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Americas Summit expected to release support-statement for Argentina’s Falklands claim
Thirty years after the Falklands/Malvinas war, Latin America seems to be closing ranks behind Argentina's sovereignty claim over the disputed islands and reviving a bid for control in the resource-rich South Atlantic. Read full article
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who has written it?
Surely not our resident blond, Ms. Lisa Watson.
The only reaon you think this is a good article is becuase it favours the RG cause! If was written in the same style but had shown RG neighbours to be against the RG cause then you would have said it was rubbish!!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawwwwwwwwn
Latin America has always been and, barring a miracle, always will be chaotic, confused, corrupt, and incompetent.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0That Brazil is the sixth leading economy is extremely misleading.
It is doing well for the same reason China is, foreign investment, ie; Europe and the USA.
Those places have simply outsourced and offshored their economies.
The transition to a global economy has been very heady for these two-penny “nations” who mostly still live in squalor and a kind of seedy, stale, unimaginative, and retrograde nationalism.
Once the smoke clears it will be obvious to all what is obvious to some now.
That the emerging markets are a bubble on a wave, the one about to burst while the other crashes.
They simply do not have what it takes to manage a world as complex as what we have today.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone does really. But South America?
Please.
It will crash and burn much sooner that you think.
“We are predominantly European immigrants living on stolen land and don't see the irony of accusing the UK of colonialism, the difference is that we are independent of our former countries, so in honesty if the Falklands declared independence we wouldn't really now what to do as it would be pot/kettle/black time but until then we're going to continue being hypocrites”.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Foreign Minister Ms Holguin from Colombia, said 'we produce 98% of the world's cocaine, projecting the destruction of family lives to places from China to Canada, so we don't technically have the moral authority to even tell a dog to stop barking'”
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we all lived by this article we'd be delivering unto a poverty stricken corrupt hell-holes what is are prosperous mainly independent well-managed territories. That is a crime against humanity, a crime against ethics and a crime against morality.
It's really simple, GY, all they have to do is as the islanders said: all 16 of these so-called colonies should have a UN sponsored vote, completely monitored, and if they choose independence then so be it, if they choose to maintain their current situation, that should be respected also, and then everyone can shut the heck up about it all.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34740&Cr&Cr1&fb_source=message the UN says ALL 16 remaing OT should have freedom of choice...End of
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0...so first the UN says it's up the islanders to choose, then they say Argentina and the UK are encouraged to discuss it, so how is that giving the islanders a choice? Do they actually know what they're doing?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - you prefer words, i prefer actions. You prefer declarations, i prefer cargo flights.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you have such low standards?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone does really. But South America?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please.
So far they are managing much better than uk.uk can not manage even his own country.3 millions unemployed,1 trillion public debt,9trillion foreign debt....uk is FINISHED,hardly uk can manage anything
@3, Except that for the past few years, millions of Brazilians have penetrated into the middle class whereas millions of europeans are slipping into poverty. How is that “misleading”?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The rest of your statement is just pure stipulation bordering nonsense.
Islenders: There has never been a better time to join Argentina and the south american cause.
Malvinero - apart from our assets outweigh our debt. How much money are your gvt allowing you to exchange now? What is your inflation rate?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tron - Why would the Islanders want to join a nation that is about to implode on itself? Btw - we are British, not European!
@10 Malvinero1
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
Do us a favour. Even today the British Pound is one of the world's few safe haven currencies - and far from getting weaker, it is getting stronger and stronger. Shall we compare that to Argentina's Pisspot (or whatever it is you call that joke of a currency)? What is it now? 0.23 to the US$ ... from parity little more than a decade ago at the start of the Kirchner 'miracle'?
You see, unlike Argentina; the world knows that the UK will repay any debts .. and unlike Argentina, the UK has a proven history of always repaying its debts.
Argentina just steals.
Malvinistas, tell me all about your wonderful peso: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_exchange_rates_of_Argentine_currency
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another re-statement of old news. They can talk as much as they like, but they know that the UK has no desire or ability to take anything from the countries of South America, whereas those countries may talk a big number but actually very little translates into real action.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0We should remind them that Argentinas claims are based on lies and distortion, then remind them that once one country is seens to pressurise another succefully over territory, then everyone will be at it - and tere are lots of potential disputes in South America.............
