if caused up some spying activities there ...............
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0How very Argentine!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shows you the distinct cultural similarity between Argentinians and Iranians.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0A friend of mine rented an apartment opposite the British Embassy about ten weeks ago. I mentioned at the time she might like to reconsider..........
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK, some people wish to make their points - whatever they are;
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0no report of what they protest about.
OK, the authorities allow it, within bounds - accepting casualties, because it suits the national rhetoric.
But the pic. is of a staged 'photo-opportunity'
- middle-class housewives with cameras,
- and children learning the politically-acceptable way to demonstrate and the nuance about what is and is not acceptable to the state.
...... so finely-tuned it's almost British!
What underlies all this third-world lashing-out from third-world Argentina is the fact that they have to divert millions upon millions of education Euros (donated by the EU) into 'persuading' their own people, and people of other countries, that the Falklands are somehow theirs.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK spends no money at all on illuminating people about Falklands sovereignty.
And yet, even up against this clear marketing/propaganda bias the British moral and ethical based argument wins every single time, regardless.
That's got to annoy the socks off some hairy Argtards.
Worse than animals. At least animals can justify some of their actions
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0( 31 )
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some hairy Argtards live always in your dreams/mind ..... ??????
@32 the women and children burning the flag don't even know how to get it the right way up.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like, seriously.. if you put it the wrong way up it's not the union flag any longer, it's just a sign of distress.
Argtards.
The funny thing is that these Argentinian retards don't even realise that the UK, unlike Argentina and various other pisspot states, doesn't even get hung up about their flag being defaced. Hell, take a trip to London and you can even buy union flag jockstraps :)
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wipe your arse on an Argentinian flag though and you create a major diplomatic incident.
This is simply RENT A CROWD performing. They are all over.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all CFK has got to give the unemployed work. Possibly they were given meal coupons afterwards.
@4 Yeah, let's missile Buenos Aires into rubble. As a first step!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 There are at least 40 million hairy argtards. Not enough medication in the world. Therefore extermination is the only answer.
Argentina's emotional maturity toward the Islands can be resumed with following video:
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JK8kLutCWE&feature=related
How embarrassing! I have said many time these people are not civilized, they're a bunch of uneducated animals.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't wait until this rent-a-mob turns on CFK. It is not going to be long now. She better keep the helicopter close and a plane to Caracas on standby.
“How embarassing” ???? No mention of mobs British Chavs and hooligans rampaging through the streets of major UK cities only a matter of months ago, looting and destroying all in their path with no political or nationalist notions whatsoever.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that I condone in any way what happened here yesterday, but really?? does the addage “People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones” mean nothing????
How much food do they get for each flag burned? Does anyone know?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 How can you denigrate animals like that?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 040. Obviously you don't understand the difference between civil disobedience and a rent-a-mob attacking a sovereign nation's property. These armed and hooded animals attacked an EMBASSY that by custom and treaty your government has sworn to protect.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians are nothing but hopped up teenagers trying to play with the big boys.
Attacking someone's embassy could lead to war. I think UK should send a couple missals into BA and teach these low lifes that there are consequences to their actions. Blow up Casa Rosada...happy anniversary!
@yankeeboy
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you take the time to look at the newsreel of what happened you will notice some chas in uniform, they are called “Policemen” and they were in attendance to protect said property. You will also notice that, as in most similar cases, this was a peaceful demonstration marred by a handfull of idiots. Lets get things into some kind of prospective shall we??
Let's also not forget the riots in London a short while ago. Was there anything political in these riots?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One day CFK and her cronies will be out of office and Argentina will, hopefully, have a proper government and not one that loots and steals from the fiscus.
It's amazing how some people always choose the worst possible governments.
Yes, I cry for you Argentina.
Please note the numbers: 2000 left wing protesters; 200 Quebracho hooligans.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither of these groups represent the whole Argentine people, most of us know that the Falkland claim is absolute BS, and is only used to hide the true situation of the country from us.