@7,8 Yes, the UN seems to have an issue with saying no consistent line. The UN is massively inconsistent in the following ways:
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 01)It claims to 'decolonise' only British and American aligned territories, whilst ignoring Spanish, French, Dutch, Russian, South Korean aligned territories.
2) The decolonisation committee seems only to want to discuss recolonising aligned territories under malign kakistocracies that want lebensraum.
3) The UN seems incapable of getting any of these aligned territories off its list, even when they're self-governing.
4) Malign kakistocracies such as Argentina that have no belief in self-determination, don't abide by UN rulings, don't abide by the ICJ/ICA, seem to have not only gained membership but also detract the UN into discussing recolonisation.
5) The UN C24 releases draft resolutions that rather than abiding by the charter of the UN, undermine the UN by suggesting negotiations should occur over the head of aligned territories in order to transfer sovereignty, rather than to the peoples of the aligned territories, but to a malign kakistocracy.
In essence, the UN is clearly losing the plot in bending over backwards to fulfil the malevolent demands of these poverty-ridden corrupt nations.
We should all remember the fundamental fact that the UK fulfilled its UN obligations by negotiating with Argentina, but it was KFC's husband who unilaterally decided to end negotiations and walked out. I cannot stress this enough.
In answer to your question, 'no, they do not know what they are doing'. Captain Ban Ki-moon appears to be swigging wine from the barrel while the ship sails into the storm.
@13 In another victory for legality and morality...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20FCO%2020120330030.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR
I was particularly taken with footnote 4: We assume familiarity with the facts and procedural history of the various recent disputes over the attachment of bank funds held by the Republic of Argentina...and the special place of the Republic in the history of the law and diplomacy of default....
@17 Yankee has been discussing this, and now that the BCRA is a part of the government we're all just waiting until the central bank is suitably 'attached' and they go have access to the central bank's reserves. Shouldn't be too long now.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Indeed, I was just day-dreaming that the Summit of the Americas releases a statement praising Argentina for its historic contribution to default and spurs it on to do even more.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 I would discount the likelihood. These country's seem to reward one another for being more despotic and chavezistic than the others. Internal poverty seems to be something else they congratulate each other about, and the ability to get extra land from losing wars.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm surprised anyone takes them seriously.
Only the fools can believe these kidding kinds of media articles like this.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Colombia ?...whether supports Argentine claims at South Atlantic..and also supports British Oil drilling in its own conutry(Colombia)...
Dogs even laughing them...while shaking tails........
It was said on an article published on here a week or two ago that this summit will not be saying anything that hasnt been said before and anyway the Canadians and the US wont let them. Indeed as a part of the Commonwealth and with the Queen as their Head Of State there would be no way that the Canadians could say anything anyway. It'll be more hot air and I'm not sure why this article isnt stating that.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0there really is a solution to this issue and the Islanders need to be considering it for their own well being. As that article says:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34740&Cr&Cr1&fb_source=message
there should now be a free vote on the issue of the FI, overseen by the UN. That would satisfy UN demands, if and when it produced a result that said 90% wish to remain with the UK or voted for independence what could anyone else say? If the FI then asked the UK to continue to provide their security what could anyone say?
If the FI were an independent nation then they could ask who they wanted to provide for their security. Belize did and the UK provided for their security. No one said anything about that.
If the UN are serious in that link above then absolutely nobody could say anything once this vote was held. not the Rg's not anyone or they would be defying the UN and would therefore have no moral or international credibility.
Its time for a fair vote on the subject and leaving it up to the Islanders to decide what to do.
I'm a reasonable person, I've admitted the UK has been in the wrong on previous occasions. Invading Iraq on a dodgy pretext for example. I've looked at the history of the Falkland Islands and the history of Argentina. I've read the propaganda and history from both sides of the argument. Britain's and the Falkland Islanders cases are very strong, and the Argentine case is extremely weak. Argentina knows this, so won't take it to the ICJ to finally resolve.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only explanation that explains the (albeit tenuous and fickle) regional backing of Argentina by its cheerleaders in South America, and their 'support' in the form of a cheap and convenient show of 'solidarity' is their mutual dislike of their perceived nemesis, the hated and powerful 'gringo'.