The majority of the Argentine people wish to return to the real world and not go on living in the dream world Mrs Kirchner has woven for the gullible.
45 Ozgood
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland's are British
Don't Cry for us Argentina
The truth is you never
Owned us.
So when the 2000 Le Camping protesters and 200 Quebracho terrorists were trying to break into a sovereign Embassy that's supposed to be protected by the Argtard lazy-police, what food were they hoping to find?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did someone spread a rumour about there being some bread and cheese in there? or maybe a cake?
Starving third-world protestors make the worst rioters.
@ 17 no se puede creer lo cobarde que sos. Pero al menos uno se da cuenta de que entendés que hacer lo que ustedes hacen, no es darle una oportunidad a la paz. La tenés adentro, y todo eso por cobarde. That is all you have to say, you can change it. You've done it all, and you can't pretend you are innocent. Coward.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 14 Ok ynsere, my apologies for the confusion. I thought you were a Malvinista.
@26 MurkyThick “normal reaction” You people are beyond hope.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder Argentina's such a mess. It takes a special kind of ineptitude and stupidity to steal a large, fertile resource rich landmass, cram most of your population into squalid overcrowded slums, and then spent most of your time murdering each other over your not-very-good football teams, and bleating and crying over imagined ownership of inhabited Islands thousands of miles away which have been populated and peaceful for hundreds of years. Not hard to see how such a country would spawn those flag burning morons. God help you.
44. TTT or Ogara or Tobias or whoever you are today. I lived in BA for many yrs and except for the pot bangers and the vigil for Axel Blumberg every single protest gets violent. I have seen people pulled from cars, shop windows broken MILLIONS of damage done by chavistas (Ks) in MDP. I could go on and on.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You people are nothing but ignorant hooligans not fit for polite society.
Watching Third-world people going about their business is quite interesting though. The savages seem to enjoy jumping about and burning things with a new thing they found that they refer to as 'fuego' in the savage-language.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are quite interesting to observe.
( 50 )
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a very need to have a Margareth Thatcher to punish Hooligans
or.....................................................................................................
There is a very need to have a Competent Teacher to educate Hooligans.
(51) Fredbdc
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“You people are nothing but ignorant hooligans not fit for polite society.”
I say:
And that's why you married a bleached Argie girl?
Did she spawn you any chicanitos yet?
Chuckle chuckle®
@10 Greek Yoghurt(#)
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a female argentine citizen residing in the US and Sudamerica. I repeat, if the UK goverment and citizens feel offended by the sudamerican leader actions against the British Embassy then the UK have the choice to stop diplomatic relations immediately.
What the UK is waiting for?
Sussie#55,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think it was the Argentinian Presidenta - or her forces - that shouted and burned a flag outside the British Embassy. The tried to protect the embassy against the Argentinian people - and they suffered injuries as a result.
If foreign governments stopped diplomatic relations and withdrew each time a flag was burned, few countries would have face to face diplomatic contact.
You just have to appear civilised and be above such 'street' actions.
But if embassies are blown up - like the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, then vicious reprisals would be called for.
@56 To be honest, seeing neo-fascist peronists burning the Union flag is a good thing, it means you're doing something right.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 You cannot be in two places. So what you're telling us is that you abandoned life in Argentina, presumably because it's a third-world sh!t hole with suitably third-world political ideologies and rampant corruption. After abandoning Argentina for a life in the USA you don't feel completely American and feel partially not a member, so you look back to your old country and feel guilt and regret about abandoning it so easily. In order to deal with the guilt you come here to support people who similarly abandoned Argentina by saying invading someone else's territory is good, and self-determination is bad. This is even with the fact the USA was built on self-determination.
I can see your motivation for being here.
@55 Residing in the U.S. and Argentina? Wow, you must have a lot of money and are able to have homes in multiple countries? Sounds nice. I don't suppose it could be that life in Argentina just wasn't good enough so you had to go somewhere else? Naw, it couldn't be that.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another example of RG thuggery is the destruction of YPF. I said about a month ago is they will legislate this out of business then take over whatever is remaining. As with all of my predictions it is exactly what is happening and I hope the Spanish retaliate. Evil Evil People.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 55 you are a malvinista who doesn't live in Argentina, like all the malvinistas, they don't live in Argentina. So I'm the only Argentine who lives in Argentina hahaha You are trash, like all your family friends and people you love. How's life in the USA? Of course when things get really bad in Argentina you'll be here to help, will you? You have it inside, susy, a big one. ¿En qué mundo vivís, pelotudísima susy? ¿Te creés que los británicos se ofenden por lo que ustedes hacen con una bandera? Flor de patriota vos, ante los problemas, te escapaste de Argentina.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, have you been busy removing those nails from the imaginary coffin you keep prattling on about? It certainly seems like UK is getting the diplomacy advantage over nutter CFK. All your whining and complaining I bet she can't figure out why so many doors are getting shut in her face. It must be sad and embarrassing to be from a horrible place no one cares about.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In most places, when you lose a war, you've lost a war. In Argentina, when you've lost a war, you've not lost a war.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That tells you a lot about Argentina (t'is a sh!t place)
Hello Everyone,
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIRST, to:
34 GreekYoghurt. As a former British, professional soldier –who joined the army as a boy soldier at the tender age of 14 years and subsequently served in the Korean War– I can tell you with some authority that the practice of flying an inverted union flag as a sign of distress, is a COMPLETE MYTH!
SECOND, to everyone:
Frankly, from the general tenor of the messages posted here, I gain the distinct impression that far too many of the contributors –from both sides of the dispute– are simply excessively vociferous cretins. In suitably simple words, that’s to say: ignorant bigheads, whose principal intent is nothing more than that of scoring as many as possible, cheap, pseudo dialectic points from the adversary. To me, most of you seem like toddlers arguing in a kindergarten playground and I wonder if any one of you has ever had the misfortune to hold a mortal weapon in his hands and been compelled to use it to its full effect?
In the so-called Third World, more than TWENTY THOUSAND children die, each and every day –simply for the lack of the cheapest, basic foodstuffs and the least expensive medicines. But most of these “ill-fated infants” live in countries that have neither petroleum nor other properly regulated, valuable natural resources which may be shamelessly exploited to further engorge the omnipotent multinationals’ already bulging coffers –SO HARDLY ANYONE GIVES SHIT ABOUT THOSE KIDS’ UNUTTERABLY PITIFUL PLIGHT!
As an old man who has lived in many parts of the world, I reckon we ought to feel ashamed of the whole human race and reflect that –if we don’t curb our voracious appetite for material wealth– the time will soon arrive when there’ll nobody left to care about who owns what. For we shall have turned our productive, global farmlands into infertile, sterile desserts!
I’m sure this missive will earn me quite a lot of “stick” –speaking of which– may I say that many years’ ago, I endured the Franco’s “internationally supporte
29 ElaineB (#) If she rented on Agote she had no problem. I was at the embassy today and the “Quebracho” group didn't get near so instead they damaged apartments and shops in the vicinity (inhabited by Argentines obviously). These left wing thugs couldn't give a damn who they are damaging as long as they are damaging something or someone; some police had to be taken off in ambulances as well. The demo was along Av Pueyrredon.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63 It's not a myth, it's just not a great sign of distress, so rarely used. Also, being a soldier or aged doesn't make you an expert vexillologist, or any kind of authority on flag code. I guess you've just never seen it used as a sign of distress in any of your expeditions.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Age isn't important. However, you should read the comments again. Many of them discuss widespread poverty in South America caused by corruption and a skewed wealth distribution. Yes, poverty exists in Europe, but our definition of poverty typically means you have nothing to eat but chicken kievs and you spend all day watching whats on a pleb murdoch-box. In Argentina, poverty means you die, like most of their indigenous population.