All that will happen is that Arg will accept a very very weak watery statement from the Summit that in effect will say nothing of any substance.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can ANYArg on Mercopress name me ONE UN formal and binding resolution on the Falklands that has ignored or broken?
Can any Arg on Percopress also come on here and clearly state that any Arg President could agree to a solution to the dispute that did NOT include full Argentine Sovereignty over the Islands? Their Constutution demands it!
“Today, Latin American countries depend more on each other and are less dependent on Europe and the United States and have China as the main trade partner for the many metals, grains and oilseeds from the region.”
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder to what extent China have made the suggestion that their SA trading partners unite against Las Piratas. As sympathy for the Argentine claim increases it is easy to imagine how China will seek to cite it as a precedent for the fulfilment of its own designs on Taiwan.
@25
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/26/china-and-argentina-ratify-crossed-support-for-taiwan-and-falklands-claims
They already have an agreement. The US will surely know this.
@25 Taiwan is a little different. China is basically still in the middle of a stalled civil war with the fascists in Taiwan and the Communists in China. Like most asian countries Taiwan and China both rely heavily on corruption to get things done, like in Argentina. The Taiwanese, like the falklanders, love democracy. Argentina and China don't love democracy and are authoritarian.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Taiwan only really showed up on Chinese maps in the relatively recent history, as did Manchuria. It was only when the ROC fled there and genocided the local inhabitants that it became technically a part of China.
The basic issue is that most Taiwanese admit they're essentially chinese people on a different island, with similar customs and some shared beliefs. Falkland islanders are in no way Argentinian and don't have any shared beliefs.
If you take away the sovereignty claims, and nationality issues, they're not very similar at all.
Because of veiled expansionism China will always want Taiwan though, bits of India and most of the Islands in the South China sea, just like Argentina wants the entire South Atlantic and Antarctic.
None of this will have any impact on the Falklands situation.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone at the UN has been told what the situation is and they really need to heed it. there is no one bar the RG's prepared to go to war over this and therefore as we virtually invented modern day diplomacy any diplomatic pressure will be swatted away.
The situation remains the same although things will really come to the boil if and when oil starts to flow (remembering that as yet there is no firm proof one way or the other that there is commercially extractable oil in and around the FI).
Lets remember that if push came to shove and the RG's decide to attack militarily this would be a totally different war with the RG mainland hit and the UK already defending the islands with top class armed forces and equipment.
Does anyone care what these losers say about supporting Argentina.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0We would all be amazed if that were not the case.
@29
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. Its just irritating.
Americas Summit expected to release support-statement for Argentina’s Falklands claim.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0So? Like anything South Americans say is important! Look at Twinky @1. “an informative, trustworthy article from MercoPress”, he says. In other words, the argie party line. Anybody notice that Chile doesn't seem too keen. Isn't Uruguay setting up cargo flights? Doesn't actually sound too solid.
It will be interesting to see if the Continental resolution is that:
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it supports Argentinas right to claim TFI and the Scotia Sea Antarctic archipelago”
or
“it accepts that Argentina owns TFI and the Scotia Sea Antarctic archipelago”.
@32 GeoffWard2
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but it has zero chance of doing either.
Support except from Cuba, who isn't going...and Ecuador, who also isn't going... or any countries that remain neutral or in support of the UK position... but apart from that, full support!!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... such full support that all, apart from Argentina and Venezuela, are bending over backwards to develop better relations with the UK. If only Argentina could claim that all South American countries were as keen on better relations with Argentina :)
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Summit of Americas meeting, 14-15 April in Cartagena. Why not email to the OAS members (http://www.oas.org/en/member_states/default.asp) and to the OAS permanent observers (http://www.oas.org/en/member_states/default.asp) with message that might include quotes below and any other bits you want to add:
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain remains staunchly committed to upholding the right of the Falkland Islanders, and of the Falkland Islanders alone, to determine their own future. That was the fundamental principle that was at stake 30 years ago: and that is the principle which we solemnly re-affirm today.” DC
@27 - He isn't wrong though. China's support of Argentina is 100% due to their desire for the annexation of Taiwan, the last stronghold of Chinese democracy and freedom (and another country Mr. Obama has managed to stab in the back). Although the situations are different and unrelated, both the Taiwanese, and the Falkland Islanders do not want to be governed by authoritarians, (and both never will, hopefully). Both also have these aggressors very close by, and have had their very existence forcibly denied. Both China and Argentina need to understand that unless they actually control the land, it's probably not theirs. The communists didn't chase Chiang Kaishek to the island, therefore, tough luck!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Syria has taught us anything, its that the UN is a useless organization with no power whatsoever, seeing as its members range from dictators to elected officials. How the hell is China on the human rights council? The South American leaders have the combined bargaining power of Fiji, and the decolonization committee is a joke. Where are they on Tibet's independence? The islands remain a British possession, and Argentina continues to cry.