Nice comment JimHandley!
Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with the ZA comentator at (66)
Apr 04th, 2012 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@64 Thanks for that. I shall drop her an email anyway. : )
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0*Jim* & Greek,
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0you both see the same world - as do I.
Think is a bit 'off the wall' with a wicked pointy stick, but he is OK.
Elaine is the matador to his bull,
and there are plenty of thinking people on the site who have 'positions' on the issues of the day - some use words like weapons, but better to use words than weapons.
G.
That is awfully aggressive and hostile for a country that only wants peace....
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 065 GreekYoghurt:
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It's not a myth, it's just not a great sign of distress, so rarely used. Also, being a soldier or aged doesn't make you an expert vexillologist, or any kind of authority on flag code. I guess you've just never seen it used as a sign of distress in any of your expeditions”
Perhaps you should GUESS less and learn to deal in FACTS. And, if you’re so SURE of your affirmations, why hide them behind a ‘sexually suggestive’ pseudonym?
By the way, ‘Vexillolgist’ ain’t in the OED but I understand your feeling VEXED but you ain’t the only person in the world, Mate!
“Yes, poverty exists in Europe, but our definition of poverty typically means you have nothing to eat but chicken kievs and you spend all day watching whats on a pleb murdoch-box. In Argentina, poverty means you die, like most of their indigenous population”.
Been there and seen it. You’re perfectly right but that doesn’t alter the FACTS.
¡Un abrazo muy gordo, hermano!
Jim, in Madrid.
Please join -
Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep the Falklands British -
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
@55
Apr 04th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read a blog on this forum where someone suggested that the Argentine government could have withdrawn police protection or even orchestrated the demonstration. If that was the case then the UK would have no other option than to withdraw their diplomatic staff for their safety. Then, if there was suspicion of Argentine government collusion, the UK would have no other option other than to expel Argentine diplomatic staff from the UK. I believe that is the accepted international response. As with the recent events in Iran. It follows then, that given that precedence, other countries friendly to the UK,
would take some form of diplomatic sanctions against Argentina. I would certainly expect the UK government to approach their allies for such action. This is why I put no credence in that blog. After all it would not be in Argentines best interest.
As for you being an Argentine citizen living in the US. I can think of only two reasons why I would live in another country. Firstly, it would be to accompany my partner. Secondly, it would be to have a better life for myself and my family.
If the latter applies to you, I rather think it's a bit hypocritical to spout the ideals of a country you no longer live in. I do not like to get personal, but thats my view. The world is full of expatriots who spout the wonders of their
homeland, yet do not see the hypocracy of their views. If a land is so wonderful, why would anyone chose to leave it. Before anyone starts to talk about scots, irish, Italian and other emmigrations in the past, I am talking in the context of the reality of todays world, not about the injustices of the past. Which had absolutely nothing to do with me.
69 GeoffWard2
Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but I don’t understand what you mean –no offence intended, of course.
2nd PART OF MY TRUNCATED INTRODUCTORY MISSIVE.
I’m sure this missive will earn me a lot of “stick” –speaking of which– many years’ ago, I endured the Franco’s “internationally supported blockade” of Gibraltar (a cynical exercise; exclusively effected to boost the then discredited dictator’s moral authority to “his” people) However, times MAY change for the better! So it’s probably NOT prudent to propagate too much ill will and thereby, hamper the chances of such a felicitous possibility. The most appropriate response to ANY foreign provocation is that of the time tested stratagem: “Talk SOFTLY and carry a BIG stick!” –“Prevention is better than cure”, “A stitch in time saves nine” (and similar old wives tales, ad nauseam)
After leaving the army in the late 1950’s, I became bored by working as an Electronics Tech and decided to study Spanish literature and culture. Little did I think that such a insignificant step would lead to my marrying a Spaniard and to an international career in broadcasting and telecommunications, principally in Africa and The Americas. So now I have the good fortune to count a number of “Latina/os” among my dearest friends. Also –although born in Oxfordshire– I’m of Welsh descent and must confess empathy for my “compatriots” in Patagonia. They’ve been there for more than 150 years; yet they’ve managed to cohabit reasonably happily with Argentineans of other ethnic origins. Or should I say that the unfortunate Argentineans have to tolerated those mad Celtic, hymn singing sods? –most of whom still speak, sing and pray in Welsh, to this very day!