@37 I didn't say he was wrong, I said the situation was different. Having lots of rich people in taiwan staring down their noses at lots of poor people in China is directly comparable to having lots of rich people in the Falklands staring down the noses of poor people in Argentina.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Taiwan is hardly a stronghold of freedom, whilst under the projected sphere of influence of the USA in Asia it's been under a military dictatorship, fascist rule, authoritarian dictatorship and like South Korea, it's only really just got democracy.
Chinese communism is a bit like Peronism, insofar as people associate it with a national cause, and a part of the patriotic mentality. The issue with Taiwan is that China has always said that the Chinese don't want western style democracy because it wouldn't work for chinese, they want democracy with chinese characteristics, which would essentially be the a communist party controlled authoritarian dictatorship with a thin veil of democracy. Taiwan clearly shows Chinese can enjoy democracy, and this sort of ruins the messaging of the Communists.
You're not wrong about the UN being powerless. Even worse, it's ambiguous. It creates messages about self-determination being the most important thing, and then it lets badly ruled hell-holes like Argentina kick this principle into the long grass.
China's support for Argentina is (and will remain) very muted and half-hearted, because anything they say on the matter is immediately undermined by their own crass hypocrisy over Tibet and the brutal suppression of any form of opposition to the occupation.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As ever though, many Argentine propagandists equate a support for the principle of Argentine rule as a support for everything else Argentina does and says on the matter .. and nothing could be further from the truth.
@39 I'm sure China doesn't want to have yet another of it's BFF North Korea hanging around its ankles.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sort of surprised that the Argentine retards haven't yet gotten around to making a sovereignty claim for Norway's Bouvet Island in the South Atlantic. Maybe that is next.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 ... and Tristan de Cunha or St Helena. They already claimed that the South Atlantic region is Argentinian, so I'm surprised they've not had a crack at those yet.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1850 the UK and Argentinian governments ratified a convention for the settlement of existing differences, thereby acknowledging there was no territorial dispute between the two countries.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no dispute. Just hysteria by CFK and her cronie to distract ordinary Argentinians away from the disasterous economic and political policies of the regime.
The only sensible answer is regime change.
@43 Brit Bob
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't even honour treaties that it signed 10 years ago, so do you seriously think that the stupid dipshits will even admit the existence of a treaty they signed 122 years ago?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eh1B4a-RMA
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not watch some propaganda aimed at kids on this issue!
Island where you stand? You're not English! You are not European! Not a Latino! Nobody likes you, your rock is the Palestine of South America!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 An Argentine told me just last week (I was in Buenos Aires) that the British tricked them into signing the 1850 treaty because 'Britain was an old country with history and we were a new country'. Apparently we then stole all the documents proving Argentina owns the Falklands. I pressed for some evidence or a reliable source but, obviously, none could be provided. This is the kind of nonsense they are fed from birth.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 That's a good find. I'm glad they start them young.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 The 1850 Treaty of Friendship was stolen? Was it stolen by the cartoon characters in Pollo's children's propaganda?
@48. You know, some times is is hard not to laugh when I hear the indoctrinated nonsense spouted by some Argentines. But the truth is it is sad that they are so lied to.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During another conversation over dinner with three intelligent Argentines the state of their economy became the topic of discussion. They were more concerned with the raging inflation and as one put it, “This city looks OK on the surface but most people here are really struggling financially”. As the conversation progressed they were astonished that I knew so much about their economy, the causes of the last crash and the current difficulties CFKC has created. One enquired how I knew so much about the default. I explained that there have been many books written about it because it was the largest default by any country in history. They had no idea that they were the trophy holders. During the discussion it became apparent that the last crisis to them was a very personal tragedy and something they tried hard to put behind them.
It is when you sit breaking bread with very entertaining, warm and engaging Argentines that you fully appreciate the human consequences of that mad woman, obsessed with power and her own personal wealth, wrecking a country.
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should not call us as indoctrinated...............
at least we know the meaning of “” Doctrine of Lapse “”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_lapse
@49 The difference between you and they is that you can feel the human emotion of pity. If you ask them about the torments of the Falkland Islanders they will experience no feelings at all.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be grateful for your humanity.
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but she is rolist ..talking about Buenos Aires/Argentina never see before.....
@51 I understand what you are saying and my loyalty will always be with the Falkland Islanders. It is true that there seems to be an egocentric streak running through many Argentines to the extent that it never occurs to them to consider the FI's situation. It is a very me, me, me society. (In my experience)
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interestingly, Argentines that have spent time away from the country are far more aware and have open minds. They find it harder to fit back into the Argentine way of thinking - that the world revolves around them and God loves them the best - because they have seen another perspective. They are often embarrassed by the war and the mawkish obsession of CFKC.
Yup, I do feel pity for the brainwashed. It is like talking to someone that believes in conspiracy theories; they seem perfectly normal until they start rambling about stolen documents and mythical islands and being abducted by aliens. : )
How many of the S American countries invited to Ushuaia sent ambassadors, never mind presidents.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world is moving on.
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is the very famous “” Gardolla Tavern “” in Buenos Aires..?
“” Gardolla“” is the nickname of it !
“” Gardolla “” is a jargon word used only in Argentina...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...not known at Cervantes Institute teaching.........
@53 Argentinians are very much like Iranians and North Koreans with that regard. They are consumed by a shared delusion, that is difficult to retain once you're disconnected from the hive. This also exists in America to some extent with socio-ethnic groups convincing themselves that they are still a part of some collective national group that is not supported by any politico-legal entity at all. In response they end up entrenched within this group, refusing to interact with anyone outside the grouping.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you look at Asian americans for example, they typically refer to the 'bamboo ceiling' which is a hypothetical construct similar to a glass ceiling and something they believe is imposed on them and limits their career progression.
The reality is that they refuse to participate in the core cultural organism and instead choose to be a part of some non-existant socio-national group that is based around their own ethnicity. They create the bamboo ceiling by not becoming a part of the core society, and instead turn to victimisation.
Argentinians do the same thing, turn to victimization, based on a shared delusion. They then create huge numbers of 'objects' that they rely on for blame, for example 'the evil empire'. They're basically going nowhere fast.
poor Mercopress forums bulbul bird .....
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Mercopress forums: Incomprehensible MurkyThink brain spasm gibberish
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0System crash, Brain dump
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0support what?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......... game... is ...over......... !!!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a peaceful country you are a bloody disgrace .
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may cry and you may get all of South America to supports you,
Perhaps would wet your bloody pants if the Americans and Russian and even china sided with you and said we back Argentina,
And guess what silly indocronoughts
the British will still rule the Falklands,
Have you no brains between your earols, or just pigeon shit,
No democracy can or will be handed over to a dictatorship with at the very bloody minimum another bloody conflict, and maximum WW3
Are you totally brain dead, it will never happen?
It would cost this world and the next to much.
You so bloody clever,,you work it out,
And think carefully .
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is your own problem to savvy of different cultures standing at the
front of different countries.......................
in UK you all have just --1-- king (or queen).....
Argentina have more than -- 30 -- millons kings.....
That's difference............Different cultures............!
30 million opinions,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one ruler, [not 12 inches]
you may well be correct,
the safest bet, is for the argentine people to replace this deluded lady,
and make friends with the islanders,
then even millions can sleep easy,
we hope ?
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Utopia....
You are letting the politicians to be unemployed....!