Finally, I note that some Mercosur reports are inaccurately translated into English. In peaceful times, such usually minor mistakes wouldn’t matter too much. However, in the current hostile ambience, perhaps a greater rigour IS required?
Jim, in Madrid, Spain.
Argentina, how low class have you become? - Millet USA
Apr 04th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 Millet (#) Don't rub it in!!! They are the descendants of the illiterate immigrants that arrived end of 19th century and up to middle of 20th century, mixed with a cross with local amerindians
Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 076 Tim
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re:
75 Millet (#) Don't rub it in!!! They are the descendants of the illiterate immigrants that arrived end of 19th century and up to middle of 20th century, mixed with a cross with local amerindians
For Gawd’s sake, Mate, Get real! If you’re capable only of uttering gratuitous insults and unable to contribute anything remotely intellectually interesting to our debate, for Christ’s sake, do PLEASE stop speaking out of your idiotic arse!
We are ALL descendents of the “great unwashed, illiterate masses”. So what?
In “The West”, those of my generation learned in primary school, that God made Adam and Eve, to be the primogenitors of all human beings. I am NOT a believer but it’s perhaps an irony that modern DNA-based research says that EVERYONE’S common ancestors were the members of a small, prehistoric BLACK family who lived in Central Africa.
This means that we are ALL related – not only to history’s illustrious figures– but also, to the all its “infamous” characters, such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung. Therefore we are ALL members all one huge, universal family.
I’m of Welsh origin and interested in the history of the Celtic tribes. I was surprised to learn that –according to reputable researce– my forebears were first documented as horse borne inhabitants of the Russian Steppes. But it seems they tired of the gelid Eastern European winters, mounted their old nags and began an epic peregrination which culminated in their arrival in the British Isles. Incidentally, all this occurred many centuries BEFORE the advent of the Viking and Anglo invaders.
Jim, in Madrid.
Millet & Tim
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are ALL descendants of naked savages. The Chinese were civilised thousands of years ago when our ancestors ran around in loin cloths. I do agree with JimHandley.
There is no such thing as a pure race - la pureza de la sangre.
A tribe of Cossacks adopted Judaism as its religion about 4 centuries ago. So many Jews today have oriental origins. I have seen Indian girls with blue eyes - miscegenation during the Raj. Etcetera .....
Social and cultural 'evolution' is the issue here.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0This happens maximally only when cultures/races meet/clash/interbreed.
So, South America's mix - which only started since the last post-glacial period - kicked in with its big intermixing only with the Spanish/Portuguese (colonising) incursions.
Thus, unless you are an archaeological anthropologist, the argument only assumes any sort of importance in the last few hundred years.
Slave implantation, colonial-indigenous-slave interbreeding, genocides involving native races and black (ex)slaves, group-selective disease eradications, cultural exterminations .......... all of these things are the realities of *modern* history.
Seen through the eyes of the dispassionate anthropologist, these are such exciting times.
Ozgood, Re:
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are ALL descendants of naked savages...
It’s refreshing to read your COGENT comments –a singular pleasure not often found on THESE pages! It’s interesting that you cite the Chinese –the most compelling evidence, indicates that ALL American Indian tribes emanate from East Asia, hence their facial features. There’s also a theory that suggests Taiwan’s original inhabitants were those who are now the Polynesians –they fled south, escaping an influx of Chinese into their homeland.