@66 You're not correct, the thin veil of democracy in your country is defiled by the sale of votes, orchestrated through your club, le camping, and sponsored by maximo's hotels.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a kakistocracy, it's ruled by the worst people in your society, who inevitably plunder the exchequer and turn your country into a hell-hole before going into exile.
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You always write automatic comments designed before not reading other comments..
In ( 66) ...I didn't talk about /defend Argentina politics....
@68 I think you'll find i read the comment and responded concerning your comment about Argentina having 30'000'000 kings.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has one king, Maximo... the king of hotels. So where does he get his money for his new hotels?
47 A very very intelligent british (and it was not Morrisey or Waters) told me last week in autonoumous city of BA, while they were touring in Florida, buying bags and obeliscos souvenirs, that the Malvinas, pronounced very correctly, were argentnian, whithout doubt, and that the real concerning they have at that moment was about desenployment in UK. Later I meet another couple in a restaurant, also seemed to me very very intelligent and cool people, british, because of their accent, that told me exactly the same. I mean its very significative and according to my estadistics, very very relevant. I will continue counting these cases.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@70 You keep counting, you've already got three data points so I'd suggest that you're not going to be able to determine any statistical trends with such a tiny population. I'd also suggest that you have a huge amount of selection bias, because these people are actually talking to you.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@70 The sort of people touring Florida and BA probably don't have a problem with unemployment themselves. They just hear other people talking about it at dinner parties. It usually comes up after the discussion about falling house prices and whether or not now is the time to sell the weekend cottage in Devon.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few decades ago the extent of international territorial waters was agreed to be 12 miles from the coast of any given country. That was extended to 200 miles. Except it seems in the case of Argentina, whose claims of 'proximity' extend a further 100 miles, all the way to the Falkland Islands and beyond.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine claims go further still, thousands of miles out into the middle of the Atlantic, and south, across what are generally accepted by everybody else as international waters into the Antarctic continent to the South Pole.
The funny part is that, if you look at a map showing Argentina's ludicrous usual 'proximity' justification, they've created a giant wedge, which conveniently omits Brazil and Chile's obvious entitlement (by Argentine geometry based logic) to their slice of the Argentine pie. More than 50% of this alleged ownership of Antarctica is based on Argentina's illegal claim to the, already inhabited and settled, Falkland Islands and territories. One of the funniest things, if you study the map, is the shape of the “Mar Argentino”, actually the Atlantic, which extends the usual 200 miles from the continent's coast, but then, very conveniently, juts out a further 100 miles into the South Atlantic to capture the Falkland Islands. I can just imagine the gang of drooling megalomanic muppets who sat around a table, with no idea of scale, or much else, drawing big lines on their silly maps. I can equally imagine today, a child in Argentina looking at these maps and thinking, 'I may be poor and hungry, living in squalor, but see how big and important my country is'. The consequence of giving a gang of ill-educated macho inadequates a pen and a map.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Mapa_argentina_bicontinental.png
I see your reasoning, Alexei, but if you were to accept
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that TFI 'belong' to Argentina, then the maritime claims fall into place
.... even their claim extension across the Southern ocean, if you accept their additional claim for the Scotia Sea archpelago and their sector claim on Antarctica itself.
Imagine how the world's resources would be presently partitioned if the world of the 1950s was still coloured pink on the maps with a 200 mile EEZ accruing to the pink!
All the minerals .... all the offshore oil ... all the farmed products.
Time moves on and the new realities encompass neither the pink, nor the ambitious territorial extensions of the sky blue and white.
@74 GeoffWard2 I agree, but Britain isn't claiming somebody else's inhabited land on grounds of proximity, not even Scotland :)
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sod off. I would rather join: Keep Wales British. If it's all the same to you.
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Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over the years -
Wales?
Scotland?
Northern Ireland?
Shetlands?
Orkneys?
Scillies?
All seem to be underpinned by the proximity argument.
Historically, this also applied - in both directions at various times - to France, Ireland, the Low Countries, the Channel Isles, etc.
Proximity is just one piece on the chessboard of world affairs.
It doesn't even play off the backrow; it is more of a pawn-like gambit.
That's why CFK plays a weak game, concentrating as she does, on her pawn-proximity-gambit.
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