A current anthropologic polemic questions Chinese hereditary status. Some of its protagonists postulate that the “Han” are NOT of Homo Sapiens origin!
“Cossack Jews” (interesting) The Slavic content of Romania’s (Province of Rome) Latin-based tongue owes its presence to the arrival of a Russian tribe, in the 4th century A.D. and to lesser degree, the influence of the Orthodox Church.
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Re: So, South America's mix - which only started since the last post-glacial period...
See above and note that the last “post-glacial period” didn’t happen last week, but when Britain was still a peninsular appendage of mainland Europe!
We Britons are the product of a bellicose melding of different racial groups. At the culmination of the process, we became “Perfidious Albion” (twofaced Britain) ruling over a great part of the globe for so long. Not ALL we did was bad, of course! Perhaps we were more successful than contemporaneous Empires, ‘cos we learned summat fundamental –when faced with an adversary –Keep your mouth shut! Don’t advertise your intentions to your opponent. Merely show you stand staunch, and pray for a peaceful outcome of the dispute.
A WWII poster displayed in Germany read, “Der Feind hört mit” (The enemy is listening, too) So perhaps those few garrulous, semiliterate “Ultra Brits” should cease their abuse? It HELPS a manifestly Fascist regime by playing into its Machiavellian mits. AND, does great disservice to the Kelpers’ cause
Jim
Jim,
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0see you've been reading your Diamond.
Britain's leaders have not always been steadfast.
Before WWII and before TFI conflict there were alternative messages coming out of Parliament, Whitehall (and the Palace, WWII).
This is not perfidiousness, more the result of unreasonably different policy positions within the state.
Mixed messages gave ambiguous signals and wars happened.
Things to be avoided in future.
It seems your salient points are:
Be firm,
Keep your mouth shut,
Pray.
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Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: Britain's leaders have not always been steadfast......
Geoff, me ol’ darlin’,
I heartily concur with ALMOST everything you say so perhaps I didn’t express my views with sufficient clarity and/or you didn’t read them with the requisite care?
I didn’t mean to imply that our national CV is not one of exemplary, unblemished perfection. Rather, I said what I THINK is the most expedient reaction to certain, specific events –i.e.: Keep your trap shut when faced with a determined, Fascist adversary. Keep the bugger guessing and above all, NEVER let him know that his aggressive propaganda may undermine you’re own people’s morale –‘cos, judging by the reaction of the unrepresentative minority of ‘Ultra Brits’, who post here– it’s plain to see that he’s succeeding in his efforts.
And PLEASE do not remind me of the Falkland’s debacle! For our recent and present political masters are not only as miserably mediocre as the appeasing Mr Chamberlain, Lord Halifax and their cowardly cohorts of the 1930’s. But worse still –with very few exceptions– they’ve degenerated into a disgraceful mob of unmitigated moneygrubbers and celebrity seeking divas!
By the way, what the heck is DIAMOND?
Good luck Mate –keep your hat on straight!
Jim.
Jim
Apr 08th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jared Diamond - arguably the best anthropologist publishing accessible books on the rise and fall of civilisations and societies.
The best thing since Clarke's 'Civilisation' series,'69.
Be firm,
keep your mouth shut,
pray.
......... Just teasing.
G.
Thanks, Geoff.,
Apr 08th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: TO PRAY.
Far be it that I –one of such impeccable moral character– should demean my illustrious person by using the disculpatory device of a perfidious ‘politico’ But I feel you “took my statement my out of context” (How’s that for alliterative bullshit?, Mate!)
Seriously, this is a SMALL part of OED’s definition of the verb you find so amusing but which I intended to be taken for its TEMPORAL value rather than its spiritual worth –Shakespearean rather than ecclesiastic...
No offence Geoff. But I too enjoy an occasional bout of BENEVOLENT pisstaking. Unfortunately –as my sagacious old Spanish spouse so often reminds me– I have an ‘unfortunate’ sense of humour; often misinterpreted by others.
Cheers!
Jim.
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